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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome everybody.

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Speaker 2: Monday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 2: starts now. I am back from a little vacation. All

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Speaker 2: that costs, I believe, they would say in France, Terry

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Speaker 2: kept telling everybody that I speak French. Had to keep

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Speaker 2: telling them, no, I speak about two hundred words of French,

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Speaker 2: but I do it with enthusiasm. Play big fan of

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Speaker 2: a place I went through the weekend. But we'll talk

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Speaker 2: more about that later because there's a lot of news,

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Speaker 2: a lot of news.

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Speaker 1: To dive into today.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get to all of that, and we

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Speaker 2: could start by just mentioning Donald Trump's trial in New York.

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Speaker 2: I see some don't like it to be called the

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Speaker 2: hush money trial, which I suppose I can understand. The

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Speaker 2: bookkeeping error, thirty four count felony trial in New York

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Speaker 2: City a farce for anybody who believes in an actual

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Speaker 2: justice system or prosecution. It's outrageous and that's going on.

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk has come out and joined did you see this, Clay.

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Speaker 2: He's opposed to the banning of TikTok, which I was

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Speaker 2: very pleased to see. So it's now Buck Rand, Paul

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk, and a lot of twenty year olds who

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Speaker 2: make videos of.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, like dance. It's a lot of dancing

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Speaker 3: girls you Elon and a few other handful. I actually

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Speaker 3: pulled this on my audience and it was almost dead

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Speaker 3: to even fifty to fifty. My positions a little bit

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Speaker 3: in between. I think they should make China divest to

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Speaker 3: an American owned company. I don't want it to be banned,

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Speaker 3: but I also don't think if China's not going to

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Speaker 3: allow our tech companies to have full access to its country,

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Speaker 3: which it does not, then I don't think we should

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Speaker 3: allow Chinese tech tumblic companies to have full access to

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Speaker 3: our markets. So that's my kind of middle of the

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Speaker 2: So we've got the two big things taking up a

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Speaker 2: lot of the headlines today, which we're gonna be some

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Speaker 2: real time on. Oh just as a programming note, we

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Speaker 2: have Cash Patel, formerly of the Trump Department of Defense

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Speaker 2: and a likely Trump national security appointee down the line

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Speaker 2: for the next administration, which we certainly hope is going

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Speaker 2: to happen. And also our friend Carol Marcotz will be

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Speaker 2: joining because this madness on campus. You know, why don't

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Speaker 2: we why don't we start a bit with this today?

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Speaker 2: Because I was seeing this all over the place. I tried.

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Speaker 2: I actually stayed off Twitter or x whatever and the

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Speaker 2: news over the weekend. I was trying to focus on

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Speaker 2: drinks flavored with coconut and the beach. But there was

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Speaker 2: stuff going on, clearly, these protests going on at Columbia University.

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Speaker 2: You know play My dad was a student at Columbia

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Speaker 2: University in I think it was sixty eight when they

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Speaker 2: had a crazy protest going on there. Yeah, and they

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Speaker 2: had to bring in riot police. They had effectively over

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Speaker 2: the Vietnam War, seized buildings, right, students has seized buildings.

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Speaker 2: They sent the cops and people got you know, students

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Speaker 2: it was serious stuff. My dad was a student there

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Speaker 2: when it happened. He told me about it a few times.

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Speaker 2: Now we've got all these anti Israel protests going on,

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Speaker 2: and I'm one thing that I think is interesting is

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Speaker 2: it has now become clear, I believe Clay, that the

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Speaker 2: left cannot.

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Speaker 1: Control this movement.

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Speaker 2: This entity, meaning even in an election year, if they

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Speaker 2: think that it hurts their electoral prospects, they're not able

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Speaker 2: to say, hey, you anti Semites, shut up, you're causing

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Speaker 2: problems for us. Wait to be anti Semitic until after

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Speaker 2: we convince enough people to vote for Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think my big takeaway here, and it's been growing

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Speaker 3: semitism problem. And what I would point to is Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden claimed that the reason he ran for president in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty was because of what he saw happen at Charlottesville.

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Speaker 3: Charlottesville is a pen prick of what happened from an

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Speaker 3: anti Semitic perspective. With what we're seeing happen right now

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Speaker 3: I think at NYU as well, they're taking over the

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Speaker 3: to say we demand that you divest all of your

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Speaker 3: I think it's clear also that the left has no idea,

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Speaker 3: in many ways because especially if you're Jewish, this hearkens

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Speaker 2: So there there's a clear echo here of the Occupy

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Speaker 2: Wall Street protests, right if if you recall Occupy, this

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Speaker 3: Beginning you covered the Wall Street protests back in the Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I remember I was working for Glenn Beck at the

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Speaker 2: Blaze at the time Glenn started my career. Thank you, Glenn,

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Speaker 2: And I said, there's some weird protests, you know, because

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Speaker 2: there was so this was because of Twitter at the time,

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Speaker 2: there were some weird protest going on downtown and it

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Speaker 2: was about Wall Street bailouts kind of, and I went

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Speaker 2: very rapidly turned into this encampment. Now people have said,

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Speaker 2: the little clever phrase that's bandied about is that it

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Speaker 2: was more of a meme than a movement. It was

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Speaker 2: really just about creating this short term, this short term

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Speaker 2: notion of occupying public space, or that's what they did

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Speaker 2: in Columbia in sixty eight as well as other schools,

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Speaker 2: right the students took over physical buildings and said, come

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Speaker 2: and get us. We're in charge now. So there's an

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Speaker 2: echo here of the Occupy Wall Street movement or the

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Speaker 2: even the nineteen sixty eight student radicalism that has occurred.

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Speaker 2: Because they're calling it a gaza solidarity encampment, I mean,

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Speaker 2: they might as well just call it occupy. You know,

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Speaker 2: I don't know occupy gaza, that would be a different connotation.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it's an occupy movement in essence, and

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Speaker 2: they're planning clay to do this at campuses all across

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Speaker 1: You I did see what was it.

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Speaker 2: nonsense and the they basically dropped the hammer and said

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's starting.

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Speaker 3: And you've asked this question before about how sort of

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Speaker 3: when a group of BLM protesters took over the Missouri

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Speaker 3: and it spread to the point where athletes were saying, oh,

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Speaker 3: it was a total sham, but it took over the

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Speaker 3: University of Missouri and honestly had a multi year devastating

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you've been to Columbia.

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Speaker 3: It's a fantastic school, has a great journalism school, to

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Speaker 3: the extent that we still believe that journalism is something

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Speaker 1: Journalism is the.

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Speaker 2: Biggest waste of time of any so called academic pursuit.

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Speaker 2: You want, you want to be a journalist, learn how

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Speaker 2: to read, write, and pursue the truth. I founded a

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Speaker 2: media company. I don't think I've ever had a journalism degree,

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Speaker 2: I mean, or a class. I mean, you could easily

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Speaker 1: But I just saw this. I don't know how this

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Speaker 3: The part of me thinks, buck that the best thing

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Speaker 3: so you're going to have commencements that will probably be

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Speaker 3: for campus, and they go from campus, they go back

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Speaker 3: what in the world.

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Speaker 1: Were you doing?

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Speaker 3: And I imagine there's a lot of parents and grandparents

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Speaker 3: I saw this right before we started. The owner of

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Speaker 3: Jewish students are safe on campus. And that, to me

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Speaker 3: is what everybody who's a donor should be doing. I

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Speaker 3: They didn't have class today for many people on Columbia's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for safety issues. I mean, think about this. They've

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Speaker 2: These years trying to restrict conservative speech, which is always

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Speaker 2: in favor of lawfulness but also freedom of speech. They've

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Speaker 2: great irony of all this, the people Clay that they

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Speaker 2: issue of they can't hear other ideas. Those emotionally unstable

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Speaker 2: them and saying things that are reminiscent of some of

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Speaker 2: had heard in the twentieth century to your earlier point.

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, the.

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Speaker 2: Universities look at so much of this too. And I

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Speaker 2: saw somebody who who I can't remember who was said

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Speaker 2: this on us. You know, it's just benefit fitting state schools, honestly,

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Speaker 2: community colleges, trade schools. It's really just an elite status

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Speaker 2: game now going to all those places, going to Columba University,

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Speaker 2: it does not make you a smarter or better person

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Speaker 2: by a long shot. In fact, these for and this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't know, And this is a big

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Speaker 3: The only reason why he would give her one hundred

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Speaker 3: and thirty thousand dollars is so her story wouldn't come out.

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Speaker 3: She got the money and she told her story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, she doesn't really have a lot of

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Speaker 2: integrity to protect. She's not running for president. I don't

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Speaker 2: think anybody really can get about.

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Speaker 3: But the whole premise, I'm like the only person who

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Speaker 3: cares about NDAs on the planet.

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Speaker 1: But maybe I'm rare in this.

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Speaker 3: I sold Fox out kick and I signed an NDA

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Speaker 3: saying I wouldn't say what I sold it for. I'm

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Speaker 3: like the only person who's ever sold this company that

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Speaker 3: didn't immediately go and leak the whole value of the

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Speaker 3: entire deal to the New York Times or c NBC

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Speaker 3: or whatever. Else, because everybody else seems to leak these NDAs.

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Speaker 3: I've never signed an NDA for anything certainly like this,

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Speaker 3: or sought in one for anything like this.

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Speaker 1: They're paying for it.

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Speaker 2: They're generally pretty hard doing force. I mean, that's and

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Speaker 2: I think that's why. I think that's a good thing.

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Speaker 2: But if she.

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Speaker 3: Had come out and just told her story, I don't

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Speaker 3: buy into the even the premise here of Alvin Bragg,

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Speaker 3: which is that the people were defrauded because this could

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Speaker 3: have changed the outcome of the election.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's.

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Speaker 3: Remotely true, which circles back around to this has nothing

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Speaker 3: to do with any kind kind of legitimate notion of justice.

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Speaker 2: I mean, claid, this is the equivalent in terms of abuse.

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Speaker 2: And we did ask Andy McCarthy about this, and I've

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Speaker 2: talked to him many many times about when he was

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Speaker 2: prosecuting drug trafficking, for example, as in the Southern District

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Speaker 2: of New York. You know, Cartel's getting what's the biggest

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Speaker 2: drug market in the United States, New York. We always

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Speaker 2: think of the drugs coming from Columbia and then Mexico

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Speaker 2: later on, but New York was the single biggest transshipment

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Speaker 2: or rather distribution point for the rest of the country.

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Speaker 2: And it would be like if you arrested somebody and

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Speaker 2: you had them on video and they had a brick

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Speaker 2: of cocaine, you charge them a separate possession crime for

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Speaker 2: every time that they touched the one brick of cocaine.

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Speaker 2: This is not an exaggeration. That is what they are

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Speaker 2: doing with the thirty four counts. They are undermining. Bragg

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Speaker 2: is undermining any sense that someone could have that he

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Speaker 2: is using the law in good faith. What he's really

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Speaker 2: showing is he doesn't care. This is an explicitly political process.

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Speaker 2: Should and I know that, you know, we kind of

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Speaker 2: think that Trump. I worry a little bit that we

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Speaker 2: get to this mindset of Trump is effectively indestructible. Like Trump,

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Speaker 2: you just you can't stop this guy. And we've seen

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Speaker 2: a lot of that so far. But I don't think

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Speaker 2: we should. We should underplay just how evil this is.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Alvin Bragg is going forward with a scheme

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Speaker 2: to prosecute an American. Put aside that it's Trump, put

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Speaker 2: aside that he's a presidential candidate and is the most

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Speaker 2: famous guy probably on the planet. I think it's fair

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Speaker 2: to say he's doing this to somebody and at least

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Speaker 2: theoretically putting in a position we could spend the rest

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Speaker 2: of his life in prison. Clay, Yeah, like, what is that?

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Speaker 2: Who could do that? I mean, who could put somebody

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Speaker 2: through that based on this a person who is deranged?

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's something evil actually underneath all the silliness

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Speaker 2: and the obtuse nonsense, that this is the state being

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Speaker 2: abused against somebody in a way that should make us

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Speaker 2: all really uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: You're right about that.

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Speaker 3: Also on an individual level, the physical and mental strain

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Speaker 3: involved in being in a courtroom on trial is a

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Speaker 3: level of stress that most Americans would struggle to bear

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Speaker 3: at any age. They're trying to do this to Trump

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Speaker 3: in four different jurisdictions, and I actually think we're sweeping

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Speaker 3: under the rug. I say we collectively as commentators, the

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Speaker 3: direct election interference designed in not only having him forced

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Speaker 3: to be in a courtroom Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday throughout

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Speaker 3: this entire process, but the mental and physical strain it

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Speaker 3: puts upon him and his inability to otherwise be out

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Speaker 3: on the campaign trail where he is excellent. I don't

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Speaker 3: think it's coincidental that they've been trying to slide Biden

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Speaker 3: into all the Midwest states for events with these awful

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Speaker 3: these awful visits to the gas stations that we've seen

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Speaker 3: trying to stack up wins just based on getting out

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Speaker 3: I know, is in North Carolina over the weekend, and

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Speaker 3: I understand that he's going to be keeping up the

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Speaker 3: idea is a schedule that is very aggressive to allow

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Speaker 3: he can. I know he did the Harlem event, basically

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Speaker 3: went to the bodega where the individual was charged with

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Speaker 1: He was attacked. All of those things factor in.

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Speaker 3: But this is a calculated attempt to limit his effectiveness.

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Speaker 3: And the only reason they're not going to have him

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Speaker 3: on trial basically from April all the way until election

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Speaker 3: day is because the Supreme Court might not allow it. Otherwise,

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Speaker 3: the goal was to stack him from one courtroom to another.

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Speaker 3: If this is the most outrageous election interference scheme from

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Speaker 3: the party that claims they care about democracy and freedom

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Speaker 3: And the only way I think you destroyed the precedent

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Speaker 2: Today, our friend Cash Patel is joining US former DoD

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Speaker 2: chief of staff, former federal prosecutor, and public defender. He

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Speaker 2: has selected sixty juries for trial service. Cash been a

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Speaker 2: bit my friend.

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Speaker 4: How you doing, Hey, creasy to be with you guys.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, absolutely, So let's start the two big news

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Speaker 2: items today. A lot of campus anti Israel stuff, but

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Speaker 2: also the Trump trial that is going on, which is

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Speaker 2: in some ways it's still hard to believe even though

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Speaker 2: it's happening. This is where we are as a country.

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Speaker 2: This is what's happening. This is what's underway. What's your

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Speaker 2: sense of ben, I'd start with this. Do you feel

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Speaker 2: like there's any chance that anyone on this jury might

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Speaker 2: be fairly disposed toward the truth of this case and

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump in general?

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Speaker 4: Look, there's always a chance, but there's a reason I

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Speaker 4: live in Las Vegas and don't gamble as often as

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Speaker 4: I used to, and people are gambling on this trial

581
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Speaker 4: will probably lose. The reality is what is happening. The

582
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Speaker 4: tragedy is the destruction of due process. And for some reason,

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Speaker 4: these prosecutors and judges have teamed up to think that

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Speaker 4: the system of due process under the Constitution no longer

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Speaker 4: applies to Donald Trump, or that they can selectively apply

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Speaker 4: to him in pieces. And what I mean by that

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Speaker 4: is just look at the opening statement today. The lead

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Speaker 4: prosecutor who used to be the number three prosecutor at

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Speaker 4: the Department of Justice, he gave the opening statement, this

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Speaker 4: guy Colangelo, and he said he told the jury donald

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Speaker 4: Trump is here because of a criminal conspiracy related to

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Speaker 4: election Trump. Now, the Constitution forbids specifically any mention of crimes,

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Speaker 4: not charging the indictment to be presented to the jury,

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Speaker 4: but this judge, of course lapped it up and allowed it.

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Speaker 4: There is no charge of conspiracy anywhere in the indictment.

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Speaker 4: And all they continue to do is shred to do

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Speaker 4: process rights of Donald Trump and that of the Constitution

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Speaker 4: in the process and weaken our system of justice.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a really important point you just made.

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Speaker 3: Who exactly is involved in this trial. The Biden administration,

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden himself, many of their allies in the media.

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Speaker 3: They regularly. I was reading the Times this morning, laying

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Speaker 3: out in Sunday, laying out all their analysis and reading

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Speaker 3: all their articles, saying, Oh, there is no grand conspiracy

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Speaker 3: against Donald Trump. This is just happens to be Alvin Bragg,

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Speaker 3: It just happens to be Fanny Willis. Jack Smith is

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Speaker 3: totally independent. Merrick Garland's not involved in these cases. What

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Speaker 3: did you just say? I think this is so important.

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Speaker 3: The former number three position at the Department of Justice

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Speaker 3: is now prosecuting a state court case.

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Speaker 1: Now you have a little bit of a background in this.

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Speaker 3: In general, wouldn't this be akin to being a major

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Speaker 3: leaguer and going back to a ball? In other words,

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Speaker 3: you would want to be as high as you could

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Speaker 3: be in the Department of Justice, number three overall in

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Speaker 3: the DOJ. It's a big friggin deal when it comes

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Speaker 3: to trial prosecution a state court in Manhattan. Is that

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Speaker 3: not a crazy, decent analogy and a sports perspective, it'd

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Speaker 3: be like if you made the major leagues deciding to

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Speaker 3: go back to single A or double A ball to

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Speaker 3: prosecute a state city court crime like this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, as a sportsman, I love the analogy, And look,

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Speaker 4: you're absolutely right. What it shows is the two tier

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Speaker 4: system of justice. And just to highlight the importance of this,

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Speaker 4: the number three. There's the Attorney General, the Deputy Attorney General,

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Speaker 4: and then this guy who used Colangelo, who used to

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Speaker 4: sit at the head of the Civil Rights Division as

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Speaker 4: the p DAG and now he has left that job,

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Speaker 4: gone on to join Bragg's team, and not just quietly

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Speaker 4: joined the team. He delivered the opening statement. And this

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Speaker 4: guy who's been a career prosecutor who knows you cannot

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Speaker 4: tell a jury about any uncharged crimes, opened with just that.

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Speaker 4: And that shows you the level of connective connectivity between

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Speaker 4: the DJ, the Biden administration, and bragged office. And so

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Speaker 4: when people say, oh, no, there's no conspiracy here, well,

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Speaker 4: there's no such thing as coincidences in the United States government,

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Speaker 4: certainly not at Joe Biden and Merrick Garlands DOJ. And

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Speaker 4: now we're seeing it front and center, and this judge

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Speaker 4: is allowing it all to happen.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Cash but Cash matel formerly of Trump's DoD

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Speaker 2: he was chief of staff at the Pentagon. Cash and

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Speaker 2: also former federal prosecutor ysh. If they find Trump guilty,

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Speaker 2: and we know that's an if we who knows where

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Speaker 2: the jury's going to go with this, What do you

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Speaker 2: think will happen and how quickly do you see it happening.

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Speaker 4: Well, what's supposed to happen, especially in a case like this,

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Speaker 4: is that there would be an appellate process and the

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Speaker 4: defendant would remain out of custody because this is a

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Speaker 4: nonviolent crime and you're talking about an individual who has

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Speaker 4: literally zero criminal history, and we're talking about an instance

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Speaker 4: where there are allegedly, excuse me, there are no victims

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Speaker 4: of violent crimes. But what will happen here is this

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Speaker 4: judge will probably take matters into his own hands, continue

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Speaker 4: to create a new system of justice and try to

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Speaker 4: probably imprison Donald Trump and deny him his appellate rights

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Speaker 4: that the constitution allows. So it's going to be a

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Speaker 4: very very unfortunate series of events if Donald Trump is convicted,

658
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Speaker 4: because it would be unlawful and unconstitutional. But then what

659
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 4: this judge could do to him is completely remove him

660
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Speaker 4: from the campaign trail, which that is as clear impetus.

661
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Speaker 4: If you've ever watched even just one day of this trial,

662
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Speaker 4: this judge has made up his mind, like Judge and

663
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Speaker 4: Gorn did in the civil case that just happened before

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Speaker 4: this one. These guys have convicted Trump in the court

665
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Speaker 4: of public opinion and are going to convict him in

666
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Speaker 4: their own courtrooms. They're just waiting for the process to

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Speaker 4: play out.

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Speaker 3: Cash, How do you break down the other cases you've

669
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Speaker 3: been involved in the criminal court system before on As

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Speaker 3: for as crazy as this New York City case is, Thursday,

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Speaker 3: we have the presidential immunity case that's being argued the

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Speaker 3: oral arguments in front of the Supreme Court. Presumably sometime

673
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Speaker 3: in June we'll get that decision, as well as the

674
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Speaker 3: Fisher case having to do with whether or not you

675
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 3: can prosecute for effectively impeding official proceedings, as has been

676
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Speaker 3: occurring with many of the January sixth related charges. How's

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Speaker 3: the timeline work to you for this? Do you think

678
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Speaker 3: that the New York City case is the only one

679
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Speaker 3: that would go all the way through and get a

680
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Speaker 3: jury verdict or do you think there will be a

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Speaker 3: possibility of another case as well between now and November fifth.

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Speaker 4: Well, again, if we were on the normal timeline of justice,

683
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 4: these cases would not even be charged this year. They

684
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Speaker 4: would be charged later, and the timeline for average prosecution

685
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 4: is two to four years, but they took the hov

686
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Speaker 4: lane because it's Donald Trump. Now we'll see what the

687
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Speaker 4: Supreme Court decides, but it's unequivocally, in my opinion, executive

688
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 4: privilege for the president who have acted the way he did,

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Speaker 4: and that should apply here. It's also another indication that

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden, who personally had to dissolve executive privilege for

691
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Speaker 4: the DOJ to bring that prosecution in DC and Florida.

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Speaker 4: He had to personally get involved. So when he says

693
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Speaker 4: I'm not involved, that's another charade. But once the Supreme

694
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 4: Court decides on that case, and also the obstructioning case,

695
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Speaker 4: which is a very important point you bring up, the

696
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Speaker 4: Supreme Court, i believe, is going to deny the use

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Speaker 4: of the substruction statute which is from the Endron financial

698
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 4: crimes fiasco, and they're going to throw out three hundred

699
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Speaker 4: plus convictions related to January sixth, and that should upend

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Speaker 4: the entire timeline of any of the trials forthcoming. But

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Speaker 4: we don't know what these district court judges who are

702
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Speaker 4: going to do, like Chutkins, who have already basically stated

703
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 4: that Donald Trump is a threat to democracy and they

704
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Speaker 4: want him to move from the electoral process.

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Speaker 2: Speaking to Cash Patel, former federal prosecutor, Cash, Trump is

706
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Speaker 2: facing all this stuff? How is he able to hold

707
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Speaker 2: up under under all of it? You know, with multiple

708
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Speaker 2: criminal prosecutions. I mean, I know you and the president

709
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: are in contact, and he knows you well, and you

710
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: may well be a senior figure in his next administration.

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00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: Not to get too far ahead of things, but that's

712
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Speaker 2: very possible here. How is he able to do this

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Speaker 2: run for president with four absolutely insane federal or sorry,

714
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: felony criminal indictments three well sorry too, federal and two

715
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: state against him?

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Speaker 1: Right now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? You know, I was just with the President the

718
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Speaker 4: other week and it's a you know, it's a conversation.

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Speaker 4: Many of my conversations I don't reveal, but this one

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Speaker 4: I'm happy to you know. You know, I asked him,

721
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Speaker 4: as a president, how do you deal? This is exact question.

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Speaker 4: You know, you're being falsely prosecuted, they're tanking away your money,

723
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Speaker 4: they're coming after your family, they're defaming you constantly. And

724
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Speaker 4: his answer is really simple, He goes, Cash, the future

725
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 4: of this country is at stake, and he will not

726
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Speaker 4: let it fail on his watch. And I think that

727
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 4: drives him every single day that he wakes up, and

728
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Speaker 4: he says when the other side says, oh, Donald Trump's

729
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 4: just in for the money and fame, well the reality

730
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Speaker 4: shows it's the opposite. He's fighting for everybody else's right

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Speaker 4: to have same, to have money, to have the right

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Speaker 4: to be an American citizen. And that energizes him more

733
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Speaker 4: than anything I've ever seen. And I don't think you're

734
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Speaker 4: going to see Donald Trump slow down. Every time they

735
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 4: throw an arrow at this guy, he ingested, and he

736
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Speaker 4: becomes the juggernaut of justice and rolls down the street,

737
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Speaker 4: whether it's in New York, d C. Florida, or elsewhere,

738
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Speaker 4: and convinces more and more Americans that this two tier

739
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Speaker 4: system of justice has been weaponized for political purposes. And

740
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Speaker 4: he's asking Americans not only to recognize that, but to

741
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Speaker 4: go to the polls in November and elect him so

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Speaker 4: we can fix our constitutional republic.

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Speaker 3: Last question for you, and I think you kind of

744
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Speaker 3: hinted at this at the beginning. This is obviously a

745
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Speaker 3: rigged jury that eighty seven percent of people voted against

746
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump in this jurisdiction based on analyzing the twelve jurors,

747
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Speaker 3: the six alternates everything else. What do you think the

748
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Speaker 3: chances are, first of all, of a not guilty verdict?

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Speaker 3: Buck and I both put that at zero. Do you

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Speaker 3: think there is and I'm curious if you would agree

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Speaker 3: with that. Do you think there is potentially a juror

752
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Speaker 3: on this trial that might be willing to refuse to

753
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Speaker 3: vote to convict and essentially give what would be a

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Speaker 3: win I think through a hung jury, based on what

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Speaker 3: you've seen, based on your analysis of this case, how

756
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Speaker 3: would you assess that probability?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, going back to my public defender days and

758
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Speaker 4: my federal public defender days, where I defended scores of

759
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Speaker 4: criminals in front of scores of different juries in different

760
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Speaker 4: court roads, we always used to say the phone, you

761
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Speaker 4: just need one. You don't need all twelve, you just

762
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Speaker 4: need one. And that's what you guys are talking about

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Speaker 4: to get to a hung jury. Now. I think the

764
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Speaker 4: chance is that one of those twelve jurors agrees with

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump's presentation of the evidence is strong. But the

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Speaker 4: chance that that same juror which stands the scrutiny that

767
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Speaker 4: is going to come at his way from the media

768
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Speaker 4: and the rest of the jury and the world, because

769
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Speaker 4: this is the most important criminal prosecution in literally US.

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Speaker 4: If history is not the world, that may fold that juror,

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Speaker 4: that may succumb him to the pressures of the outside.

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Speaker 4: But if the jurors actually stuck to the facts and

773
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Speaker 4: the law, there's no way any of the twelve would

774
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Speaker 4: convict Donald Trump because there is no crime here. It's

775
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Speaker 4: not a hush money case. It has to do with

776
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Speaker 4: ledgers and payments made to a lawyer, all of which

777
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Speaker 4: is above board. But I think Donald Trump's attorneys are

778
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Speaker 4: looking for that one attorney and there's a chance that

779
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Speaker 4: they find him cash.

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Speaker 5: Oh thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Now, let's talk about what is going on here on

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Speaker 5: So these protests have been allowed to fester on these campuses,

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Speaker 5: They blocked Jewish kids and Jewish professors from accessing the campus.

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Speaker 5: They've been doing some really crazy things. And it's wild

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Speaker 5: because I think if any other group was being targeted

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Speaker 3: Are Jewish people recognizing now? Buck and I have been

845
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Speaker 3: talking about this, Carol, thanks for joining us. Yeah, that

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Speaker 3: you guys are just seen as white people and it

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Speaker 3: but many people have tried to stand up in the

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Speaker 3: Jewish faith for oppressed people for generations.

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Speaker 1: And then you get attacked.

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Speaker 3: Twelve hundred us get killed for being Jewish and it

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Speaker 3: doesn't even matter because people in America now on the

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Speaker 3: left see you as white. Is this registering with traditional,

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Speaker 3: maybe Democrat Jewish voters in a way that over the

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Speaker 3: last several years it hadn't, I hope.

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Speaker 5: So I think about this a lot, and I write

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Speaker 5: about it and look at the numbers a lot. There

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Speaker 5: has definitely been a shift in the last decade. So

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Speaker 5: it's not like it's happening immediately right now. It's been happening.

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Speaker 5: Trump got more a wider percentage, I think a thirty

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Speaker 5: five percent maybe in twenty twenty five percent higher than

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Speaker 5: he got in twenty sixteen. I mean, these numbers are

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Speaker 5: moving in the right direction. It still is not the majority, obviously,

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Speaker 5: but for example, in twenty twenty two, the Jews of

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Speaker 5: Long Island, the Jewish vote of Long Island, might have

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Speaker 5: swung the House to Republicans. I mean, that's what the

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Speaker 5: numbers are showing. So it's not that Jews or majority

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Speaker 5: overnight start voting Republican. But the move has been happening.

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Speaker 5: The shift has been happening, and I'd like to see

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Speaker 5: it continue. Obviously, I think the Democrats have been terrible

874
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Speaker 5: for the Jewish, you know people. The funny thing about

875
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 5: being considered white. You know, I say to my kids, like,

876
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 5: at least you get to be white now, Like you know,

877
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 5: obviously it's always when when it's the bad thing, that's

878
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 5: that's what we get to be. We're white when it's bad.

879
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 5: We're not white when that's better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

881
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Speaker 2: Check out Carol's podcast, by the way, on the Clay

882
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: and Buck Network, the Carol Marko which show Carol, what

883
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Speaker 2: I'm wondering is, what do you think happens if they

884
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: exclaied I were talking to this before. New York in April,

885
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: pretty nice place in terms of the weather. And if

886
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: this is a little bit like an Occupy style protest,

887
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 2: like Occupy Wall Street from back in twenty eleven, twenty eleven. Right,

888
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: if that's the case, and even if they're arrested they

889
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: decide to come back, what is the university going to do?

890
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Speaker 1: Right?

891
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Speaker 2: I mean, because New York, and I'm sure New Haven

892
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 2: up in Connecticut has a similar situation, you know, protesters

893
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: or rather trespassing. You know, trespassing is really only illegal

894
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 2: in a serious way if it's on Capitol Hill grounds

895
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 2: on January sixth. Any other time, They're not going to

896
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Speaker 2: treat it like a serious thing at all. Right, so

897
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Speaker 2: what are these schools going to do? I'm not sure

898
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: that these protesters plan on going anywhere anytime soon.

899
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Speaker 5: Right, Well, this is where the rubber meets the road,

900
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 5: and you're absolutely right where the hypocrisy is insane. I mean,

901
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 5: any again, I hate to keep saying that any other

902
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 5: group or any other you know, affiliation would be in

903
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 5: so much trouble, but because of this far left thing,

904
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 5: that the liberal are so worried about them, and they're

905
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 5: so concerned with losing their vote, and it's this whole

906
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 5: problem for the Democrats. But I don't know what they're

907
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 5: going to do. But I think these colleges really need

908
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 5: to be sent a message, and I hope that people

909
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 5: do it. It doesn't just have to be Jews, Sae.

910
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 5: Non Jews have to be able to send that message too.

911
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 5: To say, I don't pay my money for this insanity

912
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 5: to go on on my kids college campus, remote learning

913
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty four because Jews are afraid to be

914
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Speaker 5: on campus is absurd and I'm not standing for it.

915
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Speaker 5: And I know that would be where we need to go.

916
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Speaker 5: But does that happen on these campuses or is it

917
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 5: just too far gone? I've been kind of for years

918
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Speaker 5: saying that the college campuses are lost, that we should

919
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 5: focus on K through twelve because that's really where the

920
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 5: battles are happening now. But these college campuses are worse

921
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Speaker 5: than I even imagined, and so I don't know, I

922
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 5: don't know what they do here. The twenty twenty four

923
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Speaker 5: you know, election obviously looms very large and all the

924
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 5: imaginations of these people, and they know that if they

925
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Speaker 5: have an incident with the far left, Biden could lose

926
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Speaker 5: the election. So I think all of that is being considered, Carol.

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Speaker 3: After Charlottesville, we were told we need to have a

928
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Speaker 3: national conversation about anti semitism and white supremacy and that

929
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Speaker 3: toxic combination of the two. Biden claimed that the reason

930
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Speaker 3: he had to run for president was because of what

931
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Speaker 3: happened in Charlottesville. Charlottesville is the rights failure when it

932
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Speaker 3: came to marching and saying we won't be replaced in

933
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Speaker 3: the anti juice slogans there, and we had a major

934
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Speaker 3: now national discussion conversation. Seems like we always only have

935
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Speaker 3: national discussions and conversations when people.

936
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Speaker 1: On the rights grew up.

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Speaker 3: We've now got hundreds if not thousands of Charlottesville's taking

938
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Speaker 3: place all over the country.

939
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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 3: How does the left reconcile their discussions around Charlottesville, including

941
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Speaker 3: Joe Biden's own presidential campaign, with now anti Semitism flourishing

942
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Speaker 3: in America on a level frankly that's never occurred to

943
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Speaker 3: my knowledge, in my life and in much of the

944
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Speaker 3: lives of people listening to us right now.

945
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Speaker 5: Well, that's the thing again, the hypocrisy doesn't matter to them.

946
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Speaker 5: They don't care that they you know, there was ten

947
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Speaker 5: people at Charlottesville and with their stupid torches and saying

948
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Speaker 5: dumb things. I knew at the time that that was

949
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Speaker 5: not representative of the right. Immediately everybody saying on the

950
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Speaker 5: right denounced those people. We don't see that same denunciation

951
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 5: happening on the left. I mean, that's really where it is.

952
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 5: And I think that it's important to just keep pushing

953
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Speaker 5: the idea that this is how happening almost entirely on

954
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Speaker 5: the left. There is no antisemitic movement happening on the right. Look,

955
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 5: there are there anti semis on the right, of course,

956
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 5: are the people who are going to hate Jews in

957
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 5: any group, of course, But the idea that you can

958
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 5: be openly jew hating on the right is just one

959
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 5: that is not true. As soon as anybody is, you know,

960
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 5: kind of openly hating of Jews, they get shunned by

961
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 5: the right, they get criticized, they get mocked. That does

962
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 5: not happen on the left. Joe Biden is fighting for

963
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 5: all of those votes. And that's a real big split. Charlottesville.

964
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Speaker 5: We didn't make heroes out of those people these college campuses.

965
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Speaker 5: They are making the heroes out of them. They're saying

966
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Speaker 5: that these protesters are just like the ones who marched

967
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Speaker 5: on Selma et cetera. And they're turning them into martyrs

968
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 5: and heroes. And we don't do that on the right

969
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Speaker 5: with people who hate Jews. It just is not the case.

970
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Speaker 2: Hey, Carol, you know Clay and I we're going back

971
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Speaker 2: and forth in the last hour on you know, Clay raised,

972
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Speaker 2: if you're paying seventy five to one hundred grand to

973
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 2: send your kid to one of these places, are you

974
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: going to be And I know they're young adults, right,

975
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 2: they're eighteen and up, but are you going to be outraged?

976
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 2: And I said, well, I don't know. I know some

977
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: left wing parents in New York who were probably applaud

978
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 2: this kind of thing.

979
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 5: What do you think, Yeah, I think that you're right.

980
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 5: I know left wing parents who would also applaud this.

981
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 5: But there has to be a saner middle. But you know,

982
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 5: of course, the concern is, and I know the three

983
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 5: of us know this, the saner middle becomes very quiet

984
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 5: when the left comes after them. And they did that

985
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 5: during COVID. They didn't say a word. They made sure

986
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 5: that they kept their mouths shut in case anybody was

987
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 5: mean to them on Facebook or Twitter. And they're doing

988
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 5: the same thing now and that's really where the dividing

989
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 5: line is. Yes, there are leftist parents who are thrilled

990
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 5: that their little Johnny is, you know, at Columbia and

991
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 5: targeting Jewish students for abuse because that's what the popular

992
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 5: thing to do right now is. But there have to

993
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 5: be the saner middle people who are quiet, and they

994
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 5: have to stop being quiet. And I don't know if

995
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 5: they will, but that's really where this needs to go.

996
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 3: Carol, you moved recently from New York to Florida. Like Buck,

997
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 3: We've been talking about the jury pool, which you theoretically

998
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,479
Speaker 3: could have been a part of potentially during your time

999
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 3: living in New York.

1000
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 1: Do you think anybody that is on that.

1001
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 3: Jury, the twelve that are seated or the six alternates,

1002
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 3: depending on who ends up ultimately making a decision, will

1003
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 3: be willing to publicly refuse to convict Trump Or do

1004
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 3: you think the societal pressure of living in New York City,

1005
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 3: the lifestyle is commensurate with that makes it so difficult

1006
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 3: for anyone to even be willing to stand on that island.

1007
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 5: It's a really good question. You know, they released the

1008
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 5: what each of the jury where they get their news?

1009
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 5: And you know they shopping thing to me was only

1010
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 5: one of them got the news from New York Post.

1011
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 5: I mean everybody in New York reads the Post and

1012
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 5: not just staying back that I write for them. It

1013
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 5: is the paper that everybody reads on the subway. And

1014
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 5: the fact that only one juror is a Post reader

1015
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 5: was really surprising. And that's concerning because you don't have

1016
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 5: you have a lot of people who are listening to

1017
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 5: CNN or you know, NPR or reading the New York Times.

1018
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 5: You're going to have a much tougher time having somebody

1019
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 5: aboth to not convict. But you're right, they get a

1020
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 5: lot of the social pressure there. The thing I'll say

1021
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 5: about Donald Trump, and I know that you guys have

1022
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 5: said similar things in the past. Once someone is like that,

1023
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 5: said I'm supporting Trump, it's very hard to get them

1024
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 5: off that hand, because they've already been through all the abuse.

1025
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Speaker 5: They've been targeted, they've been called racist, they've been called

1026
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Speaker 5: you know, all kinds of names. But once they've kind

1027
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 5: of overcome that and they've decided, no, I'm supporting this guy,

1028
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 5: it's really hard to get somebody off of that. So

1029
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Speaker 5: I think that if there is a Trump supporter on

1030
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 5: that jury, it makes it much more likely that they

1031
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 5: will stand their ground and then they'll they'll find him

1032
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Speaker 5: not guilty.

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