WEBVTT - Passing Notes PT 2 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:05.560 I'm Kate Winkler Dawson. 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:08.520 I'm a journalist who's spent the last twenty five years 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:10.080 writing about true crime. 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:13.360 And I'm Paul Hols, a retired cold case investigator who's 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:16.959 worked some of America's most complicated cases and solve them. 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:20.360 Each week, I present Paul with one of history's most 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:22.200 compelling true crimes. 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:24.799 And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:26.599 new insights to old mysteries. 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:32.200 Together, using our individual expertise, we're examining historical true crime 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:34.920 cases through a twenty first century lens. 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:38.320 Some are solved and some are cold, very cold. 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:52.080 This is Buried Bones. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.640 A Kate, I guess we have a second part to 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:06.919 a two parter today we do. 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:10.240 We have a kidnapping of a young girl, seventeen year 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:15.120 old named Leslie Whittle, and she is from a village 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:18.720 in West Midlands of England, and she is from a 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:22.720 very wealthy family. Somebody has come into her home she 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:26.000 shares with her mother. She has an adult brother who 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.520 lives not far away, but it's just the two of 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.440 them in a house that you and I talked about 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:35.399 being sort of visibly exposed to people because it's sort 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:40.480 of walls of glass almost the second floor, so she's 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:42.920 been taken. It looks like just wearing a robe and 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:46.160 her slippers, and if she was wearing pajamas, and the 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:51.120 police have not seen her. The kidnapper or kidnappers have 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.680 left behind notes, odd notes. 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.360 Using a label maker, which is an interesting choice. 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:01.000 They are confusing instructions and her brother can figure it out, 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.400 and they keep missing each other and this is not working, 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:07.800 and there are cassettes that are being played over the 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:11.320 phone of Leslie's voice. There is a guard who was 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.760 shot by it sounds like our prime suspect here, a 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:18.600 man they've dubbed the Black Panther because they were able 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:23.320 to use some ballistics in some fingerprinting to connect this man, 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:27.280 this violent robber, with the shooting of the security guard 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:31.839 and with the murders of four postal workers the year 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:35.919 before to Leslie's kidnapping. Because in this guy's car they 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:39.880 find items of hers, as well as the tape recorder 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:43.120 and cassette tapes that have some instructions that were just 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:46.920 never delivered. And the police are kind of at a 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:49.679 dead end. They don't know what to do next. They 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.280 haven't done such a hot job it sounds like they 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.760 were at a location where Leslie could have been kept, 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.720 and they did sort of a discreete sweep. 0:02:57.760 --> 0:02:58.240 They said. 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.120 But other than that, they have not hear from Leslie 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:04.320 for it looks like almost two weeks. And then when 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:07.520 they find out about this Black Panther, this you know 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:10.799 man who they've dubbed the Black Panther for killing all 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.359 of these people and being very sneaky, then it starts 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.440 to be very concerning. And you said you were very 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.799 concerned at the end of episode one about Leslie. 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:22.760 Yeah, you know, this Black Panther has shown a proclivity 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:27.480 to utilize violence. You know, he's killed four postal workers. 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:31.040 He shot at a security guard six times, I'm sure 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:35.400 with the intent to kill, as well as now he's 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.760 got possession of seventeen year old Leslie. This is a 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:44.640 very serious offender that is capable of committing homicides. So 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:48.920 now in my mind, Leslie's safety is in question. And 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.360 I'm not even convinced at this point that he kept 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:56.320 Leslie alive at all. You know, he pre planned these crimes, 0:03:56.360 --> 0:04:00.800 He thought ahead, had her record multiple planes on the 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:04.480 cassette player. He may have decided, you know, during his 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:09.640 planning process. Trying to keep her alive was just logistically cumbersome, 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:13.160 and he would be more successful being able to move 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:17.120 around and hopefully get the money he wants without Leslie 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:18.120 being drug along. 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:20.479 And one of the things that we've seen in previous 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:24.480 cases where it seems like the kidnapping victims, the ransom 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:27.560 victims have been kept alive, is how upsetting it is 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:31.039 to find that out that they've been kept alive. There 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:34.279 could have been a chance that they were not murdered, 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:37.440 that they were reunited with their families. But getting the 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:41.760 media or getting the police involved, well meaning citizens just 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:44.880 MUCKs up everything. On the other hand, I'm certainly not 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:48.719 advocating for not getting police involved in these situations. But 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.560 this is the kidnapper who has shown in the past 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:55.440 to have the most violent tendencies, right the robberies and 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.880 with Gerald, and like you said, right, he's willing to 0:04:57.960 --> 0:04:59.920 use a weapon. I'm not one hundred percent sure we 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.520 I've seen that in any of our previous cases. They 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.800 felt in a little like haphazard some of those kidnappings. 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.400 But this guy, you're right, sounds very serious. Do you 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:10.440 have anything to add before I tell you what happens next. 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.000 I'm sure you don't know this. I'm kind of curious 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:16.160 what the black panthers, you know, with the postal workers 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:20.400 that he killed, he left some alive, you know, did 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.800 he make any statements to them about what he was after, 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:24.719 et cetera. 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.520 Three murders occurred in nineteen seventy four of the year before, 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:32.839 involved violent robberies of post offices in different locations across 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:36.120 the country. So there were three of them and all 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:37.640 three men ended up dead. 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:41.960 Okay, So black Panther is going into a post office 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.720 and killing a postal worker inside the. 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:48.000 Office, That's what it sounds like, right, Okay. 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.880 And then he is he is touching surfaces during this 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:55.000 process maybe you know, part of the theft aspect where 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.719 he doesn't have gloved hands on, which is interesting, you 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:01.200 know during this timeframe usually say usually, but you know, 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:03.320 of course, that's the one form of evidence back in 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:06.960 the seventies that could be used to identify him, you know. 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.800 So there's a little bit of carelessness on his part 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:14.880 in these post office robbery homicides. And then now he 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:19.080 shoots the security guard, leaves the car abandoned. The shooting 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:22.080 of the security guard, I wonder if Leslie was in 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:25.400 the car at the time, you know, or he had 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:29.320 put Leslie somewhere and was just concerned that the security 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:32.880 guard would connect him to either the robbery homicides or 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.360 the abduction of Leslie. You know. But obviously he's he's 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:37.520 willing to pull the trigger for self preservation. 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.279 Yeah, let me remind you what they found inside this 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:43.760 car eight days after this happened. There's the gun that 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.560 he used to shoot Gerald. There's a box of bullets. 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:51.520 There's a foam mattress, a flashlight, Leslie slippers, several unused 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:54.640 Dimo labels, a tape recorder in those cassettes that we 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:59.279 talked about, So, like everything tying him to Leslie is there. 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:03.800 They use these bullets. Now, the BBC only says they 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:07.720 used the bullets found in the car to link him 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:12.600 to the other murders, these postal worker murders. To me, 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:14.320 that didn't I was trying to channel you. That didn't 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:16.640 make sense. I wonder if they meant that they used 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.440 the gun with the bullets to be able to match it, 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:21.679 because wouldn't that the bullets would be kind of useless 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:23.760 if it's just a standard gun, right, they'd have to 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.840 fire it through the bullet through the gun to match 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.800 it to bullets found inside the postal workers. 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.480 Right, right, So the gun and we don't know what 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.200 type of gun, if it's a semi auto or revolver. 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.600 But let's just I'm going to make an assumption. Let's 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:41.440 say all they did is recover bullets from the post 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.560 office crime scenes. You know, as that bullet passes down 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:46.800 the barrel of the gun, you know, the lands and 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:50.040 grooves of the rifling of that barrel get him in 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:52.880 essence impressed on the side of the bullets. And then 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:57.200 there's very microscopic striations that end up also on the 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:01.320 side of the bullet, that is to the kind of 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.960 the tool marks that that inside of the barrel of 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:07.440 the firearm leaves on the bullet. And so, now that 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:11.840 they've recovered the gun out of this vehicle, they test 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:15.480 fire that gun and then compare the marks on those 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:19.040 test fired bullets to the marks on the evidence bullets, 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:22.600 and they're able to draw a conclusion, yes, this gun 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:26.400 fired the bullets and these robbery homicides at the post offices. 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:27.640 Well there you go. 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.080 I mean, I think that they feel like there's pretty 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:32.600 definitive proof, and they're desperate to figure out where he 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:35.679 is and where Leslie is, and her mother and her 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.040 brother are petrified of all of this. As I had 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:42.360 said before, now we are fast forwarding fifty one days 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:48.840 after Leslie was discovered missing. They launch finally a very 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:52.439 extensive search of Bathpool Park. And now I can show 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:54.199 you a photo in a second, so you can actually 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.800 see what this place looks like. The reason they do 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:00.920 it is because some school boys find a flashlight as 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:06.240 well as a Dimo label that says drop suitcase into hole. 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:10.040 So they found an old instruction. I mean, this must 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:12.600 have been what he was talking about, Torch Lane and 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.080 all of the weird torch So you can see the 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:19.360 next instructions he says drop suitcase into hole. And of course, 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:22.880 because it's fifty one days later, the police just throw 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.960 out subtlety and decide they're going to do a full 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.720 on search. But this is the reason why they go 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:32.080 back to this park. I mean, this place, it's foggy 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:33.120 and it's yeah. 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.920 Now this photo, you know, speaks volumes. First, I'm not 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:41.880 seeing any residential structures, commercial structures. It literally looks like 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:48.600 somewhat rolling hills with groves of trees that are lacking 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:52.400 their leaves. And in the foreground. Now you see all 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:56.160 these men with all of them look like German shepherds. 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:57.000 Yep, I'm sure do. 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.240 Yeah, there's no variety in the breed. No, no bloodhounds here, 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:05.640 you know, and obviously they're they're searching. And this is 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.640 you know what after fifty one days after Leslie was abducted. 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.600 You know that is not sounding good for Leslie at all. 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.560 No, and no word from the kidnappers at this point. 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:21.400 Yeah, we don't know about Leslie yet, but you know, 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.720 we don't have anybody who can identify the man who 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:27.720 sounds to be definitively the Black Panther because the three 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.280 poster workers are dead. No one else could identify him 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:34.640 except the security guard, Gerald Smith. He's in critical condition, 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:38.160 but he gave a very detailed description of the attacker. 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:40.960 And they made a sketch, and we love a good sketch, 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:43.680 So let me go ahead and show you. They send 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:45.920 this out to the press. Let me show you the 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:47.720 sketch and you could tell me from one of the 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.120 quality if you like the quality of the sketch, and 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.760 two you know what parts of it would be helpful 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:55.400 he looks very menacing. 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:55.920 This guy. 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.440 Oh wow, that's the guy who was prowling around the 0:10:59.520 --> 0:10:59.959 rail yard. 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:05.000 Okay, so the security guard confronts him outside of the vehicle. 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.800 That would explain some of the lack of maybe firearms 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:12.360 damage to the vehicle from shots being fired out of it. 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:14.680 You know. First up, you know, I'm looking at a 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:19.480 sketch of a man that the sketch is from knee 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.280 height all the way up to the top of his head. 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:27.880 So the security guard saw this man standing in front 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:32.679 of him. The first thing that stands out is the clothing, 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:37.440 whereas this man appears to have something akin to I'd 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.960 call it like maybe a car coat or a half 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:44.240 trench coat. I'm not sure if that's the correct term, 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:47.080 but you know, this type of it looks sort of 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:49.400 like a trench coat, but instead of going down to 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:52.120 the ankles, it cuts off at the knees. Appears to 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:54.760 be maybe zipped up or buttoned up. But then there's 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:58.599 a belt around the waist that's holding the coat closed. 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:03.800 And then what appears to possibly be a t shirt 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:07.319 of some type or shirt underneath this coat. But then 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:11.240 he's got a backpack on, and he's got a bag 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:12.920 in his left hand, you know. So you know that 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.440 in part I never see the composites like this. You know, 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:21.440 that's really detailed in terms of the clothing and the 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:25.880 backpack and the bag that he's holding. But the face, 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.680 there's a lot of detail in this face. You know, first, 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.720 this is a very good artist just in terms of 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:38.439 the ability to sketch, because this is close to photo realistic, 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:42.679 not really photo level, but in terms of when I 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:48.160 look at this face, I see a human face that 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:51.679 is something that I could envision in the real world. 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.520 You know. Oftentimes there's some composites and you're going, well, 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.960 you know, proportions aren't quite right, but you know, the 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:02.160 composite is trying to convey the distinguishing features. The man's 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:05.120 eyes stand out. He's obviously got somewhat of a scowl 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:10.080 and an angry look with kind of a firm set jaw, 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:12.920 you know, and of course he's being confronted by a 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.520 security guard, so this is kind of the you know 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:19.040 what the facial expression would probably be accurate too, is 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.400 he's not happy that a security guard is standing in 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:23.960 front of him. You know. So this, yeah, this is 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:28.120 a very interesting composite, and I can't speak to the 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:30.360 accuracy of it right now until we know who this 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:34.000 guy is and can look at the actual face of 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:37.640 this guy side by side. But you know, this is 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:40.240 something most certainly you'd want to put out to the 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:42.959 public because it is so detailed. 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:47.080 So Gerald is helpful from you know, his hospital room. 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:49.920 He gives us this really good sketch, you know, really 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.559 good description. Okay, so now we need to go back 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.559 to the park. So we are at Bathpool Park. They 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:58.880 are doing a search because they found a flashlight and 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:03.520 they lay that says drop suitcase into hole. So this 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:06.800 is March sixth. The next day they have zeroed in on. 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.640 Now this just sounds like a nightmare to me to search. 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:13.280 There is an extensive drain and tunnel system underneath the park. 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:17.320 There are various levels and platforms with this thing going 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:20.680 totally underneath the park. They think that this would have 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.240 been the best spot for a kidnapper as both a 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:26.680 hiding place and a potential escape route should he need 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:28.240 it out of the park because there are all these 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.240 different exits and entrances and stuff that people just don't 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.360 know about. So what do you think about that? I mean, 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:36.880 this just sounds like the beginning of a bad horror film. You're, 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:40.040 you know, sending some police officers down underground to try 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:43.239 to find this girl who might still be alive a kidnapper. 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.360 There could be a whole team of kidnappers down there, 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:48.280 and they have to go through this extensive tunnel system. 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.720 Yeah, that would be a process. You know, anytime you search, 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:57.040 you need to track where you've searched. And when you 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:01.440 have tunnels like this, I could see we're just trying 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:04.480 to stay on top of well what has been searched 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.280 and what hasn't been searched could be problematic. 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:09.440 Well, let me give you They did a mock up 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.440 of some of the tunnels where they think that this 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:13.280 might have happened. 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.280 So I'm going to show you that real quick. So 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:16.320 this is there. Now. 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.160 I don't even know what this is made of, but 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.920 this is their rendition of this section of the tunnels. 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:25.640 I don't know what the material is. I don't understand it. 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:28.880 I just see a series of tunnels along with you know, 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:30.960 like ways to climb down ladders and stuff. 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:32.479 I mean, it looks very complicated. 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.880 Yeah. So I'm looking at you know, this photo, which 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.320 is a it looks like the cross section of part 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:44.040 of you know, this bathpool park, and so most of 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:45.640 what I'm looking at it took me a while from 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:49.200 my eyes to adjust. But in essence, they've used some 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:52.240 sort of for lack of a better term, like a 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:58.080 clay to represent the earth, and then they've got cross 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:04.280 sections of pipes to illustrate the tunnels. At the right side, 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:09.120 they have a very tall vertical tunnel if you will, 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:14.480 that shows rungs that somebody would have to use to 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:19.200 climb down into or up out of this vertical section 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:22.680 of I would say maybe a pipe to get to 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:28.200 the surface. Then there's a long horizontal area with two 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:33.280 other vertical connections to the surface. Neither one have the 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:37.960 man ladder built within them. One to the furthest left, 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:40.640 which is the shortest one, has some sort of cage 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:44.280 on top of it. I think what strikes me is 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:48.000 the diagonal part of the tunnel that's on the right 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:51.040 hand side of the image that kind of dives from 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:57.040 the long horizontal tunnel. It dives diagonally to underneath the 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:02.920 vertical pipe that has the man That diagonal aspect tends 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:08.080 to suggest that this tunnel system may be more for waterflow, 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:12.560 you know, plumbing aspects, drainage aspects of the park. At 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:14.680 this point, we don't know if the offender actually used 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.880 this tunnel system. But if he did use this tunnel system, 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:21.320 how does he know about it? You know, that's something 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.920 that I'd be wanting to know once we identify the offender. 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.040 Does he have a connection to this park? Did he 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:29.520 have a connection to this tunnel system? And then that's 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.280 why he knew about it? Yeah, But to hole up 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:36.399 inside of this system, this looks like it's going down 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:41.440 probably I don't know, twelve fourteen feet for that first 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:45.880 horizontal long section, and then goes even deeper than that, 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:50.440 you know, into I'm assuming it's some sort of drainage system. 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.440 Yeah, I can give you some more information to It's 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:55.719 just a daunting to look at something like this and 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.880 to think this is, you know, potentially where this young 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.560 girl could be. And it's fifty one days now, fifty 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:05.560 two days. Okay, So he sends an officer into the 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:08.000 system's main shaft. So I don't know who pulled the 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:10.679 short straw on that one, but this guy. 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:12.800 God, that's what we called the rookie job. 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.040 ECLA, listen to this. This is what petrified me. He 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:20.240 climbs down a sixty foot ladder carrying a flashlight and 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.720 takes notes of what he sees, because you got to know, 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:27.520 there's no like, there's no lighting system. There are pins 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:31.000 and batteries. There's a notepad, so they're right, somebody's been 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:33.760 down here. And down on the platform there's a sleeping bed, 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.600 a foam mattress, and a tape recorder. And there's a 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:39.760 blue robe hanging off a beam that looks like the 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:42.520 one missing from Leslie's room. 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:43.919 Oh well, okay. 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:49.200 He also finds some wire on the platform. So let 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:53.959 me show you a photo of this kind of hodgepodge 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.359 of things. Well, first of all, let me show you 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.920 the man meet with this poor guy. Let me show 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.640 you what he had to climb down first. So this 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:04.879 is a man hole that this officer had to go down. 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:07.600 I mean, this is not a lot of room to maneuver. 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:12.040 No. In essence, this is a photo that anybody listening 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:14.919 is going to be familiar, like with the kind of 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:18.160 the man covers to the sewer systems and the mill streets. 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:22.280 This is similar, except it's square, not much bigger. It 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:25.679 looks like it's maybe two feet by two feet, you know. 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.679 So I don't know what the size of the shaft is, 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.920 but obviously it's a narrow opening that the officer would 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:36.800 have had to go through. Looks like they've tented over this. 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:41.600 So and then you have this plain closed detective with 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:45.080 a couple of uniform bobbies, you know in the photograph, 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:49.359 and the detective is opening up this cover. You know, 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:51.520 I think when you said that this officer had to 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:57.000 descend sixty feet down this shaft, we obviously the mockup 0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:01.440 that I was describing earlier is not to scale. Sixty 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:04.679 feet is much deeper than what I would have imagined. 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:07.399 And now this is getting to where this is so 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:10.840 dangerous to anybody entering in that not only just from 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:16.359 a fall perspective, but from oxygen oxygen deprivation literally is 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:18.720 what we would call a confined space. You have to 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:21.960 be specially trained to go down into something like that. 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:26.000 In this day and age, OSHA monitors this big time. 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:29.040 Your vitals need to be monitored. They have to pump 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:32.200 oxygen down into something that deep. Potentially, it just all 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:35.639 depends on the circumstances. You know. I've had to go 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:40.720 underground typically for drug lab scenarios, and I have has 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:45.000 MATT specialists standing by keeping track of the environment in 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:49.400 me going down into this space, that's say, taking leslie 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:53.240 down that deep. You know. One of my concerns is 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.840 is that, well, what is the environment down there just 0:20:57.080 --> 0:21:02.000 to sustain life, let alone to be able to see, Yeah, 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:04.440 this would be a very scary scenario. 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:07.520 Well, now let me show you the things. So her 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:09.800 bathrobe looks like sleeping bag. 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:13.200 Yeah, and that's a so you know, this photograph is showing, 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:15.480 you know, on the left hand side what appears to 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:18.360 be a sleeping bag. Right in the middle is this 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:22.879 foam pad that has coils of what appear to be 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:27.359 metal wire. To the right of the pad appears to 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:30.160 be the robe, and then right to the top of that, 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:32.520 which robe is somewhat on top of, appears to be 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:34.440 a second sleeping bag. 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:37.200 They're disgusting. I mean, I don't know why I think 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:40.480 that's a big deal, but it's filthy. They're filthy down there. 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:41.080 You know. 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:44.120 Yeah, everything looks well, the sleeping bags I can't tell 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:49.400 as much, but the robe and this foam pad very soiled. 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:53.639 Is the soiling due to having you know, gone down 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:58.040 into this environment is a soiling because you've got maybe 0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:02.199 a body that's decomposing. You know what did it smell like? 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:06.560 You know? So I would have questions. But that type 0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:09.640 of cord, you know, this is if that's what I'm 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:12.320 seeing and that's this metal cord, and if it's being 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:17.119 used to control Leslie, this is a type of material 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:21.479 that would cut into her skin if it's tied tightly 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:24.680 or if she's fighting against it. This would not be 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:28.960 This isn't you know, soft binding material for comfort. This 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:31.720 is like almost like the worst type of material you 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:35.159 would use to keep somebody under control because it'd be 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:36.000 so painful. 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:38.240 Let me show you a close up because I do 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:40.200 want to emphasize that. Let me show you a close 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:43.080 up of this is the wire, the circular wire that 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:45.360 you saw that could have been used to control her. 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:47.600 It's like a braided metal braided wire. 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:50.800 So yes, so this man is holding up it's just 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:53.840