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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Tuesday, September thirtieth.

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Speaker 3: How is it the last day of October already?

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Speaker 4: Yond man?

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, the last day of September.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's already October tomorrow see Sign of the Times.

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Speaker 2: I know, Thank goodness. The rent does not due until

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Speaker 2: the fifteenth. But listen, ladies, we have a stack nt

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Speaker 2: of headlines as always, this just in we've been a

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Speaker 2: buzz just before coming on air, and that big development

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Speaker 2: in the Sean Puffy Comb's case also known as Diddy.

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Speaker 2: He's doing court on Friday for sentencing. And we have

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Speaker 2: some new development as of literally ten minutes ago.

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Speaker 3: Also this, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Celestre, this case and the pop star David that

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Speaker 2: we've been speaking about night after night after night.

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Speaker 3: Also lots to unpack there.

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Speaker 2: And we're going to have this little conversation about Munchausen's

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Speaker 2: I'm Stephanie Leidecker here as always with body movin and

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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong, who officially has her voice back. Yah, it's back, baby,

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Speaker 2: It's back baby.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it is voices back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that molifluous smooth styl's. I'm strong, I know to

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Speaker 2: quote the great Courtney, I'm strong to describe the court

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Speaker 2: being Armstrong that I love melifluous voice. So yeah, we're

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Speaker 2: all here and and ready to bounce in without further ado,

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Speaker 2: let's go to a talk back.

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Speaker 5: I wish that they would give more info on Celeste's autopsy.

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Speaker 5: I think that the case doesn't really make sense for me,

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Speaker 5: especially since David's able to walk around and be free

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Speaker 5: when they found her body in his trunk.

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Speaker 3: That's a fair point. You know.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think we're all kind of in the

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Speaker 6: same agreement with you, right, we are all kind of frustrated.

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Speaker 6: But I do want to emphasize though, and I think

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Speaker 6: it's important for everybody to keep in mind they don't

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Speaker 6: know a lot yet, and it is an open investigation,

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Speaker 6: so they're not going to like play, They're not going

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Speaker 6: to show their hands right now, right, They're not going

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Speaker 6: to show their hand. But I do, like I get it.

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Speaker 6: I feel like, you know, are we in danger? Is

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Speaker 6: there there's a killer out there? Like you know, it's scarer,

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Speaker 6: you know, like, but we just don't know.

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Speaker 3: We just don't know.

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Speaker 4: Go like Corney, Yeah, I mean there's no believe me,

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Speaker 4: I hear. Yeah, it's been a long time. But there's

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Speaker 4: been no cause of death. This is not deemed a

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Speaker 4: homicide period, It is not deemed a homicide. Therefore, there

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Speaker 4: is no suspect. LAPD has been pretty clear about that.

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Speaker 4: So I just think they're taking cautious steps to kind

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Speaker 4: of what you're saying, body keep their ducks in a

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Speaker 4: row for as the investigation unfolds, and.

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Speaker 6: You know, the more the cops like say things about

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Speaker 6: what's going on in the investigation, the more they tell

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Speaker 6: the killer what they know, and the killer can hide

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Speaker 6: like that kind of stuff. So it's just not something

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Speaker 6: that we normally see in homicide investigations. Nor it's very

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Speaker 6: tight lipped, and we're experiencing that real time right now

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Speaker 6: with board year Celeste, and I've d of a new update.

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Speaker 6: A newly released death certificate has confirmed that fourteen year

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Speaker 6: old Celestreevas. Remember she has been sitting in that car

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Speaker 6: for weeks, you guys, and her birthday was the day

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Speaker 6: before she was found, So she was never fifteen. Okay,

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Speaker 6: she was fourteen years old. And guess what, she was

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Speaker 6: not pregnant. So that has been that has come out.

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Speaker 6: That is new information. She was not pregnant, and the

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Speaker 6: manner of her death is still listed as deferred pending

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Speaker 6: further investigation and the toxicology results. As we talked about

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Speaker 6: of twenty twenty five in a tesla registered to singer

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Speaker 6: David and his name is David Bert and it was

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Speaker 3: Call me naive, and I may be.

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Speaker 2: But is it possible that this is such a targeted

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Speaker 2: Or is it possible that he's being framed. I interviewed

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Speaker 2: sharing with you, But it was from one of the

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Speaker 2: perpetrators or accused perpetrators family members, and it offered a

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Speaker 2: really unique perspective because just being accused of something is

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Speaker 2: like game over, right, especially if you're a pop star.

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Speaker 2: Especially obviously in this case, there's a vehicle that is his,

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Speaker 2: no question about that. Maybe he wasn't there. Is it

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Speaker 2: possible that some friend or family member of his had

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Speaker 2: things that are being said about their relationship or about

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Speaker 2: him directly, maybe they're not true? And is this like

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Speaker 2: a jump to judgment. I just fear that twenty two

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Speaker 2: days later, why is there not an arrest? How is

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Speaker 2: David the pop star not listed as a person of interest?

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Speaker 2: And I feel like sometimes we see in the press

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Speaker 2: with the media very quickly, and then you know, because

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Speaker 2: of course you know, you want to dig in more

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Speaker 3: That could be really destructive. And is it.

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Speaker 2: Possible that that's the case here? I almost want to

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Speaker 2: believe that. And there's a lessed family. They must be

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Speaker 3: Or or was she missing? It's all like a it's

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Speaker 6: I feel like if he is being set up, that

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Speaker 6: he'll be able to prove, Like, look, I was looking

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Speaker 6: for her. I was sitting text messages she had disappeared

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Speaker 2: And why wasn't he out to the press saying find her,

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Speaker 2: find her, find her? By the way, as I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: it's out loud, and why is he not yelling to

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Speaker 3: Find her?

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Speaker 2: If you're a loved one is found in a trunk

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Speaker 3: What do we call that? Again? A fronk?

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Speaker 2: It feels like wrong even saying but if somebody you

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Speaker 2: even if it's a stranger found in your front wouldn't

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Speaker 4: If David has any kind of representation, which I'm sure

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Speaker 4: good counsel would say lock it up. Nothing good is

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Speaker 3: Fair.

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Speaker 4: That's what I suspect.

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Speaker 5: Fair.

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Speaker 2: we go to Venice. Welcome to the show, Venice. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for being here.

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Speaker 3: What are you say? What's your question? We're so happy

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Speaker 7: Thank you so much for having me. I am super

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Speaker 7: excited as usual. I just want to add to what

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Speaker 7: you were just saying about the fact that if somebody

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Speaker 7: is missing, that is a loved one or a close friend,

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Speaker 7: your natural instinct is to want either yourself or someone

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Speaker 7: else to find her, find her, find her. So the

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Speaker 7: fact that all of this is happening and there was

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Speaker 7: solve the quote unquote mystery of what's happening. And I

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Speaker 7: also want to add to the fact that if this

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Speaker 7: he is going to have information on when the trunk

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Speaker 7: And I'm saying that because as a Tesla owner myself,

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Speaker 4: So there's just a lot.

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Speaker 7: Of things that, again going back to what you said,

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Speaker 7: just doesn't add up as to why he's still not

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Speaker 3: Can I ask a question about the Tesla because boy,

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Speaker 3: that they kind of are the smartest car in the land, right,

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Speaker 3: Like don't they drive themselves for all intensive purposes? So

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Speaker 3: I would imagine that you have your key and there's

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent?

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Speaker 7: And I'm direct to answer is yes, it's supposed to

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Speaker 7: just having a tesla as the motive for placing the

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Speaker 7: of details or evidence. So my take is it's reminding

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Speaker 7: but you know, before they sort of like divulge and

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Speaker 7: vomit all of the information, they want to make sure

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Speaker 7: that could potentially allow him to say, well, you know,

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Speaker 7: all I did was this member, I didn't kill her, right,

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Speaker 7: So that is my sort of short take on it.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for the call, Deniece, like, it's very good insight,

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Speaker 6: and took the information about the tesla, and you know,

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Speaker 6: and we've been sitting here, we've been saying, like, why

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Speaker 6: didn't you know, why didn't he sound the alarm bells

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Speaker 6: because you know she'd been missing for let's say three weeks. Right, Well,

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Speaker 6: we know why he didn't do that, right, She's fourteen,

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Speaker 6: That's why he didn't do it.

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Speaker 2: But if there wasn't an inappropriate relationship and he had

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Speaker 2: put that on pause and that was sort of fact,

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Speaker 2: then he would shout that for their like, if there's

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Speaker 2: nothing to think, nothing to hide, if there's nothing to hide.

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Speaker 4: What facts about that he put his relationship on pause?

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Speaker 4: So federal prosecutors, they are urging the judge to sentence

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 6: So he's saying because he didn't he didn't have the sex,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think the blackmail is probably part of

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Speaker 4: But Diddy was not convicted of blackmail. He was convicted

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Speaker 2: Well, if you have hidden cameras in your house so

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Speaker 6: Saying that this was too obscene to be considered of

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Speaker 2: So now the judge is saying, uh huh, and I'm

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Speaker 6: Well, I want to hear what you think about it.

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Speaker 6: Give us a call eight to eight thirty one Crime.

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Speaker 6: We're right in the middle of talking about the P.

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Speaker 6: Give us a call eighty eight thirty one Crime or

439
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Speaker 6: hit us on the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio app. We

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Speaker 6: have a talkback right now.

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Speaker 8: In fact, they girl, So I just listened as a

442
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 8: Diddy episode and Stephanie should be in the courtroom because

443
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 8: her recounting all of the things was so powerful. My

444
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 8: issue with this man is that he doesn't seem to

445
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 8: be remorseful and money is. Since he has been imprisoned,

446
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 8: all he has been doing is coming back to court

447
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 8: with this movement, this idea. He wants this, really, he

448
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 8: wants that instead of doing the time and really repunting

449
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 8: and really rehabilitating, he seems like he is still manipulated

450
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 8: and trying to be in charge and throw around power.

451
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 8: He needs to be time where he has no other

452
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 8: motive than to rehabilitate.

453
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Speaker 2: I know, it's like, can I just jump in. First

454
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 2: of all, it's such a you know, thank you for

455
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Speaker 2: the talk back. First and foremost, I wish I was

456
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 2: a lawyer, certainly I am not those so just as

457
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: a heads up, like you know, I'm just you know,

458
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 2: talking through it with you guys with as much knowledge

459
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Speaker 2: as you guys, so.

460
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Speaker 3: That I was figuring this out.

461
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 2: I was a ditty fan, so like FYI, so let

462
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: me just like set the stage with that. Had I

463
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: been or able to go to a white party back

464
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Speaker 2: in the day a thousand years ago, probably would have gone,

465
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Speaker 2: no stress. I do not think what you do behind

466
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 2: closed doors is my business. I could care less if

467
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 2: you're having freak offs. By the way, I did find

468
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: it interesting. I'm not gonna lie. I was all in

469
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: when I was hearing about like what, mostly because it

470
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,719
Speaker 2: was a curiosity point. I don't think that's a crime,

471
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: nor do I actually care, nor do I get a vote.

472
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 2: That said, we saw that video on CNN. We saw

473
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 2: her be beaten to the ground. That was a tip

474
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 2: of the iceberg. Let's be real. Anybody out in this

475
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 2: who's hearing my voice, who has been the victim of

476
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 2: any sort of abuse, knows that that is what's happening.

477
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 2: There is happening really there. So we got a glimpse,

478
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: and victim after victim after victim had to come forward

479
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 2: shamefully and share these really tough tales, right of things

480
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 2: that they took money for, or things that they settled for,

481
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 2: or things that they had paid for in exchange for.

482
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: Those are tough reckoning moments, right. So it's a bunch

483
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 2: easier to say nope, it didn't happen to me and

484
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,360
Speaker 2: like go away. But they came forward again and after

485
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 2: again after again. This was like so publicized too on

486
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: top of it, So what is the right answer here?

487
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 2: We know that he is according to him, he's sober,

488
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 2: he's seen the error in his ways. He has an

489
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: elderly mother who wants to hug him before she passes.

490
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 2: God forbid, knock on wood. He has daughters of his own,

491
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: He has children. There was all of this talk that

492
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: I personally was very sucked into with, you know, the

493
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 2: celebrities that were going to be one after the other

494
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: after the other after the other, that was going to

495
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 2: slam it to Diddy because there was this enterprise and look,

496
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 2: that didn't really happen.

497
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Speaker 3: We ended up not seeing that.

498
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 2: Whether that was a cover up or it just never happened,

499
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: we'll never know. But again, like we're getting lost in

500
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 2: the sauce on like sematics of prostitution. And that's where

501
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: I feel like we're losing the messaging here until our

502
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 2: caller's point is did he not getting the point?

503
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Speaker 6: While the victim impacts statements, Oh, we're pretty, We're pretty.

504
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 6: I read them and they were pretty For me, they

505
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 6: were pretty impactful. I thought, so now and they were

506
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 6: saying that, yeah, I you know, the victim impact statements

507
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 6: there were there were several, and to me they were

508
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 6: they were very heartfelt. And you know, if if and

509
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 6: I don't know if the judge is going to take

510
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 6: these into consideration when he's considering sentencing. I think that,

511
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 6: you know, there might be some kind of compromise with

512
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 6: the government, Like I don't think he's going to get

513
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 6: eleven years.

514
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 3: I think that is crazy talk.

515
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 2: And is that also a weird strategy by the government

516
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 2: to like overreach for such a large sentence knowing that

517
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 2: there's a very real thing you might walk on Friday.

518
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure that it was twenty years would have

519
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 4: been the absolute pop the most severe sentence ten years

520
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 4: for each.

521
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 2: I agree, so, but that was at regis by most standards,

522
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 2: based on what he was convicted of, right, So that's yeah,

523
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 2: I'll be unrealistic.

524
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,479
Speaker 4: But it is the top of what could you know,

525
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 4: what sentence you can get for that just on paper?

526
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 4: And you know Combe's team is asking for time served,

527
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 4: so asking for him to walk out. So I don't know,

528
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 4: the prosecutors are kind of splitting the difference. It's one

529
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty five months, which is eleven years and

530
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 4: three months. I'm not quite sure why that specific math,

531
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 4: but we'll see. I think a lot of it will

532
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 4: come down to the judged and determining the sentence. You know,

533
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 4: what are in these one hundred and eighty pages of

534
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 4: the evidence. In addition to the victim's letters, they came

535
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 4: these impact letters. Came from Capricorn Clark, they came from

536
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 4: Deontae Nash, they came from his girlfriend Mia, they came

537
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 4: from Jordan who he was the chef, the personal chef, right,

538
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 4: and of course Cassie Ventura. So there's a lot of

539
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 4: people who speak a fear of retribution graphic abuse.

540
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: And we know this was a very abusive lifestyle, right,

541
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: So that was a real eye opener. We got like

542
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: this insight into this world that you know, I personally

543
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: have never seen before. So it was like, oh, freak coughs.

544
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: Why does everybody have guns? Why are they doing drugs?

545
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: Why is the assistant going to do this?

546
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 7: This?

547
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 3: And that? It seemed like a really it was like

548
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: an open secret.

549
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,959
Speaker 2: It felt like, right, so listen, now we have this

550
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: light on maybe some really dark things.

551
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 3: I guess the question is what's next.

552
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: So Diddy's repenting, you know, remember he wrote a letter

553
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: also saying he's in unreasonable conditions. He's a repented man.

554
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: In his consideration, he wants to see his daughters again,

555
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: He wants to be a father, he's a mogul, time

556
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: to do better? Is that accurate or is there a

557
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: really scary retribution for about to happen? And if I

558
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: was one of the people that had the courage to

559
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: come forward into a New York courtroom and put my

560
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: face in there and everybody's talking about it, ourselves included,

561
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: is that the least safe place to be?

562
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 3: And what does that say for all victims?

563
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Speaker 4: Well, I think Jarrett Farantino and I believe I have

564
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 4: these factorits. What he had said about this was it

565
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 4: would be in Didy's best interests. He's like, listen, if

566
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 4: he gets out, he's not gonna want to have anything

567
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 4: to do with it.

568
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, hands clean, hands cleaner. But isn't that like the

569
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: name of the game. He can move on. But he

570
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: could also have others that commit retribution or whatever that

571
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 2: is in his name.

572
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 6: In his name, well, listen, coming up, you're still sending

573
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 6: us a talkbacks with all about Brian Coberger and we're

574
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Speaker 6: going to start digging into those and.

575
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Speaker 3: Without further ado, let's go straight toward.

576
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Speaker 9: Talkback their true grandfriends. My name's Aliah. I'm in British Columbia, Canada.

577
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 9: I also took a look at those selfie photos of

578
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 9: Coburger and I saw that Maddie's window was visible from

579
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 9: the street, and some of those selfies were at night

580
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 9: walks or runs. Do you think maybe he was on

581
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 9: a run to look through the window?

582
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Speaker 3: Thanks guys, really good question.

583
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 6: You know, when there got happened, When this all first happened,

584
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 6: my first thing was I wonder if this guy was

585
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 6: a peeping tom. You know, I spoke about this a

586
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 6: lot actually in the beginning before we had before he

587
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 6: was arrested, I was just like, I wonder if this

588
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 6: is a beeping tom? So, yeah, is it Is it

589
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 6: possible that, you know, when Brian Coberger was out stargazing

590
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 6: or on his little runs at night, did he you know,

591
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 6: park his car somewhere nearby and kind of run by.

592
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: I think that's entirely possible, but we just don't know.

593
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 6: And there is, you know, there is evidence that you know,

594
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 6: his phone was in the vicinity of the home at

595
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 6: least twenty three times or some number like that. It

596
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 6: escapes me now at the moment, but it was a

597
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 6: it was a significant number. Is it possible?

598
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 10: And Bonnie, can I jump in real quick because in

599
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 10: case anyone is listening for the first time, can you

600
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 10: describe that selfie that she's referring to or what's going Well, there's.

601
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Speaker 6: Not a specific selfie she's talking about. She's talking about

602
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 6: the selfies just in general. But I can do that, so,

603
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 6: you know, over the last couple of weeks, the Idaho

604
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 6: State Police have released a number of photos from inside

605
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 6: the home. Of course, they're not showing us anything graphic,

606
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 6: as well as some of the pictures that Brian Coberger

607
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 6: had on his phone, and they're just a lot of

608
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 6: selfies that he had taken, and many of them he's hiking,

609
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 6: and many of them he's hiking and you know, eating dinner,

610
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 6: trying on new clothes, trying different haircuts. It looks like

611
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 6: maybe looking at what his body looks like in different

612
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 6: outfits and things like that.

613
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 3: So that these are.

614
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 6: The selfies that she's talking about, and she's just talking

615
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 6: about them in general.

616
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,239
Speaker 2: But if they're talking about them in general, the two

617
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: questions would be one. I think that one with the

618
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: thumbs up is sort of the photo that everybody's really

619
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: speaking about in terms of he's in that hoodie, he's

620
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: in his bathroom, he's sort of nodding to the fact

621
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: of hey, high five thumbs up, yet murders had just

622
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: been committed, if in fact that's the timeline, so scary.

623
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 2: And also, you know his alibi was I was out,

624
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: you know, looking at.

625
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 3: The stars on a starry night.

626
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: So maybe all of these hiking things were sort of

627
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: leading to some sort of an alibi or proof that

628
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: this is something he often did.

629
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: That's very scary.

630
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: I also just think in general, the idea of somebody

631
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 2: peeking through a window from a distance is what kind

632
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: of triggers maybe all of us and maybe our obsession

633
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: or fascination maybe is a better word with this case

634
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: myself specifically, just the idea. I'm a former New York

635
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: I used to live in New York City at some point.

636
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: And you walk in New York City and you it's

637
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: awesome because like the sky rises, you see like a

638
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 2: thousand different lives. Every different window has a different color,

639
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: and there's like activity and you can't really see in

640
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: but it's just you see, there's a world behind every

641
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: window from a distance. What if that's not the case,

642
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: What if you're really seeing into somebody's world from a

643
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: distance through their window. And I think that's the scariest

644
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: part of this, you said of peeping Tom. How scary

645
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: is a peeping Tom somebody who's just lurking and you know,

646
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: taking witness of you and tracking your steps and kind

647
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: of assessing your life from a distance. What we now

648
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: see as windows from a distance is also Instagram. You know,

649
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: It's like there's they're kind of one and the same,

650
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: like what used to be the old school home. Yeah,

651
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: high rise from a distance. Now we're all putting it

652
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: out real, real clever. We heard this last night when

653
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 2: we had our specialist on.

654
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 3: She was so great.

655
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Speaker 2: Anyway, it's such a great question, and I don't personally

656
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Speaker 2: have the answer, but the photos do say a lot.

657
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Speaker 6: They do, and you know we're never going to get

658
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 6: those answers. But I do think that was a really

659
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 6: good talk back, and thank you so much for it.

660
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Speaker 6: We have another one right now.

661
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Speaker 11: Brian Coberger pulling his hair back in the mirror for

662
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 11: his selfies. I wonder, since he's always so absolutely expressionless,

663
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 11: if he's trying to see if he can make different

664
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 11: expressions just at that.

665
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Speaker 3: Very interesting, what a great aw I never thought, really good.

666
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 6: Observation, But I'm still so like in my head, you

667
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 6: guys about him only doing this after the murders. I'm

668
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 6: still in my head about it. I do think it

669
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 6: means something. I don't know what, but maybe it is

670
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 6: maybe he is trying to see if his expression has changed,

671
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 6: maybe after, you know, post murder.

672
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 4: I mean that might make sense. That might make sense

673
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 4: given questions that we've seen him post in yesteryear, you know,

674
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 4: whether it was in his searches or to other people

675
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 4: have basically boiled down to how do you be a

676
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 4: human being? Or whatever? You know, I feel like I

677
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 4: have no feelings, so how do I project a way

678
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 4: of being?

679
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: Or is it possible that he was studying himself, Like

680
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 2: sometimes you really see yourself when you're.

681
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 3: In a picture.

682
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: You know, how many times have you thought, oh, my goodness,

683
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: I look of awesome in this photo and you're like

684
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: oh until you see the photo and you're like a

685
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: little bit less so or vice versa. Is it possible

686
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: that everybody was look yeah also eighteen seconds ago in

687
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: my face. Is it possible that he took a photograph

688
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 2: to see for himself? Do I look different? Am I

689
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 2: the same? That's why you see the look in my

690
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: eyes for him?

691
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 5: Right?

692
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's also sad and scar Yeah, it's

693
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 2: interesting to talk about.

694
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Speaker 10: You looking there weren't any marks or scratches or anything like,

695
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 10: you wouldn't have nothing, you would have taken that. Now

696
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 10: I take that back. I was about to say, could

697
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 10: he even looking to see any marks on my forehead?

698
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 10: Or but then why would you take that selfie?

699
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know.

700
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Speaker 2: I don't know that you would take the selfie if

701
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 2: you weren't looking to have someone see it. I mean, again,

702
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: this is a smart guy that knew this is a

703
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 2: social a social imprint was going to exist, right, Yeah,

704
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: that was an escapable thing. We interviewed, you know, a

705
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 2: student that said day one what they learned about was

706
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 2: your social imprint and how phones, et cetera were trackable.

707
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: I mean this is like tier one if you're in criminology.

708
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 3: One on one, right.

709
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a PhD student, so like that was like

710
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: the first lesson plan. By the way, if you watch

711
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,479
Speaker 2: CSI in Law and Arder, you would know that's yeah,

712
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: your phone.

713
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 3: All of us are learning this real time.

714
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: We all have social imprints based on everything we every

715
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: photo we take, every place we go.

716
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 3: It's it's a little bit trackable. Surprising that anybody can

717
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 3: get away with a crime anymore, But in his case,

718
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 3: he had to somewhere have known that if in fact

719
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 3: this is true, and it's a disturbing look into like

720
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 3: humanity in a way.

721
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 4: You sparked a lot of debate with that talk back.

722
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Let's go to another one.

723
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Speaker 12: Hi, my name's Mac. I actually went to you and

724
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 12: I my freshman year in twenty twelve, and I was

725
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 12: always at that King roadhouse. Some of my fondest memories

726
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 12: of that year were in that house. My mom was

727
00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 12: there for Mom's weekend. And so to know that that

728
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 12: happened in that house, like it just it makes me

729
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 12: so sad. And to know that it happened in Moscow,

730
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 12: a place that I loved, just horrible.

731
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 6: You know, this is like the ripple effect that we

732
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 6: talk about sometimes, Like you know, Mac, who just left

733
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 6: us that great talk back. You know, now she has

734
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 6: these great memories of this house, and now hopefully she

735
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 6: gets to hold on to those memories and they're not ruined.

736
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 6: This is the ripple effect, right, because poor Mac, now

737
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 6: when she thinks about this great time she had in

738
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 6: her freshman year of college, which everybody should experience. You know,

739
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 6: this wonderful You know, you're out in your own for

740
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 6: the first time and it's so iconic, right, and you're remembering, God,

741
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 6: I remember when I was a freshman and I used

742
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 6: to go party at this house and now it's gone.

743
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 6: There were beautiful people were murdered in this house, and

744
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 6: now your memory is tainted. This is the ripple effect

745
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 6: that you know, this kind of thing.

746
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 2: And by the way you say that, and it hits

747
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 2: my heart really hard, because you're right. It's like, not

748
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 2: only are the victims and obvious their families and their

749
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: immediate friends. It's like it's unimaginable. That's generational trauma that

750
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: we're seeing. The ripple of that is kind of unimaginable, right,

751
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: But then you think of the perpetrator, for in this case,

752
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: Brian Cobrocker, his family, the ripple effect of that generationally

753
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 2: they did nothing wrong, so now their lives are completely

754
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: upside down. Any student student to this one was whether

755
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: it was at his school or at you know, we're

756
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: in Idaho, Like you're just going there to be like free,

757
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: loving and free and be.

758
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 3: At the frat house.

759
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: Now you know that just feet from the frat house,

760
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 2: this tragedy happened. It's a muddy line, and that's traumatizing.

761
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: What could have been to any of the students is

762
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 2: probably equally scary, and sometimes that trauma doesn't kick it

763
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 2: until way later, Like thank god there wasn't.

764
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 6: But what if they're one of the girls who was

765
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 6: there that night, She was going to stay the night,

766
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 6: but she decided to go home, and I think about

767
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 6: her all the time, you know, like she probably is

768
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 6: like what if, what if? It's just so sad?

769
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 2: The DoorDash driver, how about the door dash driver exactly

770
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: who we know delivered food to you know, is Zanna

771
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: Kernodle minutes before their murders.

772
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 3: We know that's fact. We know that she's on camera.

773
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: She was actually outed on camera, you know when we

774
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 2: spoke about this for in length when this happened, she

775
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: literally caught eyes with you know, Brian Coburger. She caught

776
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: eyes with him going into what would be a massacre.

777
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 3: Why not her right.

778
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 2: Like, by the way, thank god, And then she got

779
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: a lot of slack. Also, remember we don't even need

780
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: to go back to that. This is also the effect

781
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 2: exactly families on all sides are affected. We don't really

782
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: think about what happens to what happens to all of them.

783
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: And yeah, anybody wants to comment, that was a really

784
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 2: important talk back, and thank you for leaving it.

785
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 6: And Matt, you know what, if you can hear me,

786
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 6: Mac if you're listening, thank you, Matt. I want you

787
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 6: to remember the good times that you had exactly and

788
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 6: keep that in your heart and hopefully you know, when

789
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 6: you think back on your freshman year, all you remember

790
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 6: are the great times that you had in your mom coming.

791
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 3: To busy and your mom coming to visit like that.

792
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 3: Thank you for the twelve said well said, Yeah, absolutely.

793
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 4: If you have anything to add, we would love to

794
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 4: hear from you. Eighty eight three to one crime. It

795
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 4: is a great night to call in. We'd love to chat.

796
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 4: We are talking about Brian Colberger and we are going

797
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 4: through talkbacks and let's go to another one.

798
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 8: Hey, fantastic.

799
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 3: Just a quick question.

800
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 13: I know that Dylan interviewed e Bely.

801
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 14: It was her second one, and I just wanted to

802
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 14: get everyone to take on it.

803
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 9: I really wish we could list before Souls dress that

804
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 9: they continue.

805
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 14: To release documents and I'm not really sure how.

806
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 15: I'll feel about that.

807
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 14: I hope you all have a great few days.

808
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: I agree the Dylan interviews I thought were so devastating,

809
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: honestly devastating, devastating. You see it real time. This is

810
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: what devastation looks like. And this is what confusion looks like.

811
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 2: This is what a young person whose brain is collapsing

812
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: on itself.

813
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 3: This is what real time trauma looks like. I hate it.

814
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 3: I hate it. I hate that we actually see it too.

815
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 3: That's why I hated the movie, the show Unknown Caller.

816
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 3: I'm seeing a young girl, Lauren traumatized line on bodycam.

817
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 3: I'm like, I cannot see it. I see Gabby Patito

818
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 3: and bodycam asking for her mom right before she dies.

819
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: I don't want to see it, honestly. Like and we

820
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 2: make true crime, we're justice people. We want to solve things,

821
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 2: we want to make the world better, we want to

822
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 2: feel safer. Sometimes seeing this, I sometimes I think we're

823
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: seeing too much, which I know sounds wild in the

824
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: scheme of what we're talking about, But there is this

825
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: weird line and Dylan specifically, I feel very defensive of

826
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: I do think I mean bodycam.

827
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Speaker 4: I do think it is absolutely for the greater good.

828
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 4: Of course, you know he said, she said of people

829
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 4: on both sides of law enforcement in heated altercations. But yes,

830
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 4: of course that was devastating.

831
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 2: No, just to clear up the point, I'm not suggesting

832
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 2: that bodycam footage is not excellent. Of course, so do

833
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: it all the time. I also love, you know, cameras

834
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 2: in the courtroom transparency. I'm just saying there are some

835
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: moments when talking about Gabby Patito, which is a young

836
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: girl who lost her life on a road trip with

837
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: her boyfriend who ultimately murdered her. There's bodycam footage of

838
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: her before that, and it's harrowing. I think of her parents,

839
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,959
Speaker 2: like she wanted help and didn't get it. We see

840
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 2: that in this case, Dylan, like, this information is it

841
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 2: is hard to hear. She is traumatized and got piled

842
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: on at the time, and that is like that is

843
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 2: too much, and it's you know, we're seeing the Charlie

844
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: Kirk Live like, what is the line?

845
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 3: Is a question?

846
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm asking myself this question, and so I'm

847
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: just saying it out loud, talking it out with you guys.

848
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 3: I don't have the answer.

849
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 6: See, for me, seeing it makes me more empathetic, I

850
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 6: think for me fair, that's so fair me seeing it

851
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 6: makes me more empathetic and maybe even more defensive of her,

852
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 6: of Jo specifically, because.

853
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 3: I mean I'd always been defensive of her.

854
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 6: But seeing her like shaking and like body camp, seeing

855
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 6: her your sword in her room, seeing her remembering it. Yeah,

856
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 6: you're seeing her remember what, Oh my god, did that happened?

857
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 6: Because she's hungover? Remember like how many times have I

858
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 6: woken up and been like, oh my god, did that

859
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 6: happen last night?

860
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, and she's so young,

861
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: she's seeing it, and these are empathetic in your mind.

862
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 3: This is not what your mind automatically goes to. You

863
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 3: assume that there's somebody partying upstairs, or that somebody had

864
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 3: a hookup or a friend over, or it got too loud,

865
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 3: or the cops came. It kind has gone to them

866
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 3: many times.

867
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Speaker 2: That is, you're watching her process the real scary world,

868
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 2: real time, and it's harrowing.

869
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 4: Listen, stick with us at the top of the hour.

870
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 4: Not only are we going to get to more of

871
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 4: your talkbacks, we also have plenty of dms to read

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Speaker 4: out loud that have been handpacked by TAHA and give

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Speaker 4: us a call a and a three one Crime True

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Speaker 4: Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 3: Done, Don Don Welcome back to true crime tonight.

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Speaker 2: On iHeartRadio, we're talking true crime all the time. I'm

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Speaker 2: Stephanie Leidecker and I head u Kat Studios, where we

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Speaker 2: all make true crime podcasts and documentaries.

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Speaker 3: By the way, please check out in Cells.

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Speaker 2: It's dropping a new episode tomorrow, Episode three. Also on

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Speaker 2: iHeart and the Idaho Massacre season three. All of us

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Speaker 2: are contributing to the effort and listen. It's talk back Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: so we get to talk back to the talkbacks. So

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Speaker 2: come on, leave us your messages, just download the iHeartRadio

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Speaker 2: app or just join us live eight eight eight three

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Speaker 2: one crime or hit us up on our socials.

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Speaker 3: Where should we go next? Next?

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00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 4: Talkback to?

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00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 3: Or no or DM no. By the way, we're doing

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Speaker 3: dms now because we all get a ton of them,

891
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 3: and Ta apparently gets a ton of them, so he's

892
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 3: given us some secret dms for for is that the

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00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 3: game we're playing right now?

894
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 4: Well more or less.

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Speaker 10: I just wanted to get so many talkbacks and dms,

896
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 10: but we all spend as much time with our dms,

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Speaker 10: so I thought maybe we can each read a DM

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Speaker 10: and then we can just have a conversation about some

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Speaker 10: of the directions.

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Speaker 6: We don't know what each other has, right, so I've

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Speaker 6: kept secret and yeah I haven't. Okay, I just want to.

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Speaker 4: Make sure I have a test of your knowledge envelope.

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Speaker 3: I feel edge of us.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, breaking open now, OKAYO. Hi, this is Caterine from Brighton, Missouri.

905
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Speaker 4: I was wondering where they do you guys think that

906
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 4: Didty and Epstein ever worked together? Don't you think it's

907
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 4: strange that they're both linked to Trump? Yet did he

908
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 4: hasn't had anything to say about it? PS. I love

909
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 4: your show. I listen every night and it totally makes

910
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 4: my life more bearable. Thank you for thank you all

911
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 4: for everything you do. So first of all, Cadrin, thank

912
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 4: you very much for that. I have a couple of thoughts.

913
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 4: To my knowledge, Didy and Epstein did not have any

914
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 4: working relationship. I did cursory research. So if I'm wrong

915
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 4: eight to eight three, one crime, call and let me know. So.

916
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 4: I don't believe they ever worked together. Do I think

917
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 4: it's strange that Diddy hasn't had anything to say about

918
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 4: if he does have a connection to Epstein strigularly through Trump. No,

919
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Speaker 4: even if they were having pajama parties with just each

920
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 4: other every day, I think they has no benefit to

921
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Speaker 4: mention and hey me and Epstein anything. So that's my

922
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Speaker 4: two cents.

923
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Speaker 3: Step me.

924
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: I will say I did a very deep dive on this,

925
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 2: and again I'm not the arbiter of all things. I

926
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: don't think they operated amongst each other. What I find

927
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 2: interesting about both cases is there's just some similarities about

928
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 2: the themes of the cases. In both cases, we're talking

929
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Speaker 2: about real wealth, real power, real influence, right, and what

930
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: that circle looks like if you step into a circle

931
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Speaker 2: where a there's real money involved, which really praise on

932
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Speaker 2: the vulnerable who don't have it. If you don't have

933
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 2: money and somebody again sometimes it looks real fancy on

934
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Speaker 2: the other side, so you can get sucked in very quickly,

935
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Speaker 2: and you kind of can be targeted and are very

936
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Speaker 2: vulnerable to being wide eyed to this very powerful world.

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Speaker 2: I think Epstein and Diddy this is my personal opinion.

938
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Speaker 2: This is not like based on New York Times research.

939
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Speaker 2: I'm just saying personally my instincts, the themes are the same,

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Speaker 2: and luring people into your world in exchange for you know, stuff, money, access,

941
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Speaker 2: you know, in.

942
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Speaker 3: Viddy's case, music deals.

943
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Speaker 2: In Epstein's place, there was so much money involved right

944
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Speaker 2: now that you're dealing with a certain echelon of people.

945
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Speaker 2: I don't think there was crossover, but I do think

946
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Speaker 2: the themes were the same, and I therefore think people get.

947
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Speaker 3: Away with a lot of stuff.

948
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Speaker 2: And the biggest one probably is allegedly allegedly allegedly the

949
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Speaker 2: idea that there were cameras around Diddy's world, or that

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Speaker 2: he was videotaping these you know, freakofs and then using

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Speaker 2: those freak off videos against the participants, whether it was

952
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: his ex girlfriends or somebody in his circle, to say

953
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Speaker 2: that your mom is going to get fired from her

954
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Speaker 2: job because I'm going to share the freak off video

955
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Speaker 2: we just made for the last three days, by the way,

956
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Speaker 2: drug fueled drugs that I'm supplying a room, that I'm

957
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Speaker 2: supplying in cash, that I'm I'm creating, all the characters

958
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Speaker 2: I'm flying in escorts, et cetera. The fact that that's

959
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Speaker 2: being used as blackmail for control, I think that's the

960
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Speaker 2: real theme that I think we're all scratching at. And

961
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Speaker 2: in that case, Epstein, that's the that's what we're scratching

962
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Speaker 2: at Also, the players are different, but the themes are

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Speaker 2: the same.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, And even I did a little digging beforehand, there

965
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Speaker 10: is no public or verified information that links Epstein and

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Speaker 10: Ditty together, so.

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Speaker 2: I think there might have even been, And correct me

968
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Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, if a listener knows better. I think

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Speaker 2: there was some conversation early on when Diddy was arrested

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Speaker 2: that Diddy had to sort of praise Trump and like

971
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Speaker 2: bow down so that he would.

972
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Speaker 3: Get a lighter thing.

973
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Speaker 2: And you know, so that only infers that maybe there

974
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Speaker 2: wasn't such a connection. Yeah, but I don't know for sure.

975
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Speaker 2: I don't think that that was there. I don't believe

976
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Speaker 2: that there were any operations operating simultaneously in their worlds.

977
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Speaker 3: If that's the question.

978
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Speaker 2: But the enter or the world we're calling it enterprise,

979
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 2: but it's really circles, circles of influence, and how that

980
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: can be really alluring for somebody who wants to have

981
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Speaker 2: a better life and is being told they will, and

982
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 2: then in reality the doors closed behind you and you're

983
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Speaker 2: forced into really compromising positions.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I agree, Well that was I think that was

985
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Speaker 10: a good, good answer and a good DM from Cadron.

986
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Speaker 3: So yeah, thank you, Cadron coming.

987
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 10: Who's next? Actually, Stephanie might be up next you.

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00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: No, oh no, I don't have my glasses on and

989
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 2: I can't read. We all know I can't read, okay,

990
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 2: so okay, friendly reminder, I can't read, so okay, I'm

991
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Speaker 2: pulling up my it's this one's kind of directed to

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00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: body about the Delphi murders.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so okay, bear with.

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00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 10: Me, Body, just a real quick top line of the

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Speaker 10: Delphi murders for someone out there who's not familiar.

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Speaker 3: I mean nothing, but yeah.

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00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 6: So Delphi murders were two teenage girls, Abby and Libby,

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Speaker 6: who were murdered while they were basically hiking and taking

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Speaker 6: photos of themselves, you know, being teenage girls, very young

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Speaker 6: teenage girls, in Delphi, Indiana, February thirteenth, twenty seventeen. And

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Speaker 6: the murder went unsolved for about six years, and the

1002
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 6: Internet was a buzz about it because the police department

1003
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Speaker 6: released snapchat, you know, pictures that Libby had taken of

1004
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 6: their hike that day, and in one of these, well

1005
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Speaker 6: it wasn't a snapchat video, but in one of these

1006
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Speaker 6: videos that Libby had taken that day was a suspect

1007
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 6: and so the Internet was really involved because the police

1008
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 6: department basically asked for help and identifying and they called

1009
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Speaker 6: him Bridge. And so, you know, back in the day

1010
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Speaker 6: in twenty seventeen, of course I see it and I'm like, oh, yeah,

1011
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 6: this is right at my alley, you know, so I

1012
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Speaker 6: joined and it was called a snapchat murderer back then

1013
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 6: before we knew anything really, And so that's the Delphi

1014
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 6: and the case was adjudicated last year in October, and

1015
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 6: Richard Allen was found guilty of the crime. They say

1016
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 6: that he was the lone killer. And you know, he

1017
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Speaker 6: was kind of a family guy who lived in Delphi, Indiana,

1018
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 6: who by the way, did not move even after the

1019
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 6: murders happened. And this is a really kind of a

1020
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 6: small town. And he was like the local CBS manager.

1021
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 2: This is like a case that was so close to

1022
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: your heart, right, Like this one is like deep dive Central.

1023
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 2: And I feel like I've asked you some of these

1024
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 2: questions behind closed doors, in between breaks and in our

1025
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 2: personal time. But okay, so I'm going to try to

1026
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 2: read this, Nicole. Please forgive me if i I'm just

1027
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 2: not a great out loud reader. So a little sauce

1028
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: behind I'm sure to be fine. I never get to

1029
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: read very well. Hi True Crime tonight. I have a

1030
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 2: comment for Talkback Tuesday. By the way, this is from Nicole.

1031
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: This weekend, I watched the Hulu documentary on the Delphi

1032
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 2: murders after Body talked about it a couple of weeks ago.

1033
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: Richard Allen, he's Richard Allen's the guy that's now behind bars.

1034
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: Has been convicted, but I believe there was too much

1035
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 2: reasonable doubt. Just my thoughts. I would love to have yours. Also,

1036
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 2: if you guys, if you I'm so sorry. If you

1037
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 2: guys decide to start selling swag and merch, oh yeah,

1038
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 2: I'm here for it and we'll buy it all I

1039
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 2: really went and allegedly, allegedly allegis watch it. By the way,

1040
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 2: who doesn't. By the way, this is a work in progress.

1041
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: This is a work in progress. This is a user

1042
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 2: generated because our listener who's making the sweatshirts. This is

1043
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 2: all happening real time. So on, Nicole, love you guys

1044
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 2: like the show. Thank you, Nicole.

1045
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 6: You know this is a hard one to answer, and

1046
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 6: it I did get a little you know too, in

1047
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 6: the we on this case and you know personally, right,

1048
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 6: like it affected me personally for some reason.

1049
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,240
Speaker 3: And you know, these were two beautiful, beautiful, sweet.

1050
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 6: And lovely children that were murdered brutally, and you know,

1051
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 6: there was a lot of twists and turns in the case.

1052
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 6: And you know, Libby and Abby were found in just

1053
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 6: a really really strange manner. Libby was nude and Abby

1054
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 6: was wearing Libby's clothes. There were just a lot of

1055
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 6: weird things in this case. And I'm going to say,

1056
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:42,479
Speaker 6: you know, I do think that there was reasonable doubt.

1057
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 6: I'm I'm the kind of person that believes in the

1058
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 6: justice system and I put a lot of faith into justice,

1059
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 6: and so for me to say that is painful, Like

1060
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 6: I don't I don't take any joy in saying that

1061
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 6: I think they got the wrong guy, because I just

1062
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 6: I'm confused. Okay, So this case when the court, when

1063
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 6: the trial happened, you know, there was it was the

1064
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 6: gag order was in. It was insane. Even the family

1065
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 6: was under gag. Okay, there were no cameras allowed in

1066
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 6: the courtroom, there was no audio allowed in the courtroom,

1067
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 6: so we had to rely on people that could get

1068
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 6: into this tiny little court room in ALPHI, and they

1069
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 6: were filled with defense lawyers, state lawyers, you know, people

1070
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 6: who are prosecutors, not necessarily in this case, but just

1071
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 6: kind of like they have the YouTube channel now kind

1072
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 6: of thing, and reporters, and so depending on who you

1073
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 6: listen to, it is how you kind of leaned. So

1074
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 6: you had to not only sit through the whole day

1075
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 6: of testimony and maybe get an update via Twitter when

1076
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 6: they were on a lunch break, but then you have

1077
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 6: to spend hours and hours and hours of your life

1078
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 6: listening to all different sides.

1079
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Speaker 3: Right just to find out the middle, just to find

1080
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 3: out the middle, and listen so many categories real time,

1081
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 3: so it's hard.

1082
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 6: I just feel like this case really shined a light

1083
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Speaker 6: on transparency and we need cameras local room.

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Speaker 2: I think, can I just I'm jumping in here. I

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Speaker 2: don't have a lot a lot of things a grand

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Speaker 2: stand on, and I don't I really try to, but

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Speaker 2: the cameras in the courtroom is one that I really

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Speaker 2: do think has consideration. I remember when this was all happening,

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Speaker 2: and this was a case so close to you and

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Speaker 2: really asking you around the.

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Speaker 3: Edges, what do you think, what do you think? What happened?

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Speaker 3: What do you think, and I saw it in your eyes.

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Speaker 2: How confusing it is, because it's hard to place a

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Speaker 2: judgment when you're not seeing people speak for themselves, or

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Speaker 2: you're not seeing jurors speak for themselves, especially in cases

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Speaker 2: that are so high profile.

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Speaker 3: This was the guy that was the geft down the bridge.

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Speaker 2: You know, we all heard that on repeat on the news,

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Speaker 2: go down the bridge. That was the accused Richard Allen, allegedly.

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Speaker 2: So he's now been convicted. He has a wife too,

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Speaker 2: and a family that was like, no way, Jose, right, But.

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Speaker 6: I will say people who are convinced he's guilty are

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Speaker 6: convinced he's guilty, and the people who are convinced he's

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Speaker 6: innocent are convinced he's innocent. And I feel like an idiot.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, I don't know what I believe anymore.

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Speaker 2: And the family is a little divided, right, Like both

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Speaker 2: families are families.

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Speaker 6: The families feel pretty good about the nicten. Yeah, they

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Speaker 6: feel are so with them one hundred percent, you know,

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Speaker 6: And and I lean towards looking to the family, right, like,

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Speaker 6: of course I'm going to take my guidance.

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Speaker 3: They're like the guidance star, but yours.

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Speaker 6: The family so I try to stay kind of quiet

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Speaker 6: about Delphi because I don't want to be disrespectful.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of where I stand. Yeah, it's so fair.

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Speaker 3: It's hard. It's a hard one.

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Speaker 4: Any that yeah, your DM bring yeah sorry.

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Speaker 3: Is assigning them.

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Speaker 4: I can't read it.

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Speaker 3: So I was on a touchy subject. But it's important stuff.

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Speaker 6: It is important and it's important to talk about. So

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Speaker 6: this one is from Sarah. Okay, and they don't have

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Speaker 6: where she's from, but it's from Sarah, and she says, yes,

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Speaker 6: keep telling the bees these stories. A lot of true

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Speaker 6: crime people stay away from them, but they are so

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Speaker 6: so important. Yes, nobody wants to hear about a child

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Speaker 6: being harmed, but their lives mattered, what happened to them matters,

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Speaker 6: and most of all, if we can identify how these

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Speaker 6: things happen to them, we can work to keep them

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Speaker 6: more safe in the future. You don't have to add

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Speaker 6: new information or have something profound to make a wave.

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Speaker 6: A wave be made by just one new person learning

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Speaker 6: about the story. Okay, So this is a conversation that

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Speaker 6: gave me chills. This is a conversation we've had internally. Right,

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Speaker 6: I feel like a weekly because I'm always like we

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Speaker 6: need to talk about this, and you know, it's like all.

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Speaker 3: These kids and it's like so hard, and like.

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Speaker 2: I'll speak for myself and I've said this, I said

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Speaker 2: this on the show. It's just what maybe this talkback

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Speaker 2: is in response to. By the way, thank you for it,

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Speaker 2: because we were opening the conversation of is it too much?

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Speaker 3: Is it hard? It's heavy?

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Speaker 2: You know at the end of the night or the

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Speaker 2: beginning of your day, whenever you're hearing us, is it like, ugh,

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Speaker 2: we're talking about babies and is it just I don't

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Speaker 2: know what the line is because of course we're talking

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Speaker 2: about very dark things, so it's not like one is

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Speaker 2: darker than the other.

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Speaker 3: But there's something about kids that's so triggering. And by

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Speaker 3: the way, as we make documentaries it is again, these

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Speaker 3: are like filters that we ask ourselves and I've asked

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Speaker 3: it to us.

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Speaker 2: We've all discussed it to nauseum. There's three stories around

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Speaker 2: children who have been murdered. Is that too much? So

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Speaker 2: we got our answer.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's hard. It's a really hard thing. It's a

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Speaker 6: fine line to walk in. We're doing the best we can.

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Speaker 6: We're going to continue to keep answering all your amazing

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Speaker 6: talk facts and DM keep it right here at True

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Speaker 6: Crime Tonight, We're talking true crime all the time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're

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Speaker 2: talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanielyidecker here with

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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong and Body Moving and welcome to Talk Back Tuesday. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: we are getting our talkbacks and they are so informative,

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01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 2: and your dms and your messages in general, you could

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01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 2: also you can just leave us a straight up old

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Speaker 2: school message eight eight eight three one crime twenty four

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Speaker 2: hours a day and we will get it and play

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Speaker 2: it on the show. And we've also been getting a

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Speaker 2: lot of tips and information about new cases, so keep

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Speaker 2: them coming.

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Speaker 3: We're so grateful to have them. And yeah, let's go

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Speaker 3: to another.

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Speaker 14: Hi, Stephanie, Body and Courtney. This is Ashley from Maine,

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Speaker 14: and I just wanted to say that I love your

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Speaker 14: show and listen to it every morning when I'm out

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Speaker 14: on my runs. I just listened to your show with

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Speaker 14: Jordan and it really hit me because one of the

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Speaker 14: first patients that I cared for as a new nurse

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Speaker 14: was a patient who was dealing with munchasm by proxy

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Speaker 14: with a little girl, and that has always stuck with

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Speaker 14: me as a really kind of defining experience in my nursing.

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Speaker 14: Something else that I wanted to burn up because Jordan

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Speaker 14: talked so much about how her healthcare providers knew what

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Speaker 14: was happening to her and tried to help Jordan, but

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Speaker 14: weren't able to do that despite many of them, you know,

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Speaker 14: writing letters and doing things like that. I've been in

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Speaker 14: those situations where we've had patients that we knew not

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Speaker 14: necessarily munch as and by practice, but we're being abused

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Speaker 14: in other ways by their parents, by their caregivers, and

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Speaker 14: no amount of reporting or telling you anyone that we

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Speaker 14: could was able to get them taken out of that

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Speaker 14: situation or taken away from those parents. And it's such

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Speaker 14: a difficult thing for us as healthcare providers to watch

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Speaker 14: that happen and to feel like we have this responsibility

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Speaker 14: for our patients and we're not meeting the responsibility that

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Speaker 14: we have. And we had a situation where I worked

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Speaker 14: where we actually lost a patient because of abuse at home,

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Speaker 14: and some of the nurses that I worked with stopped

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Speaker 14: working as nurses after that because they were so traumatized

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Speaker 14: and so upset by the fact that they had tried

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Speaker 14: so hard to get this baby taken from her parents

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Speaker 14: and taken out of this terrible situation and it didn't happen.

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Speaker 14: And I just that that really hit me when Jordan

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Speaker 14: was talking about dealing with that and about how they

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Speaker 14: have been able to speak with their healthcare providers as

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Speaker 14: an adult and form relationships with them, and I just

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Speaker 14: I think that's really special and I loved hearing that

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Speaker 14: from Jordan. So thank you guys.

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Speaker 4: What a beautiful, beautiful and thoughtful response to Jordan who

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Speaker 4: was on Jordan Hope who shared their story the still

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Speaker 4: story very great and Munchausen and you know that's heartbreaking

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Speaker 4: to hear. H what you just scribed talk about a

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Speaker 4: ripple effect. That's right, body, that's.

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Speaker 3: It's being on this show and sharing your story is

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Speaker 3: a ripple right.

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Speaker 4: But the nurses in this instance stepping back and not

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Speaker 4: even being able to do their job because the injustice

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Speaker 4: seems so great.

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Speaker 6: It's really frustration, profound and profound like sense of loss

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Speaker 6: that they must feel having to step away from their

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Speaker 6: career by the way, which they've studied for and gone

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Speaker 6: to nursing school.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I mean it's it's rough. Nurses have

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Speaker 3: a rough job, Nurses a artist job.

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Speaker 6: Talk about with firefighters for me, nurses, are you know

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Speaker 6: my gosh.

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Speaker 4: I have a friend who has for many, many, many

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Speaker 4: years she cares in the nick you the neonatal, I

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Speaker 4: see you. And finally, after something like fifteen years, her body,

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Speaker 4: you guys talk about the body tells the story. Her

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Speaker 4: body was just couldn't handle all of the anguish of

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Speaker 4: these babies.

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Speaker 2: The body keeps the score, right, that's the book. I

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Speaker 2: don't know who the author is, but we should get that.

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Speaker 2: But if that's a thing, but imagine, yeah, this Munchausen's

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Speaker 2: by proxy and case that really ripped all of our

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Speaker 2: hearts out and I hadn't heard it described so clearly before.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's it's interesting that we're all sort of

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Speaker 2: kind of leaning in to the same thing. And imagine

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Speaker 2: being a healthcare provider and your job is to sell

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Speaker 2: sad things every single day. Your job is to help,

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Speaker 2: and then you see where help is needed and it

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Speaker 2: can't be met. That's harrowing. So what a great listen,

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Speaker 2: shout out to all the healthcare givers. That's the liri

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Speaker 2: here for real.

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Speaker 4: What a job.

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Speaker 2: What an investment and what a dedication and it's really inspiring.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you so much for that talk back. This

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Speaker 6: is true Granton. I on iHeartRadio, we're talking true crime

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Speaker 6: all the time. I'm Buddy Moving and I'm here with

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Speaker 6: Courtney and Steph and since talkback Tuesday, we're getting all

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Speaker 6: your talkbacks in. Let's go to another one right now.

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Speaker 15: Hey, ladies, it's Insley from Canada. I have a question

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Speaker 15: about in cells. I listened to the podcast where you

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Speaker 15: have talked about in cells now being classified as terrorists.

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Speaker 15: But I had thought an order for a terrorist group

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Speaker 15: to be considered terrorists, they must need a source of funding.

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Speaker 15: And if that's the case, just do these in cells

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Speaker 15: also have a source of illegal funding somehow? Anyways, looking

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Speaker 15: forward to listening to you next by.

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Speaker 3: Really good question though, thank you very much. Should be

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Speaker 3: so clever.

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Speaker 4: I can speak to that. The Southern Poverty Law Center

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Speaker 4: has put out several sort of bulletins or alerts about

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Speaker 4: in cells and they have been noted by other sources

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Speaker 4: like the Southern Poverty Law Center as dangerous potentials to

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Speaker 4: watch as terrorism. So the funding is really interesting, though,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to need to look into that because go ahead, Stephanie.

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Speaker 2: Here's the question, where is the money coming from? We

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Speaker 2: know that anything on the dark web and body jump

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Speaker 2: in if you disagree. There is conversation, there's chatter, it's

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Speaker 2: group thought.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Air quotes community in many cases specifically to in Cells,

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Speaker 2: which is the podcast that's at right now. It's a community, right,

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Speaker 2: it's looking for disenfranchised young men to aggregate their thoughts.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, there is always an advertiser.

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Speaker 2: There is a dollar to be made on every single

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Speaker 2: thing we're consuming, all of us. If there's not a commercial,

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Speaker 2: there's an ad If there's not a bad there's a reefing,

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Speaker 2: whether it's in Cells or otherwise.

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Speaker 3: I was just in a store. I said this to Courtney.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, I had a storm.

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Speaker 2: I was in a storm the other night and I

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Speaker 2: was thinking about how scared I was in the lightning.

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Speaker 2: I wake up in the morning because my phone is

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Speaker 2: next in my bed and there's all this advertisement for

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Speaker 2: things to buy to survive the lightning. It's an advertisers game,

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Speaker 2: and I think for me that's the scariest thing. It's

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Speaker 2: all it's not conversation, it's how to create a conversation

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Speaker 2: that would equal money and advertising.

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Speaker 6: And I think it's important to note too, so the

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Speaker 6: United States government has not classified them as terrorists, but

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Speaker 6: organizations that track like domestic terrorism are kind of leaning

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Speaker 6: into that, right. And it's interesting remember that guy in

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Speaker 6: Canada who cited Elliott Rogers on his Facebook post that

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Speaker 6: killed those people, Yes.

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Speaker 3: Alex Fanasian, Yeah, when he would thank you for that.

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Speaker 3: When he.

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Speaker 6: Was charged in the fatal stabbing, they levied terrorism offenses

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Speaker 6: citing his idea, his in cell ideology. So Canada is

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Speaker 6: you know, but that's Canada, it's not the United States, right,

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Speaker 6: So we're not at the point where you know, funding

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Speaker 6: is actually even a concern because the United States government

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Speaker 6: hasn't really classified them as terrorists.

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Speaker 4: Just as you said, watch list, but you know, also

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Speaker 4: a secret Service report there was one I can point

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Speaker 4: to sure details growing in cell terrorism. So it is

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Speaker 4: something that is being watched.

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Speaker 2: Right And for what it's worth just to jump in

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Speaker 2: on where Courtney is saying, and cells is a really

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Speaker 2: important Listen, Courtney or I'm strong, You've done an extraordinary job.

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Speaker 2: Body as you contribute, I contribute, But Courtney at the

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Speaker 2: Helm and Connor Powell like, you've really done an incredible

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Speaker 2: unpack of a very important topic that we all like

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Speaker 2: to see slices of.

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Speaker 3: In our life. But this is a deep dive.

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Speaker 2: And once you enter the deep dive, you're like, oh

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Speaker 2: my god, I'm in this. This is a it's not

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Speaker 2: so far away, it's here, and it's actually in my

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Speaker 2: purview and and it's really shocking and staggering, and I

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Speaker 2: think it's a really important listen.

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Speaker 6: And yet it doesn't hasn't done a really good job

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Speaker 6: of taking like the super complicated and nuanced topic and

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Speaker 6: making it like palatable for you know, normis let's say.

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Speaker 4: Correct, right, yes, absolutely, you want to know.

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Speaker 3: You got to listen. Listen.

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Speaker 2: I listened down and I'm like, as a dummy test like,

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Speaker 2: I have a question as a dummy. I have a

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Speaker 2: question as a dummy. And I'm not saying that disparagingly,

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Speaker 2: but as a regular functional monk. By the way, I

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Speaker 2: have access to all these things, but I'm learning new

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Speaker 2: information real time as a human being in the world,

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Speaker 2: so I'm always flagging like I don't understand that I

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Speaker 2: didn't realize that can explain that further. I've never worked

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Speaker 2: in a on a podcast that required more of that.

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Speaker 2: You know, usually we start a case and we start

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01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 2: unpeeling it, and I'm peeling it and like looking at

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Speaker 2: it together. This is like a substite that's you know,

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Speaker 2: it's not somewhere else, it's here, it's in your hand, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it has been so revealing, and as you said,

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Speaker 4: it's stuff that is happening now in our communities, largely

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Speaker 4: without knowledge, and it does feel really important. And also

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Speaker 4: thank you very much for the kind word, Stephanie. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: this is a lot to take in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, mind blowing, right, I understand we have another topic.

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Speaker 16: Hey, y'all, Gigi here, you're currently speaking about Lover soccer

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01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 16: Killer and body said something about there should have been

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Speaker 16: a red flag. There were no red flags for him.

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01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 16: He was brand new in the dating game. Again, he

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01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 16: was probably just so excited he was going out with

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Speaker 16: two different women. You know, there's been years he was

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Speaker 16: in a marriage, So.

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Speaker 4: No red flags.

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Speaker 16: But what a triangle that poor soul got caught up in.

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Speaker 12: Such a good watch.

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Speaker 6: Thanks, Yeah, I want to make sure you understand I

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Speaker 6: definitely blaming him like at all. I think I even

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Speaker 6: said he had just been in this relationship for a

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Speaker 6: long time and gotten out of it. How was he

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Speaker 6: supposed to know how to navigate all these crazy ladies.

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Speaker 3: Right, these crazy chicks. That's crazy. Wait, nobody can navigate that.

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Speaker 3: It was Tah so crushed to the game red Flags.

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Speaker 2: We should do a segment about red flags.

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Speaker 3: Why do you say?

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Speaker 2: By the way, I wish you could have a visual

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Speaker 2: and as Taha perfect as always and I are both

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Speaker 2: wearing weighted vests right now, which is like the sort

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Speaker 2: of a tradition we're starting.

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Speaker 3: Hers is like a little war intense. I'm like, I'm leaning.

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Speaker 2: In, but technically you got it for me, so like

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Speaker 2: you're we're trading places right now. And body is doing

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Speaker 2: like a face sculpting thing. I'm not doing anything that

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Speaker 2: I just started. I was brushing my hair with my comb.

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Speaker 3: It's hot. I she has the best hair ever.

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Speaker 2: But yes, I wish we were all sitting around the

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Speaker 2: same table, anyone in the sound of my voice, wearing

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Speaker 2: our little vated weighted vests and yeah.

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Speaker 4: And yes mine is. I completely admit It's it's ridiculous overkill.

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Speaker 4: It's just to keep shoulders back because human inclination when

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01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 4: you're in conversations is to lean forward.

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Speaker 10: That's what I'm doing.

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Speaker 4: And then if you're old, you get tennis elbow, we

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Speaker 4: get hunched. Yeah, yeah, no hunch backs up here.

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Speaker 3: I need to get well. We're not going to have it.

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Speaker 3: We're like steaming up against the machine right now.

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01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 4: And physically standing up and standing desks. There's a lot

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Speaker 4: going on. Exclamation point.

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Speaker 3: I'm just working.

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Speaker 10: I'm going I shall do it if everyone else gets one.

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Speaker 4: But you're anyways perfect to another talk back.

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Speaker 10: Let's do it, hey.

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Speaker 13: All some Bama. So in the Unknown Numbers documentary, I

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01:13:53,640 --> 01:14:01,839
Speaker 13: couldn't comprehend why the officers would let's daughter know, Lauren

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Speaker 13: know that her mother was doing these things in front

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Speaker 13: of her mother. I know, I feel like that should

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Speaker 13: have been information they told her.

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Speaker 4: Why wasn't around her?

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Speaker 3: Were dad?

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Speaker 13: I just would like to know, from y'all's point interviews,

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01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 13: why would they do that in front of the parents,

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01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 13: especially the parent that's being accused of doing these things?

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01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 13: And is that the right way to do that?

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Speaker 4: Yill me, it was so egregious. I think we all

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01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 4: we were all literally hands in the air when you

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01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:37,640
Speaker 4: said that it was egregious. I don't know how anyone

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01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 4: if you can defend that officer's action. Give us a

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01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 4: call eighty to eighty three to one crime. Who's ridiculous

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01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 4: from top to bottom everything that he appeared. They should have.

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Speaker 3: Told your dad first and let the dad talked of

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01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 3: the daughter. Right.

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01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 4: We were talking.

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Speaker 3: About this earlier, even a minor.

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Speaker 2: Not only was she a minor, we were watching Mom,

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01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:05,440
Speaker 2: creepy Mom, who's actually the assailant in this case, the perpetrator,

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01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 2: let's be real, consoling her victim real time on camera.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was so horrifying. Honestly, it will go

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Speaker 2: down in my head as one of the saddest, scariest

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Speaker 2: things I've seen. Again, we talked, we just talked about

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Speaker 2: this earlier. It's that Gaby Potito moment. It's this moment

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Speaker 2: of sweet Laurence and the influence of mom and realizing

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01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 2: that she's been torturing her for months.

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Speaker 4: Dad walks in and is like the whole family.

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Speaker 10: Destroyed right there on camera in front of each other. Which, yeah,

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Speaker 10: I did not understand why an officer would do that,

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Speaker 10: and it didn't make sense.

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Speaker 4: And also why the officer did not separate them and

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01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 4: something that is that incendiary if it's any type of

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01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 4: potential and I'm not saying anyone was hitting anyone. There's

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Speaker 4: no indication, but that could call a sane and calm

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01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 4: and pacifist person to throw a swing. And Dad was

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Speaker 4: the only same one who said we need to be

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01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 4: apart right now before something goes wrong. He was also

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Speaker 4: should never have done it.

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Speaker 6: I'm so proud of him for being self aware about that.

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01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 6: Busy you're here like here, hats off to Dad. You know,

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Speaker 6: if we can give a compliment there, it is one

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01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:19,799
Speaker 6: hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: Keep it right here.

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Speaker 6: True Crime Tonight, We're going to continue to answer all

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Speaker 6: of your amazing talkbacks true Crime Tonight. We're talking true

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01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 6: crime all the time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight and iHeartRadio. We're talking

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01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Liidegger here with

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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong.

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Speaker 3: Body move in. It's Talkback Tuesday, everybody.

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01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 2: We have been hitting up some very serious talkbacks so

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01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 2: and some dm so. Any way you want to reach us,

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01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,600
Speaker 2: we will get them and we will share it with

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01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 2: the audience. Let's go right to another one right now.

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Speaker 17: Jared again, maybe you guys can take a look at

1453
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 17: the Sherry Iroley murder and the Michael Frankie murder where

1454
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 17: Frank Gable was exonerated after spending many years in prison

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01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 17: for the murder. Frankie's brother basically ruined his life trying

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01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 17: to solve the murder. Maybe you can.

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Speaker 12: Take a look.

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01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 17: Thank you love the show.

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01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 3: Bye perfect example.

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01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 4: I love that.

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01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,639
Speaker 10: I like when get suggestions like this, So do.

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Speaker 3: You, Michael Frankie. I don't know, Michael Frankie.

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Speaker 6: I do know a little bit about Sherry she I

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01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 6: think it happened in the eighties and she was in

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01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,759
Speaker 6: Oregon and she was delivering pizza.

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Speaker 4: Right, Oh that's right. This one happened on the fourth

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Speaker 4: of July, and it was delivered to a fake and stress.

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Speaker 10: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 4: Details delivery.

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Speaker 10: I was in a nutshell she it was. She was

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Speaker 10: an eighteen year old pizza delivery girl in Salem, Oregon.

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Speaker 10: She vanished on July fourth while delivering to a fake address.

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Speaker 10: Initially the suspect Daryl J. Wilson, he was implicated in

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01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:16,520
Speaker 10: the murder. Wilson, who knew Sherry, later died by suicide

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01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 10: after meeting with the police, But now he's no longer

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01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:23,640
Speaker 10: considered a suspect because there was a cold case breakthrough.

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01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 10: It looks as though later, Scott William Scott Smith confessed

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01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 10: to the murder, and he revealed that he had another

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01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 10: accomplice he abducted and murdered Sherry. So basically, in twenty

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Speaker 10: two thousand and seven, he pleaded, he pled guilty to

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Speaker 10: the murder and received the life sentence. So that's basically

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01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 10: like an overview of the whole case, but it has

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01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 10: a button to it, but it is when we can

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Speaker 10: dig into further in the future episode.

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Speaker 6: I'm very interested in the brother situation because it sounds

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01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 6: to me like this guy got convicted and the brother

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01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 6: drove him self kind of nuts trying to figure out

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01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 6: the real killer. That's kind of the impersson I got

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Speaker 6: from the talk back. I don't know anything about the

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Speaker 6: case though, I don't that case. I don't know anything.

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Speaker 3: Let's dig in.

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01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be very interested as well, and I could

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Speaker 4: see myself going down that route if my sister was

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Speaker 4: in prison. How can I sleep a night?

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Speaker 2: By the way, have you guys ever seen the movie?

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01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 2: I've said this to according too many times and body

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Speaker 2: probably you two a million times as well.

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Speaker 3: Conviction with Samuel. I love the sector. I'm spacing on

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01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 3: it right now. White Lotus. He was just in it.

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Speaker 2: He like Sam Shepherd, Sam Sam Shepherd and Hilary Swan.

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Speaker 3: And it's called conviction.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes remember and this is oh it's so it

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01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 2: changed part of me thinks I work in true crime

1504
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 2: because of this.

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01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 3: Movie and the Shawshank Redemption.

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Speaker 2: The two of those movies like shifted something that I

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01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 2: just didn't understand. Maybe I saw it and maybe that

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01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 2: like opened a door little bit because it wasn't in

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Speaker 2: my world. But Conviction is basically about a sister. It's

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Speaker 2: a true story.

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Speaker 3: A young girl whose brother.

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01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 2: Who she's crazy for, is accused of something that he

1513
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 2: says he didn't commit, and there's a lot of evidence

1514
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 2: to suggest he did. And he's arrested and it goes

1515
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 2: and it goes and it goes, and the sister, despite

1516
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 2: everybody telling her otherwise, she's like, hell no, I feel

1517
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:28,879
Speaker 2: convicted that he is innocent.

1518
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 3: I trust him. And she puts herself.

1519
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 2: Through high school, and she puts herself through her associate's degree,

1520
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:37,560
Speaker 2: and then through college.

1521
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:39,839
Speaker 3: Oh guess what, Then through law school.

1522
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 2: She literally becomes a lawyer to defend her what seems

1523
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 2: like a very guilty brother, and then she gets him off.

1524
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 3: He was fully convicted.

1525
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 4: Sorry, oh, Sephany talks about it all the time. Sam,

1526
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 4: what do you got though? You're chomping at the mic?

1527
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 3: Jump in there, Stephanie. Do you mean Sam Rockwell? Oh yeah,

1528
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 3: Sam Rockwell, Sam Shepherd, Yes, fair so fair. By the way,

1529
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:08,600
Speaker 3: Sam is my only he He loves me because he

1530
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 3: corrects me when I say the Joker and I said,

1531
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 3: like the gig alert like I always say wrong. Yeah,

1532
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 3: yeah I did say that. Never said that. You did say,

1533
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 3: like in.

1534
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 4: My head, what's that Joker movie?

1535
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, joke, it's called the Joker. Yeah yeah, yeah

1536
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 3: yeah Sam, No, he gets me, but yes, you're right,

1537
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:34,719
Speaker 3: Sam Shepherd, Sam Rockwell, Rockwell, listen, I.

1538
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 2: See the world in a very specific lens, so welcome

1539
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 2: to my party.

1540
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 6: In my listen, I'm going to be the Joker for

1541
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 6: Halloween and I'm just going to have like a flavor

1542
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 6: flame style like necklace on that says the Giggler.

1543
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 3: That's good. That has sent me over the edge. Yeah,

1544
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:54,639
Speaker 3: it was like, oh, that's not exactly what you meant

1545
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 3: to say, but I hear where you were going with.

1546
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 3: I love that correct So thank you Sam.

1547
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 2: But yes, Sam Rockwell, who doesn't love Sam Rockwell, you've

1548
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 2: seen White Notice just now, that incredible monologue that he

1549
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 2: said anyway a movie worth watching because it was to

1550
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 2: speak to the testament of the complicated relationship between a

1551
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 2: sibling or a family member.

1552
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 6: And not only that, but like wrong wrongful convictions like

1553
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 6: that is kind of a theme the houses, like breaking

1554
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 6: news this week, right, Like how many wrongful convictions did

1555
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:32,440
Speaker 6: they have in that case where they were false asortions? Yeah,

1556
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 6: so you know, this is kind of like a running thing.

1557
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 6: Maybe we should cover some wrongful conviction or not wrong

1558
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:40,480
Speaker 6: but false confessions.

1559
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, false confessions out wrongful convictions. It's a it's a

1560
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 2: tough it's a tough ride, and I honestly think that

1561
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 2: we all I'm gonna speak for myself, the idea of

1562
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 2: wrongful conviction is so incredibly scary to anyone. And by

1563
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 2: the way, sometimes who has the best lawyer? Right, so

1564
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 2: we most find yourself.

1565
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1566
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 2: By the way, imagine you are just without money and

1567
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 2: being accused of something and they have to go to

1568
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 2: work on Tuesday. It's a Monday, and your family has

1569
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 2: to now get involved and take off work.

1570
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 3: Everybody's now broke and can't afford a lawyer. And now

1571
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 3: you're all the things. Let me tell you still in.

1572
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 6: The words with Ai, I'm terrified of it, like somebody

1573
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 6: can create, like maybe some CCTV of me breaking into

1574
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 6: a bank.

1575
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 3: I don't know, oh ring camera footage.

1576
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 11: My god.

1577
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 3: I didn't even say this, but I fell.

1578
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 6: I listen. I fell for my first Dai video. Okay,

1579
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 6: I normally don't fall for those. But there was TikTok

1580
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 6: there was a video film I feel Okay, there was

1581
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 6: a video of bunnies bouncing on a trampoline and I

1582
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 6: was like, oh.

1583
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 3: That's so cute, and I just kept strolling.

1584
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 6: Well, I learned the next day that it was Ai,

1585
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 6: and I was like, oh my god, am I going

1586
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 6: to start sending my money to the print of Nigeria?

1587
01:23:58,400 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 3: Am I? Like?

1588
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 6: Is this is my life now? Am I the woman

1589
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,680
Speaker 6: who thinks that you know, things are real when they're not?

1590
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 6: And then I started thinking like, oh, oh my god,

1591
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 6: I'm gonna get set up for a crime that was

1592
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 6: like where I went immediately.

1593
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 2: How interesting you say that because it's a soft launch.

1594
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 2: Right first, it's bunny, it is jumping on into it

1595
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 2: bel and we're like, yeah, it's so cute. Now we

1596
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 2: just I just read this in the news today. I'm

1597
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 2: sure you guys did as well. About an actress, yes,

1598
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 2: who's generated by AI. By the way, could she be

1599
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 2: more beautiful? She's perfect, of course. And there's an actress who's.

1600
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 3: Literally not real. She's AI.

1601
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 2: Tilly Wood is her name, would and now she's up

1602
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:39,679
Speaker 2: for castings to be you know, and likely who needs

1603
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 2: an action star? Why as a you know, you think

1604
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 2: the Tom Cruise is and the people that are in

1605
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 2: the Tom Cruise esque movies, the Jason Bourns, the Matt

1606
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 2: Damons who are like yeah yeah, or the Charlie's their

1607
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 2: own who I worship and they like throw themselves off

1608
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 2: the highest building on you know, they put their lives

1609
01:24:56,400 --> 01:25:00,080
Speaker 2: in jeopardy with great insurance attached to it to like

1610
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:03,599
Speaker 2: make this movie feel real. And now there's an AI

1611
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 2: actress who just jump is like, I would like to

1612
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 2: be hired. You don't have to stress about any of

1613
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 2: that stuff. There's no insurance. I'll memorize my lines like

1614
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 2: that in an instant.

1615
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:17,640
Speaker 3: I'm perfect, a beautiful yeah yeah.

1616
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:21,759
Speaker 2: My makeup is perfect, And I wonder can that actress

1617
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 2: really give emotion? Like I have to assume that there

1618
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 2: is a very key difference between AI and like like

1619
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 2: the real thing right, Like there's there's no double of

1620
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 2: body moving in courtney or I'm strong, like good luck

1621
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 2: finding it to a ganger of those two. One of

1622
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 2: me is how you included? Tell how you included? I'm

1623
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 2: a diamond.

1624
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:46,599
Speaker 3: Doesn't know, but like that's a real thing. It's happening,

1625
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 3: real now, It's happening right now.

1626
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 10: I'm telling you guys, the guy who did the Taylor

1627
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 10: swift like yes, change, Oh my god, that yeah.

1628
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 3: Body told us about it. I went and checked it out.

1629
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 3: I was like, in my dude, like this I would

1630
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:00,719
Speaker 3: have never ever caught.

1631
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 6: I went back and I watched this bunny video because

1632
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 6: I literally was questioning my sanity. I was like literally

1633
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 6: like I'm gonna fall for you know, the Prince of

1634
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 6: Nigeria scam and I'm gonna say fortune swindlard.

1635
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be tender swindlard for sure.

1636
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 4: Look is that me?

1637
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 1: Is that me?

1638
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 4: Now?

1639
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 3: Am I? Am I? That woman? Am I that age?

1640
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:18,720
Speaker 4: Am I?

1641
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 1: That?

1642
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 5: Do?

1643
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 4: I need to contact my nieces and be like watch

1644
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:23,480
Speaker 4: my finances?

1645
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 3: Like what is happening?

1646
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 4: I was? I was totally duped.

1647
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 18: I saw us by my first AI video is like

1648
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:34,679
Speaker 18: some penguin with an airline ticket, like that was being.

1649
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 3: You know, I just scrolled by it on Twitter.

1650
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 4: I was like, man, that's crazy. This penguin's trying to

1651
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 4: get on a plane.

1652
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 3: And penguin was like trying to like go across to

1653
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:45,759
Speaker 3: another place. I was like, that's terrible.

1654
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 4: Why won't pay penguin AI?

1655
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was totally AI.

1656
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 2: And my mom says, like I get videos all the

1657
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:56,679
Speaker 2: time and leave it from DMS, but like I feel

1658
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 2: I would not have fallen for that. Noengwin, Adam and

1659
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:01,720
Speaker 2: I were convinced.

1660
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 3: That peng was going. Penguin holding an airline ticket? Is

1661
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 3: this is different? Love forever?

1662
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 2: Those little penguins, can't they go in a little honeymoons.

1663
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 3: They make for life. They hold their little fins.

1664
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 4: But body, you say that a penguin would never hold

1665
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 4: an airline ticket. I understand what you were talking about

1666
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 4: is AI, But many many many years ago, one of

1667
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 4: my favorite things I've ever seen in my life is

1668
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 4: this penguin and he would get his owners would put

1669
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 4: a little backpack on him, and he would walk himself

1670
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 4: in the neighborhood to the fish store. They would take

1671
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 4: the money that was in the backpack, put the fish

1672
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:40,759
Speaker 4: to bring home, give him a snack. He'd go home,

1673
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 4: Mom and dad give him a little bath. This guy

1674
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 4: was running errands. This guy is real.

1675
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:49,759
Speaker 3: I mean yes, I'd be like, like what happens?

1676
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 4: That's why mom and.

1677
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 3: Dad gave me sure that that's where.

1678
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 4: I feel like that.

1679
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 3: I don't know that he was running errands. It was

1680
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:02,759
Speaker 3: crazy that I was getting to the airport down, getting

1681
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 3: fish at the.

1682
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 6: Door, shopping and doing one second, you're telling me this

1683
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 6: penguin it's just running around the streets in New York.

1684
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 3: He was doing a.

1685
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 4: Wellness check somewhere in Japan. I'm gonna find this video.

1686
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:17,719
Speaker 4: I am finding this video.

1687
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 10: I want to see it, Okay, I mean it's possible,

1688
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 10: you know, I guess anything is possible.

1689
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:25,640
Speaker 2: I need to out my mom. But she's obsessed with

1690
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 2: like a monkey called BB. And BB is a monkey

1691
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 2: then and like it got shut down right, Bobe's no

1692
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 2: more like BB. There were like no more BB in

1693
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 2: an outphit like I don't know. She just got such

1694
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 2: a joy out of seeing BB, like get dressed and

1695
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 2: like have a banana and bib. It was in home, right,

1696
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 2: so Bieber's a little monkey. I'm sorry, she's in Dubai.

1697
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:51,680
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, and she's so cute you could

1698
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 2: lose your mind. So you don't like people having and

1699
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 2: I think that the thing. So I think they got

1700
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 2: taken away. But is the penguin allowed to run?

1701
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 4: I'm looking at two thousand and eight adorable pet peng

1702
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 4: when in Japan goes shopping for fish, and why.

1703
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:07,720
Speaker 3: Can't monkeys do?

1704
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 17: Like?

1705
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 3: Why can't monkeys also running? It's terrible. I'm not allowed

1706
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 3: for either of them.

1707
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 4: Yea, I need one of those.

1708
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 6: Let me be real, though, I need a little personal

1709
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 6: assistant monkey with a little backpack.

1710
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 2: With a little backpack, not with your name on it.

1711
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 2: We learned that last no an anonymous backpack.

1712
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:33,559
Speaker 3: Wow. Okay, we went off on a tangent. Sorry, And

1713
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 3: I just know I'm.

1714
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 6: Just saying, like AI is becoming so advanced, Like I

1715
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 6: feel I have a young mind. Okay, I feel that

1716
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 6: I feel like I can tell the difference between a

1717
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 6: I like, I feel like very Internet savvy. You know

1718
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:49,799
Speaker 6: I have a degree and all this. You know I'm

1719
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 6: educated in this. They fell for the thing, rabbits.

1720
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:55,680
Speaker 3: I'm literally writing a check to Nigeria right now.

1721
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 10: No, well, I'm more afraid that, like what if it's

1722
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 10: like a political figure or something. They start to use

1723
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 10: a person like evacuate now and it's a face of

1724
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 10: like someone that I don't know that runs a city.

1725
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 3: They like take over televisions.

1726
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 18: I get freaked out because it's like whatever wherever the

1727
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 18: technology is with AI now is probably like years ahead

1728
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Speaker 18: of what's available to the public too, So it's like

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Speaker 18: who knows who know? It's what they picked up and

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Speaker 18: we would never know.

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Speaker 6: Okay, let me just sell you. Courtney just texted me

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Speaker 6: the video of the penguin. I just want you to know.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to show you.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to show you how of this text change.

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Speaker 4: Watch.

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Speaker 3: I never know how to use my phone.

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Speaker 2: By the way, that is the cutest penguin running a

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Speaker 2: quick at his back.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he just walks from home, not a busy string

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Speaker 4: to the fish market.

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Speaker 2: Wait, how I see on dry land? I thought penguin

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Speaker 2: is so cute.

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Speaker 10: A little slow though, if I'm hoping I'm not hurt.

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Speaker 4: Logo, Adam and Sam, if you could have any animal

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Speaker 4: run errands for you?

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Speaker 3: Is that a person in an outphae?

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Speaker 4: Oh boy, I mean the penguin doesn't sound bad. I

1748
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:11,719
Speaker 4: empathize with penguin.

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Speaker 2: They love each other for life, by the way, penguins

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Speaker 2: for life, and they mate. They fall in love first

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Speaker 2: time and then they hold little the hold hands ever.

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Speaker 3: Lobsters, I think you too. My new favorite eagles too.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how.

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Speaker 18: Well they'd be at running errands, but I like the

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Speaker 18: the fat little badgers.

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Speaker 4: I think are really cute with them. Yes, it's real cute.

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Speaker 3: I have a little hedgehog in trouble. I have a

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Speaker 3: little hedgehogs in my backyard.

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Speaker 2: He's like a little like he's like a little like

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Speaker 2: chunky bum and he comes out in the hedgehogs whatever.

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Speaker 3: That is all right?

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Speaker 2: Well, we went off the rails, we really did. We

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Speaker 2: sure did good. Okay, so any animal, Sam, you have

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Speaker 2: to have my back on this one.

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Speaker 3: Think Sam has it's hard, but we all went south

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Speaker 3: from there. I'm sorry, everybody. Fair, It's totally fair. So noted.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow we'll be back on the rails. I promise, thank

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Speaker 2: you for the great night. And listen, there's so much

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Speaker 2: to unpack with Diddy their upcoming hearing. And listen that

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Speaker 2: David case continues true Crime tonight. Have a great one

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Speaker 2: back