WEBVTT - Everyone vs ICE: On the Ground In Minnesota 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:08.320 Cool Zone Media. 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:11.680 Hello, welcome to Cool People. Did Cool Stuff Slash it 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:15.800 could happen here episode? And this is a little pickup 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:20.320 we inserted because James and I Hi, James, Hi, Margaret 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:24.640 and Margaret, that's James. We're on each other's shows this week. 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:29.360 We just spent three days in Minneapolis culminating in the 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:32.720 general strike last Friday, and we were there to cover 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:35.440 the rapid response networks and the mutual aid networks that 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:37.839 people have been building, and that's what we're going to 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:40.200 be talking about in these two episodes. But the reason 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.960 that we're recording this little pickup right here to listen 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:46.120 to at the front of it is that nine hours 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:49.960 after we finished recording these episodes, shortly after both of 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:53.680 us had left the city, a man named Alex Pretty 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:58.840 was killed by federal agents in what is obviously a 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:03.040 something that you all are familiar with. And we just 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:04.800 kind of want to mark that because I think the 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:07.760 tone and what we're talking about right now is we're 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:11.640 so excited about these networks that people have been building. 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:14.640 But obviously the tone would have changed a little bit 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.520 had we recorded it only nine hours later, and we 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.920 would have been talking about something slightly different, and that's 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:22.640 just the breaks of podcasting. 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:27.680 Yeah, the fundamental message, I guess wouldn't change, but we 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.520 all know that that doing what these people do can 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:33.600 have terrible costs, and we were reminded of that again. 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.880 Yeah Saturday morning. I guess we should just say that, like, 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:42.000 we grieve his passing and we're sending our thoughts to 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.880 his family and the people who loved him. Yeah, it's 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:46.119 gond be a really hard time for him. 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:54.040 Absolutely, Hello, and welcome to Cool People Could Happen Here. 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:57.400 I'm one of your hosts, Margaret Kiljoy, and with me 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:02.440 today as my other host is James. Hi. Margaret, we 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:07.000 are doing a special crossover episode of it Could Happen 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.000 Here and Cool People Who did cool stuff. And we're 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:12.840 doing it because James and I are in sunny Minneapolis, 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:14.000 which is true. 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:16.840 The sun was out. Yeah, yeah, I saw the sun. Yeah, yeah, 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.000 I saw it through a cloud. 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:24.040 Of cold, cold air, the vapor of our own breath freezing. 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:29.519 I have seen more people today with frozen eyelashes than 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:31.440 any other point in my life. 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:35.440 But together. Yeah, I breathed into my goggles briefly and 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:41.440 that froze, Yeah, from my eyes froze. Yeah, Yeah, it 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.040 was minus thirty fahrenheit. 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:48.040 Feel I guess with windshill, what is that and what 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:49.440 is that in Celsius. 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:51.959 They come together at minus forty, so it's going to 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:55.280 be like minus thirty five and something like that. It was. 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:58.880 It was for those who are not familiar cold, very cold. 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:01.919 And so the two of us came up to Minneapolis 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:03.840 a few days ago and we have spent the past 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:07.360 three days here talking to everyone we can about the 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:11.400 rapid response networks that people have built to try to 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:15.959 keep themselves and their neighbors safe from ice and federal 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:19.840 oppression and the sort of federal occupation of the city, 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:21.960 and so what we thought we would do this is 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:25.200 kind of Neither of us have written scripts. Yet we 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:29.200 are still here. We just had a fun, slightly hectic 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:33.040 day where we spent only about twenty minutes reasonably sure 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:34.040 we were getting arrested. 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.000 We didn't get arrested. No, thank you, Comra train. 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:39.920 Yeah, we got on a light rail and were able 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:42.200 to leave a kettle by a light rail, which is 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:43.720 a new experience for me. 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:45.040 Yeah, I'm very European. 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:48.720 Yeah, and yeah, we came up here to talk to 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:52.160 people and that's been like the story that I'm most 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:54.240 interested in, right, is that we have all of these 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:57.600 stories that are absolutely true. The stakes are really high here, 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:03.000 but the things that people are building here are really incredible, 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:08.760 and people know that they're holding down ice here in 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:11.160 a way that no one would have expected, I think, 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.960 And I don't know, So yeah, you want to Should 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:17.000 we just talk about kind of our days? 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:20.680 I think I just want to ground people before we 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.200 do that in that so much as if reporting on 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.840 Minneapolis has focused on trauma, and so much reporting on 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:30.280 migrants focuses on trauma, right, And I think people who 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.600 have listened to our podcast know that that's not really 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:36.120 a game, and so I understand when they hear that 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:38.040 we've been in Minneapolis, I think we're going to talk 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:42.440 about horrific things that we've seen. I want to talk 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:46.120 more about the beautiful things that we've seen, because I 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:51.080 think those get missed and they're super important, especially if 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:54.559 you're listening in another city in the US which will 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.800 face some degree of this or is facing some degree 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.400 of this. Right, So I want to ground this in 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.799 saying that rather than talking about the trauma people experiencing, 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.440 which I'm sure will be incidental, I want to talk 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:08.680 about how closely people are holding each other here and 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.040 how special that is and what we can take from it. 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.200 Yeah, and like without obviously we're like, we're not trying 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.560 to paint a rosy picture of what's happening here, because 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:22.080 what's happening here is like I'm I'm a cold hearted journalist, 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:25.040 historian person, and I was crying multiple times in the 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.280 past couple days as people told me about some of 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.719 the stuff they've experienced. But some of it has been 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:32.320 you know, we've asked people, We've said, like, hey, what 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.680 do you want people to take away from this? And 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:36.839 one of the main things is that kind of a 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.560 like hey, you can do it too kind of thing. 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:43.960 And the other thing that people have talked about is 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:47.680 like it would be really nice for people to see 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.920 that what we're doing is amazing here, even if it's 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:54.600 like coming out of such such horrendous adversity. 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.840 Yeah. Like one of the things that I've taken throughout 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:01.120 my career is in hard times, we can build beautiful things. Yeah, 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:03.880 That's what I wrote my book about, really. Yeah, and 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:05.520 what I've tried to report on all of the world. 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:07.400 They think this is more evidence of that, and so 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:11.120 like you're going to hear things which were amazing and 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.920 the people who have done them are wonderful, but they're 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:17.520 not uniquely special. You can do all these things too, 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:22.200 and like, I want you to see that it is 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:23.320 possible where you live. 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:28.400 Yeah. So one of the first things that we did 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:31.880 when we got here we talked about, you know, to 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:35.440 put ourselves in the story. I drove a long way 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.080 and James flew a long way and yeah, you know, 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.240 I picked up James at the airport and we came 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.159 to where we're staying and we were talking about like 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:43.520 and it was late at night and we're like, all right, 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:45.240 what are we what are we trying to do tomorrow? 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:47.200 And what are we trying to see? And what are 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.479 we trying to learn? Yeah, And one of the main 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:51.520 things one of the first questions we had was like, 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:54.960 what's the scale of what's happening here? Yeah? Right, Like, 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.200 like what were your impressions of the scale of what 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.039 was happening? Mmm? We should talk without that. 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:00.720 What's happening here? 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:03.680 It's like really quickly, I bet you all know about 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:05.680 it in the news. Why do I have a different 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:07.800 tone of voice when I'm talking into a microphone? In 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:09.400 this way, and so usually I'm in a zoom call, 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.360 but instead we're both sitting in a bedroom on opposite 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.040 ends of the bedroom. Yeah, talking into microphones, and I 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:16.800 somehow have a different cadence and I don't know how 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:19.240 I feel about it. Also, I've had to drink caffeine, 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.360 which I don't do because we've had to do an 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:26.440 awful lot. And anyway, what was I about to ask you. 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:28.080 How widespread stuff is? 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:29.840 Oh? Yeah, well what was it? Okay, we're going to 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:30.800 talk about what's happening here. 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.120 But yeah, so if people aren't familiar, right, ICE, which 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:36.920 is Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the agency charged with removing 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:41.280 people from the United States who are non citizens right 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:45.680 who are considered deportable. Specifically, the branch of Immigration and 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:49.200 Customs Enforcement that we are seeing here is Enforcement Removal 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:53.680 Operations aka EOO. We're also seeing border patrol right in 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.960 the last year, actually more than a year, and I right, 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:00.440 this begun under the Bay deministration with Operation Turned to 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:03.400 Send Her in the Central Valley of California. We're seeing 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:09.840 border patrol agents used to do internal enforcement right of 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:14.640 people who are generally documented, sometimes undocumented, but always non citizens. 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:17.760 They are detaining them in the street. They are detaining 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:19.760 them outside schools. They're detaining them at the bus stop, 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:21.240 They're detaining them at places to work. And when I 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:25.320 say detaining, that's as they're grabbing people out of cars. 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.680 They're snatching children and using them to bait out their parents. 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:32.920 They're smashing people's car windows and pulling them out. They're 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:36.080 barging into businesses. In one case, they ate at a 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:39.720 Mexican restaurant and then arrested the workers there later that day. 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:44.360 I've visited a lot of places where terrible things happen. Right. 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.960 The ship that is happening here, it's a ship that 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:52.200 people come to America to get away from. It is 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:57.240 men in masks with guns pulling people who have done 0:08:57.240 --> 0:09:01.560 nothing wrong, who are here not harming anyone, People who 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.680 do not have criminal records. Just for the I don't 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:06.000 feel like I need to say that on this show, 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:07.240 but I need to say that every time I talk 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.640 about this, right, like, the vast majority, something like eighty 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:12.200 percent last time I know to the status of these 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.679 people have no criminal records, and a criminal record could 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:16.640 be something like fucking parking in the wrong. 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:21.160 Please, I've been arrested Yeah. Also, I don't care. I 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:24.680 would give you a lot of crime. Everyone listening to 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:26.240 this has done a lot of crime. Whether or not 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:28.440 you've been caught, you're. 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.559 Probably stead Yeah you went a little bit too late 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.480 through a red light whatever, Like, I don't think that 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.640 matters actually exactly, even if you're a lib, even if 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.120 you believe it, our justice system is fair. It should 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.880 be fair for everyone. There shouldn't be different consequences for 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:47.199 different people. Let's move past set, right, So how wide 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.440 spread is this? Margaret and I got in late. We 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:54.560 sat up even later talking all the shitty Vegan pizza. 0:09:54.800 --> 0:10:00.480 We ate it. We kind of was Yeah, had better, 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:05.600 I won't name drop. We we work up the next morning, 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.600 and within five minutes while waking up, we heard like 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:13.240 beep beep beep coming down the street. Yeah. Both Mark 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:15.880 and I ran to the front door, spent a while 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:19.400 trying to put on snow boots, and watched an Ice 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:23.679 agent rolling down the street in what they normally drive in, right, 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:28.199 which a rental SUVs with the windows blacked out. Yeah, 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:32.160 and people following them alerting the block that Ice was here, right. 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.360 Yeah, and we're not downtown. We like picked an area 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:38.760 that's like slightly lightly out of it. But we got 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.319 warned that nowhere is goon free. Yeah, and they were right, 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:42.240 nowhere is good free. 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:45.880 Right. I mean we have probably been within a thirty 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:49.280 minute radius of the spot we're staying at for three 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:49.920 or four days. 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:50.200 Right. 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:53.440 We've seen ICE pile their car into a telephone pole. 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:59.200 We've seen spent munitions on the floor, Ice tear gas 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:01.000 and people a few ox from us, but they were 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:04.280 gone by the time we got there. Yeah, and I 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:05.959 don't want to get this out like front and center 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.440 at the start. It was not Ice who kettle protesters today. 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:13.320 It was Hennepin County Sheriff's office. It was not Ice 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:15.920 who arrested people who approached them with their hands in 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:17.520 the air trying to work out what was going on. 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.880 That was Helipin County Sheriff's office. I've seen press conferences 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.679 with Minneapolis police. I don't know what their deal is. 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.000 I'll tell you the Hennepin County Sheriff's office for actively 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:30.240 participating in this. Right, I'm not buying this local cops good. 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:34.679 This will shock listeners. I'm not buying the local cops good, 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:38.240 federal cops bad. Narrative when cops get asked what site 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:39.679 they're on there on the side of the other cops. 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:42.680 Well, it's interesting because the thing that you have is 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:45.160 that you have you know, there's the great classic like 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:47.280 if those are neutron times of oppression or siding with 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:50.840 the oppressors, right, Yeah, because the overall situation here, it 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:54.280 seems to be, is that you do have much more 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.079 the oppressive force here as an outside forces concerned to 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.280 any other protest movement I've seen in the United States, 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.600 people are very aware that it is outsiders who have 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.640 come to their city to steal their neighbors. 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:07.320 Yeah, right, And. 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:11.960 So because of that, the federal forces are the forces 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.360 everyone's mad at, whereas a lot of the people who 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:17.760 are standing up to federal forces are neutral or fine 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:20.720 with police and even like the concept of other federal agencies. 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.679 They just don't want people snatching neighbors. Now that's not universal, 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:25.720 but it's like some of the people we've talked to. Yeah, 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:30.720 but what state level law enforcement has decided is that 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.480 they are committed to keeping the peace and they can't 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:37.440 keep the peace against ice, which they probably on some 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:39.920 level morally know that they need to, but they don't. 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:41.920 And instead they're like, all right, well we can mess 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:42.800 up with the you. 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:46.880 Know, the protest protested there protested, right, But. 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:50.079 Yeah, like when we saw people drive down honking the 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:52.800 very first thing that we experienced in this town, and 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:55.280 we weren't sure what it was. We were like, is 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.160 that is that people following ice and honking? And I 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.679 had done fair about research before I came, and I 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.120 kind of knew about the whistles, but I didn't really 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:07.440 know about this like incredible network that people have built. 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:11.720 Yeah that what we saw was not in any way exceptional, right, 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:12.480 that was just. 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:14.360 A standard street on a Wednesday morning. 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:17.320 Yeah, And so we get into we get into my 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.720 vehicle and we start driving. You know, we have some 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:21.480 places we think we're going to go check out, We 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:23.960 have some you know, friends who are local who are 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:27.480 going to talk to us. And we get like two 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:32.600 blocks three blocks before we find people protecting Somali Daycare. 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:35.640 Yeah right, we uh, well before that, right, we went 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:37.840 to the food cop to get food. Yeah, And we 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:41.120 went into the food corp. We got a food and 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:42.959 on the way out, we see this big old sign 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:44.680 on the door which is like we're closed on the 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.439 twenty third Ice out of Minnesota. Yeah, I s had 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:49.800 in Minneapolis whatever it is, and it's in English and Spanish, 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.000 and it's like in solidarity with our migrant neighbors, we're 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:56.080 not opening. Yeah, And like obviously it's a food cop right, 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:59.400 it's not a reactionary space that sort of planted a 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:01.040 seed for me, like, ah, like this is a big 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.240 ass business, you know, like like it's not a business 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:06.600 that necessarily relies on migrant labor. But I can see 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:08.199 it being a space for people who in solidarity. I 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:12.680 wonder how white that is right? And they even in 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.920 the time we've been here, I've seen businesses put those 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.600 ut that didn't happen when we were going out on Wednesday, right, 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:21.000 like people being like, nah, this isn't right, but yeah, 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:24.920 to go back. We What happened was that Margaret was driving. 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:28.200 I was riding next to Margaret. I saw a group 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.160 of people. One guy had kind of tanned for housers 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:34.480 on and I was like, stop, Margaret. Margaret slowed down, 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.520 signaled and turned into the parking lot that these folks 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.120 were at, and they immediately they had seen us right 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:42.440 ham on the brakes and turn up in a vehicle 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.960 with that estate plates. Then we then we better go 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:47.680 speak to these people. We probably scared them. 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.600 What's going is we thought we scared them. No, yeah, 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:54.520 they're not scared of us. No, they're looking to see 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:57.720 if they're on to us. It's such a huge difference, right, right, 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:00.680 because when people are scoping us out, they're not like, oh, 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:02.400 that might be ice. They're like, is that ice? 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:05.400 Let's fucking get them. Yeah yeah, Like if that's ice, 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:07.240 we need to roll, right, We need to we need 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:08.720 to let people know. We need to start honking, we 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:09.440 need to start whistling. 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:09.720 Yeah. 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:11.360 So we get out, walk over and we start talking 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.200 to these people, and like that. The person who was 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:18.120 most fourth, right, most forthcoming, was an older lady. I 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.040 mean she shared her rages. I think it's fine to 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:23.400 say I think seventy six. Yeah, it's probably a round 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:28.800 zero fair andheighth, like even like that warmer than that, right, So, like, 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:33.080 you know, mindus ten celsius something there. Yeah, not wearing 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:34.600 a hat, yeah, just give a fuck. 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.720 Yeah, I'm chilly in my like brand new winter clothes, 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:40.240 and I live outside in the mountain. I don't live 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:42.640 outside anymore, but I live in the mountains. 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:46.280 Yeah, yeah, I'm wearing all my nice technical gear show 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:51.880 on a Parker and yeah, and she's just like so zealous, 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:56.000 is like she's so happy to be doing what she's 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.480 doing and so proud of herself for being the person 0:15:58.520 --> 0:15:59.000 who did it. 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:01.840 Yeah. And she's not in an earnest way, like in 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:04.200 a way that in a self congratulatory way, but just 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.040 in a like I am one hundred percent convinced I'm 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:07.880 in the right and I will talk to you, yeah, 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:10.600 and I will say it with my whole chest. Yeah, Like, 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:12.280 do you want to share some of the stuff you said? 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:14.560 I thought it's really one of the things that she 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:17.320 said that, yeah, Like I mean, you know she I 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:21.080 didn't get the impression she was like a wild political 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.120 radical or something, right, and she's just like, you know, 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.920 my father fought fascists in France and Italy, and like 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:31.560 he would be proud of me, and like, yeah, I'm 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:33.800 sure he would be. Yeah, and I'm. 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:35.800 Sure it would be disgusted at what's fucking happening. 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:41.240 Yeah. And you know, and while we're talking, the Somali 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:44.800 family who's daycare it is, comes out and gives us 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.480 symbosas and we're like no, no, no, no, we're journalists. 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:48.440 You don't have to give us anything. 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:51.400 We're like, not even helping. We're like, they're like, you're here, 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:53.800 you're with us, you are taking food. 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:56.400 Yeah. I was like, no way, some monies we feed 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.440 people like, yeah, what's your deally vegetarian? We're like, we're 0:16:59.480 --> 0:16:59.880 with vegan. 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:00.280 Yeah. 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:02.360 So he comes out, goes back, comes out with the 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:04.520 vegan ones, you know, like and they were delicious. 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:04.840 Yeah. 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.040 No, there's some best foot I ever eaten. As we're 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:09.439 standing there, more people come and go. So you're like, Okay, 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.640 this is happening here, right, you know, no pun intended. 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:14.880 And we as we leave, we talked to a few 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:16.520 more people we leave, and and some of the other 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:18.320 people we talk to are like and the people from 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:20.679 different scenes, it's not you know, like it's not just 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:21.119 an old. 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:22.800 Lady scene, right, it's a diverse crowd. 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:25.760 Right. And you know, when we talk to a father 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:31.000 who I tangentially know through the metal scene, who is like, yeah, 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:34.160 my kid goes to school here. Yeah, like no one 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:38.159 is taking kids while I can stand here, you know, 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:39.960 And he was like, I have work to be doing it. 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:40.240 You know. 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:42.800 He's like, we're supposed to be recording this band today 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.440 or whatever. And he's like, no, I'm here, I'm doing this. 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.520 There's no sadness, you know, there's just. 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:50.440 So he's like, this is what I have to be doing. 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:51.840 It's the most important thing to do. 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:57.120 Every two blocks there are people on the corner. Yeah, 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:01.120 usually two people, sometimes alone. And those what we later 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:05.159 learned because we were like, holy shit, there's ice watchers everywhere. Yeah, 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:10.480 those are just the marked people we see. That's the minority. Yeah, 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:17.000 there are people driving constantly in very organized but entirely 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:22.439 decentralized networks of rapid response where they have come together 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:25.800 in these like hyper local Signal loops. Signal is an 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:31.879 encrypted messaging app that you can use on any device Android, iPhone. 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:36.199 The government can't break its encryption. However, there's no truly 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:37.000 safe system. 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:39.439 It's the safest one we have and it automatically deletes 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:40.760 mess ues after a period of day if. 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:42.520 You set it up to yeah, and which you should. 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:45.840 And so people are using this system, and you know, 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:47.760 a ton of these people had never heard of Signal 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:49.720 before in their life and now they're using this system. 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:51.800 And also we talked to folks and people felt that 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:54.600 like a certain level of transparency about the networks they're 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:55.719 building is very useful. 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:58.159 Yeah, we should probably address its head on, like just 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:00.720 to be super clearly. Yeah, I think we are sharing 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:04.320 is because people have implored us to share it. 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:04.679 Right. 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:07.840 We did not sneak in and find its information. People 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:10.399 openly gave it to us because they wanted you to 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:11.040 hear it. 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.879 Right, Because they understand that this is the kind of 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:17.640 system that is currently proving effective and they want people 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:20.560 to learn from what they're doing, and so they've created 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:26.040 hyper local systems like block by block. We have groups 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:29.000 where neighbors are able to check in on neighbors and 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:31.600 people are able to say, hey, I saw this thing right, 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:38.240 you know, And so there is constant presence all over town. 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.160 And when I say town, we spent our time in Minneapolis, 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:42.520 but we have talked to a lot of people always 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:44.640 say the same Paul is doing a similar thing, suburbs 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.560 are doing a similar thing. Even some small towns elsewhere 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:49.040 in Minnesota starting to do this. 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:51.119 Yeah, I don't quite know where the town is, but 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:53.359 if people are local, Like a few years ago, I 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:56.960 went to a massive renfare here and already outed myself 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.520