1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: This offseason and this spring training has been very different. 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: We've hired a lot of people down below, some really 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: intelligent dudes that know the game. 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: Alie Marmo, the Saint Louis Cardinals skipper, getting all set up. 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 2: I can't wait for him to hear us too. So Kratz, 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: you're gonna do the intro since he's going to hear 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: us soon. But I'd like you to say hi to 8 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 2: him since you're actually sitting right next to him and 9 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 2: you can ask him a question. 10 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 3: You can say all the bad stuff until he can 11 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 3: hear you. And then once he can hear you, see 12 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 3: the ear piecel We got all Now we'll see if 13 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 3: you've been hearing. But Oli Mormal, the hefe the manager St. 14 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: Louis Cardinals. 15 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 3: Also, you don't hear anything yet, Scottie Todd. 16 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, we give him a little test. 17 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 3: You guys here, you got us. You'll hear him yet. 18 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 3: Here we gotta turn her. You gotta turn your your 19 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 3: piece on. There, we'll turn it on. Now, try a 20 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 3: little Scotty too hoty. 21 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: Hey, Hey, all right, that's good, okay, okay, really good 22 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: to see you. 23 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: We're good, We're good. 24 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 2: I don't want to do the classic house camp intro. 25 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: So I got to try to think of something else. 26 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: How about this? You know, just random, but but it 27 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: was news and we were there yesterday. What do you 28 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: think of the Yankees' facial hair policy? Going away? 29 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:20,919 Speaker 1: We're going straight to that. Huh straight? 30 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 3: Ho was camp? The house camp question is kind of 31 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 3: kind of tired. 32 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: It is. I I'd rather not comment on a policy 33 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: for another organization. That's a crappy answer, but I'm sticking 34 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: to it. 35 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 3: When you see Todd, when you see Todd on the screen, 36 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: what do you think of when you see Todd Frasier 37 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 3: on the screen. Yeah, he looks better with a beard. 38 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 3: So there you go. 39 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 4: I appreciate that, Thank you very much. 40 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: Now I'll go first. 41 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, everything's great, man, everything's great. Can't complain on here 42 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 4: talking to you guys. Wish I was out there with you, 43 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 4: battling with the boys. I want to I want to 44 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 4: first talk about, you know, when you're in spring training 45 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 4: as a manager. I know you, you know, before anything starts, 46 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 4: you have your meetings, everything, this and that, but you 47 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 4: have to portray a message to your team. And I 48 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 4: think you know, with all the off season stuff, the 49 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 4: buzz about Ornado, the buzz about you know, all these 50 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 4: different players, give me, give me your message right away 51 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 4: to the boys here and during the first you know, 52 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,839 Speaker 4: meeting in camp, you know, when everybody's together, Like, what 53 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 4: what's like the first couple of things you say to 54 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 4: the guys here. Is it different every year or you 55 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 4: try and keep to the same same storyline. 56 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: No, there's there's some common themes that you stick to 57 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: that are just what we're about as an organization. But 58 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: every year it changes based on personnel and how the 59 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: previous year went and what you're wanting to play emphasis 60 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: on moving forward. I mean, this year is pretty simple. 61 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: It's us against the world. Man. Expectations on the outside 62 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: are what they are, but this group truly believes in 63 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: what's inside that build thing right now. So they're coming 64 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: together as a group really well. Even today, Man, probably 65 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: one of my favorite days on the field seeing these 66 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: guys go at it and do their defense together as 67 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: a group. But it's gonna be fun. I like this group. 68 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: There's a lot of youth, there's a lot of energy 69 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: and guys that are looking to leave their mark on 70 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 1: this org. So I'm excited about what we're seeing right now. 71 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 3: Talking about leaving a mark on the org, like you 72 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 3: talk about okay, veteran guys showing rookie guys what to do. 73 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 3: All that stuff is cool, but like until you actually 74 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: do it, do something like you can't like you can't 75 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 3: even it's just words to some of these rookie guys. 76 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: And now early in the camp you don't freaking go 77 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 3: over four hours. And how much does it mean to 78 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 3: you as a manager when you see did five five vets? 79 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, make the trip. And that's the thing, like they 80 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: ask for it, right, You plan out their week and 81 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: you go up to the off day which is Monday, 82 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: and say this is what I have for you, and 83 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: a couple of them came in and said that's great, 84 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: but I want to go on this trip. And usually 85 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: you let those guys and stay back, get some live 86 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: VP on the backfield, but they're wanting to get out 87 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: there and compete and be a group. And that's what's 88 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: gonna make this thing go right. Like you've been on 89 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: teams that you have some talent but they don't come 90 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: together and you just do okay. And then there's certain teams, man, 91 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: where you just it becomes family and you get after 92 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: and there's times where things don't go well, but you 93 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: still come together as a group and it ends up 94 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: playing out. Okay. So I like the way it's shaping 95 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: up so far, man. 96 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 3: But if the Vets are doing that, no doubt, ain't 97 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 3: no rookie that can be Like, dude, I gotta ride 98 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 3: the buck, I gotta go. 99 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: I'd love to hear it. 100 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 3: Like, did you see any comments, like you know how 101 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: it's like, all right, we got two games over there 102 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 3: now to need and nobody's gonna be at that game Yankees. 103 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 3: Some people can get kind of excited about for whatever reason, 104 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 3: But like, did you see any of that? Did you 105 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 3: see like less complaining than you thought you would we. 106 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: I didn't hear now stiff complaining on the entire trip 107 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: that they needing trip, and then the Tampa. I mean 108 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: I can't think of one guy where it was they 109 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: didn't want to be there. I mean, we're ready to play, 110 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: had a good off season, now it's time to go. 111 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: So zero from anybody, to be quite honest. 112 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 3: Now we're talking about obviously you know, the facial hair 113 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 3: thing was kind of funny, But I'm talking about Paul 114 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: gold Schmith, who's over there now, yeh, what does he 115 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 3: mean to you? Because I read a story? What does 116 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 3: he mean to you? And I'll let you say whatever 117 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:19,679 Speaker 3: you want about Paul. 118 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's certain dudes that are on a completely different 119 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: list of great players, but incredible, incredible humans, and he's uh, 120 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: he's unreal man. There's a to be as good as 121 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: he is. What he looks for off the field just 122 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: opportunities to make sure people are taken care of. That's 123 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: the simplest way put. It's just he's constantly looking for 124 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if it's player, rookie, veteran, staff member, 125 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: training staff. He's constantly looking for opportunities to to take 126 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: care of people. And if you ask him about it, 127 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: he would. I mean, he probably hated me telling that 128 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: story because he just doesn't want anybody known about it. 129 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: He's been blessed and he really takes the stance of like, 130 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to make sure that I can do that 131 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: for other people. But he's been incredible to me. Obviously 132 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: enjoyed managing him, and I wish him nothing but the 133 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,239 Speaker 1: best over in New York. But he's an absolute stud 134 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: of a person. 135 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 3: Can I have you tell the story because I kind 136 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 3: of alluded to. 137 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: It, sure, and it's I mean, I had I have 138 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: two daughters in twenty nineteen when when Kylie was born, 139 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: he knew that I was going to kind of be 140 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: on the road. We had a stretch of games that 141 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: was going to be tough and a lot of travel 142 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: and my wife already had a two year old on 143 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: her hands. And without I mean, it came out of nowhere. 144 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: But he came up and he said, hey, listen, you 145 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: can't say no to this. I've already hired a night nurse. 146 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: She's going to come to the house every day while 147 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: we're on the road, and you have nothing to worry about. 148 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: And this isn't a matter of you saying yes or 149 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: no like it's done. So things like that where he's 150 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: just so thoughtful and intentional with everything, man to think about, 151 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: I need you to be focused, And I know your 152 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: wife's going to be tired, so I've already taken care 153 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,119 Speaker 1: of that. Like that's unreal. So it makes you think 154 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: about what opportunity is am I missing that I can 155 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: take care of? Right, So that's always stuck with me 156 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: and I'm constantly now looking for those type of opportunities 157 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: to take care of our staff and our players. So 158 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: he means the world to me. Man, he's an absolute stud. Yeah, 159 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: that's awesome. 160 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 4: So the organ that's really really cool. So the organization 161 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 4: has actually come out and said they're going to be real. 162 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 4: But rebuilding with the younger players, does that kind of 163 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 4: switch up your approach your message towards things at all? 164 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: Not entirely man, Like you when you think about the 165 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: minor leagues and development, and that's where I came through, 166 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: and a lot of our staff when you look at 167 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: their background, they have that that part of them minim 168 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: where they came up through our system developing players. You 169 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: want to develop winning players, and so the message doesn't 170 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: change at all. Man, We're going to strive to create 171 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: a winning culture in that clubhouse and go win as 172 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: many ballgames as possible. Will we allow a certain runway 173 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: or longer runway to some of these young guys to 174 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: make sure that at the end of this year we 175 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: have clarity as to who they are and what they 176 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: can do and what they can't do. Absolutely, But the 177 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: message of going out there and competing all nine that 178 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: doesn't change at all. 179 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 3: What you're talking about the young guys. I want to 180 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 3: go to the JJ Weatherholp thing. One of the guys 181 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 3: I talked to, by the way, is dude, it's like 182 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 3: a mini like Tyler O'Neill. He is Jack. I saw 183 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 3: him hit his appo tank the other day, so obviously 184 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 3: baseball wise fixes for it. Baseball wise, he's got he's 185 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: got the skills. 186 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: Yea. 187 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 3: His presentation in front of Ozzie Smith is that like 188 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 3: one of those things that do you guys do more 189 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 3: of that stuff? Is that initiated by youth? Now? 190 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: Actually, Descalzo wanted those guys to Chase Davis and JJ 191 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: to present to the group and just give a little 192 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: brief history on Ozzy and on David Freeze who they 193 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: were both here in person to listen to it. But 194 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: they did a phenomenal job. But both presented well. But 195 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: JJ's man, this guy's I don't like talking about the 196 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: young guys before they get to us, in said in 197 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: any type of expectations. But he's a he's a special talent, 198 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: and the way he about the game, the way he 199 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: approaches his day, he's not phased by a whole lot. Man. 200 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: I've been watching him closely and he's he's intentional with 201 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 1: everything he does. Throughout the day and you sit back 202 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: and you watch them, and there's something about him that 203 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: makes you think he's gonna be doing this for a 204 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: very long time. 205 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 3: Is that tough for you when you know, like what 206 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 3: the ORG thinks of somebody and then he comes into 207 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 3: camp and you're getting eyes on him and you're like, I. 208 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: Think you guys are off like this guy might be 209 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: better than you. 210 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 3: Know that little intangent. I think it's like being being 211 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 3: on time, being aware of what a pictures like locked 212 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 3: in when other rookie guys are like jacking around on 213 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 3: the bench. No. 214 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: I mean you get as much intel from the guys 215 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 1: that've been around them and lived with them, and then 216 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: certain scouts, and you just take all of that to 217 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: make your own, your own decision on the guy. 218 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 5: Man. 219 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: So it's good to have that intel and then to 220 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: sit back and watch them early in camp and see 221 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: how they go about their business. Up to this point, 222 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: it's been pretty impressive. In Matthews No, two days ago, 223 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: days ago, Yeah with Toronto, Yeah, did a nice job. 224 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: Got into some trouble and got out of it, big 225 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: arm and same thing. Not phased by a whole lot. 226 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 4: Men. 227 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: You sit back and you watch these young guys and 228 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: you see how they react to certain comments, and at 229 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: times you try to kind of say things to see 230 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: kind of how they react to it. And he isn't phased. 231 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: There's something to being young and not caring. And when 232 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: I say that in a positive way, like, man, I'm 233 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: not going to make this any bigger than it is. 234 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: I know what I bring to the table. I'm gonna 235 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: have my ears open and make adjustments, but I'm not 236 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 1: going to make this any bigger than it is. And 237 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:32,719 Speaker 1: both those guys have done a nice job with that. 238 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: Oh Todd father, remember the good old days when we 239 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: would have the cards and the binders, But then they 240 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: get all messed up and we're trying to sell online 241 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 2: and it's just real clunky. They really actually weren't the 242 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 2: good old days, were they? 243 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 4: No, they were definitely not. But now there's a better way. 244 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 4: The Arena club has been dominant with this that you 245 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 4: get to trade your card, you could sell them, but 246 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 4: the best part for me is getting them graded. I 247 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 4: love everything about that. This new age of getting cards graded, 248 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 4: you could display on your online showroom, your mobile device. 249 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 4: It's the coolest thing in the world. 250 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: Whether you're buying, selling, trading, or displaying. Arena Club is 251 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: the all in one trading card platform. You have to 252 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 2: sign up for an account at Arena club dot com 253 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: slash foul. Just like Todd Father mentioned, there's a process 254 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 2: that combines AI and human grading to get the job 255 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 2: done right now. Twenty percent off your first slab pack 256 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: or card purchase by going to Arena club dot com 257 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: slash foul use codefoul. That's Arena Club dot com slash 258 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 2: foul codefoul for twenty percent off your first purchase. 259 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 3: What about what about a guy like Sonny Gray who 260 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 3: came in last year was kind of like was a vet. 261 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 3: You had some vets. You brought a lot of vets in, 262 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 3: So he's kind of now he's you know, in my opinion, 263 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 3: a guy with no trade probably chose to come back here. 264 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 3: That seems like that should be a huge value for 265 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 3: you guys, not only the fact that he's gonna not 266 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 3: just eat innings, but he's elite and this dude playing 267 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 3: with him, I know what he brings to the table. 268 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: Yes, there's a certain mentality to this guy that's special. 269 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: You want your young guys to walk in and watch 270 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: his every move because there's a reason for everything he does, 271 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: from the time he walks into the clubhouse of the 272 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: training room to how he goes about his bullpens to 273 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: prepping for a game. There there's a gosh like a 274 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: competitive nature to everything he does where you want guys 275 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: mimic you want them to mimic that. So him saying 276 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: I want to be here for this transition period is 277 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: uh is meaningful to my seat for sure, and I 278 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: know the fans absolutely love it. 279 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 4: I have one more question. 280 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: I'm curious. 281 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 4: You know you guys, you guys have your meetings before 282 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 4: and after game. You say, this is my trend about meetings. 283 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 4: But is there is there a guy? I know it's 284 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 4: early in camp, but is there a young cat right 285 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 4: now where you guys afterwards when you come together, Like 286 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 4: I want to see more of this guy, Like did 287 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 4: this guy you know he could help us in the 288 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 4: long run, or this guy he might be so body 289 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 4: halfway during the season or a month then that we're 290 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 4: gonna need him to come up here, you know, sparkle, 291 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 4: plug in this team and go out there and dominate. 292 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 4: It's been a young guy out there right now that's 293 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 4: been like, Wow, I didn't know really much about him 294 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 4: now kind I kind of figured. 295 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think JJ fits into that not so much 296 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: as that man. We got to see him so he 297 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: can break camp with us. As much as like, there's 298 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: something special about this kid. I want to see him 299 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: as much as possible because you want to see them 300 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: do well, but you also want to see them fail 301 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: a little bit. You want to see them run into 302 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: some trouble and see how they come through that and 303 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: how they react to it. So, uh, that's been fun. 304 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: And then from the left side, the jerky kid. We've 305 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: seen him in the past, but there's some funk to him, 306 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: so seeing him in shorter stints so far it's been 307 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: interesting and definitely want to see more of that as well. 308 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 3: What does what does the Nolan and Wilson changing position, 309 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 3: What is that like dynamic? How does that change for 310 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 3: you in the sense of like you had to do 311 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 3: that work ahead of time, you had to talk to 312 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 3: Wilson ahead of time, and now that they're in camp, 313 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 3: how has it changed, like your relationship with those guys. 314 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: He's a pro. I remember the first call where we 315 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: sat down and kind of like walked through it, and 316 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: his exact words were, you know, I'm a team guy, 317 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: and I'll do anything to stay here and help this club. 318 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about doing this somewhere else. 319 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: And if that's a first base in order to keep 320 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: me healthy for one sixty two and giving the young 321 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: guys a shot behind the plate that I'm in. So 322 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: the conversation was super simple. There was no pushback. And 323 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: this guy's a pro, like he's handled adversity well after 324 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: coming over to us. So that conversation, I don't want 325 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: to say it was easy, but he made it easy. 326 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 3: When you make when when you bring in guys like 327 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 3: John Jay from other I mean, you can't you can't 328 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 3: not love him. I mean, the guy's got the perfect 329 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 3: runway of baseball. Like he went to Miami. His wife's 330 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 3: from Saint Louis. She was in Miami. Then he coached 331 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 3: in Miami. Like this guy's just do you just I 332 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 3: like you just picked up gold and like perfection. 333 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: Yes, Like you want to make sure you fill in 334 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: certain holes from a staff standpoint and based on the 335 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: personnel like the players coming through, young guys, who's going 336 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: to relate best with them? John Jay has been incredible 337 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: even though we're like I give him some love today 338 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: as I was out there and they're finishing up their 339 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: work because man, it's it's fun to watch them just 340 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: the way he's direct. But he has a relationship with 341 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: these guys even in the offseason, like he'd come down 342 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: and work with Walker and Siani and Victor Scott and 343 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: those guys. So he's built that relationship with them where 344 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: he can be direct and challenge them and tell the 345 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: new part, Hey, that's not good enough, like let's do 346 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: it again, and there's no pushback because they know that 347 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: he cares right and he has the credibility of playing 348 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: for for ten years in the league. So man, just 349 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: the overall package of of who he is and what 350 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: he brings to the table and the way he's gone 351 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: about the work with the outfielders's spring has been absolutely incredible. 352 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: It's your fourth or fifth season, This will be my 353 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: fourth as manager. What surprised you the most about being 354 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: a manager that you've watched it from afar and now 355 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: you become a manager and you've pretty much managed through everything. Gosh, 356 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: I've seen a couple of guys come through. When I 357 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: was the first base coach for Matheni and then when 358 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: I was a bench coach for Shilty, and when you're 359 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: in the bench coach position, you're the person that they 360 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: kind of went to, and I would I would always 361 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: kind of sit there and go, man, don't worry about 362 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: the media, don't worry about the fans. Don't And then 363 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: you get in the seat and you're like, damn, that's real, 364 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: like you know, like you feel it right. So I 365 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: would say that that's probably the thing that's probably most 366 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: misunderstood about the position, at least for me. 367 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, enjoyed it. Enjoy that part. I don't. 368 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: I do. I don't mind it. I enjoy the pressure. 369 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: I love that our our city is a baseball city. Man. 370 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: They care about everything we do and everything is important. Uh. 371 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: It's what gets me up in the morning. And I've 372 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: said it before, but I mean that if I were 373 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: doing it in a city where they didn't care as 374 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,479 Speaker 1: much as Saint Louis, I'd have a hard time doing it. 375 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: So I welcome that accountability and pressure. It's what gets 376 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: me going, Yeah, that's. 377 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 2: Cool, that's cool. Yeah, you're fortunate. You're in a great spot. Ali, 378 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: I got one more for you. Okay. So towards the 379 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 2: end of last year, you know, there was articles about 380 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 2: the team's player development and the staff and how hey, 381 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 2: they wanted to boost it up again. So can you 382 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 2: walk us through if that's felt now and what that 383 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: looks like. And I guess the secondary part of this 384 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 2: is is that more for minor league talent or would 385 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 2: that also be helpful for major league talent like say 386 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 2: Mason Wynn. Can that help take someone like him from 387 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 2: great player to superstar player? 388 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: Yeah? The way it was described a lot leading into 389 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: the offseason was more on the player development side in 390 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: the minor leagues. And I'll tell you that the investments 391 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,479 Speaker 1: that were made not only in manpower but technology, in 392 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: catching up to the league and then positioning ourselves to 393 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: lead the league again in that department, like when you 394 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: think of the Sant Louis Cardinals man like all the 395 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: way back. It's an innovative organization and we got to 396 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: the point where we knew we have to make certain 397 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: investments in order to get to where we want to 398 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: get to. So it has felt I'll tell you right 399 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: now that this offseason and this spring training has been 400 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: very different. We've hired a lot of people down below, 401 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: and not just bodies, but some really intelligent dudes. That 402 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: know the game, that understand the modernization of the game, 403 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: but are good baseball guys, and it's it's made a 404 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: difference in how we can staff our stations, how we're 405 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: looking at all the data coming in and making it 406 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: simple and actionable. Like there's there's a big difference in 407 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: how we are approaching this year compared to the previous year. 408 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: So some of the changes that have been made up 409 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: to this point are felt definitely felt on the minor 410 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 1: league side, and we're feeling it on the big league side. 411 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: The collaboration with MO and the farm director and new 412 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: assistant AGM from home all the way, I mean, it's 413 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: been the collaboration has been incredible with the big league 414 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 1: staff and the minor league player development staff. So I 415 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: feel great about where we are as an ORG right 416 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: now and where we're headed. It's actually been pretty exciting. 417 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 4: So I want to go in a little baseball logistics here. 418 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 4: We're talking about strikes on balls and strikes. 419 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 5: Now. 420 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 4: Have you guys gone over like, Hey, is it catcher 421 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 4: mainly gonna do it? Is the pitcher is the batter? 422 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 4: Have you guys talked about anything like that yet, because 423 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 4: you only get two of them? So you got to 424 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 4: be real specific. Are you gonna wait till the end 425 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 4: like that? That's gonna be the end game stuff that 426 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 4: I'm really intrigued about. 427 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: No doubt. Here's the way we've positioned it up to 428 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: this point is your big boys that are playing the 429 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: first half of the game are the ones that haven't 430 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 1: experienced it. The guys that are coming in later in 431 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: the game when you would consider it to be more leverage, 432 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: are the guys that have already experienced the ABS. So 433 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: I want our dudes in the front end, whether it's 434 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: a meaningful spot in the game or not, to use 435 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: it and just get feedback as to how they like it. 436 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: We made it clear that pitchers are not good at 437 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: at challenging balls and strikes. They think everything's a strikes, 438 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: So we would prefer catchers to be the one to 439 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: do it. But but overall, I'd rather not Oh and 440 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: Contrarists and Don and those guys that haven't experienced ABS 441 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: to be the ones to challenge and get a feel 442 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 1: for it as we go through camp. That's the way 443 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: we're we're looking at it at the moment, last one, Yeah, 444 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: go for it? 445 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 3: How much At Doctor Phillips, I call it Doctor Pepper 446 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 3: High School. 447 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: So Glad is not here. 448 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 3: That's that's where we're getting how much how much? Scott 449 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 3: says the same, how much is there? Just too much 450 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 3: presents the stuff there and really he's only played man. 451 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 3: If you've been like essentially, you've been his boss. 452 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: I have not been back to Doctor Phillips in a minute. 453 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: So that's on me. I need to actually do that. 454 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: He lives in Orlando, so he's there, but I need 455 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: to do a better job of actually getting back there 456 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: and being a part of what's going on. 457 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 3: So just like, just like they don't want the White Sox, 458 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 3: he doesn't want the White Sox to win a World 459 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 3: series so he can be the last one. He doesn't 460 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 3: invite you back, so he's like, uh, maybe Johnny Damon, 461 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 3: don't ask. 462 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw him yesterday in the clubhouse. I told 463 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: him it was good seeing him. But yeah, it's okay. 464 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 3: Oh, I appreciate it. We appreciate it. Thanks for taking 465 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 3: no doubt good luck. This year we'll be watching. 466 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 2: We can't find the Cardinals. They're hiding from us, but 467 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 2: we can't find our buddy. Derek Goold from the Saint 468 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 2: Louis Post dispatch. Always fun at Cardinals camp, Derek, great 469 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 2: to see you. How is that Nolan I experienced yesterday? 470 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 2: Oh there he is. 471 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, up up in Tampa. Was interesting. You know, they've 472 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 5: been pretty clear with us about his schedule and going 473 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 5: every other day and wanting to maintain that. I mean, 474 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 5: it was one of the first things after he answered 475 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 5: all the questions about the non trade winter and all 476 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 5: the thoughts he had about reporting the Cardinal camp, one 477 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 5: of the first things he said was, I'm here to 478 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 5: play a lot. I cannot wait to play a lot. 479 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 5: And he's brought that often. 480 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: You know. 481 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 5: He wanted to take it bats right away with the 482 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 5: with LOBBYP and get right in the games. And they 483 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 5: set up his schedule. It's all based around Monday's off day, 484 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 5: but he didn't want to go two days off in 485 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 5: a row and had a chance to hang out with 486 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 5: some buddies. 487 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 3: You know. 488 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 5: I'm sure you guys maybe got a chance to talk 489 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,479 Speaker 5: to DJ Lil Mayhew. I talked to Paul Goldschma yesterday 490 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 5: up there in Tampa and they were both saying how 491 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 5: they got to spend time the night before with Nolan Arnatto, 492 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 5: who drove up. You know, he got to play, and 493 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 5: he got to play a little bit longer than he 494 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 5: expected because he wanted three of bats and out and 495 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 5: then on the road. But sixteen up, sixteen down kind 496 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 5: of meant that third of bat came in the seventh inning, 497 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 5: so he he was in Tampa a lot longer than 498 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 5: he expected. 499 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, you've followed him playing other spring trainings. Yeah, has 500 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 3: he always taken this many a bat? So? 501 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 5: Oh, this many at bats? 502 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, he said, Oh, I want to 503 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 3: you out there. I guess we're kind of craz skeptical, 504 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 3: skeptical about it, but like. 505 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 5: It's a great question. You know, he's always been a 506 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,479 Speaker 5: guy who wanted to play and play a lot, you know, 507 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 5: this many of bats this early. You know, the way 508 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 5: he explained it was like, look, he put in all 509 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 5: this work to be mobile. He put in the work 510 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 5: to you know, kind of alter his swing a little 511 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 5: bit and get back to a lot of that pulse 512 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 5: side power and comfort. And I think he wants to 513 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 5: make the most of it, like get some positive reinforcement 514 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 5: early on, see how it's working. You know, that's something 515 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 5: that he and the hitting coach, Brian Brown, have talked about. 516 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 5: Bran Brown you know about all the stuff going on 517 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 5: with you know, Nolan Arnado in the front office and 518 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 5: whether we'd be traded or not. The Cardinals, who hitting 519 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 5: coach Bran Brown visited with Arnatto during the winter, spend 520 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 5: time with him, kind of talked through a plan to like, Okay, 521 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 5: here's where we can get you to. What do you 522 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 5: want to do from your swing? Where do you think 523 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 5: it went wrong last year? What were you missing? What 524 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 5: comfort were you missing? And they want to get back 525 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 5: to that, like that's something. So he did mention that, like, 526 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 5: all right, get a lot of bats early, get a 527 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 5: feel for it, see where it goes. It's not so 528 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 5: much like get a lot of bats early, get that 529 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 5: rhythm going, and then crank your way through the end 530 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 5: of March into a new team. That wasn't kind of 531 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 5: the thinking. 532 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 3: And you're you're talking about the league player and our yeah, 533 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 3: you know, fringe Hall of Fame type of player. 534 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 5: But probably a Hall of Fame player right ten years 535 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 5: Dangle Gloves, I feel like he's. 536 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 3: A Hall of famer. We're not discussing Hall of. 537 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 5: Fam Sorry, sorry, no, that's December. 538 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 3: That's December. Yeah, off season stuff. But my my thought 539 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 3: is the team wanted. 540 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 5: To trade him. Yeah, whose spot is he really taking? 541 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 3: If he's still on here, that will push for that development. 542 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 3: I'm not talking about, oh, well, you know, we'll sign 543 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 3: somebody that'll be like it, because obviously they're not going 544 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 3: to sign anybody. They're the only team left without a 545 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 3: big league free agent so far since the Marlins made 546 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 3: a huge splash in the free agency. 547 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 5: But who rocked Jupiter? All, well, yeah, it's great. So 548 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 5: it's not like linear, right, It's not like Nolan arn 549 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 5: out of playing third cost this third base prospect playing time. 550 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 5: It's more of a trickle down in the sense that 551 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 5: with Nolan Arnauto at third, than Nolan Gorman is not. 552 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 5: Nolan Gorman is at second, so Brendan Donovan is not. 553 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 5: Brendan Donovan is in left field, so Lars newpar Is 554 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 5: not so, then Lars newpar Is in center, so Michael 555 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 5: Cianni or Victor Scott the second is not. So it 556 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 5: really comes down to not so much a development question, 557 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 5: but the classic conundrum of defense versus offense. Eric, you 558 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 5: know this notion that like, all right, do you go 559 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 5: with the best lineup that produces the most offense, because 560 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 5: that's Lars in center field right now? Or do you 561 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 5: play to the ballpark that you have. Do you prioritize defense, 562 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 5: which we've seen the Cardinals do and excel at a 563 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 5: run prevention style. And then you have Sianni or the 564 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 5: own prospect, Victor Scott, you know I mean. And then 565 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 5: you go down to the bench, like where does Thomas 566 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 5: just Sejac fit in? If you know Nolan Arnauto is 567 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 5: at third and now there's a less spot, one less 568 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 5: spot on the bench. You have a right handed, versatile 569 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 5: young rookie player in Thomas a Jac Does he have 570 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 5: a spot in the big leagues or is his playing 571 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 5: time going to be so minimal in the big leagues 572 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 5: that they want him playing every day and continue to 573 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 5: develop triple A. So it's not like a direct line 574 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 5: that's going to cost all of us. I known, Nolan 575 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 5: Gorman isn't going to get five hundred bats. He'll still 576 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 5: get at bats. It's more elsewhere and around the roster 577 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 5: where those at bats are going to go this year. 578 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 3: There's nothing holding you back from loving your hair again. 579 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 3: Let neutrofol target the key root causes of your thinning 580 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 3: hair and help you grow stronger, healthier strands from within. 581 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 6: Neutrifol is the number one dermatologists recommended hair growth supplement brand, 582 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 6: trusted by over one and a half million people. 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Yeah, bang, we got it. 599 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 5: Yep. 600 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 3: You just shifted everybody around the infield and outfield and 601 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 3: all this stuff. And that's to me, I feel like 602 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 3: that's part of one of the things that has gotten 603 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 3: them to this spot is never having that guy that 604 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 3: plays that position, whatever it is. It's like, yeah, it's like, hey, 605 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 3: you know what, you're coming showing up today and you're 606 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 3: gonna hit second. Now you're hit playing left, and you're 607 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 3: tomorrow you're gonna play third and you're hitting seventh. Yeah. 608 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 3: Why as a young that's hard to adjust to. And 609 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 3: I thought, in this reboot, rebuild, whatever it's called, I 610 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 3: got seven guys, they're all going out there and I'm 611 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 3: mixing in catcher here and there. I'm mixing in a 612 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 3: one platoon advantage. But we're an organization that's gonna lock 613 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 3: this in. And so you're saying that's probably not gonna happen. 614 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think they still can. You know, 615 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 5: it's a question of will production make the answer for them, right, Like, 616 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 5: that's back to where it's at. Not so much that 617 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 5: they can force the issue. 618 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 3: You know. 619 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 5: One of the things like exactly what you're talking about. 620 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 5: It's like one of the skills that they had is 621 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 5: also become their curse. Like you know, for years down 622 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 5: here in spring training, I've heard from other teams who 623 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 5: are around the Mets, you know, the Astros there for 624 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 5: a while, and they talk about how the Cardinals always 625 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 5: seem to like get that versatile guy, that guy who produces. 626 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,719 Speaker 5: Maybe he doesn't have an everyday position, but an every 627 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 5: day spot in the lineup. Tommy Edmond comes to mind, 628 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 5: you know. I mean, you could go way back to 629 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 5: the performance that they got out of Aaron Miles when 630 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 5: he was there, So I mean, I can run the 631 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 5: whole gamut of a couple of decades. Brendan Donovan is 632 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 5: that guy who wins the Utility Gold Glove Award. Right, So, 633 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 5: the Cardinals have had a track record of producing, like 634 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 5: contributing players who play a lot of different spots, while 635 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,719 Speaker 5: some of these other teams have struggled to do that. 636 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 5: But that's also been their curse in the sense that 637 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 5: it can make them impatient, right like they can and 638 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 5: it's really out there in the outfield right where you know, 639 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 5: Randal Gritchick is their guy until he's not. Randy rose 640 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 5: Arena is their guy until he suddenly is not. You know, 641 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 5: Layne Thomas was their guy until he got hurt, and 642 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 5: then when he came back, Harrison Vader was their guy. 643 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 5: So you know, all these all these folks, and then 644 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 5: they were constantly the word that I John Mozelak us 645 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 5: that's app appropriate is they were constantly like chasing. And 646 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 5: over the last few years they've been chasing innings with starters. 647 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 5: But there was this notion that they were always kind 648 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 5: of chasing the production at a position, and that made 649 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 5: them impatient. They never let a guy kind of go 650 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 5: through the rocky times that then allowed in Adolas Garcia 651 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 5: to emerge or get the playing time that Randy rose 652 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 5: Arena could have to emerge. These guys had flaws in 653 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 5: their games. They went elsewhere and overcame them through playing 654 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 5: time and an opportunity that was just never gonna happen 655 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 5: here with the Cardinals because the pressure to perform and 656 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 5: produce and win was so on them that they were, well, 657 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 5: we're gonna go with somebody else. We're gonna go with 658 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 5: somebody else, We're gonna go with somebody else. So this 659 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 5: year the commitment is like, okay to that patience, and 660 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 5: I think it's still there. Maybe not as many at 661 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 5: bats because Nolan Arnado's here. Not definitely not as many 662 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 5: at bats for like a guy for a space because 663 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 5: Wilson Canterreres is here. But it still can be. They 664 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 5: can still be patient, they can still see. All right, 665 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 5: Lars newpart, what do you do with all this playing time? 666 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 5: You know you're not the next guy that we're gonna 667 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 5: ship off and become an All star elsewhere. You're the 668 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 5: guy who's gonna play here without the pressure of being 669 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 5: in first place. Let's see what happens. 670 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 2: Okay, So let let me give you my take here 671 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 2: on Ronado because I want to get your thoughts on 672 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 2: you know what the results of. 673 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: This will be. 674 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 2: Clearly you want to be with a team like Boston. 675 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 2: That ain't happening. I mean, Bregman can't even get to 676 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 2: third base in Boston with the Yankees. My guess is 677 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 2: it was a quick phone call of them saying, yeah, 678 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 2: maybe we'd take them, but we would have you take 679 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 2: most of the money. That's not the point here. For 680 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 2: Saint Louis, Houston seemed like a perfect fit. To me, 681 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm missing there. I mean, they're 682 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 2: always a contender. So I would a be pissed off 683 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 2: if I was the Cardinals and Houston was on the list. 684 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 2: They figured out a trade, then he said no, and 685 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 2: now the list is narrowed down to just really a 686 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 2: few teams, because it did sound like Houston was on 687 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 2: the list. And then, b do you think he's holding 688 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 2: off because he thinks that maybe the Yankees will give 689 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 2: in eventually and realize that they need more help at 690 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 2: third base? He might only get one crack at, you know, 691 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 2: waving the no trade clause to a team that he 692 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 2: really wants to be on, say a top three team 693 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 2: instead of a top five team for him, and just 694 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 2: trying to comprehend where his head is at because is 695 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 2: likely going to start the season on a team that 696 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 2: doesn't want him here. It sounds like he's okay to 697 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 2: leave and they're not going to be contenders. 698 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think I think they're all in 699 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 5: a good spot as far as him being here to 700 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 5: be candid, you know, I think that's part of it. Like, 701 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 5: you know, as he walks out of the clubhouse here 702 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 5: and off to the ballpark right there, you know, I 703 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 5: think that's they're in a good spot with that. Just 704 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 5: to your last point. But I don't really get the 705 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 5: sense that he's trying to play chicken with the Yankees. 706 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 5: You know, in a sense he's said, this is what 707 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 5: I'm willing to leave Saint Louis for. These are the 708 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 5: traits that I want in a team, whether those are 709 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 5: definitely contending for a championship, going all in, whatever you 710 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 5: want to do, or how he described the Yankees, that 711 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 5: they're really pushing for that championship. That's how he put 712 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 5: it yesterday and describing him. So that's part of the trades, 713 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,479 Speaker 5: but also is like, look, you got to look at 714 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 5: it this too. I like the way you put that. 715 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 5: They're like, Okay, if you're gonna wave the no trade 716 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 5: clause for a second time in his career, you kind 717 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 5: of want it to be the last time, right. You 718 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 5: don't want to go to a spot where this is 719 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 5: just the same conversation now for every three remaining years 720 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 5: of the contract. You don't want to become the guy 721 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 5: who's chasing after a championship while people move your contract around, either. 722 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 5: So I think that that really limited his notion. He 723 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 5: brought that up too, in the sense that he didn't 724 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 5: want to move his family around running after the next 725 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 5: best team to try to win a World Series with. 726 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 5: He wanted to find a place where he could stay 727 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 5: and do that, and so I think that's part of 728 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 5: why that list is so limited. You know, there's also 729 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 5: all of the things that go on with his contract. 730 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 5: I think you think back to when the Cardinals made 731 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 5: that trade and how that trade almost fell apart just 732 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 5: because they were trying to defer money. They had to 733 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 5: introduce a second opt out clause to give it the 734 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 5: current day value. So, like, maintaining the current day value 735 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 5: of that contract is so essential, and we saw teams 736 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 5: just really reluctant to offer all kinds of contracts this year, 737 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 5: and we see like, you know, deferred money here and 738 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 5: backloaded there. And if you come to this trade and go, okay, 739 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 5: well let's adjust this money to fit our current financial situation, 740 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 5: then he has to say in that being uncomfortable as well, 741 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 5: and that could be a reason why trade just doesn't 742 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 5: come to fruition. So there's a lot of elements here, 743 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 5: But I don't get the sense that, like the way 744 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 5: you put a sky is really good. I think he 745 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 5: has a few places that he's willing to leave this 746 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 5: spot for He knows this place there is at least 747 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 5: some vibe and you guys may have gotten it here, 748 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 5: You may have gotten it here that maybe they could 749 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 5: force the issue. You know, I was really interested in 750 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 5: the fact that, like the front office has set the 751 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 5: tone for the winder, and the players now get to 752 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 5: decide is that really what they are? Is this really 753 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 5: a transition? Is this really a rebuild? You know, the 754 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 5: players take over from here, and you see Wilson Contreras here, 755 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 5: you see Sonny Gray here. They're not really settling for that. 756 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 5: And I'm really interested in seeing like what manifests on 757 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 5: the field versus what manifests in the boardroom. And if 758 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 5: arn I was around seeing that same thing and goes, 759 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 5: all right, well, this place isn't that far away, or 760 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 5: maybe they could cause a headache for a few things, 761 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 5: And maybe he likes the opportunity here, or at least 762 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 5: the level here, more than just the unknown of going somewhere. 763 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 5: So I don't think it's that case where he's like 764 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 5: trying to play chicken with the Yankees per se. But 765 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,919 Speaker 5: he's just being very selective. So he knows that when 766 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 5: he makes this move, it is them move to a 767 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 5: better spot to a better chance to win, and it's 768 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 5: going to be the one that he closes out. 769 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: His career with. 770 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 3: It's the last one. Yeah, that's what it kind of 771 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 3: feels like, Well, Sonny, we didn't really hear Sonny's name. 772 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 3: He has that money, so you almost have to say, 773 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 3: was there no talk about Sonny? Was there no interest? 774 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 5: Was he shot it down? Like they went to him? 775 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 5: So they told they had this press conference at the 776 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 5: end of the year where they introduced the Reset, which 777 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 5: has now been rebranded a transition. This is what goes on. 778 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 5: But anyway, so they said all this out there, like 779 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 5: this is where it is. And I asked, you know, 780 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 5: like do you need to have some conversations with the 781 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 5: guys who signed here specifically for the promise that you 782 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 5: were going to contend every year? This is part of 783 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 5: your brand. So when you sign a player for as 784 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 5: a free agent, you get the notion that you get 785 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 5: the history, you get the birds on the bat, and 786 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 5: you get the knowledge that you're going to contend every year. 787 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 5: That that's what you're selling. Now that you have these 788 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 5: guys who you signed as free agents or Nolan Arnatto's case, 789 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 5: traded where he was willing to do a lot to 790 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 5: come here, you know, do you have to go to 791 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,720 Speaker 5: them and say, hey, look we're changing our brand and 792 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 5: we recognize that we sold you on this brand. And 793 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 5: Moseillic said, yes, he goes, those are conversations that have 794 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 5: He goes, I'm gonna have them over the next two weeks. 795 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 5: He had already had at least one of them and 796 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 5: likely a few others. But he did go to those 797 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 5: guys ask him like, do you want out? Do you 798 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 5: want to be traded? He wants to find you a 799 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 5: spot where would you like to go? And Wilson and 800 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,320 Speaker 5: Sonny both said I'd prefer to stay. You know, Wilson 801 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 5: was willing. They were like, okay, but you're not gonna 802 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 5: be catcher because we want these young guys to get 803 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 5: and he was willing to move positions, not teams, and Sonny, 804 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 5: you know, he made the point that he came to 805 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 5: the Cardinals for a lot of reasons, not just the 806 00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,040 Speaker 5: annual contention, the the proximity at home, the history, the 807 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,959 Speaker 5: people that he met, all those reasons, but he said 808 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,760 Speaker 5: also like I saw things that needed to be changed, 809 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 5: that needed to be updated here, that needed to be 810 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 5: like radically reimagined. Or rethought and they're gonna do that. 811 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 5: So I could be a part of seeing that through. 812 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 5: And so that's part of the reason why is I mean, 813 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 5: the GM meetings, it was like clear right then, you know, Sonny, 814 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 5: the word I was told by multiple people was his 815 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 5: preferences to stay, and the Cardinals respected that. 816 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 3: That's awesome. 817 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,240 Speaker 5: I love it, appreciate Yeah, thank you guys.