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Speaker 1: First of all, Bro, appreciate you being on the show.

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Speaker 1: You one of my favorite players.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: I got an opportunity to do a training camp with you,

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Speaker 1: and I was just calling back home every day after practice,

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Speaker 1: like no man, Rondo wanted them ones. Man, y'all just

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Speaker 1: don't know. Really appreciate you being on the show with us. Man,

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Speaker 1: it's long time coming. We're excited for this. So thank you, Bro,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: Two guys I always respected when I played against watching Afars.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I appreciate you having me on. Glad to

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Speaker 3: be here.

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Speaker 1: So when you first got to the league, who's the

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Speaker 1: first person to bust your ass?

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Speaker 3: Damn right, we getting right to it. Okay, what's your

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Speaker 3: definition of bus ass? I mean fifty a high order

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Speaker 3: to gave me some fits?

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Speaker 2: Just gave you some fits.

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Speaker 1: The first person, you know, when you got on the

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Speaker 1: level and you was like it's real out here.

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Speaker 3: I gotta say agent zero man, Yeah, yo, yes, sir, watch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I had to check in and try to cool it

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Speaker 3: off and it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah that's the bullshit. Yeah, one of the ones.

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Speaker 1: Back then, he went through one for about three four

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Speaker 2: It was crazy.

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Speaker 3: Cat a lot of win of that, sir.

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Speaker 4: Yo yo yo. We live on location. Me and the

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Speaker 4: blackest One come to you today. Championship Edition. Sixteen years

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Speaker 4: in the league, two time NBA Champ, four time all

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Speaker 4: start led the league in assists three times, mister Ray

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Speaker 4: John Ron though in the building.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate your fulling up.

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Speaker 3: On us fan, appreciate your hobey man. Glad to be here.

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Speaker 1: You grew up in Louisville, Kentucky, you know, my man

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Speaker 1: da From there you started playing football first, correct, What

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Speaker 3: I actually played baseball and football with my first two loves.

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Speaker 3: I started playing basketball because it was something to do

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Speaker 3: come always, you know, come always over and be like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: really was my favorite love. Football, my love because my

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Speaker 3: older brother, he played quarterback and he still go to

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Speaker 3: for me, I thought I always had an advantage playing

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Speaker 3: better than football, let's just put it that way. So

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Speaker 3: I stuck the basketball. And I always tell people if

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Speaker 3: my head coach I as to coach basketball, Doug Bibbie,

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Speaker 3: That's how I was thinking.

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Speaker 2: So you was nice though at football the first couple

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Speaker 3: I thought I was pretty good. Like I said, I

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Speaker 3: I played it.

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Speaker 3: like I said, the relationship I held my coach was

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Speaker 1: Your junior year, you averaged twenty seventeen and seven. What

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Speaker 3: That's a great question. I left because, like I said,

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Speaker 3: That's what changed in my life. Mentor like Doug Bibby,

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Speaker 1: My school closed down, the high school I went to

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Speaker 1: Then I ran into Rashad and Rashad was like, man,

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Speaker 3: So for me, I didn't get no I didn't do

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Speaker 2: Year and y'all go on the road everywhere.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty it was on the road, so I was

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Speaker 4: That was kind of like going to college before going

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you it was. It was the best place

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Speaker 2: What kind of coach was Steve smith Man?

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Speaker 1: Because he every time I seen him, he was like

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Speaker 2: Every time I see him at camp or any of.

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Speaker 2: But every time I see him, he cool as hell.

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Speaker 1: But looking at his roster and the players that he have,

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Speaker 3: He was the hell of a coachman.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: He gave us all confidence. He challenged us when needed

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Speaker 2: And smooth was your teammate there, right, that's is that

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Speaker 2: Male? Did y'all know each other before that?

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Speaker 2: Did that put the mentality in you?

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Speaker 3: Every night. And then, like I said, we've been now

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Speaker 2: So that was just kind of they not letting you

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Speaker 4: None of that, like nah, he's not going to work

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Speaker 3: Trying to pop up on the late out like hey

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm a competitive person. I love competing everything

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Speaker 4: How was it when you found out, you like that

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Speaker 4: you was gonna be a McDonald's All American, Like you said,

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Speaker 4: I have to leaving Louisville, you not even top seven hundred,

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Speaker 4: but then you complete a dope season, then you get

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Speaker 4: rewarded with you know, that's the biggest accolade for us

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Speaker 2: How did that feel?

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Speaker 3: It was humbling because of you know, the work that

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Speaker 3: So we had the opportunity, like I said, to get

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Speaker 1: What was it about Tubby that that didn't work, that

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Speaker 4: So you don't understand that college be locking people up

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Speaker 3: But believe in you. And like I said, I mean

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Speaker 2: Man, it definitely would you know.

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Speaker 4: It ain't even gotta be no no real situation, somebody

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Speaker 3: Then looking back on it. Like I said, I'm always

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Speaker 1: And do you still have your gold medal that you won?

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Speaker 3: Tubby Tobby? Uh you know it was time to go

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Speaker 2: Was they still doing movie Bible? Did you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So how mean how many workouts did you go

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Speaker 4: Like me and you were like, you know, he was

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Speaker 3: Let's get it. I don't mind shot showcase. So that's

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Speaker 1: for two months, but just being in Boston, it's like

442
00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,640
Speaker 1: the area is different. When you walk into practice facility,

443
00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,680
Speaker 1: it's just like it's a different feel. You see them

444
00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:03,760
Speaker 1: old school banners up and all that stuff. When you

445
00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,919
Speaker 1: you got drafted, then you got traded to uh to

446
00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,639
Speaker 1: Boston Draft, Like, how was it when you first walked

447
00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,600
Speaker 1: in Boston and kind of got your look at the

448
00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,080
Speaker 1: organization and the feeling of just being around her even

449
00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,199
Speaker 1: though y'all didn't y'all wasn't winning the way you was

450
00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,720
Speaker 1: first We lost eighteen straight.

451
00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that. I'm just saying, like the.

452
00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,840
Speaker 3: Or the energy it was okay, you know, like I said,

453
00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,240
Speaker 3: coming from Kentucky then in that particular origentification that year,

454
00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,320
Speaker 3: like I said, there was great people around, but the

455
00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,960
Speaker 3: team we weren't. We weren't even trying to win that year.

456
00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,720
Speaker 3: So it was tough to understand, like, damn, like this

457
00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,640
Speaker 3: the league, like right, you know, I'm trying to win

458
00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,720
Speaker 3: and y'all drafted me and we're trying to lose. So

459
00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,600
Speaker 3: I had struggle. I struggled with that. On top of

460
00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,359
Speaker 3: you know, expecting to play, not expecting play. I felt

461
00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,560
Speaker 3: like I earned the play in practice, and you know,

462
00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,200
Speaker 3: I'm docs telling me before the game, hey I'm gonna play.

463
00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,120
Speaker 3: I look at it. In the fourth quarter, I ain't

464
00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,560
Speaker 3: in the game. So it's like, you know, just playing

465
00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,159
Speaker 3: nine games like that in the sense of, you know,

466
00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,200
Speaker 3: being frustrated. On top of like I said, we lost

467
00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,240
Speaker 3: eighteen straight. You know, in my house it was it

468
00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:06,159
Speaker 3: was quiet as hell, you.

469
00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,439
Speaker 2: Know what I mean. I'm losing.

470
00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,040
Speaker 3: We all losing. So like I said, this walking around

471
00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,240
Speaker 3: the energy, So that was that was kind of tough

472
00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,359
Speaker 3: to deal with, understanding like this isn't the NBA, but

473
00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,280
Speaker 3: this is this is my Welcome to the NBA. Type

474
00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,320
Speaker 3: of moment, but being able to persevere, how to write

475
00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,520
Speaker 3: people around me, like I said, stuck through it and

476
00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,560
Speaker 3: my peoples always saying man, cream rats at the top.

477
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,760
Speaker 3: And then a year later, you know, being one of

478
00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,080
Speaker 3: the youngest to start point guards win the championship. So

479
00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:29,840
Speaker 3: that's that kind of all unfolded from me and my

480
00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:30,399
Speaker 3: love story.

481
00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,239
Speaker 1: So how was your summer when you heard y'all got

482
00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,399
Speaker 1: kg y'all got ray Allen?

483
00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,120
Speaker 2: Like how everything was unfolded?

484
00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,200
Speaker 1: You come off a year where it's a bad year,

485
00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,040
Speaker 1: y'all was one of the worst team, and then you

486
00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,600
Speaker 1: just see your team just go from worse basically the

487
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,720
Speaker 1: first and on paper, right, yeah, the expectation of y'all

488
00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,640
Speaker 1: is championship or nothing, right knowing, So how is those

489
00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:56,320
Speaker 1: summer of that?

490
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,400
Speaker 3: See? For me, I was already motivated by not playing

491
00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,320
Speaker 3: the previous year, you know what I mean. So it

492
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,000
Speaker 3: was like I was already trying to get to it.

493
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,159
Speaker 3: And then once I got those type of pieces around

494
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,560
Speaker 3: me again, I'm hearing the you know, I'm hearing the chatter, Oh,

495
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,119
Speaker 3: they can't win with a young point gird or he

496
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,000
Speaker 3: can't do this, he can't do that, And I'm like okay, cool.

497
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,160
Speaker 3: So it was just more motivation to keep it going

498
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,720
Speaker 3: and keep you know, keep feeling out a way to

499
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 3: get w's. I've always been driven by doubt, you know,

500
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 3: people that always, you know, thought I couldn't do something.

501
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,119
Speaker 3: So I love to prove people wrong, you know. I

502
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,560
Speaker 3: love to prove myself what I can do. I love

503
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 3: to set high expectations and goals for myself and I

504
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 3: try to accomplish them. And not knowing I wasn't get

505
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 3: the ship done or we won't get it done right away,

506
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,280
Speaker 3: you know, at twenty twenty one years.

507
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 4: Old, at any point when you're hearing like because you

508
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 4: know how it did. We all know how it is

509
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 4: like you're hearing like he said, KG coming ray. Did

510
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,960
Speaker 4: you ever was you like at any point like hell

511
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 4: am I in this? Was you checking with your agent

512
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,080
Speaker 4: to make sure you was gonna be staying put?

513
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 3: I was supposed to be in. I was in the Trader.

514
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 3: So I remember at the CREB my mom house, Yeah, sometime,

515
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 3: and my name is on the screen in Minnesota Trade.

516
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,439
Speaker 3: It's like seven of us. I'm like shit, you know me,

517
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 3: I'm listen in my mind, this is.

518
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:00,200
Speaker 2: What I want.

519
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 3: I'm sick of being here. They're not playing me, man,

520
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 3: they drafting me. Man. You know I'm off. So I'm like, man,

521
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,160
Speaker 3: let me get somewhere I can get going. And I'm

522
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 3: thinking I wanted this. I see my name on the screen.

523
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 3: A couple of hours later, Danny called me like, hey,

524
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 3: you're not going to where? Like okay, cool, it is

525
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 3: what it is. No other guys had left all who

526
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 3: now is my opportunity. I got to get to it

527
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 3: because I need to get this started job.

528
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I had to as because I know

529
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 2: we all know how it is.

530
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,879
Speaker 4: Whenever it's seismic deals like that with a KG, you

531
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,680
Speaker 4: already know about who else in it, like it ain't.

532
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 2: Just gonna be just one or two.

533
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 3: At the time, that was.

534
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Speaker 2: The most all time and that I remember that, Yeah.

535
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,439
Speaker 1: Sir, tell us about that once y'all got them guys.

536
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 1: I always used to hear about that, that that month

537
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 1: or two of training camp and all that, how intense

538
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 1: the practice, how live the practice was, of y'all getting

539
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 1: together and y'all playing. Tell us about the end y'all

540
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:54,360
Speaker 1: went overseas.

541
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Speaker 3: I think for pre seeds, and I think that's the

542
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 3: most instrumental thing that happened for us that year. We

543
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,640
Speaker 3: came early for training Camptain balls, and like I said,

544
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 3: guys like man, you know, fuck everything else what you're doing.

545
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 3: Let's let's come in and sacrifice a couple weeks earlier

546
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 3: so we could figure out get our chemistry camarader together.

547
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 3: We did that on top of going to Rome, where

548
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,959
Speaker 3: we don't want people that speak English, so we had

549
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 3: to pretty much kind of attend to each other, stay

550
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 3: in the hotel room, tried different foods that we don't

551
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 3: normally do. We had a lot of fun with that,

552
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 3: getting more chemistry and camaraderie, and then we jailed. I

553
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 3: mean from day one, like I said, everybody had their

554
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 3: own things, their own ways. Between Ray and Kevin, how

555
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 3: they got ready for the game. You know, there's certain

556
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 3: things that we had to get accustomed to, but we

557
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 3: got all that out the way overseas. Every day, like

558
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 3: I said, we were together. We went to every dinner.

559
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 3: You know, we were together. We had team events. Doctor

560
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 3: a hell of a job with that aspect of it.

561
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 3: We had practiced, so we obviously spend more time with

562
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 3: each other than our families. So we jailed quickly. We

563
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 3: got different age groups like we got younger guys twenty two,

564
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 3: twenty three, younger, then we got the old gs you know,

565
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 3: alder guys, the sam the Kg's and the big three.

566
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 3: So but it never really we still hung together. Like

567
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 3: we might go to the club. They might be one section,

568
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 3: wee another. But like I said, we still was a

569
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 3: team and we all together. They'd never really let us

570
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 3: pay for anything. We go to dinner. The big homies

571
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 3: got the tab. So just teaching us the rope going

572
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,239
Speaker 3: to their universities, That's what I say all the time.

573
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 3: Like I went to everybody. I went to some of

574
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 3: the best universities in the game. I went to KG University,

575
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 3: pe Ray. I soaped it up, shack. I got a

576
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 3: lot of vets that, like I said, I was able

577
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 3: to get a game from and just put it and

578
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 3: apply to now when I went got older, to pour

579
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 3: it into the Anthony Davis's de Marcus Cousins like those

580
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 3: young guys what I got from them. So it's pin

581
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 3: the game forward.

582
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 1: Is it true that Big Baby pulled up in the

583
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: bike overseas he was late for the team meeting team dinner.

584
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 3: Yes, Baby had some interesting things going on over sea.

585
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 3: Funny Guy like I said, he's a rookie too.

586
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, yeah, he.

587
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,199
Speaker 1: Was telling us this story over here, and he was

588
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: telling us that how he was late, he couldn't get

589
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: a cab or a taxi. Thenn he seeing these kids,

590
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: ean hopped on the bike, put them on the hand

591
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 1: of the boards and then rode to where y'all was

592
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 1: eating at and everybody looking at him walking in.

593
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 3: Hey he found a way. But yeah, he was a character.

594
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 3: And like I said, you know, they challenged in different ways.

595
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 3: I remember he had he raw octopus, you know, for

596
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 3: some money over there. They said they made it fun

597
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 3: for us and a big partner how we had so

598
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 3: much earlier success.

599
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: Tell us about just getting into this championship season because

600
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: you're a young guy, but you're playing with four veterans.

601
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 1: You're starting with four veterans, and with that you got

602
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 1: to learn how to say no, correct you know what

603
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and not really care about Ray feelings at

604
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: the time, or Paul feelings at the time, or Ticket

605
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: feelings at the time.

606
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 2: And somebody is a fan of all these guys.

607
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes that'd be the hardest thing is to get in

608
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 1: that mode. And that teaches you leadership of what you have.

609
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: So how was that transition to no, I'm gonna come

610
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: back to you. Let me get him going.

611
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 3: And you know, I didn't watch TV growing up, So

612
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 3: for me, when I got them boys, them young man,

613
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 3: grown man, I wasn't a fan of nobody, okay, So

614
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 3: it was just, damn, you're really good at what you

615
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 3: do in this position. You're really you're great at this craft.

616
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 3: So let me master and figure out how to make

617
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 3: you guys job a lot easier and put us all together.

618
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 3: So for me, it was never in awe of any

619
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 3: of them. What I loved and appreciated was that work

620
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 3: at how they came in and you know, dedicated to

621
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 3: their craft and why they were and why they are

622
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 3: you know, first ballot Hall of famers. So for me,

623
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 3: I was more of a thank you. Let me see

624
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 3: how you work and give me this game, and I'm

625
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 3: gonna show you what I'm worth by displaying how hard

626
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 3: I played, you know, how I communipulate the game, and

627
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 3: like I said, make your job a lot easier. So

628
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 3: for me, I took pride and you know what p

629
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 3: you know, shot forty two percent from the field the

630
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 3: year before. Let's try to give them to forty seven,

631
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 3: and I can do that with a couple of easy

632
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 3: layups and transition. Okay, raise shot. Thirty six percent of

633
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 3: his shots are contested. How can I get them to

634
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 3: shoot forty two percent of his shots on contest and

635
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 3: now his three point per senties goes higher. So it's

636
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: like this, I was trying to minipulate and find ways

637
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 3: to make the game easier for that KG Lottter we

638
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 3: kind of got together. So just being able to make

639
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 3: that type easier every time we make a certain read

640
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 3: or feel. That's what I pride myself on was to

641
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 3: make those guys job easier. And I said, hopefully they'll

642
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,479
Speaker 3: understand and respect what I do for them and appreciate it.

643
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 4: Talk to me about how much Sam Coulsell helped you

644
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 4: when he came to the team, and how much like

645
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 4: because I don't think he gets his just dude, his

646
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 4: impact on constantly from John Wall to like all of

647
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 4: the players he's still impacting over on the bench and

648
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 4: the way he's able to relate to the actual player

649
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 4: and then bring the best out of him.

650
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: Talk about Sam Cassell.

651
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 3: Man, he's so vital in our game, and I think

652
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 3: at times league and try to get guys like that

653
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 3: out the game. And it makes no sense whether you

654
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 3: got to pay him a bat minimum or a couple

655
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 3: of couple million. Like I said, it's about giving back.

656
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 3: And he's one of the greatest that that's always done

657
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 3: it for me. When first Sam first came in, I

658
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 3: got my guard up right to take my spot. Said,

659
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 3: I was okay, Bet, you know what, let's get it.

660
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 3: So when I came in, I was on that, like,

661
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 3: let's get it at practice. But Sam, you know, if

662
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 3: you don't obviously exact look, probably won't.

663
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: Play you out.

664
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 3: So he got when he got that, my guard down

665
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 3: a lot. And then, like I said, from as a

666
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 3: mentor and as a big brother, like at times Doc,

667
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 3: there's no secret he pissed me off. You know, I

668
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 3: was frustrated with Doc a lot of times, and Sam

669
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 3: was that guy that bridge gap along with Tu years later,

670
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 3: like those are the guys that kind of in that

671
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 3: relationship understand Okay, this is what he's thinking o versus

672
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 3: and then they're telling them like this is how I'm thinking.

673
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 3: So it helps the relationship a lot. And like I said,

674
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 3: he was vital and pivotal for those a couple of

675
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 3: years that I had was able to play with him.

676
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 3: You know, he's a two time champ out before they

677
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 3: well I think he matter won one before in Houston.

678
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 3: But like I said, this being never to have a

679
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 3: guy get around in the locker room and then I've

680
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 3: got to be able to go to the coaching staff

681
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 3: also translate to like what's best for the team and

682
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 3: what's best for each us and individually. So he's big.

683
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 3: He's doing the heath up a thing down in Boston

684
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 3: as well. He's still out there killing it. I don't

685
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 3: know how he's not an EDG coach by now.

686
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, shout out Sam, I am man. I want

687
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 4: to see the big dog get a shot.

688
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: You said you didn't really watch a lot of players

689
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: growing up. One thing that separated me from other guys,

690
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: especially early, is I figured out what organized basketball That

691
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: is just not basketball. It's a strategic thing and it's

692
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: a manipulating thing in the game. So when did you

693
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: learn like it's strategy instead of we just go out

694
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: here and who Because still to the day you got

695
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: guys in the league that don't know nothing about the strategy.

696
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: They just got holly.

697
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: They don't know how to really manipulate or strategize on

698
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: what's going on. And I feel like that's the guys

699
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: IQ that separates them from the rest. But I seen

700
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: you had it off the rip, So when did you

701
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: if you didn't watch nobody, when did you really start

702
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: learning the strategy of it again?

703
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 3: Shout out to my head coach in high school, Doug Bibbie.

704
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 3: He broke the film down for me my freshman year,

705
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 3: malet me see things I didn't want to see on film.

706
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 3: You know, at times I grew frustrated with watching it

707
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: because of the mistakes I made and kind of feeling

708
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 3: embarrassed in front of everybody. So for me, he broke

709
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 3: it down for me. And once I started to figure

710
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 3: that out, I saw to learn team's tendency study plays.

711
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 3: Now I'm going from one to two steals a three

712
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,719
Speaker 3: four game in high school, I mean so and for

713
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 3: me that that drew more instance of like, Okay, this

714
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: is the answer to the test. Yeah, we're gonna figure

715
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 3: it out because I don't want to go in the

716
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 3: tests if prepared. So if I know that every time

717
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: you like to shoot the jab jump shot, next time

718
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: you jab me, I'm jamming you, you know what I mean? So, Yeah,

719
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 3: little stuff like that I got to and then when

720
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: I started feeling in the game, it's like, oh shit,

721
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: I got seeing it more.

722
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, how was it?

723
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 4: Like you know what I'm saying, Like that first year

724
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 4: when you get the big three together, Like when y'all

725
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 4: get to the point in the playoffs, like you know,

726
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 4: you done heard all of the talk about point guard

727
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 4: we its just how is it when y'all going into

728
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 4: that playoff run and ultimately when y'all, you know, win

729
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 4: the championship. How did you feel going through that whole

730
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 4: process from the start of the playoffs to like actually

731
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 4: win in the championship and then you a.

732
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: Champ against the Lakers exactly against.

733
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: Kochyn when he won. I think, since I was boring,

734
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: I think the last time they won was like eighty six.

735
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: So I'm like, I don't even understand. It's just the

736
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 3: the rivalry. But here we are.

737
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like I know how the whole franchise and

738
00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 4: the greats came down.

739
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: Just talk tell you about that impact.

740
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: It was an unbelievable ride for me, you know, being

741
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 3: at twenty one years old with expectations. But like I said,

742
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 3: my going into that season, Doc preached to us all year,

743
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's just certain step oftones

744
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: that we have to take, you know, the certain obstacles

745
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 3: amounts that we have to climb to get to the

746
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: ultimate goal and not losing self along with the journey,

747
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 3: always thinking selfless, thinking about the team. And we had

748
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 3: a word called inmbhutu. So it's I can't be a

749
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 3: lot all I can be unless you're all you can be.

750
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 3: And so that means as if I got full turnovers,

751
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: but Adye House coming the game, he's cracking, I can't

752
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: be over at hating or not wanting the best for him.

753
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: I gotta want the best for my teammate as well,

754
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 3: even through the rough times, you know, individually if you're

755
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 3: planning on the court. So having that instilled on us

756
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 3: from day one, and we've talked about it in wrong.

757
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 3: We went through it throughout the season. You know, we

758
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 3: had ups and downs, whichever team does, but it's sticking

759
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 3: through it and handing adversity. So getting into the playoffs

760
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 3: first couple of rounds, again, expectations were a championship or

761
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 3: bus So for me, I just want to always prepare

762
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 3: myself to be as the best position as possible that's

763
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: you know, the proper rest, the food to diet, sleep.

764
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 3: And then for me again, my one up I thought

765
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 3: was just the study habits of my film. If I

766
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 3: can do all the answer to test if I knew

767
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 3: every player, because in the playoffs, you know, like I said,

768
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: you got a nice playbook, but for the most part,

769
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: you got certain guys that their players are going to

770
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 3: be manipulated to. So if I can figure those out,

771
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: have the answers. Now I'm yelling back telling them, you know,

772
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 3: purpose of screen coming or he's telling me vice versas

773
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 3: we're of the same page. The kind of was able

774
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 3: to click, and we was running through teams and we

775
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 3: felt good about it. But that first year was tough.

776
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 3: Like I said, I think we played twenty six games.

777
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 3: Did the championship. Atlanta took us to seven. You know,

778
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 3: we couldn't get it down on the road for a while.

779
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 3: I think Atlanta's took us to seven. Thenk Cleveland took

780
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 3: us to someone to say six maybe or seven, and

781
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 3: then we went six six or something like that with

782
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 3: Detroit Pistons and the Lakers. So it wasn't an easy rod.

783
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 3: Like I said, we struggled every round. But again that

784
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 3: kind of made us who we were. And then the

785
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 3: following years, you know how it goes. You get deep

786
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: in the playoffs, the easier the game becomes. So seeing

787
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 3: all different type of defensive schemes, you know, a lot

788
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 3: of different offensive sets, they started to blur and run

789
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 3: the same so like even nowadays, game it's like everybody

790
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: for me is down to run the same offense.

791
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: Ain't no new stuff out nothing.

792
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: You know, they might say because different language, verbiage. Yeah,

793
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 3: it's just everybody run the same off.

794
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: And everybody don't got the same personnel, and they still

795
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: run the same the same.

796
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,239
Speaker 3: Some different I think is I think Memphis right now

797
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 3: they're run a little bit less pick and rolls and

798
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 3: some other things. But for the most.

799
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: Part, it looked like early outfense. That's all they looked

800
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: like this early offense. That's all they run.

801
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 3: Ain't no secondary early none of that.

802
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: Ship Like, they don't even change the defensive schemes, like

803
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: it's the same thing, like some of the stuff off

804
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: the screen and roll. It'd be like, man like, y'all

805
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: ain't gonna switch it up.

806
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: He's killing you. Hey, that's what Let me let me

807
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: ask you.

808
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 4: This is somebody because you play you played PG yous

809
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 4: a dude who guarded your position for you know, most

810
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 4: of your career, and it was during the era where

811
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 4: we were forced to go over screens. What do you

812
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 4: think now when you watch the game and you don't

813
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 4: even see a screen set and they just point, They

814
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 4: just point. It's like, I know, my boy down here,

815
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 4: Jalen Suggs. He his ass off, he get over and

816
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 4: around screen. I see him do some of the stuff

817
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 4: we used to do, get their knees in the quads

818
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 4: when you try and get up. He didn't got all

819
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 4: of that elbow Like, So what do you think when

820
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 4: you look at it and I'm talking about not just

821
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 4: like forget about the first three cards. I'm talking about

822
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 4: it'd be in a big moment in the game and

823
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 4: you know they trying to switch you onto this dude

824
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 4: so he get the advantage and they just run on

825
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 4: up and just point and switch. I'll be like, why

826
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 4: didn't he fight over the screen and stay with the man.

827
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: See, it's a couple of things. It depends obviously on personnel. Obviously,

828
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 3: the game is stretched a little bit a lot further

829
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: than kind of when we was playing and three is

830
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: ten times honeymore, like I said, in the two years

831
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: would probably be averaging. The teams will be average. Fifty

832
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 3: three is a game. Man, it's already up there. But

833
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: I think it's because of the defense and guys, you know, say,

834
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 3: depend on the matchups one on one. They got different

835
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 3: schemes they call Oklahoma now where you do switch and

836
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 3: then you run fired, try to get the ball. The

837
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 3: guys haying for the double guys are slipping a lot

838
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: of gold screens. I don't think the communication is well.

839
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say I don't think I've only you know,

840
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 3: I haven't been around every team, but I would say

841
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 3: that the understanding of how to play the pick a

842
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: roll isn't as good as used to be. And then

843
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: like I said, this is easy, I think to switch

844
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 3: and then trying to figure out the match up from

845
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 3: that point on.

846
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, like we don't mean, I don't even see the

847
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,479
Speaker 4: coach asking them to do that no more, that's would

848
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 4: be crazy to me. We used to get pinched taking

849
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 4: out the game, like you didn't go you switched at

850
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 4: the nah. Like now it's just like like you say,

851
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 4: that's that's just the new school.

852
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, back to that championship team. Just talk about the

853
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: keys of everything. I know it was the Big three,

854
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: it was you, but just talk about how the Tony

855
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: Yallen is, the James and the Eddie Houses and the

856
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: Sam Counsel, the PJ.

857
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: Browns added on to what y'all had going on.

858
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 3: They made it work. It wentn't added on, They made

859
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 3: it work. And that's why I said. Doc always preached

860
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 3: to us it takes all fifteen guys, even the guys

861
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 3: ain't playing the guys like I said that we need

862
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 3: you to be great at dumb yo and practice and skeleton.

863
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 3: You know, we need you all to be great and

864
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 3: challenge those guys. It's from the first to take units.

865
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: So it's like he always played a part and he

866
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 3: always empowered everyone. It wasn't just the big three and

867
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 3: we all over here in the corner sitting looking crazy.

868
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 3: It was like I said, he always included us all.

869
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 3: And what I loved about that particular team as well,

870
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 3: it was always about family. Yeah, and we went to

871
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 3: LA They charted a jet for our whole family, took

872
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 3: him out there. So it was like that it was

873
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 3: a class organization and it made us all feel comfortable

874
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 3: and we all felt as one. Like I said, our

875
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 3: family rooms was jumping, you know, all the wives together.

876
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 2: Girlfriend.

877
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 3: It was just like it's a good time. And like

878
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 3: I said, we a lot of us had kids around

879
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 3: the same age and today, so it was just a

880
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: great time to be in that organization. But I said,

881
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,959
Speaker 3: something that you don't take for granted. Obviously my first

882
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 3: couple of years when I got there, that's felt like

883
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 3: kind of like all I knew once they hit that

884
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 3: switch the second year. But being appreciative, it's like a

885
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 3: now fast forward being around Dock. You know, I think

886
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 3: he's doing the same thing with the books as far

887
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: as how he's handling it. Twenty four twenty five years later,

888
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: he's doing the job, and I think I might be

889
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 3: the San cansel t lou.

890
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: Straight up, straight up, Like, but you seen Boston, you know,

891
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: when you got after, they wasn't in championship mode.

892
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: But then you've seen the city change.

893
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: You know, it was it was it was nothing but

894
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: the Patriots, you know what I'm saying, But then you

895
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: kind of seen like how the city change. How was

896
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: that To just see the atmosphere of the city change,

897
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: for y'all.

898
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 3: It was unbelievable. At that particular time, like I said,

899
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 3: every every major sports team was winning, said the Bruins,

900
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 3: I mean the Red Sox. So it was like and

901
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 3: I said it still there's a day called title town.

902
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 3: And to be in that era where everything is flowing,

903
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 3: you know, the city's on fire. I mean I said,

904
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 3: you're not going out paying for anything at restaurants fans unbelievable.

905
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 2: That's fire.

906
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 3: And like I said, this is something because for us

907
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 3: when we won, think about said the fans had one

908
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 3: is eighty six, so you know they were dying and

909
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: it was what it was crazy and very humbling. Is

910
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 3: that when I used to see fans still to this

911
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 3: day they tell you thank you.

912
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

913
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 3: It's not like a congratulations or what's up, champ. They

914
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 3: like they really appreciate and value that. You know, you

915
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: bring a championship to the city and now looking forward

916
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 3: to having another one so so recently. Uh, it's a

917
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 3: great place to win a championship and you will forever

918
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 3: be you know, remember.

919
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: How was it when you made the first All Star Game?

920
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 3: Man, I was eat because you know, I felt like

921
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: I got robbed the year before. So like for me,

922
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 3: it was you know I had that ship again, like

923
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 3: you know, I should have made it, but I didn't.

924
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 3: And then, like I said, they always my bigger Always.

925
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 3: I was like, man, you always get robbed the Perston

926
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: and I'm like, okay, well I ain't trying to hear that,

927
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 3: but okay, cool. So when I did finally make it

928
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 3: and then being able to make it with you know,

929
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 3: the big three again, they walked me through it. You know,

930
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 3: being on the k KG University a couple of times,

931
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 3: I didn't show up to a couple of them events

932
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: events you had to do get fine from the league.

933
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 3: But other than that, like I said, it was, it was.

934
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: It was a great moment, like I said, for the

935
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: family to come in. That's the first time I actually

936
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 3: had to order some jets because it was a snowstorm

937
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 3: and my mama picked it out. So I'm like, damn,

938
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 3: I go, I'm flying. I'm flying private the first time

939
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 3: and I ain't even own it. So I had to

940
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 3: pass that bill. But like I said, obviously anything, how was.

941
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: That you on the you on the twenty first pick

942
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: contract and you got to you gotta rid that.

943
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 3: If I check it's gone now also check gone gone.

944
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, I gotta do some sign

945
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 4: Give me a couple of car ideas over here real quick, right, a.

946
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 3: Couple more princes at all star stop getting you know.

947
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 3: So that was adult moment. Like I said, for me

948
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 3: and my family, what I've worked hard so hard for

949
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 3: is one of those individual complishents that you try to attain,

950
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 3: and I was able to check that off the list.

951
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: Take us in the process of what you're thinking and

952
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: what you're you're seeing. When you first walk in that

953
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: locker room, I know you got three teammates in there,

954
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: but now you see d Wade jersey, you see lebron jersey,

955
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: you amongst the twenty four that's the best in the league.

956
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 1: And now you see your family name on the back

957
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 1: of a jersey hanging up in the locker.

958
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 3: Mama made it like you supposed to be, Like okay,

959
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 3: like this is where I'm supposed to be. And again,

960
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 3: it just being around that type of presence, it just

961
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 3: makes you, you know, even hunger, you know, Okay, cool,

962
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 3: And now for me it's like, okay, I can't get complacent.

963
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 3: I got to come back again again. I gotta get

964
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 3: a couple of these stars on I love too, Like

965
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: I said, seeing all everybody like said, KG and fifteen start.

966
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 2: On the back.

967
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 3: I got all the start, okay, So it's not just

968
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 3: about getting in now, you got to get in and

969
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 3: stay in. So it's yeah, that was motivating as well,

970
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 3: just to be around the guys. Like I said, I

971
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 3: want to say, I'm trying to think if a I

972
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 3: was in there, I think I might have been in there.

973
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 3: Like I said, he was a guy that if anybody

974
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: else I was, you know, looked up to or play

975
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: the game again because I could relate because he was

976
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 3: a small guard. It was Ai. But like I said,

977
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 3: we didn't I didn't watch no NBA games ever growing up.

978
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 3: People you know you watch Jordan, Like Nah, I was

979
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 3: outside and I'm a sports team grow I'm from you know,

980
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: it's a brick town.

981
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 2: So that's when you're from the hood. You don't really

982
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: got all that list.

983
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: They playing on NBC and that was only on weekend,

984
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: all right, so they don't understand that y'all. Second year

985
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: you lose KG, but y'all make a deep run to

986
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 1: the conference finals.

987
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: What was that like?

988
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: Did that feel like a wasted opportunity that y'all had?

989
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 3: No? I think you know everything happens in life for

990
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 3: a reason, and I think we grew. I think I

991
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 3: grew individually that you you're not having Kevin Nowt, but

992
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 3: he was obviously there on the bench with us. So

993
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 3: it made us all step up and elevate our game.

994
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 3: And for me being able to find ways to make

995
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 3: Scalabrini the mand you know, being able to play pick

996
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 3: and pop with Scout. He was doing ghot screens before

997
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 3: ghost swims. He was having so like just having synergy

998
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 3: and finding out, Okay, how can I master and make him,

999
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 3: you know, import him to be you know, big Babies

1000
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 3: or Leon Pole. So it's like the other guys, you know,

1001
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: like say the next man up mentality, we had to

1002
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 3: step up. And again we nobody was all KG, but

1003
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 3: we can all do KG like things and have that

1004
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 3: tsype of synergy on the core of the energy being

1005
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: the first to help your teammate up, you know when

1006
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 3: he goes down, always talking defensively, so we can all

1007
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 3: take a little part of what he does for our

1008
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 3: team and we all bring it together. You know. We

1009
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 3: were trying to do the best we could and then

1010
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 3: we just ran to I think Orlando and the White Turcule,

1011
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 3: little Rishot Stretchfold, Jimmy Nelson. It was a tough battle

1012
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 3: Y had and.

1013
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: Boys, we would have had three finals in the row

1014
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: with the Celtics in the Lakers if ticket when they

1015
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: got hurt.

1016
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: Historic loving crazy.

1017
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 4: Hey, I want to talk to you about when you

1018
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 4: got to the third All Star selection.

1019
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 2: But you had toiyo acl you had to.

1020
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 4: Miss the fourth and my last one, the fourth fourth one,

1021
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 4: fourth one. And I know this is what D liked

1022
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 4: to talk about because he, you know, he had the

1023
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 4: knee injury. Just talk about like how tough that is

1024
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 4: to do all that you need to do to get back.

1025
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: From that knee injury.

1026
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 4: And then how how tough it is that you missing,

1027
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 4: Like you said, you was trying to get all your

1028
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 4: stars up there and this is one that you actually

1029
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 4: earned and you got to miss it due to injury.

1030
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 2: How does that feel?

1031
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 3: And that was that was that was heartbreaking. And I

1032
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 3: think I might have told the story before, but for me,

1033
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 3: I was having such a good time in my summer

1034
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: times that particular year. I kept talking about the summer.

1035
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 3: I kept talking about, you know, four five months from now,

1036
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 3: and I think I wish time away. And the man

1037
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: above h you realize, Okay, sit your ass down with

1038
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: this a cl and now you get your summer. On

1039
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 3: top of my first time being a starter really fucked

1040
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 3: me up.

1041
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: Man.

1042
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, I get I'm about to go to

1043
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 3: I think it was Houston. I go to Houston. I'm

1044
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 3: a starter now, the fans voted me in, so it's

1045
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 3: my first time. I'm ready to go crack. And the

1046
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 3: ACL injury happened. So that was the most humbling probably

1047
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 3: thing of my career. I go to have the surgery procedure,

1048
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 3: so I didn't want to let Boston do it because

1049
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: I don't want to use a cadaver method. So I

1050
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 3: went and got down to doctor James Andrews, down to Pensacola, Florida.

1051
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 3: Team that want me to do that. I was like, man,

1052
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 3: fuck it, this is my body. I'm gonna do what's

1053
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 3: best for me. I'm gonna shoot the Florida doctor Andrews

1054
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: did my research. I went to about six seven doctors

1055
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,479
Speaker 3: and for me and Boston, it was cold to sales.

1056
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: I don't want to do my rehab trying to get

1057
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 3: through crutches on the ice and brick of ices outside.

1058
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 3: So I went to Pensacola, Florida, spent like five six

1059
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 3: months down there and try to rehab go through it.

1060
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: Like I said, I'm going through it. I'm I'm isolated.

1061
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: I got my family, I'm isolated. You know, I'm playing

1062
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 3: mind games with myself. Do I even want to play

1063
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 3: this game anymore? I'm like calling my my financial guy, like, man,

1064
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 3: I got enough money to chill. They're like, nah, I said,

1065
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 3: let me keep go back figure it out. So you know,

1066
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 3: I said I had to. I had to go on mind.

1067
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 3: And for me, it was the toughest time in my

1068
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 3: career because coming back at the point guard position, I

1069
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 3: had a big ass knee brace. Somebody need coming back? Yeah,

1070
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 3: I remember that fifteen months. I'm like, to be a

1071
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 3: big is one thing with knee brains on, but to

1072
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 3: be a guard trying to get through a pick or

1073
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 3: being isolated up top, and for me, I would think

1074
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 3: I got a guard in front of me with his

1075
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 3: big ass brace, I'm at him. So just having to

1076
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 3: get over that obs gon to hurtle. And then also

1077
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 3: it was you know, it's like I forgot what percentage

1078
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: it is like when you tear one a cl you're

1079
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 3: susceptible to turn the other one. So that's playing in

1080
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 3: the back of my mind. I'm like, damn, I don't

1081
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 3: even want to go through this again. Like it was

1082
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 3: tough learning how to learn how to walk, can't get

1083
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 3: up and use the bathroom by yourself, like it was

1084
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 3: it was tough going through the first.

1085
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 2: Mental mind game, mental mind game.

1086
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 3: Then your other people coming back in six months or

1087
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 3: eight months, and I'm like, what's wrong with me? You know,

1088
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 3: it's like, so everybody's you know, situation and recoveries are different.

1089
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

1090
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: When you started being like, how did it feel when

1091
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: your peers started to recognize you? You know, you come in,

1092
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: everybody recognized KG and Paul and Ray, but the piers

1093
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: started to refect you. Not only do your peious respect

1094
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: you and inspect your game and what you bring to

1095
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: the table.

1096
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: But then the fan base.

1097
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: Your jersey is selling like third in the world, only

1098
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: Kobe and Lebron is selling more jerseys than you.

1099
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: You're selling more jerseys than the guys. That's different. Everybody

1100
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: wearing that number nine, you know.

1101
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 3: That was that was some of the best obviously memories

1102
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 3: and times of my life. And they still this day.

1103
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 3: Like I said, it's such a humbling thing to go

1104
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 3: through in life. I said, even like doing a podcast

1105
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 3: with all the ogs and how they feel, like we're

1106
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 3: able to tell each other how we feel now in

1107
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 3: the sense I'm.

1108
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 2: Not definitely do because I want to tell you ship

1109
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 2: how up?

1110
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 3: Yeah hearing that, Like I said, guys welcoming and telling

1111
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 3: me how you know the true feelings about the game

1112
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: and how they appreciate it and respect for it. So

1113
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 3: to this day, that's the most humble thing that you

1114
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 3: can get in the game of sports. And people always like,

1115
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 3: what you know this?

1116
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: Are you gonna do?

1117
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 3: You carve out like I don't.

1118
00:44:58,600 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: You know.

1119
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 3: The Hall of Fame is what it is, but it's

1120
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 3: not about that. For me. It's about being able to

1121
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 3: take care of my family first now how my mom work,

1122
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 3: And then like I said, having the guys that you

1123
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 3: played the game with respect and be able to pick

1124
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 3: up the phone and talk to and call and it

1125
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 3: shore those stories because like what it was about the

1126
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 3: brotherhood and having that respect from your peers is no

1127
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 3: greater feeling.

1128
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 4: Straight up, Did you ever, ever, ever, ever ever think

1129
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 4: you would signed with the Lakers?

1130
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: Never ever? But you know what I wanted to do

1131
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 3: though once I got once I left Boston because at first,

1132
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 3: you know, I want you want to play one franchise

1133
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 3: for twenty.

1134
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: Years, It's like forever.

1135
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I'm thankful that I didn't because again, now

1136
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 3: I get to live different cities, and that it got

1137
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 3: to a point where I was like, you know what,

1138
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 3: I want to get paid to play in these cities.

1139
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 3: The only place I didn't do it was New York,

1140
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 3: but the Chicago check that off. The LA's like the

1141
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 3: big cities. I wanted to live in and play and

1142
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 3: get paid. Yeah. Yeah, I had the time. Man, I

1143
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 3: can't I can't complain. I loved every minute of it

1144
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 3: I was in. I remember I went to Atlanta and

1145
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 3: I hated Atlanta and I had an opportunity to get

1146
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 3: traded to the Clippers for Lou. I was like, please

1147
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: and thank you.

1148
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: So I was.

1149
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 3: They got married. I'm so bad as I went back

1150
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 3: to LA Like I said this, they would live, you know,

1151
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: the kind of life that I want to live at

1152
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 3: that particular time my career, you know what I mean,

1153
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 3: go to work every day with some T shirt and

1154
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 3: choice on versus when I first started in Boston, I'm

1155
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 3: waking up with thermos. Got to start the car for

1156
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 3: ten minutes. So it was in go through that part

1157
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: of my career.

1158
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 2: This is a two part question.

1159
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: I feel like this guy don't get the respect he

1160
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: deserves and how good he was, and I'm talking about

1161
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: Bully Cousins.

1162
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 2: He's one of my favorite players.

1163
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: I felt that if y'all would have got a chance

1164
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: to be in the playoffs when y'all was in New Orleans,

1165
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: y'all would have beat Golden State, and it would have

1166
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: been the problem because how him and Ad was playing

1167
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: with each other thirties a night and you with twenty assists.

1168
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: It's just a bad combination. But Buogie wound up getting hurt.

1169
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 3: The same way. So it's crazy. The first time he

1170
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 3: started as an All Star was that year four What

1171
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 3: time and I all start towards Achilles out same So

1172
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 3: I feel like I said, and I feel like the

1173
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 3: man above, don't do nothing, you know, in coincidental but yeah,

1174
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 3: with the same my same path, you know what I mean.

1175
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 3: So it's just I feel like I was like, man,

1176
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 3: this's is this way of telling you something, like you

1177
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 3: got to listen to the big picture. I understand what's

1178
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 3: going on here. It happened the same way for me.

1179
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 3: So it's only right. I'm in the same I'm on

1180
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 3: your team now and the same thing happens to you.

1181
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: So I hurt.

1182
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: I was hurt when I seen that because I felt

1183
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: I felt y'all was finna be a matchup problem for

1184
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: everybody and it was nothing that they can do about

1185
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: it like that at all.

1186
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 3: For me to answer your question, D, the first one

1187
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 3: is I was fortunate to play with cousin Sacramento my

1188
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 3: first year when I came out in Dallas, and to

1189
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 3: watch him every like again, I watched him. I watched myself,

1190
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 3: then I watch it back to study the grace that

1191
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 3: I play with, and for me to watch him the

1192
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 3: second time, watching film on him every night. But it

1193
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 3: was a joy to watch the ship he would do.

1194
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 3: He would get away with the moves he would make

1195
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 3: at his size and ability the past, he would make elbows,

1196
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 3: he might throw after.

1197
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 2: Best players, on the best players in the league.

1198
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 3: Every night I got to watch him, so I'm like,

1199
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: this motherfucker is one of the best players I've ever

1200
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 3: played with. I played with KG, but he was you know,

1201
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 3: he was already in his thirties, you know, yeah, which

1202
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 3: not you know too old. But at the same time

1203
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 3: I got a young cousin. I'm like, this motherfucker is

1204
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 3: one of the best skilled players I've ever played with. Yeah,

1205
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: he's and he was like, you know, he was like

1206
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 3: my little brother.

1207
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: So for me, asshole, he don't give a fuck.

1208
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 3: He gets all your head off. Yeah, I feel like

1209
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 3: for me to have that in my arsenal like to

1210
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 3: play with him, Like, but I can win with this guy.

1211
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 3: I didn't work out so coming up. But fast forward

1212
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 3: New Orleans. When I got him that time, you know,

1213
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 3: it was even more respect for both of us and

1214
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 3: for me to have cousin a d Andrew. I don't

1215
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 3: forget to talk about Drew Holliday now, boy, Drew Holiday,

1216
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 3: he's the one. So to have them three and for me,

1217
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 3: it wasn't so much about me playing as much as

1218
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 3: far as me kind of helping Gentry coach these guys

1219
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 3: and being able to the game again.

1220
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 2: So I come on, guys, I mean.

1221
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 4: I got man, I got to you know, I don't

1222
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 4: want to call I can't say that's not man.

1223
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: No, Look, he knows he got somebody could do it.

1224
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 4: He gonna let you do it now, Like listen, that's

1225
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 4: what made Look, we had him as a head coach

1226
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 4: when we was with the Clippers as young boys. He

1227
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 4: wasn't ready yet when he left, and he left and

1228
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 4: got with D'Ann Tony and then he left. Look, I

1229
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 4: was over there when he was our assistant and that

1230
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 4: with D'Ann Tony. I'm looking at her. I'm like, man,

1231
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 4: when the hell coach did you get this cool? Was

1232
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 4: the coolest person on the planet.

1233
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 3: I messed with a g man. But back to finish

1234
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 3: that question, thee At first, I said, Cousin eighty were

1235
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 3: both trying to score fifty. Yeah, And I'm like, cuz,

1236
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 3: hold on, man, look you can go get twenty ten

1237
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 3: and ten. Let ady get the fifties. You destroyed the

1238
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 3: game in a different way, and then Drew, you do

1239
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 3: your thing on the other end. So it's like Drew did,

1240
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 3: and really he was low man, he didn't need the ball.

1241
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 3: But Cousin eighty. At first, they were both trying to

1242
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 3: both score fifty, and it really been working out every

1243
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 3: other night, yeah, but we weren't really winning consistently. But

1244
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, cause now let's let's approach the game differently.

1245
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 3: You have to get twenty five, you know, fifteen and

1246
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 3: ten versus trying to get fifty, He get fifty. Dlo.

1247
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 3: The synergy's off in the locker room. So once he

1248
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 3: took that roll back, that's when he I think he

1249
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 3: rolled off a bat three or four Tripe Do was

1250
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 3: in the row and Dan boom, he turned his acl

1251
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 3: he turns his Achille. So he was really figuring out

1252
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 3: how to master the game himself, because again I wasn't

1253
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 3: playing much that particular time when they all three were healthy,

1254
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 3: because like I said, I needed the ball. He needed

1255
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: a ball, He needed a ball. So it didn't work out,

1256
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 3: and I was the least of the talent of everybody

1257
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 3: in the sense. So they got the rock. And then

1258
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 3: once Cuz towards acl of Achilles, that's when Ginger was like,

1259
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 3: here go to keys. Now I got Niko. Wee went

1260
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 3: and got Nico marriage I got a d Darius Miller,

1261
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 3: e Troe Moore. So I said, again, I mean, you

1262
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 3: get all these shooters around me with a guy like

1263
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 3: ad b Tech in the rim, we can make some noise.

1264
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 3: And again, but you my point is, if we would

1265
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 3: have got cousin that Golden State series, he would have

1266
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 3: took Draymond out and that was their guy, you know.

1267
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 3: I mean, like I said, I told the struck before

1268
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 3: I would have had Cuz about him off. The first

1269
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 3: play of the game, Boom set the tone. Yeah, so

1270
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 3: with that in mind, we take that Bully out. We

1271
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 3: ain't worry about the mother. Then the screens ain't being said.

1272
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 3: It's hard now now we running through the screens because

1273
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 3: our big guy us at the tone. So for you know,

1274
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 3: us eighty didn't didn't wasn't the style of play, and

1275
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 3: they ended up smoking us for one, but we did

1276
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 3: get win off.

1277
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man, I was excited for that team. Man.

1278
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: It hurt my heart, man, seeing Bully getting hurt that year.

1279
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: I was so excited because I felt like it was

1280
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: gonna be an upset because it's no way any team

1281
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: could match up with y'all and your big man shoot

1282
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: threes and jump.

1283
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 2: But it was like it didn't really matter without him.

1284
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, each series is different, and

1285
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 3: we definitely would have needed cousin that particular one.

1286
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 4: So exactly exactly were you aware that when you when

1287
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 4: y'all won that chip in LA, that you had the

1288
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 4: most assist off the bench ever.

1289
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 3: I heard something about Genoba or something. But it was crazy.

1290
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 4: You had one hundred and five assists in that twenty

1291
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 4: twenty playoffs. That's the most ever by bench player. Okay,

1292
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 4: and this was a team that you weren't supposed to

1293
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 4: play that much. Are you supposed to be like mentoring

1294
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 4: Linzo or whatever?

1295
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 2: Right?

1296
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 3: No, no, no, he wasn't there. It was Gold that's

1297
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 3: when I had a Caruso. But Brown was at the

1298
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,439
Speaker 3: point of that year. That's why it's funny that this happened.

1299
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 3: The trade this happened, and Perk mentioned that me and

1300
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 3: Brown were able to co exist. But again I came

1301
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 3: off the bench because again we both balled dominant. We

1302
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 3: need the ball. And I didn't play in Game five.

1303
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 3: If you remember the fourth quarter, I didn't play and

1304
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 3: we lost Game five of the heat and I was pissed,

1305
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 3: and I'm like, man, motherfuckers don't believe in me to

1306
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 3: play the close the game, like you know what I mean.

1307
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 3: So again I go back to the room at night,

1308
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 3: I don't sleep. I'm really upset. I'm trying to play

1309
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 3: it over my head and then I'm trying to go

1310
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 3: to a different mode to well, okay, cool, if I

1311
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 3: do get this opportunity because the was gonna have to give.

1312
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 2: It to me.

1313
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make some work. And then I ended up

1314
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 3: obviously having nineteen game six. But like I said, that

1315
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 3: was people forget like I didn't play in a fourth

1316
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 3: quarter and I felt a real big type of way

1317
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 3: because again it was only me and Brown. I think

1318
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 3: that Ben in the finals at that time. Yeah, you know,

1319
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 3: I meant I've been in it with you. Brown looked

1320
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 3: at me like what we're doing. I'm like, you tell

1321
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 3: me what we're doing. I need to before. So that's

1322
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 3: you know, that's that was a dope story. And being

1323
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 3: able to win that particular year again, I said, I

1324
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 3: told my son was in the bubble with me, him

1325
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 3: being able to witness go to practice every day, go

1326
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 3: this piano lessons and still go have fun with me.

1327
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 3: Trained with a lot of the other kids on the team.

1328
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 3: It was fun. Coach shout out to coach field Handy.

1329
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 3: He was training all about four or five six of

1330
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 3: my boys, Like that was the experience for them too.

1331
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 2: That's pretty dope.

1332
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: Tell us now, you know, I see your boy out there,

1333
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: he hooping now and you holding the camera.

1334
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: I'm starting to see you at the game, holding the camera,

1335
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 2: make sure you're catching the footage.

1336
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: How is that for you to see your son out

1337
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: there hooping and seeing the I Q on him like

1338
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: he's knowing the game now, he's he's working.

1339
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 2: His way on up.

1340
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 3: It's dope to a big part of to be here.

1341
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 3: Like I said, I was at this game last night,

1342
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 3: and I don't I try to skepule everything around his

1343
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 3: game so I don't miss and when I mess, I'll

1344
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 3: be feeling bad. But as me, but I love to

1345
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 3: be there for him. You know, as a father, we

1346
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 3: all know you want to give your kids answer to

1347
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 3: the tests. Yeah, he wants to play the game. And

1348
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 3: for me, he's a sponge right now. I know I

1349
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 3: wasn't watching him like he does at the age hears. Now,

1350
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 3: what's crazy is he? The other day he didn't have

1351
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 3: a good game, and I let him wait two days.

1352
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 3: I'm like, you still watch him so we have a

1353
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 3: good game. He grabb an appad before we get in the car.

1354
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to see it right away. I got

1355
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: to see them moves.

1356
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 3: I was looking lay it on Friday is Sunday, like

1357
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 3: we got to go ahead and watch it. Let's figure

1358
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 3: out even though you don't like it, you might have

1359
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 3: had this. Let's figure out what we do to get better.

1360
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 3: It's part of the game. Like you got, you gotta watch.

1361
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 2: I like that. That's dope.

1362
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, So for him to grow through it, and like

1363
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 3: I said, and understanding he has. You know, he feels

1364
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 3: the pressure to own him in the sense. But I'm like, bro,

1365
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 3: this you thirteen man, no pressure on you. You ain't

1366
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 3: got to make it to the league. You just got

1367
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 3: to know how to count this money. Other than that,

1368
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 3: you know, manage your money correctly in Scott's limits. So

1369
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 3: if you want to play, we'll do that. Tell him

1370
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 3: what it takes to work. We got a dope program.

1371
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 3: I've been started the last couple year since I've been retired.

1372
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 3: That's why I got to had on a Rhindo Elite.

1373
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 3: Shout out to my program class of twenty nine, thirty

1374
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 3: and thirty one, so sixth seventh, eighth grade, and obviously

1375
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 3: he's in the seventh. So yes, I got a great

1376
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 3: older than younger than them. So again we can play

1377
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 3: as a good competition and get out on his road

1378
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 3: and play against some of the best in the world

1379
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 3: and see where we are.

1380
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 2: Where we're laying, So are you officially with the Bucks now?

1381
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 4: Like I mean, I know you coach Ryan, though, are

1382
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 4: you officially got into it?

1383
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 3: I'm not officiently. I ain't under contract anything like it.

1384
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 3: Like I said, I that came to my wedding this

1385
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 3: summer put me in a headlock, told me to get

1386
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 3: out of you know here I am, like I said,

1387
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 3: this is trying to just learn. I love what I'm doing.

1388
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 3: Like I said, I get to go into the coaches

1389
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 3: meeting pick their brain. All I do is going and

1390
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 3: ask questions. Yeah, and then like I said, while studying

1391
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 3: the film, I got access to a lot of things

1392
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 3: within the team. But like I said, I'm just trying

1393
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 3: to be asponge as much as I can and learn

1394
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 3: as much as possible and flying to the radar. So

1395
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,240
Speaker 3: I said, it's not takes a strong staff. I believe

1396
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 3: a loud person like me to come in in and out.

1397
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not there consistently, but to come in

1398
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:57,919
Speaker 3: have a voice in the meetings. But like I said,

1399
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 3: I have great dialogue, great debate, and then try to

1400
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 3: figure out solutions for the team.

1401
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 2: That's a dope situation.

1402
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 4: Shout out to Doc for you know, extending that to

1403
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 4: you and pulling you in and you know, letting you grow.

1404
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 4: So that's dope, man, that's dope. Give you your knowledge

1405
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 4: and I'm giving it right back to my team. That's

1406
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 4: how I look at them up straight up, practice.

1407
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 2: Start bench, trade assisted, This the best assisted this. You

1408
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 2: gotta start one. You gotta bench one, trade one.

1409
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Magic Johnson.

1410
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to trade my man, Steve Man.

1411
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: Steve you on the strip, who you start?

1412
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna start Magic.

1413
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 2: I knew that was coming. Bench.

1414
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 3: You gotta bring you all the bench ye okay, okay,

1415
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 3: uh you.

1416
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: Gotta be able to play both you got You got

1417
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: some choices to make on this one. Out of all

1418
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 1: the teammates you play with in the n b A,

1419
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: if you had to create a starting five with you

1420
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: at point guard, who is the other four players that

1421
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: you will create your ultimate five?

1422
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 2: This is crazy.

1423
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 3: You can't do me like that.

1424
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 2: It's gonna be one of the best ones. I gotta hear.

1425
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 3: What of my teammates is everybody in Prime?

1426
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,959
Speaker 2: Everybody dot matter when you played with them? Prime with them.

1427
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 3: Prime five, Get two teams and play with everybody.

1428
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 5: Five.

1429
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 3: I might have to I gotta go with shack, the

1430
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 3: shack at the five, shock at the five. Oh, it

1431
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 3: depends on what we're talking about modern day or we're talking.

1432
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 2: About we talked about that at their best modern day.

1433
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 3: I might have to go Dirk at the five kg

1434
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 3: at the four, stretch the floor.

1435
00:57:52,440 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 5: H damn, I guess, damn, I forgot he had Dirk dirt.

1436
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,959
Speaker 3: What what you want me to do? Uh?

1437
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 2: And Jo damn his fine his side fire. I think

1438
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: think with Li with the twos and threes.

1439
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 3: Two of the threes, I mean Drew Holliday might be

1440
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 3: my two. Okay, the lockdown Drew Holiday, Ray Allen, I

1441
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 3: don't depends on what I need. I can't.

1442
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 2: Brian and Paul Pras at the three.

1443
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 4: Brian, damn, oh.

1444
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 2: You had the white too, like you had the white

1445
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:58,479
Speaker 2: Yo wow, group of teammates like you're gonna go big?

1446
00:58:58,560 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 2: What you're gonna do.

1447
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 3: I'm get a small line of let's go small line first.

1448
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna my stretch. I'm gonna get ninety five assistants game.

1449
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go me Ray Allen, Dirk at the five,

1450
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 3: Kevin at the four, and p at the three. Okay, Okay,

1451
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 3: big lineup. I'm gonna go me at the one, Brin

1452
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 3: at the two, uh shock, at the five, Uh damn man,

1453
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 3: the white Man bad because at the foe eighty at

1454
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:31,959
Speaker 3: the three.

1455
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: Oh god, Yeah, that's that's that's it right there.

1456
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 3: Like I'm leaving still some people out.

1457
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 4: I mean, he might have the craziest group of like

1458
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 4: superstar teammates out of any one player we didn't have

1459
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 4: so far, like the like.

1460
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 3: I played with the whole league and I'm crazy you

1461
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 3: had d Wade in Chicago. There had d Wade in Chicago.

1462
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 4: That's it's crazy, that is insane. He definitely got to

1463
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 4: check the records. Ain't nobody had more Superstar Hall of

1464
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 4: Famers and all that shit than him.

1465
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: Right now, we just.

1466
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: What do you think you played in the era where

1467
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: they played hard at the All Star Game. They're trying

1468
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: to figure out all these ways to get guys to

1469
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: play hard at All Star Game to the point where

1470
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: they don't picked, they don't split it up to four teams.

1471
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 3: I understand.

1472
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: What do you think about the current state of the

1473
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: All Star Game?

1474
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 3: Obviously said at All Time low, I believe. I mean,

1475
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 3: I think it's some of the city's got to be better,

1476
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 3: keep it a buck man, Like, can't have an all

1477
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 3: side game and code ass Indianapolis. Who's gonna pull up

1478
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 3: to that? Like nobody really doesn't have to be there,

1479
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 3: don't want to be there. So it's like, why do

1480
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 3: I go to Annapolis? All we can just say I'm

1481
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 3: an allSome weekend, So not to kill all these other cities,

1482
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 3: but it's like, Wow, while we having Cleveland and it

1483
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 3: is time of the year, It's like February needs to

1484
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 3: be somewhere warm, needs to be somewhere where celebrities, people

1485
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 3: want to go. You can be outside, you don't have

1486
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 3: to be tucked in the room somewhere with both up

1487
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 3: also weekend. So for me, I think the climbate need

1488
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 3: the place needs to change for one, and then the

1489
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 3: game aspect, I think it starts with the leaders man.

1490
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 3: Like I said, I think we was. It was. I'm

1491
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 3: sure they getting bread still now, but like I said,

1492
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 3: we was compete for the bread. It was competing to

1493
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 3: talk ship. I mean we compete it.

1494
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 4: So they're getting too much bread to get out.

1495
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 3: There just two three two fifty ain't that now I'm competing.

1496
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 3: We need to get it and not to.

1497
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 2: Have it about were about the bump. That's just what

1498
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 2: it should be.

1499
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 3: I think if I think if people talk more ship

1500
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 3: or people were more competitive versus everybody being cool, it

1501
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 3: would be a lot better. But now everybody, you know,

1502
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 3: everybody you know doing the same thing here.

1503
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: So and we gotta I gotta ask you, you know,

1504
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: gott to ask you about this super trade that just happened.

1505
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: You got a d is in it. You're former team,

1506
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: the Lakers in it.

1507
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 2: Just your thoughts on old team Dallas too.

1508
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what's your thoughts on just everything that's going on.

1509
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: Do you think it was a good trade? Do you

1510
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: think it was an even trade? Like, what's your thought?

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01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 3: Obviously, I think it's the obvious. I think it was

1512
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 3: a bold ass trade. But I've been traded. Guy has

1513
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,919
Speaker 3: been traded many times. It's part of the business, whether

1514
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 3: you see it coming or not. It could be ego

1515
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 3: check for guys saying though you know, I thought I

1516
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 3: was untouchable or this, that and the third. But it's

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01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 3: just part of the game and you got to move

1518
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 3: and adjusting adapt you know, nobody's gonna feel sorry for anybody.

1519
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 3: Were getting too much money for that type of nonsense.

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01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 3: Whether it's untouchable. Yeah, nobody's in touchable. And I think

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01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 3: both teams will benefit from it, I believe, you know,

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01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 3: I think Ad and Kyrie pick and roll outside of

1523
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 3: Daran Fox and the big Kelly Baby who's got a

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01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 3: better dynamic pick and roll do too, So they're gonna

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01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 3: be They're gonna be dynamic and stick together. You get

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01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 3: a guy like Kyrie that's motivated, guy like Ad that's motivated.

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01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 3: You mix that type of chemistry in with understanding, okay,

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01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 3: what we just did to get to the conference fans

1529
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 3: or the finals, what we have to do get over

1530
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 3: the hump. And obviously Nico made a judgment call to

1531
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 3: where he feels that if we get to the finals again,

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01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 3: we're going to be able to get stops. And what

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01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 3: better big in the league right now that has that

1534
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 3: availability than Anthony Davis. So for me, I think I

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01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 3: don't think it's as bad as trade people think they're

1536
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 3: going to be. And with Luca Lebron, dynamic, both with

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01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 3: great minds. Both will figure it out. I don't see

1538
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 3: a problem with it being at all. Whether you know,

1539
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 3: people say, and again Luca's going to be motivated, you know,

1540
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 3: people say, I don't play defense or people say he

1541
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 3: can't do this. He has a chip on the show.

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01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 3: I'm sure even more so now to prove to prove

1543
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 3: a point. And if he wasn't motivated already dropping you know,

1544
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 3: thirty ten and ten, whatever you're dropping, I'm sure now

1545
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 3: he's gonna get to the money and then obviously understand

1546
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,959
Speaker 3: how to sacrifice with a guy like Lebron and vice versas.

1547
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 3: Lebron has to understand, you know, and he does. I'm

1548
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 3: sure the great of a player he's playing with, how

1549
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 3: he's gonna make the game easier for him because when

1550
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 3: I play le Bron the position, like I said, when

1551
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 3: we got there, I was able to use him as

1552
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 3: a pick and roll player and to give him the

1553
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 3: ball going downhill versus you know, put Brin in pocket

1554
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 3: like a Draymond Green. He's gonna make it, you know,

1555
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 3: I mean, nine times out of nine, he's gonna make

1556
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 3: the right decision.

1557
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 2: Sense.

1558
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 3: So he's a great player, and I think they're both,

1559
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 3: you know, those guys to figure out both organizations to

1560
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 3: be fine. Uh. It's a big shock for the NBA

1561
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 3: world and fans, But at the end of the day,

1562
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 3: I think both teams were pretty good.

1563
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 4: Hey, this is what I like to ask, you know,

1564
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 4: I need to ask. Like you said, you come from

1565
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 4: a humble area in Louisville. When you got that good

1566
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 4: pocket book money, you know, not got.

1567
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: That not the first time we got to take care

1568
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: of mom. When you did that, I don't want to

1569
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 1: hear about everybody take care of moms them and you

1570
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: know this and that.

1571
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 4: I won't know what Ron though did for Ron though

1572
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 4: when you first got that bag. You probably look back

1573
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 4: at it now. I wasn't, but like it felt damn

1574
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 4: good when you did. We all did something back what.

1575
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 3: I did before I got the bag though, when I

1576
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 3: because I won a championship, first one got the bag.

1577
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so you showed out right then what did I.

1578
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 3: Went and dropped? I went and dropped some bread on

1579
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 3: a Bentley me and Purple on the rookie contract he

1580
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 3: got the first.

1581
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 2: I was gonna leave us out. Wait, was just straight

1582
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 2: off the show room flooring.

1583
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 3: Out double bag. So yeah that was what?

1584
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 2: What was that? That playoff money I got?

1585
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 3: I didn't even got it, but I'm on the way

1586
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 3: it's all gone.

1587
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1588
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, then I bought a crib in Boston, like you know,

1589
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 3: at that time again, how Luca just got traded out nowhere,

1590
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 3: Like I had just bought a crib and I was like, man,

1591
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 3: that's not really good decision. I'm like, man, I'm gonna

1592
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 3: be here. Man, I felt good obviously looking back, I'm

1593
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 3: thankful I did by whatever. But it was fun times.

1594
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 3: But I bought a crib and I bought that that

1595
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 3: Bentley right away.

1596
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 4: He before we get you out here, give me one

1597
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 4: of your favorite KG stories. Man, everybody got a crazy

1598
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 4: KG story.

1599
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 3: KG story. I mean the ships coming out in that

1600
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 3: the crazy when he split up everybody you see that

1601
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 3: one were in a huddle. He tricks the water and

1602
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 3: he he spits up. I was watching up see in

1603
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 3: my life.

1604
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 2: The triple lace joint hung laid.

1605
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 3: You know, we in hollow doctor d. So it's funny.

1606
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:16,919
Speaker 3: It's on it's on the internet because like you see

1607
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 3: a couple of guys behind the bench, like you know,

1608
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 3: like they looking at him, but ain't nobody gonna say

1609
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 3: nothing to him. He's in his mold man but water

1610
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 3: and I said, he end up spitting up. I'm the

1611
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 3: froot that's from the bench from him. So I'm like, who,

1612
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 3: Like I felt it, but I'm like, wow, like, what

1613
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 3: what do you what's wrong, big fella? What's going on?

1614
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 3: Why are you spitting wild on your teammates right now?

1615
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: Have you ever met anybody intense like ticket? All the

1616
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: teammates you ever had, you never ran in nobody just

1617
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: like how he.

1618
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 3: Is another story. Nope, but nobody. So the first time

1619
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 3: we in layup line, because mind you, he don't come out,

1620
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 3: you know, twenty thirty forty on the clock. He don't

1621
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 3: come out and shoot before the game like his warm up.

1622
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 3: It's during the layup line. We come out for layups.

1623
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 3: So first time we in the left line, boom, you

1624
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 3: run out, you know, doing left line. Next thing you know,

1625
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 3: he runs past me, bunk the shit out of me.

1626
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, the fuck buds look at me or say nothing.

1627
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, and but he in his mind, like I said,

1628
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 3: he's getting game old. He's locked in. He don't even

1629
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 3: I feel like he don't even feel me when he

1630
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 3: just bumped me. So I'm like, all, okay, that's just

1631
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 3: who he is. So again, like I said, he got

1632
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 3: his rookie with him. He gonna make sure rookie if

1633
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 3: he don't run and get the ball, he gonna cuts

1634
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 3: his ass out, but it won't happen too many games.

1635
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 3: Back game too. He's gonna be straight like so rookie

1636
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 3: gotta get in the rebound. He's gonna hit his five spots.

1637
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 3: You know, he's gonna go both elbows corners and do

1638
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 3: his ritual. Do not get in his fucking way. Either

1639
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 3: run your ass over or you're gonna get hit with

1640
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 3: the elbow. He's going through when he's growing up, you

1641
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 3: better be careful. When he's warming up, he gonna run

1642
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 3: your ass over, yo.

1643
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 2: Straight up.

1644
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: Man, we appreciate you, bro, man Like I said, Man,

1645
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: you one of my favorites.

1646
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 2: Man. When I got the opportunity to be around you

1647
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 2: too much.

1648
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 3: Hey, do you remember on the highway when we were

1649
01:07:58,800 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 3: racing you?

1650
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.

1651
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 3: We're not doing this, but listen, I remember you had

1652
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 3: to add sixty five and I had to add sixty three. Yeah,

1653
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 3: damn highway. I said, Oh he got the big boy engine.

1654
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 2: Okay.

1655
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1656
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: If I had the train horn and ticket was coming,

1657
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: I hit her with the trade on.

1658
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1659
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 1: I brought my cards out there, man, them too much,

1660
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 1: was my Hey. I enjoyed them two months out there

1661
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: man poting this man, we all kicking it family environment.

1662
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: They brought me in this family man. I really appreciate

1663
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 1: y'all guys.

1664
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 3: Brot y'all man was it was a good time.

1665
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 4: So, yes, sir man, we appreciate Raigin Rondo, Ladies and gentlemen.

1666
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 2: Ragin Rampion, Ragin Rondo.

1667
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:46,240
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1669
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,679
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01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,000
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01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:07,479
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