1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to Steph. 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: I never told your prediction of iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: Ah. And the time has come, and what time you 4 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 2: may all be asking? That time to bring in the 5 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: good old classics. Yes, for our book club, we are 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 2: finally coming to one of my all time favorites, Pride 7 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: and Prejudice by Jane Austen, And it's a truth universally 8 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 2: acknowledged that are now famous and respected. Writer Jane Austen 9 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 2: really was a woman beyond her time. So let's come 10 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 2: together and discuss one of her more popular novels, Pride 11 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 2: and Prejudice, which actually had a different title, but then 12 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: they changed it about and they're like, Okay, no, we 13 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: need to make it in this title, which is what 14 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: we know it. It's just Pride and Prejudice. Barely. There 15 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: was like several other books that had been I think 16 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: named that or something along those lines, and so there 17 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: was a lot of confusion and she went back and forth. Anyway, 18 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: it is now what it is, and sounded like she 19 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: did not make much money off of it, y'all. It's 20 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: a really sad life. She had a really kind of 21 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: sad life. It emulated a lot of through her books, 22 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: like you'll see things being told like the whole entailment 23 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: when there's not a son born that the like the 24 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: next male heir or like related relation will take it, 25 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: take over it. And like there was a bit where 26 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 2: one brother there's a book and I forgot which one 27 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: because I read it's been a long time takes the 28 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: takes the ownership. And in the wheel, they're like, can 29 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: you please take care of the mother and the daughters 30 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: And he does not. He like just pretty much just 31 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: cast them out. It was really sad and gross. Ah, 32 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 2: and it's kind of reminiscent to her life, like it's 33 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: not not great. She wasn't given to do even though 34 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: she had success pretty early on, she just didn't make 35 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 2: money off of it, which is all sad. 36 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:13,399 Speaker 1: Yes, and we have talked about that before. I feel 37 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: like it's come up in several episodes. I think it 38 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: even came up in our episode on women writing romance. 39 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: Briefly it came up. This was inspired by the fact 40 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: that I had read that after we read last month's 41 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: book club pick Pride, which was a remix of Pride 42 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,839 Speaker 1: and Prejudice, it came out. I had never read this 43 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: one I feel like we kind of talked about it 44 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,399 Speaker 1: in there, and we talked about it in some other 45 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: because I feel like I know, like the vague details 46 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: of this because you've told me, right, but I don't 47 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: know all the specifics right. 48 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: And I think I'm geting coviews because we did have 49 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: an expert who did tours or if you remember that 50 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 2: episode in England, which I still want to go on, like, 51 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 2: oh my god, I want to go. I want to 52 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: go to hear because I think I'm wrong in some 53 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: things because she did have brothers, they just ended up 54 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: being like not from a wealthy family, all these things, 55 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: but like her father was a scholar, all these different things, 56 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: and the book was initially called First Impressions, which is 57 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: I think it makes a lot of sense, like when 58 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 2: you think about all of that, and the pride and 59 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: prejudice came instead so so many different things. Uh, we 60 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 2: did have that episode. We probably need to bring it 61 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: back as a classic so I can be corrected. And 62 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: what I just said about Jane Austen, but she did 63 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: she was like, she did not live a rich life 64 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: and she was supposed to marry someone rich and then 65 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: that didn't happen. And all these things. So she wanted 66 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: to marry for love, and we really really like wrote 67 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: about the possibility of being able to do so, but 68 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: she didn't. Anyway, before we jump into the actual plot, Annie, 69 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 2: what are your thoughts now that I have forced you 70 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: into actually reading the original classic because I've made you 71 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: watch Bridget Jones' Diary, which is kind, which is a 72 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: retelling of that, as well as we read the book Pride. 73 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: So what were your thoughts? 74 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: It was really interesting to come from that perspective, and 75 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: I actually think it was sort of helpful because we've 76 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: also read Persuasions by Jane Austen and I really like 77 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: I enjoyed that too, but I got confused because of 78 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: the way they would refer to people, so like miss 79 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: whoever right, And there's just a certain part of my 80 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: modern brain that's like, that's your cousin, though, So I 81 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: would just get confused. So I think it actually helped 82 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: me to have read Pride first. I really enjoyed it. 83 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: I see why it's been such a lasting classic. It's 84 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: got so many great lines. It's very witty, That's why 85 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: I told you, And I know people have said that before, 86 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: but it's very witty. Like, Elizabeth has just got all 87 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: these comebacks, and they're so well thought out and fun. 88 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: They're fun to read. I enjoyed all of the like 89 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: relationships between like Elizabeth and her father, and then you 90 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: got the mother who's like worrying all the time. And 91 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: I also thought it was interesting because when you're looking 92 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: at the more modern take that Pride did their cell phones, 93 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: so things happen much quicker, right, So the whole thing 94 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,799 Speaker 1: with Lydia, I was like, well, wow, this is clearly different. 95 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: This is like much more stressful because we don't know 96 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: where she is. 97 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 3: We're just going by horsecarash to try. Yeah, there's my 98 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 3: favorite part. It's like the Overnight Express and all these things. Yes, 99 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 3: but yeah, and then also that's why I was like 100 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 3: originally telling you, I was like, I'm not sure how 101 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 3: they're going to do the Lydia the youngest child. But 102 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 3: because in this cake, she's fifteen runs away with a 103 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 3: twenty something year old. Oh, obviously they're like in fo grante. 104 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: As I say, uh, and her reputation would be shot 105 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: And I'm like, are they gonna have see because it's 106 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: supposed to be one of the things, like age difference 107 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: is one of those things as well, like all these 108 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: things and I'm like, how are they going to do this? 109 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: And she did a wonderful job, and what like what 110 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: would be the scandals today? That wasn't they're going to 111 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 2: put someone in jail? 112 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was it was still tense and pride. 113 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: It was just like resolved much more quickly. 114 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: Right right, right. She did a great job on that. Yes, 115 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 2: But yeah, so what would you wait it on the 116 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 2: scale of books they read that you've read. 117 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I really I don't know how to put 118 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: it on scales, man. But I did really enjoy it. 119 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: And it's funny because I all my friends growing up 120 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: loved it, and I just it was never like, oh 121 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: I won't read that. I just wasn't into romance, so 122 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: I just never did. But I did really enjoy it. 123 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: And like I said, I was like, oh, yeah, I 124 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: could see you told me you read it in like 125 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: one night. I was like, oh, I can because you 126 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: just like, oh, I want to see what happens next. 127 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: It was a really enjoyable book. And I think it's 128 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: pretty impressive that for you know, me coming into it 129 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: in the year twenty twenty four, that I was still 130 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: like oh yes, yeah, this is hitting. Yeah, yeah, Like 131 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: it was really enjoyable and it didn't feel like there 132 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: were certainly some things where I was like, oh, that 133 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: must be a thing at the time, but mostly I 134 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, this is still people are kind of. 135 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: Like this right, And you know what, I had to 136 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: come back at the end and say, as annoying as 137 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: the mother character is, she's not wrong in something, and 138 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 2: like I was like, yeah, I get it, I get it, 139 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: but yeah, let's jump into it and we're gonna start 140 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 2: with the characters because I feel like that needs to 141 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: be the breakdown first, or you're you're probably if you 142 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,239 Speaker 2: have not read it and you do like to read, 143 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: this is something that you should pick up if you 144 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 2: haven't already. I'm gonna be surprised if you haven't. But 145 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 2: for those of you who maybe like naysayers because you 146 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: don't understand the level of newness and freshness for this 147 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: book during this time and what she was saying about 148 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 2: society Austin in itself again going against the idea, Like 149 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 2: she understood the rules and followed them, however she really 150 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: felt like they were ridiculous, as we all do, I think, 151 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: and I think we're learning that more and more, and 152 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: then there's just the unfair fairness of it all as well. 153 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: But she also is like she's a girl's girl, but 154 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: not a girl's girl here I will say she has 155 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 2: like Elizabeth the main character. So there's a lot to 156 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: be said about this fun fact. Audible has it and 157 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: rosemand Pike is the one who reads it. So who 158 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 2: plays Jane in the newer adaptation with Kiera Knightley that 159 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: I hate of pride and prejudice HM, just so we 160 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: had that and she does squeak with the voices. It 161 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: really threw me off though. I was like, she has 162 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: a very shrill voice for the mother threw me off, 163 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: and I think it's also a kind of like higher 164 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: speeds those even shriller right in which she's voicing putpil 165 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: job because I do love Rozen Pike. She does a 166 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 2: great job. And so if you want entertaining to listen 167 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 2: and you needed a break from our podcast, which I 168 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: hope you don't take a break, but if you need, 169 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 2: you know, but something in between, you should listen to that. 170 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: So we have the Bennettes and relations and friends that 171 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 2: you should know about which the main character is Elizabeth, 172 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: who's the second oldest daughter in the Bennett family. You're 173 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 2: gonna hear most of it from her point of view, 174 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 2: or see it from most most of it from her 175 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: point of view and narrators. Obviously, we have Jane, who 176 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 2: is the oldest and fan west and kindest of them all, 177 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: kind mannered, best disposition, according to all of the narrations, 178 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: Mary the middle and the plain his sister really cruel, 179 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 2: but she's also very serious and scholarly and little too stoic, 180 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: to the point that she misreads the room a lot. 181 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 2: Then we have Catherine Kitty, who is the fourth daughter. 182 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 2: She doesn't get as much play because she's not seen 183 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: as much, but she's one of the sillier, as her 184 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: father would put put it, girls of the family. Then 185 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,479 Speaker 2: you have Lydia, who is the youngest and most spoiled 186 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 2: and very loud, and Kitty lives under her shadow, essentially. 187 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 2: Then we have mister Bennett, who is the father, who 188 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 2: is very sarcastic, very stoic, obviously, does not care much 189 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 2: for his wife in personality, but loves his all, loves 190 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 2: his family. But his favorite probably would go with Jane 191 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: and Elizabeth because they have the most sense. As he 192 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: would say, Then we have Missus Bennett, who is the 193 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 2: mother of very materialistic, very like, disingenuous, judgmental, a little 194 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 2: bit of a kypochondriac, and loves to tell people how 195 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: she suffers. Then we have Charlotte Lucas who is Elizabeth's 196 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 2: friend and their neighbor essentially best friend. Mister Collins who 197 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 2: is the cousin of the family and is the male 198 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 2: relation that will be owning a long worn after the 199 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: father passes away because he's the next male relative. Then 200 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: we have the Gardeners who hit the is. Mister Gardner 201 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: is the brother to miss Bennett, Missus Bennett the wife 202 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 2: and his wife who comes into play Missus Gardners. We 203 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: have mister and Missus Gardner. Then we have Darcy and Friends. 204 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: We have Fitz William Darcy who is the main love 205 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: interest male character, proud wealthy owner of Pemberley. We have 206 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: Charles Bingley who is a handsome, amiable, wealthy friend who 207 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 2: takes over Netherfield Park which is in that area Meryton 208 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 2: area as well. We have Caroline Bingley who is the 209 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 2: sister to Bingley, who is also very judgmental in high society. 210 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 2: Louisa Hurst, who is also the sister to Bingley and 211 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: her husband mister Hurst, who comes into play. We have 212 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: our Colonel Fitzwilliams, who is Darcy's cousin that comes just 213 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 2: for a slight scene, but fairly important. We have Lady 214 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 2: Catherine de Bergh, who is the aunt to Darcy, also 215 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 2: very important and the benefactor to benefactress I guess, to Collins, 216 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 2: mister Collins who has a daughter named Anne just you know, 217 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: she's not really big, but just you know, you know. 218 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 2: And then we have Georgina Darcy, who is the younger 219 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: sister of Darcy. 220 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 1: There you go, got it. 221 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: You're welcome. So here is a rundown. I thought I 222 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 2: thought it was gonna be quick, but it is not. 223 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 2: Because I am me and I love the story. Here 224 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 2: we go and go ahead and put this as a 225 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 2: kind of like a warning. I guess. I have watched 226 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 2: the BBC series way too many times to count, like 227 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 2: I own the DVDs. I have found them on Disney, 228 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: thank you very much, and I have repeatedly watched them 229 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 2: that I just recently watched them as I was also 230 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 2: listening to the book. Yes I did, so. Some of 231 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: these things overlap and how it happens because there's obviously 232 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 2: interpretations when it comes to the filming. Still the best 233 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 2: adaptation to me, of course, it's like eighteen twenty hours long, 234 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 2: and that's why. However, so if I get some of 235 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 2: these things mixed up because it was different on the show, 236 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 2: please forgive me. But it kind of runs in the 237 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 2: same line. And Annie, you're ready, we're gonna go through this. 238 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: I swear to got it fast, not right. 239 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 2: So we have the announcement with the infamous starting line, 240 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 2: It is a truth universally acknowledged that a single man 241 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 2: in possession of a good fortune must be in want 242 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 2: of a wife, obviously, and it begins with an announcement 243 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 2: that Netherfield has been let at last a very eligible bachelor, 244 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 2: which Miss Bennett has set her sights on for her 245 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 2: dear daughters. After some teasing and back and forth with 246 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 2: her husband, mister Bennett, finally it meant to having actually 247 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 2: made introductions to with the new gentleman of the neighborhood, 248 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 2: mister Bingley. So you have to do that first or 249 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: it'd be improper. They the women could not talk to him, 250 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 2: remember society. After an encounter at a neighborhood ball at 251 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: Bingley falls head over hills for the lovely Jane, which 252 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 2: comes to no surprise. We also meet the sisters Caroline 253 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: and Louisa, along with Bingley's best friend mister Darcy, who 254 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: was disliked from the moment he opens his mouth, Rude 255 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: and too proud many say about him, even to the 256 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 2: point that he refuses to dance at the ball, even 257 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 2: with the lovely Elizabeth, who finds it all a joke 258 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 2: and easily brushes the size and says, I wouldn't even 259 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 2: think about it dancing with him. He's fine, I don't 260 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 2: need him. And as for mister Bingley and Jane, they 261 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: seem to hit it off. Even the sisters. Bingley sisters 262 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: are incline to like her, even with the fact that 263 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: she is has unfortunate connections as a not high society. Later, 264 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: Jane is invited to Netherfield while the men are away 265 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: to visit with the sisters. Missus Bennett plots instance Jane 266 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 2: off on horseback instead of a carriage as it looks 267 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 2: like rain and she may have to stay at Netherfield 268 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: for a bit longer than expected. Jane ends up getting 269 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: a cold because yes, it does rain, and having to 270 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 2: remain there for a while and after the weather has cleared, 271 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: Elizabeth goes to visit and take care of her sister 272 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: at Netherfield because she can't leave her alone obviously, and 273 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 2: of course this leads to her having to interact with 274 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: the Bingleys and Darcy, where we find them having a 275 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 2: rousing discussion of false like pride and vanity. Yes, and 276 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 2: here's a quote. Yes, vanity is a weakness indeed, because 277 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 2: she accuses him of that. But pride, where there's this 278 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: real superiority of mind, Pride will be always under good regulation. 279 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 2: So he's like, that's not a fault, it's dis earned. 280 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 2: After an embarrassing visit from the mother at Netherfield, and 281 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 2: once Jane is finally recovered, they go home, but we 282 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 2: find out that Darcy is in danger of falling for 283 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: Elizabeth and her wit and her charms at this time Reiro. 284 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: Soon we have a very entertaining visit from the Bennett's cousin, 285 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 2: mister Collins, who has traveled there not only to reconcile 286 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: from past indifferences or past differences, but also possibly bridgid 287 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 2: tie in between tie between them and the Bennetes. Yes, 288 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: Collins being the next Bill in the family. Line will 289 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 2: be inheriting Longbourne and has plans of trying to marry 290 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: one of his cousins with the blessings of his patronage, 291 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: Lady Katherin de Bergh, who is rich and somewhat eccentric 292 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 2: and very narcissistic, but hey. After finding out that Jane 293 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: was unavailable, he decides on Elizabeth as his choice. Obviously. 294 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: All the while, the militia has moved into Meryton, to 295 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 2: the excitement of Lydia and Kitty and so many others. 296 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 2: Soon we meet Wickham, a handsome and very light man 297 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 2: of the militia, and of course we find out that 298 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: Wickham and Darcy have an unfavorable connection. Wickham just says 299 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: pretty much that Darcy lies, takes away his money, takes 300 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 2: away his home, and does not like him because Darcy's 301 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 2: father preferred Wickham over himself rout Row. That's a wretched 302 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: thing and very very unforgivable according to all the society 303 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 2: and Elizabeth, And soon Wickham shows his affections towards Elizabeth, 304 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 2: who doesn't mind it at all because he's quite nice 305 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 2: and quite nice looking. Later, the gardeners, the aunt and 306 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 2: uncle join who and they are really good influences to 307 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 2: the young ladies and someone Elizabeth sees as people of 308 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: good respect and opinions. Missus Gardner, however, advises Elizabeth to 309 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: be wary of Wickham and to remember her own status 310 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 2: and needs for a good marriage. You know, you have 311 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 2: to have a good marriage or are you going to 312 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 2: be sad? Soon we have a much awaited gathering, the 313 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 2: much weighting gathering rather at Netherfield with all the people, 314 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 2: including so militia. Unfortunately, Wickham was not able to make 315 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 2: it due to other matters, to Elizabeth's disappointment. But mister Collins, 316 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 2: who's still there, takes up her first two dances and 317 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 2: is very embarrassing and very clumsy about it all. He 318 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 2: just can't get it. Mister Darcy, however, also asks for 319 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 2: a dance, which Elizabeth agrees to after being too stunned 320 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 2: to reject him, and she tries to make conversation does 321 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 2: not go well. After some embarrassing interactions by her family, 322 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 2: Elizabeth and family go back home where the mother was 323 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 2: so excited about all these interactions and the possibility of 324 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 2: these good connections. Soon we have a proposal of marriage 325 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: from for Elizabeth from Colin mister Collins, who was rejected 326 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: and dejected and flees to the Lucas' home for a 327 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 2: reprieve because you know, embarrassment, and soon find out that 328 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 2: Bingley's and Darcy's have left to go back into town. 329 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 2: Oh no, as in London, like away from Netherfield. Because town. 330 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 2: And also, by the way, this is how I refer 331 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 2: to town and when I was growing up in North Georgia, 332 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: because it was far away from my house, so I 333 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 2: would go into town, right. He made fun of me 334 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,479 Speaker 2: for that, still do anyway. And at this point we 335 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 2: also find that Charlotte is engaged to mister Collins, to 336 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 2: missus Bennet's displeasure, because she wanted Elizabeth to marry him 337 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 2: as well as if I heard line, her home was 338 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 2: going to be taken over by the Lucases, how dare they? 339 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 2: And she's very mad at Elizabeth, very mad and all 340 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 2: the while, Wickham turns his attentions to a different woman 341 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: away from Elizabeth, who has a lot of money, and 342 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 2: Elizabeth accept that he has to marry for money as well, 343 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 2: so you know, understandable. Jane, in her heartbreak, goes off 344 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 2: with her aunt and uncle Gardner's, where she finds out 345 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 2: that the bingley sisters seem to know to want anything 346 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 2: to do with her, and that Bingley may soon be 347 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 2: married to Darcy's sister, Georgiana. Elizabeth embarks on a journey 348 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: as well to visit Chara at her new home with 349 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 2: mister Collins, and so many things happened, including getting to 350 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 2: meet the famous lady Catherine de Burgh, running into mister 351 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 2: Darcy and his cousin, Colonel William, who also takes a 352 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 2: liking to Miss Bennett as well, but also doesn't have 353 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 2: any money, so there's that. Soon, she finds out some 354 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 2: very important information. Darcy was intended to marry the Burgh's 355 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: daughter Anne, but Darcy wants to marry Elizabeth and proposes 356 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 2: in a very insulting manner, say that he wished she 357 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 2: didn't like her, essentially because she was so far beneath him, 358 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: so nice of him. Mister Darcy and Bingley's sister purposely 359 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: drove Bingley away from Jane and misled both of them, 360 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 2: and Wickham had lied about his entire situation, and that 361 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 2: actually Wickham had tried to take gotten money instead of 362 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 2: the building that he wanted because all he wanted was money, 363 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 2: and then tried after he ran out of money and 364 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 2: felt duped. He tried to run away with Darcy's younger 365 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 2: sister and make this a really bad situation, which Darcy 366 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 2: discovered them and quickly ran wick them out of town. 367 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 2: So all of that, remember that these are all the 368 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 2: things that she discovered. She was very, very very upset 369 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 2: when we were turning home, in so many secrets that 370 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 2: she had to hide, including from her sister that yes, 371 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 2: there was trickery into the demise of their relationship. So 372 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 2: decides to finally go on vacation with her aunt and 373 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 2: uncle Gardner. They all proceeded to tour Derbyshire, including the 374 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: beautiful land of Pemberley, which is owned by the Darcys, 375 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,959 Speaker 2: thinking that the owners were not home. But oh, Darcy 376 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 2: arrives unexpectedly is more and it's quite polite and very 377 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 2: very welcoming to her and her family, and throughout that 378 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 2: time she's there, they interact more, making Elizabeth slowly change 379 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 2: her mind about Darcy. Soon she meets his sister, Georgiana, 380 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 2: who she likes immediately, and then she also sees her 381 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 2: all acquaintance, says the Bingleys, including the sisters. Unfortunately, and 382 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 2: as everything seems to be going so well, Elizabeth soon 383 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,959 Speaker 2: finds out that oh no, her youngest sister has run 384 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 2: away with Wickham. Oh and she returns home quickly, but 385 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 2: not before telling mister Darcy all of these bad news, 386 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 2: and she knows and he knows what this is about. 387 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 2: And after returning home, she finds the home in a 388 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: terrible state and her father out searching for his daughter 389 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 2: along with her uncle Gardner. However, after many days of waiting, 390 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 2: good news comes and we find out that Lydia and 391 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 2: Wickham have married, so making it all right correcting this situation. 392 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: Later we find out that Darcy was the main reason 393 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: for this, and that he has financially backed the entire marriage. 394 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 2: Soon we have entertaining every interactions between Lady Catherine, who 395 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 2: comes to forbid Lizzie from even thinking about marrying her 396 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 2: Darcy because she's you know, he's intended for her daughter. 397 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 2: And after all that nothing comes about. A bit later 398 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 2: we have a happy ending that we've been waiting for 399 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 2: as Bingley returns and proposes to Jane and tells her 400 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 2: the truth of why he didn't see her and all 401 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 2: the things that had mistakenly happened, And that is soon 402 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 2: followed by Darcy proposing again to Elizabeth and this time 403 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 2: having a different reaction as well as the different approach, 404 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 2: and of course this shocks both her father and mother. 405 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 2: They're like what And soon they are married and live 406 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 2: happily ever after, with her father visiting Elizabeth and Darcy 407 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 2: often to get away from his family, and Elizabeth teaching 408 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 2: Georgiana to be a little shocking as she continues to 409 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 2: tease Darcy throughout their life, rest of their marriage and 410 00:23:43,280 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 2: life together the end. I love that ending. So in 411 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 2: the in the BBC series, they don't have that ending. 412 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: They just have them you know, driving away after their weddings, 413 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 2: so happy and finally kiss. Because they don't kiss. This 414 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 2: is kind of like a like a Korean drama, like 415 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 2: they don't kiss until they of course, to be fair, 416 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 2: it is like supposed to be based in that time, 417 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 2: they don't do that or dear. But in the book 418 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 2: you see a scene where she's teasing Darcy still and 419 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 2: the sisters just like blushing and shocked, but at the 420 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 2: same time like all loving the fact that she stands 421 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 2: up for herself essentially, and I love that scene. I 422 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 2: was like, that's such a great idea. And then also 423 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 2: we find out that Lydia and Wickham are not happy people, 424 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 2: but they're maintaining and often asking for money from them. 425 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 2: But we also don't see in the show where the 426 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: gardeners are so well respected. You get an inkling of it. 427 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 2: But in the book they really talk about how like 428 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: Darcy really likes them and realizes how upstanding these people 429 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 2: are and all they things. And I really like that 430 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 2: portion of the book. And I was like, oh, wish 431 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 2: there was a better way to interpret how good people 432 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 2: they are, because you don't really see that throughout. But yeah, 433 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 2: so that is the entirety of the book. To go 434 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: and watch a good adaptation. Go watch the BBC version, y'all. 435 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: We I was like, we should just do that as 436 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: our movie for this month. 437 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 2: That you were like that it's literally the same thing, 438 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 2: but like you should definitely watch it. Of course, there's 439 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 2: several several themes throughout the One of the biggest one 440 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 2: in this class uh. I think the constant back and 441 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 2: forth about status in class, whether it's about the minutes, 442 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 2: uh and their entailment. So we know if we find 443 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 2: out that level of like they're kind of lower on 444 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: the ranking because they don't have a son and so 445 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,959 Speaker 2: as soon as the father dies, they're screwed, essentially. And 446 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: then we have the whole conversation a bit again about 447 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 2: the gardener's being shopkeepers or lawyers, that that's not well 448 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 2: received and as part of society, even how mister Lucas 449 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 2: Colonel I believe, who is a gentleman and in part 450 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: of society, is still looked down on because he was 451 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: not originally knighted, and so he was knighted after the fact, 452 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 2: and they still looked down on him. About that, you 453 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: see that conversation with the Bingleys, the sisters being very 454 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 2: to do about this, and how they really did look upon, 455 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 2: look down on the people of the country side, essentially 456 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 2: of the American country side, and they were not impressed. 457 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 2: Neither was Darcy, and he wasn't it, And about that entailment. 458 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 2: The mother was really upset and could not understand why 459 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 2: this could stand. Of course, her harping at her husband 460 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 2: who had nothing, he could do nothing about it wasn't helpful, 461 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 2: But she's right, who why why can't they stand up 462 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,719 Speaker 2: against this? This is just absolutely unfair. 463 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,719 Speaker 1: She is correct, she is correct, And that was one 464 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: of the interesting things which I think is going to 465 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: go really well with the the next theme we're going 466 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: to talk about. But it was interesting to read from 467 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: that time how important it was, you know, to get 468 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: to marry off your daughters to someone will off hopefully 469 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: or you know, the thread of like losing your property. 470 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: But it was also kind of funny, like with Collins, 471 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: He's like, I'll ask her. She said, no, all right, 472 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: I'll try again later. Okay, no, okay, I'll try you. 473 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: What do you say? Like it was kind of that 474 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: very economic part of marriage, what marriage used to be. 475 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: That we were seeing a lot right this. 476 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 2: Right, and then there was a quote in there that 477 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 2: we didn't talk about because we the y'all. The scene 478 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 2: between Lady Katherin de Burgh and Elizabeth Uh, when Lady 479 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 2: Katheryn comes and like tells her she forbids her is 480 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 2: a masterclass of like being able to stand up for 481 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,959 Speaker 2: yourself and coming back. But at one point, like Katherine 482 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 2: does say, will the shades of Pemberley be thus polluted 483 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 2: by not only Elizabeth's stance in life, but also that 484 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 2: what has just happened between Lydia and Wickham? Because even 485 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 2: though everything kind of had been fixed, there's still a 486 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 2: bit of notoriety of what happened there, and the people 487 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 2: who knew about it know like this was not to 488 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 2: be had and this is definitely a no no. So 489 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 2: with that level of like that level of class, like 490 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 2: these are the people that you're with, these are the 491 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 2: people that you're associated with, which is a big conversation 492 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 2: that happens. 493 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: That was one of the reasons that it was so 494 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: Elizabeth was so upset when she heard it. It was 495 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: not only like, oh, I know Wickham and now my 496 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: sister's been drawn up in this. It was like, my 497 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: family is going to be associated with this, And that's 498 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: part of the reason why Darcy, despite hating Wickham, went 499 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: and tried to fix it, which in this case was 500 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: like Okay, you actually are going to have to get married. 501 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: But that was another instance of yeah, like the class 502 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: of it all being this is gonna really. 503 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 2: Bring us even lower, right like dess essentially, and then 504 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 2: of course another conversation with class is wealth. Wealth was 505 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 2: very very important, and they would compare who had the most, 506 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 2: essentially talking about King I think that's the girl that 507 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 2: Wickham goes after after he leaves Elizabeth because she had 508 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 2: she had inherited ten thousand pounds and that made her 509 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 2: very eligible and so like there's a line I think 510 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 2: they say about like, oh, yeah, so that is a 511 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 2: attribute indeed, like essentially like that is yes, yes, they 512 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 2: talk about the comparison to the fact that, yes, Bingley 513 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 2: has wealth, but Darcy has more wealth, like they have 514 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 2: a whole comparison of what that looks like. And honestly, 515 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 2: because Darcy and Bingley had so much wealth, they could 516 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 2: marry quote unquote someone who was less wealthy and less 517 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 2: u in standing in society, the Bennetts, even though they 518 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 2: were great. 519 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was interesting to see that the relationship 520 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: between Jane and Bingley because it sort of they sort 521 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: of just hit it off, yeah, pretty immediately, and the 522 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: mom was so happy about it. Missus Bennett was so 523 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: happy about it. She's like, ah, yes, it's gonna work. 524 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: But then you have like on Bingley's side, its sisters 525 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: being like no, no, yeah, even though they were so 526 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: they seemed like such a good match. 527 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:38,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, they initially liked Jane a lot, but they immediately said, unfortunately, 528 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 2: her conductions they're something to look at. And they all 529 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 2: were like no, no, no, no, no, even though they liked 530 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 2: Jane as a person, and they were like and yeah, 531 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 2: so that comes to our second theme, which is marriage. 532 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 2: Women must marry well or they are all doomed. So 533 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 2: at least one of them, as Elizabeth and Jane speak 534 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 2: it to each other, have to marry from because that 535 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 2: understanding is that they will take care of the rest 536 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 2: of the children and the mother when the father passes away, 537 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 2: with the assumption that the mother was going to live 538 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 2: outlive the father, which he, mister Bennett does say, I 539 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 2: might outlive you if we can just take that into consideration, 540 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 2: which is yeah, which apparently was a thing that there 541 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 2: was a lot of, like who's going to take care 542 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 2: of us? Who's going to take care of us? Someone 543 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 2: has to get married well, and you need to take 544 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 2: care of us, which again that didn't always happen. I 545 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 2: don't think, yeah, but I think they were given money 546 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 2: right to the family, like they were kind of giving 547 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 2: the dowry was from the woman though. 548 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean essentially women couldn't own property. Yeah, but 549 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: I think if like the man, they got married to 550 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: a wealthy man, then it's almost as if she gets 551 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: to keep the place. It's sort of like a I 552 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: don't know, consulatory prig right, but it's not Yeah, I 553 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: mean it was really you were just counting on the 554 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: guide to actually give you any money a lot of 555 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: the time. 556 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 2: Right, And then we have with that alliances the word 557 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 2: fortunate alliance has been made or the phrase has been 558 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 2: made was floated about. We see that with Lucas's talking 559 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 2: about Charlotte getting married to mister Collins who is under 560 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 2: the patronage of Lady Catherine de Burgh, and finding like, Okay, 561 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 2: you have made a good choice here because these alliances 562 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 2: allow us better reputation and better society. I guess role 563 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 2: of women and being out. We have that whole conversation 564 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 2: and the fact that there was a conversation in which 565 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 2: the fact that Jane and Elizabeth were not married but 566 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 2: the younger sisters were out before they were married, and 567 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 2: how that was kind of scandalous. 568 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I thought that was interesting too, because Lydia 569 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: has this whole thing where she's like, what if I 570 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: get married first? Like she was very motivated, which is 571 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: the society she was raised and it makes sense, but 572 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: she was very motivated to be like I could be 573 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: the first one, right that gets married. It was like 574 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: a power. 575 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, she has more desire, like they desire her more 576 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 2: and sofore she takes that trump and married women outstrip 577 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 2: single women in general. 578 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: Right, And so she was like, really, I'm going to 579 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: go I'm going to do it first. And that's part 580 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: of why she went and made this pretty reckless decision 581 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: at a very young age. 582 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 2: Right. And I'm assuming, like this is assuming because it's 583 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 2: not a part of the book at all. The reason 584 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 2: she came out in society so quickly, it's because she 585 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 2: was a brat and wanted to be a part of 586 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 2: like balls as such, and made her parents let them 587 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 2: all come out, like she's she asked the youngest all 588 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 2: of them had to. That's what I'm assuming. 589 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it would also make sense that had a 590 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: certain point. One, it's just easier if you've got four daughters, 591 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: just let them all go. But also like if you 592 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: are we need to find somebody a man, somebody's got 593 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: to get married. We'll put them all out there on 594 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: the field and see if one of y'all. 595 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 2: Can givebody anybody. Yeah, and then that comes to that 596 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,720 Speaker 2: whole competition and trying to get married quickly, the idea 597 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 2: of happiness and marriage or marriage and like a marriage 598 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 2: of love and money, And there's several quotes here, So 599 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 2: here's one. It says from Lizzie talking, I'm determined that 600 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 2: only the deepest love when me into matrimony. So I 601 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 2: shall end an old maid and teach your ten children 602 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 2: to embroader cushions and play their instruments very ill. So 603 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 2: the fact that she would not marry for money, that 604 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,399 Speaker 2: she would rather be in love and there's no way 605 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 2: that she would actually get married, and the idea, and 606 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 2: I think that may minic Jane Austen's real sense of marriage, 607 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 2: that she would rather not than doing a loveless marriage, 608 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 2: which is understandable. 609 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, again, I don't know much about this as much 610 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: about you, for sure, but like it does feel even 611 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: for people now, even for me, like I feel for women, 612 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,280 Speaker 1: marriage can be kind of a trap. I'm not saying 613 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: it always is, and I'm not saying it can't be 614 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 1: very healthy, but it does sometimes feel like you get 615 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: married and then you have to clean the house and 616 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: you have to do all like all these things come 617 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: with marriage for women that don't necessarily come with men, right, 618 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: And so to me, especially at this time when it 619 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: was you know, women couldn't really own property in most cases, 620 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: and there was all these expectations and all of that. 621 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: I can see why Jane Austin would have been like 622 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: this just seems like I can't do what I want right, 623 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: I can't like write the things I want or just 624 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: be who I am if I get married just for 625 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: this economic thing. 626 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 2: And you know, Austin doesn't even look at the dark side, 627 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 2: like she just looks at like this like boring and 628 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,439 Speaker 2: being suck in the loveless marriage side, like of course 629 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 2: it entails everything else, but she doesn't look at like 630 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 2: the depth of like control and darkness and things that 631 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 2: were happening during that time and still actually that like 632 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 2: oh yeah, this is people suffering and in these situations 633 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 2: and domestic violence situations. So she didn't even talk about that, honestly, 634 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 2: in which Jane kind of references do anything rather than 635 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 2: marry without affection. And then they imply the mother and 636 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:09,240 Speaker 2: the father that they see have married without affection, and 637 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 2: neither one of them want that. Neither one of them 638 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 2: want a marriage where one is condescending and the other 639 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 2: one is always complaining. So there's this level like back 640 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 2: and forth like yeah, they're the prime examples. I don't 641 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 2: think we've all been there of what not to have 642 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 2: in marriages or what they don't want to have in marriages. 643 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 2: And this was that moment of like seeing all of that, 644 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 2: and even the mother talks about the facts at one point, 645 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 2: like the fact that Jane Ann Bingley will be so 646 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 2: giving that they're going to run out of money and 647 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 2: Jay and they will be unhappy, and in which you 648 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 2: know or not that run out of money, that they 649 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 2: would be so kind that they will run out of 650 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 2: their good good will and kindness and their heart and 651 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 2: their love, and the mom's like, they have plenty of money, 652 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 2: they'll be happy forever. Like that's how one's the implication, 653 00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 2: which is not again, that's not the level of marriage 654 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 2: that Jane or Elizabeth want in this way. And then 655 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 2: we do have one character Charlotte, Charlotte Lucas who talk 656 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 2: about the fact that she did not have the option 657 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 2: to have a choice either she was going to be 658 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 2: destitute and alone or she's going to have to settle. 659 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,320 Speaker 2: So this line is in talking about trying to seduce 660 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 2: a man. This is trying to like trying to make 661 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 2: sure Elizabeth understands that Jane needs to show how much 662 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 2: she could be in love and there are and this 663 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 2: is there are very few who have hard enough to 664 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 2: be really in love without encouragement in that level, because 665 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 2: Jane was being too cautious according to Charlotte. And also, yeah, 666 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 2: Charlotte is the prime example of choosing marriage for contentment 667 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 2: and choosing what she can because she's described as being 668 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 2: also a bit plain. I think she's older, like mid twenties. 669 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 2: Oh no, right, but that's apparently real too old, like 670 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 2: the little spinster level. And so she had to choose 671 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 2: mister Collins and the fact that like, yes, he's a 672 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 2: ridiculous dude who is sexist, misogynist, and just like dumb, 673 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 2: he's not smart. This speech is so good, she writes 674 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 2: so well, it's so funny that she knows what she's 675 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 2: getting into, but she knows that this is the best 676 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 2: option she has in order to live a more fulfilled 677 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 2: quote unquote life where she can be taken care of, 678 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:29,720 Speaker 2: and that's what she says. 679 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting because Charlotte's and Elizabeth were 680 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: close friends. And then when Charlotte, after mister Collins had 681 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,360 Speaker 1: proposed to Elizabeth and said, well, you say no now, 682 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 1: but I'll come back and forth. Oh my goodness, that 683 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 1: was really interesting to me because it was so reminiscent 684 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: of things I've had or guys are like, I come 685 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: back later, I could change your mind. It's like, oh 686 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 1: my gosh, it was happening all to me. 687 00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 2: You're just teasing to make me. 688 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: The no means yes, right, But anyway, he does eventually 689 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: be He's like, okay, Elizabeth, no, but he goes to 690 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,840 Speaker 1: Charlotte and Charlotte says yes, and Elizabeth and Charlotte. Elizabeth 691 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: is really concerned that she's kind of let down, but 692 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 1: Charlotte said yes, and she's concerned about how their relationship 693 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,800 Speaker 1: will be moving forward, and Charlotte's kind of like, please 694 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: don't cut me out of your life. And Elizabeth does 695 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 1: go visit Charlotte and Lucas's. But it was interesting to 696 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:39,760 Speaker 1: read the I thought there are different takes on Charlotte 697 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,359 Speaker 1: being like, you know what, I have to do this 698 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 1: and Elizabeth being so, I'm only going to marry to 699 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,720 Speaker 1: Mary for love. But also we've talked about this before. 700 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,359 Speaker 1: You have friends and they get married and they move away, 701 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 1: and you're kind of like, okay, that relationship. 702 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 2: Changes, right right, well, you know, and Charlotte knows this 703 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 2: is about a change her relations ship with Elizabeth. There's 704 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 2: several things here that is happening though, because Elizabeth had 705 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 2: put Jane put Charlotte on her level and they thought 706 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 2: she thought they were on the same page essentially, and 707 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 2: that that Charlotte has Charlotte wasn't married because she wouldn't 708 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 2: settle was the idea, when in actuality, from Charlotte's standpoint, 709 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 2: she's never got given the opportunity to to say yes. 710 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 2: And for Charlotte, she doesn't care. She's not a romantic. 711 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,360 Speaker 2: She's like, I don't have these ideals like you. I 712 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 2: have not don't need all of that. I just need 713 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 2: to be no note that I'm going to be taken 714 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 2: care of and that I'm going to be okay, and 715 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 2: that he's not going to mistreat me as in like 716 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 2: abuse me, which was that conversation that happens. And then 717 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 2: Jane's being like, you need to be more understanding. This 718 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 2: is not the same place. And that's kind of where 719 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 2: the level like her prejudice, because if we have the characters, 720 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,399 Speaker 2: Elizabeth has prejudiced and Darcy has the bride, and that's 721 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 2: the level of conversation we have in this and so 722 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 2: that actually really does show Elizabeth prejudice towards this ideal 723 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 2: of marriage and the fact that she judges her judges 724 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,439 Speaker 2: Charlotte so harshly to that kind of like I can't 725 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 2: talk to her, I can't see her. She's changed for 726 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 2: me and I have like we've I think we've all 727 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 2: been there when people were like, why are you dating 728 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 2: that person? What reason? Like you know, and that's gonna 729 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 2: be like and I'm not coming around, not that you're 730 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,319 Speaker 2: with that person. We've definitely seen those things happen and 731 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 2: then that conversation and kind of like modern age, but 732 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,439 Speaker 2: the level of desperation that Charlotte felt is understandable during 733 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,400 Speaker 2: that time. And so I felt like, even though I 734 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,359 Speaker 2: love the character of Elizabeth, and I think Jane did 735 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,319 Speaker 2: it on purpose, Jane Austin did it on purpose in 736 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,319 Speaker 2: that making her show that this is a fault. This 737 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 2: is a giant fault that Elizabeth has where her prejudice 738 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,439 Speaker 2: and judgment is a little too much. 739 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely thought it was the interaction when Lydia 740 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: came back to like Elizabeth was rightfully angry, don't get 741 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: me wrong, but I thought it was really fascinating how 742 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 1: she was like, I have nothing to say right, you 743 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 1: could be gone right forever, Yes, both of you. Yes, 744 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,920 Speaker 1: because I feel like some of us can we've experienced 745 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 1: that where you're just like, you've caused me so much drama, pain. 746 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,440 Speaker 2: And in her mind she's cost her a huge relationship too. 747 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 2: At this point, she's thinking that Darcy is judging her 748 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,320 Speaker 2: and doesn't want anything to do with her or family 749 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,839 Speaker 2: because of what has happened, when in actuality, like there's 750 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,879 Speaker 2: different things happening, but like, yeah, like if she definitely does. 751 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,719 Speaker 2: And don't get me wrong, she's met at Lydia for 752 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,360 Speaker 2: her selfishness, which she knew was coming. She knew that 753 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,520 Speaker 2: Lydia was selfish, and yeah, but the next thing was 754 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 2: prejudice as well. That you know. I said, let's talk 755 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,400 Speaker 2: about first impressions, the name of the original book, and 756 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 2: how everyone disliked Darcy by judge Darcy because Darcy was 757 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 2: rude she was, and then but loved Wickham because Wickham 758 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,279 Speaker 2: was entertaining. And then it turns out the opposite, like 759 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,360 Speaker 2: one person has the good intentions and good goodness and 760 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,759 Speaker 2: the other one only pretends to be good. We had 761 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,120 Speaker 2: that level into that point that Elizabeth. It takes so 762 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 2: much for Elizabeth to change her mind. It takes like 763 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 2: giant stories, and she does not want to fact check anything. 764 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,160 Speaker 2: She just how could you not believe this? Of course 765 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,840 Speaker 2: he's telling the truth. The story is too precise because 766 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 2: she already had an idea about who Darcy. 767 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: Was right, and she wanted to to prove it right. 768 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 1: But it was the the dichotomy of like Jane being 769 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,760 Speaker 1: so trusting right, oh so like, oh no, they would 770 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:50,240 Speaker 1: never convince Bingley. Bingley's sisters convince him to go against 771 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,760 Speaker 1: too much. But then you have Elizabeth who's like almost 772 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: too sick, right, Oh, I knew it all along. He 773 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 1: was a bad guy. It was really fun to see 774 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 1: them interact and have their conversations about where Jane's like, no, 775 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 1: that can't be Elizabeth like. 776 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,879 Speaker 2: I mean, but I mean Elizabeth says that. At one point, 777 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 2: he's like, until I have your goodness, I'll never have 778 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:17,320 Speaker 2: your happiness. 779 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,279 Speaker 1: He's like, I can't understand how. 780 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,799 Speaker 2: Jade and she is. And of course the pride bit 781 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,879 Speaker 2: we know that it takes a long time because yeah, 782 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,120 Speaker 2: Darcy's proposal real bad. The first one was real bad, 783 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,760 Speaker 2: like insulting her in every way and then being shocked 784 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:33,920 Speaker 2: when she says. 785 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 1: No, Yeah, he's so taken aback, this could not be. 786 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 2: I'll give you I just can't. I just like relinted 787 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:50,439 Speaker 2: to finally liking you even though everything about you is awful. 788 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,839 Speaker 1: And he's given her like as the reader, you get 789 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,680 Speaker 1: insights into his feelings, right, and as the reader you 790 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,600 Speaker 1: kind of know where it's going. But he's really given 791 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:57,839 Speaker 1: her no reason to. 792 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 2: Right and like he's too honest. He is way too 793 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,919 Speaker 2: honest for this moment. Of course, he comes back around 794 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,719 Speaker 2: with the fact that Lady de Burgh comes back and 795 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,319 Speaker 2: first tells him, Oh, I'm going to tell him what 796 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 2: Elizabeth did to me being rude and standing up to me, 797 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,279 Speaker 2: and that's going to change his mind because he loves 798 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 2: me so much and he's like, oh she does like 799 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,400 Speaker 2: me still, let's go. It's that level. But yes, that 800 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 2: level of pride, and they finally kind of mesh together, 801 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:34,359 Speaker 2: come together and that wonderful union where everything is happily 802 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:39,400 Speaker 2: ever after and everybody has money, lots of money. 803 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:46,759 Speaker 1: Yep, the end, everybody has money. Hey, she found the 804 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:47,840 Speaker 1: love and the money. 805 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,399 Speaker 2: That's pretty good, Like she finally found it and good 806 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 2: on her, good on her. 807 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,279 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we also didn't mention she's very good at 808 00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:58,040 Speaker 1: playing the piano. 809 00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 2: No, she's kind of good. 810 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 1: Well. To me, it felt like he was entranced with 811 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:11,360 Speaker 1: her skills, yes, which I find to be a common 812 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:12,880 Speaker 1: trope in things. 813 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,319 Speaker 2: So I think the way it's supposed to be is 814 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,920 Speaker 2: that she's okay, but he loves it so much, right, 815 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,439 Speaker 2: and like she's like, yeah, I'm okay. I mean it's 816 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,560 Speaker 2: not great, but I can play. And then like he's 817 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 2: just like she's the most amazing. 818 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,600 Speaker 1: And there's a whole scene where Mary is playing and 819 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,320 Speaker 1: she's doing terribly and doesn't get the message. 820 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,600 Speaker 2: Oh that whole and they do it so well in 821 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:44,520 Speaker 2: the BBC where everything's like just compacted and you just 822 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,040 Speaker 2: feel the secondhand embarrassment because it's like echoed from Jane 823 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,920 Speaker 2: Analyzabeth's perspective. They're just like, how do we stop this 824 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,920 Speaker 2: train wreck? And they just can't and it just kind 825 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,480 Speaker 2: of echoes in her head. Later on, after he proposes 826 00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,800 Speaker 2: and pretty much reminds her all these embarrassing things he witnessed, 827 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,719 Speaker 2: she's like, ah, it's perfect. 828 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, So a lot of awkward, relatable scenes. 829 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,839 Speaker 2: Yes, So like these are the things that I love 830 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,920 Speaker 2: in this book, and to me, This is how like 831 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 2: the BBC portrayed the characters, how I read them better 832 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:23,040 Speaker 2: than the new version of condensed Karen Knightley version because 833 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,919 Speaker 2: this whole like, I think both Yeah, both made sure 834 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,040 Speaker 2: to have Darcy in like a wet shirt or like 835 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 2: at one point in time, because that's kind of the 836 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,320 Speaker 2: infamous thing. I will say. When you start the BBC series, 837 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,600 Speaker 2: it feels so over the top acting that it's a 838 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,200 Speaker 2: little cringe. You're like, oh, well, why did I think 839 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,400 Speaker 2: it was so much better? It gets better, they get better, 840 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,319 Speaker 2: but then they also have like I know, the fantasy level, 841 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,160 Speaker 2: but like the way they portray the father and the 842 00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,560 Speaker 2: mother characters really irritated me in the new one because 843 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,239 Speaker 2: the father character is so like he looks like he's 844 00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,759 Speaker 2: gonna cry all the time, and he just looks so 845 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,440 Speaker 2: weak and I'm like, that's not the character she built, 846 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:04,360 Speaker 2: like she wanted him pretty much disinterested and just annoyed. 847 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,440 Speaker 2: Uh So that's why I like, those characters are really 848 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:08,920 Speaker 2: important to me, and I was like, they need to 849 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,560 Speaker 2: be better. This needs to be better. Those are the 850 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,799 Speaker 2: big big things that I didn't like. I didn't like 851 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:22,800 Speaker 2: Karen night Lest Patrol Elizabeth. I did like the Jaine character. 852 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,880 Speaker 2: Rosemand Pike did a great job with Jane. 853 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:34,560 Speaker 1: Did be inaudible version anyway, that's wow. I love it. 854 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:36,239 Speaker 1: Eighteen hours you. 855 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,960 Speaker 2: Say, I don't know, I'm exaggerating. I don't know how 856 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,359 Speaker 2: many hours, but it's like, for all at least eight 857 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:49,080 Speaker 2: hours long. I think, Okay, wow, I buy Mike, just 858 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 2: put it on. Put in the background while you're doing 859 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:51,600 Speaker 2: your fan fiction. 860 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,680 Speaker 1: It would give me some inspiration for fans. 861 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,920 Speaker 2: It's been owe to fan fiction and the origination of 862 00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:57,800 Speaker 2: fan fiction. 863 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,240 Speaker 1: Austin Knights. Yeah, one of the first fan fiction writers 864 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,440 Speaker 1: that we know. M hm. 865 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,719 Speaker 2: And technically I guess like they're not fan fiction, but 866 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,600 Speaker 2: the reimagining of it is kind of that level. And 867 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,120 Speaker 2: I love every single one of them, essentially, except for 868 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,680 Speaker 2: the Karen Knightley one. 869 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,400 Speaker 1: We briefly talked about doing the zombies one yes. 870 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,440 Speaker 2: Dude, which you know that's not necessarily a bad thing. 871 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,480 Speaker 1: No, it is interesting that when zombies come in, the 872 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:30,680 Speaker 1: dude comes in. Yeah, maybe in the future, there's a lot. 873 00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,600 Speaker 1: This was a I mean, I don't think this is 874 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:38,080 Speaker 1: a surprise to anybody, but it was a hugely influential work. Unfortunately, 875 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,279 Speaker 1: it seems Jane Austin didn't make a lot of money 876 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,359 Speaker 1: from it, but it was It made such a big 877 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,720 Speaker 1: impact and we're still seeing it and feeling it. People 878 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,760 Speaker 1: still love it. There are tours that we are trying 879 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:51,239 Speaker 1: to go on. 880 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:52,520 Speaker 2: I really do want to go. 881 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,440 Speaker 1: I was the whole time I was reading this halfside. 882 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,680 Speaker 2: Like persuasions that makes you want to go to Bath. 883 00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:01,399 Speaker 2: I want to go to. 884 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,560 Speaker 1: I did renew my passport yesterday. 885 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:06,480 Speaker 2: Good. 886 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,319 Speaker 1: I don't know when it will arrive though, because there's 887 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,799 Speaker 1: a huge backlog, but yeah, when it comes, Samantha, I'm 888 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:23,960 Speaker 1: going maybe at least I could go right now. 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