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Speaker 2: It's a lot of fun at Connie Willis Live. All right,

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Speaker 2: let's get back to it. Sharon Day is with us,

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Speaker 2: a screenwriter, popular blogger of ghost Hunting Theories. Go to

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Speaker 2: ghost Hunting Theories dot com to learn more. She's also

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Speaker 2: got another one groovy new life. Yeah, I got to

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Speaker 2: look into that a little bit deeper for you. A

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Speaker 2: paranormal investigator, author of two dozen books. I don't know

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Speaker 2: how she has time to do anything, and she's, uh,

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Speaker 2: what else are you doing? Well? You're up with me tonight.

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Speaker 2: That's cool. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, apparently I never sleep, so why not?

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Speaker 2: I know, I hear when you do sleep, though, you're

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Speaker 2: hanging up by your toes upside down and.

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Speaker 3: Pretty much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry. I was not supposed to mention that.

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Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. I'll get slapped on the hand for

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Speaker 2: that one.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well song, stay away from that guano stuff. Man,

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Speaker 2: you might find mummies under it though. Okay, so let's

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Speaker 2: let's go back. I got to ask you this. We

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Speaker 2: do have people that are calling in, so we'll grab

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Speaker 2: some phone calls here too in a minute. But what

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Speaker 2: is up with this sonian? What? I don't get it?

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Speaker 2: I mean, okay, so, so you had mentioned something about

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Speaker 2: them first, but then the second time you mentioned it,

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Speaker 2: and I think it was on a second story, you

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Speaker 2: had said that they had actually offered money and the

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Speaker 2: and the people said no, it's not enough. Now, I

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Speaker 2: I didn't even know they would offer money. I thought

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think these guys, if it's true

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Speaker 3: that they had come across this kind of treasure that

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Speaker 3: And I think that anybody that found something like that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean I thought that just I didn't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think from what these guys were saying too,

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Speaker 3: But the Smithsonian didn't pursue them. I think they figured

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know a lot of these giant finds

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly right.

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Speaker 3: It's sad because I mean, we're now that shouldn't scare people.

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Speaker 3: You know that they're digging up in Africa or they're

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Speaker 2: One of the one of our coast listeners wrote in

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Speaker 2: and said, show me the mummy.

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Speaker 3: I know, actually, do you have a researcher who actually

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Speaker 2: Could you imagine going into some sort of cave and

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Speaker 3: And we run into issues with repatriotate repatriation, like the

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Speaker 3: shouldn't really necessarily go to them. But they just made

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Speaker 3: And that's another way the Smithsonian can be sure that

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Speaker 2: Let's go to first time color Mike. Let's go to

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Speaker 2: Mike out of Lexington, Kentucky. First time color. Hey there, Mike,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Coast to Coast.

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Speaker 4: Hello Donnie, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good? Hey, I like that accent of yours that

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Speaker 2: sounds like back home.

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Speaker 4: Well go big Blue Crow.

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Speaker 2: Hello there, Micro, I know Micro professional broadcaster friend Blue

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Speaker 2: Rocker Cadet and Coast listener.

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Speaker 4: Well, I've been on Coast too.

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Speaker 2: You have you. That's right, you've been a guest on here.

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Speaker 2: You caught me off guard. Anyway, go ahead, No, that's good.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you're calling in.

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Speaker 4: I think with Sharon, I think she's already answered my question.

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Speaker 4: But let's see for sure. And then I have a

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Speaker 4: story about local finding of mummies here, if that's okay. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: the story I read is that the Smithsonian actually went

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Speaker 3: Actually, the stories are that they did get in there

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Speaker 3: wouldn't have left that stuff to just say. Once they

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Speaker 4: Right, if there were stairs down to the water, there

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Speaker 3: So sure, it's just intriguing. I mean, the more I

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Speaker 4: published I think in eighteen forty. Now, Lexington was founded

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Speaker 4: story of early pioneers finding a cave where downtown Lexington

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Speaker 4: of Pigby's stature. So, and you know, I was a

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Speaker 4: found that passage. Now, being the nosy guy I am,

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Speaker 4: I was asking around and the guy that was in

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Speaker 4: when he was a child, yes, there was a cave there.

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Speaker 4: So the actual location of the cave had been verified.

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Speaker 4: But I could not find anything else about verification of

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Speaker 4: find what they referred to as money, and it just

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Speaker 4: seems that it would be hard to disprove that to

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Speaker 4: me that you found in your search.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting what you're talking about. I had not

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Speaker 3: heard of that case, but One of my favorite research

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Speaker 3: books is The Natural and Aboriginal History of Tennessee by

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Speaker 3: John Haywood, And these were findings from the seventeen hundreds

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Speaker 3: digging up in Tennessee a graveyard of these pygmy people

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Speaker 3: that were about around two feet tall, and there were

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Speaker 3: hundreds of these graves, and nearby there was also what

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Speaker 3: they found a graveyard basically giants. So the two seemed

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Speaker 3: to be together in that region. And there's just a

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Speaker 3: lot we're missing about the history of this land and

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Speaker 3: who was here first actually around the globe when you

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Speaker 3: think about it, because I think we can all agree

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Speaker 3: that the megalithic structure show there was some other culture

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Speaker 3: that somehow got obliterated, buried, died off, but they certainly

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Speaker 3: left traces. And we tend to give ourselves credit board

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Speaker 3: like why buy a house tomorrow and I move in

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Speaker 3: and I say, just because I live here, I built

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Speaker 3: this house. You know, you can't. You can't really say that,

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Speaker 3: you know, somebody else built it. Just because you live

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Speaker 3: there doesn't mean it's yours. You know, the Aztecs had

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Speaker 3: done that down in Mexico. They had moved into theot

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Speaker 3: Tyo Tubicon and it had been empty for hundreds or

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Speaker 3: thousands of years, and so those pyramids and all that stuff,

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Speaker 3: they were an Aztec. There were some other culture, and

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Speaker 3: I think we should all want to know who is

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Speaker 3: that other culture?

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Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, thanks Mike for your for your call.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's an okay guy. Now he's a great guy.

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Speaker 2: He's a good friend. He's he knows this stuff. He's

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Speaker 2: he's a good guy. So you were you you said

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Speaker 2: there were the tall people and then there were the

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Speaker 2: two foot tall people next close to each other.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah, And I mean you turned describing great

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Speaker 3: detail of that book. And this was I think at

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Speaker 3: the latter half of the seventeen hundreds twenties were uncovered,

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Speaker 3: and there wasn't a lot of knowledge, and there certainly

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Speaker 3: wasn't any local archaeologists or anthropologists or even good universities

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Speaker 3: way they described the little ones were in little stone

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Speaker 3: caskets that were just a little over two feet long,

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Speaker 3: and they described their heads as looking kind of dog like.

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Speaker 3: And that's intriguing because then once again we run into

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Speaker 3: Marco Polo and Chinese explorers and others had described coming

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Speaker 2: So much we would know about ourselves if we I know,

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Speaker 2: you know, that's what it's about. In going back to

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Speaker 2: Smithsonian again, do you see do you think that they

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Speaker 2: just have things sitting there hidden away, or do you

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Speaker 2: think that there's a whole another something happening were they're

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Speaker 2: at least studying these things, looking into them deeper, or

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Speaker 2: do you think they're just really sitting there?

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Speaker 3: I guess maybe I'd say instinctively, I feel like back

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Speaker 3: when they were just when so many were discovered in

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Speaker 3: the latter eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds, that those collectively

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Speaker 3: were disposed of. Oh, as long as they don't have them,

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Speaker 3: they don't know about it, right? Oh wow, yeah, people

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Speaker 3: there now probably. I mean I always wanted to work.

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Speaker 3: I grew up in the DC areath Sonian was my

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Speaker 3: second home. But I remember as a kid seeing that

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Speaker 3: workers going in the single side doors for the employees,

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Speaker 3: and I think I didn't go through those someday. You

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Speaker 3: don't want to know what's there?

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Speaker 1: Did you?

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Speaker 2: Did?

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Speaker 4: You? All?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: You? And I know, let's make a date a time

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Speaker 2: we'll meet, and that's what we're going to do somehow.

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Speaker 2: We'll figure it out. Oh my gosh, I don't know how.

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Speaker 3: We'll pull it off. But you know, we're just like

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Speaker 3: hanging from the string from the ceiling and lower ourselves

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Speaker 3: into the arch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll figure it out. We will figure it out.

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