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Speaker 1: Team forty seven with Clay and Buck starts.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: We are joined now by James Blair, White House Deputy

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Speaker 3: Chief of Staff, aka the Oracle.

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Speaker 2: Joining us now.

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Speaker 3: All right, So that's a pretty cool nickname, and I

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Speaker 3: imagine that doesn't sneak to be the White House Cheep

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Speaker 3: of Staff deputy that is known as the Oracle. So

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Speaker 3: let me ask you for your predictions, Oracle, on how

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Speaker 3: the Big Beautiful Bill is going to go and what

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Speaker 3: should this audience know about it from your perspective.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 5: Gonna be with you, guys. I think that the Big

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Speaker 5: Beautiful Bill will get out of the House this week.

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Speaker 5: I think that obviously, if it gets out of the

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Speaker 5: House this week, then it will go over to the Senate.

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Speaker 5: They'll work on it for a few weeks, and the

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Speaker 5: goal is to get it on the President's tax by

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Speaker 5: July fourth, which I think will happen. Look, we've got

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Speaker 5: to get this done. This bill has so much to love, guys.

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Speaker 5: First of all, let's talk about the border first and foremost,

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Speaker 5: which nobody's talking about anymore because the President has driven

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Speaker 5: illegal border crossings to zero since he came into office.

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Speaker 4: But this bill.

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Speaker 5: Funds border Enforcement, adds ten thousand new ICE officers, gives

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Speaker 5: them pay raises, gives us everything we need logistically to

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Speaker 5: not only keep the border secure for the president's entire

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Speaker 5: and do this again, but also to deport people and

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Speaker 5: get millions of illegal immigrants out of this country, which

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Speaker 5: is something that a majority of the American people support. Secondarily,

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Speaker 5: it gives us the funding we need for our military.

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Speaker 5: You know that the President is involved in complex negotiations

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Speaker 5: across the globe to bring peace that's backed up through strength.

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Speaker 5: And it gives us the funding to modernize our military

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Speaker 5: thing that it does it everyone's talking about is the

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Speaker 5: tax cuts. This renews the President's historic tax cut from

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Speaker 5: twenty seventeen that was the biggest in history, and then

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Speaker 5: adds more taxes on top everything he campaigned on. No

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Speaker 5: generating more than a trillion dollars right now, one point

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Speaker 5: almost thirty years ago under Bill Clinton. So we're getting

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Speaker 5: the country's fiscal house in order. We're giving people money

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Speaker 5: We're doing what President Trump campaigned on, plain and simple.

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Speaker 5: So there's still some little issues being worked out with

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Speaker 5: I think we're right on track and I think we'll

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Speaker 6: James, appreciate you being with us, and certainly a lot

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Speaker 6: to be excited about that is in this bill. For

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Speaker 5: Yeah, great question. Well, first of all, it's important to

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Speaker 5: Congress has to package that saved like eight hundred billion

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Speaker 5: We do that through tax cuts. We do that through deregulation,

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Speaker 3: We're talking to James Blair, White House Deputy chief of Staff.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned the border. I also think this is important.

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Speaker 3: The tax cuts expire. So for people out there who

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Speaker 5: Well, if this bill doesn't pass, First of all, economic

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Speaker 5: So that's just not an option. Right. If we don't

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Speaker 5: this is not our fault. This is Joe Biden's fault.

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Speaker 5: that money is coming in this bill, and that is

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Speaker 5: Bill will be getting millions of illegal immigrants off of Medicaid. Okay,

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Speaker 7: Appreciate you being with us.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to let the President break that news, but

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Speaker 5: it's very exciting stuff. Look the President and something he's

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for the time. Keep up the

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Speaker 3: good work, and we'll talk to you against soon.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, guys.

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Speaker 3: It's James Blair, White House Deputy Chief of Staff.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 3: We head up to Capitol Hill now to be joined

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Speaker 3: by Senator Ran Paul of Kentucky. Senator, we saw the

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Speaker 2: Te to two fourteen.

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Speaker 3: I believe it is now onto the United States Senate.

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Speaker 3: What happens there now? What should we know about, what

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Speaker 8: You know, there's some good and some bad to the bill.

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Speaker 8: The good is the tax cuts, you know. I supported

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Speaker 8: very supportive of that. I'm supportive of spending cuts. I

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Speaker 3: We're talking to Senator Ram Paul, I want to build

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, one of the reasons we've put forward

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Speaker 8: This is a problem with Republicans. It's they're going to

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Speaker 6: Senator Paul, at least down the line, if this doesn't stop,

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Speaker 8: You know maybe? And I don't really fault people as

435
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Speaker 8: much for this. If you've looked into prostate cancer, and

436
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Speaker 8: a lot of men have looked into the pros and

437
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Speaker 8: cons of the blood testing, it really has evolved and

438
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Speaker 8: changed a lot. So they used to have everybody at

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Speaker 8: forty start taking a PSA, but then they started finding

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Speaker 8: elevated PSAs and people having a prostage remood, which is

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Speaker 8: not a benign receiver procedure. And it's sort of unclear

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Speaker 8: whether they were early cancers that might have stayed and

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Speaker 8: hidden for dozens of years, and so the numbers of

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Speaker 8: surgeries of skyrocketed. Then they decided after seventy you're more

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Speaker 8: likely to die from something else. They they don't take

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Speaker 8: the PSA at all. And so it's weird because we

447
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Speaker 8: all have this mortality and we like, I'm seventy one,

448
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Speaker 8: feel pretty healthy. I other guys should get a BSA

449
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Speaker 8: or I'm eighty two and feel healthy. Maybe I'll get

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Speaker 8: a PSA or maybe I'll just roll the dice. I'm

451
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Speaker 8: getting older, I'm and die from something. So these are

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Speaker 8: they're difficult and personal decisions. So I don't followed him

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Speaker 8: for any of that. And I think there is a

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Speaker 8: chance he did know they said he got a PSA

455
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Speaker 8: that was probably normal back when he was seventy one,

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Speaker 8: and it's a slow going cancer, and there's you know,

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Speaker 8: he's eighty two or eighty three, and you know, the

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Speaker 8: downside to the surgeries are a lot of different side

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Speaker 8: effects from the surgery. Surgery is not a perfect surgery

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Speaker 8: by any means, And so I don't know. I guess

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Speaker 8: I don't follow him because I think the decision making

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Speaker 8: process is a very personal one. That a lot of

463
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Speaker 8: men are having to go through. And really it's not

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Speaker 8: an easy one because.

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Speaker 6: It's not I can I ask you really quickly about

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Speaker 6: doctor pauls or Senator Paul, doctor Paul my own my

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Speaker 6: own father, by the way, I had had to go

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Speaker 6: through this. So a lot of us listening, it's very

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Speaker 6: it's very personal and exactly what you're talking about. But

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Speaker 6: why is this happening to so many? This is we're

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Speaker 6: not a point where men are being told something like

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Speaker 6: what seventy percent or eighty percent of them will have

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Speaker 6: some form of prostate cancer. This can't be normal. Do

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Speaker 6: you have any any working theory as to what's going on?

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Speaker 8: Actually, it actually is kind of normal. They've done a

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Speaker 8: natural study of the natural course of the disease. And

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Speaker 8: when they do autopsies of men in their seventies who

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Speaker 8: die for other reasons, you just die. And they take

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Speaker 8: one hundred people who died and they look at the prostates,

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Speaker 8: it is like seventy percent of them have cancer in

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Speaker 8: the prostate, but never had any symptoms that didn't spread

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Speaker 8: anywhere in their body, and they died from something else.

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Speaker 8: That's why it's a difficult decision. If it were just

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Speaker 8: a breast biopsy or a lumpectomy that they did to

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Speaker 8: the prostate, you didn't have to worry about all the

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Speaker 8: other possible problems. It wouldn't be such a big deal.

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Speaker 8: But since the surgery is a pretty dramatic thing, you

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Speaker 8: obviously don't want to do the surgery on people who

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Speaker 8: don't need to have it.

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Speaker 6: But so hundred years ago, we think as many men

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Speaker 6: were having this issue as today, I'm asking, honestly, I

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Speaker 6: have no idea.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, probably, but one hundred years ago, you know, the

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Speaker 8: average life expectancy was forty five, and so as we

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Speaker 8: live longer, there's going to be a lot more people

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Speaker 8: with it. But it's even worse than that. They apparently

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Speaker 8: have done autopsy studies of men who die in their twenties,

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Speaker 8: and I've seen at least one report saying eight percent

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Speaker 8: of men in their twenties already have a form of

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Speaker 8: prostate cancer. So that makes you wonder if it's more

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Speaker 8: hyperpleasia or something that's not quite cancer, that maybe our

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Speaker 8: grading system needs to be better refined to figure out

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Speaker 8: when we need to do surgery and when we don't.

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Speaker 8: So it is a complicated subject. I guess they don't

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Speaker 8: follow him for it because look, he's eighty two and

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Speaker 8: he's had twelve years without having to deal with any

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Speaker 8: of the symptoms of having the surgery. And I don't know,

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Speaker 8: I don't know what would have been better, and nobody really,

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Speaker 8: I don't know. There's a lot of is ans or

510
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Speaker 8: butts about how to make the decision. The guy that

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Speaker 8: invented the PSA was a test with a chairman of

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Speaker 8: the department at Stanford for many years and he finally

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Speaker 8: came to the conclusion at the end that PSA is

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Speaker 8: also related to a benign enlargement of the prostate as

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Speaker 8: well as cancer. And it's difficult to distinguish because men's

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Speaker 8: prostate gets bigger over time, and that's why most older

517
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Speaker 8: men have trouble urinary symptoms. But it's not all cancer.

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Speaker 8: A lot of it's benign. And because the surgeries of all,

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Speaker 8: you got to decide I want to do, you know,

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Speaker 8: do I want to watch it? Do I want to

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Speaker 8: do surgery? And it's it's a difficult decision for a

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Speaker 8: lot of men.

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Speaker 6: Senator Paul, doctor Paul wearing both hats today for us,

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much for coming on the show.

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Speaker 8: Sir, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: This is Team forty seven with Clay and Buck. We

527
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Speaker 3: head out to the state of Arizona. It's going to

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Speaker 3: be a major battleground as it always has been the

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Speaker 3: past several cycles, but certainly in twenty twenty six opportunity

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Speaker 3: to replace the governor. There big battle going on over

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Speaker 3: who the representative will be and wanting to go to

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Speaker 3: d C. Friend of the show, Jay Feely, Arizona's fifth

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Speaker 3: congressional district. Jay Feely, many of you know, played in

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Speaker 3: the NFL fourteen years, has been also ten years as

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Speaker 3: an NFL analyst with CBS.

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Speaker 2: And what's this status? Pretty cool stat.

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Speaker 3: Pat Summerol is the only kicker to be in the

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Speaker 3: broadcast booth more than you doing NFL games.

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 3: I mean everybody knows Pat Summerol as the legendary co

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Speaker 3: host of John Madden back in the day, but also

542
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Speaker 3: a lot of people don't realize this Pat Summerl father

543
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Speaker 3: of Susie Wiles, who is now the chief of staff

544
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Speaker 3: in Trump administration two point zero.

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Speaker 2: Tying it all together there for.

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Speaker 4: You, Jay, Yeah, just an honor to be even mentioned

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Speaker 4: with Pat Summerl because he is such a legend and

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Speaker 4: you know, very cool to see what Susie is doing

549
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Speaker 4: with President Trump and how respected she is. You know,

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Speaker 4: We've gotten to know each other a couple times with

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Speaker 4: Saint Jude because I've done a lot with Saint Jude.

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Speaker 4: I had a niece of mine who has gone twice

553
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Speaker 4: to Saint Jude Hospital to have surgery on her cancer,

554
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Speaker 4: and they were amazing to her, and so I've supported them,

555
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Speaker 4: and Susie has as well. So they give way to

556
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Speaker 4: the Pat Summerle Award every year. But excited for my

557
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Speaker 4: opportunity to run for office, I just felt like this

558
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Speaker 4: was the time I had said no for a few years,

559
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Speaker 4: and to be honest and candidate. I love my job.

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Speaker 4: I love doing NFL games and calling games and being

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Speaker 4: in the booth and getting to do all the production

562
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Speaker 4: meetings and sit down with coaches and players and work

563
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Speaker 4: for five months and then having seven months off. But

564
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Speaker 4: really felt called my wife and I did that this

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Speaker 4: was the time for us to serve our country.

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Speaker 6: Jay, thank you for being on the show, and appreciate

567
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Speaker 6: that you've decided that you are or you haven't called.

568
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Speaker 6: Perhaps a better way of putting it to put your

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Speaker 6: hat in the ring, to be a member of.

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Speaker 7: Our illustrious well Congress.

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Speaker 6: Some days it's illustrious, some days we feel like it's

572
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Speaker 6: letting us down a little bit.

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Speaker 7: But we know you'll do a great job if you

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Speaker 7: get there, and it's all looking good for you in

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Speaker 7: that respect.

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Speaker 6: So far, how do you feel, where do you fit

577
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Speaker 6: in or what's your I'll put it this way, what

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Speaker 6: is your relationship to Maga Jay and the move that

579
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Speaker 6: has become really the leadership the tip of the spear

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Speaker 6: for the Republican Party.

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Speaker 4: Well, I've supported President Trump for a long time, ever

582
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Speaker 4: since he first ran for office. We got to know

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Speaker 4: each other when I was with the Jets, playing for

584
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Speaker 4: the Jets and he wasn't running for officehet himself. We

585
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Speaker 4: were just doing some charity events together with his foundation,

586
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Speaker 4: and you know, I really was impressed with just who

587
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Speaker 4: he was and his willingness to serve. He didn't have

588
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Speaker 4: to run for office. He you know, he's wealthy and

589
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Speaker 4: rich and famous and doing his TV shows, and he

590
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Speaker 4: decided that he wanted to try to make this country better,

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Speaker 4: similar to what I feel, and I think, you know,

592
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Speaker 4: the things that we believe in economically free markets and

593
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Speaker 4: less taxes and equomic tunity and limited government, the need

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Speaker 4: to balance the budget. You know, those are all things

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Speaker 4: that I want to try to do and be an

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Speaker 4: advocate for in Congress.

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Speaker 3: Uh Jay, I'm curious in your experience Trump one point zero,

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Speaker 3: you said you were a Trump guy. It was the

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Speaker 3: case that if you were in sports media, people wanted

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Speaker 3: you to keep your head down and not acknowledge that

601
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Speaker 3: you were a Trump guy. Trump two point zero. Now

602
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Speaker 3: Politico has got a huge story about it. Today, the

603
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Speaker 3: sports world loves Trump. What do you think has changed.

604
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Speaker 3: Do you think it's just a function of people are

605
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Speaker 3: being more honest now? Do you think it was the

606
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Speaker 3: Biden term was so bad? You've been a Trump guy

607
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Speaker 3: for a while. What's different as it pertains to the culture,

608
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Speaker 3: whether it's Christian, pulistic, John Jones, the cheering at the

609
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Speaker 3: Super Bowl? What is going on that sports fans and

610
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Speaker 3: Trump are now in love with each other.

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Speaker 4: I think you kind of hit the nail on the

612
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Speaker 4: heads there. I think part of it was he was

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Speaker 4: labeled a racist when he was running, you know, in

614
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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. But I think when you look at his

615
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Speaker 4: administration and Biden's administration and the differences and what happened

616
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Speaker 4: to our country. I think people got frustrated with COVID

617
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Speaker 4: when we lost our liberties. I think they saw the

618
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Speaker 4: hypocrisy of the Democratic Party when you had the BLM

619
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Speaker 4: riots and the response to destruction of people's property and

620
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Speaker 4: their businesses and murders. I think when you look at

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Speaker 4: the DEI policies and the transgender policies and guys playing

622
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Speaker 4: in girls' sports, I think people have rejected that.

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Speaker 3: And let me let me cut you off there for

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Speaker 3: a sec because I think as the locker room guy

625
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Speaker 3: had this. We had this conversation with the HUD secretary

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Speaker 3: last week, and I think it's important. What percentage of

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Speaker 3: NFL players, current and past do you think believe that

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Speaker 3: men should be able to compete against women?

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Speaker 4: I would say it's under five percent. I think it's

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Speaker 4: a very very low number. I think anybody who has

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Speaker 4: a sister who watched their sisters play sports, or myself

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Speaker 4: with my daughters, the reason I got into coaching, like,

633
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Speaker 4: there was not a girls soccer team at the high

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Speaker 4: school that my daughter was going to go to, and

635
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Speaker 4: I said, well, that's ridiculous. We have to have a

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Speaker 4: girl soccer team. And they were like, well, we need

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Speaker 4: a co and I said, well, I'll coach the team,

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Speaker 4: you know, and to provide that opportunity. I love what

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Speaker 4: sports does to develop discipline and toughness and camaraderie and

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Speaker 4: fighting for something that's greater than yourself. Those are all

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Speaker 4: lessons that you learn in sports to carry on the

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Speaker 4: rest of your lives. And I never want to see

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Speaker 4: a girl not have an opportunity because some guy decides

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Speaker 4: I want to take my physical biological advantages and go

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Speaker 4: play a sport that I know that physically i'm better.

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Speaker 8: At, or you know.

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Speaker 4: I'll give you another example, like we would play because

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Speaker 4: I wanted our girls to win a state championship. So

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Speaker 4: we're going to practice against our guys team that was

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Speaker 4: really good. But I would sit down beforehand with the

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Speaker 4: guys coach and all the players on the guys team

652
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Speaker 4: and be like, listen, you can't go in for tackles

653
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 4: full speed against our girls. I don't want somebody getting

654
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 4: hurt in this practice. I want your speed and your

655
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 4: power to stretch them and to push them, but I

656
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 4: don't want them getting injured. And that's the kind of

657
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 4: situation they create when you have girls competing against our

658
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 4: guys competing against girls in a physical sport.

659
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, No, absolutely, Jay, I'm wondering.

660
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 6: I've never actually don't think I've ever gotten to talk

661
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 6: to an NFL kicker before, certainly not one of your stature.

662
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 7: I'm sort of and I'm a very casual observer of

663
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 7: professional sports.

664
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 6: I'm not at Clay level where it is a life's passion,

665
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 6: not by a logshot, But I do wonder, and knowing

666
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 6: what I know about this, and having actually beaten most

667
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 6: of the Amherst College men's football team at Madden because

668
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 6: I was good at video games and we would have

669
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 6: tournaments when I was in college, and you were a

670
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 6: fantastic kicker.

671
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: That's what I remember.

672
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 7: I probably want some money off some of my friends.

673
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: Thanks to your leg.

674
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 6: Is being a kicker in the NFL the greatest job

675
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 6: in the NFL or the most stressful job in the NFL.

676
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 6: Because on the one hand, I think you get to

677
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 6: make great money, right, and this stuff is all pretty

678
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 6: well known. You make great money as a professional athlete,

679
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 6: and you get to put points on the board and

680
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 6: the team has to love you. But also, like if

681
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 6: you hit the upright and you don't get it, it

682
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 6: might be a lonely ride back on the bus, like,

683
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 6: how should one think about that?

684
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 4: Well, I would say punter is a better job than kicker,

685
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 4: because if you have four out of five good punts

686
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 4: at a game, you're going to have a good game.

687
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 4: It's okay if you didn't have one great punt as

688
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 4: long as they don't return it for a touchdown. Whereas kicking,

689
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 4: you know, you could only miss three or four kicks

690
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 4: in a year to have a good year where they're

691
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 4: not going to look at replacing you, and those kicks

692
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 4: be game winning kicks, Like you can't come in and

693
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 4: miss a couple of game winners and a team and

694
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 4: a fan base not think about replacing you. And that's

695
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 4: kind of the reality of kicking. You have to be

696
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 4: able to handle pressure, and you have to be able

697
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 4: to handle failure, you know.

698
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 8: And that was.

699
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 4: Probably my greatest attribute. I wasn't I couldn't kick it

700
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 4: the farthest, I wasn't the best, I wasn't the most accurate,

701
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 4: but I could handle failure and it didn't defeat me.

702
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 4: It didn't break me going forward, you know. And when

703
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 4: I got to the point in my career where I

704
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, I failed as bad as I could

705
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 4: fail Saturday Live did a spoof about me called the

706
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 4: Jake Feeley Story The Long Ride Home and didn't break me.

707
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 4: That allowed me to be a lot better because I

708
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 4: started losing some of that fear of failure and just

709
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,479
Speaker 4: having fun out there. And then the next nine years

710
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 4: after that skit, I didn't miss another game winner.

711
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 3: What is it like as a kicker to be mocked

712
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 3: on Saturday Night Live?

713
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 7: I I had no idea about that either.

714
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

715
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 4: So I missed three game winners with Giants out in

716
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 4: Seattle late in the season, one at the end of

717
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 4: the game too and overtime, obviously the worst game of

718
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 4: my career. And you know, the next next week, I'm

719
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 4: getting ready to We're gonna play Philadelphia Saturday night. I'm

720
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 4: trying to go to sleep. I'm trying not to lose

721
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 4: my job. The next day and I get a bunch

722
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 4: of text message and they're like, dude, they're killing you

723
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 4: on Saturday Live right now. And of course I didn't

724
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 4: look at it or watch it. I go play the

725
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 4: game the next day at Philadelphia, we go to overtime again.

726
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,479
Speaker 4: I got a game winner again, and they called time

727
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 4: out to ice me and they play a montage or

728
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 4: by misses on the jumbo tron in the stadium from

729
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 4: the from the game where I missed all the game winners,

730
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 4: and you're sitting there, And that's where mental discipline comes in,

731
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 4: because you can't let your mind wander. You know, if

732
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 4: you miss this kick, you're probably gonna lose your job,

733
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 4: your kids are going to have to change schools, You're

734
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 4: gonna have to sell the house and move. You don't

735
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 4: know if you'll ever have a job in the NFL again.

736
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 4: But you can't let your mind think about those things.

737
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 4: You have to discipline it to not allow it to wander,

738
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 4: to either think about the positive implications or the negative implications.

739
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 4: And I think that's the challenge with kicking. It's why

740
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 4: you see guys that are really good one year and

741
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 4: then have a really bad miss and then can never

742
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 4: do it again.

743
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 2: Did you make the kick?

744
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 4: Of course I played for nine more years if I missed, Yeah, but.

745
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 2: You made you made that kick?

746
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: Now is that still allowed to This is a great quest.

747
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 2: I didn't know this backstory.

748
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 3: This is Is it still Is it allowed in the

749
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 3: NFL to show negative highlights still on the jumbo dron?

750
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 3: Like I don't remember seeing a montage of kicker misses

751
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 3: obvious season ticket holder.

752
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 1: Is that still allowed today or has that been this?

753
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: I've never even heard of that.

754
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 4: So the Meryra family was not happy after that game.

755
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 4: I know they went to the NFL and complained about

756
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 4: it because you kind of you take that in your

757
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 4: e strap late say, think of all the things you

758
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 4: could put up on a drummer tron during a game.

759
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, totally the opposing players, you know mine, you

760
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 4: know you can put.

761
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 6: On I would I would say that falls into a

762
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 6: category of actually bad sportsmanship. I don't even I don't

763
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 6: think that's all in good fun. I think it's bad sportsmanship.

764
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 4: That's the city of brotherly love.

765
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 2: So what do you expect, oh is Philly?

766
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 4: Yeah?

767
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 6: Okay, well you know they do have that courthouse under

768
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 6: the stadium, right, So I bet.

769
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,959
Speaker 3: I bet that made the winning kick after they did

770
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 3: that unbelievably joyful for you in that celebration.

771
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 6: Would you always know, Jay, when you kicked? Would you

772
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 6: always know like the second you made contact? You know,

773
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 6: obviously there's like a couple of seconds where it's where

774
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 6: it's airborne, right, Would you know every time you hit it,

775
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 6: I got it or I didn't pretty much.

776
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 4: As soon as you make contact, you know, if that

777
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 4: ball is starting where you want there were you know,

778
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 4: there's a couple of times that's win. Like the first

779
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 4: kick in that game I was talking about where I

780
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 4: missed a game winner. I hit it exactly where I

781
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 4: wanted in Seattle. I thought the wind was going to

782
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 4: bring it back right, and it shifted and it brought

783
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 4: it left, and you missed by you know a little bit.

784
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 4: But for the most part, you know, when you hit,

785
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 4: it's like a golfer. You kind of know the ball

786
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 4: comes off, you know, Okay, I hit that one.

787
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 7: Well, what's the best kick you ever made?

788
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 4: The most important kick I ever made was probably in

789
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 4: high school in the state semifinals. I had a game

790
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 4: winner at the end of the game, and I make

791
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 4: that kick and we go onto the state finals. And

792
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 4: for me, that was when I first started thinking about

793
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 4: doing kicking as a career. I was a soccer player.

794
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 4: I kind of played everything growing up until that moment.

795
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 4: You know, I never really looked at kicking as something

796
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 4: I wanted to do, you know, And then that kick

797
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 4: led to me going to college at Michigan and then

798
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 4: getting into the NFL and then broadcasting for ten years

799
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 4: and now running for office. I kind of feel like

800
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 4: that kick started the journey for me over the next

801
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 4: quarter of a century.

802
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 2: Very cool.

803
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 3: All right, how do people if they want us to

804
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: port you in Arizona's fifth what should they know and

805
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 3: what should they do?

806
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 4: Well? They should know the first of all, I'm a

807
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 4: fighter and I'm not afraid to stand up for my beliefs.

808
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 8: You know.

809
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 4: Working in broadcast media for a major network like CBS

810
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 4: like people didn't like that you would talk about your

811
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 4: support of Republicans, conservatives, and especially Trump, and I was

812
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 4: never afraid to do that. I would post pictures when

813
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 4: he and I would get together and play golf, and

814
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 4: I would get called into the principal's office all the

815
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 4: time for doing that. And my perspective always was, listen,

816
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 4: You're not going to do that if I'm posting something

817
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 4: that's liberal, So don't do it if I post something

818
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 4: that's conservative. But I think people should know that I'm

819
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 4: going to stand up and be an advocate for conservative

820
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 4: principles and the America First policy. You can go to

821
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 4: jfeeyfocongress dot com sign my petition. If you live in

822
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 4: the district or you can support us financially. But more

823
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 4: than anything, I just want to be somebody who is

824
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 4: willing to talk about their beliefs and do it in

825
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 4: a compassionate way and be able to advocate for Republicans

826
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 4: and conservative causes. And you know, we're going to have

827
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 4: a fight in twenty twenty six to keep the House

828
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 4: in the Senate, and I want to be part of

829
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 4: that fight.

830
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 8: Jay.

831
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 3: One thing people may not know about you, Tom Brady

832
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 3: teammate at the University of Michigan.

833
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 2: Quickly on your way out. What's Brady like?

834
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 4: He is the most compassionate dude, you know. I mean

835
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 4: I never knew he was going to be as good

836
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 4: as he was. You know, we were at college for

837
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 4: four years together and roomed together and some of the

838
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 4: summers and worked at the University of Michigan golf course together,

839
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 4: and I just never knew he would be as good

840
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 4: as he was. But I knew he was a great leader.

841
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 4: I think that's the thing that stands out the most

842
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 4: is his willingness to be humble and to take all

843
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 4: the stuff that Belichick gave to him and to use

844
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 4: him as an example for everyone else. That's what led

845
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 4: to the greatness because he had those leadership qualities to

846
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 4: bring everybody together and then the unsatiable desire to be

847
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 4: the best ever.

848
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: Awesome stuff.

849
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 3: Well, we hope the voters of Arizona's fifth Congressional District

850
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 3: are listening. And I love that you were willing to

851
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 3: take the slings and arrows for being a Trump guy

852
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 3: when it wasn't popular to be a Trump guy.

853
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on. Thanks for giving guys everything

854
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 4: you guys do. Love listening.

855
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: Appreciate that that's Jay Feely.

856
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 3: Awesome dude. Encourage you guys if you're in Arizona again

857
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. Once again, Arizona is going to be

858
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 3: a focal point, one of the big battlegrounds. Trump won

859
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 3: by a lot, but they're going to have the governor's race,

860
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: the congressional race is a lot going on there.

861
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to Team forty seven with Clay and

862
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: Buck