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Speaker 1: is all ball, all basketball, the time, and we're just

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Speaker 1: like everybody else. We're catching our breath after an unbelievable

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Speaker 1: national semifinal. Right that Baylor Houston. I'm kidding, Baylor Houston sucked. Um,

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Speaker 1: here's the one thing about Baylor Houston that you should recognize.

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Speaker 1: We talked about this. Even can't talk a ton of

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Speaker 1: have talked a ton about Um, what's caused some of

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Speaker 1: these teams get beat and the difference in Baylor and

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Speaker 1: the discipline it took to come off a ball screen.

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Speaker 1: the lane, and to find the shooting the week side.

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Speaker 1: Almost the entire first half you get open threes, Like

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Speaker 1: you have no idea how many teams won't do that consistently.

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Speaker 1: One the guards are two small or two they pick

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Speaker 1: up the ball to really but Baylor is only good,

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Speaker 1: they're really well coached. Then, of course you have the

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Speaker 1: UC legal and tack game. UM, I don't. It's not

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Speaker 1: the greatest game I've ever seen, Like we just have

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Speaker 1: this recency bias. It was a great game both teams

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Speaker 1: played well. The offense was unbelievable. Um, you know, it's like,

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Speaker 1: Perdue if you want, you know, shot making and whatever.

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Speaker 1: That was an overtime game, but it was a very

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Speaker 1: close game, was hard fought, U Sui. It was awesome.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a good call for charge at

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Speaker 1: seen done anywhere else. What it's called choked The point

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Speaker 1: just for a second or two. That combined with finding

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Speaker 1: a way to corral Jalen Sucks obviously, could you know

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Speaker 1: one year the basketball game instead you you lose and

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Speaker 1: you go home. Um actually would have tied send into

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Speaker 1: double overtime. But it was a great game. And before

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Speaker 1: Like how many times if you work with a guard

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Speaker 1: going down before your amentum, And it was three dribbles

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Speaker 1: and he wast from the basket. So it's a great shot.

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Speaker 1: The Banks shot probably takes away a little bit from

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Speaker 1: and it reminds you just how good this sport is,

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Speaker 1: especially at the top which brings us to Baylor versus

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Speaker 1: going Zack. Okay. This can be a good podcast and

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Speaker 1: ever download podcast and it's always available. Of course, this

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Speaker 1: one's all ball. We tell stories, we have backgrounds. I

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Speaker 1: mean you go back through. I got one with Scott Drew,

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Speaker 1: one with Mark View, but we'll do another one if

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Speaker 1: a long one because he's awesome. So many of these

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Speaker 1: guys you've actually heard on this pod. We'll get Tommy Lloyd,

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Speaker 1: He was at Vanderbilt with Bryce Crew right, so that

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Speaker 1: And I think the inst has done a great job

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Speaker 1: with the set up and you know, just I mean,

427
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Speaker 1: it's still it feels like a it feels like a

428
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Speaker 1: Final four, semi final game. I mean it's it's special. Um, okay,

429
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Speaker 1: show you of course worked for Bright and now you're

430
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Speaker 1: playing against Scott. So did did you have the scout

431
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Speaker 1: back when you're supposed to play like, oh you you

432
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Speaker 1: know all the Drew stuff? Did you become again? Did

433
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Speaker 1: they start they started plugging you for all the Drew information? No? No,

434
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Speaker 1: So I was working on Houston, Um, like I obviously

435
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Speaker 1: we would have played Houston. I was. I was working

436
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Speaker 1: on that. I had that with U, with Tommy. I

437
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: had that kind of um locked in and and and

438
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 1: and Tommy was working on Baylor. You know. So that's

439
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: kind of how we do it. And uh, but would

440
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Speaker 1: that being said, you know, we all kind of work

441
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Speaker 1: together we talked about ideas, and I mean these guys,

442
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Speaker 1: I mean coach Fuss when he's him, Tommy and be

443
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 1: Mike Man, they've been together for a long time, so

444
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 1: they they mean, they know each other, are gonna say

445
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 1: before they say it, you know. So for me kind

446
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 1: of being here now for the second year, um, you know,

447
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 1: I'm I'm still growing and learning their system and pretty

448
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,120
Speaker 1: good at it now. But it's just you know, they

449
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,719
Speaker 1: got this thing dialed in. Yeah. But but anyways, like

450
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: I called Bryce and I was like, face on, Bryce said, Bryce,

451
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 1: can you sent me to scopper Baylor? You know, just

452
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 1: because you know, I know the family just give him

453
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Speaker 1: a hard time. Um, but I mean it's you know,

454
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: we were prepared to play him in December, so you know,

455
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: we we we were scotting them in. So it's been

456
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 1: this has been a a long game, you know, game coming.

457
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 1: It's been a lot of preparation for this game. So

458
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun. I was impressed, you know, Houston,

459
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 1: like a lot of teams, it really loaded up on

460
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: the ball. They put two on the ball and ball

461
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 1: screen to put another guy kind of plugging in the lane.

462
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: I was really impressed with Baylor doing what you're supposed

463
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Speaker 1: to do, which is, you know, find that skip past

464
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: the corner. And then when they in the second half

465
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Speaker 1: and they started guarding skip, they started really hitting the

466
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Speaker 1: roll or either short roll, along roll or whatever. It's

467
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 1: not just that they're talented and they play hard. That's

468
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: a big part of it. But they also like seem

469
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: to be very coachable, Like that's a good basketball team.

470
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Speaker 1: I think that's a little bit what like the same

471
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Speaker 1: thing with you guys, Like people respect the way you

472
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Speaker 1: guys play and you're coached, and I feel like Baylor

473
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Speaker 1: is the same way. Is that that a fair Having

474
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Speaker 1: evaluated them and scouting Houston while they're just getting lit

475
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Speaker 1: up by by Baylor, I would guess you had to

476
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Speaker 1: gain even more respected. Oh listen, and we've we've watched

477
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Speaker 1: Baylor a ton every time they're own tv um. You know,

478
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: I've watched him and and to be honest, even before

479
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Speaker 1: this year, you know, with you know, Scott being there

480
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 1: and how close we are to this staff, my family,

481
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: you know, because I'm really close to Bryce, Like we

482
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 1: always watched Taylor and he does a great job. Man,

483
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: And those guys are locked in. They're a special team,

484
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: you know, So for America to get two special teams

485
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: competing in National Championship, it's pretty cool turnout, pretty pretty

486
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 1: pretty cool situation, especially when what happened last year with

487
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Speaker 1: the tournament being canceled. No question, um for you personally,

488
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: because if you remember that I people remember that game.

489
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: You got shot forty three's. It was what you got

490
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: to spread them out. They were so big and strong

491
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Speaker 1: inside and he came up just short, right, had a

492
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Speaker 1: shot came up just short. For you personally, what would

493
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Speaker 1: it mean to take that next step to become a

494
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Speaker 1: national champion? Oh my goodness, man, I mean it's you know,

495
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Speaker 1: I am beyond blessed um, you know, just being able

496
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Speaker 1: to play in the final four, playing the National Championship game,

497
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Speaker 1: and here I am as a coach, assistant coach, you

498
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Speaker 1: know who I on one of the I think one

499
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Speaker 1: of the greatest teams in college history. Right now. What

500
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Speaker 1: we've been doing with these guys have done is I

501
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Speaker 1: can't I can't put into words how blessed I am

502
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Speaker 1: and how greatful I am for this. And if we

503
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Speaker 1: were to win tomorrow, yeah, I mean it would it

504
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: would be extremely special. But with that being said, I mean,

505
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Speaker 1: what has been done already, and you know, what we've

506
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Speaker 1: been able to accomplish already is special to you know,

507
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: and just winning this and finishing it off with the

508
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Speaker 1: victory would be would be the icing on the cake,

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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah? Okay, real question? Oh five Illinois, two

510
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Speaker 1: thousand twenty one, Gonzaga play h one game? Who wins? Yeah,

511
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: to answer me that question, did you you know people

512
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: of people actually ask me that, um and and I

513
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 1: think our team was special back there, man, our team

514
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Speaker 1: was specially We would have we would have we would

515
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Speaker 1: be five in oh five. But let me tell you this,

516
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Speaker 1: I would have had I would have had an issue

517
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Speaker 1: with Corey chispur Man, you know, because I would have

518
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: had to chase him around. Okay, So you would have

519
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Speaker 1: had Kissfurhusen would have had Augustine, would have had Timmy True.

520
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Speaker 1: Timmy's pretty good. Yeah, Darryl Williams get David Williams and

521
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Speaker 1: Jail and Sugas. That's a that's a pretty good match up,

522
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: a pretty good match up. Darren was a really good

523
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Speaker 1: defender man he was, especially injuries derailed him from being

524
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Speaker 1: potentially in all time grade in the NBA. Right, I

525
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: mean like he was he was. He was a great player,

526
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Speaker 1: all right, show who does d match up with? Right?

527
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Speaker 1: Either a yay or or or Um Andrew Nim hurt

528
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: and and yeah and speed that that D had, That

529
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Speaker 1: speed was okay. And then and then Luther matches up

530
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Speaker 1: lutheror matches up with with who Joel show with Joe Joel. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I would go Corey. Joel would probably guard Luther. Um,

532
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: you know, d and and Andrew Nim hard guard each other.

533
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: And Darren and uh Ja slugs and then Drew timmyan

534
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: and Drew Timmy and um James Ark and then who's

535
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Speaker 1: off the bench. I'm trying to think who's out the bench?

536
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: Anton Watson? Uh, Aaron Cook? Who are you guys? Bring

537
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: Aaron is pretty nice? Right? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, so hey,

538
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: I meant that would be a fun game to see.

539
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Speaker 1: You know that you would have no problem neither to

540
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: it would have any problems for no, no, no, it

541
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: definitely it would be some scoring that game. Um, have

542
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Speaker 1: you got are you? Have you seen your family or

543
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 1: you because I heard a few talked to Mike Lewis

544
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: and he was like, yeah, if you saw his family

545
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: through a gate at the baseball stadium, what about you

546
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: have a gaggle of children. Have you got a chance

547
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: you get to see him? Like, how does it work? Yeah,

548
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: I probably can't see my kids. Many they that that

549
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: fence wouldn't stand a chance. If they see me, they're

550
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: gonna find a way to get across the fence. So

551
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna wait till after the game, hopefully, hopefully,

552
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: when whatever happens, I'm gonna get to see him. But yeah,

553
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: I can't. Like, I got my little baby girl, she's

554
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: three months old. She's yeah, they signed with them all time,

555
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: and she is so beautiful. It would be hard for

556
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Speaker 1: me to look at that little precious face to a

557
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: fence man. That'd be tortured. Um. But I haven't seen

558
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: him yet. I've seen him in the stings like way,

559
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: you know, far away and way to him. But I'm

560
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: gonna wait until hopefully after you know, after the game

561
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: them all hopefully everyone's happy and smiling. But listen, keep

562
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: luck to you. I appreciate joining me go watch. I

563
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: know you gotta go watch them with the team. And

564
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: thanks for being our guest. I appreciate it. Thanks, thanks

565
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: for having to do all right. Look, you're our most

566
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: popular guests. In the history of all ball, nearly four

567
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: hundred thousands. I don't know if you know. It's seriously

568
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: nearly four hundred thousand downloads for for your episode. So

569
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: my episodes are usually to to fifty apiece. So it

570
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: pretty much means you should actually have the show, not me.

571
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: That's really what happens. Um. Okay, let's get to let's

572
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: get to the late game last night. That's what everybody's

573
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: talking about. Um. Just as a coach, Okay, what do

574
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: you think? What did you c l A do in

575
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: your mind other than make shots to keep themselves close?

576
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: So that was a Jeff Van Gundee games. Not a

577
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: lot of ball reversal, uh, because you get a chance

578
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: to have less turnovers. Mick controlled the game with the offense. Uh.

579
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Speaker 1: And he bet, he bet on his pace of play

580
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: even though it was high scoring game because it was

581
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: over time. Nick was a genius last line on the

582
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Speaker 1: offensive vent. Uh. So before before you keep going, okay,

583
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: so this is just you know, we haven't spoken. We

584
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: haven't spoken. But and I did talk to Mike Lewis

585
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: and I had him on the pod, but not everything

586
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: you shared with me share of the pod. But I said,

587
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: but we were talking about and I said, look, I

588
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: think the way to to win this thing is you

589
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 1: gotta you have to be able to use your offense

590
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: as your defense. Now that to me, it didn't mean

591
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: that the lack of Paul reversal. It was more like,

592
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: you have to pay attention to find ways to score

593
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: because and granted this is what lost in the game,

594
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: but when you score, it's much easier to set up

595
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: whatever you're doing defensively, right, And so that that was

596
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: my My thought to him was like, everybody focuses on

597
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: your offense is unbelievable. How can we score? Because if

598
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: we want to press this slone down, we at the

599
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: score we want to we want to build a wall

600
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: better score right. Um, you know everything we want to

601
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: do is come down to offense. So when you say

602
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: it's the jeff N Gundy game, if I'm listening to

603
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,959
Speaker 1: pod I'm driving to work on a Monday morning, what

604
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: does that mean? What? What did he do in order

605
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: to control the game of his office? The ball wasn't

606
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: in Like I've been on these zoms with jeff An Gundy,

607
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: a lot of my offense and my weakness of my

608
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: offense was you know, not the weakness, but any everybody

609
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: can touch the ball. That that's not I've developed later

610
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: as I get older as a coach, you're four and

611
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: five minutes, sometimes you don't want to have the ball

612
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: in the perimeter. You want to have the best ball handler.

613
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: And let's not the more we reverse it is, the

614
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: more chance we have live ball turner us. He really

615
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: spaced Gonzaga out and he went to mismatches. I mean,

616
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: if I watched the last ten minutes today again just

617
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: because I was so fascinated with it. And really, Mick

618
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: deserves a lot of credit because no one managed the

619
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Speaker 1: game against Gonzaga it maybe two years uh the way

620
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: Mick did. And he he and here's what he did too,

621
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Speaker 1: And a lot of people get misconstrued with this because

622
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: the game's gonna have to evolve again. Everyone's focused on

623
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Speaker 1: the three of the layup and Mick said, you know what,

624
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: we we gotta make the seven team footer today. And

625
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: he has the players to do it, and he has

626
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: the talent to do it. And it's something to think

627
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: about in recruiting because nobody wants to do it, so

628
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: why not recruit to it? Because it's the shot you

629
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: can get everything that was interesting. You know, it's interesting.

630
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: So when you and I spoke last time again on

631
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Speaker 1: a on a on an award winning ball ball that

632
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: everybody else if you're downloading this camp allows anyway, we

633
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: talked a little about Philly and what I was thinking

634
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: of with his team was something film Martelly told me.

635
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: So when I was interviewing for jobs a couple of

636
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: years ago, Phil said, you know, he's he was advising

637
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: me on who I should hire, because I said, look, man,

638
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: I gotta hire somebody who knows what the hell they're doing.

639
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: Gave me a list. It's like, you need to hire,

640
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: you need to hire Paul call you it like Paul's brilliant,

641
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: done it seeing it. He kind of goes through stuff

642
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: and I said, yeah. I said, okay, but you know,

643
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: I think my vision of you get a job is

644
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: all those guys are in the portal when you call

645
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: a minute goo and you look, I will find you

646
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: another school. But I want you to work with me

647
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: in the spring and in the summer, and we'll find

648
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: you another school if you don't, right, And he's like,

649
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: that's a great ideas, Like but listen, he said, here's

650
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: what I want you to think about if you get

651
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 1: a job. He's like, look, you're gonna want to put

652
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: in your offense in the spring. He's like, everybody wants

653
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: to put in their new offense. Like why you're just

654
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: you're just gonna annoy him. You're gonna annoy yourself because

655
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: by the time you come back in the fall and

656
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: you're like, there's nothing new, there's nothing fresh, no additions

657
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: to it. You're not winning any games in the spring.

658
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: And it's like, want to win games in the winner,

659
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: haven't played one on one having played extensive one on one.

660
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: It's like the end of the day, no matter what

661
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: you draw, you need somebody who can go get you

662
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: a bucket. Right. Plus the players like it. You'll find

663
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: out who's competitive in man and man defense. They get

664
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: better at it in terms of of getting their own shot. Anyway,

665
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: I was thinking of that, and I was thinking of

666
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: that's kind of what Nick's done here, is like how

667
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: many ball screens do they put Timmy in a right

668
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: they want to attack him, which, by the way, attack

669
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: him on defense only foul trouble her. But just you're

670
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 1: conditioning and you're constantly playing defense, it's harder to play offense.

671
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: It really is um. Secondly, uh, secondly, I thought like

672
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: his guys just went and got buckets, like, hey, I'm

673
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: gonna spread out, go get a bucket. And it was

674
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: like the Film Martelly thing, the AJA light bulb, Like

675
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: that's what Film Martelly was telling you to do. If

676
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: I get my own program, now I get guys that

677
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: can get thrown buckets, but teach them how to keep

678
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: improving at it, because that's how as much as everybody

679
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: thinks the offense they're spacing everything wins games. It just

680
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: comes down to guy as a ball, can you go

681
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: get me a bucket that wins me a game? And

682
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: and what he what he did with I mean, you're

683
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: exactly right about the one on one because I never

684
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 1: I do it all the time now in the off season,

685
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: but I wasn't a big believers, Oh come on, let's

686
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: do it's for our offense in spring and summer. And

687
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: I played for coach Martelly in the spring and summer.

688
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: I think one on one is the best thing to go.

689
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: And a guy in my league who's who's now a

690
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: Providence Bob Wolf, who's a great basketball mon Bob told

691
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: me one trying to say you gotta be home then

692
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: left the league, and I I believe that Mick in

693
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: that game he isolated two guys, maybe one or two guys,

694
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: and said, look, we're gonna have to take this and

695
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to go with these guys. And I'm

696
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: telling me, what's that chinny? And who's the other one? Um?

697
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: A little bit in an in an advantage? Was Kisser? Yeah? No,

698
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's that's gonna be the question for

699
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: them next level. It's be the question for them tomorrow.

700
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: It's kinder guard, right, And that's why. Look, I have

701
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: Balort notes, you know, when I played Ballot. I have

702
00:36:54,719 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: notes and notes and notes about the game. And everyone's

703
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: texting me last night. We gave Balor a better first

704
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: half and the majority of these teams and I laugh

705
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: about it, but and I really mean this. No one

706
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: looks at the Iowa State game because Iowa State was

707
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: not that good. They didn't have a winning record, Iowa

708
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: State one under all ball screens. It's fascinating to me

709
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: that did they did they did they? Did they push

710
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: up and body up and go under or just old

711
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: school no, no, no, no, it was it was a

712
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: violent you know, it's it's Um, that's Larry you Stacy.

713
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: That's what Larry Stacy used to do. And it's really

714
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: it's it's underrated how hard that is to shoot everybody's way.

715
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: You just shoot over it, right, You're exactly you're shooting.

716
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: You're shooting over your own teammates. Like that's all. That's

717
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: a bad shot. It's a really It's why I'm interested

718
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: so interested to see what the gags do because they

719
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: know each other so well, Mark and Scott, but like

720
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: I think, you know, they're best friends. They you know,

721
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: they hang out all the time. They're good guys. I'm

722
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: telling you, Iowa State's plan was the best plan of

723
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: any team in the Big twelve, any teams amazing. It's

724
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: not amazing. It's like and and Steve is a friend

725
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: of mine. I don't know if you know that Steve

726
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: was actually my host when I visited the university, calla

727
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: that he was a manager and they actually had yeah,

728
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: they had that. It was a weird situation. They actually

729
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: had him hosted. And so I've known Steve. That's the

730
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: that's eight. I went on a visit there, so I've

731
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: known that long. It is always interesting to me, like

732
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: when you have a curious mix of players. Their best

733
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: transfer wasn't eligible. You know, they just had injuries, they

734
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: had COVID checkouts, right, And the fact is, like you

735
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: could make the case that he did his best job

736
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: of coaching the year he got fired. But he got

737
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: fired because they win games, not because he didn't coach

738
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: him he didn't have enough players. Ah, I texted the

739
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: assist I don't know Steve at all, but I texted

740
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: the assistant, Danielle Robinson. I just said, this may not

741
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: mean much to you, but you guys had the best

742
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: plan of any because if they should have won the

743
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: one game, and I'm and am I anxious to see

744
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: how few he guards it because these guys on Balor,

745
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: they're the real deal, going north and south and they

746
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: and when and when they go small, I mean, it's

747
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: going to be a shootout tomorrow, Oh, no question, no question.

748
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: Well that's that's the that's the thing that that I

749
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: do think. And look, I have no this is nothing

750
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: but respect for the announcers or whatever, but I do

751
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 1: think that the way in which the games covered sometimes

752
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: that those things aren't pointed out. You know, I love

753
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: raff and Raffle mentioned it's going small but they don't

754
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: kind of time to go like, look, here's the difference

755
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: in the space thing. And you know Mark Vital is

756
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: a great rebound and now they never turned over. You know,

757
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: they expose your your weakest defender. You have to everyone

758
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: has has the possibility of making a shot outside of Vital,

759
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: who you have to pay. You don't pay attention to me,

760
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,479
Speaker 1: He's gonna get a rofense rebound. Like when they're small,

761
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: they're they're deadly. I'm with you. I think you know.

762
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: And you know, Gonzaga almost wants you to score quickly

763
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: so they can get the ball. But they have in

764
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: tendency at times to play defense only so that they

765
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 1: can play offense. Right, I'm with you. I think it's

766
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: up and down. So the other thing is is if

767
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: you watch the Iowa State I watched the level of

768
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve games the they had I think they understood.

769
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: Iowa State understood that Vital. It was the case that

770
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: they never went outside the lane to garden. They had

771
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: a spy okay, and they literally spied the ball. Is

772
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: the only team in the Big Twelve I saw do this.

773
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: This is why I was stayed was in the game.

774
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: They let Vital do anything he wanted outside and they

775
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: clogged the paint. And it was just interesting to see

776
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: because they didn't react Ballard and react well to it

777
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: in the game. And it would be interesting to see

778
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: if they guard Vital outside now Vital as a defender

779
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: and a rebounder. By the way, that this is the

780
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: thing with Ballard and you have to realize this, and

781
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: we drilled this and teams Villanova got chilled on it,

782
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: and Houston got chilled on when they offensive rebound they

783
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: do not look it to wink and they just catch

784
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: it and throw it out and it's a it's a three.

785
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: They do you do you practice that? Do you do that?

786
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: Do we do it offensively? Yes? Yes, yes. The first

787
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: time I saw that. The first time I saw that

788
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: was I remember going to Davidson's practice. This is the

789
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: year before they went to the leading and so Steph

790
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: was I guess I maybe who it was the year

791
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: they went to Late he was a sophomore and they

792
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: practiced daggers. They called it daggers in practice, and they

793
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: would have their all their bigs and they thrown up

794
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: and they go get offensive boards. When they got an

795
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: offense board, there was step and they put the entire team,

796
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: anybody's in the perimeter, set their feet and get in fired.

797
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 1: And the team who used that actually was I think

798
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: it was two thousand and well or two th uh.

799
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: She doesn't tell Duke ors two dozen tend Duke, remember Duke.

800
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: Remember they had in Zoo bec right, and zo bec

801
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: was the best offensive rebound in the country, but he

802
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: never went up with it. He simply and when I

803
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: so when I coached in Istron, like in FIBA, there's

804
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: only a fourteen second reset, So we taught him, like, hey,

805
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: every time, same thing. Every time to get a rebound,

806
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: you get offense rebound, you are supposed to shoot the three.

807
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: And what happens is the whole team gets into it, right,

808
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: and so somebody they don't have to go next past,

809
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: and everybody's kind of hunting threes. But because the coach says, like, hey,

810
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: I want you want you don't like shot and take

811
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: a three, it's an extra possession, who cares? They like

812
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: get into it and it becomes almost more than three points.

813
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: And I noticed that Baylor does that, like it's not

814
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 1: just that they kick it out, it's that the guys

815
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: are getting to their spots. And setting their feet so

816
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: then when they catch it there right up with it.

817
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: There's no thoughting to oh my god, I'm open. I'm

818
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: just gonna shoot it. And they're really really good at

819
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: and and look we were started defensively. We do we

820
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: do it defensively on a scrambled drill where they rebound it.

821
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: We gotta scramble out and want to do it? Do

822
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: you do? You put three guys in the paint and

823
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: you have a you have an offensive. He rebounds it

824
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: and you throw it out and they sprint and now

825
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: it's it's a four on three scramble drill. But we

826
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: do it out of a rebound. I like it, Like

827
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: that's that's a great And the ovel thing that kin

828
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: to mind is if you if you really look at Dollar, Okay,

829
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: they have the team that can score with Gonzaga in

830
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: like they have the guards, they have the players, and

831
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: now finally it looks like they're the pre COVID ballot,

832
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: like the rolling Now, so Zach is a hot coming

833
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: down at you ballart team. They're coming north and south.

834
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be interesting. Also Gonzag in terms

835
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: their conditioning, um, you know, all basketball people understand it.

836
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if fans get fans like had yesterday off,

837
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: Like Okay, dude, you just played five minutes at a

838
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: level which is so high and so and then the

839
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: adrenaline of winning a last second shot. You're get in

840
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: that locker room and now you're doing zoom interviews with everybody.

841
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: You go home, everybody's celebrating, and now you gotta sleep.

842
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: You can't sleep, and you get the next thing. You

843
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: gotta get ready to bailing me a while Baylor, that

844
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: game was over the half at the half and so

845
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: they're watching and they click it off and they go

846
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: to bed and they're still on a high from winning

847
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: their game. But it's a little bit different. I'll be

848
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: interesting see because Baylor Gonzaga seven deep, whatever. But you know,

849
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: conditioning is such a huge key there. I think for

850
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: the National championship game, I know you'll be up for

851
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: early in the game. I'll be interesting to see the

852
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: middle of the second half what what happens, because I

853
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: guarantee this game is gonna be like at a high

854
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: level and at a at a fast pace, and you

855
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 1: may end up running yourself out of the game by

856
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: by keeping up with with Baylor, I would here's a

857
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: question for you, um, and we both agree Nick was masterful.

858
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: I think he made a mistake in how he was

859
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: trying to get Timmy out of the game, because they

860
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: just started posting the whereas they got behind, and over

861
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 1: time it's one Timmy's killing them and then I gonna

862
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: post up Riley. You know, nobody runs like cross screen

863
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: down screen anymore. No but right, no, but like liuly

864
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: zero people running picked the picker action or whatever. You know,

865
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: Cooley runs, you know, a little flex, but outside of that,

866
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: nobody does it. Like when you have cross roam. They

867
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: know it's so Riley catches with an angle. Now Timmy's

868
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: coming from the week side and steady. He was just

869
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: having him stand up at the brock with his hand

870
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: up like that's not really how they play. I don't

871
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: know if if it were you, and again you have

872
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: to have it in your pay book. You're you, and

873
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: you have Drew Timmy. He's got four personal pals. How

874
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: do you attack? Well, one of the things I thought,

875
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: Riley he missed that one layout. Oh my god, if

876
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: he makes that, that that that that to me. So

877
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: I think Nick put it in his hands in a

878
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 1: couple of situations that we're really good. What I think

879
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 1: is the reality is Nick knows Riley and I think

880
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: he was he was trying to get the picking roll

881
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: to a you know, a throwback or something quick to

882
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: a post um um, and sometimes it just wasn't there.

883
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: So I will see this like just talking about Mick

884
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: for a second, Like they lost, they lost four in

885
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: a row going into the tournament. The energy now around

886
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: u c l A. Like, I mean, it's I know

887
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: Ben Hallen went to three straight final fours and he

888
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: had it rolling, but like you gotta give mix some credit.

889
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: The energy that you feel about u c l A

890
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 1: basketball right now because of that game, it's it's I agree.

891
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: I guess. The question for them is they signed a

892
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: couple of very good players. I don't know if Gun

893
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: puts his name in probably guys right and he played

894
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: out of his mind. Um, But it's how I guess.

895
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: And this is maybe a question for that that we

896
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: talked about last time. But you know Jay Right is

897
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: struggled with the first time they went to the final four,

898
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: is how do you that team was was tight? Right

899
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: that might say tit on me nervous, like they were

900
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: connected really really connected. And part of it is that

901
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: like most of use dude, like I love Jackass, right,

902
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 1: everybody like kicking play, but he's not gonna be a pro.

903
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: It's actually one of the things that I told those

904
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: guys and they got the job, They're like, well time back,

905
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: Jackass was like, I love them in my time, and

906
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: I love them. I might say, okay, you know, but

907
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I'm not going on you because there

908
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: four and five year kids. So, but how do you

909
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: sprinkle in young talent with a group who like they

910
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: won because of their toughness and their connectivity more so

911
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: than their their ceiling of talent. That's these are first

912
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: world problems, but they are problems that everyone who's going

913
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: to a final four and then starts recruiting at a

914
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 1: higher level as experienced it don't get such a fascinating

915
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: thing for that level you just said it is. I

916
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,479
Speaker 1: think if you look at Duke in Kentucky this year,

917
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: the issue that they have is, you know, with COVID,

918
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 1: lack of summer, lack of continuity. Um, when you take

919
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: those first one and done guys, it's hard, it's really

920
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: really hard. The older guys that have been around win win.

921
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: And I think even even for Porter now that he

922
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: got Oklahoma, Porter has got to make a decision on

923
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: you know, the the one and done versus the four

924
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: year guys. And I think Nick and made a good decision.

925
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: Like I I agree with you, probably one guy on

926
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: U c l a declaring at one. The rest of

927
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: them they can dunch some continuity. The other thing is

928
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: is and it played itself out is the Pack twelve

929
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: didn't get enough credit. It just didn't get enough credit.

930
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: And I think that's the statement of the tournament, is dude,

931
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: the Patch welve, I mean, Oregon State gets to a

932
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: grade eight. Colorado one was a had the best record

933
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: if you look at it. The Patch welve was really underrated.

934
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: What a great um. Let's let's go to that aside.

935
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: What do you think of Porter at Oklahoba? Does that

936
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: work tremendous? I'm really excited. He'll be a great fit.

937
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: He has the well, he's he's a he's a great

938
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,720
Speaker 1: follower of Ron Krueger. He's very similar to the great

939
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:40,959
Speaker 1: basketball coach, great details, phenomenal evaluator of town. He's gonna

940
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: get a great staff, He's gonna get guys that really

941
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 1: he's gonna fall low with Oklahoma Oka and was gonna

942
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: fall in lower him. He's just he's gonna be a

943
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: great fit there. I thought, how Baylor played against Houston,

944
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: it's how you have to play against how Loyola played

945
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: defect right. If you're gonna put two on the ball

946
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: and put one in the lane, you've got to hit

947
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: that skip to the week side corner. They did the

948
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: first half. They got jumped after jump after jumper, and

949
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: then maybe the more impressive part was in the second

950
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: half Houston started kind of cheating towards the skip and

951
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: they started hitting the wrong guys short rules and traditional

952
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: roles as well. Like one Scott impressed me with their prep,

953
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,439
Speaker 1: but the players impressed me with their patients and ext

954
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: Like coach said, hey, coach said, keep that dribble, don't

955
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: pick up the dribble, look to the weak side, and

956
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: they did. Like it's not all you guys. Something you

957
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: guys don't know what you're doing. Something you don't coach.

958
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: It's a lot of times they don't listen. Used and

959
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: then I'll listen, and the good coaches find a way

960
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: to get the players to listen. The great coaches getting

961
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: to listen and then get players are good at to

962
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: make shots. Right. That's really how it works. It's the

963
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 1: John Wooden line. Right. It's Uh. One coach says he

964
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: taught it, and the other said the players learned it.

965
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: They guess what Scott threw players they learned it. And

966
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: you know it's it's what I say to my staff

967
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: all the time, like, hey, guys, we taught it. Did

968
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: they learn it? It's a great one. That's a great one.

969
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: I like that one. I like that one a lot. Uh,

970
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: It's it's very true. You can you can really see

971
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: the carrier with Scotts teams. And look, we got Scott's

972
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: team when we were up fourteen thirteen. They were not

973
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: in the live game. I thought that they were like

974
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: not hesitant, but like they weren't as confident. Now I

975
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: watched the Wisconsin game. They're coming now, and you watch

976
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: these last two games, it's like, whoa man, they this

977
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: is gonna be a heavyweight fight tomorrow. You know, we

978
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: have a line that says that the team that blinks

979
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: first loses. The team that blinks tomorrow night loses. Um,

980
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: all those in the bad US get three point seven. Now,

981
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: he didn't Mick didn't have a time out called to

982
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: set his defense. If you're in mixed position, do you

983
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: call time out? Are you a called time out on

984
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: a make guy? No? But what I do we do

985
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: drill this thing called cowboy and the inbounder's man. We

986
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: drilled this. Now you deny the ball? No, no, no,

987
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: we trapped it. So you're just gonna throw back to

988
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: the inbounder. He's out of the play. It's literally a

989
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: four on five drill. Okay, and you got but you

990
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: gotta drill it. You have to squinty. So when we

991
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: when I was when I was a Notre Dame, this

992
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: is like one of my like I I will and

993
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: I rest in peace to John McCloud. There was a

994
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: lot of things that I didn't think fit with the

995
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: college gaming. Still teach the pro game. And I would

996
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: turn to friend and I was like, he's like right. So,

997
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: but one of the things that was taught and drilled

998
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 1: was they called choking choking the point guard. So it

999
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: was whoever man is taking the bounds ball go in

1000
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: the basket and he just token denied the basketball to

1001
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 1: the point guard because the point guard is building back

1002
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: and then coming back up right you're you got, you got,

1003
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: you got. I mean we were drilled on three and two, right,

1004
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: we're sending two back, so you get the mid court,

1005
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: bring everybody back, and then when the ball goes in

1006
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: the basket, now you're building up. But I just I

1007
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: wonder if it's really hard. Right, you had no time out,

1008
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: you're on the fly, but it is everything you've drilled

1009
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: and literally nobody picked him up. He got three dribbles

1010
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: unmolested until he gets thirty teaching the basket. And I

1011
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,959
Speaker 1: granted it's a miracle shot. Hit the banker. I've lost

1012
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: once on a banker from that same spot. I get

1013
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 1: sucks because he don't feel like it's like a legit

1014
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: Christin Kott jump shot. But I mean if somebody makes

1015
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: him just hesitate for a second, he doesn't get cross

1016
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 1: court right. And I do think that that's one thing

1017
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: that you can drop. So you you trap it right,

1018
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: because now what if he gets it, Like one thing

1019
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: about jan was smartly he got it going down the court,

1020
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: that's a hard one to stop. It's a hard guess what.

1021
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: It's easier said than than what I'm saying right now. Okay,

1022
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: And from my couch, it's amazing, like stop the doll.

1023
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing is in a spot like that,

1024
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: you're told not to foul. So those kids are like this,

1025
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 1: your hands off, stay away. Look he has a hand

1026
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: court shot. And when the ball went up, you know,

1027
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: I was, you know, watching, uh watching it, and I'm

1028
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: thinking to myself when it went up, like he's got

1029
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: a good shot at this and when it banked here like,

1030
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. The only thing that you think about

1031
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: in the spot like that is like and I thought

1032
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: about this Anthony game. U c l A beats every

1033
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: team in the country except Gonzaga. I mean, it's the

1034
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 1: only team that day that gets away with a win.

1035
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: And that's how good Gonzaga is. I agree with you.

1036
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: Um here's what's interesting though, we do do this like

1037
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: oh my god, the grots seen like wait wait, I

1038
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 1: was there in Minneapolis. Uh, Texas Tech went overtime. Granted

1039
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: didn't end that way went over time with Virginia. Rememb Virginia.

1040
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: Every game was the say every game was crazy. They

1041
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: were beaten the semi final, they're playing albert and misses

1042
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: the shot. The games over there like no, no, we

1043
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: gotta foul you like what And then they're like, oh,

1044
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: I guess he did run under him. This just happened

1045
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: the last Final four, So if I was gonna ask you,

1046
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: we're about the same age. Okay, the best Final four

1047
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 1: games you can remember off the top of your head.

1048
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: Don't know. The Jenkins shot is still to me, you know,

1049
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: because it was the title game, yes, and it was

1050
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: at the buzzer, and it was here's here's my thing.

1051
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: It was first of all, people forget Marcus Page had

1052
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: that crazy double clutch shot, right, crazy crazy shot, like,

1053
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,439
Speaker 1: couldn't make it one more time in a hundred he makes,

1054
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: so they called time out. Now Jay goes into this thing.

1055
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: I actually think it's even better that it was called

1056
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: time out, Eve though. I do love time out there,

1057
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: just because it gave Roy a chance to set his

1058
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: defense and everybody knew what was coming, right. They only

1059
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: one one play and Roy I thought he screwed up.

1060
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: I know, he just retired. You know, he's a great coach.

1061
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: But he put Bryce Johnson underneath the rim, the gred

1062
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: the rim and guess whose man is the trailman? Ryce? Right?

1063
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: So if you watch like he's telling getting the rim

1064
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: guard the rims and the layups and Meanwhile his guy

1065
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: comes trailed down and hits an open three. But yes,

1066
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: that was I mean to hit it as the buzzer

1067
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: expires in an absolute And that was a great game.

1068
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: The two great teams, and the shot making was a

1069
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: lot like last last night, like that was. That was remarkable.

1070
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm with you, that's the best. That's the best one.

1071
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: And then I think that that team Yesterday's two, but

1072
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: that one's the best. And the way both teams played,

1073
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: Caroline and Nova played it was elite. Less Light was elite.

1074
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: I mean I think, um, you know, there's some games

1075
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: that are duds, you know, I remember the biggest dud

1076
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: Championship game of all time was the one Maryland one.

1077
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: That was an ugly game. I think it was Maryland,

1078
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: Indiana and that was an ugly game. But you know

1079
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: they wanted um but I think, you know, and then

1080
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: the Kemba you know, you know, Kemba's year was unbelievable

1081
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: in the Yukon Um It's hard to believe we become

1082
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: one four titles in twenty years. Crazy, right, I mean,

1083
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: that is insane. That is that is an insane stack.

1084
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: Think of that insane. People don't even realize not thirty

1085
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: minutes from me. But Danny is doing an unbelievable job.

1086
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: Calhoun did it. It's a farm. It's a farm. Yeah,

1087
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if I told you this. So, So,

1088
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: my mom grew up in Bridgeport, right, she went to

1089
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: Syracuse and when uh, when Yukon was recruiting me when

1090
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: I was in high school, she was like, stores oh, yeah,

1091
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: She's like, you want to go cow Tip. What do

1092
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: he means? She's like, it's like a vote tech. Like

1093
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: she looked down her Syracuse snobbery. She looked down and

1094
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: she's not that's not how but she looked down on

1095
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: anybody in the state of Yukon. When he got there.

1096
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it was like a might as well been

1097
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: a Juco, right, and they became a Jugger. And by

1098
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: the way, his best teams didn't win the national title, right,

1099
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: the team with Ray Allen and Deron Scheffer, Uh that

1100
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: and Travis Knight in nineties six that was unbelievable. He

1101
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: had other teams never really nineties that were unbelievable teams

1102
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: to win. And then he just he had teams that

1103
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: got hot. The irony in this final four, the two

1104
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: greatest build rebuild jobs in the history of college basketball

1105
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: one Jim Calhoun to Scott Drew, it's not even. And listen,

1106
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: if Scott wins amorrow, you could argue that this is

1107
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: he's up there. But I mean Calhoun has four coach

1108
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: Calhoun has four four three Kevin has But come on,

1109
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: I like Kevin, but come on, um well, I would argue.

1110
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,439
Speaker 1: Let me just say this because I'm a Kevin fan,

1111
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm a Yukon fan. Kevin did a great

1112
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: job in that in that him, I agree, I agree

1113
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: the things that derailed Kevin. I don't believe. I don't

1114
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: believe we're coaching. I might say this though, and this

1115
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: is my argument about Yukon. Right, if Kevin was still

1116
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: in the Big East, he's still he could he could

1117
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: possibly still be there. When you go from Yukon to

1118
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: the American you have no affiliation. This is this is

1119
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: it's a it's a great point you made. It's not

1120
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: said enough by people like because all the coaches be

1121
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: him will say it. Okay, So here's the reality. Here's

1122
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: the reality Syracuse. Since being in the a c C.

1123
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: Everybody's like, wow, you know, they got into the flot

1124
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: of four and then they run this year. Go look

1125
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: at their conference record. It's not very good. Okay, it's

1126
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: not very good. Like they were perfect for the Big East.

1127
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: And oh yeah, by the way, you're gonna draw better

1128
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: because you're playing rivals also teams single great closer proximity.

1129
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: Like if you play Georgetown in Villanova and and you

1130
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: come on a yearly basis in Syracuse, people show up

1131
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: just because like, yeah, well it's not a Georgetown good

1132
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: we want to go kick Georgetown's ass, right, that's what.

1133
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: And you know, like as opposed to playing Miami, I

1134
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: mean system, sorry, and I know Miami was in the

1135
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: Big East or whatever. A Florida State at how good

1136
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: Florida State is. I'm not going to see Florida State

1137
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: play where Georgetown Syricus. That sounds like a college basketball

1138
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: game I want to see. And that's not the only one.

1139
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: Look at the entire Big East that left the Big

1140
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: East going Va State. They dominated the league, and they

1141
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: weren't dominant before they left. Right you put Syracuse right

1142
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: back there. They're not they're not losing two games in conference.

1143
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: It's just it's completely Wichita State. Wichita State leaves the

1144
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: Valley and they have immediate success to the American and

1145
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: then now they're struggle a little bit and they're a

1146
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: little different, Like okay, so you're gonna go watch them

1147
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: play Central Florida or would you rather watch them go

1148
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: play you know, Evansville and the programs that they play,

1149
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: and and Drake like those are close proximity rivals. It is,

1150
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: and fran Dumphy has a great behind me says like,

1151
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: we have these economic problems and you have baseball teams,

1152
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: you have soccer teams, you have volleyball teams, you have

1153
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: soft softball teams. They're flying all over to play these games.

1154
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: You have to regionalize the other I mean, you have

1155
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: to reach we're gonna bail export, You're gonna have to regionalize.

1156
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: And he used to say, he still says, if I was,

1157
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: you know, commissioner of the n c a A, I

1158
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: would just make these like why are we why is

1159
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: certain baseball teams flying? Do you understand how much money

1160
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: that costs? Doesn't make any sense. Also, there's there's also

1161
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: and some of them left the bus, and there's like

1162
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: it's just the safety issue to it, right, I mean,

1163
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: just why would you and they miss class? It's it's

1164
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: the whole thing is crazy. It's whole thing is crazy.

1165
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, from football, like all right, your football,

1166
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 1: like you know, I'm I'm with you, Like if you

1167
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: go if you look at the look at the Big

1168
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: East teams that left the Big East and went to

1169
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: the a SEC. Walston Tives is never recovered. Never Pittsburgh,

1170
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh has, I mean Pittsburgh had. Now I know they

1171
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: changed coaches twice, but even though they played kind of

1172
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: boring style and that place is not like the most

1173
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: dynamic place. And because the one side of stands is

1174
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 1: like a it's got club level seating right there on

1175
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: the on the court level, which is kind of weird.

1176
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: But the the Oakland Zoos a good but they had

1177
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: a great home record, great in the Big East because

1178
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: they're playing like talented foes, right and they could recruit

1179
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: now they can't recruit New York nearly as easily. Um,

1180
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: and he's got good players. It's just hard when now

1181
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: you're now you gotta play Carolina, you gotta play two,

1182
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: he gotta play you know, Louisville, you gotta play all

1183
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: these and they're not proxicing rivals. And it's a frankly

1184
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: a higher level of competition at the top of the league. Um,

1185
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: Roy wayas retired as a coach. It's a coach when

1186
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: I say, Roy Wibbs, what do you think of class guy?

1187
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: Class class individual. Um, you know I know him a

1188
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: little bit, but just always very professional, always you know, thoughtful.

1189
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: You know, he always has a kind word to say.

1190
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 1: Just a gentleman, a real gentleman. They I thought I

1191
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: thought the thing about them, but was he? I mean, look,

1192
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: they always played fast, right like guys. I mean it's

1193
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: already unfair when you have like the argyle of the

1194
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: Carolina Blue George Brent and then they played like a

1195
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: fun style. They really no one transitions like they do.

1196
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: I don't think he was a perfect game coach, but

1197
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: I like nobody's perfect, right, there's no perfect coach. I

1198
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: thought some of the game and matter of fact, his

1199
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: best teams often he didn't have as deep avenge and

1200
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: he couldn't get himself self in trouble subbing too much.

1201
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 1: And I do think that that's all. I mean, you

1202
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: bring up a good point. There's only one team in

1203
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: college of basketball. Uh that is the fastest playing team

1204
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: and the most efficient. Everybody else that tries to play

1205
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: really fast is not efficient. It's Gonzagon. The efficiency drops

1206
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: hard with everybody else other than Gonzaga, and that is

1207
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: a credit to Fuey and just the way he teaches

1208
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: offense um because you know, it's shocking every year that

1209
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: Gonzaga can be the only team everybody else that plays

1210
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: that fast. It can't be efficient. Do you think it's

1211
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: because a level of competition or and I mean they're

1212
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 1: also very talented. I don't think it has anything. Here's

1213
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: here's the funny thing. I don't think it has anything

1214
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 1: to do with competition. I just think it's, well, he's

1215
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: got pros every year now Gonzaga has pros. And like

1216
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 1: I said, this recruited the best guys and then thought, Delias,

1217
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: that's kind of what it was. It's like this, and

1218
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 1: I found myself. You know, this is a secret, so

1219
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: don't tell anybody. Last night I was I was in

1220
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 1: my for twenty years. I've rooted for Gonzaga in that

1221
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: U c l A game. Last night they were used

1222
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 1: and they were UCLA was Gonzaga, Like I'm rooting for

1223
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: Mick and in my mind, and I love Hughie and

1224
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 1: I talked a few and Mick we made the tournament.

1225
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 1: Mix sent me a picture of myself. Right. I was

1226
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: on CBS Sports and he put a cigar in my mouth. Okay,

1227
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 1: he drew a cigar. Both guys are friends of mine.

1228
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 1: I was in my like, don't tell anybody now. I

1229
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: was rooting for U c l A. And they're the

1230
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: they're the top. It's because in my mind I couldn't

1231
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: grasp the Gonzaga has become U c l A. And

1232
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: it's like it's the opposite um last thing before we

1233
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 1: get to prevent in the game and picking, the picking

1234
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: some of the game. The portal. How many kids you

1235
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 1: have in the portal? One? He's a walk on? Did

1236
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 1: you do it as a as a goose or somewhere

1237
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 1: that's fine? Yeah, yeah, no, no, I look, we the

1238
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 1: problem with the neighborhood, and we say the neighborhood, it

1239
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 1: really is, nobody's gonna leave, Like if you do it

1240
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:45,640
Speaker 1: and you have so much fun and love, like you know,

1241
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: I may have like guys conversations in the next two

1242
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: weeks where I say, dude, you may not play next year,

1243
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: and they may go in, but it's not anybody I'm begging.

1244
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: I have my whole roster coming back. Okay. So now

1245
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: are you recruiting from the portal US? Okay? So everybody

1246
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: you're getting the portal? Right, and it's not even a

1247
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: birth pleasure. You can't recruit. You can't see kids play, right,

1248
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,759
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're not recruit if you're not recruiting

1249
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: the portal, what are you doing right now? We we

1250
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: gave our guys two weeks off. We'll start lifting this week.

1251
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: But like, I mean, what do you you got? You

1252
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: gotta be We're in the portal every my I one

1253
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 1: assistant like he's he's hitting the enter button fresh fresh fresh, okay.

1254
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: So um kid pops up in the portal and like,

1255
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: oh oh okay, So how do you determine if you

1256
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: have a shot. You gotta get somebody around them. I mean,

1257
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 1: like there's kids in the portal that we've tried at

1258
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 1: that I have good relationship with people, and they're high

1259
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 1: major players. See, we've revitalized to play. Malik Ellison was

1260
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,719
Speaker 1: a Pittsburgh A team to US, was first team A league.

1261
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: Tracy Carter transferred to US, was the best defensive player

1262
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: in our league. We've we've revitalized two guys careers so

1263
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 1: we've we've were trying to make a name for ourselves

1264
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: on it. But at the end of the day, when

1265
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: you have high major players that that haven't been humbled me,

1266
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 1: they're totally not flat on their back. There wouldn't be

1267
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,719
Speaker 1: good for me because that I need people that really

1268
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: want to understand what humility is. And if you don't

1269
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: un have humility, you can't play it hard. So so

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01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 1: is it? Do you also do the six degrees of Philly?

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01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: He's not he's not prompt Philly, but he played for

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01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: a guy who I knows, So let me call him

1273
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 1: connect like you go through the through the Philly thing? Right?

1274
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god? I mean I'm not allowed to tell

1275
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: you I got a commitment. We're not allow end I

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01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: got a commitment through that, Okay, So without saying names. Okay,

1277
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:05,719
Speaker 1: So how does it work? This this kid name pops

1278
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 1: up in the portal? Did you see your assistance here?

1279
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: I saw? Okay, so you saw it? And what what's

1280
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: what was the first thing you did? I called a

1281
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,759
Speaker 1: you coach, he's in the portal? Do we have a shot?

1282
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 1: You know? And then what is that we're competing against

1283
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: North Texas and St. Bonaventors. Okay, both both are outstanding

1284
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 1: years and really good coaches. Right, and I mean North

1285
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: Texas nice spot. I think Hartford I love, I personally

1286
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: love Hartford. The Farmington Valley definitely better than St. Bombadventure

1287
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 1: unless the kid has something for lean right. Okay, so

1288
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: he talked to the AU coach. He says, you have

1289
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 1: a shotter. He says, I don't know. You know, he

1290
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: really want my best players? Was his a U teammate. Okay,

1291
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: so we were, we dove in and we got it done.

1292
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: How long? How long did this process take? Eight days? Okay?

1293
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 1: I've heard some of these sims like lip man, you

1294
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 1: basically got like thirty to pick a call if you

1295
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 1: want to take this way. If if you go in

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01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: and you you're not on the phone with the kid,

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01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 1: it's yeah, like but then sometimes you get on the

1298
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 1: phone the kid, you're like, what if I don't want him?

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01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: How do I? Or you haven't done enough? Like you

1300
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: gotta get it started quickly otherwise everybody else gets in.

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01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 1: I watched everything. I watched every possession the kid ever played,

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01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 1: and I was salivating. You know when I salivate, I

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01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: don't stop like my staff like we we gotta get

1304
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 1: like I'm nuts about it. Oh yeah, I just I

1305
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 1: think people are fascinated by the process. I really do. Well,

1306
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 1: if you're going to do like, if you like, I

1307
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: heard somebody say, like, I'm gonna stay away from the pool.

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01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 1: If you stay away from the portal, you may not

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01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 1: be able to recruit. Like you can't say that. You

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01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: have to be versatile. Like look at Kentuckey. They just

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01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 1: got a great player, a great player, the kid from

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01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: from Davidson that's try now. He's very good. He's very good. Yeah,

1313
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 1: people thought, people thought good. That has been the next staff.

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01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,640
Speaker 1: You know, that's a hard burden to carry, but that

1315
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 1: that's where you feel bad for David's right, Like you're like, man,

1316
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 1: you know, you pour a couple of years in the kid,

1317
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 1: you recruit the kid, you build the program around the kid,

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01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 1: and then he's got one in your left was like, hey,

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01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go play Kentucky. It's the worst nightmare for

1320
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: for like, And that's why I'm so think about it.

1321
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 1: Any if you're at your level, if you're good, you

1322
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 1: have a really good player, and you're helping me gets better,

1323
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 1: He's either gonna leave and try and go pro or

1324
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 1: leave and go to a different program. If you're bad,

1325
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: you get fired. I don't want to leave, or they

1326
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 1: want to leave because I think somebody else is the

1327
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: reason that they're bad. I mean, it's like a no

1328
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: win like I guarantee, I don't know if you sail,

1329
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 1: you say, might have somebody go in the port of

1330
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: like you know, I don't know you've recruited over me

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01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 1: or whatever. I mean, it's a hard it's like a

1332
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,599
Speaker 1: no win thing. But I think the hardest ones are

1333
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:24,560
Speaker 1: the low majors especial. Right, you take a kid, you know,

1334
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 1: maybe he read church early and he by his senior

1335
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 1: year japters jr. He's a stud And you're like, all right,

1336
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: he's come back. He's an All league player. You've got

1337
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: an All League point guard. It's like, yeah, I'm gonna

1338
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: go to a better school. I don't even know what

1339
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 1: you do it it brings your So I'm gonna veer

1340
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 1: off here and tell you this is Porter Moser takes Oklahoma.

1341
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: How many teams are in the Big twelve? Okay, I

1342
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 1: think about this. How many teams are in the Big East?

1343
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 1: Let it yep. How many teams in the SEC fourteen.

1344
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: How many teams in Atlantic ten? Fourteen? So now here's

1345
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: my argument, this is my biggest argument with jobs. Don't

1346
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: go to a league with fourteen teams? Ready, if you

1347
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 1: you can't think because yeah no, no, yeah, you finished

1348
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: finished last maybe you're you're buried. How do you get

1349
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 1: like these jobs in these leagues are so hard? The

1350
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 1: Atlantic ten is a hard league. It's like I could argue,

1351
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 1: we could have a debate if Davidson stayed in the

1352
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 1: Southern Conference, what would have happened. I'm just I'm throwing

1353
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: this out there. I agree Davidson should not have I mean, like, look,

1354
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 1: Butler's going through it right now, Like, why do you

1355
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 1: think like people people forget that when Brad was there, Hey,

1356
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 1: this is Brad Stevens. Arguably, I mean, we can, we can,

1357
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 1: we can go to blows of her. You could have

1358
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 1: argued with the greatest college basketball coach there has ever been,

1359
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 1: considering the first stas the championship game. He had two

1360
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: great players, but still second he didn't have great players.

1361
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: I got was just a game and it was ugly.

1362
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 1: But how do they I mean, Matt Howard was his

1363
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 1: best player. He's like a six six six six post anyway. Um,

1364
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 1: but like look at them in the Big East down

1365
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 1: they have a tremendous coach. They recruit good kids, right,

1366
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 1: But I think it's really hard to when you're built

1367
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 1: for a certain level of student athletes to go and

1368
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 1: recruit against you know, Villanova and at the end, at

1369
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's still a good league

1370
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 1: because there's only the eleven teams. My my argument is

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01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 1: when you're in a league with fourteen teams, yes, it's

1372
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: it's just painful. It's yeah, it's I remember what I

1373
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 1: was that Notre Dame. We finished time for last the

1374
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,680
Speaker 1: East first year. Then fourteen teams are like, holy ship,

1375
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,679
Speaker 1: there's lot of kids of us and and that's think

1376
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 1: think about that. Like when Porter big twelve, all right,

1377
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: they only have ten teams. Seven got in this year

1378
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 1: seven of the ten. It's it is a great league?

1379
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 1: Is the more bid? Like I had this debate with

1380
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 1: him the other you know, two weeks ago. He's like,

1381
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 1: should I stay at Loyal or should I stay? Yeah?

1382
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: I know how about this? I said, don't you can stay,

1383
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 1: but you're not allowed to complain anymore about only getting

1384
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 1: one bid Ken, Yeah you can. So the reason you

1385
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 1: go Oklahoma, you have a seventy percent chance to get

1386
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 1: into the n c A Tournament. Think about that. The

1387
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 1: Atlantic ten, you're getting two teams, maybe three out of fourteen.

1388
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm not good at the percentages, but that's not good.

1389
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 1: The great point. I mean, look, I think they the

1390
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 1: Oklahoma job is a sneaky great job. Sneaky great job.

1391
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 1: Now there's only one downside. Give it this. I don't know.

1392
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 1: People don't people don't really care. They don't. They don't

1393
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 1: really care. You know, they'll show up for the big games.

1394
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:22,680
Speaker 1: If your ego is, hey, I want a fullhouse, I

1395
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 1: want the real college basketball field. It was never great

1396
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: and then the thunder all the thunder down now, but

1397
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 1: the thunder have taken. You know, Norman is twenty minutes

1398
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,600
Speaker 1: south of Oklama City, and you're gonna go see the

1399
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 1: NBA or you're gonna watch the Big twelve on TV.

1400
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 1: The arena is not great, but they got a brand

1401
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 1: new facility. Uh they have. He has in the conversation

1402
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 1: of the best athletic director in the country, joke signal

1403
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: is amazing, amazing. Um, you can recruit Dallas, you can,

1404
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 1: you can the best kids in Oklahoma generally don't go

1405
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,640
Speaker 1: to Ocama State some some exceptions. Generally they go to

1406
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 1: Oklahoma and you can get the kid. You have a

1407
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 1: Dallas kid Drew like Houston. You can also football helps

1408
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: you recruit anybody with a big team, like a big

1409
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: time a big time athletes, like hey, I want to

1410
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 1: come in a visit, all right, come when we play

1411
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 1: you know O s U or come when we play

1412
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 1: somebody big, Notre Dame in football and you come there

1413
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 1: like I'm in, I'm in, I'm gonna see this. But

1414
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 1: his personality will really resonate. He'll get the fans like

1415
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 1: they were selling out every game at Loo. Every thing

1416
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 1: about that they had no thing, it was selling out

1417
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,600
Speaker 1: every game. He will be one of those guys in

1418
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 1: the community that gets people fired up to come see

1419
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 1: the basketball team. I'm I'm all for it. I'm telling

1420
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 1: the reality of it, Like I don't know the job,

1421
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 1: but and and still there's a harder job. Smaller town

1422
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:55,600
Speaker 1: is further away. But I mean, everybody loves Mike and

1423
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 1: he got an extension and he's they're struggling to fill

1424
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 1: that place, and that's a bigger ice whatever I think. Look,

1425
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 1: I think Oklahoma is a great. That's why they've actually

1426
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 1: had go go through their coaches. They've all had been

1427
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: incredibly even Jeff, who it ended messy at the end,

1428
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: he was they were great. They had incredible success in

1429
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 1: Blake Griffin and then what derail Jeff is the same

1430
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:17,640
Speaker 1: thing we're talking about where he took a couple of

1431
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,799
Speaker 1: turns over McDonald's all Americans and the kids ruined the program.

1432
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 1: Like that's what brought down Jeff. It wasn't that they

1433
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 1: couldn't get kids, wasn't that they couldn't win games. He

1434
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 1: did both. Kelvin got to a Final four, Billy Tubbs

1435
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: got to a final four, and Alon Kirker got to

1436
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 1: a final four. Those are all the coaches and a

1437
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 1: coach in Oklahoma, right John McCloud parlay to an NBA job.

1438
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a sneaky great job, not a good job,

1439
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 1: a great job. And because of the thunder the state

1440
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 1: of Oklahoma producing more players than they used to um

1441
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 1: all of those things and Dallas just got dudes days

1442
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 1: for days. You know, you just gotta you know, you

1443
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 1: just gotta hire the right staff and get in there.

1444
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 1: And I think that's a great job. I think it's

1445
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 1: amazing job. If Mike Woodson were to call it, says John,

1446
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: I've been doing the proving. This is a new thing.

1447
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 1: Now he's at Indiana, which I mean, that's an amazing job,

1448
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 1: amazing opportunity, and I do love that. People. People will say, like,

1449
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: you don't want to go there, they have crazy expectations.

1450
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:26,480
Speaker 1: You tell me a place that doesn't have crazy expectations.

1451
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 1: First to your point about the twelve twelve teams, how

1452
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 1: many did the big ten get nine this year or

1453
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 1: close to or something like that. Yeah, I mean so

1454
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 1: they are and they have four teen teams, but it's

1455
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:40,719
Speaker 1: a different like you finished top half the league're getting

1456
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:45,560
Speaker 1: in um right, and then and then you're you're Indiana,

1457
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 1: Like you're not taking you're not coaching unless you're a competitor,

1458
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 1: and you're not coaching at a high level unless you

1459
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 1: think I can win. Tell me something that you can't win.

1460
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 1: But if it's you, he's asking you. And now you're

1461
01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 1: very personality from from Woody well the advice people. I

1462
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 1: love what I've got with him. Uh great guy. Um,

1463
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 1: I would be very frankly like for me, is my

1464
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 1: advice for him is, you know, get it, get it

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01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 1: get an Indiana like Indiana is different, Like I didn't

1466
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 1: like Indiana for border for this reason. The fan base

1467
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 1: gets in the way a lot of things. And I

1468
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 1: don't mean this in a negative way, but I'm saying this.

1469
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 1: The fan base can affect recruiting at Indiana more than

1470
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 1: more than any other place, because when it affects recruiting

1471
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 1: and affects your livelihood, Oklahoma fan base is off the

1472
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 1: charts excited about Borda. They wanted Indiana, wanted an Indiana guy, uh,

1473
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 1: and they got it. And what he's a great coach.

1474
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 1: He's gonna bring a lot. He's gonna have to bring

1475
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 1: a staff of you know, Midwest Indiana recruit and he will.

1476
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 1: And I think he'll make a great He'll do a

1477
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:09,600
Speaker 1: great job there. He's got he's got a lot of

1478
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 1: good stuff. Are you somebody who believes in hiring somebody

1479
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 1: who brings a player or or like, what's your what's

1480
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 1: your pre requisite for hiring us a coach? Like you

1481
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 1: gotta bring me a player? You know, I think it's

1482
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 1: more than a player. I think it's a network. The

1483
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 1: guy's got to be in a network, and the network

1484
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 1: can't bring one player it's got to bring a bunch

1485
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 1: of players. And then you want a coach. He's gotta

1486
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 1: be he's gotta love the game, just a passion of

1487
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 1: the game. Um. And you have to have balance on

1488
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:49,639
Speaker 1: the staff. You gotta have Everyone has strengths and weaknesses.

1489
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 1: You just have to make sure that the strength and

1490
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 1: weaknesses match up with each other. Okay, let's get back

1491
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 1: to the champion game. Okay, So you would tell if

1492
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 1: you were to ask you, if you we ask you

1493
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:04,640
Speaker 1: to watch your film, they'd say they let's push up

1494
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 1: and go under. Do you think that's what Gonzaga does?

1495
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 1: See I think this You're gonna laugh. I think an

1496
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: Zag has been studying Balor for a year. For one year.

1497
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:19,640
Speaker 1: That's that's how. That's how I think they on this

1498
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:23,679
Speaker 1: on this pod, you know, I recorded Roger pop Palell

1499
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 1: was it sist he has been there for two years

1500
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 1: and he doesn't have the scout. But he's like, yeah,

1501
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 1: we were prepared for them. Look, I know Tommy, Yeah,

1502
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 1: I know Tommy Lloyd, I know Mark Few. They were

1503
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 1: probably doing drills. I'm not kidding you, preparing for the

1504
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:48,640
Speaker 1: ice fall screen with Balord because balord Ice is you

1505
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 1: and they they they've been doing drills. And I'm telling

1506
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 1: you that's the advantage if you said to me right now,

1507
01:24:57,080 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 1: why Wigan Zaga. The Zags been preparing for balor for

1508
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 1: this and this moment for two years, for two years.

1509
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 1: So so ice ball screens on the side, ye? You

1510
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 1: your short are you short roll and hit the short roller? Are? Yeah?

1511
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 1: And then if you could bring we have a whole

1512
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:22,680
Speaker 1: we have a whole drill we do with it. You

1513
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 1: could throw back and come right back into a dribble

1514
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 1: handoff that kills people. That kills people, So you could

1515
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 1: do a bunch of different things off of it. I

1516
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 1: just can tell you that Gonzaga, whatever they're gonna do,

1517
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 1: they've been drilling it for for a year now. So

1518
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 1: you have to prepare for them icing ball screens, you

1519
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,560
Speaker 1: have to decide how you're guarding their ball scro What

1520
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 1: else do you have to do? Prepared to tell you

1521
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 1: gotta Timmy's gonna he's gonna get a double team coming

1522
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 1: from the baseline side. Double is gonna come from the

1523
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 1: baseline side. Now, a lot of people like you talk

1524
01:25:57,080 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 1: about they're not going to talk about this in the game,

1525
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 1: but the baseline side double because the top. He's gonna

1526
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 1: come up on the top side, and the double is

1527
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 1: gonna come. And it's a hard thing. Ballard does a

1528
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:13,719
Speaker 1: great job on the post double and it's gonna happen early.

1529
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 1: But where does it come from? With their spacing and

1530
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 1: they're playing four out, it feels like it's a long

1531
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:21,680
Speaker 1: run to get to that double. It's gonna be a

1532
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,680
Speaker 1: long run. But they're gonna anticipate it. Balard is going

1533
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 1: to anticipate it. They're gonna come. It's gonna come quick. Um,

1534
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 1: I've watched the tapes on it. Now. Look, the teams

1535
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 1: in the Big twelve are really really talented. They're not

1536
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:38,559
Speaker 1: they're not as good as Gonzaga offensively. So it's gonna

1537
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting to see. One of the keys

1538
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 1: of the game is who wins that battle in the double?

1539
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 1: Do do Gonzaga exploit the double? Okay, So if you're

1540
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 1: telling Timmy what what is your how how do you

1541
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 1: teach somebody to play out of the post double? Because

1542
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you catch the ball and you're at the

1543
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 1: you know, he's if he gets the ball out the

1544
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 1: left block. Now, he also likes to face up. Um.

1545
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 1: That's one of the best things he does on that

1546
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 1: short rope we're talking at the post, he catches the

1547
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 1: baseline double comes. What do you what do you teach?

1548
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,799
Speaker 1: You teach him to dribble out? Uh? Are you teaching

1549
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 1: him to cyber people who go like, hey to get double?

1550
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 1: Just shooting? How we got advantage on the week side?

1551
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 1: What are you teaching to do? We have a thing

1552
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: called Tyson holy Field, Okay, where you have to punch.

1553
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 1: You have to have a cutter punch the gap. So

1554
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 1: I'm imagining he's gonna turn and someone's punching the gap

1555
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 1: into the middle, hard cut and then that sucks the

1556
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 1: defense down and then you're skipping opposite and then that's

1557
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 1: a dangerous With Gonzaga, that's dangerous. But I would yeah,

1558
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 1: and that's where that's what they're gonna do. And then

1559
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 1: like the biggest shot of the games, one of the

1560
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 1: biggest shots of the game was kiss Burt's. They flew

1561
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 1: back and for the three Kisspert is gonna have to

1562
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to be because they're gonna double. They're

1563
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 1: not gonna ship and just let them go one on

1564
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:07,760
Speaker 1: one on the post. In my opinion, Uh, okay, who

1565
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 1: went who I got God, I'm going on the Waco

1566
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 1: TV station, I mean the Waco radio station tomorrow. I'm

1567
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 1: their good luck charm. Can you believe this? I've gone

1568
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:25,560
Speaker 1: around each week and they make me come back. So

1569
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 1: I am a huge Mark Few fan. Uh and I

1570
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 1: love them and I love Gonzaga. Um, you know my

1571
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:40,439
Speaker 1: mother yelled at me. But wait, just tack, You're right,

1572
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:50,680
Speaker 1: can balord it's gonna it's gonna be a listen. The

1573
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 1: only thing that bums me out I have my daughter

1574
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 1: and son that want to stay up and watch it.

1575
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 1: It's a nine o'clock tip on the East coast. What

1576
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 1: do I do? What do I do? Let him stay out? Yes? Okay, yes, yes,

1577
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 1: of course you do like again and and and you

1578
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 1: know you do easy, turn off your damn phony. He's

1579
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 1: just been doing every moment of it with that right.

1580
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:13,599
Speaker 1: It's like the I'm telling so this is true story.

1581
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:17,639
Speaker 1: So my son is twelve. So when he was ten

1582
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 1: or just yeah, we went to the left final form

1583
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis and he he he went to the one

1584
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 1: in Arizona and I was working for CBS and the

1585
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 1: time it was great, You've been to Dallas, and I

1586
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 1: was I was doing the set of the Final four,

1587
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 1: so I barely saw him suck and he was a

1588
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:36,760
Speaker 1: little And then Arizona came with me, and that was

1589
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 1: great because I had a buddy who met us there

1590
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 1: and whenever I was working, he took him and they

1591
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 1: just had with a couple. He had his boys there too. Minnesota.

1592
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:47,640
Speaker 1: So we go to the semi finals and you know,

1593
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 1: like I've known Pearl forever and these are all like Tony,

1594
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 1: It's been amazing to me. Uh, Pearl, who else? Beard

1595
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 1: is my beard and sewn suns on the staff, like

1596
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:02,839
Speaker 1: those are my guys. Who's gonna team put? Virginia, Auburn,

1597
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 1: Texas Tech and Michigan right, Michigan, so um, I'll never forget.

1598
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 1: Like before the Auburn game right right, Like the Michigan

1599
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 1: game was the first game he was tired. It was

1600
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 1: to use a little bored and he took a nap

1601
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 1: in the chair in the dome in between games and

1602
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:29,720
Speaker 1: he's like, Dad, I don't I can't make it. We

1603
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:31,840
Speaker 1: go back maybe to the Dorton mid it's the hotel

1604
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 1: because they watched on TVs. Like he did, he just

1605
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:37,479
Speaker 1: trust me something, just watch this game, okay. And the

1606
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 1: first half was a little born a little and then

1607
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 1: and he's still like and I got him like a

1608
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 1: coke and sugared him up and like he stayed that

1609
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 1: and he was amazing. And then um, so then Sunday

1610
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 1: we hung out. We just growed out. Monday I do

1611
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 1: radio show and then I had the game and he

1612
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 1: was kind of similarly like he's like, um, little Fried,

1613
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:00,599
Speaker 1: it's a long game. It was again a late start,

1614
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 1: you know, like nine o'clock. He's on East Coast time

1615
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,960
Speaker 1: at the time. And I was like, just trust you.

1616
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:10,040
Speaker 1: And to this day, like heep, you ask him, you asked,

1617
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 1: what's the best thing you've ever done. It's like I

1618
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 1: was tired. To the National semifinal, I went and stayed

1619
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 1: up and it was amazing, although I wanted to cry

1620
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 1: because Auburn he takes is a bad call. And then

1621
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 1: the championship, so yeah, I mean, you know, and and

1622
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:26,800
Speaker 1: and when the rum of the Patriots came back, it was,

1623
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 1: you know, down three. So we're living in Connecticut at

1624
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 1: the time, and my kids we've made him go to

1625
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 1: sleep at school the next day, and I promised him,

1626
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:39,640
Speaker 1: like looking to get close on weaken. Then all of

1627
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 1: a sudden and again like it's like what happened? Nothing

1628
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:48,080
Speaker 1: ut turn in the morning and back to bed, and

1629
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 1: I just felt so bad I didn't wake him up.

1630
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:54,080
Speaker 1: So the answer is the party of it. You know,

1631
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 1: whatever your favorite treats are. You get some blankets out.

1632
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:03,120
Speaker 1: You know it's gonna be it's it is the Foundily business.

1633
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 1: And you know what, it's going to be a classic.

1634
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:07,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just telling you tomorrow night is going

1635
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:11,360
Speaker 1: to be a classic. You're the best staying up with us.

1636
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 1: This will drop in the morning. We'll see if we

1637
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 1: get you four hundred thou more. We get four hundred

1638
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 1: thousand more. We gotta do like once a month, no question,

1639
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 1: no question. But I'll get residuals. To get residuals in

1640
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 1: the in the in the meantime, go back in the portal.

1641
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:30,679
Speaker 1: We'll get more players. We'll talk to you saying thanks, Doug,

1642
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 1: you're the best. But okay, so there's your there's your

1643
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 1: Day of the National Championship pod. And of course you

1644
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 1: go on over the bet rivers bet rivers dot com.

1645
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 1: You can you can throw some coin on it. They

1646
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:49,559
Speaker 1: have all kinds of different games as well. You can

1647
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:52,080
Speaker 1: figure out exactly what you want to do for tonight's game.

1648
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:54,559
Speaker 1: I think it's a great game. I think the big

1649
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 1: challenge and I actually forgot dask Roger this. We're kind

1650
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 1: of limited on time, uh. I think the big challenge

1651
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 1: is going to be that U c l A doesn't

1652
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:05,640
Speaker 1: beat Gonzaga on Monday night. That was a game that

1653
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 1: went late in the night, the hard fought game. They

1654
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 1: hadn't played an overtime game all year, they hadn't played

1655
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 1: a game like that. You're gonna have the juice for

1656
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 1: the game, but you know, to to play at your

1657
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:21,240
Speaker 1: absolute peak. That'll be hard. Considering Baylor that game was

1658
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 1: over at the half, it really was. On the other hand,

1659
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:26,840
Speaker 1: Gonzaga is now played in a close game. They've seen

1660
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 1: their own blood and they found a way to win

1661
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:31,439
Speaker 1: a game. So you look, I picked Anzaging to start

1662
01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 1: the year. I'm not as confident as I've been throughout

1663
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:37,679
Speaker 1: parts of this season, but I'm still confident enough. They're

1664
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 1: great team and as good as Baylor is. I think

1665
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:45,479
Speaker 1: Gonzaga just has more implied threats offensive, which is more

1666
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:47,719
Speaker 1: guys you expect to be able to score, which creates

1667
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 1: more space. You get space to glijal and sucks since

1668
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:55,160
Speaker 1: it's really hard to guard. So I'm gonna take Gonzaga

1669
01:33:55,320 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 1: in a close game. Remember you can download the daily podcast.

1670
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:03,120
Speaker 1: The radio show podcast is the radio show on Fox

1671
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:06,240
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