WEBVTT - Rick Wilson & Josh Miller-Lewis 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.120 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:12.799 today's best minds. And Attorney General Pam Bondi has shuddered 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:17.239 the FBI's Foreign Interference Act. They just don't want to 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:20.279 know about it. We have such a great show for 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:23.640 you today. The Lincoln Project's own Rick Wilson joins us 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:28.520 to discuss Trump's voters learning about his agenda in real time. 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:34.320 Then we'll talk to more perfect unions. Josh Miller lewis 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:39.760 about the lobbying firm funneling massive influence into Donald Trump's 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:41.599 White House. But first the. 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:47.040 News Smiley federal employees say they had to justify their 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:51.640 existence to Doege College freshmen in fifteen minute interviews. This 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:54.840 is a common thing when private equity comes in. I 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:58.040 remember there was this documentary about when Bain came to town, 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:01.240 you know, and McKinsey time that this is what they do. 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:01.560 End. 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:01.960 Uh. 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:04.840 Well, we're now seeing that culture spread to the US government. 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.920 Yeah. Elon has decided that he is going to make 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:10.440 the government efficient. I want to pause for a minute 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:14.360 and just talk about efficiency. What is efficiency? So efficiency 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:20.479 is in Elon Musk's mind. What he did to X right, 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:23.119 he took out the things, the bells and whistles, the 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:26.000 things that he felt didn't add to it. So now 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:29.280 you get spam and now you sometimes the messages go down, 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:31.920 but you know it ultimately works, but it works not 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:34.080 as well as it used to. This is sort of 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:37.200 I think, his hope for the federal government. But what 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:39.679 I think you have to realize about this, And we 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:44.080 saw this play out in real time right today when 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:47.120 he was tweeting against me. Was like, I said, you know, 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:50.000 it's the richest man in the world cutting cancer research, 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:52.720 and he was like, no, I'm not. And here's the thing. 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:56.440 He's cutting part of the National Institute of Health, right, 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.640 and it's considered to be overhead. But overhead is like 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:04.520 leaning the labs and renting the space and paying for 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:08.240 the scientists. Like this is overhead. And the idea here 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.239 is when you start messing with grants, you start messing 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.960 with research, and there's less money for research. Now you 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.760 might have an argument that the government shouldn't be funding 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:21.000 cancer research. I would say that is really so stupid, 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.639 but you could, you know, you could go down this 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:27.639 path of what does the government do. But it really 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.560 isn't up to the richest man in the world, despite 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.440 how rich he is, to decide what the government should 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.680 and should not do. Right, We elected people to do 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:40.160 that job, and they are not doing it because and 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:42.920 I think this is really important when you think about 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:46.640 the Republicans in Congress right now, they couldn't legislate this, 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:51.320 and so they're just doing it anyway. And there is 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:55.680 not a public appetite for less cancer research. There is 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.600 not a public right. There's just not People aren't like, oh, 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:02.119 people were just doing too well with our cancer treatments here. 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.280 I would love to just see people in my life 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:06.600 die because the richest man on earth wants to pay 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:07.320 less taxes. 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:11.079 Well, And it's also just like even if you ideologically 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.280 believe that the government should be smaller, I mean, we 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:15.239 talk about this so much when we talk about Project 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:18.160 twenty twenty five, right, Project twenty twenty five, the Grand 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:23.080 Plan to dismantle the administrative state, to end government oversight, 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.320 but also to end you know, the things that nobody 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.000 really wants to end, right, cancer research, that kind of 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:32.560 stuff because it's expensive and because they don't really feel 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:34.839 the government should be paying for that stuff. So when 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.920 you go down that rabbit hole, the question is where 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.760 does it end? And then also if it's not being 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:42.840 done by elected people, but it's just being done by 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:46.760 random rich people, how is that constitutionally okay? And how 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:50.200 is that legal? And why even have elected officials right 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:53.160 if they are not allowed to control the power of 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.600 the purse, if they are not legislating, I mean, what 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:59.040 are they even doing? Like, and so we're watching here. 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.240 Besides the fact is very scary because there will be 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:04.800 a lot of government services lost, and that will be 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:09.440 things like you know, healthcare for veterans, science. I mean, 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:13.560 you'll see people in red states where the university is 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:17.520 the big employer in the state suddenly panicking because there 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:20.560 will be job lost, there will be financial ruin, there 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:24.200 will be you know this all this will actually trickle up, 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:28.200 believe it or not, to billionaires eventually, but it will 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:31.719 also trickle up to the people who are elected to handle. 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:34.680 This crashes the economy, which has a lot of potential aduces. 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.800 These are people are high value spenders of the economy, right, 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:38.560 and they're. 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:42.320 Also remember like you lose these scientists, they don't come back. 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.160 I mean, that's the brain drain. Question, right, like, what 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:47.839 does it look like to lose scientists? What does any 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.080 of this look like? And so, I mean, that's what 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:53.320 we're setting ourselves up for. So this is the accelerationist 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:55.880 case for trump Ism, is that, like, it's better to 0:04:55.920 --> 0:05:00.440 have him crash and burn now than to slowly lash 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:03.080 the federal government the way of John Roberts might. But 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.120 I mean, I'm not convinced that there's any good coming 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:06.880 from any of this. 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:11.520 So a federal judge, though, has blocked Doze from accessing 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:15.800 Treasury Department records after nineteen States of sued Trump after 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:19.080 nineteen states of sued Trump's administration for this, But it 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.240 also has come with a lot of Elon having rage tweets. 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:24.279 What's important to realize here is that none of this 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:27.680 is legal. Just because Elon is very rich doesn't mean 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:31.920 he gets to just completely rewrite the way we do government. 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.760 And what is important about this story is that we 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:41.039 have these Democratic attorneys generals And remember this summer, Jesse 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.960 and I interviewed one of them who was talking to 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:47.880 us before we were reporting about how they were ready 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.520 because they really thought that the Democrat was going to 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:52.840 lose and that Trump was going to win again. And 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:56.440 that was why these blue state attorney generals were getting 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:58.760 together and planning the lawsuits that they were going to 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:02.800 have to file. They were really organized to fight back 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:04.839 against a lot of this stuff. And that's what we're 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:09.800 seeing here. So, look, this judge ruled against Elon and 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:14.080 doage because it's not okay. Now what's going to happen 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:18.120 now is that you know, Muscus is tweeting against him 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:23.279 and saying he's a corrupt judge protecting corruption. And again 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.920 this is like really important here. Part of the double speak, 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:30.440 the sort of Orwellian double speak that these people engage in, 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:34.960 is this idea that you know, if you are against this, 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:39.560 then you are for corruption, that you're if you're against 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:43.120 because this is all about how they're going to make 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.080 the government more efficient. And if you're against efficiency, then 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:50.720 your four waste. It's not true and also it's not correct. 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:55.279 And also it's just completely not right. And so that's 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.560 what I would say is like, don't do not, do 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:02.280 not do not into this, do not trust it. And 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.480 also like this judge is doing the right thing because 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:08.560 this is illegal. So now are they trying to set 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:13.040 the table to ignore the court order? Very possibly. I 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:14.320 think that's very likely. 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.960 They're definitely trying to establish a culture of that being okay. 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:21.720 On Twitter through Vans and Charlie Kirk tweets yep. 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:24.480 This judge said that it's not okay. But you know, 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:26.960 it's interesting. I mean. The other thing that's really interesting 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:30.920 a lot of the laws that are being used to 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:34.880 correct this corruption or to fight this corruption, or laws 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.560 that were put in place after Nixon. So we have 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:41.000 this violation of the Privacy Act of nineteen seventy four, 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:43.880 that's another one of these, after the Empowerment Act, another 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.880 one of these post Nicksonian reforms, and then the Tax 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.560 Will Reform Act of nineteen seventy six, as well as 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:52.880 other laws. The lawsuits are used also that don't access 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.920 poses security risks, and you and I both know that 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:59.160 these guys are all like, very young, these hackers. One 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:03.120 got fire for not respecting privacy at a different job. 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.400 One tweeted racist stuff. I mean, there's a pretty good 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:10.160 case for why the people who are messing with all 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:14.680 of our computers should have some kind of security clearance. 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:16.560 Yeah. Fun stuff. 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:20.200 So one of the first actions of O and B 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:23.840 director Russell Vought is to get rid of the CFPB. 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:28.040 I see just earlier today he tweeted that it is 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:32.640 a woke and weaponized agency against disfavored industries and individuals 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:35.920 for a long time, and it must end because making 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:39.000 sure banks don't charge you extra fees and things like that. 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:40.920 Very woke, very woke. 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:46.440 Very woke. Yes, anti corruption, very woke. Look, this is again. 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:51.040 We are in this world where everything up is down 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.000 and left is right and anything they don't like is woke. 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:56.840 And here we are really is the case for uh, 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.640 they have a hammer and everything is a nail with 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:00.160 the word. 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:08.200 That's the woke mind virus to you, baby. Rick Wilson 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:10.480 is the founder of the Lincoln Project and the host 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:14.920 of the Enemy's List Welcome Back, Too Fast Politics, Rick. 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:20.200 Wilson, John, you sound phenomenal. It was good to see this. 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:20.800 Last week. 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.480 Yes, Rick and I went to a book festival called 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.360 the Rancho Mirage Writers Festival together and we had a 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:28.040 great time. 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.840 We did have a great time. Did not like what we. 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:34.600 Said about him, did not like what we said on stage. 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:37.360 Somebody was like, send me a message there like, well, 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.760 it's your fault because you used to work for like, 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:42.160 for fuck's sake, We've been doing this for a decade now, 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.200 and if you'd been there, you would have seen us 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:45.000 spanking him. 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:49.280 Yeah. I mean, he's such an interesting character. Whatever. Let's 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:51.600 not talk about Karl Rove, who cares so, but let's 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:55.440 talk about Republicans dismantling our government. One of the things 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:59.920 I'm struck by is so the Doge project is cutting 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:05.920 billions of dollars of wasteful spending, like research into cancer. 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:10.959 Obviously cancer being so woke and all woke cancer, wolke cancer, 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:14.160 the woke mind virus. I think we are seeing right 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:17.000 now that it is not yet sunk in at the 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:20.520 state level. What is going to happen here and in 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.880 states across the country where there are billions of dollars 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:28.120 of NIH grants that do not go to Antifa or 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:31.720 whatever imaginary demon they have out there. They go to 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:36.520 universities that do the cancer research and the scientific research, 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.000 and the physics research and the computer science research that 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:42.720 has made so many people's lives so much better. 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.679 And it's made America great. Let's if we're gonna worry 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:46.959 about American greatness. 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.959 Yeah, if we're going to actually talk about American greatness, 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.160 one of the things that made to America great is 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:55.679 that we have great research labs all over this country 0:10:55.679 --> 0:11:00.280 doing great work. And once again, isn't some weird fantasy like, oh, 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:05.360 they're all researching lesbian boot Brazilian pan flute music. They 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:08.240 are out there looking for the cures to cancer at 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:11.160 Alzheimer's and everything else. And all those things that happen 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:17.079 at these labs, they are then materially made into research 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:20.480 that goes to pharmaceutical companies and technology companies and healthcare 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:24.320 systems and doctors and nurses and all of it, Every 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:27.600 single bit of it is not about some political agenda. 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.439 It's about helping people's lives become better. 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:34.320 Well, it's about science, right, It's about science. So even 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.719 if it's not necessarily you know, science, the science that 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.800 sends rockets, the science that Elon. 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.520 Uses well, by the way, by the way, by the way, 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:48.920 you know, I have to tell you, Elon Musk directly 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:54.040 benefits every single day, materially benefits from the research that 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:58.040 was done by National Science Foundation grants over and over 0:11:58.160 --> 0:11:59.280 and over getting. 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.280 Which is why this is such a mind truck. 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:01.680 Yeah. 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.640 Well, and look, I am still waiting for the day 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:06.760 and we are starting to hear a little bit of 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:09.280 this now. Like I was following some stuff this morning 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:12.439 about these Georgia soybean farmers who are the reddest of 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:16.400 red states, right, saying things like wait what, we're losing 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:16.880 our what? 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:17.600 Yeah? 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:21.679 All this money they've made over the years selling soybeans 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:26.720 for overseas markets through aid. Oh my goodness, Suddenly, wo 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:28.240 kid is a good thing? 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.280 Yeah, I mean that this is where we are. I mean, 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.600 this is sort of the craziest part of it is 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:35.520 that it's. 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:37.479 Just the goofiest timeline. 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:40.959 Yeah. But I mean it's also really worrying. And there's 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:45.000 a real war on their credits, which is scary, right, 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.560 I mean that's a real thing. And there is also 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:52.720 a real, you know, war on the truths what little 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:54.640 is left of it. So let's talk about that for 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:55.079 a minute. 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:55.480 Yeah. 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:57.480 Look, I mean, Molly, I think we are right now. 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:59.520 If you're going to play the game that Elon and 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:01.720 Donald and everybody else is playing, you have to have 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:04.240 a contempt for the truth. You have to have a 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:07.680 hatred almost for the truth, because you don't wake up 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:09.760 in the morning and think, hey, we're going to tell 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:11.800 both sides of this lie, and that's going to be 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:14.840 equally valid. It's not equally valid. The lie is the 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:16.959 lie is the lie, and so so much of this 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.400 stuff that we're seeing right now. Elon I said, oh, 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:23.640 sixty thousand people took the offer that cuts thirty billion dollars. Well, 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.360 the average federal salary is about sixty five thousand dollars, 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:28.720 and sixty five thousand times thirty five thousand is about 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:32.080 three point one billion dollars or somewhere in that neighborhood. 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:36.480 So it's become very Trumpian, it's become very exaggerated and 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:40.640 hyper you know, hyper focused on the on the can 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.600 we make the Libs cry harder every minute of the day. 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:45.679 And I just I think we are right now on 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:49.640 a terrible position as a country because for Republicans, the 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:54.160 reflexive defense of Trump on everything has now applied to 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.199 Elon as this guy starts to tear apart the things 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.760 that they have done in their states and districts. Because 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:04.400 even the most dickhead hate fuederal spending, even ran Paul 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.800 Okay every year is saying going home and saying, by 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:11.720 the way, I just got this amazing thing. We're going 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.319 to build these three bridges in our district. We're gonna 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:17.760 provide x number of student lunches in our district. Our 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.960 state's going to now get a research grant to study 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.760 Alzheimer's or whatever it is. And the disconnect right now 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:30.160 between whether Republicans believe in that they that they represent 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:34.760 their constituents anymore is more increasing is increasingly like obvious 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:36.800 to me, they don't and they don't want to. 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:37.560 They want to. 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.160 They want to please Trump. Yes, yes, my lord, Donald, 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:42.760 only you can save us, blah blah blah, and did 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:45.800 I please you today, my lord? It's crazy, but that 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:46.560 is what it is. 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:50.040 So one of the things happening right now is we're 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:55.120 getting ready for the Republicans to ignore the courts. That's 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.960 what we're seeing online is that the Republicans are trying 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:02.680 to make the case that they shouldn't have to rely 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:08.080 on the courts, that the Cords are not legit because 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:10.280 of one reason or another. One of the things I 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:14.200 love about the sort of brain trust here is that 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:17.680 they're for they'll like sort of jump around, so you'll say, 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:21.160 last night I tweeted about Elon and cancer research, and 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:23.920 Elon was very mad and saw that what are you 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:28.040 talking about? And then his people were like, cancer research 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:29.359 is for cocks. 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:29.320 You know. 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:32.080 They were like they couldn't quite message it. So they 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:36.200 were like, he's not doing that, you mainstream media liar, right, 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:37.840 even though like he's. 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.840 Delayed, he's absolutely well. 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.200 He's writing about, you know that we're going to cut 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:46.160 the NIH which is cancer research, among other things. And 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:50.000 then his people are like, private companies should do cancer research. 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:54.400 The government has has the cure for cancer. They're just 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:55.880 not letting you know, like the. 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:58.200 Oh, yes, of course, yes. 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:06.720 The response range was so incredibly shade, and yes, it 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:10.480 was such a big range that it was clear that 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.040 they just didn't know how to message it. 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:12.400 Right. 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.000 No, I don't think they do know how to message it, Molly. 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:16.680 I think that's part of the problem here, is that 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:21.160 they've had a long window where trump Ism was actually 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:25.240 a bit disconnected from real impact in their lives. So 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.560 when during COVID, right, there was a connection between the 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:33.000 craziness and the dusts. But now there's a sense, I 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.640 think that that they're going to have to go out 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:39.440 there and work hard to spend the damage that's being done. 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:42.600 And this is not about just so everybody's clear on this, 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:44.880 this is not about the size of government or about 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:48.200 government waste. No one literally a constituency for government waste 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:50.040 is zero. There is no one who believes the government 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:50.480 waste is. 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:51.240 Bad or is good? 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.040 Is good government waste? 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.480 Right but right now, what we are seeing from Elon 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:02.640 and company, I think is incrediblely silly and dangerous moment 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.880 because nothing about what he's doing comes down to any 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:09.359 sort of sensible approach to governance. And I know that's 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.879 really hard for August to accept as that you should 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.240 be sensible about things from time to time. I know 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.639 how tough that is. Guys, I get it, I really do. 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:20.920 I feel your pain. But they don't want good outcomes. 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.439 They want the chaos. They want the destruction. And I 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:25.680 do think by the way, this is sort of a 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:28.199 big theory of the case, but a theory of the case. Nonetheless, 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:32.320 I think Elon and team tech Bro have all convinced 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.800 themselves that they're not going to need any of this 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:38.560 research because within a year or a month or however 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:40.320 long they think it is, AI. 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:40.880 Will do everything. 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.199 I think that's part of their thought process here, is 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.320 like we can say this is great, and then the 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:47.720 AI will figure it all out for us. It is 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.760 a weird and I think semi apocalyptic viewpoint, but I 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:51.639 don't think it's wrong. 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.600 Yeah, I think there's certainly a lot of different things 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:58.000 going on here. But I think the real question is 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:01.120 going to be how long does a government function until 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:02.280 this is over? Right? 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.679 Listen, I think I think the government is functioning right 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.520 now about like Twitter functions. Now, if you look at 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:10.639 the fact that Elon went and he cut seventy percent 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:13.560 out of Twitter's headcount when he took over, and a 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:14.240 lot of people. 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:15.800 Said, oh, yeah, it needed to be cut. 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:17.879 It was this, it was that. And if you even 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.320 take that point, Okay, let's just take that point for 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:23.879 a second. He didn't make those cuts with a sense 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:27.520 of a plan. He did it because he has a 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:32.359 sort of fetishization cuts being good as a signifier of leadership. 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.560 Does that make sense? Yeah, And I think it's a 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.320 silly kind of model in a lot of ways, but 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:39.720 it is nonetheless one of his models. 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:43.080 Right. Well, And the question is do the American people 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:46.360 like it or do they not like it? They are 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.679 they happy with this? And I don't know that we 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:50.640 know the answer. 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:53.240 Yet, right, I don't think we have the answer yet. Honestly, 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:54.800 I don't. I don't think we have an answer on 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:59.600 that yet because I think part of this is it 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.560 we're still in the entertainment phase of this new iteration 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.199 of trump Ism. There's still a great joy on the 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:09.520 right that the Libs are being owned. They absolutely couldn't 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:13.040 be happier, how owned the Libs are, how upset people are. 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:15.879 That to my mind is like they love people being upset. 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.439 They love people saying oh, please don't cut cancer research 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:21.720 and saying cancers for cooks, Oh drink rail milk, you 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:23.920 won't get cancer, right right right? 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:26.680 I mean that I think is a big question. There 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:30.600 is a question still of like how much Elon can 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:33.160 do in the federal computers, right. 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.320 I think if you just take the scope of what 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.200 the court orders are saying, look at what Elon has done, 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.240 and if anyone is comfortable right now that their social 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:46.520 Security number, they're privately identifiable information, all that business is 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:51.159 has somehow been somehow more secure than it was before 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:53.920 a bunch of jacked up in cells when in there 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:58.439 and started rifling through your most intimate files. God bless you, 0:19:58.840 --> 0:19:59.840 God bless y. 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.920 So today we saw a lot of It's the show 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:07.600 airs on Monday. On Sunday, we saw all of MAGA 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:12.320 world working this Sunday shows, oh, trying to sell this 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:13.399 all sign right. 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:15.960 Well, you know, and I got to tell you the 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:18.720 Sunday shows have got to step it up. Margaret Brennan's 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:21.080 on there today on CBS. And you know, you have 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:24.879 this Republican reps and senators and they're asked direct questions 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:29.080 of things they absolutely don't believe, and even when confronted, 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:31.199 they go right back to the well, we were funding 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:37.800 transsexual pan flute bands in Chile. Okay enough, they won't answer. Hey, 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:39.919 by the way, do you think this guy Darren Beattie, 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:44.040 who is a flaming racist of the highest quality, A 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:47.800 guy so racist Elon Musco's ease up their comrade. It 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:49.720 should be in the state Department. Blah blah blah blah. 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:52.119 I don't know him. They know every detail of the 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:56.280 of the usai D budget for South American LGBT spending, 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:59.040 but not who's going to be in the State Department 0:20:59.240 --> 0:20:59.840 the fuck out. 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:06.920