1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks, says we speak. A woman is sitting 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: in jail in Florida accused of killing not one, but 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: two ex husbands on the same day, and with that, 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: welcome to this episode Amy TJ Presents Rogue. You brought 5 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: this case to my attention. And look, we follow a 6 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: lot of true crime. I hadn't quite seen one like this. 7 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 2: I've never seen one like this. 8 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 3: We've seen women, I mean women killers are rarer, so 9 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 3: to speak. But going on a killing spree is one thing, 10 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 3: and we've seen that. But to kill two people in 11 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 3: one day and have them both be your ex husbands, 12 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 3: never seen that before. 13 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: Well how many hours between? 14 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,639 Speaker 3: It was hours hours between. And when you hear how police, 15 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 3: well they didn't even piece it together. She basically thought 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 3: they already knew and squealed on herself. It's kind of 17 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,559 Speaker 3: crazy how this all went down. 18 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: That moment was crazy. If that moment had been in 19 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: a movie, you would laugh. That's a moment that you 20 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: would actually laugh at. What that scene and how it 21 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: played out that we're going to get into. But the 22 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: woman's name is Susan Erica Avalanche, fifty one years old, 23 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: and robes has happened in December that police got the 24 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: call to one shooting and ended up finding somebody else. 25 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: So she goes to how well she's accused of I 26 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: should say this first and foremost. She's accused of going 27 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: and shooting one ex husband. And this is the ex 28 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: husband who then kind of gives them a heads up 29 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: when they ask, hey, you know anybody who would do 30 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: this to you? He said possibly my ex was his 31 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: dying words, because he made it to the hospital and 32 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: was alive and was hanging on for a little while. 33 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was shot in the stomach. That is incredibly painful. 34 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 3: I believe he was shot twice in the stomach. But 35 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 3: before he died, he was able to point investigators towards 36 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 3: his ex wife. 37 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: He wasn't even totally sure and will tell you why. 38 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 3: So the investigation began around three pm on December seventeenth, 39 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 3: and this was in Florida. Police responded to calls of 40 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 3: shots fired. That's when they found the fifty four year 41 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 3: old man, who later died at the hospital. Before he 42 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 3: was pronounced dead, he told investigators he opened his front 43 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 3: door and someone just shot him, and he said it 44 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 3: was possibly my ex wife. 45 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, And he didn't know because apparently what kind of 46 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: delivery person was she supposed to be? 47 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 3: Decided she was disguised as a food delivery driver, and 48 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 3: they were actually through surveillance video, able to go back 49 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 3: based on the description of the clothes she was wearing 50 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: and the car she was driving driving given to police 51 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 3: by her own daughter, her own fifteen year old daughter. 52 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 3: But they found her stealing someone else's order from a 53 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 3: Panera Bread. So she went into a Panera Bread, went 54 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 3: up to the counter, took someone else's order, got into 55 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 3: her car, and posed as a food delivery driver. So 56 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 3: when he maybe looks out the front window or whatever 57 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 3: sees someone, he sees she's disguised with a gray hoodie. 58 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: I don't know what else she had on. 59 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: To disguise her face, but it looked like somebody was 60 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 3: delivering food. So he opens the door and boom, she 61 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 3: just fire shots, according to police. 62 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: Okay, so police get called to this scene and they're 63 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: talking to this guy and wondering who could possibly have 64 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: done this. So they are now because of that, directed 65 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: towards her, yes, and they go find her. Ropes didn't 66 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: take them long, and she just happened to be doing 67 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: some car cleaning when they. 68 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 2: Showed up some spring cleaning. 69 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 3: Yes, So investigators tracked her down through the car, so 70 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 3: they had the car description possibly my ex wife. They 71 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 3: put it all together and they arrive at Avalon's home 72 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 3: the following day, so this is December eighteenth. They walk 73 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 3: up on her literally with bleach and rags in her hands. 74 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 2: They said it was brazen. This was a busy neighborhood. 75 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 3: People are out and she's got bleach and rags wiping 76 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 3: down the interior of her car. When deputies come up 77 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 3: and approach her, they say to her, we want to 78 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 3: speak to you about your ex husband. 79 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: And this is where it gets ridiculous. 80 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 2: Her response, which one. 81 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: So their antennas go up. So what do they do? 82 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: They go figure out and track down where her other 83 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: ex husband is and essentially have police there do a 84 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: welfare check. 85 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 3: Correct, So they find out her second ex husband actually, yes, 86 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 3: lives in the Tampa area. 87 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: So they you know, they just say, hey, yeah, let's 88 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: just check on them. 89 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 3: It's krond of crazy, she said, which one made us 90 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 3: a little concerned. Tampa police go to the home of 91 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 3: her other ex husband and find him shot dead. Avalon, 92 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 3: they say, killed her second ex husband first in Tampa. 93 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 3: So he was the first one to go and that's 94 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 3: when after that she drove directly to kill her first 95 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 3: ex husband. And so what would drive someone to do 96 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: this in one day after all these years? By the way, 97 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 3: I'm not sure how long she had been divorced from 98 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: her second ex husband, who she killed first, But her 99 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 3: first ex husband, we know this. She had been divorced 100 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 3: from him for eleven years. So yes, there had been 101 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 3: child custody fights, and yes there had been issues in 102 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 3: all of that that usually happens with divorces. But to 103 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 3: have that much time go by and then to suddenly 104 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 3: snap and kill not one, but both of your ex 105 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 3: husbands and not think you aren't going to be directly 106 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 3: implicated is surprising. But police say this was planned, This 107 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 3: was premeditated, and she did it with intent. 108 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: It wasn't carefully planned. I mean you I mean, actually, Roes, 109 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: there's no you can't usually not going to get away 110 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: with killing once. But you're the first person that's going 111 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: to be the suspect, right, two dead, say, I mean, 112 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: what was going on? There was a breakup some kind 113 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: because she didn't do this expecting to get away with it. 114 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 3: You can't think that she was, and yet she was 115 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 3: cleaning her car, so she was trying to get rid 116 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 3: of evidence. She was trying to cover up her crime. 117 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 3: So I would say by those actions, she was hoping 118 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 3: that she'd get away with it. She wasn't thinking it through. 119 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: Because yes, the first person you're going to look at 120 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 3: is an ex or a scorned lover, or someone who 121 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 3: had a romantic relationship. We know this is either about 122 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 3: money or it's about passion, and this looks like it 123 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 3: might have been about both. 124 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: That's usually the two things they tell you, right, but 125 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: this one. Look, when it comes to divorces, when it 126 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: comes to kids, when it comes to money, there is 127 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people will tell you as hot and 128 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: emotional as they've ever been in their lives, and as 129 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: close as they've gotten to hate in someone in their lives, 130 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: it's having to go through a divorce. And so she's 131 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: got two and rose this is a situation where she 132 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: don't have right is owing them money? 133 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: Correct? 134 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: So this is what the sheriff said in terms of motive, 135 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 3: because any time you cover especially a bizarre case like this, 136 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 3: everyone wants to know why. 137 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: And so here's what the sheriff had to say. 138 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 3: He said, Avalon had been in child custody fights with 139 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 3: both ex husbands. Aha, right there, that's the passion, because look, 140 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: you can hate your ex or you can have a 141 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 3: very difficult divorce, but usually when kids are involved, you 142 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 3: can it's tenfold. I mean, money's one thing, but kids 143 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 3: are a whole other thing. That's part of you, that's 144 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 3: a piece of you. So if you're fighting for custody 145 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 3: with your ex, yeah, emotions are running high. So she 146 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 3: had been in child custody fights with both ex husbands, 147 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 3: She had owed child support to at least one. And 148 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 3: this is what the sheriff said That really stuck with me. 149 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 3: He said, And now five children are facing life without 150 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 3: their fathers, and it seems as though they didn't really 151 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 3: have their mother in their life to begin with, so 152 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 3: they lost the one steady parental figure they had. And 153 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 3: she did it because she was angry. She did it, 154 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 3: perhaps because police say she owed one of them money. 155 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 3: But for whatever reason, police say she literally snapped and 156 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 3: drove from one ex husband to the other ex husband 157 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 3: and just shot them in cold blood. 158 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: It's all relative, but this we're not talking about. And 159 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: you said money and passion, it seemed the emotion had 160 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: to be the stronger thing. We're not talking about again, 161 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: it's all relative the type of money that you kill for. 162 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: It was not the type of money you kill over. 163 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: So it had to be who knows saying we're going 164 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: to find out so much more. But it's such a 165 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: bizarre story, Robes that will I will forever. There's no 166 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: way you could think you would get away with murdering 167 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: two people on the same day that you used to be. 168 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 3: Married to, right, And I also keep thinking about, Look, 169 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 3: you can't get into this state of mind of somebody 170 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 3: who's willing and capable of doing what police says she was. 171 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 3: But to imagine that her fifteen year old daughter was 172 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 3: upstairs when she was posing as that food delivery driver. 173 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 3: Now her fifteen year old daughter then had to be 174 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 3: interviewed by police. She didn't see the shooting, but she 175 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 3: heard the gunfire and she looked out the window, and 176 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 3: she is the one who gave police the description of 177 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 3: what the shooter was wearing and the car she was driving. 178 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 3: And it's interesting because you would think a child would 179 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,359 Speaker 3: know their mother's own vehicle, but that wasn't the initial 180 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 3: the She didn't necessarily say that, which speaks to perhaps 181 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 3: their relationationship or how close they were, not if she 182 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 3: didn't know that that was her mother's car. You would 183 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 3: know your mom's car if it was pulling up, and 184 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 3: you would think the ex husband would know the ex 185 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 3: wife's car if it was pulling up. So clearly there 186 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 3: was an estrangement there where she could have posed as 187 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 3: a food delivery driver and they didn't necessarily know. In fact, 188 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 3: he was even telling police, I think it was my 189 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 3: ex wife. He didn't even know for sure, so that's 190 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 3: really fascinating. But you pointed out the amount of money. 191 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 3: When we come back, we're going to talk about just 192 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 3: how much child support that Avalon owed her ex husband, 193 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 3: and we're going to get into what her current boyfriend 194 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 3: told police and the official charges she is now facing. 195 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Amy and TJ Presents. We are presenting 196 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 3: one of the more bizarre murder cases that we have 197 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 3: ever seen in our journalism careers. I can't remember a 198 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 3: story where a woman chose, planned, and executed her plan 199 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 3: to kill both of her ex husbands in the same day, 200 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 3: but that is exactly what fifty one year old Susan 201 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 3: Erica Avalon is accused of doing. 202 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 2: And she had moved on. 203 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 3: She had a boyfriend, a living boyfriend who then had 204 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 3: to obviously speak to Belie when when she was arrested, 205 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 3: and he told detectives that the day before this all happened. 206 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 3: So she, according to police, committed these crimes on December seventeenth, 207 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 3: So December sixteenth, he said. She made a very uncharacteristic 208 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 3: remark that he remembered that stayed with him and he 209 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 3: didn't quite know what she meant, but she said, I 210 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 3: love you in case something happens to me. 211 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: Man, that's not what you want to hear from your 212 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: significant other. I'm about the door. 213 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 3: If I came up and said that to you before 214 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 3: I was leaving, what would you think? 215 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: Where are you going? What's up? 216 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 2: And what are you about to go do? And who 217 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: are you going to see? 218 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: I don't use the wear all black like that. 219 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 3: Actually it was a gray hoodie but yes, no, but 220 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 3: who knows, but that so he remembered that. 221 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 2: He told police that. And this is. 222 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 3: The other really shocking part of it. And I know 223 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 3: that there's no amount of money that would justify what 224 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 3: she did. But when you think about the fact that 225 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 3: this woman was divorced from her first ex husband for 226 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 3: eleven years. She owed, according to police, four thousand dollars 227 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 3: in unpaid child support, and she was facing a deadline 228 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 3: in the coming days to pay two hundred dollars of 229 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: that four thousand, or she was going to lose her 230 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 3: driver's license. That was what they were threatening. So two 231 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 3: hundred dollars, that can't be the reason why she did this. 232 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 3: But maybe it was the straw that broke the camel's back. 233 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: Maybe that maybe she'd been on edge for a long 234 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: time in the back and forth, like you said, continues. 235 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: Look that you can a story about the double murder 236 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: can get sadder, but to think it was over possibly 237 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: two hundred dollars is tough to stomach. This is a 238 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: This is a bizarre when got what now. 239 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 3: Five five kids according to the sheriff, between these two marriages, 240 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 3: and they are now I don't know the ages. 241 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 2: I only know the age of the fifteen year. 242 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: Old, but I have right all five are her kids. 243 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 3: Yes, and now it's unclear where they are. But I'm 244 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 3: imagining if it was her first marriage and she had 245 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 3: a fifteen year old her second marriage, who this man 246 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 3: who she also killed, I'm imagining those kids that are 247 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 3: obviously younger. If you do the math, I would think 248 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 3: they are younger kids. So that is incredibly tragic, and 249 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 3: that's what the sheriff was speaking to. That was the 250 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 3: real tragedy here, that these kids are now literally orphans 251 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 3: for all intent and purposes. 252 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: So she right. 253 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 3: Now has only technically been charged with second degree homicide 254 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 3: for the murder of her first husband, but they say 255 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 3: that will almost certainly upgraded to a first degree murder 256 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 3: charge after prosecutors conveni granduri, which is supposed to be 257 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 3: happening shortly, and they are saying that they will likely 258 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 3: seek the death penalty in that and then for the 259 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 3: Tampa murder, they are about to bring those charges as well. 260 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 2: So she still has a lot more legal. 261 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 3: Hoops to jump through, but it looks like at the 262 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 3: end of the day she is going to be facing one, 263 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 3: probably two first degree murder charges, and we know how 264 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 3: Florida rolls, it is very likely that she would then 265 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 3: be facing the death penalty. Because the sheriff also made 266 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 3: this statement, we believe this was premeditated. She knew exactly 267 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 3: what she was doing. She came here solely to kill 268 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 3: her ex husbands period. 269 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: End of story. 270 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was waiting and that was mine. It 271 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: was going to be my question to you about second 272 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: degree they're going to be upgraded. Yes, the premeditation, there 273 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: is a there was a maliciousness to this crime. That Yeah, 274 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: that was my question too. You have you seen anything? 275 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: Did they give anybody a reason for why they're going 276 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: after the death ploding? 277 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 3: Just the fact that it was premeditated, and I think 278 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 3: the fact that she thought about this and did what 279 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 3: she did and essentially orphaned her children, I think all 280 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 3: of that is taken into consideration. And by the way, 281 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 3: I mentioned what the boyfriend had told police about what 282 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 3: she said to him the day before. 283 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: Another interesting. 284 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 3: So he talked about what she did before these alleged crimes, 285 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 3: and then he also told police what she did after 286 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 3: the alleged crime, So before she got seen or got caught, 287 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 3: I should say, bringing out bleach and rags, trying to 288 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 3: wipe down her car. The boyfriend said that when she 289 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 3: came back home after this road trip, that he didn't 290 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 3: know what she was doing. He said she got into 291 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 3: the shower while she was wearing the same gray sweatshirt 292 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 3: that her daughter described that was seen in the surveillance video. 293 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 3: At the Panera bread and he thought that was bizarre. 294 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 3: I'm wondering why this boyfriend wasn't asking more questions, Babe, 295 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 3: why are you getting into the shower with your clothes on? 296 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 3: But he made that point to police too, soet. 297 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: Obviously you would say to your significant other, what in 298 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: the world are you doing? Maybe he knew something was up. Okay, 299 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: here we go. 300 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 2: Oh, he said, she didn't explicitly tell me what happened. 301 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: Explicitly he suspected. We'll see what happens. That's this is 302 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: just an It's an awful one, it's an intriguing one. 303 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: It's a fascinating one, and we wait to possibly get 304 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: some answers for exactly why why she did this. But yeah, 305 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: just one we wanted to hop on and tell you 306 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: about here. We will continue to follow it here on 307 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: Amy and TJ Presents. We always appreciate you spending some 308 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: time with us. But for now and for my dear 309 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: Amy Robot, I'm TJ. Holmes. We will talk to you 310 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: all soon.