1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody. 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 3: Welcome to Move the Sticks DJ here and excited for 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 3: you guys to hear this episode we have here. It's 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 3: going to be a little bit of a best of 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 3: here as we look back at some great conversations we've 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 3: been able to have. One of the things that Bucky 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 3: and I love about this podcast is the opportunity to 9 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 3: talk with some guys really interested in terms of their viewpoint, 10 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,159 Speaker 3: their philosophy, their stories, their history. And we've had some 11 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 3: great ones over the years. We've been doing this over 12 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 3: a decade actually, but I wanted to pay play three 13 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 3: of them for you. Here three of our favorites from 14 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 3: this year with Andrew Luck, who is a general manager 15 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 3: at Stanford as he's taken over his Alma Maters football program. 16 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 3: Tom to LESCo has been a general manager of the 17 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 3: National Football League for over a decade with the Chargers 18 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 3: and the Raiders, as well as a ton of experience 19 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 3: with the cults around Peyton Manning in those years. Just 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 3: one of the really really bright guys. I've always enjoyed 21 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 3: listening to Tom and and count them as a true 22 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 3: friend and then another friend and Luke Keickley, one of 23 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 3: the greatest linebackers of all time, is someone that we've 24 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 3: had a chance to visit with over the years and 25 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 3: always just this fascinating guy, really really football intelligent, just 26 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 3: intelligent period. So I want to play those conversations for 27 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 3: a little best of here our conversations with Andrew Luck, 28 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 3: Tom Felesco and Luke Keigley. All right, buck excited to 29 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 3: have with us a player we both scouted back in 30 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 3: our NFL days and someone who has had an incredible 31 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 3: journey and is now the general manager for the Stanford Cardinal. 32 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 2: Andrew Luck joined us. Andrew, how you doing, man. 33 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 4: I'm doing really well. To be clear, this is not 34 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 4: my jersey behind me. It's John Brody. I've get dogged on. 35 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 5: No, no, no, I. 36 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 4: Have my plunk at jersey next to it. I tried 37 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 4: to that the wire was wrong and I was like, da, 38 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 4: I gave up. So I put John Brody back up. 39 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 6: Because you went in to approprimate that was one and 40 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 6: eleven before you got that. You've seen it go from 41 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 6: the bottom to where they had the pinnacle of Stanford football. 42 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 6: How do you take what you learned as a player, 43 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 6: you replicate that as a gentleman. 44 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 4: There are some timeless principles in our sport, right, and 45 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 4: there's probably some timeless principles organizationally across industries. And like 46 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 4: the world has changed. We are paying players and we're 47 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 4: excited about it. 48 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: Right. 49 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 4: The transfer portal is different than when I was in school. 50 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 4: One Coach Harbaugh's having a leader of the program and 51 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 4: had deep, deep conviction that we were going to win, 52 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 4: and what might be perceived as challenges, we're not going 53 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 4: to be excuses, right at all. 54 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: Right, Coach Harba said, well, shoot, if we can. 55 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 4: Only recruit forty or fifty guys a year because of 56 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 4: the academic threshold, let's go find the best forty or 57 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 4: fifty and make sure our yield is higher than everybody else. 58 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 2: Right in high school. Creit good. 59 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 4: That's profoundly affecting how I do this too. Let's build 60 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 4: a foundation of like hard work, respecting each other, holding 61 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 4: really really really high standards because we have high expectations. 62 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 4: We have very high expectations, and those have to be 63 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 4: rooted in very high standards and really high care. Right, 64 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 4: And so are those coaching staffs. Coach Arball, Coach Shaw afterwards. 65 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 4: They did it authentically. Coach Harball was authentically himself. Coach 66 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 4: Shaw was authentically himself. I learned to be the best quarterback. 67 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: I could be. 68 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 4: I had to be me right, including walking into a 69 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 4: locker room where Peyton Manning had been the previous quarterback. 70 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 4: Is if I if I was trying to be Peyton 71 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 4: a version you know, Andrew's version of Peyton, that it 72 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 4: would fail quickly, right, fail quickly, And I was It 73 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 4: was given license by Dwight Freeney on day one walking 74 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 4: in that locker room said Andrew, you need to be 75 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 4: the best you you can be. No one else this 76 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 4: team just needs you. That that meant a whole lot 77 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 4: as a young rookie quarterback coming into you know, into 78 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 4: that space, so you know, one, bringing all of me 79 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 4: as a leader to this thing. Uh two, Going and 80 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 4: finding the unicorns around the country at high school that 81 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 4: that have the grades and and ball out right, that 82 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 4: are willing to put the work in and willing to 83 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 4: learn and play great football. Building a culture of brotherhood 84 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 4: where our young men are playing for each other and 85 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 4: you and you mentioned it too, Frank. Frank has done 86 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 4: an unbelievable job this year. He saved my bacon man 87 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 4: coming in for eight months and doing this thing and 88 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 4: the progress that our team has made is unbelievable. 89 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: I'm proud of him. I'm proud of our staff. 90 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 4: I get proud watching these guys every Saturday go out 91 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 4: and lay it on the line. 92 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: And it's a wonderful thing to be a part of. 93 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 3: You touched on two things I wanted to get some 94 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 3: further thought on because you talked about the foundation and 95 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 3: build out foundation. I think of your studies and your 96 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 3: background in design, architectural design, like how that plays into 97 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 3: it and what does this foundation need to be to 98 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 3: go forward? And the second thing is we've talked a 99 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 3: lot and just talking to our buddies and GM roles 100 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 3: in all different sports. The phrase that we've heard more 101 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 3: than any other the last twenty four months has been 102 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 3: care factor. We can talk about it's easy, the scouting, 103 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 3: the talent, really, it is what it is. But trying 104 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 3: to find guys with a very high care factor is 105 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 3: the challenge. How do you go about doing that when 106 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 3: you're visiting with seventeen eighteen year old kids? 107 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 4: Oh man, it is That's what a great question. It 108 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 4: is the question think I think of care factor at 109 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 4: two different levels, like one at the individual, do I like, 110 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 4: do I love football? 111 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 2: Do I? And do I love learning? 112 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 4: Right? 113 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: Because that do I? 114 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 4: And have I seen enough evidence that I can get 115 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 4: better at football? 116 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: Right? Like? 117 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 4: You want kids who are just obsessed about getting better 118 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 4: at football because it's that gets to become an addictive feeling. 119 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 4: And that's a virtuous fly cycle, right, Like like a flywheel, 120 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, better, better, better, better. Frank Reich has 121 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 4: done that for our guys. They've gotten better that coaching 122 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 4: our staff like in combect and then also for our staff, right, 123 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 4: are we getting better? Am I getting better? 124 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: In this job? Is there? 125 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 4: Is there a level of intrinsic motivation often tied with 126 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 4: love of something? 127 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: Right? 128 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 4: Hard to want to get better at something if you 129 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 4: if you just sort of like it a little bit, 130 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 4: or or like really don't like it. But sussing that out, 131 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 4: I'm not sure I have a formula yet, you know 132 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 4: some of it. Some of it I think is gut 133 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 4: instinct and feel right. Maybe that's the art of recruiting 134 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 4: or personnel. I think someone it's the right line of 135 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 4: questioning and and and oftentimes it's you gotta find character references. 136 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 2: Right. You gotta find people who who who. 137 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 4: Will spill some story that has some nugget of truth 138 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 4: and put enough of those nuggets of truth together to 139 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,239 Speaker 4: find a picture, and then you take a leap of faith. 140 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: Right. 141 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 4: But I also I also believe a care factor of 142 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 4: how are we as a program taking care of our 143 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 4: people right and giving everyone the best chance to have 144 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 4: their care fractor grow as they as there. It's not 145 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 4: a static thing, right, is not a static right? Like 146 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 4: we have to be a place that you know, I 147 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 4: mentioned high expectations and standards and high care. Like high 148 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 4: standards and high care. That's the right combination. It gets 149 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 4: old if there's really high standards and low care. 150 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 2: Right. It also gets old it's kid gloves if it's 151 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: real high care and low standards. Right. 152 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 4: And there's a there's a quote from one of my mentors, 153 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 4: Admiral Sandy Winfel, an amazing man. He's got a great 154 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 4: book on leadership called Sailing Up. When he was I'm 155 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 4: going to say the words rang a chief of staff 156 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 4: for Cole and Pale at some point and Colon turned 157 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 4: him in a car. He tells this great story. We 158 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 4: turned him in a car and said sandy morale has 159 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 4: never been improved by lowering standards. 160 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 2: Right. 161 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 4: Used to be like, so, how do we have a 162 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 4: system of high care and high standards and find the 163 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 4: people that will thrive in that system. And look, I'm 164 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 4: like nine months in this job. I like the data 165 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 4: is not there, but like we got I should say, 166 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 4: the big, big, big data. I know we're on the 167 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 4: right path. I have a conviction that this is the 168 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 4: right path. But it's there's a there's faith in this 169 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 4: right you know. I'd love to be sitting here five 170 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 4: years from I was saying, yeah, we just won for 171 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 4: national team. But that's that's That's how I'm approaching both 172 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 4: the the like sussing out care factor and and you 173 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 4: gotta hold up, you're into the bargain too. You got 174 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 4: to help young men tend that care factor and grow it. 175 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 3: I was thinking back to the first time I went 176 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 3: on campus at Stanford and where we used to park 177 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 3: at Scouts. We'd have to walk across them. I remember 178 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 3: the first time Buck, we've talked about this. I remember 179 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 3: parking the first time, and it was a fall day. 180 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 3: It wasn't an early visit. It was a little bit 181 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 3: later in the fall and I remember walking across and 182 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 3: I swear I thought it was I was on a 183 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 3: sound stage or something, because the leaves just kind of 184 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 3: started falling. I looked to my left and there's the 185 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 3: women's soccer team practicing. I'm sure there's probably six Olympians there. 186 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 3: Then I heard the ping of the of the baseball bat, 187 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 3: and I'm sure there's probably a couple first round picks 188 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: on that field as they were kicking some VP walk 189 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 3: by the pool where there's a high diver, and I'm 190 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 3: sure I don't know which country, but there's an Olympian 191 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 3: that's just jumping off the high dive, and then I 192 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 3: walked in the building. I remember after that day, Andrew 193 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 3: I called my parents and I said, if you would 194 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 3: have taken me to Stanford in eighth grade, I would 195 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 3: have got better grades in high school. I didn't know 196 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 3: a place like this existed. So how important is it 197 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 3: for you when you're recruiting these guys to get them 198 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 3: on campus and not just taking your word for it, 199 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:47,719 Speaker 3: but come experience it. 200 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 4: Oh it's huge. I mean I don't mean this in 201 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 4: a snobby or snody way, but it's a special place. 202 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 4: As you laid out and like I'll finish your story. 203 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 4: And then you walked into a football building and there's 204 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 4: David Dicastro and Kobe in myself Zach Ertz who is 205 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 4: like down the fountain of youth and just an like 206 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 4: stillballing at a level that you know, these tight ends 207 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 4: playing forever is unbelievable, man. And yeah, we think it's 208 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 4: a special place. You know, I met my wife here. 209 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 4: She was a gymnast right represent the Czech Republic. We 210 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 4: all live in a dorm freshman year with a random roommate. Like, 211 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 4: that's where else do you get that in life? 212 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: Right? 213 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 4: And we need kids to embrace that. It's I'm still 214 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 4: friends with my dormmate Dennis Carmen and are from Turkey's 215 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 4: an amazing dude who lives in the Bay Area, right, Like, 216 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 4: it's an amazing place. And you mentioned the sports. You're 217 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 4: also going by a you know, an academic building where 218 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 4: we're we're unbelievable breakthroughs in whatever mission it is are happening. 219 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 4: It's it's it's a place that rewards the pursuit of excellent, 220 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 4: not just attaining excellence, but the pursuit you know, so 221 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 4: getting getting young men in their families on campus is 222 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 4: core to our recruiting strategy because we think it sells itself. 223 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 4: And then my job really is to make sure that 224 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 4: the football is serious, right, like serious, like what I 225 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 4: like aspects of what I had old school principles, some 226 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 4: new school methods, you know, but there are some timeless 227 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 4: truth But because I came to Stanford, you know, I'm 228 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 4: in too. Maybe more succinctly answer the first question. I 229 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,079 Speaker 4: came to Stanford because it was serious about football and 230 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 4: it was a place where I did not want to 231 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 4: take myself too seriously. But our guys are embracing the 232 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 4: seriousness of football. My year, I think we had we 233 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 4: had neca Ogl Mike go first overall in the WNBA. Amazing, 234 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 4: you know, it's this amazing hoopster from Houston as well. 235 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 4: I went first overall in the NFL draft. Mark a 236 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 4: Pell was either drafted as a pitcher, drafted like first 237 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 4: or top five. It was like, like, I go to 238 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 4: the Olympics. My wife's a producer for gymnastics on NBC. 239 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 4: I went to the Paris Olympics. 240 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 2: What a treat. 241 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 4: Like, there's fifty nine Stanford affiliated athletes. My classmates, you know, 242 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 4: Catarina Stephanidie pole vault or grease gold medalist at Real. 243 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 4: We were in the training room together, like that's awesome. 244 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 4: Watched Eric Shoji when a bron met bronze medal, and 245 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 4: volleyball who was freshman door mats with my teammates, like 246 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 4: we're boys. We partied together. You know, It's an amazing 247 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 4: group to be a part of. And I love that 248 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 4: our football team is part of a broader fabric and 249 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 4: culture of let's go figure out how to be excellent. 250 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 3: Philip Rivers, nobody knows him as well as you do, Tom, 251 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 3: all the years you spent together with the Chargers watching 252 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 3: him play. I've tried to caution people that have just 253 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 3: laughed this whole thing off, versus saying, hey, I know. 254 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 3: I think it was like they're two touchdown underdogs at Seattle. 255 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 3: I know Seattle's defense and whether or not I'm like, look, 256 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 3: the second week is another thing, and see how his 257 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 3: body can recover. 258 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: But maybe I'm in the minority. 259 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 3: I'm like, for one week, I think Philip Rivers might 260 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 3: be able to screen his. 261 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 2: Way to a close game up there in Seattle. 262 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: Tell you what I was with Philip for seven years. 263 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: Shane Stikeen for eight I should have known better that's 264 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: gonna happen. I mean, I was doing a live radio 265 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: interview Monday morning before any of this broke. I was 266 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: on with with Doug Gottlieb and Fox Sports Radio and 267 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: we're talking about Daniel Jones's injury and he asked me, 268 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: He's like, hey, do you think the Colts would reach 269 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: out to Philip Rivers? And I gave him one of 270 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: these I'm like, he's been not a football for five years. 271 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: That's not gonna have So that I talked about Riley 272 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: Leonard for a while. 273 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: I thought Rolly Leonard played played really well last week, 274 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: So talk about Riley Leonard. And then I think a 275 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: couple hours later it kind of comes out that Philip 276 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: was going to work out for the Colts, and I'm like, oh, 277 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be the expert. 278 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 2: Analyst and I had no idea. 279 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what, from a fan standpoint, is fascinating. 280 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: When I put my GM hat on, I'm like, you know, 281 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: it's not just he's playing at forty four. 282 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 2: It said he hasn't played in five years. 283 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: So to me, like the time Brady comparison is not 284 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: a comparison because time Brady was active the whole time. 285 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: So you know, I was just concerned about, you know, 286 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: the movement skill. It's concerned about you know, reaction times. 287 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: If you're off just a millisecond. In the NFL, it's 288 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: a big difference. Concerned about soft tissue injury or worse. 289 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: But then I watched the press conference yesterday that Philip 290 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: did and had me convinced. I'm like, hell, why not? 291 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: And that's the way Philip is Like. I'm watching that 292 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking all the reasons why you maybe you 293 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: shouldn't do it. And then I'm like, he's got me, like, yeah, 294 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: let's go. Let' see that's how he plays. Don't worry 295 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: about the results, just go off there and let it rip. 296 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 2: Buck. That's this guy. That's must see TV. I can't wait. 297 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 2: I cannot wait to watch it either. Man. I'm so 298 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 2: I'm so scared for him. 299 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 7: Like just in terms of everybody who's ever played anything 300 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 7: always believed that they still got a little left, and 301 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 7: I'm just worried. 302 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 2: Five years away from the game, Philip talked about I'm 303 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: not at my playing weight. I'm about twenty miles here. 304 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 5: I just I'm just fearful of him having to move 305 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 5: around and something bad happened. Even though I love the Maxie, 306 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 5: I love his gun slinging ways all of that, I'm 307 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 5: just really concerned about him being able to survive a 308 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 5: game and then go into the next We're gonna. 309 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 2: Have to play another one. 310 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: Actually, Like like DJ said, it's not just this game 311 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: is the recovery for the next one, the next one, 312 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: next one for that. It's just it's gonna be tired. 313 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: But I can't wait to watch it. I really can't. 314 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. 315 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 3: I was joking with somebody this morning that, you know, 316 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 3: back in the day, we used to have you know, 317 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 3: you have your practice, your two hour practice, and we 318 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 3: had a ten minute screen period. I said, this is 319 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 3: going to be a ten two hour screen period with 320 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 3: ten minutes of other football sprinkled in there. Everything you 321 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 3: hit that ball out quick. 322 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 323 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: I mean their offensive line is very good. They have 324 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor who's going to get a ton of work, 325 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: which is a good thing. They've got Josh Downs, they 326 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: could they can run some screens with Michael Pittman is there, 327 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: and they've got Tyler Warren. I mean, he has all 328 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: the pieces around him. If this is gonna work that 329 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: that can help him. So yeah, I can't wait to 330 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: watch this against Seattle. 331 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 3: Oh man, this fuck. We haven't seen anything like this man. 332 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 3: And by the way, that the Tom Brady thing island. 333 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 3: Phillip's not a big I don't think he's a big 334 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 3: avocado toast. I don't think he's you know, doing all 335 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 3: that stuff. I don't think he's sleeping in a hyperbaric chamber. 336 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 3: Doesn't really sound like that's a River's style. 337 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 7: I do have a question Tom, like with an older 338 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 7: because one thing that Philip has he has experience and expertise, 339 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 7: because he's seen everything that they could throw their way. 340 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 7: Is it possible that the one advantage that he gives 341 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 7: the Colts is their ability to improve their running game 342 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 7: because he can check in and out things that Riley 343 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 7: Leonard hasn't seen. Philip being able to dominate the line 344 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 7: of scrimmage in terms of getting them in the right 345 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 7: call could be. 346 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point. Just getting in. You know, 347 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: second and twelve is not good. Uh, second and six 348 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: is good, you know, so just getting it, you know, 349 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: like you said, out of a bad play he gets 350 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: he gets the wrong look makes a change, you know. 351 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: Picks up four or five yards on first down. 352 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt. 353 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no more coach on the field than 354 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: what Philip is going to be literally and figurative is a. 355 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 2: Coach, yes what I mean. 356 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: And with him and Shane, I mean they're running North 357 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: Turner's offense and basically they can finish each other's sentence 358 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: as it becomes exs and knows. So it, you know, 359 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: would be really fun to be on the headsets listen 360 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: to Shane. You know, now, now Philip can't talk back, 361 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: and the head set you can only hear me. 362 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: You can mike him up. He's got to be miked 363 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 2: up for this. That would be a. 364 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: Tremendous viewing just to listen to that throughout the game 365 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: of those two kind of going through the game plan, 366 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, in real time. 367 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 368 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 3: I would imagine with the you know, all these teams 369 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 3: having their own media company basically in house, that they 370 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 3: hopefully document this thing all the way. 371 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: Hopefully, but I can tell you from experience, he doesn't 372 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: like being miked up. And most quarterbacks, most quarterbacks don't 373 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: want to do it, don't like it. 374 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 2: They all have to do it once a year. So 375 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: maybe you know he's got four games left. You have 376 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: to do it for one of these four, the first one. 377 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I hope they do it, man, I want 378 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 3: to I want to hear it so bad. Is there 379 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 3: a position where you thought more patients was required than 380 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,119 Speaker 3: others where it's just the learning curve there is so great. 381 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: Well, certainly quarterback. I used to think it was receiver, 382 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: but there's been more receivers that have come in early 383 00:16:57,880 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: and contributed early. It used to be as a receiver 384 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: you come in there's just a big adjustment period. There's 385 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: so many things going on pre snap that they have 386 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: to know and then post snap as far adjusting routes. 387 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: But I think, honestly, I think with the advent of 388 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: so much seven at seven in high school in the summertime, 389 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: and collegers throw the ball so much more than they 390 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: used to a long time ago, that that transitions is 391 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: a little easier now. But certainly quarterback, and then to me, 392 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: the second would be offensive line. There's just so many 393 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: techniques and tools of the trade that you learn that 394 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: just takes time and takes development over a number of years. 395 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: So those are probably the two positions. Defense a little 396 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: bit easier to probably transition. You know, you can always 397 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: fall back to seatball, get ball, but I say offensive 398 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: line and quarterback. 399 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 2: That was always when I think DJ, what was your 400 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: what was your challenging position? As an even it was oh, 401 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: in terms of challenging position for me, it was always safety. 402 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 7: Oh okay, yeah, it was always hard, just because like 403 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 7: old line was always hard for me. 404 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 3: It's safety has gotten I'll tell you what the batting 405 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 3: average on safety. Don't or you this wul a be a 406 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 3: good question for Tom of how you how you watch it? 407 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 3: Because used to be when we were all grown up, 408 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 3: we were all taught, hey, four games, you need four 409 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 3: games and make an evaluation on the guys. You got 410 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 3: to watch four games. And I can watch four games. 411 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 3: You can watch four different games. We have totally wildly 412 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 3: different opinions, but with the ability to cut up the 413 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 3: tape now as efficiently as we can, like safeties for 414 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 3: me personally, like I've seen what was what I had 415 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 3: a lower batting average previously, since I've been able to 416 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 3: watch all the cutups, so to see an entire season 417 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 3: of key plays all the way through. I don't do 418 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 3: that from any positions, but safety position I do, and 419 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 3: I found out I'd rather watch an entire season of 420 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 3: key plays, you know, basically a hit tape versus you know, 421 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 3: randomly selecting four games for a safety where he might 422 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 3: be in the parking lot, you know, not seeing the 423 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 3: accent entire. 424 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: That's the thing as safety is is, Yeah, there's a 425 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: lot of snaps where they're just not involved. 426 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 2: So I agree with you, like. 427 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: You need a lot of games for a safety. They 428 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: really feel good about your evaluation, probably more so than 429 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: any other position. 430 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 2: But the fun thing with safety is is I mean 431 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 2: you have to. 432 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: Be able to tackle and play the run game almost 433 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: like a linebacker, but then you have to be able 434 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: to cover like a corner. 435 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 2: So there are obviously the good ones. They're very hard 436 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 2: to find. 437 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: Is it takes a really wide skill set, But it 438 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: does take a lot of games at that position, just because, yeah, 439 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: there's a lot of times it's a too deep safety. 440 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: He's just backpedal and nothing's going on in front of him. 441 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: You may not have a run support responsibility. So as 442 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: far as a moni game tape, it takes a lot. 443 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 1: And then with the offensive line, I was the same 444 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: when I first started scouting the offensive line to me 445 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: was a bit foreign. And when I was with the Colts, 446 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:31,959 Speaker 1: I sat down with Howard Mudd, who's one of the 447 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 1: best that's they've done it as far as offensive line coaches, 448 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: and I learned so much from him, not just sitting 449 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: down with him, but just spending time with him over 450 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: the years when I was in pro scouting at that point, 451 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: and just learning all the things that he would look 452 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: for in that position. Now I feel like I love 453 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: doing offensive lineman. I love doing centers. Centers to me, 454 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: I really, I mean sounds kind of kind of nerdish 455 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: for football wise. I love watching centers play, the levers, 456 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: the quickness, the pulling, the movement. So most of the 457 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: stuff I learned on offensive line play came from Howard. 458 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 3: You know, I've long been fascinated by the questions that, 459 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 3: you know, what are the right questions to get to 460 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 3: some interesting answers to at least learn something about somebody. 461 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 3: So the one that we've been using lately is one 462 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 3: that I picked up for my buddy, Kim Coleman is 463 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 3: in the leadership space, Thomas. We Askedkeikley this. He gave 464 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 3: us a great answer. But I'll ask you this as 465 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 3: someone who's been a general manager. What ticked you off, 466 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 3: whether it was with staff. 467 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 2: Or you know, the job in general. 468 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, probably on a daily basis. You just 469 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: got to work through it. It's our job to have 470 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: answers rather than just always coming up with, you know, 471 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: complaints or problems, which you tend to get like the 472 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: one thing with it's hard being a college scout where 473 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: you're on the road, you're looking at college players. 474 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 2: For the following year. 475 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: Yet you're watching your team play every Sunday, and then 476 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: you tend to have a lot of opinions on what 477 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: your team should be doing right. You know, you're spending 478 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: Saturday usually watching the game on TV somewhere and you 479 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: call all your director, you call a GM, Hey, how 480 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: can we're not playing so and so? 481 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 2: Hey, how can we're warning the ball on third time 482 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: right here? 483 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: And it would get hey, look trying to explain, Hey, look, 484 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: you're not here every day. You don't know the game plan, 485 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: you don't know who's practicing well, you don't know who's 486 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: been so you know, but you also like, hey, that 487 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: college gott he wants to win like you do. He's 488 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: putting everything you can into it, and he wants to 489 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: have an opinion, so you have to listen to it 490 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: for a little bit. But I'd give a little bit 491 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: of time. That's like, hey, we all have our roles. 492 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: Roll right now is to go find us players for 493 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, right, and our coach's role right now 494 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: is to get us to win, right, you know, to 495 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: win right now. 496 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 2: Buck. 497 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 3: We never did that. We never did that book. No, 498 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 3: we were a supportive I'm glad we're not playing our 499 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 3: talented young piers. Let's keep playing those veterans that know 500 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 3: what to do and think, you know what, let's just 501 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 3: keep losing games. This is so much fun out here 502 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 3: on the road as I'm away from my family. 503 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 2: It was funny. 504 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: It was funny some of those players. They complain about 505 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: our players that we drafted maybe a couple of years ago, Like, hey, wait, 506 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: we're you standing on the table for that offensive. 507 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 3: It changes, the wind can change quick. Pumped to have 508 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 3: Luke back with us. Luke, how are you doing, man? 509 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm doing good. 510 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 8: It's uh. I'm looking at my window right now and 511 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 8: the leaves are changing. It's it's getting cooler. It's a 512 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 8: little brisk in the morning, and this is always my 513 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 8: favorite time of the year playing because stuff starts to 514 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 8: really matter now trade deadline's gone and you start playing 515 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 8: meaningful games in November December, and that's this time of 516 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 8: the year is what I think about playing football. 517 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: So it was this is my my favorite time of 518 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 2: the season. Real quick, were you were? You no sleeves, 519 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 2: no matter what. 520 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 8: See I was, But I didn't like wearing sleeves and games. 521 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 8: I always felt like I was constricted, constricted running And. 522 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 2: Did you ever regret it? Though? Like that, like it 523 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 2: was just so stinking cold. You're like, wait, lea sweatshirt up, 524 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 2: sweatpants at practice? I was no skin showing. 525 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,239 Speaker 8: But what I don't what people don't get, is you 526 00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:59,719 Speaker 8: get on the field and you don't know you're only 527 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 8: on there for a couple of minutes at a time, 528 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 8: and then once you go to the sideline, the benches 529 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 8: are heated. I can put a jacket on, I can 530 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 8: put a hat on. There's heaters everywhere, and then you 531 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 8: get on the field for I don't know a couple 532 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 8: of minutes and then you're back off. So it's really 533 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 8: not that bad. 534 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 3: We've talked a lot about you know, the right questions 535 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 3: when you get to know players, like what's a good 536 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 3: question to elicit a good answer? And I was talking 537 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 3: to one of our buddies of the show, Ken Coleman's 538 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 3: written a bunch of leadership books and I ran it 539 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 3: to him in Nashville, and I said, Hey, I'm always 540 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 3: looking for new questions, like give me, give me a 541 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 3: question you can ask a player. 542 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 2: You can learn something interesting about him. And he said, 543 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 2: ask him what pisses him off. And he's like, Okay, 544 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 2: I've never asked that. So I'm going to let you 545 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: be the first person as a player, Luke, what pissed 546 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 2: you off? 547 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 8: Effort and lack of attention to detail and not thinking 548 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 8: that details are important. And you saw that a lot 549 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 8: in the run game. Hey, where are your eyes? Where 550 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 8: are you closing to? Are you the end man on 551 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 8: the line of scrimmage? Make sure we squeeze all the 552 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 8: way to the hip of that end man on the line. 553 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 8: Because you're the edge player, your inside foot had to 554 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 8: be up because if you're outside foots up your clothes 555 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 8: making a play, you know, going away from the line 556 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 8: of scrimmage. All these little things that seemed dumb. Where 557 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 8: my pad level is as a linebacker, and I'm taking 558 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 8: on a guard? Where are my hands? Where are my feet? 559 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 8: Where are my eyes? How much of this offensive linement 560 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 8: am I taking on? All that stuff is so easy 561 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 8: to do in practice, especially in walkthroughs. Let's not make 562 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 8: it close, because when you go into a game, you're 563 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 8: going to fall back to however you practice, and these 564 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 8: little small details have a huge have a huge role 565 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 8: in whether you have success or whether you fail inside games. 566 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 8: So I think to me, lack of detail and lack 567 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 8: of urgency and walk through periods was a big deal 568 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 8: for me. 569 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 2: That's great. 570 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 6: I mean I can see it because I'm ready to 571 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 6: I can feel the intensity how he would be just 572 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 6: it's not me. 573 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 2: To me, it's not We can all do that. It's easy. 574 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 2: You can feel it. Yeah, I can feel that. And 575 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: it shows the other thing too. It shows is and 576 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 2: walk through specifically, like it shows how important this is 577 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,719 Speaker 2: to you. The way you go through walk through, the 578 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 2: way you have your pad, level that your pad, you 579 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: know where my hands are, where my feet are, where 580 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 2: my eyes are, the urgency at which you put your 581 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 2: hands on somebody in walk through. 582 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 8: All that says to me is hey, number one, do 583 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 8: I know what I'm doing. And then number two, how 584 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 8: important is it to me and how important it is 585 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 8: to you? Shows how important you feel like our job 586 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 8: of playing defense is to the rest of your team. 587 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: That's great. 588 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 3: I never asked you this before, but we in baseball 589 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 3: we used to have player managers, and then in the 590 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 3: NBA you have Bill Russell who was playing and then managing. 591 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 3: I'm not asking, I'm not saying, could player be a 592 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 3: head coach in the NFL. I don't think that's possible. 593 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 3: But if you've got someone and I'm just talking about 594 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 3: someone with your background, experience, intellect, where you got to 595 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 3: at the peak of your powers, you think you could 596 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 3: have called the defense at that point. 597 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Why. 598 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 8: I think that there's way too much going on as 599 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 8: a player that you're worrying about that you don't get overall, 600 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 8: like like trends in the game, who's in, who's out? 601 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 8: There's too much information? 602 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 2: Is it so? Is it? Is it eleven personnel and 603 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: not all eleven personnel is the same? Right? 604 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 8: Is it twenty one run game? Is it two fullbacks 605 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 8: or is it two running backs? And then right after 606 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 8: the play you got to think about all that stuff. 607 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 8: I think there's way too much going on in the game. 608 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 8: Maybe some guys can I certainly couldn't think about. You 609 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 8: play a snap, you wake, you get up off the ground. 610 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 8: You're trying to figure out I'm looking at the jumbo 611 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 8: tron usually trying to figure out, Hey, what happened the 612 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 8: previous play in the run game where that ball hit? 613 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 8: All right, Hey, maybe I need to be a little 614 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 8: bit more shifted over on that guard in the B gap. 615 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 8: And you don't have time to think about like, all right, 616 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 8: it's third and seven. They're bringing in, you know, eleven personnel, 617 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 8: and their eleven personnel has like we were playing the Saints, 618 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 8: was it mark Ingram or is it Darren Sproles? All right, boom, 619 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 8: right now, it's eleven personnel with these guys, there's too 620 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 8: much going on. 621 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 3: How many people for those that don't know, how many 622 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 3: people like headset wise, you don't get to hear them, 623 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 3: but how many people were involved in that process in 624 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 3: terms of identifying the personnel that was on the field. 625 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 3: I'm sure you have somebody who knows tendencies based off 626 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 3: the numbers they have in front of them, Like how 627 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 3: many people are collaborating before that call gets into your headset? 628 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 2: I mean, you got guys op in the booth that 629 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 2: can see everything super easily, right, So that's kind of 630 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 2: how we started In Carolina. McDermott was in the booth, 631 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 2: so he had his crew up there that could see it. 632 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 2: So they probably relate to mcdee, Hey, this is a personnel. 633 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,479 Speaker 8: McDermott makes a call down to the field to hold them, 634 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 8: how holk them, gives me the call in my headset. 635 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 8: That was kind of our process, I believe, and I 636 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 8: think that's that allows everybody to do their specific job, right. 637 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 8: McDermott when he was calling defenses for us, he's up there, 638 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 8: he's looking at situation, feel down in distance. Then he 639 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 8: gets the plate, then he gets the personnel grouping. All right, 640 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 8: boom out of this personnel grouping. 641 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 2: This is what we like. All right, what do we boom? 642 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 4: We like this? 643 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 2: Let me give it to how al gives it to me. 644 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 2: That's the fault. And it all happens. 645 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 8: I mean, it's a forty second, you guys, A forty 646 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 8: second playoff cut shuts off at my headset shuts off 647 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 8: at fifteen. 648 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 2: So that stuff all happens in like ten seconds. 649 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 3: Last one, I'm gonna let you run here the uh, 650 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 3: you know, the scouting side of things, which I know 651 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 3: you're fully capable of doing a lot of times when 652 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 3: you're looking at young players. It's okay, what is he now? 653 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 3: Strengths and weaknesses? Where does he need to get better 654 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 3: to get where you want to go? So I'm gonna 655 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 3: ask you to give me a scouter report on your dog. 656 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you know. 657 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 8: What the scout on your report on her is? She 658 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 8: is the best dog. But she she likes being in 659 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 8: the mix. She's mad that you guys didn't give her 660 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 8: a camera to come talk to her. She microphone, she 661 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,239 Speaker 8: wants in on it. Maybe she was a little bit 662 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 8: disappointed that I said Buffalo and not Carolina. 663 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 2: So I think she's she's trying to voice her opinions 664 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 2: and now she where is she? 665 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 8: She's she's laying down, facing away from me with this 666 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 8: little bit of silence and not looking at me. 667 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 2: So, oh yeah, I gotta go give her. I gotta 668 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: go get you coachable. She coaches over a t r 669 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 2: e A t oh. 670 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 8: I don't say that, but she's, uh, she's very coachable. 671 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 8: She's a great dog, but you know what, she just 672 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 8: wants to be in the mix. And she felt like 673 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 8: she felt like she needed a microphone today. 674 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, the t R e a t by the way, 675 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 2: that's just the helmet sticker. That's all. That's performance, you 676 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 2: know exactly, dog helmets. She's gonna show back right up 677 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 2: over here. Get her to come on. If I wanted 678 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 2: to hear me say treat? Could she hear me say treat? 679 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 2: Oh she just got up. She's walking over here now. 680 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, oh yeah, you need a treat? Got her? 681 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 2: You see your you see your perk up? Yeah, got treat. 682 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,239 Speaker 9: He's gonna run, She's gonna run to the laundry room 683 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 9: where we keep them on. Better be waiting for one 684 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 9: from you and one from Bucky mcclell. Yeah, it's fantastic. Hey, 685 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 9: I've been joy talking to both of you. Luke, I 686 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 9: appreciate that. 687 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 8: Yeah, she's not so interesting or she's already laughing. 688 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 3: Hey, dude, you are the absolute best. You always carve 689 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 3: out time for us and we appreciate you, man, absolutely, 690 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 3: Thanks guys, all right, that's gonna do it for us 691 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 3: a little best of episode. I hope you guys enjoyed 692 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 3: those conversations. Three of our favorites, and of course you 693 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 3: can count on those guys being on the shows going 694 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 3: forward as we head towards twenty twenty six as well. 695 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 3: We appreciate you guys, appreciate you listening and following support 696 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 3: in this podcast, and we'll see you next time right 697 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 3: here on booth the Sticks