WEBVTT - Woman Charged With Killing Both Ex Husbands On Same Day!

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks, says we speak. A woman is sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in jail in Florida accused of killing not one, but

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<v Speaker 1>two ex husbands on the same day, and with that,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to this episode Amy TJ Presents Rogue. You brought

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<v Speaker 1>this case to my attention. And look, we follow a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of true crime. I hadn't quite seen one like this.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen one like this.

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<v Speaker 3>We've seen women, I mean women killers are rarer, so

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<v Speaker 3>to speak. But going on a killing spree is one thing,

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<v Speaker 3>and we've seen that. But to kill two people in

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<v Speaker 3>one day and have them both be your ex husbands,

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<v Speaker 3>never seen that before.

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<v Speaker 1>Well how many hours between?

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<v Speaker 3>It was hours hours between. And when you hear how police,

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<v Speaker 3>well they didn't even piece it together. She basically thought

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<v Speaker 3>they already knew and squealed on herself. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 3>crazy how this all went down.

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<v Speaker 1>That moment was crazy. If that moment had been in

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<v Speaker 1>a movie, you would laugh. That's a moment that you

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<v Speaker 1>would actually laugh at. What that scene and how it

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<v Speaker 1>played out that we're going to get into. But the

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<v Speaker 1>woman's name is Susan Erica Avalanche, fifty one years old,

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<v Speaker 1>and robes has happened in December that police got the

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<v Speaker 1>call to one shooting and ended up finding somebody else.

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<v Speaker 1>So she goes to how well she's accused of I

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<v Speaker 1>should say this first and foremost. She's accused of going

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<v Speaker 1>and shooting one ex husband. And this is the ex

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<v Speaker 1>husband who then kind of gives them a heads up

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<v Speaker 1>when they ask, hey, you know anybody who would do

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<v Speaker 1>this to you? He said possibly my ex was his

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<v Speaker 1>dying words, because he made it to the hospital and

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<v Speaker 1>was alive and was hanging on for a little while.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was shot in the stomach. That is incredibly painful.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe he was shot twice in the stomach. But

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<v Speaker 3>before he died, he was able to point investigators towards

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<v Speaker 3>his ex wife.

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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't even totally sure and will tell you why.

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<v Speaker 3>So the investigation began around three pm on December seventeenth,

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<v Speaker 3>and this was in Florida. Police responded to calls of

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<v Speaker 3>shots fired. That's when they found the fifty four year

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<v Speaker 3>old man, who later died at the hospital. Before he

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<v Speaker 3>was pronounced dead, he told investigators he opened his front

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<v Speaker 3>door and someone just shot him, and he said it

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<v Speaker 3>was possibly my ex wife.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And he didn't know because apparently what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>delivery person was she supposed to be?

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<v Speaker 3>Decided she was disguised as a food delivery driver, and

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<v Speaker 3>they were actually through surveillance video, able to go back

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<v Speaker 3>based on the description of the clothes she was wearing

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<v Speaker 3>and the car she was driving driving given to police

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<v Speaker 3>by her own daughter, her own fifteen year old daughter.

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<v Speaker 3>But they found her stealing someone else's order from a

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<v Speaker 3>Panera Bread. So she went into a Panera Bread, went

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<v Speaker 3>up to the counter, took someone else's order, got into

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<v Speaker 3>her car, and posed as a food delivery driver. So

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<v Speaker 3>when he maybe looks out the front window or whatever

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<v Speaker 3>sees someone, he sees she's disguised with a gray hoodie.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what else she had on.

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<v Speaker 3>To disguise her face, but it looked like somebody was

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<v Speaker 3>delivering food. So he opens the door and boom, she

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<v Speaker 3>just fire shots, according to police.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so police get called to this scene and they're

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<v Speaker 1>talking to this guy and wondering who could possibly have

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<v Speaker 1>done this. So they are now because of that, directed

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<v Speaker 1>towards her, yes, and they go find her. Ropes didn't

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<v Speaker 1>take them long, and she just happened to be doing

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<v Speaker 1>some car cleaning when they.

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<v Speaker 2>Showed up some spring cleaning.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, So investigators tracked her down through the car, so

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<v Speaker 3>they had the car description possibly my ex wife. They

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<v Speaker 3>put it all together and they arrive at Avalon's home

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<v Speaker 3>the following day, so this is December eighteenth. They walk

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<v Speaker 3>up on her literally with bleach and rags in her hands.

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<v Speaker 2>They said it was brazen. This was a busy neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 3>People are out and she's got bleach and rags wiping

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<v Speaker 3>down the interior of her car. When deputies come up

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<v Speaker 3>and approach her, they say to her, we want to

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<v Speaker 3>speak to you about your ex husband.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is where it gets ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Her response, which one.

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<v Speaker 1>So their antennas go up. So what do they do?

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<v Speaker 1>They go figure out and track down where her other

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<v Speaker 1>ex husband is and essentially have police there do a

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<v Speaker 1>welfare check.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, So they find out her second ex husband actually, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>lives in the Tampa area.

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<v Speaker 2>So they you know, they just say, hey, yeah, let's

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<v Speaker 2>just check on them.

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<v Speaker 3>It's krond of crazy, she said, which one made us

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<v Speaker 3>a little concerned. Tampa police go to the home of

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<v Speaker 3>her other ex husband and find him shot dead. Avalon,

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<v Speaker 3>they say, killed her second ex husband first in Tampa.

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<v Speaker 3>So he was the first one to go and that's

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<v Speaker 3>when after that she drove directly to kill her first

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<v Speaker 3>ex husband. And so what would drive someone to do

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<v Speaker 3>this in one day after all these years? By the way,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure how long she had been divorced from

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<v Speaker 3>her second ex husband, who she killed first, But her

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<v Speaker 3>first ex husband, we know this. She had been divorced

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<v Speaker 3>from him for eleven years. So yes, there had been

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<v Speaker 3>child custody fights, and yes there had been issues in

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<v Speaker 3>all of that that usually happens with divorces. But to

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<v Speaker 3>have that much time go by and then to suddenly

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<v Speaker 3>snap and kill not one, but both of your ex

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<v Speaker 3>husbands and not think you aren't going to be directly

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<v Speaker 3>implicated is surprising. But police say this was planned, This

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<v Speaker 3>was premeditated, and she did it with intent.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't carefully planned. I mean you I mean, actually, Roes,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no you can't usually not going to get away

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<v Speaker 1>with killing once. But you're the first person that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the suspect, right, two dead, say, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what was going on? There was a breakup some kind

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<v Speaker 1>because she didn't do this expecting to get away with it.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't think that she was, and yet she was

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<v Speaker 3>cleaning her car, so she was trying to get rid

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<v Speaker 3>of evidence. She was trying to cover up her crime.

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<v Speaker 3>So I would say by those actions, she was hoping

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<v Speaker 3>that she'd get away with it. She wasn't thinking it through.

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<v Speaker 3>Because yes, the first person you're going to look at

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<v Speaker 3>is an ex or a scorned lover, or someone who

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<v Speaker 3>had a romantic relationship. We know this is either about

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<v Speaker 3>money or it's about passion, and this looks like it

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<v Speaker 3>might have been about both.

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<v Speaker 1>That's usually the two things they tell you, right, but

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<v Speaker 1>this one. Look, when it comes to divorces, when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to kids, when it comes to money, there is

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people will tell you as hot and

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<v Speaker 1>emotional as they've ever been in their lives, and as

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<v Speaker 1>close as they've gotten to hate in someone in their lives,

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<v Speaker 1>it's having to go through a divorce. And so she's

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<v Speaker 1>got two and rose this is a situation where she

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<v Speaker 1>don't have right is owing them money?

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<v Speaker 2>Correct?

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<v Speaker 3>So this is what the sheriff said in terms of motive,

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<v Speaker 3>because any time you cover especially a bizarre case like this,

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<v Speaker 3>everyone wants to know why.

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<v Speaker 2>And so here's what the sheriff had to say.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, Avalon had been in child custody fights with

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<v Speaker 3>both ex husbands. Aha, right there, that's the passion, because look,

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<v Speaker 3>you can hate your ex or you can have a

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<v Speaker 3>very difficult divorce, but usually when kids are involved, you

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<v Speaker 3>can it's tenfold. I mean, money's one thing, but kids

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<v Speaker 3>are a whole other thing. That's part of you, that's

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<v Speaker 3>a piece of you. So if you're fighting for custody

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<v Speaker 3>with your ex, yeah, emotions are running high. So she

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<v Speaker 3>had been in child custody fights with both ex husbands,

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<v Speaker 3>She had owed child support to at least one. And

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<v Speaker 3>this is what the sheriff said That really stuck with me.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, And now five children are facing life without

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<v Speaker 3>their fathers, and it seems as though they didn't really

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<v Speaker 3>have their mother in their life to begin with, so

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<v Speaker 3>they lost the one steady parental figure they had. And

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<v Speaker 3>she did it because she was angry. She did it,

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<v Speaker 3>perhaps because police say she owed one of them money.

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<v Speaker 3>But for whatever reason, police say she literally snapped and

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<v Speaker 3>drove from one ex husband to the other ex husband

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<v Speaker 3>and just shot them in cold blood.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all relative, but this we're not talking about. And

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<v Speaker 1>you said money and passion, it seemed the emotion had

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<v Speaker 1>to be the stronger thing. We're not talking about again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all relative the type of money that you kill for.

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<v Speaker 1>It was not the type of money you kill over.

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<v Speaker 1>So it had to be who knows saying we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to find out so much more. But it's such a

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre story, Robes that will I will forever. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>way you could think you would get away with murdering

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<v Speaker 1>two people on the same day that you used to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Married to, right, And I also keep thinking about, Look,

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<v Speaker 3>you can't get into this state of mind of somebody

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<v Speaker 3>who's willing and capable of doing what police says she was.

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<v Speaker 3>But to imagine that her fifteen year old daughter was

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<v Speaker 3>upstairs when she was posing as that food delivery driver.

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<v Speaker 3>Now her fifteen year old daughter then had to be

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<v Speaker 3>interviewed by police. She didn't see the shooting, but she

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<v Speaker 3>heard the gunfire and she looked out the window, and

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<v Speaker 3>she is the one who gave police the description of

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<v Speaker 3>what the shooter was wearing and the car she was driving.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's interesting because you would think a child would

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<v Speaker 3>know their mother's own vehicle, but that wasn't the initial

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<v Speaker 3>the She didn't necessarily say that, which speaks to perhaps

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<v Speaker 3>their relationationship or how close they were, not if she

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know that that was her mother's car. You would

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<v Speaker 3>know your mom's car if it was pulling up, and

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<v Speaker 3>you would think the ex husband would know the ex

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<v Speaker 3>wife's car if it was pulling up. So clearly there

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<v Speaker 3>was an estrangement there where she could have posed as

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<v Speaker 3>a food delivery driver and they didn't necessarily know. In fact,

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<v Speaker 3>he was even telling police, I think it was my

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<v Speaker 3>ex wife. He didn't even know for sure, so that's

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<v Speaker 3>really fascinating. But you pointed out the amount of money.

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<v Speaker 3>When we come back, we're going to talk about just

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<v Speaker 3>how much child support that Avalon owed her ex husband,

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<v Speaker 3>and we're going to get into what her current boyfriend

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<v Speaker 3>told police and the official charges she is now facing.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back to Amy and TJ Presents. We are presenting

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<v Speaker 3>one of the more bizarre murder cases that we have

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<v Speaker 3>ever seen in our journalism careers. I can't remember a

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<v Speaker 3>story where a woman chose, planned, and executed her plan

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<v Speaker 3>to kill both of her ex husbands in the same day,

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<v Speaker 3>but that is exactly what fifty one year old Susan

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<v Speaker 3>Erica Avalon is accused of doing.

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<v Speaker 2>And she had moved on.

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<v Speaker 3>She had a boyfriend, a living boyfriend who then had

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<v Speaker 3>to obviously speak to Belie when when she was arrested,

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<v Speaker 3>and he told detectives that the day before this all happened.

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<v Speaker 3>So she, according to police, committed these crimes on December seventeenth,

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<v Speaker 3>So December sixteenth, he said. She made a very uncharacteristic

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<v Speaker 3>remark that he remembered that stayed with him and he

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<v Speaker 3>didn't quite know what she meant, but she said, I

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<v Speaker 3>love you in case something happens to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, that's not what you want to hear from your

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<v Speaker 1>significant other. I'm about the door.

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<v Speaker 3>If I came up and said that to you before

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<v Speaker 3>I was leaving, what would you think?

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<v Speaker 1>Where are you going? What's up?

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<v Speaker 2>And what are you about to go do? And who

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<v Speaker 2>are you going to see?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't use the wear all black like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually it was a gray hoodie but yes, no, but

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<v Speaker 3>who knows, but that so he remembered that.

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<v Speaker 2>He told police that. And this is.

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<v Speaker 3>The other really shocking part of it. And I know

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<v Speaker 3>that there's no amount of money that would justify what

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<v Speaker 3>she did. But when you think about the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>this woman was divorced from her first ex husband for

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<v Speaker 3>eleven years. She owed, according to police, four thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 3>in unpaid child support, and she was facing a deadline

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<v Speaker 3>in the coming days to pay two hundred dollars of

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<v Speaker 3>that four thousand, or she was going to lose her

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<v Speaker 3>driver's license. That was what they were threatening. So two

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<v Speaker 3>hundred dollars, that can't be the reason why she did this.

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<v Speaker 3>But maybe it was the straw that broke the camel's back.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that maybe she'd been on edge for a long

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<v Speaker 1>time in the back and forth, like you said, continues.

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<v Speaker 1>Look that you can a story about the double murder

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<v Speaker 1>can get sadder, but to think it was over possibly

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred dollars is tough to stomach. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>This is a bizarre when got what now.

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<v Speaker 3>Five five kids according to the sheriff, between these two marriages,

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<v Speaker 3>and they are now I don't know the ages.

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<v Speaker 2>I only know the age of the fifteen year.

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<v Speaker 1>Old, but I have right all five are her kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and now it's unclear where they are. But I'm

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<v Speaker 3>imagining if it was her first marriage and she had

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<v Speaker 3>a fifteen year old her second marriage, who this man

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<v Speaker 3>who she also killed, I'm imagining those kids that are

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<v Speaker 3>obviously younger. If you do the math, I would think

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<v Speaker 3>they are younger kids. So that is incredibly tragic, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's what the sheriff was speaking to. That was the

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<v Speaker 3>real tragedy here, that these kids are now literally orphans

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<v Speaker 3>for all intent and purposes.

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<v Speaker 2>So she right.

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<v Speaker 3>Now has only technically been charged with second degree homicide

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<v Speaker 3>for the murder of her first husband, but they say

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<v Speaker 3>that will almost certainly upgraded to a first degree murder

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<v Speaker 3>charge after prosecutors conveni granduri, which is supposed to be

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<v Speaker 3>happening shortly, and they are saying that they will likely

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<v Speaker 3>seek the death penalty in that and then for the

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<v Speaker 3>Tampa murder, they are about to bring those charges as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So she still has a lot more legal.

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<v Speaker 3>Hoops to jump through, but it looks like at the

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<v Speaker 3>end of the day she is going to be facing one,

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<v Speaker 3>probably two first degree murder charges, and we know how

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<v Speaker 3>Florida rolls, it is very likely that she would then

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<v Speaker 3>be facing the death penalty. Because the sheriff also made

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<v Speaker 3>this statement, we believe this was premeditated. She knew exactly

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<v Speaker 3>what she was doing. She came here solely to kill

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<v Speaker 3>her ex husbands period.

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<v Speaker 2>End of story.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I was waiting and that was mine. It

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be my question to you about second

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<v Speaker 1>degree they're going to be upgraded. Yes, the premeditation, there

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<v Speaker 1>is a there was a maliciousness to this crime. That Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was my question too. You have you seen anything?

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<v Speaker 1>Did they give anybody a reason for why they're going

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<v Speaker 1>after the death ploding?

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<v Speaker 3>Just the fact that it was premeditated, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that she thought about this and did what

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<v Speaker 3>she did and essentially orphaned her children, I think all

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<v Speaker 3>of that is taken into consideration. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>I mentioned what the boyfriend had told police about what

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<v Speaker 3>she said to him the day before.

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<v Speaker 2>Another interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>So he talked about what she did before these alleged crimes,

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<v Speaker 3>and then he also told police what she did after

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<v Speaker 3>the alleged crime, So before she got seen or got caught,

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<v Speaker 3>I should say, bringing out bleach and rags, trying to

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<v Speaker 3>wipe down her car. The boyfriend said that when she

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<v Speaker 3>came back home after this road trip, that he didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know what she was doing. He said she got into

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<v Speaker 3>the shower while she was wearing the same gray sweatshirt

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<v Speaker 3>that her daughter described that was seen in the surveillance video.

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<v Speaker 3>At the Panera bread and he thought that was bizarre.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm wondering why this boyfriend wasn't asking more questions, Babe,

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<v Speaker 3>why are you getting into the shower with your clothes on?

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<v Speaker 3>But he made that point to police too, soet.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously you would say to your significant other, what in

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<v Speaker 1>the world are you doing? Maybe he knew something was up. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, he said, she didn't explicitly tell me what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Explicitly he suspected. We'll see what happens. That's this is

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<v Speaker 1>just an It's an awful one, it's an intriguing one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a fascinating one, and we wait to possibly get

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<v Speaker 1>some answers for exactly why why she did this. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just one we wanted to hop on and tell you

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<v Speaker 1>about here. We will continue to follow it here on

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<v Speaker 1>time with us. But for now and for my dear

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