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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show Monday Edition. I

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Speaker 2: hope all of you had fantastic weekends and are ready

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Speaker 2: for what promises to be yet another wild week in

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Speaker 2: the United States of America as Donald Trump will face

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Speaker 2: his being turned in at the Miami Courthouse on Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: just down the street from where Buck Sexton lives. So

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Speaker 2: Miami now going to be the center of the political universe.

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Speaker 2: We will discuss the latest on the charges being brought

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Speaker 2: against Trump as well as the continuing fallout there but

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Speaker 2: a lot of different things. Gavin Newsom sits down with

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Speaker 2: Sean Hannity for an interview. What is his angle there?

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Speaker 2: Trans athletes as men being able to compete against women

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Speaker 2: In the wake of Leah Thomas Gallup's got a new poll,

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Speaker 2: they are collapsing. Ron DeSantis is the new Grand Wizard

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Speaker 2: of the KKKA, according to people at the Tony Awards.

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Speaker 2: Vivek Ramaswami firing back at CNN, he has been very

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Speaker 2: good when he has been on CNN. Bill Barr weighs

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Speaker 2: in with Shannon Breem on the impeachment and uh, the

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Speaker 2: latest on the Daniel Penny case also mask required at

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Speaker 2: the White House for college athletes. A lot to discuss,

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Speaker 2: but we begin with the continuing fallout of the Trump

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Speaker 2: indictment on federal charges that was released on Friday. And

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Speaker 2: I want to play this cut buck because to me,

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Speaker 2: the number one story right now is when is this

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Speaker 2: trial going to happen? And then we can analyze the

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Speaker 2: legality surrounding it.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna remind everybody you were out last week

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Speaker 3: on vacation, you called in, But here we are now

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Speaker 3: with your first You know you're you're stepping You stepped

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Speaker 3: off the hiking trail to wag in before, but now

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Speaker 3: you're kicking us off with analysis on this. And obviously

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Speaker 3: there was a ton a ton of takes on this

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Speaker 3: from folks on the weekend. So now we're getting to

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Speaker 3: weigh in more more fully.

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Speaker 2: Let's listen to Jack Smith because to me, the most

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Speaker 2: essential question about this case is what will the time

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Speaker 2: frame be? Jack Smith, not surprisingly wants this to happen

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Speaker 2: as quickly as possible.

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Speaker 4: Listen, It's very important for me to note that the

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Speaker 4: defendants in this case must be presumed innocent until proven

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Speaker 4: guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.

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Speaker 4: To that end, my office will seek a speedy trial

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Speaker 4: in this matter consistent with the public interest and.

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Speaker 5: The rights of the accused.

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Speaker 2: Okay Buck, So here is I'm going to tell you. Basically,

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Speaker 2: if I was Donald Trump's defense attorney, here's what I

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Speaker 2: would be thinking. I read the entire indictment on Friday

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Speaker 2: when they released it, and here is what I would

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Speaker 2: be thinking. If I were Donald Trump's defense attorney, I

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Speaker 2: would be first of all, I don't want this trial

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Speaker 2: to happen until after the twenty twenty four presidential election.

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Speaker 2: So my number one strategy if I were advising Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump would be delay.

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Speaker 5: Delay. Delay.

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Speaker 2: That means you challenge all of these different aspects. In particular,

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Speaker 2: is his own attorney's testimony against him permissible?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 2: Is this a part of the so called crime fraud

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Speaker 2: exemption that generally applies for attorney client privilege. I would

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Speaker 2: the interplay between the Espionage Act and the Presidential Records Act,

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Speaker 2: which is going to be I think a major legal

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Speaker 2: issue that must be resolved, I would certainly combat all

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Speaker 2: of the inclusion of much of this evidence that I

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Speaker 2: this out for as long as possible.

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Speaker 5: Now, I want to be honest with everybody.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, eight hundred and two two to

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Speaker 2: two eight a two, if you want to weigh in

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Speaker 2: and ask questions, I don't necessarily opinions, but smart questions.

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Speaker 2: This is far more serious, Buck, than anything that was

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Speaker 2: alleged in New York. And whatever defense you want to

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Speaker 2: these allegations do not rise to the level of destroying

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Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty years of United States judicial history.

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Speaker 2: To charge a former president and the leading candidate to

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Speaker 2: potentially become president again for these issues is to me indefensible.

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Speaker 2: Having said that Buck, Trump behaved recklessly here, he could

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Speaker 2: have easily managed to not turn this into a federal

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Speaker 2: criminal indictment. And when people out there, I want you

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Speaker 2: But all Trump had to do was turn over these

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Speaker 2: what is particularly frustrating to me, is this was a

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Speaker 3: So a few things come to mind with all this.

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Speaker 3: One is, let's just you often talk about the timeline Clay.

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Speaker 3: If he is able to delay this, we would be

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Speaker 3: in a situation where you would have the leading Republican

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Speaker 3: he might be able to pardon himself from federal charges

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Speaker 3: that were pending during the election. It is also noteworthy

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Speaker 3: because there's a real possibility that that delay will not

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Speaker 3: be we don't know. It is in a judge's hands,

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Speaker 3: a Trump appointed judge who you know, some had said

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Speaker 3: was a little favorable to Trump. When it came to

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Speaker 3: the initial special master appointment. For those who recall back

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Speaker 3: last summer at Mar a Lago, Trump's legal team made

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Speaker 3: motions that there needed to be a special master to separate,

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Speaker 3: you know, a napkin from a golf course where someone

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Speaker 3: wrote a nice message to him from something that's allegedly classified.

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Speaker 3: The judge ruled this. Judge Eileen Cannon ruled initially in

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Speaker 3: to do all this. So is she going to be

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Speaker 3: favorable to the delay? We don't know. If it's not delayed.

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Speaker 3: Trump has already said, so we're going through the ifs here.

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Speaker 3: If it is not delayed, and if he has found guilty.

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Speaker 3: And that's a big even under the circumstances of this,

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Speaker 3: all you need is one juror, and you could have

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Speaker 3: a handful who just says this is clearly a political hit. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a political hit, you know, Claire to your point

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Speaker 3: about the legality of it, and I brought this up

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Speaker 3: on Friday before you called in. If the federal government,

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Speaker 3: and there have even books written about this, if the

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Speaker 3: federal government decides to come after you, I mean really

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Speaker 3: go after you, go through all of your taxes, go

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Speaker 3: through you know, every wire transfer you've ever made. They're

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Speaker 3: unless you're Hunter Biden. And that goes to the double

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Speaker 3: standard component of this. But I think when people have

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Speaker 5: Seven years?

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Speaker 3: There's a sense that okay, so now they you know,

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Speaker 3: it's like a cop who tails you forever and then

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Speaker 3: finally gets you for failure to signal, and.

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Speaker 5: It's like the law is the law?

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Speaker 3: Well, are you really trying to serve a higher purpose

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 3: So if it is before he says he will stay

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Speaker 3: in the race even if found guilty. Yeah, which sets

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Speaker 3: candidate possibly in prison. Again, I who knows, you're right?

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Speaker 3: You never know what a jury's gonna do. I feel

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Speaker 3: right now like a jury's not going to convict on this,

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Speaker 3: but I don't know. Let me that's good to point

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Speaker 3: out this case is in Florida.

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Speaker 2: If I'm analyzing it, I almost entirely would make the case,

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Speaker 2: Trump's attorneys, this is an illegitimate prosecution. If I were

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Speaker 2: I would vote not to convict Donald Trump of these

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Speaker 2: are a lot of people listening to us right now

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Speaker 2: in South Florida. I believe I'm correct, Buck, and you

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Speaker 2: may know better on the actual jurisdiction. Is this just

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Speaker 2: on this jury, I'm not an expert on that. I

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Speaker 2: I think, from being able to seat sit on this jury.

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Speaker 5: Can you imagine the reaction of somehow you.

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Speaker 3: Can I go down and stand outside the courthouse with

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Speaker 3: report live from the courthouse tomorrow because.

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Speaker 5: It wouldn't be I think.

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Speaker 2: I think I think you should go down tomorrow and

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Speaker 2: report live from the courthouse like we had Ali, But

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Speaker 2: I would vote there's a jury nullification element here, and

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Speaker 2: I think Ron DeSantis narrowly lost, Uh Dade County, right,

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Speaker 3: Is it the city of Miami Dade. Miami Dade is

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Speaker 3: the county and he won. He won Miami Dade.

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Speaker 2: Right, But is there Miami City also that has a

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Speaker 2: gonna be really hard to get a conviction.

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Speaker 3: Most of I could speak with some experience here. Most

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Speaker 3: of the COVID refugees from the Northeast down to Florida

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Speaker 3: are two time Trump voters, yes, and a lot of

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Speaker 3: have a very different jury pool. Look if it's interesting

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Speaker 3: because there's strategy involved here too. If Jack Smith had

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Speaker 3: But can I just also say, we got a little

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Speaker 3: bit of heat for saying, guys, I think the indictment's coming.

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Speaker 5: I think because we knew it was coming.

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean just telling everybody talked off air, as

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Speaker 2: had that trip to the to the Smoky Mountain scheduled

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Speaker 2: for for several months that it was going to happen

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Speaker 2: like it did right while I was out.

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Speaker 3: The indicators were there, and I know there were some

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Speaker 3: It's not going to happen. No, because it was going

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Speaker 3: and now it did. So for anyone who was doubting

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Speaker 3: see that is probable or almost certain. And in this case,

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Speaker 3: if it were in d C, I think a conviction

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Speaker 3: certain in just because of who lives in DC, it

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Speaker 3: is ninety five percent Democrat. Democrats aren't going to care.

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Speaker 3: This whole thing is a political prosecution. That much is obvious.

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Speaker 3: So the politics of the jury pool are effectively determinative.

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Speaker 3: And now when you look at Miami, Okay, now we're

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Speaker 3: I know, kind of like the system is rigged, Clay.

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Speaker 1: Slave Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.

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Speaker 3: She was able to fight him off, but the obviously

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Speaker 2: Go look at the scales of justice. You should not

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Speaker 3: it is disproportionately ten to one black on white. That's

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Speaker 3: statistics FBI.

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Speaker 5: You can look at that.

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Speaker 3: The Democrat Party, remember what Elon sha that. They all,

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Speaker 3: oh my gosh, he was sharing FBI dot gov data.

442
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Speaker 3: Do you want to have a conversation about what's happening

443
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Speaker 3: based on data? I think we should all be able

444
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Speaker 3: to look at and discuss the data. No one denies

445
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 3: that's the data. You know what they did clearly started

446
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Speaker 3: talking about intraracial Well, hold on, that was in the conversation.

447
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 3: The conversation was interracial violence that Elon Musk was winging on. Okay,

448
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Speaker 3: So in this case, though, I think why it's so

449
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Speaker 3: important for Daniel, I mean Daniel Penny. I think it's

450
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Speaker 3: somewhat unusual for someone to make a statement like this

451
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Speaker 3: when they're under indictment, they're facing a manslaughter. I would

452
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Speaker 3: not advise it as an attorney. Yeah, but but he

453
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Speaker 3: did it, and it's out there. And here's what he

454
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Speaker 3: wants everyham to know though, because the media doesn't want

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Speaker 3: people to know this. Jordan Neely was not just threatening

456
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Speaker 3: to murder people. He was threatened to murder people, including

457
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Speaker 3: black and brown people on that subway car. Meaning this

458
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Speaker 3: was about fellow human beings, right, This is about people

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Speaker 3: of all all different races.

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Speaker 5: This is what he's saying.

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Speaker 3: Also, one of the individuals who helped hold Jordan Nearly

462
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Speaker 3: down was a black guy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so the narrative of racism.

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Speaker 3: Here becomes really complicated. Daniel Penny steps in to stop

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Speaker 3: a guy from threatening to kill people, including black and

466
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Speaker 3: brown people, and the guy who helps him hold Jordan

467
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Speaker 3: Neely down is a black guy. So the racism narrative

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Speaker 3: you have to work really hard to try to find

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Speaker 3: this as a racist incident, which is the whole basis

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Speaker 3: for Bragg's prosecution here, and we.

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Speaker 1: All know it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Buck, the data actually reflects And again this

473
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Speaker 2: goes to the data. This is the factual evidence. And

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Speaker 2: I bet in the back of Daniel Neely's ahead, even

475
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Speaker 2: if he doesn't acknowledge it, police are actually less likely

476
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Speaker 2: to use violence against black defendants as a percentage of

477
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Speaker 2: violent acts. It's a big Harvard study they did.

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Speaker 3: They're like, why the left hates that and they try

479
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Speaker 3: to undermine that study all the time now, but it

480
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Speaker 3: was a big study.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, Why would that be the case.

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Speaker 2: It's because there are I think probably a lot of

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Speaker 2: police listening to us right now that know that they're

484
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Speaker 2: going to be held if you're a white guy to

485
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Speaker 2: a different standard if you use violence against a black person,

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Speaker 2: and you would be if you use violence against a

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Speaker 2: white person. Because again, Buck, it's not only that Daniel

488
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Speaker 2: Penny is getting charged because he's a white guy who

489
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Speaker 2: choked a black guy. It's that if he had choked

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Speaker 2: a white guy out, this wouldn't be a story either, right.

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Speaker 2: The only way this becomes a story is if a

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Speaker 2: white guy does this to a black guy. Black guy

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Speaker 2: does it to a black guy, Nobody pays attention in

494
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 2: black on black violence happens so frequently the media never

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Speaker 2: covers it. White crazy guy Daniel Penny puts him in

496
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Speaker 2: a choke, Coldeney dies one billion percent Buck.

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Speaker 5: This never becomes a story either.

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Speaker 2: The only reason I would love to hear people who

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Speaker 2: are in media try to justify this because Buck. The

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Speaker 2: argument they would make is well, systemic racism is such

501
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Speaker 2: an ever present reality that when we see acts like these,

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Speaker 2: we much call them out and cover them. But to

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Speaker 2: your point, it actually is a wildly outlier incident that

504
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Speaker 2: isn't actually representative of danger that exists in New York

505
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 2: City or any city in America. Black people, by and

506
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 2: large have almost nothing to fear from white people if

507
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 2: you just look at it on a databasis, and by

508
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: the way, almost none of us have anything at all

509
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: to fear from police either. I always like to use

510
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 2: this stat but because it blows people's minds. You know,

511
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Speaker 2: if you're an unarmed person in America today, regardless of

512
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 2: your race, but including if you're black, White, Asian, or Hispanic,

513
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Speaker 2: you are more likely to be killed by a bee, wasp,

514
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Speaker 2: or hornet than you are by a police officer.

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Speaker 5: That blows people's.

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Speaker 2: Minds unarmed, right, because you're not then trying to typically

517
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Speaker 2: create any sort of issue with the weapon. Would you

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Speaker 2: ever be afraid to walk outside of your house because

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Speaker 2: you were afraid that you were gonna get stung by

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Speaker 2: a b and die?

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Speaker 5: Of course not.

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Speaker 2: We fear things that aren't real because of the media.

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Speaker 2: I remember after Ferguson, Don Lemon, formerly of CNN said that,

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Speaker 2: and he was crying when he said this, that some

525
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 2: nights when he goes homes, he called when he goes home,

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Speaker 2: he calls his mom just to let her know that

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Speaker 2: he got home safe because he's so scared about police

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00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 2: violence against him. Don Lemon said that who lives in

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Speaker 2: a I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I would just put it out there, probably a four

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Speaker 3: or five million dollar apartment on the Upper West Side

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Speaker 3: of Manhattan. I think he's okay walking home. I don't

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00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: think the cops are coming for Dun.

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Speaker 5: But you know, but this is this is what it is.

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00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 3: It's all I'm a victim. I'm a victim.

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Speaker 5: It's so scary the cops.

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Speaker 3: A victim of the cops. Meanwhile, there are lunatics running

538
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: around the city, stabbing people, raping people, doing crazy stuff.

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00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: But it's the cops and it's white racism that's the problem.

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Speaker 2: That's another good one here. Don been connected in some ways.

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Speaker 2: One of ESPN's highest paid announcers. It's a guy named

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Speaker 2: Mark Jones. He's lost his mind. He's super racist. In

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Speaker 2: the wake of the George Floyd incident, Buck, he went

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00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: on social media and he said he would no longer

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Speaker 2: accept a police escort on college campuses when he called

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Speaker 2: a game because he didn't know when a police officer

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Speaker 2: would decide to kill him.

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Speaker 5: That's what I mean.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is this is a This is a

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Speaker 3: maniacal really like a faith based belief that people have

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00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 3: bought into this cult like ideology of the threat of

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00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: white racism killing them or the threat of police killing them.

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00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 3: This is completely insane. Think about that, Buck, these guys.

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Speaker 2: For people out there who are sports fans, you get

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00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: a police escort so you don't have to sit in traffic,

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Speaker 2: so you can go into the stadium and call the game,

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00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: and then you get a police escort when you leave

558
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: so you can get to the airport faster.

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Speaker 5: He said he wouldn't. I don't know if he's accepting

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Speaker 5: it or not.

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Speaker 2: He said he wouldn't accept the police escort anymore because

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00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 2: he was afraid that a police officer or would kill him.

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00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: What in the press box while you're calling a game,

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Speaker 2: when they're helping to dodge you through all the traffics

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Speaker 2: so you can manage to get in and out of

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Speaker 2: the stadium.

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Speaker 3: That stays out there clean book. We'll take police escorts anytime,

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Speaker 3: anytime you want to.

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Speaker 5: Help us out, go for it.

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Speaker 2: Anybody wants to give me a police escort anywhere at

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Speaker 2: any time, I will gladly accept it.

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Speaker 2: hooked up there. So a bunch of people want to

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Speaker 2: weigh in on some of these, like why did Trump

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Speaker 2: keep the documents? We asked that question, Buck, But before

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Speaker 2: we play that, I want to hit this last night

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Speaker 2: at the Tony Awards. It doesn't matter who the Republican

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Speaker 2: nominee is. Just know that they are going to play

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Speaker 2: nasty with whoever the nominee is. Last night on the

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Speaker 2: Tony Awards, which is the awards they give out for

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Speaker 2: Broadway musicals and all that stuff, I can be honest

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Speaker 2: with you and say, I've never watched the Tony Awards,

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Speaker 2: but one of the presenters came out and called Ron

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Speaker 2: DeSantis a grand Dragon.

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Speaker 5: This was airing last night.

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Speaker 3: Listen Earlier tonight, CMU and the Tony Awards presented the

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three Excellence in Theater Education Award.

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Speaker 1: And while I am certain that the current Grand Wizard,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, excuse me, governor of my home state of Florida,

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Speaker 1: will be exchange against.

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Speaker 2: Oh you get it, buck Rond DeSantis. He's the head

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Speaker 2: of the KKK, the Grand Wizard of the KKAY. What

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Speaker 2: with all of his things he's doing, like winning election

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Speaker 2: by nineteen points, allowing people to not wear masks, making

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Speaker 2: everyone safer because crime is not very high at all

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Speaker 2: in fact, fifty year lows.

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Speaker 5: I believe. Oh, he's like just like the Grand Wizard

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Speaker 5: of the KKK.

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Speaker 3: It's also so interesting because you know, there's what people

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Speaker 3: say and there's what people do, and you should always

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00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 3: pay much more attention to what they do. Is there

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Speaker 3: some huge outflow of people leaving Florida because it's so awful?

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 3: In fact, the numbers show us that Florida received the

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Speaker 3: largest in state migant you know, or into the state

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Speaker 3: migration of any state in America over the last few years.

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Speaker 5: Why is that?

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Speaker 3: Because things in Florida have been going so well.

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Speaker 5: We all know this.

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Speaker 3: And as we've noted, Donald Trump used to be a

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Speaker 3: New York City resident. He is now a YEP, Florida resident,

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Speaker 3: as are all three I'm sorry, Well he has more

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Speaker 3: than three adult children. I don't know about the fourth one,

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Speaker 3: but three of his adult children are also formerly New

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Speaker 3: York residents now Florida residents. Because things are going really

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Speaker 3: well in this state. And people like zero income tax,

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Speaker 3: and they like cops being supported, and they like regulation

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00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 3: that makes sense and deregulation that's you know, we're good

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Speaker 3: on the whole list.

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Speaker 5: What is the rape?

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Speaker 3: What is races? This is the question I think so interesting.

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Speaker 3: There's been some stuff about wokeness and lgbt Q I

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Speaker 3: A Plus and Disney.

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Speaker 4: What is the.

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Speaker 5: Racist thing that Ron is that they pushed back on teaching.

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Speaker 3: UH American history would probably be a lack point studies curriculum.

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Speaker 3: And now they have an they have approved of black

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Speaker 3: studies curriculum. They're just not teaching CRT in it. And

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Speaker 3: that now makes you a member of the KKK. It's

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Speaker 3: just it's so stupid, but you you have to push

657
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Speaker 3: back on this stuff because people believe what they hear. Unfortunately,

658
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 3: and the slanders, the people who slander, whether it's Governor

659
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 3: Santists or any Republican for that matter, they feel justified

660
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 3: no matter how much of a lie it is, because

661
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 3: they think that ultimately the person deserves it, even if

662
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 3: it's a lie.

663
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 5: I mean yeah.

664
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 2: And also whether do to Trump, oh one hundred percent.

665
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 2: And we'll get some of your calls here momentarily. But

666
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 2: if we had that Tony A Ward's woman who said

667
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 2: the Grand Dragon comment, if we had her on and

668
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 2: we actually pushed her and said, okay, you know what

669
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: is Rond DeSantis doing that to you? Is worthy of

670
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 2: analogizing him to a member of the KKK, she would

671
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: crumble instantaneously. Because so many of these people buck we

672
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 2: talked about narrative over fact earlier, they buy into the narrative.

673
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 2: They have no facts to support their narrative. Yeah, you know, Uh, Clay,

674
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 2: We've got a lot of VIP emails in my mind. Everyone,

675
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: if you want to be a VIP, go to Clay

676
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: ndbuck dot com. Please subscribe. You support us and the

677
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: team and the work we do, and you also get

678
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: an email address you can write right into the team.

679
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 2: During the show, we got a lot of people writing

680
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 2: in on the why did Trump keep the documents?

681
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: Which I do think is I think is an interesting question.

682
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 3: I think Trump should address this himself at some point.

683
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: I mean he will in court, but you know, I

684
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 3: think he might as well come out and tell people.

685
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: I know that he said that he just believes he

686
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: had the right to have them, Okay, but when the

687
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 3: government said no, you don't, and it's being litigated, why

688
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 3: why was it so important for him to keep them?

689
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 5: It's just a question. Brad wrote in and said, it

690
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 5: is so obvious. Okay.

691
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 3: He has documents that implicate the FBI and DOJ and

692
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 3: Russia Russia collusion. So in addition to him trying to

693
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 3: put him in jail, he can't run or is hamstrung,

694
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 3: but he also has damning evidence that they can't let

695
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 3: out there.

696
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 5: But here's my.

697
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 3: Problem with this, because I've seen other people say this,

698
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 3: Why didn't he just declassify and make it public?

699
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 5: Yeah?

700
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 3: Why not declassify the Russia docks and make it public?

701
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 3: I talked to Trump in the Oval Office ones about

702
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 3: declassifying Russia documents, and I'm gonna tell you, guys know

703
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 3: what he said. We're working through there's a process, and

704
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 3: you know, we're taking into account sort of what the

705
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 3: intelligence community says needs to be protected.

706
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 5: But why not just release it?

707
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 2: I don't know that's really important that you just said, Buck,

708
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: because if your theory and we had a couple of

709
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 2: callers who want to say this is, oh, Trump's keeping

710
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 2: the documents to protect him from the deep state or

711
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 2: whatever you want to say, Okay, the best way to

712
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 2: protect yourself is to release them and make him public.

713
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: When he was president, he had absolute authority to declassify anything.

714
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: You've talked about this before. Sometimes he would even tweet

715
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: out a picture. As soon as the president makes something public,

716
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 2: it's no longer declassified. He has that ability, right. So

717
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 2: if you truly have this evidence that you believe clears you,

718
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: you want it as widely distributed as possible, so that

719
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: analogy that argument to me does not add up. We'll

720
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: talk more about it next. What about to Clay Travis

721
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: buck Sexton show. We are joined now by actor author

722
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: Kirk Cameron. Many of you, like me and Buck and

723
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: certainly producer Ali, big fans of Growing Pains back in

724
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 2: the day. Kirk, Yes, love the show. We'll get to

725
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: that here in a second. You got six kids, you

726
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: are now traveling around the country doing story hours, and

727
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 2: your books have turned into your children's books major cultural flashpoints. So, Kirk,

728
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: thank you for being at our New York City studio.

729
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: I'll start here. I'll give you a two parter to start.

730
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: What percentage of people who come in for your book

731
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 2: signings were big Growing Pains fans back in the day?

732
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: And would you have ever believed back in the days

733
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 2: when you were a teen idol that you would grow

734
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 2: up and write children's books? Would that something that if

735
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: I told you this in nineteen eighty eight, would you

736
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: have ever believed this would be your career path?

737
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: Great questions and totally unique. The guy that was standing

738
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: outside of the Seattle Public Library was definitely a Growing

739
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: Pains fan because he had a big sandwich board that

740
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: he took a lot of time to make, was huge,

741
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: like five feet by five feet that said you're growing

742
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: into a real pain. That was so well played, well done, sir.

743
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 5: I know he was a huge fan.

744
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad we could entertain him back in the eighties.

745
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: So many people there came and were whether they were

746
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: growing Pains fans or not, they're fans of the values

747
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: that led to the freest, strongest, most blessed, and generous

748
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: nation in the history of the world. And they're grateful

749
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: to have something to be a part of, to offer

750
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: their voice in the chorus of Americans that are against

751
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: this woke machine. They want to deactivate the progressive matrix,

752
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: and they want their children to have a future. And secondly, no,

753
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: I never thought i'd be on the radio with Clay

754
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: and Buck talking about children's books that I wrote, and

755
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 1: would be traveling around the country to talk about things

756
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: like love and joy, kindness, gentleness, and self control.

757
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 3: So I have to ask you, Kirk, it's Buck. Now, Hey, Hey,

758
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 3: you know I was a Buck. I was a Buck

759
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 3: in a movie. You probably didn't know this.

760
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's It was an obscure little movie, but My

761
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: name was Buck anyway.

762
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: Powerful patriotic name it is, So tell me this. You know,

763
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 3: you just talked about what the books you're writing, children's

764
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 3: books about things like love, kindness, decency, and bravery.

765
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: Very controversial because say those words, what is?

766
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: And it isn't it kind of crazy that at this

767
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 3: day and age, whenever someone I mean, I'm not the

768
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 3: only one I'm sure who feels this way. Whenever we

769
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 3: hear story hour, we're immediately thinking that it's a very

770
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 3: different kind of story hour. Your story hour doesn't involve wigs,

771
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: fishnet stockings, or any gender identity politics, And yet your

772
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 3: controversial explain.

773
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 5: How that's not fair.

774
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 1: You can't explain that unless you go down the dark

775
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: rabbit hole of where this is all headed by the progressives.

776
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: And we could get into that.

777
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 5: But you're right.

778
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: I was denied by over fifty woke libraries when I

779
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: asked to read this story for kids. Maybe if I

780
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: dressed in fishnet stockings and heels, I wouldn't have had

781
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: so many doors closed on me. But when we actually

782
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: showed up at the Indianapolis Public Library, who told me

783
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: in their response to my request were not interested. Our

784
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: values don't align with yours. Our community doesn't want what

785
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: you have to bring. Over two five hundred parents and

786
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: grandparents and children overwhelmed six floors of this giant library.

787
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: They went down the escalator, out the door into the

788
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: parking lot. And these were parents who couldn't even get

789
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: into the reading room because the one they gave us

790
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: was so small. And we did reading room after reading

791
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: room after reading room. And the ones that never got

792
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: in didn't get upset, They didn't riot, they didn't break

793
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: stuff and light stuff on fire.

794
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 5: You know what they did.

795
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: They started singing God Bless America and Amazing Grace in

796
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: the hallways between the rows of books, and they started

797
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: their own story hours for their children.

798
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: Kurt, you've got six kids. You live in California right now.

799
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Speaker 2: I presume back in the day, Growing Pains was filmed

800
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: in California, like many sick would have been. Yeah, I

801
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 2: don't know if you had a political awakening of sorts.

802
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 2: I'm curious, as you have evolved in your age, how

803
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: difficult is it for you to stay in California given

804
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: what Gavin Newsom has done and what happened during COVID.

805
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 2: I live in Nashville. Buck is in Miami, we of

806
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 2: both in the state of Florida and in the state

807
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: of Tennessee seen massive influxes of Californians, New Yorkers, people

808
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: from the Chicago area who were just fed up. Have

809
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 2: you come close to bailing on California? If not, why

810
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: have you stayed?

811
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand the question. I meet many California refugees

812
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: in Texas and Tennessee, Idaho, Florida and from other states

813
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: New York and Michigan and Minnesota. We love California. God

814
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: made a beautiful place with oceans and mountains and agricultural land.

815
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: The weather's always nice, very little bugs or humidity. But

816
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: I'm looking older, not because of age, but because of

817
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom.

818
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 4: And I.

819
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: Want to stay on the front lines in the places

820
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: where culture is heavily influenced. And if we don't do that,

821
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: then really this stuff creeps all the way into the corners,

822
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: and pretty soon Freedom Island will not be so free anymore.

823
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: So I understand why people move, and I may be

824
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: getting a bug out place somewhere, but I don't think

825
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm leaving California. We've hit rock bottom and I think

826
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: we can only go up from here.

827
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 3: We're speaking to Kirk Cameron and his book is Pride

828
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 3: Comes Before the Fall.

829
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 5: Just tell us a little b about that.

830
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 3: I mean, a lot of parents out there who are

831
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 3: looking for this kind of content for their kids or

832
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 3: their grandkids. A lot of grandparents are listening right now.

833
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 3: You give us some of what why this one and

834
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 3: some of the other books you've written are you know

835
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: you're the author? Why are they great content for kids?

836
00:43:59,120 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 5: What are they going to learn?

837
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: Well, kids love to hear stories, they love heroes, and

838
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: they love fantasy worlds to enter into. And so that's

839
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: what I did. I partnered up with Brave Books, which

840
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: is a great American company who knows who they are

841
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: and whose they are. They're not going to sell out,

842
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: They're not turning away from their audience and their values

843
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: like other big corporations have been doing lately. And we

844
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: wrote a book about biblical wisdom and the fruit of

845
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: the Spirit, and then follow it up with this second

846
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: book right here. It's called Pride Comes Before the Fall,

847
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: and it teaches children the importance of humility. Humility is

848
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: a lost and priceless virtue that we've got to get

849
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: back to. I mean, this is a perfect time for

850
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: this book to be coming out. It's June. It's so

851
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: called Pride Month, and it's just in time for kids

852
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: getting out of school and starting their summer reading programs.

853
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: And it's interesting to me if I could share this

854
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: quick little story. I was walking down the street in

855
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: New York City today, which, by the way, you guys

856
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: are supposed to be here. I thought I was going

857
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: to get to meet you in person. And I'm walking

858
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: past Starbucks and I see the rainbow color letters of

859
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: pride and love. Love and pride, pride and love. We

860
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: see it everywhere this month. Kids see this everywhere, and

861
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: we are tempted to think that they go together. But

862
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: the truth is, pride is the opposite of love. Love

863
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: is about others, Pride is about self. So the truest

864
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 1: expression of love is not pride. It's humility. But think

865
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: of what just happened. The President of the United States,

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00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 1: George I was gonna say, George Soros, maybe that's.

867
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 5: Sorry, hacker.

868
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: Joe Biden raised the pride flag front and center on

869
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: the White House. Did you know that George Washington, our

870
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: first president, raised the humility flag.

871
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 5: Look it up.

872
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: He did it, said an appeal to heaven, and he

873
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: raised that under his authority as the Commander in chief

874
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: of the Continental Army in seventeen seventy five, America was

875
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: built on humility, not on pride. And I happen to

876
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: call the White House this morning. I left a message

877
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: for Joe Biden and recommended that if we really want

878
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: to be a nation that's known for loving others, well,

879
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: we should replace the pride flag with the humility flag.

880
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Speaker 1: We'll see if he calls me back.

881
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Speaker 2: I will be fascinated to hear. Maybe he was a

882
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: big fan of Growing Pains back in the day too.

883
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: You mentioned the importance of staying in la which is

884
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: a center of culture in many ways. And I got

885
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 2: a kind of a two part question for you here

886
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 2: to close out with. And we appreciate Kirk Cameron hanging

887
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: out with us. If I think back to the shows

888
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Speaker 2: that I watched as a kid with my family, with

889
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 2: my parents, family Ties, Growing Pains, Full House, Who's the Boss,

890
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: Punky Brewster, The Cosby Show, that's just kind of a

891
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: rough I jotted him down as you were talking.

892
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 5: I love those shows.

893
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 2: I bet a huge percentage of our audience does too.

894
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: Those shows were very much I would say a political

895
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 2: anti woke. They also had an overall thematic connection about

896
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 2: the importance of family relationships. Do you think those kind

897
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 2: of shows could get made in Hollywood today? Is the

898
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: first part. Second part. The most famous person now who

899
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: ever appeared on Growing Pains is Leonardo DiCaprio. You have

900
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: to be a hardcore Growing Pains fan to even remember that.

901
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 2: Do you ever see DiCaprio around in La What do

902
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 2: you think about his evolution in terms of his political

903
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: beliefs and were those kind of things apparent when you

904
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: guys were young guys on a show like that.

905
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: Okay, So, Leonardo DiCaprio, we has always been someone that

906
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: we've cared so deeply about. My wife and I both

907
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: on the show together with him, and the last time

908
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: we saw each other was at Alan Thick's funeral and

909
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: it was such a sad but anticipated reunion for those

910
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 1: of us who were on the show together.

911
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 5: And we love Leo.

912
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 1: Although I haven't talked to him in quite a while,

913
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: I know he's busy with not movies and saving the

914
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: rainforest and many of the things that he's passionate about,

915
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: So I really couldn't tell you from an inside perspective.

916
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 1: I just read what you read in the Internet as well.

917
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 1: And your first question is was it did I ex

918
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Speaker 1: why were show?

919
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 5: Could you still make those shows?

920
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 4: Right?

921
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 2: If you think back to all those that I laid out,

922
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: you're talking about the impact of culture. We saw Fuller

923
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: House came back? Could the Growing Pains Reunion show exist?

924
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: What do you think it was about the culture of

925
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: the late eighties and the nineties that everybody seemed to

926
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: kind of be pulling in the same direction, and now

927
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 2: we're all going in different directions.

928
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: Because in the eighties and the nineties and much more

929
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: prior to that, in centuries before this, we had a

930
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: common understanding of a Judeo Christian ethic and society, a

931
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: moral standard that we knew led to blessing. That was

932
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: just common knowledge. It was in the water, it was

933
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: in the air. The very first textbooks in education in

934
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: America was the Bible. The Blue Back Spellers, the New

935
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 1: England Primer taught kids to spell by referencing the goodness

936
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: of God, the faithfulness of God, the dangers of things

937
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: like pride and selfishness and greed. So our TV shows,

938
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: our culture reflected the things that we wanted. But even

939
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: though today it's really not different, it's just all springing

940
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: out of a different worldview. Politics are really inescapable, religion

941
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: is really inextricable from culture. And so even though we

942
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't have said Growing Pains was political or religious, it

943
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: really was the manifestation of an early American Judeo Christian

944
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: view of life. Today we have new pictures of family,

945
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: we have new types of humor, we have different heroes

946
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: and different villains, and that's driven by an ideological worldview.

947
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: As you guys know, you talk about this all of

948
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: the time, and the best way to advance those views,

949
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 1: whether good or bad, whether free republics or socialist nations,

950
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: is to bake it into the songs you sing, the

951
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: TV shows you watch, and the books that you read

952
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 1: to children. So that's what we're seeing today. So Yesterday's

953
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: Growing Pains looks a lot different today. And I think

954
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Speaker 1: that if you put Growing Pains back on the air,

955
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Speaker 1: just like many classic songs or classic movies, it would

956
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Speaker 1: get labeled hate speech or bigotry, even though we understand

957
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: that what masquerades as truth today is really stuffed with

958
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Speaker 1: a lie. And that's why it's so important to me

959
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 1: that we teach our kids these things before we reach

960
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Speaker 1: the point of no return.

961
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Speaker 3: Latest book by Kirk Cameron is Pride Comes Before the Fall.

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Speaker 3: Good Brave Books dot Com to get this and his

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Speaker 3: other book and Kirk Cameron. Thank you so much, sir,

964
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Speaker 3: Thank you guys. Illuminating appreciates you all.

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Speaker 1: God bless you. Keep up the good work.

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