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Well, se Man, 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:55.120 thanks for having me, Thank you for coming. I feel 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:58.839 like it's long, long, long overdue man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:00.640 I ain't really did know a lot of interviews into 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:04.840 up until right now. Yeah you got you know this. 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:07.880 I watched yesterday. I went to uh to uh Mele's 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:11.240 Diner and Sherman Oaks and watched the first Was it 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:13.560 the first full episode or was that two episodes? That 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.440 was only one? It goes so fast, right, it was 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:20.320 only that's the only episode one. So this FX show, 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.960 it's it's hip hop uncovered, right, hip hop uncovered, Yes, sir, 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:29.279 hip hop uncovered. It follows you and four others as 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:31.800 kind of behind the scenes factors in hip hop now 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:38.039 for people who aren't familiar with big U, I think 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.640 that if people were to just google big You, they're like, Okay, 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:45.400 big U is a big a gangster from LA. I 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:46.640 don't I don't want to. I I don't want to put 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:48.839 nothing on you that you know what I'm saying on camera, 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:53.799 but you know, explain to to the people who aren't 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:56.120 familiar with with who you are what you do, kind 0:04:56.120 --> 0:05:02.680 of like, why is there an FX show that centered raction? Man? 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.599 We pitched this show Jimmy Jimmy Chris came to me, 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.440 uh four years ago with the idea for a show. 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:11.320 And that's at the time that everybody was starting doing 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:17.240 shows and E. E E. T had hit the It was 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:19.160 that love and hip hop and hit real big, So 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.120 everybody was trying to get shows. And I had already 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:25.039 done like several documentaries. What people don't know about me 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:27.640 is how much work I have done in film and 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:31.240 projects and I had. I wrote and co acted and 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:37.480 acted in Forced of Execution with Ving Range, Danny Treio, 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:42.280 and Steven Sagau. I co wrote that with the guy 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.200 I got banged out of that didn't get my credits, 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:48.800 but I did jam messag Jay, two Turn Troubles and 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:52.920 Microphone Documentary. I produced several different films. I managed Ving 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:57.000 Range for like seven seven eight years from baby Boy. 0:05:57.520 --> 0:05:59.800 So it's just a lot of people never knew the 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:03.120 work that I've done, and so when I present projects, 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:10.280 it's crazy because uh, filmmakers are excited to see big 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:14.800 U rap music. It's scared to see their our owner. 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:17.159 Is he gonna rob us? He is he out to 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:21.160 get something? And and it's crazy because I'm more comfortable 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:26.119 in the in the in the area of making TV 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:29.000 shows and projects because I can go in the room 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:32.800 with filmmakers and people who produce in that area and 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.159 they see me as a story, they see me as 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:38.279 they like, Yo, you can have a mini series. Yeah, 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:40.640 and that's and their thing is that. But if I 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.440 go in with people who do music, it's the oh, 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.680 he's the blue Shita thug, or he come to rob us, 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.000 and they don't understand that I make most of my 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:53.120 money producing shows and that's even doing concerts. And so 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:58.040 that's what helped me get this done because people seeing 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:02.480 the vision. Yeah, I think it was like overdue. I remember, 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:04.080 I think I want to say me and Head were 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:05.800 talking about it, maybe like a year or two ago, 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:09.640 just like when is the big you like Netflix show coming, 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.320 not even like a documentary like someone plays you. You 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:14.360 know what I'm saying, and like just follows you through 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.440 your life and shit like but you mentioned people like 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:20.880 on the wrap side of things, like you definitely have 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.600 a stigma. Like you said, when it comes to the 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:28.040 hip hop world, people they might be intimidated or they 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:31.040 might be like, oh shit, a big us around like 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:36.040 what's going on? Type shit? Yeah, talk about your I 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:37.960 mean obviously for people who don't know, man, I mean, 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:39.320 we'll get it. We'll get into all of that. But 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.440 you know, you you found Nipsey. What was that O four, 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.120 O three? Oh oh no, I came home. You came 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:48.440 home four, So it was like five oh six, O seven. 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.680 Was Nipsey already working with Steve no Oka brough Steve 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.200 on Okay, Okay, I'm brought Steve on. So I come 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:58.760 home on O four and in O four I miss 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:03.240 Steve because Steve the time was dating my wife's niece. Okay, 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.200 So that's how I know Steve. I don't know Steve 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:08.520 from music. I know Steve. I bet I met him 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:10.880 in a music sitting at a concert and I didn't 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:14.040 have no artists at the time, so I met Steve. 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:16.040 He was kind of having some kind of conflict with 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:19.560 Sugar overseeing the N word, and I came home in 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:22.680 two thousand and four, so when I met Steve, he 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:24.920 was kind of standing on was like whoa what something like, 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.000 what's something in a big U? He was like all right, 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.560 he was like ready to go, and I'm like, what 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:34.120 was that. I had no clue about, you know, the 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:37.080 N word to see because I wasn't bresst to growing 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.160 on social media and all that shit yet. And so 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:45.280 that's how me and Steve met, And then he called 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:48.479 me or reached back out to me after he realized 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:53.160 that I was saying that my wife he knows he's 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:55.440 dating my wife's niece and they had been together for 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:57.720 like three four years. And then he was like, oh 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.000 wait a minute, man. He was like, man, he fuck music, man, 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:01.560 you don't want to give a shit to do something else. 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:05.280 And I'm like, yeah, right. But then I was messed 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.440 with SUG. So I had my run with SUG for 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:12.080 a while and managing Corrupt, and then when Corrupt left SUG. 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.520 That was early early on that was. That was early. 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:16.920 That was like in the early nineties. Well, you got 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:18.480 locked up in ninety one, right now, I got locked 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:20.600 in ninety one, and then come back to two thousand 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:22.720 and four. So when did you start working with Corrupt? 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.880 That was I started with Corrupt in ninety, like eighty nine, 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.920 nineteen eighty nine. By eighty nine ninety I met Corrupt. 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.560 So that was technically was that technically before death Row? Right, 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:34.800 it was definitely for death Road. That's why I said 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:36.840 the death Row thing wouldn't have happened and that and 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:39.400 amongst other things. And then I had la Quan, So 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:43.120 actually my first artist wasn't Corrupt, nor did my first 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:46.120 artist I ever dealt with singularly was Laqwan popeo q 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:49.360 we had. He had a gold selling album at the time, 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.439 the b Time, Okay Okay, and he came to me 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:56.559 in the Foxhill Mall and asked me to manage him. 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:58.800 And he was about fifteen to sixteen at a flat 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:02.200 top and he walked to me, no, no, no, no no, 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.880 Well Lakwan Poppy q Kenny Keepen. He was the first 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:07.360 one I ever dealt with. So he came up to 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:08.600 you at the moment he came up to me and 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:10.200 the mall was like, man, don't want you to manage me? 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:12.120 And I'm like no. The first thing he said to 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:14.200 me was crazy. He said he you were for my father, 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:17.320 right you big here. I'm like, I don't work for 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.600 your father. I never worked for your father. Who's your father? 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:23.120 Then he said, mister Green, and I'm like, oh, reverse that. 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.080 I have done work for your father. I have a 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.520 great deal of respect for your father. But his father 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:29.480 was in the FEDS on his way to the fair. 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:31.600 We knew he had got pop. I was his I 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:34.000 was his father's young boy. I was one of his fathers, 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:37.600 you know. Like he called me like, you're handle some shit. 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:41.240 And then now I'm seeing his son and he got 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:44.800 this flat tip he face cleaned, and I'm like, you 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.600 got a song. I ain't never heard the song. And 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:49.640 then when he right, when you know what somebody tell 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:52.760 you about something, now you start hearing it everywhere. And 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:55.480 so then he called me back, came to my house. 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:57.200 He like, man, I'm gonna show you how to do it. 0:10:57.360 --> 0:10:58.720 And I'm like, well, you got to show me what 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:00.440 the fuck to do, because I have no clue on 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.040 how to manage nothing. None of that. So then he 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:06.079 started going to He started taking me to his little shows, 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.640 going to his video shoes. I was going in and 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:10.880 then after a couple of months, now I'm still going 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:13.319 in and out of town hustling, and his shit got 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.920 even bigger. So I was seeing when he came back 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.480 to town. But then now I'm going I'm going to 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:22.199 the to the soda, getting my bread, coming back, and 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:26.240 so I was still messing with him. Then after about 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:29.240 you know, something happened and my crew got hit. So 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.359 I was kind of sitting at home and my broomfield 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.199 came to me and was like, I got a kid 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:36.480 named Corrupt. I want you to meet him. And so 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:38.320 I had the bread at the time, and his brother 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.559 had bread too, but he was like, man, come on, boy, help. 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.400 That's when I met Corrupt, and I started moving with Corrupt, 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.120 and it was kind of fast man. So it was 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:50.040 like it was like a labor of love. But and 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.560 how me and Corrupt relationship built because to me, it 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:54.560 was like I didn't know we even had a relationship 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.600 because I really hadn't done nothing for him. I wasn't 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:00.679 playing on signing him till my label to delict to 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:02.680 the table. We actually never got to the paperwork to 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:05.400 even get it done, but it was like he was signing. 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:08.320 And so I seen Corrupt one night going to go 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.480 do a lick with the homies, you know, going to go. 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:12.920 I pulled him out the car. I called him. He 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:16.520 tells the story all the time, and that established us right. 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:18.880 And then we would be in the garage, clown every vs. 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:23.040 Clown and wrapping. We all playing. And it was crazy 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:26.200 because I got a letter. I was on I was 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:29.720 on my sixth year in prison, and I got a 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:33.719 letter and it had three thousand dollars on it. So 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:36.280 when we get your mail, they'll send you like sometimes 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.280 they even send you a pictures first, or they'll send 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:40.160 you a card that you got money. And they sent 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:42.240 me the letter. Let me know, have money so I 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.640 can go fill out my draw. So I got three 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.319 thousand dollars and nobody never sent me three thousand dollars. 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:52.079 And then it was on lockdown. So I think, uh, 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:56.480 four or five days letter pictures came and it was 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:59.240 no letter, was just one thing in there and it 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:03.079 was like I love you and Corrupt, no letter, no 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:04.920 nothing that was it. And it was just a gang 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:07.679 of pictures and I'm like, damn, So he sent you 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:11.000 the three bands, sent me three bands some pictures. So 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.800 this was like ninety four ninety five, No, this would 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:17.280 have been ninety six ninety seven. It was so this 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.920 was like I was already in like because I wasn't 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.360 at Calipat no more. I was at what was I 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.080 It was like ninety six ninety seven Crups already you 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:30.760 know established, Yeah, because it was before a week of 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.360 Freaky came out. Yeah, that was after he left and 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.839 did the answer thing and the corrupt right, Okay, yeah, 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:37.559 you're right, you're right. So it was then he was 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.319 still with dev By that time, dog food was already 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.120 out dog pounds. It was before dog food because he 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:44.840 had got some when it was before. So when was that? 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.719 I think that was ninety five ninety five. That's when 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.000 he shit. That's when he hit me crazy and then 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.760 he then we came off lockdown and I called my wife. 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:55.559 My wife like, did you get the letter from Ricky? 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:57.000 And I'm like yeah, you got the win And I'm 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.040 like yeah, I want this store and everything, and I'm 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.800 like wall yeah, And I called him and then shortly 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:03.720 after that he brought me a cell phone like he 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.960 I had like the first cell phone in prison. Technically 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:12.040 that was contraband, right, Hello, that's a record label, by 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:16.520 the way, we contryband. No. So, uh so you when 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:17.840 you got out of jail, you said you were rocking 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.480 with Sugar. Yeah, and so explain to me that because 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:24.280 because you know Sugar is a very uh blooded he's 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:27.400 a well no, no, he's just a you know people. 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.720 People either have amazing things to say about him or 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.400 they got very polarizing, you know what I'm saying. So 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:37.080 when you got out, well, well my little brother got 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.400 killed first, my little brother got killed at the studio. 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:42.600 Were Corrupt now corrupt key rocking all them? So that 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.960 kind of like Sugar was in jail. I was in 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:49.240 jail yet not that he was. That kind of like 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.920 pondered us together, like when my little brother got killed, Sugar, 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:54.760 because Corrupt wanted to go back to death row. He 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.240 asked me, can to go back? And should he go back? 0:14:57.520 --> 0:14:59.560 And I'm like, yeah, get your money, like you can't 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:04.080 else bro back. So that that's when he went back 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.680 to death row after he left Entree, And that kind 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.000 of pissed Snoop and Dads. I remember there was that 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.760 there was that double XL cover with Corrupt and left 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.640 eye was on it and shut. Yeah, it was like 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:18.120 it was like when Corrupt like went back. Here was 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.880 that ship. It was probably probably around the time we're talking, 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.480 because it was it was like it was like the 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:25.520 new I think it was when Crooked Eye was rolling 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.360 with death Row and ship. Yeah, because I wasn't I 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:30.400 had kind of was in transition at that time. Then 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.480 I went to the whole. I did three years and 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:34.440 nine months almost four years in the shoes, so I 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:37.360 didn't have nothing. I didn't see no from I think 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:39.560 I got on. I got to January two thousand and four, 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.840 So we go back four years from there is when 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:46.960 my life stopped. What did you if you don't mind sharing, 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:48.240 what what? What? What did you end up in the 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:50.960 whole for? I knocked somebody eye out. It was a 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.920 conflict and and we had altercation in his and his 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.360 eye came out. All my cousins are in prison, and 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:02.960 I've I've been thoroughly educated on how mentally exhausting being 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:04.720 in the hole can be. Can you kind of like 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:06.440 give us some of that, because, like I know, because 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:08.200 for people who don't know, it's twenty three hours a 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.640 day lockdown. No, it's twenty four hours a day. Because 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.680 the way Corkoran's Shoe did it was you couldn't it 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.400 was so many people in the shoe that you couldn't 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:18.280 get your You couldn't get your one day out to shoot. 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:20.680 It was too many bodies. So they would make you 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:23.800 wait and like you start the seals, and then you 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:27.560 would get eight hours out the seal one day a week, 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.920 and that would count for your so called one hour 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.760 out the sale a day. Wow. So and then we 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:35.720 would be we would be we would be in these 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.800 we we would be in these dog kettles. So they 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:43.080 had lined up a bunch of dog kettles up and 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:47.040 down in a row, and they put the little toilets 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:48.640 in it. So you go in there. They put all 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.160 the inmates in there, just your draws, your shoes. You 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.480 can't take nothing else out, and you sit out there 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:56.000 for eight hours and they could get you take you back. 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:58.200 Ring got another group of eight hours. So it's I 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.800 guess they started this shit like four in the morning whatever. 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:02.520 You go be out there from four in the morning 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:05.600 till whatever time for eight thousand. So that's how it was. 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.360 Was that it's crazy because we always hear about like, 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:12.119 you know, you're supposed to rehabilitate in prison. That's what 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:17.560 they say now in California. California drop that philosophy. When 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:21.120 I was in Cossewors still like they remove rehabilitation off 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:24.520 all California state prisons. It's just straight punishment. It's just no, 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:28.040 it's just casce racing. They used to when I came 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.560 in two when I came in two thousand, I came 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.800 in nineteen ninety ninety one. They said some of the 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:37.280 prisons said rehabilitation centers, but they removed that when they 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:40.199 remove education, Like they don't offer education no more. Like 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:41.960 you can't get your GD in jail anymore. No, you 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:44.080 can get the GED. That's the only thing you can get. 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:47.280 They used to offer higher education, you can go to 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.080 college and get your college course. You can't do none 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:50.800 that now. The only thing they offer is things that's 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:53.480 conducive to making money for the prison. So the most 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:56.040 the thing that makes the most money for California prisons 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.280 optical and you can only get that at San Diego 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:02.040 and one other place. So if you get there, you 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.600 can make enough money to sent home. That's crazy. Well, 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:06.640 let's get back to it. So Sugar night, you got out, 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.639 you know four? How did you and Sugar that? Because 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:14.160 Corrupt was that death road? Okay, So but naturally you're 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:15.919 out Corrupt looking out for you, because you know you 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:19.480 looked out for him however many years ago. And then 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.320 Corrupt is there. I come home. Of course I got 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:25.359 go home. I'm gonna mess with Corrupt. And then me 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.159 and Sugar already been talking since my little brother had 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:31.359 passed before that, and so natural when I come home, 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.720 I messed with him. And I didn't want to be 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:36.880 because it was such a it was such a talk 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:38.800 with you know, big Us coming on, the big crypt 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:42.200 is coming home and all this. So I wasn't on that. 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.960 That's not where I've been, you know, Like I didn't 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:47.960 want to come home and say I'm gonna enhance the 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:50.840 Crypt card. And now I didn't want to come home 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:52.720 and do that. I want to come home and be 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:55.480 a Muslim and be a man and be somebody who 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:57.960 could be conducive to us as a people to move forward. 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:01.280 And the mood is jonder, and so I felt me 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:06.120 dealing with Sug would be stronger and making making us 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.840 unify then going against because I already had a relationship. 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:15.160 My homeboys was with. My homeboys were with My homeboys 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.480 were already with Snooping Me, Big d was Big Dnning 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:22.160 was already with Snoop. So I just needed to go 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:26.280 and establish a relationship for all of us to be together. 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:32.040 And so when I did that, Yeah that's Dwan. He 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:35.399 was called them all for me. And so when I 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:38.679 did that, I wanted my sons to see that you 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.960 don't have no enemies as bloods, you know what I mean. 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:45.320 And it was important for me to bring bloods and 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.040 everybody around my sons and around my community so they 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:51.000 can see we could be unified. And that was the 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:54.560 key to what I've always been doing. I've always pushed 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:58.280 that before you know, moving, you know what I mean. 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:01.920 So Sugar was important to me being able to move 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:03.760 as a man and being able to show the people 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.720 that I'm not on no cripping blood shit, right And 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:08.600 what you said, like when you got out, you were 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:11.800 trying to be on some like community shit, and I 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:13.880 think you've done a good job of that. Man. It's 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:17.240 crazy because I feel like you were probably in jail 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:20.680 for probably at least the beginning or peak of when 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:26.560 the gang bang culture became like commercial as far as 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:29.320 like I was in a shoot, Like do you remember 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:31.840 there was like a Bloods and Crypts album. I don't 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:34.840