1 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, what's episode ninety eight the HEMI Territory Podcast. 2 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: I am your host, Brad rolland coming to u I 3 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: Thursday evening. Not our usual time slot, I will say, 4 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: but I'm joined on tonight's podcast by Scott Coleman. And 5 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: Scott we have some relatively unexpected news touch on on 6 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: this Thursday. 7 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: Hey, Brad, hope you are doing well. Happy off season 8 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: to you and everybody else out there. Uh. Yeah, we 9 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 2: were going to do this show regardless, but it was 10 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: going to be some mailbag and maybe a couple of 11 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 2: other items just to you know, give the people thirty 12 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 2: forty five minutes of some braves talk and lo and 13 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: behold the braves made of I mean, for an organization 14 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: that prides itself on status quo and consistency and year 15 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: over year continuity, they made a pretty significant change to 16 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: the coaching staff here on Thursday afternoon, and obviously we 17 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: have plenty to talk about tonight. 18 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: That's right, and it's a good way to kind of 19 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: tee that up. If you are just joining us, first 20 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: of all, welcome to the podcast. It's kind of an 21 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: odd time to join us, but hey, welcome aboard. We 22 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: definitely encourage you to do that, we will be here 23 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: all off season long. Some podcasts might go dark between 24 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: October and March. We don't do that. We're gonna be 25 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: here all year long, and we're a part of FOLLA 26 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: territory as well. Please subscribe rates, review the podcast, check 27 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: us on Apple, check us out on Spotify. We're on 28 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: YouTube if you want to see our shining faces, and 29 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: please like the episode there as well. But as Scott 30 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: alludes to a pretty significant coaching staff overhaul, we'll say, 31 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: three guys out the door unexpectedly on a Thursday. As 32 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: of right now, this has not been announced by the team, 33 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: but when every single beat writer has it, it's been confirmed. 34 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: There's been an interview given by one of the ousted coaches, 35 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: like this is happening, It's done. The Raves are moving 36 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: on from the headliner is definitely hitting coach Kevin Site 37 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: here also the number two hitting coach, Bobby. I'll go 38 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: with Maggie Honis is that what we're going with. We'reating, 39 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: guess I have never said that man's name out loud. 40 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: My apologies if that's wrong. And then also catching catching 41 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: coach salf Asana. We're all not being retained. There is 42 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: some tiptoeing around in some of the reporting. I don't 43 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: give a Brian said fired. Look when you have this 44 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: is this is my friend me now my cold dead 45 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: heart Scott. If you have Tom on your contract and 46 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: they're not bringing you back, you were fired. That's this is. 47 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: This is a firing. It seems like by all accounts 48 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: like it might be something of a uh, not as 49 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: negative firing as some might be. You know, Kevin Sitzer 50 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: was was pretty upbeat and pretty kind to Alex and 51 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: the staff on the interview that he gave to The Athletic, 52 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: but look, this is this is a firing, and uh 53 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: kind of the background here is you and I did 54 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: a podcast only a few days ago, less than a 55 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: week ago. Alex Ithopolis and Brian Sticker said all on 56 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: the record, and I've heard the audio that these guys 57 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: that no one on the staff was going to be lost. 58 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: In fact, the direct quote from Alex was quote barring 59 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: some retiring or resigning, the expetition is that they're all 60 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: back as far as is concerned. We kind of made 61 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: fun of that, not necessarily on the show, but like 62 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: we talked a lot on that reaction episode about how 63 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: sometimes you can't say what you think if you're Alex 64 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: and Brian, and I guess this is one of those 65 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: times when like they said the opposite of this, and 66 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: then only a few days later they end up cleaning house. 67 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, you know, I can't remember, Brad, if we 68 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 2: said it on the show or if it was just 69 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: in our show notes, but I mean we I think 70 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: it crossed our mind at least that just because Alex 71 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: said that he anticipated having the staff back, of course, 72 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: did not mean that it was set in stone. Frankly, 73 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: probably would have been a tad awkward to in the 74 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: middle of a media call say, oh, by the way, 75 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: we're firing our hitting coach of a decade and our 76 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: assistant hitting coach of four years and our beloved catching 77 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: coach and game. 78 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: Coordinator of six years. 79 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: That would have been a bit awkward. And it sounds 80 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: like I mean, when Alex and Snith did the interview 81 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: with media last week, it wasn't even forty eight hours 82 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,839 Speaker 2: since the Braves had been eliminated, So there's a real 83 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: chance that the team did not know for certain that 84 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: it was going to make these moves. You know, you 85 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: and I think felt in unison on Sunday night that 86 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 2: if sites are returned. We were okay with it given 87 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 2: the track record, but changes needed to be made in 88 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 2: terms of approach and game plan. And now, I mean, 89 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 2: this is a enormous change for the organization and the 90 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 2: coaching staff as a whole. Again, a ton of continuity 91 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 2: with this bench under Brian Snicker since he took over 92 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 2: what was it twenty sixteen. You know, Kevin Seitzer was 93 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 2: there for all of that. He was hired there before that. 94 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 2: Here before Snicker was was the manager, he was hitting 95 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: coach under Freddi Gonzalez. 96 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: It's been a long time. Yeah, in fact, I believe 97 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: you pulled this, but justin I think of Siscano reporter 98 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: that he is the He was the longest tenured hitting 99 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: coach in all of baseball, So this is a because 100 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: of that in particular, that's a notable change, And I 101 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: agree with you wholeheartedly. By the way, about the Alex 102 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: said Snit thing, like the only way they could have 103 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: said that on the zoom call would have been at 104 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: they kind of pre announced it, like they were never 105 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: going to break the news of someone being fired basically 106 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: on a zoom call. That wasn't going to the media 107 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: that wasn't going to happen, so anyway, that doesn't really matter. Now, 108 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: it's just kind of interesting to talk about it and 109 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: hear us what we said a week ago and all 110 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: those things. But yeah, I mean, sites are it's complicated, 111 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: and we'll get into this even more as we get 112 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,559 Speaker 1: on here, because it's probably gonna be the main topic 113 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: of the episode, maybe the only one. But we talked. 114 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: We talked about a little bit on Sunday too. There's 115 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: been a lot of reaction in the fan base and 116 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: around the fan base, even the beat guys like before 117 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: this about like whether he should be people that were 118 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: mad at us for even floating it in the first place, like, oh, 119 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: obviously you would keep brought Kevin Sitzer because of the track 120 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: and look, the record of success is there. He did 121 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: preside over the best offense maybe in league history, but 122 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: certainly in Braves history just a year and a half ago, 123 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: Like it wasn't that long ago with the same players, 124 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: So if you want to frame it that way, you 125 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: could say, you know, he was a steady hand, it 126 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: worked out very well. Everybody seems to be simpatico there, 127 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 1: or you could say this year went so badly, and 128 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: this is kind of where we thought it might go 129 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. It went so badly that when 130 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: you have an established manager and you have an established 131 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: president basketball operations, they're not going to go anywhere and 132 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: the players are all signed long term. If you want 133 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: to do something tangible to like you know, not announce 134 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: something or you know, signal something that the hitting coach 135 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: is kind of in the crosshairs. And ultimately it feels 136 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: to me like we're guessing I will acknowledge that right now, 137 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: we don't have inside info on any of the back 138 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: and nations behind the scenes right now. Maybe someone will 139 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: report that out and share it. This is only I guess. 140 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: I'm guessing that maybe that has something to do with 141 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: it deep down it's like all right, or maybe it's philosophical. 142 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: That's one of the things that we'll touch on here 143 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: is like how much of an organizational shift actually is this? 144 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: Because there'll be some player changes too, but most of 145 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: the guys in the lineup are going to be here 146 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: again next year and they kind of are what they are, 147 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: So like, what does this actually say about what you 148 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: want your team to be? And maybe also how do 149 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: you approach the process of filling these jobs, because look, Scott, 150 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: everyone in baseball is gonna want this job. If you're 151 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: a hitting coach. This is a prime, prime, prime opportunity 152 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: with a team that just underperformed. So in theory, you 153 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: have a lot of upside when you arrive to like 154 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: kind of leave your market. Get a lot of credit 155 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: for it too if it goes well. 156 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think coaches probably both get too 157 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: much credit and also too much blame all at the 158 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: same time. You know, to use a football terminology. When 159 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 2: the offense is terrible. You can't always fire the quarterback 160 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: on a two hundred million dollar deal, but you can 161 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: fire the offensive coordinator. Or when the defense has given 162 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: up forty points three weeks in a row. You can't 163 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: fire your secondary, but you can fire the defensive coordinator. 164 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: You know, truly, if you would have asked me a 165 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: week ago at the end of the season if Kevin's 166 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 2: sides would be back, I would sincerely say it was 167 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: fifty to fifty in my mind. You mentioned the track 168 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: record since Sitser took over in twenty fifteen, so you know, 169 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: of course the first couple of years of that, there 170 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: was like negative talent in the lineup, yes, but going 171 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,239 Speaker 2: back to twenty eighteen at the start of the division 172 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 2: run and now seven years in the playoffs, this is 173 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 2: how the Braves ranked as a lineup in WRC plus fifteenth, tenth, third, twelfth, sixth, first, 174 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 2: and then sixteen this past year. So even with everything 175 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: that went wrong this past season, the Braves were decidedly 176 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 2: average compared to the other twenty nine teams, and there 177 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 2: were a lot of great moments in there too. Again, 178 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: first last year historic offense, they were third. In the 179 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: twenty twenty short year, they were sixth and twenty twenty two, 180 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 2: and again top half of the league basically every year 181 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 2: for seven seasons in a row. So for the Braves 182 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: to move on from a very accomplished and tenured hitting 183 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 2: coach like this was maybe not a complete and total shock, but. 184 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: It was certainly a decision to be made. 185 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 2: And I would be fascinated and thrilled to hear what 186 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: kind of went on behind closed doors over the last 187 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 2: five or six days since the season ended, because this 188 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: was a big decision for the front office to make, absolutely, 189 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: and we're. 190 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: Gonna dig in a little bit more to what it 191 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: might signal, what it might foreshadow whether it was justify 192 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: all those things plus some of the more practical items 193 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: about like who's been rumored already or maybe not rumored already. 194 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: All that's coming in a second, but first the work 195 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: more partners at foul Territory. 196 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 3: This episode is brought to you by Manscape, the global 197 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 3: leader and men's lifestyle and grooming. 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Like if you're the hitting 222 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: you're the hitting coach, you have you have a lot 223 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: of au ton of me, you would imagine, especially a 224 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: veteran guy like Siser's been around for a decade in 225 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: this job, but he's not operating in a silo, like 226 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: there's an organizational thing. Especially the general consensus in the 227 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: last decade two decades is that front offices have a 228 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: lot more influence on day to day than they used to. 229 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: They're in the mix with decision making, lineup cards, you know, shifts, 230 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: all these things are like it's not just the coaches 231 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: anymore or the manager anymore. This stuff is all organizational 232 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: so sides fits into that and look, they got very unlucky. 233 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: We touched on that. In fact, the US Raced episode 234 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,599 Speaker 1: on this feed was with Steven and Sean kind of 235 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: chronicling what happened with the offense to some degree earlier 236 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: this week. We all know it was a combination of 237 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: many factors, between injuries in particular, there was some bad 238 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: luck in there with the bad ball profiles, and then 239 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: also just bad approach and under performance, which that part 240 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: of it goes under sites or to some degree. Again, 241 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: players are also accountable, but like, what do you make 242 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: of this organizationally? What does it say about the brands 243 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: simple as just putting ahead on the stick and getting 244 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: somebody fired and you know, clearing house or is it 245 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: more like a from Alex on down. We think we're 246 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: going to actually have to change some stuff offensively because again, 247 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: the players are not going to largely change. 248 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 2: You know, that is the million dollar question, and I 249 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 2: mean we're not going to know the answer to it 250 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 2: for at least one season. And it's a great question. 251 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: Is this a change and shift in organizational philosophy or 252 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 2: is it just going to be a different messenger working 253 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 2: with the players After such a trying and challenging twenty 254 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 2: twenty four season. And I think we have talked plenty 255 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 2: over the last few months about everything that went on 256 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 2: with this lineup. And look, Kevin Sitzer is the coach. 257 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: It is his job the players in the best situation 258 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 2: possible and to set them up for success. But Kevin 259 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 2: Sitzer also cannot lay off a slider five feet off 260 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 2: the plate, Orlando Orcia, or swing at every pitch within 261 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 2: a mile of the plate, ass the Albis or whatever. 262 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 5: So it is I. 263 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 2: Am fascinated to know who the Braves are going to 264 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 2: hire for this job, and not only for the hitting coach, 265 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: but for the hitting instructor and assistant hitting coach. They 266 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 2: will have their their pick of the litter. I would 267 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: think you talked about this as a franchise where people, players, 268 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 2: coaches want to be. Of course, Brian Snicker has a 269 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 2: long track record of people liking him. It's a winning organization. 270 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 2: There is a ton of talent in this lineup that 271 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 2: you can work with, so it's not as if the 272 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: Braves are going to be scraping the bottom of the 273 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 2: barrel the way other teams might have to. But until 274 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 2: that person is hired. I am truly fascinated to see 275 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 2: how it all shakes out, because again, are the Braves 276 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 2: going to suddenly try to change things in terms of 277 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 2: philosophy and for a team that has really preached slugging 278 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: and power over the last couple of years, not only 279 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 2: in philosophy but also what players are aut of this offseason. 280 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 2: Are the Braves under Alex Nthopolis going to shift and 281 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: try to be maybe more of a put a ball 282 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: in play, get on base, run the bass a bit 283 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 2: more team or do they just want a different voice 284 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: in the room. And frankly, only about three people know 285 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: the answer to that question. Sadly we are not one 286 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 2: of them. And hey, if Alex wants to come on 287 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: the show anytime, we would we would happily do it. 288 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: Open in bye to Alex to be sure to come 289 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: on the podcast. But no, I think you're right. I 290 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: think there's also kind of a middle path where, you know, 291 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: we touched on a little bit on our most racent 292 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: chat on Sunday, But like some of the clear issues, 293 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: like they couldn't as a as a lineup this year, 294 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: seem to catch up to velocity in the zone, like 295 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: they were struggling with low fastball as a particular, the 296 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: play you know, the play discipline, like the walk rate 297 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: was not where you wanted to be as a team 298 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: against some of that's personnel. To your point, just to 299 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: say it one more time, O see Albis is not 300 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: gonn suddenly walk f fIF fifteen percent of the time. 301 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen. But there are things on the 302 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: margins you can kind of see that might be preached 303 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: and driven home. And one of the challenges here is 304 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: like I think managers are difficult to evaluate on the outside, 305 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: and they are a lot easier than hitting coaches are 306 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: to evaluate. Like we see a lot more of what 307 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: Brian Sticker is doing on a daily basis in the 308 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: game than we do with a hitting coach. Like it's 309 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: very hard from the outside. I will raise my hand 310 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: right now. Like whoever they hire, we'll do our best 311 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: to study what that person might be thinking. I'm sure 312 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: they'll give an interview or two. But it's like even 313 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: in foot use with the football analogy earlier, I wish 314 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: you could see like play designs and things of offensive 315 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: coordinators in baseball. You don't get that, like he's not 316 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: running the offense in the way that opus a coordinator 317 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: is in football, like he's helping hitters. But it's an 318 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: individual sport largely, like every single play appearance is an 319 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: individual thing. So it's really complicated and really nuanced. And 320 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: I know this is not this is better than social 321 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: media for it, but nuance is not always received very well. 322 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: A lot. I'm intrigued by it. And again, the pool 323 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: of hitting coaches that they get to, it will be 324 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: an application like you and I applying for a job, 325 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: but they're going to be out of the door one 326 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: in this job for obvious reasons. The talent level is 327 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: super high, and that's a good place to be if 328 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: you are and thoughtless. On that note, by the way, 329 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: Dave O'Brien already reported that Chipper is not going to 330 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: be a candidate. If you were thinking Chippers was going 331 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: to be a candidate, I that was never going to 332 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: happen by all accounts. Like now, I do think that, 333 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: and I'm like you do. I'm sure every time we 334 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: talk about this, someone in our mentions mentions Chipper. And 335 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: when I say mentions, I mean social media mentions. I 336 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: get that Chipper is a savant. By all accounts, and 337 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: if they want to try to entice Chipper to come 338 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: to spring training and be a voice, I am all 339 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: about that. That's fine. He's obviously naturally gifted in doing that. 340 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: I think basically no one that pays attention closely was 341 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: thinking he was going to take a full time hitting 342 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: coach job. The travel of that. It's a full time 343 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: job where you've got to be with the team all 344 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: the time. Chipper's made a lot of money, he doesn't 345 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: need the money, like, I don't think he wants to 346 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: do that, just to say that, yeah. 347 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, I think Chipper on that podcast 348 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: he did with I'm Blinking on Corey Klueber about a 349 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 2: month ago, you know, even Chipper said talking about commitments 350 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: to the game, and he has kids and you know, 351 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 2: doing the dad thing, you only get one chance to 352 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 2: watch your son grow up. 353 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: Baseball will always be there. 354 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 2: And hey, if Chipper wants to come around the team, 355 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, green pass, let him come by whenever 356 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 2: he wants. If there were ten people on planet Earth 357 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,479 Speaker 2: who I would trust more to talk hitting approach and 358 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 2: getting a player out of a slump or adjusting a mechanic, 359 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: I would take Chipper over just about anybody else on 360 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 2: planet Earth. But I don't think he's going to be 361 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 2: the hitting coach for a couple of reasons. But hey, 362 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 2: if you want to make him a special assistant to 363 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 2: the GM or you know, special advisors, M all for it. 364 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: And there are two jobs here. Just for the record, 365 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what we said that earlier. The catching 366 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: job was kind of created for self Asano. That's going away, 367 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: but they're not going to replace him, by the way, 368 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: another guy who is like very well liked, great reputation, 369 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: so I'm not sure why they chose to do that, 370 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: But that job is going away, not just the not 371 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: just him that they're not just kind of closing that up. 372 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: And most teams from what I can gather today, just 373 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: don't have that job. It's kind of an extra thing. 374 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: And the Brads are already had Eddie Perez, who was a 375 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: longtime catcher. They had a catcher on their staff already, 376 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: so kind that kind of seemed logical to me. But 377 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: they are going to hire two hitting coaches. There's a 378 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: lead guy, which was Citzer, and then the number two assistant, 379 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: so they have a little bit of room for diversity 380 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: of thought. Maybe you don't have to necessarily hire two 381 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 1: guys who have worked the other before. It could be 382 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: one from here, one from here. There will be a 383 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: lead person, but we don't know who it's going to be. 384 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: There's been no names that I've seen surface so far. 385 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: And also they're doing this kind of early. It struck 386 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: me it seemed that way. But if you want to 387 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: give the organization a little bit of a rosie outlook here, 388 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: if you were if this is a big if you 389 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: were going to make these moves, doing it on October 390 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: tenth is actually the nicest thing you can do for 391 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: Kevin Sitzer and these guys, because now they're ahead of 392 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: the job market. Most teams have not done this yet. 393 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: Now Kevin Sitzer has a decade long resume. If he 394 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: wants to keep doing this, I'm sure he'll get a 395 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: job if he'd like a job somewhere in the league. 396 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: He's very, very qualified and good at this. He also 397 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: had his wife has had a big time health thing 398 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: this this year, so hopefully and by the way in 399 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: that interview he gave to Dob she seas to be 400 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: doing well, which is good. But it is kind of 401 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: a little bit of an all branch on the way 402 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: out there. It's still firing. 403 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 2: Again. 404 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to overstate it, but doing this early 405 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: puts the Braves in composition. They're acting first, and it 406 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: also puts the guys who just got fired in a 407 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: better spot than most guys are when they get fired. 408 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, by all accounts, there's no bad blood here. I mean, 409 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 2: Sitzer said all the right things. He had some really 410 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 2: nice quotes in the piece with David O'Brien and the 411 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 2: clete Yeah we're checking out, and you mentioned his wife 412 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 2: at a very serious. 413 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: Medical thing, so you know. 414 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, anytime you get fired, it sucks, does 415 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what the situation is. Good terms, bad terms. 416 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 2: It's it's unfortunate. But I would agree entirely. I think 417 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 2: Sitzer can get a job. I think Maggieanis could get 418 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 2: a job, you know, the one that was surprising and 419 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 2: not just to us, but I think both Justin and 420 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 2: Mark Bowman pointed out that Sal f Asano was like 421 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: beloved in that clubhouse. You know, I don't think Travis 422 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: Darnault has spoken on it, but I would sure think 423 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 2: that Travis and Sal have a really good relationship. Of course, 424 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 2: he's worked with Murph the last couple of years, and 425 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 2: the Braves have had fantastic catching for you know, basically 426 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 2: this century, that really heard years at this point, and 427 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 2: not that Fasano was around for all of that. But 428 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 2: you know, I understood moving on from the two hitting 429 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: coaches just because you do it, and you there's really 430 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 2: I have a hard time seeing getting rid of the 431 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 2: two hitting coaches completely backfiring on you. 432 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: The offense may not go back to. 433 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 2: Being like the number one offense with a new voice 434 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 2: in the room, but I understood moving on from those 435 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 2: two Fasano I don't know, I mean, it feels a 436 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 2: little weird that that one. My hunch is there might 437 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 2: be that might be more of like a behind the 438 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 2: scenes fit. Maybe they want to hire a different kind 439 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: of coach to support the team instead of a catching coordinator, 440 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 2: which is not a very common job in the majors. 441 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: I don't know, That's just me guessing. But regardless, again, 442 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 2: two very long tenured and one newer tenured assistants and 443 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 2: the Braves will definitively have a different look on the 444 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 2: bench come next season. 445 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with the Fasano thing. It is a 446 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: little bit odd, but again, like most teams don't have 447 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: that job they do have any perez, Like it's like 448 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: they're going to be lost to the willrith a catcher 449 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: because they don't have self as as respected as he is. 450 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: Because and he is very well respected in the game, 451 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: maybe we'll start to get some some rumblings on who 452 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: they're going to be interviewing. But to use the football 453 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: analogy one more time, it's a lot lower profile process 454 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: than like when a team in the NFL is hiring 455 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. Like hitting coaches are not like super well known, 456 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 1: and when they are well known, it's because they're not 457 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: doing because the team's underforming, you know what I mean. 458 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: It's one of those things where like you only know 459 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: the coach's name if it's not going well, with very 460 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: few exceptions. Yeah, right, so a big name like when 461 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: they hire someone like we're gonna probably touch it on 462 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: a podcast, but like we may not have twenty minutes 463 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: on hitting coach xcuse like they it's all right, this 464 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: guy that did a good job with this, that might 465 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: be kind of all we can talk about it. It's 466 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: a very interesting situation. 467 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, I mean, I think the Braves are 468 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 2: going to have a massive pool of coaches. I mean 469 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 2: big time without being a major league coach or the 470 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 2: pinnacle on the East coast. The Dodgers are the pinnacle 471 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 2: on the West coast just in terms of prestige and 472 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 2: maybe where coaches want to be one day. But I mean, 473 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 2: besides that, the Braves could very easily be third in 474 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 2: that pecking order. You have Atlanta, you have the Cubs, 475 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 2: you have the Red Sox, the Giants. You know, it's 476 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 2: just it's it is a very very good situation the 477 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 2: Braves are in. It's going to be a desirable job. 478 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: And we will see what. 479 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 2: Kind of person they altately hire. We will have, presumably 480 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 2: the benefit if they've been working as a hitting coach, 481 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 2: either presently or past. We should have some data to 482 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 2: know how there's teams performed in the past. But as 483 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 2: we kind of set off the top, a hitting coach 484 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 2: is not just going rogue and saying, well, Brett, this 485 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 2: is what I think is best. So this is what 486 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 2: I'm doing, and I'm not listening to anybody else. Obviously, 487 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 2: it is a partnership with the front office, with the 488 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 2: analytics team the Braves have in place, and I'm very, 489 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 2: very interested and curious to see who they ultimately hire, 490 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 2: and not just that one hitting coach position, but the 491 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: assistant job. It's an important higher for the Braves and 492 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 2: and with a little bit of luck they will find 493 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 2: their candidate and get things back on track and hopefully 494 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 2: with some health too next year. 495 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good way to kind of leave it here. 496 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: I think as far as this reaction is concerned, because 497 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,719 Speaker 1: it's more unexpected because of what was said last week, 498 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: even when our guard was up and I made fun 499 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: of it, but like sometimes gms and coaches don't tell 500 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: you the whole truth. That's that's kind of part of 501 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: the job. I don't love that as a media member. 502 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 1: It's just kind of my experience, and that kind of 503 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: happened here, and maybe they changed their mind to that. 504 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,239 Speaker 1: To that same point, it wasn't like we don't know 505 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: Alex came on that call and said, guys, we're about 506 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: to fire um and then didn't say it. We'll see, 507 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: but yeah, a major change, Like it's not as major 508 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: as Bryan Sticker getting fired or Alex Ifal was getting fired, 509 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,959 Speaker 1: but certainly you sent three coaches packing in mid October 510 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,959 Speaker 1: on a team that underperformed this year, like that's that's 511 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: a message of some kind. It's being set from the top, 512 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: and we'll see what they do kind of respond to it. 513 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: And by the way, as we get into kind of 514 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 1: player deep dives throughout the winner, well hit on some 515 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: stuff that you know, approach issues and what they maybe 516 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: didn't maximize at certain players. Someone's talking about Jared Kelnick today. 517 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: Like the data with Jared, it's a one off, it's 518 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: one player, but like him being actively worse here than 519 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: he was previously is kind of scary in some respects. 520 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: So we'll stop rambling now. 521 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 2: In coming from a place in Seattle which couldn't develop 522 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 2: like Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth if they had him on, 523 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 2: that's that's a good point. I mean again, I think 524 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 2: to put a bow on the conversation. No issue at 525 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,719 Speaker 2: all with moving on from Sitzer, especially Sitzer. I mean 526 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 2: he's obviously the focal point today. 527 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: He is the headliner by far. 528 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 2: Yes, And look, he did a fantastic job overall, especially 529 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 2: going back to twenty eighteen, anywhere from above average to 530 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 2: historically good offenses under his watch. And again it's not 531 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 2: all on a coach, but the Braves really were a 532 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 2: good offensive team. More times than not, we will never 533 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: know how the season went if they had a healthy 534 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 2: Acunya and if they didn't have injury after injury after injury. 535 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 2: But as we as we've kind of said, sometimes you 536 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 2: can't fire the players, but you can fire the other 537 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 2: voice in the room, which is the coach. 538 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: And now it's just kind. 539 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 2: Of a waiting game to see who the Braves hire 540 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 2: and what kind of changes are going to be made, 541 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 2: whether it is an organizational change or if it's just 542 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 2: more of a new voice in the room to try 543 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 2: to get the most out of these guys. 544 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: Maybe if we were on first take, we would have 545 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: been charged with coming out guns blazing in one direction 546 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: or the other on this, But I'm sure it's kind 547 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: of funny, like when we react to on Sunday, it 548 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: was like, all right, we kind of understand bringing it 549 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,239 Speaker 1: back lead on the record, I get all that, and 550 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: we kind of have the same reaction today, like I 551 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: and that might be the best hot podcast, but it 552 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: is how I feel. And we're never going to lie 553 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: to you on this podcast. We're going to give you 554 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: what we actually think. And I would have understood it 555 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: either way. I think we were among the first to 556 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: be kind of in the in the media quote unquote 557 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: ryme to because guys Kevin Seitzer might not be safe 558 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: at the end of the season. And it wasn't because 559 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: we hate Kevin Seizer. It was because, like, if you 560 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: see the results and just the way this stuff works, 561 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: and I don't love defaulting to that, but when things 562 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: don't go well, yea, oftentimes that's what happens. Somebody lose 563 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: their job, and unfortunately it was Kevin Sizer and company. 564 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 2: Today, it's funny looking back on it because I remember 565 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 2: it was the Baltimore Orioles series in June and that 566 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 2: was just dude. It was like the worst of the 567 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 2: offensive swoon. Like every night it's like, what are these 568 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 2: guys doing in the pregame? Like is there any preparation? 569 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: Is there any scouting report? Is there any game plan? 570 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,719 Speaker 2: And that was the first time I kind of wondered aloud, 571 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 2: because my Twitter mentions went nuts, if it might be 572 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 2: time to at least think about a change of hitting 573 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 2: coach for Kevin Seitzer. And of course that was months ago, 574 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 2: and it's not like I was saying that he was 575 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 2: going to get fired, but I thought as the season progressed, 576 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 2: it became more and more of a possibility, and obviously, 577 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 2: after having a week to kind of reflect on the 578 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 2: season as a whole, the Braves have decided to change course. 579 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 2: And it was a big day. Maybe we weren't expecting 580 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 2: it to be a big afternoon of Braves news and 581 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 2: then it broke and everyone, well, Brad, I think you 582 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 2: texted me within about thirty seconds and said, we have 583 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 2: some new podcast material to night, and here we are. 584 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: I think my message to our group chat of Hamer 585 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: Territory was we're throwing out the rundown this evening, which 586 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: we did promptly when this news broke. But all right, Scott, 587 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: we'll sign off now and record time for us under 588 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: a half hour. We did it, Scott, we said an alarm. 589 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: We didn't go over it. Anything else to share or 590 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: plug on the way eyes, not a ton of plug. 591 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: A big thank you to everybody. 592 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 2: Who is tuning in. As you know, as we have 593 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 2: said a couple of times, we are a twelve month 594 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 2: year pod, so we'll have plenty of stuff in the 595 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 2: coming weeks, days, months. Whenever news breaks, we'll always have 596 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 2: a show. We really pride ourselves on no matter what 597 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 2: We always do a show even if there's nothing to 598 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 2: talk about. We do the famous Scott and Brad's like 599 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 2: famous dinner recipes episode or favorite movie. Yeah, let's that 600 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 2: almost happened during the lockdown. The lockout a couple of 601 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 2: years ago. That's true dark times in those streets. 602 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: But no, we're here. 603 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 2: Big day for the Braves, both a day to move 604 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 2: on from a coach who has done a lot of 605 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 2: good things, but also kind of exciting to figure out 606 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 2: who they're going to hire next. And we'll be back 607 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 2: with another show here soon. 608 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: Absolutely more to come. Please subscribe it to the podcast 609 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: anywhere you find your podcast. If you're a YouTube watcher, 610 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: that's great. 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