WEBVTT - BLAKE VAN PUTTEN - Mason Jar Mogul

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host Coley Witt, and today we have very

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<v Speaker 1>special guest, Blake van Putton in the building. Did I

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<v Speaker 1>say that right?

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<v Speaker 2>You did?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I did say that right, owner, founder, creator of fashion

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<v Speaker 1>house brand Sice is in the building.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, So I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Really excited to have you. I feel like I did

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<v Speaker 1>the grocery shopping guys, so I know what he's making

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<v Speaker 1>us is extremely healthy and budget friendly. Yes, so go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you going to have me eating today?

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<v Speaker 2>So today we have overnight oats, very very basic. But

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<v Speaker 2>the good part about it is you can get as

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<v Speaker 2>specific and as curated as you want, depending on your

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<v Speaker 2>budget and how many you're trying to make.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I thought this was like a yogurt parfe or something.

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<v Speaker 2>It is it is. So. The way it is is

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<v Speaker 2>it has a liquid base which is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>like the oat milk and everything that's in it, and

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<v Speaker 2>then has the oatmeals that absorb it. Then you top

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<v Speaker 2>it with whatever types of like food and everything that

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<v Speaker 2>you want on top of it. So you could get

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<v Speaker 2>as intricate as you want, you could get as basic

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<v Speaker 2>as you want.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm nervous about this dish. But is this now? Is

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<v Speaker 1>this considered vegan? No?

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<v Speaker 2>Huh because of the Greek yogurt. It could be depending

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<v Speaker 2>on your ingredients. But I was using what I had

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<v Speaker 2>in my kitchen.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And you ate this when you were broken?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>See, I was like talking smack when I was buying this.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I was actually shopping with my dad, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I called bullshit. I called bullshit. He was eating this

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<v Speaker 1>at a Mason Jars, Like, come on, man. But then

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<v Speaker 1>I was driving and I was like, you know, technically

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<v Speaker 1>it could be considered broke because your oats, your honey,

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<v Speaker 1>your chi seeds, they're the staple, right, And I'm guessing

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<v Speaker 1>oat milk doesn't go bad because it wasn't in refrigerated section,

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<v Speaker 1>So the only moving parts of this dish that you

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<v Speaker 1>would have to rotate out would be the fruit and

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<v Speaker 1>the yogurt. So technically, i'm guessing based on this this

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<v Speaker 1>this dish costs me about forty five dollars, guys, and

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<v Speaker 1>that included the Mason jars. So typically I'm guessing this

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<v Speaker 1>could be your breakfast for at least a week, and

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<v Speaker 1>it would probably run you about twelve dollars if you

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<v Speaker 1>already have the staple ingredients.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and for a lot of it. You have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of this stuff at home. A majority of people

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<v Speaker 2>have well my assasion, they have honey, they have oats,

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<v Speaker 2>they've got some type of like milk or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Any milk work, yeah, any milk can work. I just

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<v Speaker 2>like oat milkause it's a little easier on my stomach.

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<v Speaker 2>But I've used almond milk. I've used two percent and

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<v Speaker 2>anything that's good. And then, just like I was saying before,

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<v Speaker 2>as you want to curate it, make it more special.

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<v Speaker 2>You can make it high protein by putting protein powder

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<v Speaker 2>in it. You can add a lot of stuff. And

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<v Speaker 2>then Mason jars. You could just get them from like

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<v Speaker 2>the dollar store. The fruits are nice.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you can get everythingle all right, But when you

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<v Speaker 4>make these at home, do you make them like on

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<v Speaker 4>the spot, like when you're making cereal, or do you

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<v Speaker 4>like have these in your fridge?

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<v Speaker 2>Why the mason jar? So, the mason jar is good

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<v Speaker 2>because it kind of ferments it, right you. I usually

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<v Speaker 2>make them the night before, so planning a lot of them,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll do my meal prep for the week. So I'll

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<v Speaker 2>make probably about five or six of these in one

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<v Speaker 2>in one go, So it's really really easy to make.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not the night before. If it's like, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can still make it like really quickly. It's just the

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<v Speaker 2>flavor absorbs into the oatmeal the longer you wait, so

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<v Speaker 2>it could be really dense and kind of just not

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<v Speaker 2>as hard to eat if you're just like really in

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<v Speaker 2>a quick like punch. But you can also make it

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<v Speaker 2>and plant it out, so the meal that you make

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<v Speaker 2>that night before three days later would be even better

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<v Speaker 2>and even sweeter from like the fruits and like the

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<v Speaker 2>honeys and stuff that absorb into it the longer you wait.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just genuinely curious if you make it, say I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I love this dish. It's fantastic. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to make these at home. And I like to meal

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<v Speaker 1>prep on Sundays. I'm a huge meal prepper. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but my whole thing is consistency. Like if I make

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<v Speaker 1>this on a Sunday and I go and eat it

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<v Speaker 1>on a Wednesday, is everything going to be like mushy

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<v Speaker 1>and slimy?

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<v Speaker 2>It depends if you go and put fruit in it

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff, Like the fruit eventually can start to get

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<v Speaker 2>like mushy and things. I'm the type of person that

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<v Speaker 2>I can make something on Sunday and eat the same

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<v Speaker 2>dish over and over and over and over. Yeah, if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to make sure it's not like a crazy consistency,

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<v Speaker 2>you can always put like the fruit in at the end.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you're about to eat it, maybe just like

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<v Speaker 2>Garners shit and put it on, you're going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Say the milk was gonna make it nasty. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's how to make it. I'm excited, Mason jars out.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, what's the first ingredient?

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<v Speaker 2>So the first ingredient? You want to put the liquid

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<v Speaker 2>in first. A lot of people put the oats in first,

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<v Speaker 2>but I find that it absorbs easier when you start

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<v Speaker 2>off with the liquid. So, okay, we got the oat milk.

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<v Speaker 2>Care show me how it's done.

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<v Speaker 1>You're making two by the.

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<v Speaker 2>Way, Okay, perfect one's going to be all I display take.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna shoot pictures with it because I'm probably gonna

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<v Speaker 1>like this dish and be like this is amazing. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>So we got the oat milk. For the oat milk

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<v Speaker 1>how much?

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<v Speaker 2>So we do like half a cup like.

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<v Speaker 1>Big Mason Jars so use the little ones at home.

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<v Speaker 2>I used the little cheap ones that I just got

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<v Speaker 2>because I got like fifty of them. I've got I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Because they were selling the little ones at rouse and

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<v Speaker 1>they were so cute and I was like, we should

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<v Speaker 1>totally get it. But it was like sixteen bucks and

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<v Speaker 1>these Mason jars were.

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<v Speaker 2>Three and I was like, Yeah, the funny thing about

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<v Speaker 2>it is you get so many and then you eventually

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<v Speaker 2>lose the lids and you eventually like lose them and

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<v Speaker 2>put them different places. Yeah, so this is just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of one of those things where you have a whole

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<v Speaker 2>bunch but you kind of don't know where they came from,

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<v Speaker 2>and as long as they're all the same size, you're

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<v Speaker 2>good to go.

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<v Speaker 1>So all right, so we're not going to fill these

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<v Speaker 1>Mason jars ideal?

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<v Speaker 2>No, absolutely not. So it says the measurements on it,

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<v Speaker 2>which is also like a cool little hack. I eyeball

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<v Speaker 2>stuff in general, but I use pretty much half a cup,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's like a two to one ratio. So the

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<v Speaker 2>oatmeal is going on cups today. No, I'm not eyeballing, No.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, you eat this still to this day or.

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<v Speaker 2>No, sometimes no my stomach for a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>most part is I've done a lot more stuff of

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<v Speaker 2>being more gluten free and more considerate of it as

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<v Speaker 2>opposed to before I could just kind of have the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing every single day. So I have to be

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more intentional with what I'm prepping so you.

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<v Speaker 1>Can be like, okay, yeah, have fun. Yeah all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was going on in the time of Mason

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<v Speaker 1>jar are cereal whatever be called? Second you add this

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<v Speaker 1>milk to it, I'm I'm nervous. I thought this was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be a.

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<v Speaker 2>Part fait it kind is at heart right During this time,

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<v Speaker 2>I was I was starting my business up, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>very as you probably know, like when you start your

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<v Speaker 2>business up, you're very hard on yourself. Where all the

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<v Speaker 2>money goes in that you're making right back into the

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<v Speaker 2>business exactly. So I wasn't investing a lot of it

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<v Speaker 2>into anything else aside from strictly the business and the brand.

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<v Speaker 2>So I didn't have that extra time where I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to the grocery store. I go to the grocery

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<v Speaker 2>store a whole bunch of times a week now, but

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<v Speaker 2>before I was just what do I have on my

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<v Speaker 2>pantry for a couple a week I do. I go twice.

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<v Speaker 2>I go twice, but it's mainly because I forget to

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<v Speaker 2>get everything the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah ye.

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<v Speaker 2>So nowadays, uh, I'll just go and I have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of this stuff at the house, so it's fine

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<v Speaker 2>and it's easy to just put together. But when I

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<v Speaker 2>was building my business out, I wasn't getting any haircuts.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't like going outside.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just as lovely as you do today.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man. I was just strictly just deoderant, deodorant in lotion.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's all.

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<v Speaker 1>I that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a rule on every company I own, because

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<v Speaker 1>I've been an entrepreneur since I was nineteen, especially after

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<v Speaker 1>my first company, I don't take on my second company.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't take a paycheck until year three. I make

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<v Speaker 1>it a rule, absolutely not, and year three the company

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<v Speaker 1>has to have a really nice cash flow to budget

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<v Speaker 1>for the year.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that rule.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, if I can't cover all the expenses without another

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<v Speaker 1>dime coming in for the year, then absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 2>In my pulling.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I say a paycheck, I mean like it

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<v Speaker 1>can pay the mortgage.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not paying for anything outside of like mortgage, gas car,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and then you know, typically year three and four,

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<v Speaker 1>by four or five, you start to see, oh, she

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<v Speaker 1>has a little bit of money, I'm saying, But yet

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like cash flow is the king and the

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<v Speaker 1>life and death of a company. So definitely, like you're

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much working with like a side hustle and your business.

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<v Speaker 1>But your side hustle is like a full time job,

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<v Speaker 1>and your business is a full time job, and your

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<v Speaker 1>lover and your boyfriend and your cousin and your whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>there is no life. When I meet people that are

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<v Speaker 1>entrepreneurs and like I volunteer, I'm like, yeah, you're not

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<v Speaker 1>there yet. You're not there yet, So pour some oats

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<v Speaker 1>in this because we are going to eat.

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<v Speaker 2>During the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>So the next thing is oats. So you're building SI

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<v Speaker 1>Sprand how long has SIS been around?

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<v Speaker 2>Has been around for four and a half years right now, geez.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And to your point earlier, I think it's important to

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<v Speaker 2>note that I am the same way when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to like paying myself for the business, because I would

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<v Speaker 2>hate to be in a position where the business tanks

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<v Speaker 2>because of my personal wants. When it comes down to

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<v Speaker 2>like a paycheck before, just like waiting that investment in

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<v Speaker 2>the future. Right, So if I knew that I was

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<v Speaker 2>out going getting something crazy to eat for dinner and

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<v Speaker 2>bawling out the first couple of years, year three, we're

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<v Speaker 2>no longer able to stay afloat. It's because of those

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<v Speaker 2>personal reasons. I just like to kind of thug it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Just make sure we keep your head low, keep the

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<v Speaker 2>costs low, and you also get creative. You might start

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<v Speaker 2>off and say, hey, I want to sell a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of items, but then you find out that you completely pivot,

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<v Speaker 2>which is yeah, if that's what our brand did. We

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<v Speaker 2>started with T shirts and hoodies, and then we eventually

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<v Speaker 2>hand back.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, you started there, Okay exactly. Now you can multitest.

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<v Speaker 1>You can do this every time. Every time he starts talking, y'all,

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, he puts down the oats, and I'm like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we still got to eat on this show. It's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>If you make a mess, I am the being. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like the I clean kitchens, I do the groceries, I

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<v Speaker 1>wash the fruit.

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<v Speaker 2>Got it.

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<v Speaker 1>But another reason why I think it's important to skip

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<v Speaker 1>payroll is one, yes, you're talking pivots, but two. There's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing worse than having someone that is working for you

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<v Speaker 1>and they're not really making the adequate money, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you messed up the cash flow and you technically can't

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<v Speaker 1>pay them to me, Like everyone has to get paid

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<v Speaker 1>around me, and I don't want to mess around because

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<v Speaker 1>chances are in the beginning, when they're starting out, they're

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<v Speaker 1>not making the type of money that you know they're worth.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have to be a very good employer. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to be extremely you know, gentle, but you also

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<v Speaker 1>got to make sure that when they ask for their money,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's in their pockets immediately. That's the difference between

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<v Speaker 1>them being like, yeah, I guess I'll make a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of bucks, and man, he ain't paid me a two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks again, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's never been a position where people have asked

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<v Speaker 2>to be paid for me, so I was. I always

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<v Speaker 2>make it a rule and a point that you never

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<v Speaker 2>have to ask me, like, hey, so what's up with

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<v Speaker 2>the money? You'll know ahead of time before working with

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<v Speaker 2>me at all, because I know that people people translate

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<v Speaker 2>that to their work right where I like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>get paid enough to do this and anything like that

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<v Speaker 2>is nobody will ever say that working with me is

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<v Speaker 2>because we will make sure that you're taking care of

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<v Speaker 2>and anything. The expectations are upfront. And I'm also the

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<v Speaker 2>type of person that's like, if we have enough payroll

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<v Speaker 2>to pay for three people and we have four people

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<v Speaker 2>on the team, I'll take that cut, Like I'll take

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<v Speaker 2>the one hundred percent loss on that and make sure

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<v Speaker 2>everybody else is good, but before myself, because I know I'm

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<v Speaker 2>the one that cares the most about the business compared

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<v Speaker 2>to anybody else. Like anybody else who comes to work

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<v Speaker 2>for us, they will love the company and love everything

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<v Speaker 2>part of it. But I'm going to be the one

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<v Speaker 2>that's putting all my investment in compare to everybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>So what made what's the what a site stand for?

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<v Speaker 1>So are definitely not your initially.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not. I went to school at Howard in DC,

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<v Speaker 2>and at Howard, to size something in DC means to

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<v Speaker 2>like hype it up. Yeah, just eyeball it. It means

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<v Speaker 2>to hype something up. And part of CYSE is to

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<v Speaker 2>uplift and celebrate the black community. So we sice it up.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it is. And then I always write an

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<v Speaker 2>all caps So that's why it looks like an acronym,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you've sized it up. So you started with clothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we started clothing back in twenty twenty. We started

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<v Speaker 2>with the murder of George Floyd. We felt as if

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<v Speaker 2>we were operating as an agency, and as an agency,

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<v Speaker 2>we were creating clothing, so if you wanted to make

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<v Speaker 2>something for like your show, we could create the start

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<v Speaker 2>to finish, from the designs to the websites everything. We

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<v Speaker 2>felt as if George Floyd was murdered, that's literally not

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<v Speaker 2>helpful for us to just make like T shirts for

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<v Speaker 2>you guys. So we pivoted to be more for the

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<v Speaker 2>community and we donated to the first organization, which was

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<v Speaker 2>Anti Racism Fund. So after all of that, we came

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<v Speaker 2>out with the first collection called Tech Black People donated

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<v Speaker 2>all the proceeds to different nonprofit organizations that were focused

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<v Speaker 2>on celebrating the black community.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is around when George Floyd. So you was

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<v Speaker 1>giving up a lot of money, all of it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you just was signing a money yeah. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>the devil wasn't like, hey man, you shouldn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>go to don a seventy percent because during that time,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that was a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a it was a dark time. I felt

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<v Speaker 2>as if a lot of times where people felt I

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<v Speaker 2>felt so hopeless. During that time, I would come into

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<v Speaker 2>just environment of people not understanding what it's like carrying

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<v Speaker 2>the burden of not knowing somebody and feeling the pain

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<v Speaker 2>of his death and like his murder that I just

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know what else to do, and I felt like

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<v Speaker 2>everything I was doing I had a guilty conscious that

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to pivot and I wanted to do it

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<v Speaker 2>in my own way. So all of that money, it

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<v Speaker 2>was never a thought to me about how it could

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<v Speaker 2>be a business out of it. It was really a

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<v Speaker 2>side project. I was trying to do the agency side

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<v Speaker 2>first because I was helping these black owned businesses with

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<v Speaker 2>their production of clothing. So it was very easy because

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<v Speaker 2>I saw other people involved in things, and I'm very

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<v Speaker 2>much big supporter of if somebody's better in something, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna let them do that. Yeah, And there were different

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<v Speaker 2>organizations that are very strong within the community. The I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just donate all the proceeds, because if I tried

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<v Speaker 2>to start the organization up that's trying to help the

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<v Speaker 2>Black community specifically, I didn't have the pillars and the

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<v Speaker 2>structures that these other companies and organizations had.

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<v Speaker 1>So is that why you call it a fashion house?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you initially started as like a creator of clothing

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<v Speaker 1>for different brands exactly particular in particularly slice like in

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<v Speaker 1>the black community.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly to help build the branches out. If you think

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<v Speaker 2>of an entity, and the entity like branches out where

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<v Speaker 2>we have the agency side of it, we have the

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<v Speaker 2>clothing side of it. Everything around it is its own

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<v Speaker 2>entity in its own face. Where the fashion house aspect

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<v Speaker 2>of it we go beyond just like a T shirt.

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<v Speaker 2>We started with that in mind, but there's so much

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<v Speaker 2>that goes into it. Even when we were talking earlier

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<v Speaker 2>about what goes into like a five dollars T shirt

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<v Speaker 2>versus actually construction of the shirt, from like the overall

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<v Speaker 2>grading of a shirt to the fit of it, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more that people don't really think about, and

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<v Speaker 2>I want that to be the business. So a fashion

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<v Speaker 2>house celebrates where it's not just oh yeah, we have

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<v Speaker 2>a clothing brand. It's not just another clothing brand. It's

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<v Speaker 2>focused on the purchase you make goes beyond the items

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<v Speaker 2>that we have. We have statement pieces, but it goes

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<v Speaker 2>deeper than that, and people can feel that in the

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<v Speaker 2>clothing that they wear.

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<v Speaker 1>So but now if someone buys the Protect Black Women

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<v Speaker 1>bag or the Protect Black People back, do those proceeds

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<v Speaker 1>actually go to SISE now or do they still go

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<v Speaker 1>to Anti Racism?

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<v Speaker 2>So that was a partnership with the organization when we

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<v Speaker 2>first started with Anti Racism Fund. Now we do a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of contributions externally and internally for our proceeds. So

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<v Speaker 2>a purchase of a size back, the campaigns that will

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<v Speaker 2>produce will hire like black photographers, videographers, editors, producers, social

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<v Speaker 2>media managers, the set and the crew will be like

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<v Speaker 2>focused on the black community. We also do like in

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<v Speaker 2>kind donations where we're working with organizations now within like

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles and the US to help like uplift and

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<v Speaker 2>celebrate the community. To date, we've donated over sixty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars in products to different black owned organizations and eighty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars monetarily to different orgs. So we take like

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<v Speaker 2>part of the proceeds from the sales to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the way we operate, like our team is

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<v Speaker 2>completely like black lad and just we focus on just

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<v Speaker 2>celebrating and all in all building the community around us.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice. Yeah, we got milk, yeah, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you want to stir it a little bit though, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I got to stir it just a little bit so

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<v Speaker 2>that way it can like absorb it.

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<v Speaker 1>Do I really want it to absorb it?

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<v Speaker 2>Though?

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I put way too many.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be too It's gonna be too much on

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<v Speaker 2>the stomach. If you're just like eating it, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna be mushy.

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<v Speaker 3>Nah.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys, you're doing good?

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<v Speaker 1>All right? Do I have too many oats? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be this?

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<v Speaker 2>Like this? You can always add more like if it's

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<v Speaker 2>not working out, we can always add more more oat milk.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So their mine looks all cereal esque. Yeah, just

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, I'm not a huge fan of oatmeal.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like a little granola bur aunt.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, except for it doesn't have anything sweet in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, what's the next step.

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<v Speaker 2>So the next thing that we'll do is we'll add

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<v Speaker 2>y yogurt that'll give.

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<v Speaker 1>It more of a Is there a reason why we

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<v Speaker 1>have vanilla flavored?

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<v Speaker 2>So that way you don't have to addohole bunch of like

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<v Speaker 2>sweeteners and stuff. It gives it its flavor without having

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<v Speaker 2>like ado whole bunch of sugar and stuff that comes

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<v Speaker 2>with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, you want to use different spoons?

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<v Speaker 2>I personally don't care. Oh yeah, just kidding. I care

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<v Speaker 2>a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like this sho yeah yeah, here here, oh

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<v Speaker 1>just use I'll just you're using it just to right,

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, I'm helping you, Okay, okay, So we're putting

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<v Speaker 1>a spoon.

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<v Speaker 2>Two spoons, two or three tablespoons in it? Nice on

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<v Speaker 2>your consistency? Do you want it more like running consistency?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want it thicker? How do you like if

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<v Speaker 2>you were to choose thicker?

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't want it mushy? Okay, all right, this

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<v Speaker 1>definitely Oh man, here we go. Okay, all right, here

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<v Speaker 1>we go. I'm gonna all right, what's the next step

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<v Speaker 1>after this?

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna add our garnish in here. So cheese seeds,

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<v Speaker 2>cheeseas are really good for fiber and like digestives, Like

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<v Speaker 2>when you have things like oatmeal and stuff, it's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>heavy on the stomach, so it'll keep you full. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just like to add a little bit of cheese

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<v Speaker 2>seeds in it to get the fiber side of it,

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<v Speaker 2>but they have to soak up in the liquid. So

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<v Speaker 2>I just add just really a third of it, tablespoon

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<v Speaker 2>in here, just a little bit, because seeds can get

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<v Speaker 2>kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Crazy crazy as in mushy, yeah, mushy, or you'll be

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<v Speaker 1>on this kind of both.

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<v Speaker 2>That's too much.

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<v Speaker 1>We bought this big bag of chis seeds just for this.

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<v Speaker 2>I could have brought something from home.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Is that enough? Or do I need to

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<v Speaker 1>put less?

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<v Speaker 2>That's good?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's good. I'm gonna end up in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of interviews. All right, So we got the chis seeds

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<v Speaker 1>on the Greek yogurt.

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<v Speaker 2>It, honey, you add stuff on top of it, honey,

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<v Speaker 2>makes it a little week sweeter too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's do that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>You better put a lot. I'm joking. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not even mine. Who knows. I know, the one with

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<v Speaker 1>the least is probably gonna be yours mine. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>treat it like it's syrup.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go, and then mix it. Just make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that consistency. I know, it's just mine doesn't look too

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<v Speaker 2>good right now, so why I just don't like the

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<v Speaker 2>way it looks.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't look right.

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<v Speaker 2>This one doesn't. This one looks fine. Yours looks good too.

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't you eat the one that looks fine?

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta give GC some time otherwise it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>like too hard on your stomach.

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<v Speaker 1>You keep saying hard on your stomach. You're making me nervous.

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<v Speaker 2>Wells is like absorbed with the consistency and texture that

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<v Speaker 2>they have with it. So when you put chiese seeds

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<v Speaker 2>into these different yeah, just a little bit, but chis

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<v Speaker 2>is also absorbed to about like ten times the size

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<v Speaker 2>of it. So you don't want to just be like

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<v Speaker 2>crunching on them. It's not supposed to be all that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd rather crunch in slickery slick.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not gonna do all that just cause you

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<v Speaker 2>got like a little tea spoon of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this looks like uh, is mine supposed to look

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<v Speaker 1>like soup?

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<v Speaker 2>You should probably put like a little bit more oatmeal

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<v Speaker 2>in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh alright, guys, so when you're making it at home,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not supposed to look too soupy. Alright, When do

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<v Speaker 1>we hit the fruit?

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<v Speaker 2>That's the last step, to be honest. So that's right now, Thanks, alright, there.

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<v Speaker 1>I love this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hm like hm or mmm.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, there you go. And the cool thing about the

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<v Speaker 2>fruit is that the longer you let it sit, so

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<v Speaker 2>if you're making them overnight, the fruit, it's natural sugars

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<v Speaker 2>go into the oatmeal. So it's it's good.

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<v Speaker 1>There's it good because of the honey or the yogurt.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's just a culmination of everything. What I

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<v Speaker 2>like to do now is when I do make it,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll add a protein powder in it, and the protein

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<v Speaker 2>powder I have would be like either like a chocolate

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<v Speaker 2>or like a honey protein powder.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna front it's good, right, as long as

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't get too soggy, I'm with it. Yeah, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna be all being septical loves right now.

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<v Speaker 2>No judgment, no judgment.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we got the little fruit in there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you got the fruit.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought this was gonna be a yogurt parthe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's why I said kind of right, because it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of looks like it, but it's also not.

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<v Speaker 1>So are we supposed to smash the fruit in here?

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<v Speaker 2>You can? I don't like that just because it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>what am I eating, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, yours looks I put a way too.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, it's cool, all right, let.

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<v Speaker 1>Me see, No what I can get good down with this.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would never male practice hmmm, because I'm afraid

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<v Speaker 1>that it would be mush m.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's good if.

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<v Speaker 1>It's probably two week because I'm not trying to let

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<v Speaker 1>it soap. But I like it. Yeah, as long as

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<v Speaker 1>the consistency is more like this, because I promise you,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like in a couple of hours this will

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<v Speaker 1>be mush.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you can always add more oatmeal, just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of how you had a lot going on earlier, but

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<v Speaker 2>you add more so it's not too much. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>prepping it in the morning or you're doing it on

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<v Speaker 2>the go, you can maybe do like half of it

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<v Speaker 2>and then mix it so it's like maybe like half

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<v Speaker 2>of it might be a little bit more soggy compared

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<v Speaker 2>to like half of it is not as much.

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<v Speaker 1>If I get in the bottom, is it gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>really soggy?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm impressed.

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<v Speaker 2>See you were questioning it before.

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<v Speaker 1>I was questioning the whole time.

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<v Speaker 2>This is really good and I would make a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of them at the same time because you can just

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<v Speaker 2>have it. Some people like it a little bit runnier.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't because I like to have a hearty feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's if we're looking like a breakfast and stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>I like it to be a little thicker.

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<v Speaker 1>And why do you like the oat milk with the yogurt?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a reason that if someone wanted to just

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<v Speaker 1>do it with the yogurt and the oats, would it work?

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hm. I feel like it wouldn't be as good.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be like a little harder. So it's just

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<v Speaker 2>like eating dry oatmeal. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love it. I don't know it's because I

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<v Speaker 1>put a lot of sugar in its.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you know, it works.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a definite win for affordability mm hm, portaste, and

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<v Speaker 1>I guarantee I won't be hunger.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's definitely feeling. And you have a lot of it,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to eat it all in one go.

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<v Speaker 2>You can always add more to it.

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<v Speaker 1>The fruit are just amazing in it.

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<v Speaker 2>And people will put like chocolate chips and stuff in it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it depends on what you're trying to do. Right, Like

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<v Speaker 2>when I was first starting my business, I didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>all those chocolate chips and all that stuff. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>like baking cookies. This was eating this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah during the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 2>During the pandemic, you didn't try to get.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you get unemployment during the pandemic?

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<v Speaker 2>I did? But like it? Yeah, like especially just from

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<v Speaker 2>like my livelihood perspective, it wasn't. I'm also a person

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<v Speaker 2>of habit. So I'll eat this and I'll just continue

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<v Speaker 2>eating it until I just get sick of it, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I have another obsession.

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<v Speaker 1>Not mean, not me.

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<v Speaker 2>You want variety.

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<v Speaker 1>It's weird. I'll meal prep for the week. This week

0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:53.399
<v Speaker 1>it's sprends. You know. Oh, let me tell you something.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone better email me if you're listening to this episode

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<v Speaker 1>about how to properly cook benzino man, because when I

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<v Speaker 1>go to the store, they cook it in a way

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<v Speaker 1>where it's really soft. Yeah, but when I cook it,

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<v Speaker 1>I cook it on a very low heat in butter. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I do add a lot of flavorings of mine. Is

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<v Speaker 1>like taste great, But I can't seem to get the

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<v Speaker 1>benzino to be soft without going dry. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it's because I'm paranoid. Because some parts of

0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:27.960
<v Speaker 1>the fish don't look fully good. Yeah, you know, it's

0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:29.520
<v Speaker 1>like it looks cooked, but it doesn't look cooked.

0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm very big proponent of overcooking instead of undercooking.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not say like when you try it today, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm like, yo, try this benzino. You're gonna be like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's good, but it's a little dry. But then I'll

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<v Speaker 1>go to like a restaurant and they make it perfect

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? Can

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<v Speaker 1>someone just tell me how to cook brenzino?

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to this restaurant when I was in New

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<v Speaker 2>York for a New York Fashion Week and it had

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<v Speaker 2>a They had this branzino. It's the best branzino I've

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<v Speaker 2>probably ever had, But it was on top of this dish.

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<v Speaker 2>It was boiling in a stew the whole time, so

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<v Speaker 2>it was still cooking while all of the juices inside

0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:07.320
<v Speaker 2>of it were kind of marinating it.

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<v Speaker 1>Where was that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a place called fish Cheeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Fish Cheeks, so we need to go hit a fish.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going at the best one brazino I've had.

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<v Speaker 1>Really Yeah, that sounds really good.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really good.

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<v Speaker 1>I love me a good bronzino, but I still haven't

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<v Speaker 1>perfectly mastered cooking.

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the art.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah it's I know it's a low heat. It's got

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<v Speaker 1>to be a low heat. Question is is like I

0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:35.000
<v Speaker 1>always get nervous, like it has to be cooked.

0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:37.600
<v Speaker 2>It has to be cooked. You can't have that under But.

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<v Speaker 1>You see how they make it in the restaurant where

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<v Speaker 1>it's like just the perfect texture and.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you like, is it like the type of butter

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<v Speaker 1>or because you got to be cooking it in a butter.

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<v Speaker 1>I would imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>Something like that. Got probably covering it and doing.

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<v Speaker 1>You think covering it? Maybe I was thinking that yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>actually covering it.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I don't cover it. You know, one part of

0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:01.760
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be really good and the rest is like, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I love me. By the way, guys shout out to

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Trader Joe's because Trader Joe's sells uh Brenzenore with all

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<v Speaker 1>the bones out lace bag.

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<v Speaker 2>I had their cod. I didn't have the branzino.

0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh do you know how a cood cod?

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<v Speaker 2>I try? We talked about burning stuff. I'll try it on.

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<v Speaker 2>Try it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So let's go back into sice here you can

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>slide all these ingredients. Ober, Now we know we could

0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:39.400
<v Speaker 1>make affordable, healthy meals exactly. So take me back to siss. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>under the bags into the picture.

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<v Speaker 2>The bags entered the picture a couple months after the

0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:47.240
<v Speaker 2>first collection we came out with. So the first collection,

0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:51.120
<v Speaker 2>we donated all the proceeds to Anti Racism Fund. And

0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 2>then I just remembered I have a background in finance,

0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 2>so I used to work in New York, and in

0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:58.320
<v Speaker 2>New York I did project management, and a big thing

0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:01.560
<v Speaker 2>people cared about were watches and purses. I knew that

0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 2>the way that somebody cared about like collecting, you're even

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:06.960
<v Speaker 2>talking about like cars in general, the way people I.

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<v Speaker 1>Love me to watch. I was trying not to say

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 1>it because I'm broke, so I don't have the Rolexes yet,

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, I dream of rolex.

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<v Speaker 2>All the time. And I think that that's the feeling

0:30:16.200 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 2>I want people to have when they have my products,

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<v Speaker 2>is that it's the even if I'm not buying something immediately,

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:25.640
<v Speaker 2>I want to aspire to have that or I want

0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 2>to be around that. It's not just the status symbol.

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 2>It's like the acquiring it's you look forward to it.

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:34.720
<v Speaker 2>So that feeling and seeing people I'd see people get

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 2>so excited about the handbags and I didn't understand it

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:40.440
<v Speaker 2>at first, and I said, I want that same feeling

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:43.000
<v Speaker 2>with the clothing that we make, especially with the messaging

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 2>we make. Because the messaging we say says protect black people,

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:49.920
<v Speaker 2>protect black women. Those are statements, and when you think

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:52.600
<v Speaker 2>of the messaging that you have from that, it's very

0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:55.680
<v Speaker 2>easy for the messaging to get carried away if the

0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 2>branding is not very intentional. Yeah, and I think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of times when you look at iHeart New York

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<v Speaker 2>t shirts, people slap that on a whole bunch of shirts.

0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:06.960
<v Speaker 2>You don't know who originally started it and how it

0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:09.360
<v Speaker 2>became what it is. And I don't want that for

0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 2>the brand. I wanted to be like, protect black people,

0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:13.880
<v Speaker 2>how this is the brand of cis, this is how

0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:17.400
<v Speaker 2>we do. So I've translated that over to handbags, and

0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:19.440
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to do an embossing effect, and with the

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 2>embossing effect that way, it's not just like a big, bright,

0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 2>screen printed design. I wanted to be something that's still subtle,

0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:27.400
<v Speaker 2>bold and stands out.

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<v Speaker 1>With the definitely stands out. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, it

0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:35.440
<v Speaker 1>is right there, exactly out there. So how hard was

0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:37.160
<v Speaker 1>it to do that transition into back.

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:41.800
<v Speaker 2>It was interesting. A lot of my community didn't believe

0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:45.080
<v Speaker 2>in me making them, so at first my friend was like,

0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 2>you don't know how to make handbags. You're never going

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:47.400
<v Speaker 2>to be able to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that friend still your friend?

0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yes, shout out to JB YEA.

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:02.680
<v Speaker 1>All the way out there. Okay, he's very I don't

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:04.960
<v Speaker 1>know if he's gonna be a friend after this interview. No.

0:32:05.160 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 2>It's funny because he always like, there's absolutely no way

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:10.680
<v Speaker 2>this can work. This is the dumbest thing ever, Like,

0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 2>there's no way that you can do the bus. But

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:17.920
<v Speaker 2>as the brand started to build up, he would call

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 2>me and he's like, I just saw the release that

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 2>you did, and I've been doubting you all this time,

0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:26.880
<v Speaker 2>and I just like to say, I'm sorry everything I

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:29.600
<v Speaker 2>doubted about you making this like you did it.

0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 1>He's like, now when you call me, you can say

0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:35.040
<v Speaker 1>that you're making Tou Tou and I'm on board. Does

0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 1>I know you're gonna do it?

0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So he when that happened, he would call me

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 2>for every release, and it was so funny because he

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:43.720
<v Speaker 2>would call me and be like, I just didn't think

0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 2>that you could do it and you're really doing it.

0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:49.560
<v Speaker 2>He bought his family bags, he bought like everybody friend. Yeah,

0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:53.840
<v Speaker 2>so it's it's not yeah, but I'm the person that's like,

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:55.760
<v Speaker 2>when you say I can't do something, I'm gonna go

0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:56.920
<v Speaker 2>out of my way to try to figure out how

0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:57.200
<v Speaker 2>to do. So.

0:32:57.240 --> 0:32:59.160
<v Speaker 1>He's a really close friend. He's a close so when

0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:03.680
<v Speaker 1>he said it, you were like, all right to challenge mofo. Exactly, Okay, exactly,

0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Thank you JB for your contribution towards this bag that

0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:10.760
<v Speaker 1>we all now can celebrate and rock. Yes, because of

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:14.320
<v Speaker 1>you and Blake, it's possible.

0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 2>Yes. And then my other best friend Vernon, so Vernon

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:19.200
<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, don't listen to him. You can definitely

0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:21.080
<v Speaker 2>do it. He was a very big proponent when we

0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:25.280
<v Speaker 2>started as an agency. He makes grooming products, and with

0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:28.560
<v Speaker 2>his grooming products we made hoodies with like satin lining

0:33:28.600 --> 0:33:30.600
<v Speaker 2>on the inside to be protective hair. He was one

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:34.000
<v Speaker 2>of our first clients, so as we were starting to

0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:36.080
<v Speaker 2>like produce clothing for him because he's focused on grooming,

0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't focused on the apparel side of it. He's like,

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:40.120
<v Speaker 2>you just need to do it. This is something that's

0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:42.320
<v Speaker 2>like maybe might not be in your wheelhouse, but you

0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:45.440
<v Speaker 2>can learn it take the steps to it. So Vernon

0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:48.000
<v Speaker 2>was like my crutch in terms of like, oh, do

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 2>you think that this is a realistic thing that I

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:53.200
<v Speaker 2>can accomplish? And Vernon helps a lot with like the

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:56.880
<v Speaker 2>thought and intentionality for programming for me. So my community

0:33:56.920 --> 0:33:58.960
<v Speaker 2>has been like even if it was like a form

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:01.320
<v Speaker 2>of doubt, that form of doubt has been a pillar

0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 2>to the success and the growth around. Instead of it

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:06.560
<v Speaker 2>being like people behind my back saying that you can't

0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:08.799
<v Speaker 2>do it and wanting me to fail, it's more so

0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 2>like saying that this is a challenge, you can overcome it,

0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:14.799
<v Speaker 2>but there are requirements to be able to do that.

0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:16.799
<v Speaker 2>So I'm very thankful for the people that are running me.

0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:19.080
<v Speaker 1>Well. They also sound very much like because you have

0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:20.759
<v Speaker 1>the guys that are like, you can't do this, and

0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:24.400
<v Speaker 1>they're like whatever. But when he calls and he says like, hey, wow,

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:26.880
<v Speaker 1>you did it, and I'm not only gonna you know,

0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, just be like shout out. So I'm gonna

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:32.160
<v Speaker 1>buy it from my family and friends like oh yeah,

0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:34.279
<v Speaker 1>that's a really good Yeah, it sounds like you have

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:35.840
<v Speaker 1>a good set of friends.

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:38.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And the community. I wouldn't be anything without the

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 2>community around us. So not only my friends, my family,

0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 2>the people who I don't know were the people that

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:44.799
<v Speaker 2>launch and got the business to where it is. So

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:48.920
<v Speaker 2>without them, when we were originally starting to advertise, we

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:51.920
<v Speaker 2>couldn't advertise because of the presidential election in twenty twenty.

0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Anything that's considered a political message was paused. It was

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 2>illegal to promote any type of political statements, so we

0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:03.480
<v Speaker 2>couldn't do any type of paid advertisement on Facebook, Google, Instagram,

0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 2>you couldn't do anything like that. So everything had.

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:07.440
<v Speaker 1>To be I don't even know that was a rule,

0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:08.120
<v Speaker 1>it was.

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:11.440
<v Speaker 2>It was. It was started back in September of twenty twenty,

0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 2>I believe, and it was supposed to only go through

0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:16.279
<v Speaker 2>the election, but they pushed it all the way from

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:19.120
<v Speaker 2>September up until I believe March or April of twenty

0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:19.640
<v Speaker 2>twenty one.

0:35:19.760 --> 0:35:21.240
<v Speaker 1>And these are like social media.

0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:23.840
<v Speaker 2>This is like Facebook, Instagram, this is the start of

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 2>everything for the brand. So our brand was all social media.

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 2>So if you were focused on that and you're focused

0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:31.600
<v Speaker 2>on paid advertisement, it would have killed our business. So

0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:34.239
<v Speaker 2>the community around us was really like, we're promoting you

0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:36.360
<v Speaker 2>the word of mouth We had a lot of celebrities

0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:39.759
<v Speaker 2>wearing our items without asking them to do it. They

0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 2>were just part of the community that built us. And

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:45.160
<v Speaker 2>it's funny because the original start of it was for

0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:48.080
<v Speaker 2>the community, but the community was the backbone to actually

0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:49.200
<v Speaker 2>help us thrive as well.

0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:52.080
<v Speaker 1>You got to clarify when you say community because it

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 1>sounds like I don't know what you're talking about when

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:55.160
<v Speaker 1>you say that.

0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:58.960
<v Speaker 2>So community to me would be the people I work with,

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:03.280
<v Speaker 2>the customers, it'd be family, friends, anybody who's in charge

0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:05.560
<v Speaker 2>of like having opportunities to be on a show like this.

0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:08.360
<v Speaker 2>This is like community to me. And I think community

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:10.759
<v Speaker 2>is somebody that wants you to be around in any

0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:13.520
<v Speaker 2>type of environment they see fit. So that would be

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:19.600
<v Speaker 2>if I can see success in other people without any benefit,

0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:23.719
<v Speaker 2>that's community to me. So if I were to say that, oh,

0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:25.320
<v Speaker 2>do I know a good show that I want to

0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:27.560
<v Speaker 2>invest in, I think of your show. I'll be like, hey,

0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 2>look at this show. This is a good opportunity for me.

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:32.520
<v Speaker 2>I might not get anything out of it, but because

0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:35.759
<v Speaker 2>you are there for me, that vouch is the community,

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:38.799
<v Speaker 2>and people would buy these items, buy the handbags and

0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:40.920
<v Speaker 2>be like, regardless of if I know you are not.

0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:43.280
<v Speaker 2>This is what I stand for, this is what I represent.

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm part of the thing.

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:47.000
<v Speaker 1>And then they're in, they're posting this and they're like

0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:51.799
<v Speaker 1>integrating in any power that they can't. Oh, okay, that's

0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:55.320
<v Speaker 1>amazing yea. So even though you couldn't advertise, the community

0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 1>was the one that really built the brand. Yes, that's awesactly.

0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:02.280
<v Speaker 1>Now take me back to like the very beginning first steps.

0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:05.239
<v Speaker 1>You said you had a background in finance. Yes, so

0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 1>let's backtrack a little bit. Yakay, what's going on there?

0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:12.840
<v Speaker 2>I used to study supply chain management before going to Howard.

0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:15.160
<v Speaker 2>I did a lot of T shirts and I had

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:17.359
<v Speaker 2>like a brand where I was creating T shirts, screen

0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:18.960
<v Speaker 2>printing and doing a lot of that, and I was

0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:24.520
<v Speaker 2>doing international design. So with that, I was creating varsity jackets,

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:28.320
<v Speaker 2>T shirts for fraternities and sororities on campus. I wanted

0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:30.600
<v Speaker 2>to figure out what the business side of it was,

0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:33.040
<v Speaker 2>so I wanted to take a job on Wall Street

0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 2>and that's when I did project management under financial institution groups,

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:38.719
<v Speaker 2>which in it like.

0:37:38.640 --> 0:37:41.279
<v Speaker 1>Give me an example of financial institution.

0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:43.759
<v Speaker 2>So like a credit rating agency, you will issue a

0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:46.560
<v Speaker 2>bond for a company if they're able to secure like

0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:48.520
<v Speaker 2>a loan or like a large amount of money. It

0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:50.920
<v Speaker 2>rates the likelihood of them paying them back or not.

0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 2>I was doing the operation, data and control side of it,

0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 2>so any of the operations internally within the company. I

0:37:57.320 --> 0:37:59.440
<v Speaker 2>was helping them build that out from like a project

0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:02.279
<v Speaker 2>management soe of like saying that you guys need to

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:04.880
<v Speaker 2>do this in order to succeed. Here is what I

0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:07.480
<v Speaker 2>was doing. I was learning the business intricacies of how

0:38:07.520 --> 0:38:10.000
<v Speaker 2>to build the business and how the corporation was running

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:12.120
<v Speaker 2>from like a day to day perspective.

0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 1>That's a lot. Yeah, I think that's the first time

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:22.160
<v Speaker 1>where I almost would need us to go off camera

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 1>and take that down. Okay, that's a lot. I'm not

0:38:26.600 --> 0:38:30.000
<v Speaker 1>even gonna entertain how intrat that just went down a

0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:33.080
<v Speaker 1>hole that I it was almost like you speak at Chinese.

0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:36.280
<v Speaker 1>But okay, so you were in this line of work

0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:38.960
<v Speaker 1>and then what happens.

0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:44.320
<v Speaker 2>I broke my ankle. I was at a rollerblading birthday party,

0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:46.799
<v Speaker 2>and I thought I was better than what I was.

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:50.160
<v Speaker 2>You've seen a roll bounds, right. I'm having the time

0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:51.799
<v Speaker 2>of my life. I used to play hockey as a kid.

0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:55.960
<v Speaker 2>All of a sudden, I am just getting too conceded.

0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:58.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm going around the rink doing like three sixties and

0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:01.120
<v Speaker 2>all that, and I fell back clip my broke my ankle.

0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:02.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean I would have been mortified.

0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:06.919
<v Speaker 2>It was crazy. So I ended up calling an uber

0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:10.160
<v Speaker 2>to the hospital and they're like, yeah, you broke it

0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:12.720
<v Speaker 2>really bad. You need to have surgery on your ankle.

0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:15.319
<v Speaker 2>And I remember, I'm like, oh, I don't have time

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:20.319
<v Speaker 2>for this. I flew from New York to LA to

0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:23.600
<v Speaker 2>go to to have surgery on my ankle. My mom

0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:25.839
<v Speaker 2>had knee replacement surgery and I took care of her,

0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:26.919
<v Speaker 2>so I was like, I'll just go to the same

0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:29.440
<v Speaker 2>place that she went to have the surgery that comes

0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:32.920
<v Speaker 2>with it. And I just remembered how happy I was

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:35.640
<v Speaker 2>being back in LA because everything I described to you

0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:38.880
<v Speaker 2>was exactly how it felt working in that office. It

0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:42.120
<v Speaker 2>was just very structure, structure, structured. It's confusing what am

0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:44.560
<v Speaker 2>I doing on a day to day basis. My habits

0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:48.080
<v Speaker 2>were very like New York. Every single day was very repetitive,

0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:50.759
<v Speaker 2>and I remember that when I had surgery. It's it's

0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:53.359
<v Speaker 2>fun to come back and visit. I love coming back

0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:55.319
<v Speaker 2>to visit New York, but I'm glad that I moved, like,

0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:57.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad that that chapter has So.

0:39:57.239 --> 0:39:58.839
<v Speaker 1>You went all the way home to do.

0:39:58.800 --> 0:40:00.359
<v Speaker 2>The surgery, to have the surgery.

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:01.920
<v Speaker 1>And what's your job saying at the time.

0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:04.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know because I sent an email I said,

0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:07.879
<v Speaker 2>broke my ankle going to LA to have surgery. I'll

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:08.239
<v Speaker 2>be back.

0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:10.520
<v Speaker 1>And they were like, oh, it's cool.

0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Probably not because at the time it wasn't popular to

0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:19.360
<v Speaker 2>work remote. So this is before this was before COVID,

0:40:19.480 --> 0:40:21.719
<v Speaker 2>and I was saying that, hey, I should do a

0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:24.160
<v Speaker 2>remote role. They're like, that's never going to work. That's

0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:25.279
<v Speaker 2>never going to work, anything like that.

0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, got you got fired?

0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:30.399
<v Speaker 2>No, I didn't you. I didn't. I was like, okay, cool,

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:32.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll come back. So after I healed, I flew back

0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:34.680
<v Speaker 2>to New York and I was like, okay, well, I

0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:37.239
<v Speaker 2>was really happy in LA. Do you think I could

0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:40.600
<v Speaker 2>do remote? And They're like, hmmm, probably not. I don't

0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 2>see how that could work in the foreseeable future. So

0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:46.520
<v Speaker 2>I said, okay, well, I really want to pursue for

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:50.480
<v Speaker 2>my own happiness, like clothing and production and apparel. I

0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:52.440
<v Speaker 2>put in a month's worth of notice before.

0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:56.279
<v Speaker 1>I left my job, so you literally told them that. Yeah, yeah,

0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:58.239
<v Speaker 1>I said, so I want to go do this. Yeah,

0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:00.640
<v Speaker 1>we got four weeks to figure it out out. I'll

0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:01.360
<v Speaker 1>train whoever.

0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:04.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because normally people will give like two weeks or

0:41:04.640 --> 0:41:07.160
<v Speaker 2>even if if company is very confidential, if you tell

0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:09.160
<v Speaker 2>somebody about to leave, they'll kick you out the same day,

0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:09.840
<v Speaker 2>depending on.

0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 1>The company they valued you. You were like, I'm going

0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:16.839
<v Speaker 1>to LA. They're like, there's New York hospitals all over yeah.

0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:19.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah. And then being in La, I just felt

0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:24.560
<v Speaker 2>really happy and I didn't think about it is just

0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:27.040
<v Speaker 2>so great because I could do everything. I was sitting

0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:28.520
<v Speaker 2>at home eating better.

0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:31.200
<v Speaker 1>You can't eat pizza over there. There's no good Chinese.

0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:34.839
<v Speaker 1>But okay, there's good Chinese here. There's good Chinese food here.

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:41.239
<v Speaker 1>There's a couple not there are spots, I'll tell you. Yeah,

0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:42.520
<v Speaker 1>so comparable.

0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:48.480
<v Speaker 2>No, it's not as good, but it's comparable. It is comparable.

0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:49.319
<v Speaker 2>Like you can't get that.

0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:52.919
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you're eating you know, alts and stuff in La,

0:41:53.160 --> 0:41:54.880
<v Speaker 1>got it right?

0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:58.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So going from the job of that, it was

0:41:58.440 --> 0:42:01.080
<v Speaker 2>a complete change, because it's a bleat change that I

0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:02.799
<v Speaker 2>didn't have a job. I didn't have anything like that.

0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:05.920
<v Speaker 2>I had my family back home. I wasn't making the

0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:08.239
<v Speaker 2>income I was making in New York, so I had

0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:10.359
<v Speaker 2>resources that I could always fall back on. I'm very

0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:12.920
<v Speaker 2>privileged to have that, but I didn't have it to

0:42:12.960 --> 0:42:14.080
<v Speaker 2>just be like, you know what, We're gonna get a

0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:15.480
<v Speaker 2>haircut every single week.

0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:16.919
<v Speaker 1>So did you move back with your mom?

0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:19.640
<v Speaker 2>I moved back in with my mom. Yeah. Shoot, I

0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:21.360
<v Speaker 2>moved back in with my mom. And my mom didn't

0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:22.799
<v Speaker 2>know what I was doing. She's like, what do you

0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:24.520
<v Speaker 2>do for a living? I was like, I'm trying.

0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:27.719
<v Speaker 1>Like so you you went, showed up to work, gave

0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:31.040
<v Speaker 1>a month notice, and I'm the fallback.

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:32.719
<v Speaker 2>It was kind of like I'm going to send all

0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:35.399
<v Speaker 2>my stuff back home. She's like, what do you mean?

0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:37.360
<v Speaker 2>What do you mean I got Yeah, I started shipping

0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:38.040
<v Speaker 2>and stuff back back.

0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:39.359
<v Speaker 1>I already moved into your room.

0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she decorated it. It was like a little area

0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:44.839
<v Speaker 2>that her friends would get together. So I didn't have

0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:47.839
<v Speaker 2>a room for probably about six months when I moved back.

0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Because she didn't believe I was trying to move back.

0:42:50.280 --> 0:42:52.000
<v Speaker 2>She's like, it's nuts that you're trying to come back.

0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:57.640
<v Speaker 1>To try to come back, it soun like, yo, you

0:42:57.719 --> 0:42:59.960
<v Speaker 1>really ain't got to come back here.

0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:01.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't have anything for you.

0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:02.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:03.120
<v Speaker 2>So I was.

0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:04.400
<v Speaker 1>There and she forced it.

0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:06.359
<v Speaker 2>You forced it. I told her stuff was on the way.

0:43:06.640 --> 0:43:08.719
<v Speaker 2>The stuff was on the way, and it's.

0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Like wise like, Okay, you come back and you're gonna

0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:13.160
<v Speaker 1>put in on these bills.

0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:17.439
<v Speaker 2>No, because I was I would give her money before

0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:19.680
<v Speaker 2>she asked. And that's just like I was saying before

0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:23.240
<v Speaker 2>payroll is like, let's get it over with before people

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:26.239
<v Speaker 2>feel as if you're taking advantage of them. And that's

0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:28.400
<v Speaker 2>like the biggest advice I give to anybody is like,

0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:30.920
<v Speaker 2>put those expectations up front. And I told her It's

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<v Speaker 2>like it never surprised her that I was moving back,

0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:36.200
<v Speaker 2>Like I never blindsided her. She may not have wanted it,

0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:37.080
<v Speaker 2>but I moved back.

0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so my mom, you're gonna tell I know this

0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:44.560
<v Speaker 1>story is gonna end.

0:43:44.920 --> 0:43:47.080
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be great. So my mom never knew what

0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:49.719
<v Speaker 2>I did. And I was creating clothing for all these

0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:53.720
<v Speaker 2>different businesses, and as it started to get larger and larger,

0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:58.759
<v Speaker 2>I helped design my grandmother's obituary. I did like all

0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:03.120
<v Speaker 2>the design for it because originally just standard obituaries they

0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:05.640
<v Speaker 2>put the wings on people, and it's like the background,

0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:08.080
<v Speaker 2>it looks kind of crazy. So I was like, let

0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:10.760
<v Speaker 2>me redo everything, and that's when she understood the branding

0:44:10.840 --> 0:44:19.719
<v Speaker 2>side of it.

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:26.920
<v Speaker 1>But go back before you get to the obituary. Respectfully,

0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:30.879
<v Speaker 1>you said you were doing this for other brands. You

0:44:30.920 --> 0:44:35.200
<v Speaker 1>move here from finance, you don't have I don't have anybody,

0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:37.400
<v Speaker 1>So how are you picking up these brands?

0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Just word of mouth. I'd reach out to people and

0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:41.960
<v Speaker 2>pitch these ideas, and I think that that was like

0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:44.320
<v Speaker 2>a pivot point for me. Is because a company like

0:44:44.360 --> 0:44:46.880
<v Speaker 2>a grooming company, does not make apparel.

0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:49.920
<v Speaker 1>So what'd you call? You were going through not the

0:44:50.040 --> 0:44:53.080
<v Speaker 1>Yellow Pages obviously, Well who were you calling? Like what

0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:55.560
<v Speaker 1>was your mindset? I'm going to land at home. I'm

0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:59.239
<v Speaker 1>gonna call oatmeal companies, Like what. I want to know

0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 1>exactly what that plan was? Like, you fly in, your

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:04.840
<v Speaker 1>mom's like he's crazy. Hopefully he leaves in a week.

0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:07.399
<v Speaker 1>You're sitting at home. You're like, I know, I want

0:45:07.400 --> 0:45:10.560
<v Speaker 1>to do this fashion brand. Yeah, what are your exact

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:11.280
<v Speaker 1>next steps?

0:45:11.440 --> 0:45:14.040
<v Speaker 2>I just started reaching out to anybody I knew who

0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:16.160
<v Speaker 2>had a company or anybody who had an idea for

0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:18.279
<v Speaker 2>a company, and I just started talking to people and

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:20.799
<v Speaker 2>you get creative. When the first couple of years of

0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:24.080
<v Speaker 2>my business, I was just I'd make T shirts for

0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:25.800
<v Speaker 2>this brand, I would make hoodies for this brand. I

0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:28.000
<v Speaker 2>would call somebody say, hey, have you thought about making

0:45:28.040 --> 0:45:30.919
<v Speaker 2>a clothing brand? They're like, no, I haven't. Oh well

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:33.480
<v Speaker 2>I made designs for you. I make the designs for them,

0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:35.240
<v Speaker 2>and then if it works, it works. If it doesn't,

0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:37.440
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't. And I think that that was a turning

0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:41.320
<v Speaker 2>point for me is that with the murder of George Floyd,

0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:44.520
<v Speaker 2>it showed that the clothing that I would make for

0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:49.080
<v Speaker 2>another business may not be conducive as a black business

0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:51.400
<v Speaker 2>to support them. So making T shirts for a grooming

0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:55.240
<v Speaker 2>company was not helping them open up a new stream

0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:57.440
<v Speaker 2>of revenue. It was just kind of like a side

0:45:57.440 --> 0:45:59.920
<v Speaker 2>project for them. So I wanted to instead of it

0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:02.120
<v Speaker 2>being like we're trying to solve the problem for businesses

0:46:02.120 --> 0:46:04.600
<v Speaker 2>that they never had, I wanted to pivot it and

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:08.080
<v Speaker 2>use the intention that we have with our branding for

0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:11.360
<v Speaker 2>the clothing, and that contribution would give back to the

0:46:11.440 --> 0:46:12.640
<v Speaker 2>organizations around us.

0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:15.240
<v Speaker 1>So you're physically designing, though.

0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:18.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you not outsourced designing. I was making the websites

0:46:18.880 --> 0:46:20.960
<v Speaker 2>of learning how to code. I was just doing anything

0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:23.279
<v Speaker 2>because I just wanted to be involved. And then I

0:46:23.360 --> 0:46:27.960
<v Speaker 2>realized that as time progressed, what is the intentionality behind

0:46:28.040 --> 0:46:30.840
<v Speaker 2>what am I doing with these businesses? And that's refining

0:46:30.880 --> 0:46:33.960
<v Speaker 2>it from business to business to business to consumer. And

0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:36.760
<v Speaker 2>that started the brand of SIS as a clothing brand.

0:46:37.520 --> 0:46:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Now going back to the grooming. So you call

0:46:41.040 --> 0:46:43.959
<v Speaker 1>me grooming as in pets are grooming as.

0:46:43.840 --> 0:46:44.880
<v Speaker 2>An adult neck beard?

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, groom and beard. Just you're like, hey, man,

0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:51.120
<v Speaker 1>have you ever thought of peril? Absolutely not. I groomed beards.

0:46:51.320 --> 0:46:55.239
<v Speaker 1>You know. You're like, okay, well, let me shoot you

0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:58.560
<v Speaker 1>some ideas on some designs. You see, this is designs.

0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:02.320
<v Speaker 1>He's like, that's great man. You know, as a business owners,

0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:04.160
<v Speaker 1>he's going to say, how much is it? It's great?

0:47:04.239 --> 0:47:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I will consider who knows, maybe someone will buy it.

0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:09.759
<v Speaker 1>How are you even coming up with the numbers on

0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:11.919
<v Speaker 1>what to charge them? Or is it like I'm doing

0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:14.280
<v Speaker 1>this pro bone if you're in this is the package

0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:15.120
<v Speaker 1>that you get with it?

0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:17.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm making it up. Like I'm making it up.

0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:18.520
<v Speaker 2>I would lose a lot of money when I first

0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:22.600
<v Speaker 2>started because sometimes I would spend my I wasn't charging

0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:23.120
<v Speaker 2>for my time.

0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Mm hm.

0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:25.719
<v Speaker 2>So if I made all these designs and like, oh, yeah,

0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:27.919
<v Speaker 2>but I don't have the money for it, I lost

0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:29.839
<v Speaker 2>the time on that, Yeah, so it doesn't really matter.

0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:31.880
<v Speaker 2>But then I would charge. It'd be like, hey, maybe

0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:33.600
<v Speaker 2>this could be like a couple hundred dollars i'd make

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:35.960
<v Speaker 2>or maybe this would be this. I would lose some

0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:38.440
<v Speaker 2>money on stuff. I would make money on things. And

0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:41.959
<v Speaker 2>then sometimes I started to realize that with business there's

0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:44.560
<v Speaker 2>always an extra expense you didn't think about where maybe

0:47:44.560 --> 0:47:46.680
<v Speaker 2>we need to fix the spelling on a sweatshirt, or

0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:49.040
<v Speaker 2>we need to change some things that the size and

0:47:49.080 --> 0:47:51.120
<v Speaker 2>the fit doesn't work. I'm just trying to figure it out.

0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:53.400
<v Speaker 2>But I wasn't trying to take on too much that

0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:55.440
<v Speaker 2>it would become a problem for me.

0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Did you have a fat savings.

0:47:58.160 --> 0:48:00.560
<v Speaker 2>I No, I didn't because I just spent a lot

0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:03.880
<v Speaker 2>of my savings on my surgery. So a lot of

0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:04.920
<v Speaker 2>that was you.

0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Are a high risk mom. You you can come to LA,

0:48:11.040 --> 0:48:14.960
<v Speaker 1>but you just can't stay exactly. So how long did

0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:15.839
<v Speaker 1>you have to stay with her?

0:48:16.239 --> 0:48:20.319
<v Speaker 2>I was staying with her for about almost a year,

0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:22.839
<v Speaker 2>but six months I was on the couch in her

0:48:22.840 --> 0:48:26.360
<v Speaker 2>house and I was just doing designs and building stuff out.

0:48:26.480 --> 0:48:30.239
<v Speaker 2>And then one day I was packing orders. She was

0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:32.359
<v Speaker 2>trying to but I heard about it every day because

0:48:32.400 --> 0:48:34.480
<v Speaker 2>I used to work in the kitchen, so I had

0:48:34.480 --> 0:48:36.239
<v Speaker 2>like a little desktop set up in the kitchen. She

0:48:36.320 --> 0:48:37.759
<v Speaker 2>come and cooked, She's like, what do you what do

0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:40.319
<v Speaker 2>you what are you doing. I'm like, I'm designing, and

0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:44.719
<v Speaker 2>she's like, please go back to work. So but eventually

0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:48.440
<v Speaker 2>she saw me get a lot of My dad, unfortunately

0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:51.560
<v Speaker 2>passed when I was in college, but he was always

0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:54.439
<v Speaker 2>like an entrepreneur and had his own like his own

0:48:54.480 --> 0:48:58.040
<v Speaker 2>businesses and stuff like that. So she always supported that.

0:48:58.040 --> 0:48:59.839
<v Speaker 2>That's something that she's always known.

0:49:00.480 --> 0:49:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, okay, So George Floyd happens during the pandemic

0:49:08.960 --> 0:49:10.799
<v Speaker 1>for the first time. I'm gonna say this is gonna

0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:15.440
<v Speaker 1>sound terrible, shout out to my white fans, but you know,

0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:18.640
<v Speaker 1>white America started paying attention to something that's been going

0:49:18.640 --> 0:49:19.360
<v Speaker 1>on for years.

0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:26.120
<v Speaker 1>I really blame sports for taking a knee, because I

0:49:26.160 --> 0:49:29.440
<v Speaker 1>think if we had sports during the pandemic, George Floyd

0:49:29.440 --> 0:49:32.960
<v Speaker 1>would have been another you know, because it was happening

0:49:33.000 --> 0:49:36.320
<v Speaker 1>this this was happening, happens every year for black people,

0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:41.279
<v Speaker 1>it's it's the norm for us, right, But for White America,

0:49:41.360 --> 0:49:44.200
<v Speaker 1>I felt like to really take it serious. It took

0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:48.239
<v Speaker 1>the whole world coming to an end for them to

0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:52.480
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh damn, this is crazy, and it's like, Yo,

0:49:52.560 --> 0:49:54.680
<v Speaker 1>it's been happen. It's been it happens every six months,

0:49:54.719 --> 0:50:00.000
<v Speaker 1>it happens all the time. But so this huge thing happened.

0:50:00.600 --> 0:50:02.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, at this point, I feel like I'm so

0:50:02.680 --> 0:50:04.200
<v Speaker 1>I become numb to it.

0:50:04.400 --> 0:50:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:08.080
<v Speaker 1>For me, I was just like, look, they catch these

0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:12.440
<v Speaker 1>police doing everything on camera, yeah, and they still get acquitted.

0:50:12.640 --> 0:50:15.120
<v Speaker 1>So in my mind, it's just like I am numb.

0:50:15.960 --> 0:50:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Just that's just where I was at. I was not

0:50:19.520 --> 0:50:21.200
<v Speaker 1>I was more dealing with how we're going to survive

0:50:21.280 --> 0:50:25.760
<v Speaker 1>this pandemic exactly. But you, you know, you took it personal,

0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:28.719
<v Speaker 1>and so you what was your next step.

0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:36.759
<v Speaker 2>I think that there was always It's always happened within

0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:42.319
<v Speaker 2>the black community, just in terms of anything from segregation

0:50:42.719 --> 0:50:45.480
<v Speaker 2>to like discrimination, like that's the reality of being black.

0:50:46.320 --> 0:50:48.799
<v Speaker 2>I think that there were a lot of organizations that

0:50:48.840 --> 0:50:53.480
<v Speaker 2>were built in response that kind of forced the hand

0:50:53.840 --> 0:50:58.040
<v Speaker 2>to make change, right, So with fifteen percent pledged for

0:50:58.160 --> 0:51:02.200
<v Speaker 2>Aurora James. She started organization and to force corporations to

0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:06.000
<v Speaker 2>do fifteen percent of their shelf life for black owned

0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:08.120
<v Speaker 2>businesses and stores like Target and like all that. So

0:51:08.719 --> 0:51:11.840
<v Speaker 2>there was response from that. One of the organizations we

0:51:11.880 --> 0:51:16.720
<v Speaker 2>worked with, walk Good, they started as a wellness company.

0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:19.960
<v Speaker 2>They started as a wellness company to host different events

0:51:20.000 --> 0:51:22.839
<v Speaker 2>within the black community from like meditation and everything like that.

0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:26.080
<v Speaker 2>And I think that my reality is that everything I

0:51:26.160 --> 0:51:28.920
<v Speaker 2>was warped around, whether it's having a black owned business,

0:51:29.080 --> 0:51:32.480
<v Speaker 2>we're working with companies like fifteen percent pledge my wellness

0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:35.120
<v Speaker 2>and my mental health. We're working with companies like walk Good,

0:51:35.560 --> 0:51:38.279
<v Speaker 2>everybody that I kind of surrounded myself with. That's what

0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:41.600
<v Speaker 2>built the business. So it's it's really something that was

0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:46.279
<v Speaker 2>the trauma was translated into something that's a little bit

0:51:46.280 --> 0:51:49.000
<v Speaker 2>different than what any of us could expect. And it

0:51:49.040 --> 0:51:51.960
<v Speaker 2>was a it's a weird paradigm and the shift between

0:51:52.000 --> 0:51:55.080
<v Speaker 2>how people are acting in the situation where I had

0:51:55.520 --> 0:51:57.600
<v Speaker 2>I had random white people calling me every day like

0:51:57.760 --> 0:51:59.600
<v Speaker 2>what can I do? How can I be involved? It

0:51:59.640 --> 0:52:01.880
<v Speaker 2>was a it was a weird time. Yeah, it was

0:52:01.880 --> 0:52:02.520
<v Speaker 2>a weird time.

0:52:02.600 --> 0:52:06.320
<v Speaker 1>It was like the first time they heard the cry exactly.

0:52:06.600 --> 0:52:09.719
<v Speaker 2>And it's give and take, because it's good that the

0:52:09.760 --> 0:52:13.280
<v Speaker 2>conversation is happening, but like, at what cost is it?

0:52:13.280 --> 0:52:15.400
<v Speaker 2>It takes all of this to happen to be in

0:52:15.480 --> 0:52:19.440
<v Speaker 2>response to what we're building out. But it was something

0:52:19.520 --> 0:52:21.960
<v Speaker 2>that I think the organizations did a good job in

0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:25.920
<v Speaker 2>leading how people should handle these situations, right, Like, instead

0:52:25.960 --> 0:52:29.680
<v Speaker 2>of it being like the black square, everybody posts the

0:52:29.719 --> 0:52:32.120
<v Speaker 2>black square and now that solves racism, It's like, no,

0:52:32.640 --> 0:52:34.919
<v Speaker 2>that's not you can post the black square all you want.

0:52:35.000 --> 0:52:38.480
<v Speaker 2>But there were companies that were tracking. You said, this

0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:41.440
<v Speaker 2>is the commitment and you're making to these black owned companies,

0:52:41.440 --> 0:52:44.360
<v Speaker 2>and these organizations were holding you to it. And I

0:52:44.400 --> 0:52:45.120
<v Speaker 2>think that that was.

0:52:45.120 --> 0:52:47.640
<v Speaker 1>There were companies behind doing like actually tracking.

0:52:47.800 --> 0:52:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. I think that fifteen percent pledge was really big

0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:53.799
<v Speaker 2>on that. I think Anti Racism Fund was good for

0:52:53.880 --> 0:52:57.280
<v Speaker 2>pillars for organizations within the community. I think that that's

0:52:57.360 --> 0:53:00.600
<v Speaker 2>kind of the before cancel culture. I think that that

0:53:00.719 --> 0:53:04.359
<v Speaker 2>was like the accountability of people boycotting businesses if they

0:53:04.400 --> 0:53:07.120
<v Speaker 2>weren't standing next to the obligations that they were promising

0:53:07.160 --> 0:53:09.520
<v Speaker 2>to their consumer. Yeah, and I think that that was

0:53:09.560 --> 0:53:11.959
<v Speaker 2>the reality that we were living is like, we're tired

0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:15.600
<v Speaker 2>of spending money on these places and people that don't

0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:19.120
<v Speaker 2>value us. Yeah, and enough is enough. Let's change that.

0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:22.160
<v Speaker 2>And I think it translates back to when people start

0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:25.320
<v Speaker 2>to see it as a regular where people aren't talking

0:53:25.520 --> 0:53:28.480
<v Speaker 2>about this as much as they used to a couple

0:53:28.520 --> 0:53:31.160
<v Speaker 2>of years ago, but people are still having the conversation.

0:53:31.239 --> 0:53:35.160
<v Speaker 2>And I think having the opportunities and educational resources that

0:53:35.360 --> 0:53:37.840
<v Speaker 2>is what controls where people will be in the world.

0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:42.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, wow, that's interesting. Oh yeah, I remember after Black

0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Lives Movement, I saw a lot of corporations step up

0:53:46.840 --> 0:53:49.760
<v Speaker 1>and it was like bittersweet because it was like, damn,

0:53:49.760 --> 0:53:53.120
<v Speaker 1>it took all this, but thank god, you know, but

0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:56.440
<v Speaker 1>it was also like why did it take all this?

0:53:56.640 --> 0:53:59.000
<v Speaker 1>And to see that that change is still in effect

0:53:59.080 --> 0:54:01.600
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty for I'm thankful, you know, I'm thankful.

0:54:01.640 --> 0:54:04.759
<v Speaker 1>I a walk into Target or any store and you

0:54:04.800 --> 0:54:08.480
<v Speaker 1>know see black owned brands, Yeah, you know, making headway.

0:54:09.120 --> 0:54:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Brands that you know, we're mainly online or boutiqui are

0:54:12.520 --> 0:54:15.680
<v Speaker 1>now getting picked up by major chains. Huge, huge deal.

0:54:17.040 --> 0:54:19.520
<v Speaker 1>I know Afro Unicorn shout out to them. They had

0:54:19.600 --> 0:54:24.200
<v Speaker 1>the license at first, like licensed character in a major retailer,

0:54:24.320 --> 0:54:29.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, and it was like a black unicorn. It's brilliant,

0:54:29.920 --> 0:54:32.640
<v Speaker 1>you know. And now even when I go shopping and

0:54:32.680 --> 0:54:35.440
<v Speaker 1>I see a white one, I'm like, ah, there's a black.

0:54:35.239 --> 0:54:39.640
<v Speaker 2>One somewhere around here, like Santa yeah, black Santa, Yeah.

0:54:39.719 --> 0:54:44.120
<v Speaker 1>I I know, I'm want to see this. But like

0:54:44.280 --> 0:54:46.120
<v Speaker 1>I tell my dad all the time, like, you know,

0:54:46.200 --> 0:54:50.560
<v Speaker 1>this is the first year actually registered to vote ever.

0:54:52.040 --> 0:54:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Matter of fact, I thought I was voting. And then

0:54:54.000 --> 0:54:57.520
<v Speaker 1>I was talking to Tony card AND's wife was congressman

0:54:58.200 --> 0:55:01.000
<v Speaker 1>and I was like calling her about Kamala Harris and

0:55:02.719 --> 0:55:04.799
<v Speaker 1>I was like, yeah, I'm voting this year. She was like, yeah,

0:55:04.800 --> 0:55:07.920
<v Speaker 1>did you register? I was like, what's that was like,

0:55:08.520 --> 0:55:10.600
<v Speaker 1>She's like, maybe you're just calling so you can learn

0:55:10.600 --> 0:55:12.719
<v Speaker 1>how to register to vote. And she like sat on

0:55:12.760 --> 0:55:16.160
<v Speaker 1>the phone and help me register. And luckily she was like,

0:55:16.239 --> 0:55:18.520
<v Speaker 1>do a register by mail and she was right because

0:55:18.520 --> 0:55:20.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be in New York. So I was like,

0:55:21.480 --> 0:55:24.959
<v Speaker 1>thank god she helped me with it. But I told

0:55:25.000 --> 0:55:30.440
<v Speaker 1>my dad, this is intentional. I'm specifically voting for Kamal

0:55:30.560 --> 0:55:32.480
<v Speaker 1>and I'm not afraid to say it because she's a

0:55:32.480 --> 0:55:36.960
<v Speaker 1>black woman. Now she was out here murdering kids and

0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:39.520
<v Speaker 1>all that. You know, I would be like, okay, but

0:55:39.760 --> 0:55:43.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to get to anything past. It's about

0:55:43.120 --> 0:55:46.239
<v Speaker 1>damn time my daughter or myself can say, like my

0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:50.200
<v Speaker 1>daughter can be like, you know, I want to be president.

0:55:50.239 --> 0:55:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll be like, you know, yes you can. And here's

0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:56.520
<v Speaker 1>an example. And I was even telling her the other day,

0:55:56.600 --> 0:56:00.920
<v Speaker 1>if you become president, forget it. I'm in heaven as

0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:04.120
<v Speaker 1>an adult, like, forget it. Like if that ends up

0:56:04.160 --> 0:56:07.319
<v Speaker 1>being the case, girl, there is no greater gift you

0:56:07.320 --> 0:56:09.560
<v Speaker 1>can give me, you know. And she's only three, But

0:56:09.640 --> 0:56:12.279
<v Speaker 1>I only believe in it now because of comea.

0:56:12.840 --> 0:56:16.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think the resources and opportunity people around you

0:56:17.960 --> 0:56:21.319
<v Speaker 2>was not a thing that we had where being the

0:56:21.320 --> 0:56:25.000
<v Speaker 2>first black president was like a dream as a kid

0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:27.680
<v Speaker 2>that you would say, that's adorable, but it was not

0:56:27.760 --> 0:56:30.439
<v Speaker 2>a reality that people were really facing. And I think

0:56:30.440 --> 0:56:33.840
<v Speaker 2>that now as the world is starting to have figures

0:56:33.920 --> 0:56:36.440
<v Speaker 2>that are standing and sitting in that presence of it,

0:56:36.600 --> 0:56:39.080
<v Speaker 2>the change is coming for sure. And I think that

0:56:39.160 --> 0:56:42.880
<v Speaker 2>representation and resources really matter a lot. So like for you,

0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:46.440
<v Speaker 2>you've never voted before, you could have had the resources

0:56:46.440 --> 0:56:49.680
<v Speaker 2>to vote, but the resources weren't enough to provide you

0:56:49.760 --> 0:56:53.560
<v Speaker 2>with reason to be like, here's a reason why I'm

0:56:53.640 --> 0:56:56.480
<v Speaker 2>actually going to vote, and they're I think that that's

0:56:56.480 --> 0:56:58.600
<v Speaker 2>the same thing, especially like the community that we're in,

0:56:58.719 --> 0:57:01.560
<v Speaker 2>is that things have to be set up properly, but

0:57:01.600 --> 0:57:04.400
<v Speaker 2>they also have to be set up properly for you specifically.

0:57:04.760 --> 0:57:06.279
<v Speaker 2>And I think a lot of times when it comes

0:57:06.280 --> 0:57:09.200
<v Speaker 2>down to like voter registration, for me, it's like I've

0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:13.080
<v Speaker 2>registered to vote, like I've voted several times. My journey

0:57:13.120 --> 0:57:14.879
<v Speaker 2>compared to like somebody I've been classed with or I'm

0:57:14.880 --> 0:57:18.720
<v Speaker 2>sitting next to be completely different because my reality is

0:57:18.760 --> 0:57:21.200
<v Speaker 2>like the neighborhood I grew up with, like everybody went

0:57:21.240 --> 0:57:23.840
<v Speaker 2>to go vote on the special day, everybody had like

0:57:24.200 --> 0:57:27.200
<v Speaker 2>I voted sticker, Like that's my reality, and sometimes some

0:57:27.240 --> 0:57:29.040
<v Speaker 2>people just don't. Like I even have people in my

0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:32.240
<v Speaker 2>family that are like, they don't prioritize things the same way.

0:57:32.520 --> 0:57:35.760
<v Speaker 2>But I think between having more resources, more role models,

0:57:35.760 --> 0:57:38.200
<v Speaker 2>and more people that are actively like getting on platforms

0:57:38.200 --> 0:57:41.280
<v Speaker 2>and speaking about it, it's a really really dope thing.

0:57:41.360 --> 0:57:44.560
<v Speaker 2>And then the things that we're instilling in kids and

0:57:44.600 --> 0:57:47.440
<v Speaker 2>we're instilling in the next generation is more so not

0:57:47.520 --> 0:57:49.960
<v Speaker 2>like this is a dream that could possibly happen, is

0:57:50.000 --> 0:57:54.160
<v Speaker 2>like this has actually happened. The statistics on it compared

0:57:54.200 --> 0:57:57.720
<v Speaker 2>to like everybody else is lower, but it's still an opportunity,

0:57:58.240 --> 0:58:00.520
<v Speaker 2>whereas like we I'm so used to Even when I

0:58:00.520 --> 0:58:03.880
<v Speaker 2>was applying for colleges, my college advisors were like, don't

0:58:03.880 --> 0:58:05.880
<v Speaker 2>apply for this college because you like there's nowhere you're

0:58:05.880 --> 0:58:08.200
<v Speaker 2>going to get in. Don't apply for this like instead

0:58:08.240 --> 0:58:12.400
<v Speaker 2>of maybe there's an opportunity, That opportunity of like slight

0:58:12.440 --> 0:58:15.720
<v Speaker 2>possibility even is like less than one percent if it's there.

0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:19.120
<v Speaker 2>I think that that is what allows people to really

0:58:19.320 --> 0:58:21.480
<v Speaker 2>just be dedicated to stuff around us.

0:58:21.640 --> 0:58:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I also think that, like one of all

0:58:25.200 --> 0:58:27.760
<v Speaker 1>other reasons why I ended up voting or registering to

0:58:27.840 --> 0:58:30.640
<v Speaker 1>vote was I actually had congressmen on the show, Okay,

0:58:30.840 --> 0:58:33.640
<v Speaker 1>and he broke down like how he was able to

0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:38.120
<v Speaker 1>win or win his first like electoral race because he

0:58:38.200 --> 0:58:40.400
<v Speaker 1>was reaching out to the Brown community. It was like

0:58:40.480 --> 0:58:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Latinos people that like the other competitors weren't even wasting

0:58:45.320 --> 0:58:47.240
<v Speaker 1>their time. They were like not even wasting their time,

0:58:47.880 --> 0:58:50.880
<v Speaker 1>and he just he like was able to articulate like

0:58:50.920 --> 0:58:53.880
<v Speaker 1>what happens when you don't vote, yeah, and like the

0:58:53.960 --> 0:58:56.760
<v Speaker 1>damage that can happen and what happens when you do.

0:58:56.880 --> 0:59:00.240
<v Speaker 1>But he was very much able to articulate, like how

0:59:00.280 --> 0:59:03.040
<v Speaker 1>the government is run when you sit silent, And I

0:59:03.120 --> 0:59:06.640
<v Speaker 1>think there just really isn't enough education for those that

0:59:06.720 --> 0:59:09.240
<v Speaker 1>are like nobody listens to us, Like that's so out

0:59:09.240 --> 0:59:10.560
<v Speaker 1>of there. I'm trying to figure out how to put

0:59:10.680 --> 0:59:13.960
<v Speaker 1>groceries on my table. But I feel like from the

0:59:14.000 --> 0:59:17.200
<v Speaker 1>midllennials on up, they more care about, like what's the

0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:19.680
<v Speaker 1>brand's mission and purpose and who do they support when

0:59:19.680 --> 0:59:26.720
<v Speaker 1>they purchase. I'd be honest, I'm much like if I

0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:28.680
<v Speaker 1>see what I like, I like, I buy, you know,

0:59:29.240 --> 0:59:33.240
<v Speaker 1>mission or no mission, as long as you're not harring

0:59:34.320 --> 0:59:37.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, sounds terrible, but this.

0:59:37.360 --> 0:59:43.200
<v Speaker 2>Just that's that's your moral compass. And I think that

0:59:43.200 --> 0:59:45.400
<v Speaker 2>there's like an opportunity cause right, like so somebody might

0:59:45.440 --> 0:59:48.400
<v Speaker 2>be like, I don't buy any fast fashion. To not

0:59:48.440 --> 0:59:50.640
<v Speaker 2>buy fast fashion is expensive?

0:59:50.760 --> 0:59:52.320
<v Speaker 1>What's fast fashion? Like fashion?

0:59:52.320 --> 0:59:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Ova? Like shean sh t MoU like any company that

0:59:56.880 --> 1:00:01.000
<v Speaker 2>exploits workers in exchange to make it's cheaper.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what they do.

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<v Speaker 2>Or yeah, for sure, oh like to make clothing from

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<v Speaker 2>fabric perspective, and like working you cut costs and like

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<v Speaker 2>how much cost can you cut before it starts to

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<v Speaker 2>be like lower quality or somebody else's livelihood, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the conversation that you have, is that if

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<v Speaker 2>you're like I no longer support any of these brands,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to have the money to pay for that,

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<v Speaker 2>or you need to find some opportunity. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that there's a given take, just like a business being sustainable,

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<v Speaker 2>Like we have products that are sustainable, but the whole

1:00:31.040 --> 1:00:34.919
<v Speaker 2>business to be a completely sustainable business requires a lot

1:00:34.920 --> 1:00:38.520
<v Speaker 2>of effort for that specifically that that might not be

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a give and take. My prices may be

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<v Speaker 2>higher if I were to like source packaging from somewhere

1:00:45.560 --> 1:00:50.160
<v Speaker 2>else to be like completely sustainable and biodegradable as opposed

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<v Speaker 2>to like this is like packaging, maybe we are focused

1:00:54.480 --> 1:00:56.480
<v Speaker 2>on tissue paper that gets thrown out. We don't really

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<v Speaker 2>care as much on that. It's a give and take.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think a lot of times with apparel, the

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<v Speaker 2>reality is you wear clothes every day, so people aren't

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<v Speaker 2>being like, oh, I don't support this and all that,

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<v Speaker 2>Like go to the liquor store, get a T shirt

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<v Speaker 2>and all that, like you spill on it, what are're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna do? Oh, now I have to go buy like

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<v Speaker 2>a high end brand, it's very difficult to get like

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<v Speaker 2>in the weeds. And I think that we are so

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<v Speaker 2>like very big on like I want a company with

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<v Speaker 2>the mission on it. But I think that having a

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<v Speaker 2>brand with the beliefs of it and understanding that if

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<v Speaker 2>you are purchasing like cargo pants for my brand, aside

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<v Speaker 2>from a bag that says protect black women, you know

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<v Speaker 2>that the same effect is still happening within our brand

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<v Speaker 2>is because our contribution aside from being like we donate

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<v Speaker 2>x amount from the sales of bags, it's like our

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<v Speaker 2>brand is focused and mission driven for this it makes

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<v Speaker 2>it better. And there are some people that purchase the

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<v Speaker 2>brand not because we're black owned, but they like the messaging.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody's intention is different, and I think that when you

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<v Speaker 2>understand your intention behind it, and like, I don't shame

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<v Speaker 2>people because I don't know the full extremity on what

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<v Speaker 2>it is. Like some people they might be like I

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<v Speaker 2>wear three dollars tea every single day. There's my one outfit.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have anything else in the budget for that.

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<v Speaker 2>People have kids all my money goes to my kids.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't know what people are going through, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think that when you know what your moral compass is,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that not everything needs to be like

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<v Speaker 2>a moral and ethical decision, but like where you decide

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<v Speaker 2>to put that, Like maybe my moral compass, for like

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<v Speaker 2>my tithing goes here, and maybe it goes to that.

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<v Speaker 2>But not everything needs to be like a dissertation or

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<v Speaker 2>like a deep dive in it. And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>we make things a lot more than it actually is.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's interesting. It is interesting why.

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<v Speaker 1>People that when it comes to sit people can purchase

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<v Speaker 1>your clothing and your bags online, Yes, and where else.

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<v Speaker 2>We're currently only online. So the goal right now is

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<v Speaker 2>to be into different retailers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and prior to us recording, you said you wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be in specifically two retailers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, go ahead. So I want to be in Sacks, Nordstrom, Bloomingdale's,

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<v Speaker 2>places that I like to shop and everything, and I

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<v Speaker 2>also want to be in local boutiques. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>being in boutiques is really cool because we know some

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<v Speaker 2>of the boutique owners and being in those spaces that

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<v Speaker 2>you shop is really cool and it's part of the community.

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<v Speaker 2>That helped build us around.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, your price point on your bags and your clothing is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's on average, a canvas tote bag is forty dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>The handbags are between one fifty to one ninety five

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<v Speaker 2>depending on the material in the size of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And you have a cool hard wallet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah we do. We've got the Charlotte card holder.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like, what was the price point on them.

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<v Speaker 2>That was forty?

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<v Speaker 1>It was?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Was it? Yeah? What was it?

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<v Speaker 1>Why do I feel like it was a lot more?

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<v Speaker 2>That's good? Yeah it's forty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, But you want to be in but you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to Why would you not consider, like because

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<v Speaker 1>those price points you could be in like a Tarja Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>tarje I was. I would say Walmart, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if any you know Walmart accounts. But why would

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<v Speaker 1>you be opposed to going inside a Target?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not opposed to it. I think that there's a

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<v Speaker 2>way to curate it right where if you look at

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<v Speaker 2>a company like north Face. North Face has the Purple

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<v Speaker 2>label and that's their lux line that's only in designated locations,

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<v Speaker 2>but they also are in places like TJ Max and

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<v Speaker 2>Marshals there.

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<v Speaker 1>Like how guessed by Marciano is like, guess, yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>different branches in each one that comes out. Would you

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<v Speaker 1>be opposed to that?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not against it, okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So and then where do you see yourself in like

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of years.

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<v Speaker 2>I see it. I see SISS as a big brand

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<v Speaker 2>that houses everything where either we have ownership or we

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<v Speaker 2>work with direct companies in things that we don't specialize in. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>so for a media company, we're not a media outlet,

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<v Speaker 2>but it would be really cool if we work with

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<v Speaker 2>a black owned media company to.

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<v Speaker 1>Like us exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, what we wouldn't take the ownership of that,

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<v Speaker 2>but we know that it's like, okay, if we want

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<v Speaker 2>to have a show and an audience of people, we

1:05:03.160 --> 1:05:06.120
<v Speaker 2>can now be a supporter of your show. If people

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<v Speaker 2>wear clothes, like we could make the clothes for this show,

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<v Speaker 2>and that would be like something that would be part

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<v Speaker 2>of it we can make and be big with. Now

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<v Speaker 2>the people that come in, they have an awareness for programming.

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<v Speaker 2>We have hosted events, but there are other companies we

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<v Speaker 2>work with to be part of it. So being an

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<v Speaker 2>entity that's like ancillary and supports other businesses is really

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<v Speaker 2>the goal and to sit in these big retailers. We

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<v Speaker 2>do want to have our own brick and mortar store,

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<v Speaker 2>but I do want it to be like this is

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<v Speaker 2>a luxury upscale business. Those are like heavy hitters and

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<v Speaker 2>like Sacks and Norsetrum that are sitting there. We are

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<v Speaker 2>also in an everyday accessible company like a Target. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to have those and like curate it tastefully to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Like all in all, how hard is it to get

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<v Speaker 1>in a Sax and a Norseum? Tell, have you made

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<v Speaker 1>the calls? What does it take to get in there?

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<v Speaker 2>It takes a lot. I think that when you're looking

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<v Speaker 2>at companies nowadays, people are very digital. So you can

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<v Speaker 2>be on a website like Macy's. Macy's will have a

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<v Speaker 2>program where you can sell and never be in their

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<v Speaker 2>physical store. You could be on like Macy's dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a good opportunity. But the curation piece of

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<v Speaker 2>where it sits on the floor if you were in

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<v Speaker 2>store is also different. So on Macy's dot com. When

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<v Speaker 2>you see all of the listings on Macy's, Macy's has

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<v Speaker 2>like tens of thousands of items online. Where's your brand

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<v Speaker 2>going to be? And if somebody is just like, let

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<v Speaker 2>me just see what I can get from Macy's and

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<v Speaker 2>I go to handbags. How many companies do you know

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<v Speaker 2>make handbags? So I think that the curation piece on

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<v Speaker 2>it is like more intentional to be in store, which

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<v Speaker 2>is what we thrive for.

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<v Speaker 1>You're so good at online. And like even when I

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<v Speaker 1>shop at Macy's, which I rarely do now because the

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<v Speaker 1>a riodte takes all my money, but I usually will

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<v Speaker 1>type in like if I type in shoes, I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>like Booty's and then it'll be like price point this

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<v Speaker 1>dollar amount to this dollar amount. So I do like

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<v Speaker 1>that about Macys. So like if I were to if

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<v Speaker 1>Seyss was in macy I would just be like handbags

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<v Speaker 1>this price point, yeah, you know, and then obviously I

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<v Speaker 1>always go over that budget because sometimes the nicer bags

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<v Speaker 1>or more or whatever. But I do think that, like

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<v Speaker 1>if everything's going online, because I can't even remember the

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<v Speaker 1>last time I like walked into Macy's. Yeah whatever, what's wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I do for the shoes, you know, because she's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, every girl's addiction. But for the most part, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like I would so if you had an opportunity be

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<v Speaker 1>on Macy's. Would you be like, Eh, No.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm open to it. I think that we're not too

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<v Speaker 2>good for any opportunity. I think it just needs to

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<v Speaker 2>make sense as an opportunity for the business.

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<v Speaker 1>And then but how are you how do you get

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<v Speaker 1>into the stores? Like who are you calling? Or or

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<v Speaker 1>have you made the calls?

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<v Speaker 2>We've We've made calls and we're in conversations with different companies.

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<v Speaker 2>But there will either be like a buyer for the

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<v Speaker 2>specific department. So Seise could be a brand inside a

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<v Speaker 2>place like a Macy's, but it might be Sis's handbags,

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<v Speaker 2>not the apparel. And it depends on like your or

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<v Speaker 2>strength as a business. And it also depends on like

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<v Speaker 2>a buying calendar. If we have right now, it's fall.

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<v Speaker 2>If we're selling a whole bunch of like tank tops

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff right now, people in New York are probably

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<v Speaker 2>not going to buy tank tops. So from a buying perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>listing it online as opposed to in store two different beasts.

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<v Speaker 2>So it just depends on how we're going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think that accessibility should be open to everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>You go online and you purchase stuff online. I buy

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<v Speaker 2>all my stuff online, or I like occasionally go to

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<v Speaker 2>the mall. My mom doesn't believe in buying anything online.

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<v Speaker 2>She has to see she is, but she's part of

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<v Speaker 2>like the clientele that purchases from me, and like her

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<v Speaker 2>friends would purchase from it, and they have to feel

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<v Speaker 2>the items. No matter how sell them, you got to

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<v Speaker 2>be in person. Will either do like pop ups or

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<v Speaker 2>be in a store or like I'll have to bring

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<v Speaker 2>it to people. Like there's just certain things that I

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<v Speaker 2>think that we lose and I don't feel as if

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<v Speaker 2>a brand were too big to do those things right.

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<v Speaker 2>Like my mom is spending the same amount of money

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<v Speaker 2>that somebody else would spend on something, but she's like

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<v Speaker 2>a loyal customer. She does not know of new brands

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<v Speaker 2>that come out like on a consistent basis, because she

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<v Speaker 2>sticks with her consistent businesses.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, she's like me and.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I want that for people where it's like

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<v Speaker 2>I want some people that have a whole bunch of brands.

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<v Speaker 2>I want people that want like a culmination of black

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<v Speaker 2>owned businesses. I want people that just want handbags. I

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<v Speaker 2>want it all, and we're not too big to be

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<v Speaker 2>in anything like that. I just think that there are

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<v Speaker 2>certain aspirations that we have. I think that even if

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<v Speaker 2>we're not in stores, the business will be successful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it will. It is successful, and it's a beautiful brand.

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<v Speaker 1>I particularly want to go and get the car Ballet.

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<v Speaker 1>For some straight reason, I thought it was more and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why. Maybe I was like doing too

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<v Speaker 1>many things at the same time. Yeah, because I do

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<v Speaker 1>that sometimes, I'm sure. Because John was like, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to you have to get to Blake. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>get this guy Blake. I was like, all right, John,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not why I'm calling, but okay, send me his info.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh, yeah, we should definitely get

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<v Speaker 1>I looked at your stuff, that's right. I remember I

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<v Speaker 1>was in Beverly hos And I was looking at your

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and I said, oh, his stuff is pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's a high recommendation. It was a very high recommendation.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like, you got to hear his story. He

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<v Speaker 1>worked very hard and this is a John from Hustle

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<v Speaker 1>to create what's his coffee? Coffee Don Mundo shout out

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<v Speaker 1>to coffee Don Mundo. All right, tell all our listeners

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<v Speaker 1>where we can keep up with everything Seise related.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you can check us out at Seise dot Store,

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<v Speaker 2>CI s E, Dot S, t O r E. We're

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<v Speaker 2>on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, We're on everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And if some brands or particular brands, since you

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<v Speaker 1>are very intentional with the black footprint, if some organizations

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to reach out to partner or to do business

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<v Speaker 1>with you, because it seems like SEIS is very open

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<v Speaker 1>to that, how would they get a hold of.

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<v Speaker 2>You as a DM And like our emails are connected

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<v Speaker 2>to everything as well, So.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, perfect, Thank you so much for sharing and affordable,

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<v Speaker 1>very healthy, and I will give you this like most

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<v Speaker 1>of my jar is actually eight look at that. It's

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<v Speaker 1>really good. Shares to this dish. I absolutely love it.

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