Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Katty and now He Armstrong and Yeddy.
Speaker 3: Easter Sunday happens to fall on the same day as
Speaker 3: the marijuana holiday for twenty which means, no matter what
Speaker 3: your religion, this Sunday, you're probably going to see a
Speaker 3: giant bunny.
Speaker 2: Why was Conan O'Brien doing a joke? Is that old? Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's an old class Okay, got you? Yeah, gotcha?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I love Conan.
Speaker 1: Made a really serious point, But why would I I
Speaker 1: got an article from The Oregonian about disappearing church going
Speaker 1: in Oregon. Maybe I'll hit that later. Makes me sad?
Speaker 1: Might just be nostalgia. Is it because I think religion
Speaker 1: is so important? Or is it just nostalgia Sometimes it's
Speaker 1: hard to separate in my head. It might be a
Speaker 1: little of both.
Speaker 4: But I think it's an instinctive reaction, honestly, I do so.
Speaker 4: Coming up, AOC and Bernard Sanders are on their Fighting
Speaker 4: Oligarchy tour.
Speaker 2: Yeah good, and.
Speaker 4: They hit one of the delightfully red parts of California.
Speaker 4: Folsom California side of the famous Johnny Cash prison and
Speaker 4: we're calling out Congressman Kevin Kylie bad mouthing him in
Speaker 4: front of the hordes. Well, Kevin is going to answer
Speaker 4: later this hour on the Armstrong and Getty Show, looking
Speaker 4: forward to that.
Speaker 5: They should open falls of prison to olig Ox, They
Speaker 5: should tell Lucy inmates who are victims of white supremacy
Speaker 5: and capitalism.
Speaker 4: So yesterday we talked at length about the battle between
Speaker 4: the Trump administration and Harvard and the bigger issue of
Speaker 4: how to clean up the infection that is Neo Marxism
Speaker 4: in our education system in general, but especially in our
Speaker 4: colleges and universities. How do we get back to the
Speaker 4: principles of the free exchange of ideas and academic freedom
Speaker 4: and the horrible like Dei.
Speaker 2: Statements and that sort of thing. How do how do
Speaker 2: we clean that out?
Speaker 4: How do we fix that without violating our own principles?
Speaker 4: The Trump administration will very short summary then I want
Speaker 4: to get into some folks ideas that the email to us.
Speaker 1: But we were saying, if Trump uses the powers of
Speaker 1: the federal government to control what's taught in colleges, the
Speaker 1: next lunatic left sho to get in office.
Speaker 2: Is going to do the same thing, right, right?
Speaker 4: Too many executive orders, not enough, Congress not enough, the
Speaker 4: culture demands.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, why would any administration be
Speaker 1: in favor of gazillions of dollars a taxpayer money going
Speaker 1: to a college that you feel like is teaching things
Speaker 1: opposite everything you believe?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Why doesthetical to the principles of the country, never mind
Speaker 1: what I believe?
Speaker 4: Why would taxpayers fund that? Okay, so a bunch of emails,
Speaker 4: I said, all right, how do we do this? What
Speaker 4: techniques should we use that? Does anybody have any thoughts?
Speaker 4: And as always, you guys, you folks, responded with brilliance
Speaker 4: and creativity.
Speaker 2: Let's see this is.
Speaker 4: And there's a bunch here, Jack, Well, just we'll sort
Speaker 4: through them and discuss as necessary. Sarah with a nice
Speaker 4: note about going back to grad school the first time
Speaker 4: in twenty ten twenty eleven, the second time in twenty
Speaker 4: nineteen through twenty one in California and how the viewpoint
Speaker 4: diversity on campus in that first stint was challenging but
Speaker 4: not impossible, but by twenty nineteen through twenty one, and
Speaker 4: exacerbated by COVID, she writes, I noticed social justice and
Speaker 4: every every class, rubric incorporated into instruction in every class,
Speaker 4: which seemed to be legally required and actually is in California,
Speaker 4: which is sick. So you know, and some people said, dudes,
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, you're concerned about you don't want
Speaker 4: the government to control what's being taught. They're controlling it
Speaker 4: like crazy right now, reinforcing the neo Marxism.
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. So that was more about her experience.
Speaker 1: Now on the ideas, there wasn't any pushback from the
Speaker 1: universities when you're jamming, you know, Marxist philosophy in there
Speaker 1: with the government funding. There was no pushback because the
Speaker 1: universities were happy to teach it. So it didn't really
Speaker 1: make the news, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: So Jennifer writes a nice note, love hearing your thoughts
Speaker 4: on academic freedom today. I'm glad it's always that you
Speaker 4: don't just follow along with the latest Trump caper or
Speaker 4: caprice note to self, use the term caprice more. I
Speaker 4: was pleased to hear the discomfort in your voice as
Speaker 4: you pondered as directives to Harvard academic and freedom and
Speaker 4: tenure have a long entangled origin.
Speaker 2: And she goes into some of the history of it.
Speaker 4: But academic freedom and tenure have their roots in protecting
Speaker 4: institutions and individuals from incoming rulers and administrations. Protecting the
Speaker 4: scientists whose theories went against the teachings of the church.
Speaker 4: For example, academic freedom meant no more burning heretical academics
Speaker 4: at the stake. Intention was a very, very wise and
Speaker 4: benign one. There cannot be scientific progress, or controversial literature,
Speaker 4: new forms of artistic expression, or questioning the King without
Speaker 4: art without economic freedom. Removing academic freedom, which is what
Speaker 4: Trump is trying to do. You know, I would interject,
Speaker 4: but Jennifer's.
Speaker 2: No academic freedom.
Speaker 1: Right now, we know that you cannot be a scientist
Speaker 1: at Harvard and not believe in climate change. You couldn't
Speaker 1: or publish a paper. You couldn't do that. So that's
Speaker 1: not academic freedom.
Speaker 4: Well right, And I'm going to interject here, Jennifer, because
Speaker 4: I think she is semi unintentionally stated exactly the problem.
Speaker 2: I'm going to rephrase her sentence.
Speaker 4: Removing academic freedom, which is what Trump is trying to do.
Speaker 4: To restore any semblance of academic freedom, would basically reverse
Speaker 4: a thousand years of progress. Well, that would be true
Speaker 4: if it were not already snuffed out on college CAMPI
Speaker 4: to to you know, in the vast majority of them,
Speaker 4: but now, okay, to solutions. I liked your leaning toward
Speaker 4: a reasonable stance of actually enforcing existing civil rights laws
Speaker 4: and then working to change culture within institutions. What Trump
Speaker 4: is trying to do woul bring on predictable chaos. Honestly,
Speaker 4: with the vitriol coming from the far left, I truly
Speaker 4: believe that if they ever gained real power, conservatives of
Speaker 4: any stripe would be in literal danger. I'd hate to
Speaker 4: see Trump setting them up for that and that much power.
Speaker 1: Well, one of the questions I was asking is why
Speaker 1: are they getting federal money anyway? Harvard is sitting on
Speaker 1: fifty three billion dollars and the Wall Street Journal actually
Speaker 1: has an article today. Is Harvard's fifty three billion dollars
Speaker 1: endowment big enough to offs at the funny cuts?
Speaker 2: I haven't read it yet, but I've got an interest
Speaker 2: than that. Yeah, that's I was question.
Speaker 1: I would just pull back and say, fine, well, we'll
Speaker 1: fund it ourselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: We also had an emailer staunchly defending taxpayer paid for
Speaker 4: research at universities.
Speaker 2: I get it. Very very good defense.
Speaker 1: Get I get why it would work, but I get
Speaker 1: the theory, kind of like that person was talking about.
Speaker 1: But the reality is the reality is there's only one
Speaker 1: point of view that's allowed, including research. So I don't
Speaker 1: want my taxpayer money going to universities that only allow
Speaker 1: research that fits in with their politics.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, more strictly spent to research, money, more reasonably
Speaker 4: spent would be fine.
Speaker 2: Here's a note from Tim here.
Speaker 4: I liked your thoughts on reigning and Harvard and other
Speaker 4: and their DEI programs, among other things. Here's my ideas
Speaker 4: for doing that to them in other colleges that push
Speaker 4: woke ideology. The government should sue them for any violations
Speaker 4: of any law. Recruit plaintiffs who have been agreed by
Speaker 4: the woke pol season represent them in lawsuits. I love
Speaker 4: that withhold every diamond support, ask alumni to withhold their
Speaker 4: financial support. Expose them for the leftist agenda they're pushing
Speaker 4: on the students. Make it clear that a degree from
Speaker 4: Harvard has become a liability and not an asset. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: So combination of you know, attention on the progress the
Speaker 4: problem and enforcing laws strictly and consistently.
Speaker 2: This reminds me a little bit of the problem with the.
Speaker 1: From the left, and we didn't agree with this their
Speaker 1: idea of fixing racism with more racism. Yeah, this has
Speaker 1: got a little bit of the fixing lack of academic
Speaker 1: freedom with more of a lack of academic freedom.
Speaker 4: Right, That's that's what troubles me about it. And it's
Speaker 4: a conundrum. It's a hard you know, not to crack,
Speaker 4: which is why we ask for input from the folks.
Speaker 4: A couple more. Our friend, Frank, Thanks Frank. It's an
Speaker 4: honor to be your friend, writes the Real Culprit. The
Speaker 4: original sin if you Will is the Higher Education Act
Speaker 4: of nineteen sixty five, which is the legislation that allows
Speaker 4: the federal government who influence a private colleges policies and
Speaker 4: operations if it or its students.
Speaker 2: Receives any federal money. This must be rescinded.
Speaker 4: Hillsdale College is famous for not taking federal money and
Speaker 4: is therefore immune from federal meddling. This age is just
Speaker 4: one of the lefty strategies that's caused the left to
Speaker 4: expand their power.
Speaker 1: This is the if you still live with your parents,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to follow their rules principle.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, and it's notable that this was, you know,
Speaker 4: during the reign of the Benevolent Great Society LBJ, who
Speaker 4: decimated the American family, particularly the black family, by subsidizing families,
Speaker 4: breaking up kids out of wedlock, the rest of it.
Speaker 4: If you ever have any time, look at the comparison
Speaker 4: of employment rates, imprisonment rates, education rates, et cetera among
Speaker 4: Black Americans between nineteen fifty and nineteen seventy. You'll read
Speaker 4: some stuff that will open your eyes. Let's see, this
Speaker 4: is kind of neither here nor there, but I liked it.
Speaker 4: Kim writing about how does school districts enforce equity in Oregon?
Speaker 4: Because the problem goes all the way down to K
Speaker 4: through twelve. In one case, in the town of Independence,
Speaker 4: they couldn't find replacements for special needs teachers who were
Speaker 4: absent for a very short period, so they closed down
Speaker 4: the entire school because it would be inequitable to give
Speaker 4: the vast majority of students instructional time that the special
Speaker 4: needs students didn't get crazy. That's crazy again, that's not exactly,
Speaker 4: but it's just more of the insanity. We're trying to
Speaker 4: fight a couple more. We got a great note from
Speaker 4: Mary who is the chairman and CEO of.
Speaker 2: Independent institute.
Speaker 4: That works on this stuff a lot, and she recommended
Speaker 4: a couple of books that they are part of, including
Speaker 4: when they just released two days ago, Let Colleges Fail
Speaker 4: The Power of Creative Destruction and Higher Education. And Mary
Speaker 4: will absolutely be in touch about the book and about
Speaker 4: what you all are trying to do.
Speaker 2: Sounds just terrific. Yeah, there needs to be a little
Speaker 2: more of that.
Speaker 4: And you know what's interesting is colleges and universities have
Speaker 4: become so much like all the other giant, bloated, stupid
Speaker 4: bureaucracies we talk about all the time. They are so
Speaker 4: in bed with the government at this point, exactly the
Speaker 4: same dynamics are at play. There's no responsiveness to taxpayers.
Speaker 4: They just get bigger and bigger, no matter how bad
Speaker 4: they are at their jobs.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm really intrigued by that.
Speaker 4: How about Randy in Pennsylvania listening to your comments blah
Speaker 4: blah blah. Intentionally or not, Trump is doing what needs
Speaker 4: to be done by getting this out in the open
Speaker 4: for people to see what's going on, especially to hear
Speaker 4: the progressive responses, which would shock many of us Hopefully
Speaker 4: this will encourage people to get involved locally by getting
Speaker 4: onto school boards to make a change at local levels.
Speaker 4: I attended a day long program last Thursday by the
Speaker 4: Institute of Faith and Freedom at Grove City College again Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4: Can only say that I was hugely encouraged by the
Speaker 4: dialogue provided by for recent grads, very refreshing. I like
Speaker 4: that attack it at the elementary and high school levels,
Speaker 4: local school boards. This is tom Leave. You touched on
Speaker 4: it a little bit yesterday. You were mentioning letting the
Speaker 4: free market decide. I think that's one part of it.
Speaker 4: The other part of it is doing what we're doing
Speaker 4: now simply stated, no federal funding of discriminatory policies or
Speaker 4: violation of.
Speaker 2: Civil rights laws. Yeah, that's true. That's absolutely true.
Speaker 1: Ideological bigotry so much harder to root out, all right,
Speaker 1: How would you have any sort of rule where you
Speaker 1: force Harvard to fund research that doesn't believe in climate change?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: Final note, we're gonna squeeze it in Burbank Luke, guys,
Speaker 4: I hope this problem takes care of itself. You touched
Speaker 4: on it yesterday. A degree from Harvard and others carries baggage.
Speaker 4: Now the job applicant is not only possibly a leftist activist,
Speaker 4: but you now have to wonder how smart they are.
Speaker 4: I'm an engineer, and we only care about experience. I
Speaker 4: know dozens of solid engineers who went to quote unquote
Speaker 4: lesser schools who've done astounding stuff. Frankly, the elite engineering schools,
Speaker 4: two of which are might now woke Alma Maters, been
Speaker 4: overrated for a long time and aren't worth the tuition.
Speaker 2: That's interesting.
Speaker 1: Wow, Wow sucks if you sent your kid there and
Speaker 1: paid for it. We've got a lot of thanks for
Speaker 1: your thoughts, everybody. We appreciate it. Yeah, that's good stuff.
Speaker 6: At car dealerships across the country, the rush to beat
Speaker 6: the tariffs is on. Even customers who really don't need
Speaker 6: a car are buying now before prices could rise by
Speaker 6: as much as twenty five percent, and used car invatory
Speaker 6: is also shrinking, but buyers shopping for cheaper options than
Speaker 6: new cars with prices short rise, used car sales up
Speaker 6: twelve percent compared to a year ago.
Speaker 2: What was your takeaway from that? You look shocked. Well,
Speaker 2: if you don't need a car, why are you buying
Speaker 2: one at all?
Speaker 7: I mean.
Speaker 4: Your car will lasts until things change again, unless you
Speaker 4: think there's some sort of permanent, actual long term protectionist plying,
Speaker 4: which I don't.
Speaker 1: No, No, I'll tell you what a guy told me
Speaker 1: the other day. I was talking to this guy who
Speaker 1: was doing some work for me. He's asking about my cyberbeast,
Speaker 1: and I said, yeah, my oldest son got too tall
Speaker 1: for the back seat of my car, so I needed something.
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, that seems like a good excuse.
Speaker 1: People want an excuse to buy a different car. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what they're doing. That percentage of people. That was
Speaker 1: all it needed to say, Well, honey, I suppose we better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as soon as you reach a level of financial
Speaker 4: comfort that buying a car is not because the last
Speaker 4: one won't run anymore and you desperately need.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's excuse making.
Speaker 1: So tomorrow is good Friday, I say with guilt in that,
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't even.
Speaker 2: Know where this comes from, being.
Speaker 1: Completely open and honest about this, I don't even know
Speaker 1: where the guilt comes from that I'm not. I don't
Speaker 1: do anything for good Friday. I'm not planning to go
Speaker 1: to church on Sunday. And more importantly, my guilt is
Speaker 1: about the fact that I don't have my kids going
Speaker 1: to church on Sunday, and I don't know. I went
Speaker 1: to church on Sunday for Easter when I was a
Speaker 1: kid and did all the Eastern stuff and I enjoyed it, actually,
Speaker 1: so I feel guilty about that.
Speaker 2: I was looking at these statistics.
Speaker 1: The decline in people who call themselves Christians has leveled
Speaker 1: off since twenty nineteen. It had been declining for quite
Speaker 1: a few years. Now it's leveled off and it's not
Speaker 1: declining anymore. Here are the latest numbers, which I thought
Speaker 1: was kind of interesting. Nationally. Well, let me just do
Speaker 1: these organ numbers because I thought it was interesting. And
Speaker 1: this is from an Oregon newspaper and they're just talking
Speaker 1: about organ which is less churchy than the rest of
Speaker 1: the country. But it's kind of an interesting glimpse in
Speaker 1: TI your non churchy states like Oregon, in California, I'm
Speaker 1: sure in two thousand as recently a two thousand and seven,
Speaker 1: two thirds of adults in Oregon identified themselves as Christians.
Speaker 1: By the most recent survey last year, it's down to
Speaker 1: forty three, so it dropped from sixty seven to forty
Speaker 1: three from two thirty eight.
Speaker 4: God, that's quite a drop and a pretty short amount flushing,
Speaker 4: isn't it. I'd love to hear an explanation of that.
Speaker 4: Is it is there a been mass migration.
Speaker 1: And for the whole country it went from seventy eight
Speaker 1: so damn near eighty percent in two thousand and seven
Speaker 1: called themselves Christians and it's still sixty two percent. But
Speaker 1: that's a that's a healthy drop. Yeah, but it is
Speaker 1: leveled off and it hasn't dropped over the last three years.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. Just thrown it out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would never want anything close to theocracy, but
Speaker 4: to deny that the foundation of English common law in
Speaker 4: the Constitution has a lot to do with Judeo Christian
Speaker 4: principles just being ignorant. They are intertwined.
Speaker 2: What are we coming up?
Speaker 4: Kevin Kylie, congressman from a conservative part of California, claps
Speaker 4: back against AOC and Bernie who called him out the other.
Speaker 7: Day, Armstrong and getdy.
Speaker 8: Kevin Kylie knows that this is not what you want.
Speaker 2: He knows that it is deeply unpopular.
Speaker 1: He knows that it hurts the people of fulsome, but he.
Speaker 2: Is not there to serve working families.
Speaker 8: He is there to serve himself and the billionaire class
Speaker 8: that put him there. Well, mister Kylie, I think some
Speaker 8: of your constituents have a message for you. Don't vote
Speaker 8: to give tax breaks to billionaires and cut programs that
Speaker 8: the working class of this country desperately needs.
Speaker 1: Man. I wish, I wish we could talk to this
Speaker 1: Kevin Kylie person, but he's probably busy giving a foot
Speaker 1: rub to some oligarch right now.
Speaker 4: Oh, I tell you what typical of former English high
Speaker 4: school teachers. Kevin Kylie has become an unrecognizable monster, apparently
Speaker 4: according to AOC and Bernie, And we'll talk to the
Speaker 4: monster now. Congressman Kevin Kylie of California's third District, Kevin,
Speaker 4: how are you, sir?
Speaker 7: I'm doing well. So nice of you to welcome you.
Speaker 9: To your program, despite you know what you've heard from
Speaker 9: our friends Bernie and AOC.
Speaker 1: There, you're currently on your hands and knees serving as
Speaker 1: a footstool for an oligarch.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, it's crazy.
Speaker 9: Did you see she's fly first class for this fight oligarchy?
Speaker 2: Score? Yeah, right right?
Speaker 4: Seriously, And Kevin, you're not going to blow your own
Speaker 4: horn but if you if you knew Kevin, a former
Speaker 4: high school teacher, son of a teacher, who believes in
Speaker 4: fiscal responsibility, educational choice, you know, American values. To to
Speaker 4: call them some sort of lackey for all of ours
Speaker 4: is hilarious. But how would you respond to the screens
Speaker 4: that you've heard?
Speaker 9: Oh my gosh, where do I even begin. Well, for
Speaker 9: one thing, you know, I actually told both of them
Speaker 9: and I said, look, I'll debate you while you're in
Speaker 9: town if you want. But no, they much prefer to
Speaker 9: just stand up behind a teleprompter and attack me from
Speaker 9: there than actually try to defend their ideas. But it's
Speaker 9: like when you look at what they advocate for. Okay,
Speaker 9: they want their socialists. They have a social's division for America.
Speaker 9: They believe in open borders, they believe in defunding the police.
Speaker 9: They believe in essentially attacking and effectively abolishing small businesses
Speaker 9: or at least making life miserable for them. These ideas
Speaker 9: have actually been implemented in the very states.
Speaker 1: That they visited.
Speaker 9: In California, no more so than in places like San Francisco,
Speaker 9: or in Oakland or some Los Angeles. So we don't
Speaker 9: have to theorize about what the consequences are. We can
Speaker 9: see it in the real world that many Californians have
Speaker 9: had to live with, and what are the consequences because
Speaker 9: we have at a cont full crime and homelessness and poverty,
Speaker 9: and ironically enough inequality. California has one of the most
Speaker 9: is one of the most highest.
Speaker 7: Inequality states in the entire country. So I'd say, just
Speaker 7: look at the reality that we have.
Speaker 9: Fortunately, I happen to represent an area where we do
Speaker 9: things differently, and precisely because of that, we've managed to
Speaker 9: maintain a much higher quality of life than the rest
Speaker 9: of California.
Speaker 1: That's quite a crowd they drew, though enthusiastic crowd, as
Speaker 1: Burnie always does. You know, there's just enough chunk of
Speaker 1: people that buy that whole socialist vision that show up
Speaker 1: and cheerleg crazy and I can't. So they're trying to
Speaker 1: do what Trump did, where he would go into blue
Speaker 1: areas and draw a big crowd of excited conservatives that
Speaker 1: don't feel represented in that area and then call out
Speaker 1: the local person and then make a lot of news
Speaker 1: that way. So I guess that's the whole point is
Speaker 1: to get you to respond. I don't see how it
Speaker 1: benefits them exactly though.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know, and you don't know how many
Speaker 7: people cobby from.
Speaker 9: You know about it a laguaria and how our people
Speaker 9: come from. So you know, but look, I feel like,
Speaker 9: you know, people want to go and participate in that.
Speaker 9: I think it's fine. I think that people of whatever
Speaker 9: viewpoint they are is, whether you're far or less communists
Speaker 9: or wherever you are on the spectrum, I think it's
Speaker 9: it's a healthy thing to be an active participant in
Speaker 9: the political process.
Speaker 7: It just so happens that the ideas that ms.
Speaker 9: Ocassio Cortes and Senator Standards are espousing are completely disastrous.
Speaker 1: Right, So you know, the Trump example is he's going
Speaker 1: around the country touting something that is majority mostly things
Speaker 1: that were majority popular or close to go ahead and
Speaker 1: nominate Bernie Ocassio Cortez. The lose forty eight states, So
Speaker 1: go ahead, you know, get as much attention as you want, exactly.
Speaker 9: So, I mean, honestly, I think it's a great thing
Speaker 9: in the sense that they're providing a very clear contrast
Speaker 9: that we have a choice between radical socialism, which has
Speaker 9: failed disasters everywhere it's been tried, including in places like
Speaker 9: San Francisco, or a return of the common sense that
Speaker 9: is sweeping the country right now and that is desperately
Speaker 9: needed in California.
Speaker 4: Congressman Kevin Kylie on the line serves California's third district
Speaker 4: to a very sane quadrant of California, not far from
Speaker 4: the radio ranch at all. So, Kevin, I love the
Speaker 4: point you made about the income inequality in California, and
Speaker 4: it brought to mind a couple of stories I've heard
Speaker 4: from friends who are small business people and or would
Speaker 4: be small business people who tried to get something started
Speaker 4: that would employ people and thereby feed and clothe them
Speaker 4: and educate their children, and the bureaucrats extorted them for
Speaker 4: either just exhorbitant amounts of money and permit fees and
Speaker 4: that sort of thing, or the paperwork was so dizzying
Speaker 4: it just discouraged them from doing it at all.
Speaker 7: Oh, that's right, exactly.
Speaker 9: And it's terrible at the state level in California. And
Speaker 9: then you go to places like Los Angeles or San
Speaker 9: Francisco or Oakland, and then you pile on the bureau
Speaker 9: officey there, and it's why so many small businesses are
Speaker 9: I mean, people in every community in California can tell
Speaker 9: you their favorite restaurant had to shut down or their
Speaker 9: favorite small business had to shut down. It's why you
Speaker 9: a look at San Francisco. They've been leaving in droves.
Speaker 9: And you know, California also has the highest level of
Speaker 9: real poverty of every state in the country.
Speaker 7: Think about that.
Speaker 9: We've had one party rule for a long long time,
Speaker 9: Gavin Newsom and the supermajority legislature, and they've produced the
Speaker 9: highest poverty rate in the United States.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: That's quite a stat say say that again, so I
Speaker 1: fully understand it.
Speaker 9: California has the highest poverty rate in the United States
Speaker 9: when you factor in the cost of living. That is
Speaker 9: sort of the wild you know. Verdict for what these
Speaker 9: policies give you is they give you precisely the opposite
Speaker 9: of what Bernie and AOC are promising.
Speaker 2: Newsome twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 4: Who's with me, so, Kevin, We've had an extended discussion
Speaker 4: over the last couple of days about the situation in
Speaker 4: American education K through PhD and and it's our belief
Speaker 4: that it's it's it's a huge challenge for the United
Speaker 4: States that so many of our educational institutions are teaching
Speaker 4: our kids to despise their country and Western civilization and
Speaker 4: that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: It's awful.
Speaker 4: You come from an education background, I know it's near
Speaker 4: and dear to your heart. Do you have any thoughts
Speaker 4: on how do we restore some semblance excuse me, of
Speaker 4: academic freedom without taking away academic freedom by you know,
Speaker 4: heavy handed mandates on college.
Speaker 2: Is that something you think about much?
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, that's a great question. And you know, of
Speaker 9: course this is all coming to a head with this
Speaker 9: showdown between the administration and Harvard, But you know, we
Speaker 9: need to think about what exactly happened on that and
Speaker 9: a number of other campuses across this country.
Speaker 7: You had this.
Speaker 9: Absolutely abhorrent explosion in anti semitism. This isn't like some
Speaker 9: small thing that went wrong. It's one of the world's
Speaker 9: most abhorrent, recro grade, ancient prejudices that suddenly for antilite
Speaker 9: in this horrifying way, that threatened the safety of students,
Speaker 9: that they took over buildings, they shut down campuses.
Speaker 7: Essentially, essentially, people didn't feel safe on campus.
Speaker 9: And so I think that that has led many people
Speaker 9: to ask what has gone so incredibly wrong?
Speaker 7: On these campuses.
Speaker 9: And it's not the sort of thing that the administration
Speaker 9: is saying where you can just have some whatever, some
Speaker 9: focus groups, some passport, some committee that says, okay, well
Speaker 9: we'll try to do a little bit better.
Speaker 7: No, this is exposed something that.
Speaker 9: Is fundamentally wrong, problems that are deeply rooted in the
Speaker 9: culture of academia that frankly have in some cases been
Speaker 9: incubated at our universities and then spread throughout the country.
Speaker 7: And so I think that there this is a time
Speaker 7: where we need.
Speaker 9: To demand fundamental reforms precisely to assure things like academic freedom.
Speaker 7: Because remember, even.
Speaker 9: Before the horrifying scenes we've seen over the last year
Speaker 9: and a half, Harvard, just to take that as an example, again,
Speaker 9: was the very worst college in the entire country when
Speaker 9: it came to protecting free speech. There was a survey
Speaker 9: fifty one colleges. They ranked them, how good are you
Speaker 9: at actually allowing free speech, protecting the First Amendment? Harvard
Speaker 9: was deadlas I forgot.
Speaker 2: That's unbelievable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, we'll have to schedule time to talk
Speaker 4: at greater length about this, because again, I think it
Speaker 4: may be the most important problem facing the United states.
Speaker 4: But you're right, we need to call it out, raise awareness,
Speaker 4: enforce the laws as they stand, and just chip away
Speaker 4: at the deal.
Speaker 1: Go back to making coffee for the oligarchs and we'll
Speaker 1: let you go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's the monster described by and AOC and Bernie.
Speaker 4: I hope your children weren't frightened. Rhetoric, Kevin Kylie always
Speaker 4: always great to talk.
Speaker 2: Keep fighting a good fight.
Speaker 7: You bet, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1: So my joke about he was on his hands and
Speaker 1: knees as a footstool for an oligark. The reason, the
Speaker 1: reason that popped into my head is reading this book
Speaker 1: yes today, and I won't get bogged down on what
Speaker 1: it is, but it was about the elite private schools
Speaker 1: in England in the.
Speaker 2: Early twentieth century.
Speaker 1: We talked about this before Christopher Hitchins Rights, about how
Speaker 1: brutal they were. I mean it's just amazing. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you were rich, you sent your kid to the
Speaker 1: hardest to get in school, they were gonna be raped
Speaker 1: or fondled, beaten, with no repercussions from bullies.
Speaker 2: All kinds of horrible things.
Speaker 1: Anyway, at length, yes, I was talking about the he
Speaker 1: went to one of your super fancy private schools. I
Speaker 1: mean he was like your upper crust of England. And
Speaker 1: the headmaster, the guy who ran the school there, his
Speaker 1: wife would make two of the kids get on their
Speaker 1: hands and knees as a footstool for an evening at
Speaker 1: the school.
Speaker 2: Good work if you can get Oh my god, wow,
Speaker 2: isn't that crazy? Wow? That you know? Oh boy?
Speaker 4: I would love to talk to some some Brits about
Speaker 4: how that fits into the overall British vibe, you know,
Speaker 4: the culture.
Speaker 2: And because that's so abhorrent.
Speaker 1: Rich if you were rich, you sent your kids off
Speaker 1: to be abused, and everybody knew it. It was because
Speaker 1: most of them went to the same school. You went
Speaker 1: to the school and were abused, and then you'd send
Speaker 1: your kid to the same school to be abused.
Speaker 4: Right, would become an obedient cog who repressed his feelings
Speaker 4: and behaved in a very British way.
Speaker 2: How that's what I was driving at.
Speaker 1: And there's actually some great pop music about this sort
Speaker 1: of thing, whether it's Pink Floyd's Another Brick in the
Speaker 1: Wall Part two or Bloody Well Right, the super Tramp
Speaker 1: classic about the British schooling system and how utterly dehumanizing.
Speaker 1: It was intentionally Wow. So they didn't come out of
Speaker 1: those schools, And thank god. One thing I'm never gonna
Speaker 1: do is have my kid go to some place like that.
Speaker 2: No, I did the opposite.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting and it's remark arkably different than the
Speaker 4: American spirit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say.
Speaker 1: She would make a couple of kids get on their
Speaker 1: hands and knees, so she'd use them much for a
Speaker 1: footstool in her evenings.
Speaker 4: That is that just be weird. I'm not sure I
Speaker 4: want a human footstool. I mean, even if one were
Speaker 4: offered to me, I'm not sure I would take you
Speaker 4: up on the office.
Speaker 1: I agree, I wouldn't feel right about it. It takes
Speaker 1: a certain personality to be okay with that. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: I will use you's furniture. Sure, don't get.
Speaker 2: Any ideas, Jack, I'm not coming in the studio. We
Speaker 2: have more of the ways there.
Speaker 10: Do I believe that people would have a conversation with
Speaker 10: me and get my perspective on things?
Speaker 2: Sure? Do I believe they would ever.
Speaker 10: Really really support me, Meaning those that have been entrench
Speaker 10: within the Democratic Party are now and for the last
Speaker 10: several years absolutely positively not look at what happened. I mean,
Speaker 10: you can look at Andrew Cmo, you can look at
Speaker 10: Al frankn you can look at a lot of different things.
Speaker 10: And at least on the left, what they say is
Speaker 10: that they eat their own, especially when they don't like you.
Speaker 2: Steven A.
Speaker 1: Smith, he's known as a sportscaster dabbling in politics, is
Speaker 1: actually looking into running for president in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1: He's on Hannity last night, perfectly aware that the left
Speaker 1: eats its own, but he's prepared for that now.
Speaker 2: A lot of young men.
Speaker 1: I mean, his name recognition among young males is sky high.
Speaker 1: And I might disagree with him on everything, but I
Speaker 1: would never poo pooh him running for office because he's
Speaker 1: a sportscaster.
Speaker 4: He's a very bright guy. He chose that profession. He's
Speaker 4: a citizen of the country. He has ideas run for office.
Speaker 1: You got two Trump related things that I think are
Speaker 1: interesting in these final minutes, so a lot of talk. Yesterday,
Speaker 1: Judge came out and said he's going to hold various
Speaker 1: people in contempt in the Trump administration if because they
Speaker 1: did something. Rather, we got this text on Brett Beherr
Speaker 1: last night, a Republican on the panel explained how the
Speaker 1: judge saying the White House being held in criminal contempt
Speaker 1: at court is because they were. And how about and
Speaker 1: this person says, how about when they held Eric Holder
Speaker 1: in contempt? Remember he was the Attorney General, the sitting
Speaker 1: Attorney General was held in contempt by Congress. I can
Speaker 1: hear America yelling, and what I've not seen him in jail.
Speaker 1: He still makes speeches and runs in circles of power.
Speaker 1: Nobody ever gets punished for being in contempt. Who cares well?
Speaker 4: Being in contempt at Congress is different than being held
Speaker 4: in contempt by a court. Okay, I have contempt for Congress.
Speaker 4: I should be held in contempt of Congress. I have
Speaker 4: practically nothing but contempt for Congress. Yeah, so legally it's
Speaker 4: a different thing.
Speaker 1: And this which I think is interesting from the New
Speaker 1: York Times been expecting an attack on Iran any day.
Speaker 1: New York Times says Israel had planned to strike Iranian
Speaker 1: nuclear sites as soon as next month, but has been
Speaker 1: waved off by President Trump in recent weeks in favor
Speaker 1: of negotiating a deal with Turan to limit its nuclear program.
Speaker 1: That's according to administration official and others briefed on the discussions.
Speaker 1: Why they're telling the New York Times, I don't know,
Speaker 1: might be on purpose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Mister Trump made his decision after months of internal debate
Speaker 1: over whether to pursue diplomacy or support Israel and seeking
Speaker 1: to set back Iran's ability to build a bomb at
Speaker 1: a time when Iran has been weakened militarily and economically.
Speaker 2: I think they've got to go now.
Speaker 1: But he's trying diplomacy first, which I suppose is a
Speaker 1: good thing. And Mark Alprin's take on it is that
Speaker 1: the buzz in DC continues to escalate, that there will
Speaker 1: in fact be some sort of US Israeli strike before
Speaker 1: too long on Iran.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you said you think they've got to go now.
Speaker 4: What do you mean by now, before they have a
Speaker 4: chance to rebuild their I mean not like now, like today,
Speaker 4: I mean like this year, right, which is what I'm
Speaker 4: driving at is I suspect very strongly. Trump's teams said, look,
Speaker 4: we've got to have the political cover of we tried diplomacy.
Speaker 4: And I know they've been trying diplomacy for years and years,
Speaker 4: but let's take our shot at it now. It's going
Speaker 4: to go down in flames, and then we and BB
Speaker 4: bring the thunder. I suspect that's the strategy. That's going
Speaker 4: to be a big deal. I know you weren't here
Speaker 4: on Friday. I talked to Mike Lyons about this and
Speaker 4: he confirmed what.
Speaker 1: I wasn't available. I was watching golf. He confirmed what
Speaker 1: I've been saying. This would be the biggest military action
Speaker 1: by the United States of America since Shocking on two
Speaker 1: thousand and three.
Speaker 2: It's a big deal.
Speaker 1: Clearly, it's not going to be just one of those
Speaker 1: things where you read in the paper, you know, we
Speaker 1: launched a couple of air strikes and killed an Al
Speaker 1: Kaita member or something like that.
Speaker 2: It's going to be a big deal.
Speaker 4: And the resulting diplomacy with some of our friends in
Speaker 4: the air world is going to be a little complicated
Speaker 4: for a minute. It'll be just full of posturing and
Speaker 4: them shouting about oh, an American monster, blah blah blah,
Speaker 4: and then calling a White House and saying, hey, nice job,
Speaker 4: love it.
Speaker 1: Every country in the Middle East would be thrilled to
Speaker 1: see Iran knock down a pagan, not get a bomb.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely true.
Speaker 4: But it's gonna happen, and that'll make the diplomacy is
Speaker 4: going to fail and the bombs are gonna fall because
Speaker 4: Iran Tehran is going to try as hard as they
Speaker 4: can to pretend to negotiate and come up with some
Speaker 4: sort of lukewarm deal that buys them time.
Speaker 1: Right, the Secretary of State sureahawk on this. Oh yeah, And.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I suppose it comes down to whether or not Iran
Speaker 1: believes Trump would actually do it, And maybe they believe
Speaker 1: enough that he'll do it that they think, you know what,
Speaker 1: there's no point in having our city destroyed.
Speaker 8: Me.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's the other thing. Mike Client said, this would
Speaker 1: be regime change. This would be have to be regime change.
Speaker 1: That's what would the goal would be?
Speaker 9: Here?
Speaker 2: How intriguing.
Speaker 4: I may grab that and listen to it via podcast
Speaker 4: Armstrong and Getty on demand Friday's show. If I missed that,
Speaker 4: and I did, I was watching golf.
Speaker 1: So launching a regime change in a Middle Eastern country
Speaker 1: often leads to around for a while.
Speaker 4: Oh my, oh wait, now, hold hold on, give me
Speaker 4: a minute. Yeah, golly, well, it's a complicated world, isn't it.
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