WEBVTT - Ep. 83: Hickory-Smoked Parachute Pants

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<v Speaker 1>Thick ass wuthering heights in Jane are not dog like.

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<v Speaker 1>I got stockers to catch. I ain't got time for that.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like you try to catch somebody's ship zoo

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<v Speaker 1>with a hat exactly, remember, yeah, yeah, with the zebra stripes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, of course, real quick if you're the

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<v Speaker 1>listener already crafting an email in your head telling us

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<v Speaker 1>what your interpretation of the old man in the sea

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<v Speaker 1>has stopped. Yeah, good morning to generate anglers, and welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to Bent, the Fishing podcast that swears to God, if

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<v Speaker 1>you reel that barrel swivel into the tip guide one

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<v Speaker 1>more time, it will not take you out for froyo.

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<v Speaker 1>When we get back to the dot, I'm Joe Surmeli

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Hayden Samac and uh and doesn't like that

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<v Speaker 1>they what do you call the f g eliminate that

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<v Speaker 1>issue like an instentirety. Yes, technically, yes, there's several mainline

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<v Speaker 1>the leaders places out there these days that, if tied correctly,

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<v Speaker 1>will allow you to reel the knot all the way

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<v Speaker 1>up onto your reel. But I brought up the swivels

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<v Speaker 1>in the tip top guide because here's the thing, um,

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<v Speaker 1>I think people have actually gotten so used to line

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<v Speaker 1>to line connections, especially newer anglers, that if they do

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<v Speaker 1>end up using a rig with a barrel swivel like it,

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<v Speaker 1>it just simply does not compute. Right, Like I learned

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<v Speaker 1>to fish with the barrow swivel connecting my leader to

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<v Speaker 1>the mainline. And you know what, like two palamar knots

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<v Speaker 1>against the quality swivel is a damned strong connection. Some

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<v Speaker 1>may even argue stronger than any line in line connection.

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<v Speaker 1>And I never, I never, or very rarely, only by mistake,

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<v Speaker 1>ever reeled my swivel into my tiptop. I was just

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<v Speaker 1>like cognizant of it and knew not to do that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't think that it's because beginners are

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<v Speaker 1>like used to line to line. That's probably a large assumption,

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<v Speaker 1>that is fairly big. But I mean, like, really, a

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<v Speaker 1>swivel in is uh not great? No, no, no, no no,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it is the easiest way to cracker chip

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<v Speaker 1>the insert your tiptop guide. Which is why though getting

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<v Speaker 1>back to beginners for just one sec, you will rarely

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<v Speaker 1>see a charter captain rig his rods with barrel swivels

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<v Speaker 1>for his leader. For that reason, because I've been out

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<v Speaker 1>there and all day long, it's just click tink, click,

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<v Speaker 1>and one can only uh, you know, say, don't reel

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<v Speaker 1>the swivel into the tip top guide. So many times, um,

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<v Speaker 1>I've experienced that on on my boats. Uh and every

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<v Speaker 1>time you hear it, like you just you just WinCE. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know, to me, it's just not that

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<v Speaker 1>difficult to remember. Yeah, yeah, I mean i'd agree with that.

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<v Speaker 1>But have you ever gotten any sort of like legitimate

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<v Speaker 1>damage because of somebody really or because you or somebody

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<v Speaker 1>barring your gear? Really? Yeah? No, totally. Um. I I

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<v Speaker 1>lent a surf rod to somebody one time, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>the next time I used it every third cast like

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<v Speaker 1>my ship is just flying off. I'm just like sending

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<v Speaker 1>storm shads off into the distance. Um. And it takes

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<v Speaker 1>a second so you finally figure out, like ship, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a hip in the tip top guide. And I guarantee

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<v Speaker 1>it's because that dude was reeling his swivel in. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So here here's a hot tip, right, And something I

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<v Speaker 1>don't do often, but if if I'm going to be

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<v Speaker 1>fishing in the dark on the surfer sake, going like

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<v Speaker 1>popping for tune, it's something that really matters. When I'm

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<v Speaker 1>packing up my rods, I run a Q tip around

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<v Speaker 1>the inside of each guide, and if there's a chip

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<v Speaker 1>or a crack, it usually phrase the Q tip Because

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<v Speaker 1>to go back to that night on the beach, like

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I had no I had to go home,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I didn't bring to nine ft surf rods. I

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<v Speaker 1>just brought one to go fish for the night. So

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<v Speaker 1>the night was kind of shot, you know. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but like I feel like I feel like it's got

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<v Speaker 1>to be like some sort of like mcgiver fixed to that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but see, not a great one in my opinion. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have duct tape, you can try wrapping a

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<v Speaker 1>tiny strip around the guide, but it doesn't cast the

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<v Speaker 1>same and the braid will eventually cut through the tape.

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<v Speaker 1>Um and those insertain materials are they're so slick that

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<v Speaker 1>even like super like trying to fill it with super

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<v Speaker 1>glimics and stick all that. Well, right, Um, the best

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<v Speaker 1>thing you you could do maybe would just be to

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<v Speaker 1>knock the entire insert out and and and fix the

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<v Speaker 1>whole guide later with the wire frame. Yeah, just fish

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<v Speaker 1>with a wire frame. Uh. And people will likely write

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<v Speaker 1>in with other ideas, but I'm talking about quick fixes

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<v Speaker 1>on the scene. Right. If you can afford to kill

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<v Speaker 1>the time and the hardware stories open, UH, you might

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<v Speaker 1>have better ideas. But I'm talking about midnight, all alone

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<v Speaker 1>on the beach. Um. So this is also why it

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<v Speaker 1>pays to have a good local rod guy. Shout out

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<v Speaker 1>to mine Rick Szakorski of rat Sticks. That dude has

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<v Speaker 1>fixed so many chipped guides for me. Anyway, you must

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<v Speaker 1>have mcgeivered something out there fishing or not. What have

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<v Speaker 1>you mgeivered? Yeah? Well, so I was like elk hunting

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<v Speaker 1>UH in September last year, and I needed to get

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<v Speaker 1>water out of this like little trickle. But it was

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<v Speaker 1>like super shallow. It was just like this little spring

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of this like little seep and it was

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<v Speaker 1>all muddy. So if I like try to like scoop

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<v Speaker 1>my water bottle in it, like I get all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of yeah, pine needles and ship and um. So what

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<v Speaker 1>I did was there were like some reads next to UH,

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<v Speaker 1>next to the water. So I I clipped one of

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<v Speaker 1>these reads with my knife. It was totally hollow in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle. I built up like a couple of rocks

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<v Speaker 1>and like some mud around one end of the read.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh let the water build up behind it to the

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<v Speaker 1>point that it went through the read and over this

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<v Speaker 1>little ledge. So now you had like a little spickett

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of this spring. And I used I let

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<v Speaker 1>that run clear, and I used that to fill up

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<v Speaker 1>the water bottle. So that's something I'm scared. I believe

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<v Speaker 1>that there is an exhibit in the Natural History Museum

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<v Speaker 1>of ancient people's doing exactly that. So that is that

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<v Speaker 1>is very good. Anyway, Listen, if you've got a rod

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<v Speaker 1>that's just too beat up, let's say, to be worth

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<v Speaker 1>any kind of costly repairs, how about a new one,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps from our sponsors thirteen Fishing. Um, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what it's been like at there. Why I kind of do,

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<v Speaker 1>because I mean pictures they we'll talk about in a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>I dude, it was it highs in the seventies here

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<v Speaker 1>last weekend, record temps, so uh. I took the old

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<v Speaker 1>oman pan fish and trout rods over the local croppyhole,

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<v Speaker 1>thinking they'd be all woke up, but not yet. So

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<v Speaker 1>I got a few good ones ago, but the water

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<v Speaker 1>temps haven't really caught up to the air. But I

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<v Speaker 1>was using the seven foot ultra light model, which is

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<v Speaker 1>fairly slow and um and whippy. But these fish weren't

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<v Speaker 1>like ripping the float under. It was a very subtle bite.

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<v Speaker 1>So that flex and softness, um really helped set the

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<v Speaker 1>hook on these fish that kind of like barely had

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<v Speaker 1>these baits in their mouths. So it worked out. The

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<v Speaker 1>uh you know, those thirteen rods are so sensitive that

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<v Speaker 1>me and my buddy Corey, we were we were doing

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<v Speaker 1>our last like uh like overnight urbit trip for the Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw what she did. It's cool, tell us tell

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<v Speaker 1>us about it. Well, I'll tell you about what I

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<v Speaker 1>think you're talking about, but I'll tell you something that

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<v Speaker 1>was less cool, but nevertheless a testament to the sensitivity

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<v Speaker 1>of a thirteen fishing rod. I was using one of those,

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<v Speaker 1>a medium action even widow maker dead stick, and we

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<v Speaker 1>were chunking like while we were going to bed in

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<v Speaker 1>like the in like the shels or whatever, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of like talking and watching our rods, and

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<v Speaker 1>mine just started to go like this. Listeners, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>see it, but I'm like very subtly lifting and lowering

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<v Speaker 1>my extended index finger. Here it looks it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>a swordfish bite on a deep drop rod. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>very subtly, and you know, I'd go, I'd pop the

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<v Speaker 1>rod out of the dead stick holder, like real carefully,

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<v Speaker 1>so it was not to disturb the bourb but that

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<v Speaker 1>was surely about to get stung. I'd set the hook

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<v Speaker 1>and then nothing. And this happened like five or six times.

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<v Speaker 1>It was maddening, and I'm like, dude, I can see

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<v Speaker 1>the bite, but I don't know what's going on. And

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<v Speaker 1>I thought about it for a second, and I remember

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<v Speaker 1>somebody telling me that there were crawfish in the lake

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<v Speaker 1>that would set off their tip ups. What I was

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<v Speaker 1>watching was a crawfish crawling onto my bait twenty ft

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<v Speaker 1>down with a medium action rod. Now tell me that

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<v Speaker 1>that's not like a very sensitive ice ory, very sensitive.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you go set and he just whooped backwards

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<v Speaker 1>and he's gone. And we found this out by dropping

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<v Speaker 1>a camera down the hole and literally just seeing the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom littered with crawfish just crawled. Dud. I'd drill another

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<v Speaker 1>hole and put a trap down. Cold water, crawfish boil,

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<v Speaker 1>you bet as soon as ice off, that's what's going

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<v Speaker 1>that's what's going down. And and we ended up we

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<v Speaker 1>caught more than crawfish. On that trip, we caught a

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<v Speaker 1>tagged bourbon. Yeah who tagged that? That was interesting? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>who's tagging? Yeah? I don't know. I know that Corey

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<v Speaker 1>submitted the tag to f w P the other day,

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<v Speaker 1>so we will I will report back on on what

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<v Speaker 1>came about that. Anyway, we've already shared a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>good tips here, that being always have a camera so

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<v Speaker 1>you can see if you're you're being attacked by cross

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<v Speaker 1>or Joe stupid, you know. Guide. So let's carry the

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<v Speaker 1>teaching over. We've got an awkward moment in angling for

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<v Speaker 1>you that captures a teaching moment that, um, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>look to be going particularly well. What did you take

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<v Speaker 1>a picture? A life? So today's photo comes to us

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<v Speaker 1>from Bent listener Rev. Crimson. Now I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>that's his real name. Uh though if it is, that's

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<v Speaker 1>totally badass. He may he may be a real reverend,

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<v Speaker 1>like an actual man of the Lord, in which case

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<v Speaker 1>forgive us for some of the things we may be

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<v Speaker 1>about to say. Or perhaps it's just a symbolic reverend

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<v Speaker 1>title similar to Rev. Run Run DMC. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably that. Yeah, either way, this is a great photo.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially if you're a dad. Now I am not a dad,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is still a great photo because there is

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<v Speaker 1>a father son moment being captured here. And whereas you

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<v Speaker 1>probably identify with Rev the dad, Joe, I could put

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<v Speaker 1>myself in the in the sun's position just like, just

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<v Speaker 1>like a little bit more easily, it's slightly more recent.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fair. That's fair. Okay, So let's set this up right. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>In the foreground of the shot is Rev's son. He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't provide his name, that's okay, Okay. Now he's a teenager, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not a little little fellow. Uh. And he's wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a tank top and some some broken in jeans with

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of cloth belt that used to come standard

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<v Speaker 1>on a pair of cargo shorts from Pacific Sunwear. Okay. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He's wearing a leather necklace. And while the charm at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of it is obscured, right, I'm thinking I'm

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<v Speaker 1>willing to bet just just looking at it, it it is

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<v Speaker 1>a giant one of those giant tribal bone hooks, right,

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<v Speaker 1>which is which I assume people wear as a true

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<v Speaker 1>statement of angling prowess, which will make all this funnier

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<v Speaker 1>in just a minute, yeah, so the kids got this

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<v Speaker 1>like wild grown out hair is young is young teenagers

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<v Speaker 1>are sometimes to do. And he's got a flat brim

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<v Speaker 1>hat on backwards, but he hasn't tucked the hair under it,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's like one of those things where it looks like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that look right, Like it's hard to describe,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like it looks like you try to catch

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's ship zoo with a hat and now all you

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<v Speaker 1>can see is just like the tough to fur under it. Anyhow. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's also wearing frameless like Oakley style, and I guarantee

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<v Speaker 1>either gas station beat or sunglasses. And he's he's looking

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<v Speaker 1>down at his hands. Yeah yeah, I still insist on

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<v Speaker 1>referring to those style of glasses as ken Griffe junior glasses. Anyway. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's looking in his hands and he's fiddling with

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<v Speaker 1>fishing line. Um. The expression on his face is totally blank.

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<v Speaker 1>Not much going on there. Uh So now we can

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<v Speaker 1>move on to the rev. Rev is the primary focus

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<v Speaker 1>of my roaths because I don't believe in U. If

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<v Speaker 1>say about revs, so I under stand that I couldn't,

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<v Speaker 1>so I didn't want want to lay into him too

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<v Speaker 1>hard you know. Okay, So Rev is standing behind him

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<v Speaker 1>and he's doing the open trout vest over a tank

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<v Speaker 1>top thing. Right. His arms are are sternly crossed across

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<v Speaker 1>his his chest. Um, he's wearing a pair of old

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<v Speaker 1>school Vietnam Eric Chamo pants covered up with hip boots.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about hip boots for a second. By and large,

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<v Speaker 1>you just don't see them in fishing the way you

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<v Speaker 1>used to write, like, I started out as a kid

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<v Speaker 1>with hip boots, but nowadays I feel like the kids

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<v Speaker 1>go straight to chess waiters, just because so many companies

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<v Speaker 1>make little kid chess waiters. Right, did you start with

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<v Speaker 1>hip boots when he first started waiting? Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I I like hit boots a lot. And here's why

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<v Speaker 1>if you're kind of doing like a like we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about how I have an affinity for blue lining brook Trout,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, that's kind of a waste to wear chess

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<v Speaker 1>waiters for a blue So I get that. In case

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<v Speaker 1>you guys like don't remember, a blue line for brook

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<v Speaker 1>Trout is like or just any trout for that matter,

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<v Speaker 1>is finding just a small blue line on a topo

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<v Speaker 1>map and just going in and exploring and hoping that

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<v Speaker 1>there were some fish there more or less. Um, So

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<v Speaker 1>I wear them for that because you can wear your

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<v Speaker 1>hiking boots in pack those hip waiters in just super

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<v Speaker 1>easy and a lot of times you don't need them.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's good because a lot of those streams are

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, they have like a you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>like a real muddy bank where it's like two and

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<v Speaker 1>a half foot of mud, and even if you were

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<v Speaker 1>in wellies, which you didn't want to hike into in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place, or actually less convenient to carry than

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these breathable like frog TG style hit boots, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you going past them and you'd be, yeah, I see,

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<v Speaker 1>I see, I see. I just in my observation, I

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<v Speaker 1>see more application in hunting these days because I started

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<v Speaker 1>out with hip boots and inevitably would go in over

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<v Speaker 1>them like it was just not enough coverage, like it

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<v Speaker 1>was just a disaster anyway. So Rev has that totally

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<v Speaker 1>old school like definitely like a or Ohio or West

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia trout fisherman look, and I diget his arms are

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<v Speaker 1>also like covered in tats and I can't make all

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<v Speaker 1>of them out, but I know one is a is

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<v Speaker 1>a big old rose and h Rev has kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a high and tight military haircut. He's rocking some dark

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<v Speaker 1>oval kind of ninety weren't really that man. What they

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<v Speaker 1>look like is their transition lenses, I think, is what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on? You know, you're right, they are transition lenses.

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<v Speaker 1>But they have that oval like oblong kind of shape about. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And he as a killer like what do he called?

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<v Speaker 1>Like the James Hetfield man Chew chew? He has a

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<v Speaker 1>killer fu man Chew. Now most most critically though, Rev's

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<v Speaker 1>head is cocked to the side, looking upon his son

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<v Speaker 1>with a look of complete disdain and frustration. Looks like

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<v Speaker 1>he's in the middle of saying something too. He is,

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<v Speaker 1>he is, but here's why here's Rev, Rev writes with

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<v Speaker 1>his photo. The photo is of me and my son.

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<v Speaker 1>I have, for the twentieth time that day, tried to

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<v Speaker 1>explain how to tie a simple clinch knot, so that

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<v Speaker 1>ties the disdain in the photo together. It's funny. That's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna kind of mess up one of my burns, but

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead, so anyway, he says, anyway always makes me

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<v Speaker 1>laugh when I see it. As a side note, my

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<v Speaker 1>son has since absconded with my new thirteen fishing rod. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>there you go somewhere with your boy lance V. Something

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<v Speaker 1>about hashtag Google squad, hashtag chunk bait not hate. Um. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I I understand it's hard to get the full visual,

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<v Speaker 1>but Dad's know this look of what the you actually

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<v Speaker 1>doing right now, and it's been captured here perfectly. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I i've i'm i'm personally yet well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not sure. I'd give that look to folks all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, but not in a fatherly sort of way.

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<v Speaker 1>But I I and I have it on the receiving

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<v Speaker 1>end of it many times myself. Yeah, and Red looks

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<v Speaker 1>like a no bullshit kind of guy, frankly, major dad energy,

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<v Speaker 1>as you wrote in your response to him. Um, it

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<v Speaker 1>also looks like like you said, that Rev is mid

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<v Speaker 1>sentence and I can only imagine the words being uttered.

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<v Speaker 1>So now the boy is also in a high pressure

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<v Speaker 1>situation as he tries to tie eight years. Only he

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<v Speaker 1>could eat that chicken sandwich. Very impressive. Mike Fitzgiven's son

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<v Speaker 1>is a nuclear physicist and my shun kind, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very curious about the roast this week. I was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>ask if you're focusing on Rev, but you already said

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<v Speaker 1>on Rev uh my, my new favorite part of awkward moments.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you ready? We will put ten seconds on the

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<v Speaker 1>clock and go. Dude looks like he doesn't know if

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<v Speaker 1>he's more disappointed than the son's not tying or his outfit.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude looks like a fisherman character in Apocalypse Now. Dude

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<v Speaker 1>looks like Dude looks like the love child of Bob

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<v Speaker 1>the Garbage Man and Mike i Canelli. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see it when you see the photo. Dude looks

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<v Speaker 1>like he's halfway through a rant about how not strength

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<v Speaker 1>is bogus and that big fishing just wants you to

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<v Speaker 1>tie complicated not so you spend more time tying and

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<v Speaker 1>less time fishing in an effort to save fish as

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<v Speaker 1>part of their secret green agenda. Wow, that was masterful.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that the last one? That's the last one. I

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<v Speaker 1>spent some time on that. That was masterful. That was masterful.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that was really good. Um wow, you

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<v Speaker 1>like you like took the spit out of my mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>That was so good. Anyway, Rev, thanks so much for

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<v Speaker 1>sending that one in. I'm sorry. If the boy is

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<v Speaker 1>going the way the Google squad, that's just too bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Tie him up, Rev and make him watch Roland Martin

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<v Speaker 1>DVDs for a few hours. You'll get him back. Um. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>if you've got a good shot of yourself about to

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<v Speaker 1>open up a can of whoop bass on your child

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<v Speaker 1>while fishing, do please send it along to Bent at

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<v Speaker 1>the Meat Eater dot com. So that was a little different.

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<v Speaker 1>I enjoyed that one. That's for all the dad's um

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<v Speaker 1>and moms right out there. They get it. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have kids yet, despite how you you may feel, now,

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<v Speaker 1>believe me, the day will come that no matter how

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<v Speaker 1>much you love your kids, you will find yourself, um

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<v Speaker 1>asking them if they are stupid, Like that's gonna happen

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<v Speaker 1>you just are you stupid? It just happens naturally. So

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<v Speaker 1>so why I appreciate that photo from Rev so much?

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<v Speaker 1>Man that that realization comes to some quicker than others.

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<v Speaker 1>Just ask my dad anyway. I've been asking myself if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm stupid all week long after hearing from you guys

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<v Speaker 1>about the Trojan Brook Trout story I covered last week.

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<v Speaker 1>So find out if I'm competent and qualified or not.

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<v Speaker 1>In this week's installment of fish News, fish News that

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<v Speaker 1>escalated quickly alright, so correction time. This happens on occasion.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe this is less of a correction than just a clarification,

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<v Speaker 1>but the masses have spoken and I shall respond. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Last week I covered the story of the Trojan brook trout,

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<v Speaker 1>and while discussing how brookies found their way out west,

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<v Speaker 1>I said that the Mississippi River acted as a natural barrier.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, you have all these native brookies in

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<v Speaker 1>states east of the Mississippi, right Uh. And while they

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<v Speaker 1>could conceivably reach the Mississippi, the chances of them populating

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<v Speaker 1>the western side of the country that way are are

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<v Speaker 1>pretty slim for a bunch of different reasons. Temperatures, predators,

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<v Speaker 1>all that stuff. Right. Um, well, everyone, everyone jumped up

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<v Speaker 1>and said, whoa buddy, there are native brook trout in

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<v Speaker 1>the driftless area of Wisconsin and Minnesota and Iowa, and

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<v Speaker 1>uh guess what, they live on the west side of

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<v Speaker 1>the Mississippi. So you're wrong. Um, And okay, apologies Driftless

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<v Speaker 1>area anglers. You are correct. But where I failed was

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<v Speaker 1>to specify that the Mississippi River, when referring to to

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<v Speaker 1>all the states east of it, which have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more wild brookies than than the Driftless, right, you guys

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<v Speaker 1>have your own strain up there. Um. The point the

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<v Speaker 1>article was making that I pulled from was that brookies

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<v Speaker 1>were populated in the west by people bringing them from

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<v Speaker 1>the east, where you know. Once again, um, there are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more Brookies than just in the Driftless. So yes,

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<v Speaker 1>there are brookies west of the Mississippi and the Driftless,

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<v Speaker 1>but even there, the Mississippi is still kind of a barrier,

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<v Speaker 1>like the Brookies and the Driftless would have to have,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, gone through generations of travel hell to populate

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<v Speaker 1>waters all the way out west. So basically, I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>I apologize for forgetting our friends in the Driftless in

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<v Speaker 1>that little trout country surrounded by walleye and muskie country. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it was just a little out of context, But I

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<v Speaker 1>fished in your waters. I love them dearly, and I apologize.

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<v Speaker 1>You do have wild brookies, native brooks. Yeah. I like

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<v Speaker 1>the guy that pointed out that you had talked about

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<v Speaker 1>catching tiger trout in the Driftless and was like, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>do the math in reverse. Yeah, yeah, you know that's

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<v Speaker 1>I I. Yeah, I just recently did say that, like

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<v Speaker 1>the Driftless is one of the few places that has

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<v Speaker 1>um wild native tiger trout, which would require brook trout. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, okay, I'm sorry, it will. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>have a slight correction of my own on that same story.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody brought to my attention that I I I miss

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<v Speaker 1>represented wild versus native trout, or like I I like

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<v Speaker 1>slipped and I said wild when I meant yeah, come on, people,

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<v Speaker 1>get over come on. That happens all the time. Native

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<v Speaker 1>is something that has been here always. Wild is something

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<v Speaker 1>that was introduced and has since developed, like a sustaining population.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's there's my correction. Joe. We're both we are

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<v Speaker 1>we are both now correct, we are coming correct. Okay, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>enough on that quick. Thanks to everyone that tuned into

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<v Speaker 1>Hayden's Tuesday Night tie deal last week on Instagram. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I had a bunch of fun chatting with you guys

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<v Speaker 1>while tying up the old master splinter. Now, so everyone

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<v Speaker 1>knows you're aiming to host that every Tuesday night on

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<v Speaker 1>your Instagram. Correct, I am a man um so real

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<v Speaker 1>quick this week, like this past week, from the point

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<v Speaker 1>that you were listening to it, now go back in

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<v Speaker 1>time three days that being Tuesday, we did not do

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<v Speaker 1>a We did not do a tie week, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm trying to get the whole thing sort of

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<v Speaker 1>under my fingers, trying to find some cool folks to

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<v Speaker 1>come on and teach us how to tie fly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>to that end, I'd like because a few people reached

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<v Speaker 1>out to me, I am down to jump in there

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<v Speaker 1>when I can, but just to clarify, I can't necessaries. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's an ass to be wiped at that hour on

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<v Speaker 1>most Tuesdays. Okay, yeah, anyway, So yeah, the bent uh

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<v Speaker 1>tie along Tuesday series that is going to be taking

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<v Speaker 1>off soon on the old Instagram. If you follow me

0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:43.280
<v Speaker 1>at Hayden Underscore SAMAC, you will be tuned into when

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<v Speaker 1>that's going down. Basically, we're gonna have somebody cool come

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<v Speaker 1>on and show me how to tie a fly, and

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<v Speaker 1>by proxy, you how to tie a fly. We'll tie

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<v Speaker 1>one with a tutorial, and then we'll tie another one

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<v Speaker 1>while we're just kind of bullshit, and I'll what's our

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<v Speaker 1>show with the chicken wings hot ones? Kind of like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and dude and I I really did have fun. I

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<v Speaker 1>will jump in when I can, maybe not to tie along,

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<v Speaker 1>but just to like heckle and say in an ship. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but no, that's good. That was a really good time. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see, let's not forget our conservation minutes before we

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<v Speaker 1>get into the meat of news. It's a new thing

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing. Here's what I got. The state of Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 1>recently announced that motorist can now purchase license plates to

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<v Speaker 1>give back to striped bass conservation. Uh. If you want one,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll have to spend forty dollars every two years, on

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<v Speaker 1>top of the fee that comes with just having a

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<v Speaker 1>regular plate. Quote from the story reads, the purchase of

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<v Speaker 1>these specialty license plates will enhance efforts to conserve and

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<v Speaker 1>restore stripe bass, river herring, and other marine fisheries that

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<v Speaker 1>are vital to the Commonwealth's coastal ecology, economy, and culture.

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<v Speaker 1>The plate features a striper chasing l wife herring, painted

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<v Speaker 1>by artist Jane BEYONDI. Uh so we know, Bob the

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<v Speaker 1>garbage man is out because those ain't bunka and uh

0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:01.200
<v Speaker 1>A giant sebio Mattics member may have been more appealing

0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:04.080
<v Speaker 1>to the anglers in that state, since them only fish

0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:06.639
<v Speaker 1>the cape cod canal boom. I had to do it.

0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:08.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to hear about it. But there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not really sure the context, but I'm that's all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Onto my conservation min in here. I got to uh

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<v Speaker 1>one being a follow up to your conservation minute from

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<v Speaker 1>last week. That being that, um, the Goliath Grouper season

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<v Speaker 1>is is going to be a thing in Florida and

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<v Speaker 1>you can buy a tag. It was passed. So there's that.

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<v Speaker 1>Um now my more elaborate minute. On March first, New

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico officially declared landowner efforts to restrict public access to

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<v Speaker 1>rivers and creeks is unconstitutional. Landowners were taking advantage of

0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:48.760
<v Speaker 1>New Mexico's designation of waterways is being unnavigable. Uh So,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't know, in much of the West, this

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<v Speaker 1>designation is like navigable versus non navigable. Is what separates

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<v Speaker 1>water you can legally access by like waiting or boating

0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:01.720
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, from water that you cannot. And people love

0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:05.040
<v Speaker 1>to debate navigable versus non navigable. It's a thing in

0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:09.280
<v Speaker 1>every state. It's crazy. Yeah yeah. So um, as it

0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:12.080
<v Speaker 1>turned out like there was a single lawyer in New

0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Mexico was processing a bunch of applications on behalf of

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<v Speaker 1>landowners to designate their creeks and rivers running through their

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<v Speaker 1>property is non navigable, allowing the landowners to block them

0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:26.199
<v Speaker 1>with like barbed wire, chain link whatever. The problem was

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<v Speaker 1>that the certification of a non navigable waterway was more

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<v Speaker 1>of a paid for designation rather than in natural certification process.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not like somebody was like, yep, that's like

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<v Speaker 1>a thing. It's like this lawyer was literally just putting

0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:41.719
<v Speaker 1>in these applications and like the state was going, yep,

0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:44.960
<v Speaker 1>sure it sounds good. Um. So anyway, basically you could

0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:47.360
<v Speaker 1>pay to privatize water whether or not it was actually

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<v Speaker 1>navigable or not navigable. Um. You know, it's worth noting

0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:54.320
<v Speaker 1>that there are lots of rivers in New Mexico that are,

0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:59.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, fluctuate insanely in flows. So even like something

0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:03.520
<v Speaker 1>that would be designated navigable could go all but dry

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<v Speaker 1>during like the summer months, then come back up and

0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:09.840
<v Speaker 1>it's still navigable even though for a while it was

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<v Speaker 1>non navigable. If that's confusing, I think that that's that

0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:17.280
<v Speaker 1>was the genesis for this legislation. Anyhow, Um, that just

0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:20.520
<v Speaker 1>got trashed and good riddance. If you'd like to read

0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:22.520
<v Speaker 1>more about it, You can check it out on the

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<v Speaker 1>meat eater dot com in an article by Maggie Hudlow,

0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:27.560
<v Speaker 1>who I'm actually gonna be referencing later on in fish

0:26:27.560 --> 0:26:32.240
<v Speaker 1>News UH titled New Mexico's Supreme Court restores public stream

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<v Speaker 1>access laws. There we go, all right, moving along. Remember,

0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:38.920
<v Speaker 1>UH news is a competition. We do not know which

0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:41.399
<v Speaker 1>feature story the other fella is bringing to the table.

0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:43.560
<v Speaker 1>At the end, a winner will be declared by our

0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:47.080
<v Speaker 1>trojan audio engineer, Phil Uh. And it is your lead

0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:51.600
<v Speaker 1>this week, man, So what you got? All right? So

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<v Speaker 1>this week on fish News, we're taking a ride down

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<v Speaker 1>to Georgia. That's for you. For me, it's across and

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<v Speaker 1>down to Georgia to talk about one of your favorite fish,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe the shad. Yes. Before we get there, though, I'd

0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:06.119
<v Speaker 1>be interested to know what started your infatuation with the

0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 1>shad Um. Is it just that they like fight hard?

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:10.919
<v Speaker 1>Or do you like that they taste like shit? Or

0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:13.680
<v Speaker 1>is it something to do in the spring. So it's

0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:17.400
<v Speaker 1>it's sort of all the above. Don't taste like shoot

0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:21.720
<v Speaker 1>the yeah, I don't want to yeah yeah right. Um. Really,

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:24.199
<v Speaker 1>the bigger answer is just tradition, I mean, growing up

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:27.520
<v Speaker 1>around here, like that's something everybody did, Like it was

0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:29.480
<v Speaker 1>a big deal that my dad and his friends would

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:32.439
<v Speaker 1>go to the Delaware Water Gap every year to do it.

0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:34.520
<v Speaker 1>And I remember, you know, like you're a little kid,

0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 1>you're not allowed to go, you're not tall enough for waiters,

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 1>and then finally you get brought in. So it's something

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:41.760
<v Speaker 1>I just grew up with as a spring happening here. Um,

0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 1>but it's also it's also the kickoff to spring fishing.

0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:49.399
<v Speaker 1>Two good spring fishing here. And they do fight damn hard,

0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:52.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, light nice light tackle. Yeah, do they jump.

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:55.320
<v Speaker 1>That's why we call them Jersey tarpin. Yeah. Now you

0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:58.320
<v Speaker 1>and I had uh, I forget what context we were

0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:04.080
<v Speaker 1>talking about it in, but you had mentioned, oh I remember. Folks,

0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:06.919
<v Speaker 1>if you have not seen Joe's B side on on

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:09.400
<v Speaker 1>shad in the Delaware, you you ought to go check

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:11.520
<v Speaker 1>that out. He gets deep into the history of it,

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<v Speaker 1>including how basically the folks at Valley Forge were relegated

0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 1>to shad based eating for a long stretch of time

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:22.399
<v Speaker 1>and we can basically owe our independence to eating the

0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:24.639
<v Speaker 1>fish that nobody wants to eat. Yes, and when you

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<v Speaker 1>finished watching that B side, read The Founding Fish by

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 1>John McPhee. It'll tell you more than the B side.

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:32.720
<v Speaker 1>It's a very good book. Yeah. Anyway, So on that note,

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<v Speaker 1>last week, angler Timmy Woods um timm Yeah, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>his and his two pounds ten ounce fish beat the

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<v Speaker 1>record for Georgia's biggest ever hickory shad, overtaking the previous

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<v Speaker 1>record held by Christian Blake Jones of a two pound

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 1>three ounce hickory shad caught in. Timmy's fish was also

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<v Speaker 1>just four ounces shot of the world record hickory shad,

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<v Speaker 1>coming in at two pounds fourteen ounces. Prior to that,

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 1>the record had been a one pound, fifteen ounces hickory

0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:15.560
<v Speaker 1>shad caught in a record that stood for nearly thirty years.

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<v Speaker 1>If you didn't do that math over to yourself, Um, Joe, Now,

0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:21.600
<v Speaker 1>I know that a lot of the a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the shad that you catch, or maybe all the shad

0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 1>that you catch, I'm not too familiar with the shad

0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 1>fishery where you're at, but or shad fishers in general

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 1>for that matter. Um, you catch American chad, and I'm

0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:37.360
<v Speaker 1>curious what your experience might be with hickory shad. Right. Well,

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:40.520
<v Speaker 1>I actually I actually catch both and it's It's interesting

0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 1>though where where I live on the Delaware River, we

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:47.479
<v Speaker 1>have a much much higher percentage of the big American shad, right,

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 1>so they're the biggest shad that run in the country.

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:53.080
<v Speaker 1>But I will pick off a couple of hickories a

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 1>season occasionally. Now. Subsequently, if you go just a little

0:29:56.760 --> 0:30:01.160
<v Speaker 1>bit further south to Philadelphia to the School River, you

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:04.760
<v Speaker 1>have them. You catch way more hickory shad. What is

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<v Speaker 1>what is that fishery like, man in the School Is

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 1>it worth doing? Um? Yes, it's a very good fishery,

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:13.400
<v Speaker 1>but I mean there's n damns on it. I mean,

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:15.280
<v Speaker 1>these fish can only go so far out of the

0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Delaware before they hit the famous dam behind the Art

0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Museum in Philly. And yes there are fish ladders, but

0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:24.480
<v Speaker 1>everybody's shad fishing below the damn. That's the story of

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:27.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot of East Coast rivers when I was When

0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:29.440
<v Speaker 1>I was living there, man, I always wanted to go

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:32.240
<v Speaker 1>and catch the shad, but I never did. Yeah, well,

0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:35.280
<v Speaker 1>hickories are a lot of fun. Um, they don't grow

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 1>as big as the Americans. Interesting though, they are a

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 1>much more aggressive shad. Right. So, whereas American shad, you

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:46.800
<v Speaker 1>have to set your your darts and your spoons out

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:49.680
<v Speaker 1>so they run into them and then they bite them.

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Hickory shad, unlike Americans, also bite in salt water, so

0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:57.760
<v Speaker 1>you catch them in the rivers. But then there's also

0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:00.560
<v Speaker 1>runs in the fall along the entire Jersey Coast around

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the inlets where you can cast spoons

0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 1>like you're casting for blue fish or or throw flies,

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:09.720
<v Speaker 1>and like you will see hickory shad blowing up bait fish.

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:13.720
<v Speaker 1>American chad don't do that, so they're smaller, but they're

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 1>scrappy um and just a little further south to me,

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:18.600
<v Speaker 1>you see a lot more that we have a much

0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:21.120
<v Speaker 1>better run of Americans here. There you go, folks. In

0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 1>difference between American and hickory shad via Joe Surmeli back

0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 1>to the back to the article here. So the article

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:31.120
<v Speaker 1>that I like lifted this story from was by Newsweek,

0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:34.240
<v Speaker 1>and uh, the first thing I want to get into

0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 1>is how damn click baity the article title is. It's

0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:42.600
<v Speaker 1>borderline inexcusable. Man. Uh, it has to be the most

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:46.280
<v Speaker 1>click baity way you could possibly uh frame a shad?

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:48.120
<v Speaker 1>How well, how else are you gonna make people care

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 1>about a hickory shad. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, sure,

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:54.520
<v Speaker 1>but I mean like sure shad spend most of their

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:57.280
<v Speaker 1>time in the salt right and only migrate to spawn.

0:31:58.000 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 1>But to frame that as as the article titled itself,

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<v Speaker 1>record breaking fish normally found in Atlantic Ocean caught in

0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Georgia River is just like, what was this doing here?

0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh well, I mean that dude, that's honest to god,

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:18.920
<v Speaker 1>That's what drew me to thing. I was like, oh

0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 1>my god, what they do like catch like a red

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:26.280
<v Speaker 1>fish like way up somewhere, and it's an andronymous fish. Man,

0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 1>that's like calling a record steelhead, record breaking fish normally

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:32.760
<v Speaker 1>found in Pacific Ocean caught in a Washington River. I mean,

0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 1>not that we're doing that anymore, but it doesn't it

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:38.880
<v Speaker 1>just doesn't make any I thought that was funny, and

0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:43.200
<v Speaker 1>it's very funny. It's an a nadrumous fish, though not androminous.

0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I think that's from a sci fi movie, just like

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, an idiot. All right, Well, you know we

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:55.400
<v Speaker 1>all have those words man that we just can't get around.

0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:58.120
<v Speaker 1>And like, for whatever reason, my brain sees that and

0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:04.600
<v Speaker 1>goes andronymous. I know, it's an ADRUMUS. Anyway, I'm moving on.

0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about records. Lately. It seems like all sorts

0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 1>of records have been broken, and this extends across the US. So,

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:17.560
<v Speaker 1>as we mentioned in Georgia, the record had not been

0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 1>beaten for thirty years, got beat, and then got beat

0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:25.640
<v Speaker 1>again within like another year or so. Um. And this

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:29.640
<v Speaker 1>has been happening everywhere. For example, in one alone, Idaho

0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:32.560
<v Speaker 1>certified eighteen new record breaking fish. In the same year,

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Montana broke seven records in North Carolina. As similar pattern

0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 1>as we're seeing with the Georgia Hickory chad occurred last

0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 1>year when the state record for channel cats was broken

0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:44.960
<v Speaker 1>twice in the same year. Prior to that, the North

0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Carolina channel cat record had stood for over half a century.

0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:52.840
<v Speaker 1>As our very own, wildly talented colleague Maggie Hill, who

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 1>I referenced in the minutes there, recently reported the mean

0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:59.680
<v Speaker 1>mouth that's a hybrid smallmouth large mouth world record was

0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:02.000
<v Speaker 1>bro looking for the third time in a single year

0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:06.320
<v Speaker 1>in Texas. So what's up with all the record breaking?

0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Man um Experts have varying theories. Some include climate change

0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:15.840
<v Speaker 1>induced warming, prolonging growing seasons for fish, resulting in obviously

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 1>more growth. I wrote that like an idiot. Another theory

0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 1>is that angler awareness of potential state records has increased

0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:27.000
<v Speaker 1>in our digital age, and you keep going, but I'm

0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 1>going with that one. I think that's likely with information

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:34.640
<v Speaker 1>on state records available at angler's fingertips no matter where

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:36.880
<v Speaker 1>they are. And another theory is that COVID just got

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:39.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot more people actively fishing, whether that's first timers

0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 1>or fishermen with more time on their hands. All of

0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:44.719
<v Speaker 1>these theories make sense, and it makes you wonder how

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:47.000
<v Speaker 1>long the trend will continue. Now, Joe, I know you

0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:50.239
<v Speaker 1>had something to say about the state records in a

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:53.480
<v Speaker 1>digital age. Yeah, well it's a snappy title, man, Spencer.

0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:56.880
<v Speaker 1>You can have that and and and COVID is accurate, right,

0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:00.960
<v Speaker 1>there are more people out fishing, but yeah, straight up, man, like,

0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:04.040
<v Speaker 1>I think there are more people that get off on

0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:08.400
<v Speaker 1>like posting their record, channel cat or chat like. They

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:12.080
<v Speaker 1>are just more people that are looking to achieve those goals,

0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:14.400
<v Speaker 1>whereas I don't know, dude, I might have caught the

0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:18.319
<v Speaker 1>world record Hickory Chad nineteen times in my life, but

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:21.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't care, Like I wouldn't even be thinking I

0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:23.920
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't even look that up. And I think that's how

0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:27.759
<v Speaker 1>people used to operate. So for a state record to

0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:30.319
<v Speaker 1>fall or something, first and foremost, you had to look

0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:33.680
<v Speaker 1>at that thing and have a sense of like, holy

0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 1>sh it, this is so big. I need to check

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:39.520
<v Speaker 1>what the world record is. If I ever told you

0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:42.880
<v Speaker 1>my channel cat story, I might have even told it

0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:45.880
<v Speaker 1>on the podcast, Like long story, short man. I I

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:49.440
<v Speaker 1>caught this huge channel cat that I thought was I

0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:54.160
<v Speaker 1>don't know, probably mid twenties something like that, like pounds,

0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:57.080
<v Speaker 1>and I asked my buddy, I said, hey, look up

0:35:57.080 --> 0:36:00.359
<v Speaker 1>with the state record channel cat is, or I think

0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:02.200
<v Speaker 1>I I mess this up. I said, look up what

0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:05.840
<v Speaker 1>the state record cat is. And my buddy, who was

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:11.880
<v Speaker 1>not as super experienced fisherman, gave me the flathead catfish record,

0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:14.080
<v Speaker 1>not the channel cat record, and I was like, I

0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:15.920
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, dude, not even in contention through the

0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:19.960
<v Speaker 1>thing back. Turns out that the channel cat record was

0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:24.600
<v Speaker 1>obviously significantly less. I think it's like pounds something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't think it would have been a state record.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying like, oh, I definitely threw back up

0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:32.840
<v Speaker 1>state record fish, but like, at least it might have

0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:35.879
<v Speaker 1>been in contention, right, But do you lose sleep over

0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:38.000
<v Speaker 1>that not having that title? No? No, no no, no no.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm saying like that, you know again pointing to

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<v Speaker 1>like the digital age thing, like I was able to reference.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, it's exactly right. Was incredibly easy to call

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<v Speaker 1>that information up, no doubt, way to go, Jack. But

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<v Speaker 1>there are just certain but there are just certain things,

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<v Speaker 1>shad being one of them that like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't even who can't like who it's a HiT's

0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:05.279
<v Speaker 1>no disrespect to Timmy, but like it's a Hickory shad Man. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, well you know it's like you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>an extension to like lying class records and like you know,

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:15.759
<v Speaker 1>like sicklid records. If I'm going to go through the

0:37:15.760 --> 0:37:18.359
<v Speaker 1>effort of state recording something, I want people to see

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:20.920
<v Speaker 1>it and go, oh damn, you know what I mean,

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:24.719
<v Speaker 1>Like you know, so it's hey, we've talked about record chase,

0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:29.440
<v Speaker 1>something that folks really care about, like snakeheads. Yes that

0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:36.800
<v Speaker 1>was sarcastic. Please enter your password. You have one unheard

0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:42.600
<v Speaker 1>message is Carl. So we're sending out another drone operator

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:46.000
<v Speaker 1>with another drone, So if you could please keep an

0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:49.800
<v Speaker 1>eye on your back cast. Drones were great, mere terrible

0:37:49.840 --> 0:38:03.760
<v Speaker 1>and thanks man. End of message, Delete priss seven save deleted. Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's move over from the downplaying of Phish records

0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:10.759
<v Speaker 1>to the downplaying of fishing in general. A couple of

0:38:10.800 --> 0:38:13.839
<v Speaker 1>people sent this along. It's a weird one, but it's

0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:17.040
<v Speaker 1>just too ridiculous not to share, okay, and it comes

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<v Speaker 1>from the u K's Guardian headline. University Warrens woke students

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<v Speaker 1>that Ernest Hemingway's classic novel Old Man in the Sea

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<v Speaker 1>contains graphic scenes of fishing now long ago, like just wait,

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:38.200
<v Speaker 1>do you just wait? Now long ago they think about

0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:40.800
<v Speaker 1>death in the afternoon, or for whom the bell tolls.

0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:43.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm going I'm going to tell you, maybe not very specifically,

0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:48.040
<v Speaker 1>but close now long ago. I expressed my feelings about

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<v Speaker 1>Ernest Hemingway on this show, but today those feelings are

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:52.480
<v Speaker 1>neither here nor there, right, I will have you know. However,

0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:55.240
<v Speaker 1>Old Man in the Sea is I think the only

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<v Speaker 1>required summer high school reading I actually read. The rest

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<v Speaker 1>were all cliffs notes, and yes, of course it was

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<v Speaker 1>because it was about fishing. But also it is extremely short, right,

0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:08.400
<v Speaker 1>is it? It? Is a very short book. Thick ass

0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:10.759
<v Speaker 1>wuthering heights in Jane are naw dog like I got

0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:14.560
<v Speaker 1>stockers to catch get time for that right. I was

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<v Speaker 1>in Advanced English, even though I didn't read the books. Anyway, great, anyway,

0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:22.880
<v Speaker 1>I was an English major and didn't read the books.

0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:26.080
<v Speaker 1>You can't even pronounce a nadromus, So that means what

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<v Speaker 1>happened in Finnegans wake me and nobody else can tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>So look, I do think though, on the off chance

0:39:33.200 --> 0:39:35.400
<v Speaker 1>you're not familiar with the story, here's the super cliff

0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:39.080
<v Speaker 1>notes like crazy cliff notes, what's fasting? It's a guy

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<v Speaker 1>who doesn't care about books or interesting films and things

0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:47.520
<v Speaker 1>that an old man heads out to sea to fish.

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<v Speaker 1>He catches a giant marlin. It's too big to fit

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<v Speaker 1>in his little rowboats, so he ties it along the side,

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<v Speaker 1>but then spends the next few days trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>back to shore as he fends off sharks trying to

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<v Speaker 1>eat his marlin, and returns, as I recall, with nothing

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<v Speaker 1>but the head and the tail. So some say this

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<v Speaker 1>is the story is a metaphor for life. Others say

0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:07.320
<v Speaker 1>it's a metaphor for Christianity. But it is a classic,

0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:12.400
<v Speaker 1>right lover hate hemingway, It's a classic. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>University of the Highlands and Islands in Scotland, the metaphor

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<v Speaker 1>is apparently too violent, too disturbing for some readers. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess. So as not to overwhelm the school

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<v Speaker 1>counselors or whatever, the university put a content warning on

0:40:25.640 --> 0:40:30.880
<v Speaker 1>the book, alerting students that it contain quote graphic fishing scenes. Okay,

0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:32.840
<v Speaker 1>before we get to that, real quick, if you're the

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<v Speaker 1>listener already crafting an email in your head telling us

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 1>what your interpretation of the old Man in the Sea is, stop, yeah,

0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:48.239
<v Speaker 1>send that to Miles Nulty at anyway. Okay, so you

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<v Speaker 1>brought up what do they think about this, that or

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<v Speaker 1>the other thing? This is not the first book that

0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:55.040
<v Speaker 1>the university has added the content warning too. And here's

0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:58.799
<v Speaker 1>the thing. This, this determination, these warnings are are being

0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:02.680
<v Speaker 1>figured out by like their historical and literal society, right,

0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:06.520
<v Speaker 1>So it's not like one guy. Um. Others include Mary

0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Shelley's Frankenstein, which the content warning says contains violent murder

0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:14.440
<v Speaker 1>and cruelty, as well as Romeo and Juliet, which contains

0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:18.799
<v Speaker 1>quote uh, scenes of stabbing poison and suicide. So that

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<v Speaker 1>graphic content warning just kind of ruins the entire book

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<v Speaker 1>if you hadn't read it. You know what I'm saying,

0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:27.799
<v Speaker 1>Like like you just told me everything that's gonna happen,

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<v Speaker 1>like you figure out in the beginning of Well, clearly

0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:32.920
<v Speaker 1>I know exactly what's gonna happen. Anyway. A spokesman for

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<v Speaker 1>the university said they are doing this so students can

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<v Speaker 1>make informed choices. Um, And that's great, except I bet

0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:42.200
<v Speaker 1>most of the choices they make are not to take

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<v Speaker 1>the old man in the sea out of the library

0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:46.799
<v Speaker 1>and stay in their dorms, like watching horrible pranks going

0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:49.360
<v Speaker 1>wrong on TikTok and like people getting blown up on

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:51.960
<v Speaker 1>the news. Right, so like we're gonna worry about old

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<v Speaker 1>man and see. Um. And I'm sorry, but but there's

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<v Speaker 1>a part like this reeks to me a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of like that one kid, Like that one kid that

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<v Speaker 1>got all offended by something and complained because he thought

0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Frankenstein was gonna be like the lovable goofball he was

0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:07.920
<v Speaker 1>in Monster Squad. You know what I mean. It was

0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:12.080
<v Speaker 1>like terribly wrong. Um. Anyway, what are other very smart

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<v Speaker 1>people saying about the move to add graphic content warnings

0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:19.040
<v Speaker 1>to classic literature. They're saying that it is extremely dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Dearborn, the author of Ernest Hemingway at Biography, said

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<v Speaker 1>this is nonsense. Oh, I bet you she doesn't have

0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:27.920
<v Speaker 1>any I bet you she doesn't have any skin in

0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:30.600
<v Speaker 1>the game. Probably not, She says, this is nonsense. It

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<v Speaker 1>blows my mind to think students might be encouraged to

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<v Speaker 1>steer clear of the book. The world is a violent

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<v Speaker 1>place and it is counterproductive to pretend otherwise. Much of

0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:41.200
<v Speaker 1>the violence in this story is rooted in the natural world.

0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:44.840
<v Speaker 1>And she's right, it's it's it is the law of nature.

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<v Speaker 1>Now here's the here' you're gonna see trigger warnings outside

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<v Speaker 1>of yellow ste So here's the best part. Jeremy Black,

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<v Speaker 1>emeritus professor of history at the University of Exeter, added,

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<v Speaker 1>this is particularly stupid given the dependency of the economy

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<v Speaker 1>of the Highlands and Islands of Scotland on industries such

0:43:06.320 --> 0:43:10.480
<v Speaker 1>as commercial fishing and farming. So like, that's kind of

0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:13.160
<v Speaker 1>the clincher. Like one of the biggest industries in this

0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:18.400
<v Speaker 1>part of Scotland is freaking commercial fishing. In Santiago, the

0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:21.319
<v Speaker 1>main character of the book was a commercial fisherman, so

0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:24.239
<v Speaker 1>not to get off I'm trying not to get off

0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:26.080
<v Speaker 1>on a ran here, because boy could I. But I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just tell you, like, this is what bothers me most.

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:31.520
<v Speaker 1>And it's not the specific incident or the graphic content

0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:34.279
<v Speaker 1>warning on one book, but I think it speaks a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit to the vulnerability of outdoors pursuits in the

0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:40.879
<v Speaker 1>public eye in general. Right, Like if one organization can

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<v Speaker 1>decide fishing is worthy of a graphic content warning, is

0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:48.279
<v Speaker 1>it reasonable to assume And I'm I'm asking this, I'm

0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:50.720
<v Speaker 1>not stating things like, but is it reasonable to assume

0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:53.200
<v Speaker 1>that in time like fishing, books or videos could just

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:55.399
<v Speaker 1>be labeled to something graphic? You know what I mean?

0:43:55.440 --> 0:43:58.080
<v Speaker 1>Like if you scoff at that, has it not already

0:43:58.120 --> 0:44:00.839
<v Speaker 1>happened in hunting? You know? If enough people speak up

0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:02.399
<v Speaker 1>and say that's wrong, and I don't want to see

0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:05.439
<v Speaker 1>that suddenly a pastime enjoyed Bible a lot of people

0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:08.520
<v Speaker 1>can be contained on YouTube or Facebook, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. I just want to close by saying I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that's going to happen with fishing. I don't

0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:16.560
<v Speaker 1>think so. But putting the graphic warning on old Man

0:44:16.560 --> 0:44:19.359
<v Speaker 1>in the sea means that enough people within what you'd

0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:23.720
<v Speaker 1>assumes an organization of smart people signed off and said, yes,

0:44:24.320 --> 0:44:27.399
<v Speaker 1>I agree with this decision. We collectively agree there should

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<v Speaker 1>be a graphic warning about the fishing in a classic

0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Hemingway book. I think it's something to think about. Well,

0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:37.719
<v Speaker 1>you know they're in like why. I don't know, man,

0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't have anything smart to say about this. I

0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:42.399
<v Speaker 1>wish I did. Dude, did you read The Old Man

0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:49.040
<v Speaker 1>in the Sea? Yeah? Sure, did? I think that? Um,

0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:50.759
<v Speaker 1>all right, here's where I think. Take your time if

0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:52.360
<v Speaker 1>you need to do. We can pause for a second,

0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:54.480
<v Speaker 1>cut it if you want a noodle on it. No, no,

0:44:54.520 --> 0:44:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I got it. I think that. Um. I think a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of time there are things that we are exposed

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<v Speaker 1>to in life that we don't have the tools to

0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:12.400
<v Speaker 1>deal with, um, a shocking death, some sort of trauma.

0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:18.880
<v Speaker 1>I also think that literature is a safe space to

0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:24.160
<v Speaker 1>be exposed to those traumas in like a nonconsequential wealth

0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:28.440
<v Speaker 1>put and and at least help you develop the tools

0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:31.600
<v Speaker 1>you need to navigate things you're gonna come up in life.

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<v Speaker 1>For instance, when I was a when I was a

0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:40.640
<v Speaker 1>kid in fifth grade, we read a book called The K.

0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:42.600
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever read that one? I'm not familiar with

0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:46.319
<v Speaker 1>that one. Now. It's like it's a like a it's

0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:48.319
<v Speaker 1>like a little like novella kind of deal. It's like,

0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:51.200
<v Speaker 1>I I forget if it's like one of those well

0:45:51.239 --> 0:45:54.240
<v Speaker 1>known books or I mean, I'm sure it's well known. Anyway.

0:45:54.360 --> 0:46:00.000
<v Speaker 1>The K is about a a little privileged kid who

0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:02.520
<v Speaker 1>who's I think it's like the boat that his family

0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:06.640
<v Speaker 1>is on sinks and he's left with this dude I

0:46:06.680 --> 0:46:09.399
<v Speaker 1>think Timothy is his name, and Timothy is a blackfellow.

0:46:10.120 --> 0:46:13.000
<v Speaker 1>And this is at a point in time where like

0:46:13.239 --> 0:46:17.400
<v Speaker 1>racial like tensions are like high in society, right, So,

0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:21.720
<v Speaker 1>like in a lot of ways as a fifth grader,

0:46:22.520 --> 0:46:25.640
<v Speaker 1>that was like one of my first exposures to like

0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:30.920
<v Speaker 1>a a long explication of like the ideas of like racism,

0:46:31.040 --> 0:46:36.200
<v Speaker 1>and like, you know, it's you understand what I totally do.

0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:38.759
<v Speaker 1>I totally do that. That was so good. I may

0:46:38.840 --> 0:46:40.400
<v Speaker 1>have to get filled to put from the arms of

0:46:40.400 --> 0:46:42.680
<v Speaker 1>the Angel under under what you just did again. I'm

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:45.799
<v Speaker 1>just God, don't do it and just let me like

0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:49.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm letting you anyway, So what is the whole point

0:46:49.640 --> 0:46:52.400
<v Speaker 1>of kids read books at different stages throughout their life,

0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:56.760
<v Speaker 1>like that's part, that's part. So I will say that that,

0:46:57.080 --> 0:46:59.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, twenty something years later, I'm still trying to

0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:01.200
<v Speaker 1>figure out what the Catcher in the Rye was about.

0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:03.359
<v Speaker 1>Like I just don't really get it, and I don't

0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:05.080
<v Speaker 1>want to get off on it. But that was one

0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:07.560
<v Speaker 1>it was like, Oh, Joey, it just kills me. Man,

0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:10.520
<v Speaker 1>it just kills me that you don't know that. It's

0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:12.080
<v Speaker 1>like all this hype, like next year we get to

0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:14.400
<v Speaker 1>read Catcher in the Rye. I'm like, I don't get it. Anyway,

0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:17.040
<v Speaker 1>We'll see what what Phil got this week. This should

0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:19.160
<v Speaker 1>be a good one from Phil based on these two

0:47:19.239 --> 0:47:23.040
<v Speaker 1>choices of story. And then after him, let's keep it salty. You.

0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:24.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do an end of the line on a

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:27.600
<v Speaker 1>jig that you actually might be able to catch a

0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:30.719
<v Speaker 1>Marlin on um or if not, at least a big

0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:35.239
<v Speaker 1>s tuna. You know, it's been a while and I'm

0:47:35.239 --> 0:47:37.800
<v Speaker 1>feeling generous today, so I think I'm gonna give the

0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:42.160
<v Speaker 1>wind to Hayden this week. Congrats. I know we're over

0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:45.000
<v Speaker 1>halfway through the show and things like this generally go

0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:47.560
<v Speaker 1>up at the top of something, but I thought I'd

0:47:47.560 --> 0:47:50.080
<v Speaker 1>go ahead an issue a trigger warning for Bent, you know,

0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:52.279
<v Speaker 1>just in case there are any discerning listeners out there

0:47:52.280 --> 0:47:55.840
<v Speaker 1>who could use it. Okay, here we go warning. The

0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Bent podcast contains graphic depictions of two white guys talking

0:48:00.000 --> 0:48:04.000
<v Speaker 1>behind microphones and engaging in self congratulatory mental masturbation for

0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:07.480
<v Speaker 1>about sixty minutes, give or take. Also, occasionally a guy

0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:10.400
<v Speaker 1>named Bob the garbage Man will show up, and Uh,

0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:12.239
<v Speaker 1>at that point, I don't even know what to warn

0:48:12.280 --> 0:48:20.399
<v Speaker 1>you about. You're on your own. All bets are off. Well,

0:48:20.400 --> 0:48:24.520
<v Speaker 1>that's not loud enough. I was twenty two years old,

0:48:24.840 --> 0:48:28.000
<v Speaker 1>fresh out of college and working at Saltwater Sportsman magazine

0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:31.400
<v Speaker 1>the first time I ever heard the words butterfly jig spoken.

0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:34.640
<v Speaker 1>This was two thousand five, and our editor, Dave di

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Benedetto had just returned from a trip to the Gulf

0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:39.960
<v Speaker 1>with Shimano where he got a first hand lesson about

0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:44.719
<v Speaker 1>the jig Shamano claimed would revolutionize saltwater fishing. Now I

0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:49.080
<v Speaker 1>was intrigued, of course, but not overly so. Why Because

0:48:49.120 --> 0:48:52.080
<v Speaker 1>at that age I was still glued to striper fishing

0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:54.760
<v Speaker 1>in the surf. That's what I knew, and more importantly,

0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:56.880
<v Speaker 1>that's what I could afford, and I hadn't been around

0:48:56.920 --> 0:48:59.480
<v Speaker 1>long enough to make friends and contacts with boats that

0:48:59.520 --> 0:49:02.600
<v Speaker 1>could take you off shore locally and actually use a

0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:07.560
<v Speaker 1>butterfly jig. But I clearly remember Dave being impressed with

0:49:07.600 --> 0:49:10.920
<v Speaker 1>its performance. It was also the first time American saltwater

0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:14.040
<v Speaker 1>anglers were introduced to the idea of a system, a

0:49:14.160 --> 0:49:17.799
<v Speaker 1>marketing strategy Shimano would continue for years to come. So

0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:20.799
<v Speaker 1>you couldn't just buy the butterfly jig and send it

0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:22.920
<v Speaker 1>down on your favorite ugly stick paired with the Mitchell

0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:25.880
<v Speaker 1>three hundred. For the jig to work properly, they said

0:49:26.080 --> 0:49:28.920
<v Speaker 1>it needed to be paired with their rods and reels

0:49:28.960 --> 0:49:34.120
<v Speaker 1>specifically designed for butterfly jigging. At the time I scoffed

0:49:34.239 --> 0:49:36.840
<v Speaker 1>the idea to fish Laura, I had to spend hundreds

0:49:36.880 --> 0:49:39.239
<v Speaker 1>more on your rod and reel. And I wasn't the

0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:41.040
<v Speaker 1>only one that felt this way, nor was I the

0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:44.600
<v Speaker 1>only one that questioned the productivity of this whole deal. Yes,

0:49:44.760 --> 0:49:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Dave had caught some red snappers and groupers, as I recall,

0:49:47.520 --> 0:49:49.520
<v Speaker 1>but as a giant blue fin tuna or yellow fin

0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:52.400
<v Speaker 1>tuna really gonna eat that little chunk of metal, and

0:49:52.440 --> 0:49:54.880
<v Speaker 1>if it does, with that little chunk of metal be

0:49:54.880 --> 0:49:57.520
<v Speaker 1>able to hang on long enough to land it. If

0:49:57.520 --> 0:50:00.359
<v Speaker 1>you take the design it face value, you can see

0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:03.200
<v Speaker 1>why an offshore angler may have been skeptical back in

0:50:03.239 --> 0:50:07.879
<v Speaker 1>the day. Butterfly jigs are thin profile, heavy jigs, some

0:50:08.000 --> 0:50:11.560
<v Speaker 1>wider and some extremely thin. Whereas the metal jigs we

0:50:11.560 --> 0:50:14.120
<v Speaker 1>were familiar with prior to two thousand five featured a

0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:18.480
<v Speaker 1>single or treble hook dangling at the bottom, butterfly jigs

0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:22.239
<v Speaker 1>came with assist hooks, something US anglers were not familiar

0:50:22.239 --> 0:50:26.960
<v Speaker 1>with at all. Assist hooks are heavy gage single hooks

0:50:27.000 --> 0:50:29.120
<v Speaker 1>tied or crimp to each end of a very heavy

0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:32.080
<v Speaker 1>piece of braided line or dacron, which is then looped

0:50:32.080 --> 0:50:36.560
<v Speaker 1>onto a solid steel ring. There are several configurations of

0:50:36.600 --> 0:50:39.799
<v Speaker 1>assist hooks, but regardless of the style, that ring they're

0:50:39.800 --> 0:50:42.399
<v Speaker 1>tied to is attached to the heavy duty split ring

0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:46.360
<v Speaker 1>on the top of the jig, not the bottom, dangling

0:50:46.480 --> 0:50:49.759
<v Speaker 1>freely as the jig does its thing. Now, that thing

0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:51.919
<v Speaker 1>is sort of a walk the dog action like you'd

0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:54.080
<v Speaker 1>see from a top water spook, only it's achieved in

0:50:54.080 --> 0:50:59.319
<v Speaker 1>a completely vertical orientation by pumping and reeling simultaneously at

0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:03.000
<v Speaker 1>a fast pace, thus giving birth to the now very

0:51:03.040 --> 0:51:08.480
<v Speaker 1>common term high speed jigging. What was a revolutionary concept

0:51:08.560 --> 0:51:10.560
<v Speaker 1>here had been common in Japan for more than a

0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:14.480
<v Speaker 1>decade before butterflies hit tackle shop shells. It's no secret

0:51:14.560 --> 0:51:16.799
<v Speaker 1>that many of the lures and tackle pieces we use

0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:20.000
<v Speaker 1>routinely today were developed by the Japanese first. But in

0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:23.000
<v Speaker 1>many ways, the butterfly jig had as much to do

0:51:23.080 --> 0:51:27.080
<v Speaker 1>with catching more fish as it did simple efficiency. The

0:51:27.160 --> 0:51:29.359
<v Speaker 1>Japanese love their fish right, and they want as many

0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:32.000
<v Speaker 1>in the boat as possible, as fast as possible. Now,

0:51:32.000 --> 0:51:33.960
<v Speaker 1>if you think about a traditional metal jake like a

0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Hopkins or a cast Master, your line is connected directly

0:51:37.520 --> 0:51:39.759
<v Speaker 1>to one end of the loure and the hook is

0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:42.680
<v Speaker 1>connected to the bottom of the loure. Any pressure you

0:51:42.680 --> 0:51:45.360
<v Speaker 1>put on the line is pulling directly against the heavy metal,

0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:47.640
<v Speaker 1>and as the lore flops around during the fight, the

0:51:47.680 --> 0:51:50.359
<v Speaker 1>way to the lord itself can in fact dislodge the hook.

0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:54.360
<v Speaker 1>The Japanese figured out that assist hooks provide a better

0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:57.440
<v Speaker 1>connection from the rod directly to the hook instead of

0:51:57.480 --> 0:52:01.600
<v Speaker 1>the loure, thus reducing fish laws. They also figured out

0:52:01.600 --> 0:52:03.640
<v Speaker 1>that by reducing the weight of their rods and reels

0:52:03.640 --> 0:52:08.040
<v Speaker 1>while simultaneously making them stronger. They could actually put more

0:52:08.160 --> 0:52:11.840
<v Speaker 1>heat on the fish and land them much faster. To

0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:13.920
<v Speaker 1>do that, of course, to make that kind of tackle,

0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:17.000
<v Speaker 1>you end up creating much more expensive rods and reels,

0:52:17.040 --> 0:52:19.680
<v Speaker 1>which is why back in two thousand five so many

0:52:19.760 --> 0:52:25.040
<v Speaker 1>people said, yeah, okay, Shimano whatever. Fast forward to today,

0:52:25.239 --> 0:52:27.400
<v Speaker 1>and high speed jigging is a part of the vernacular

0:52:27.440 --> 0:52:30.360
<v Speaker 1>of salty anglers on every coast in the United States.

0:52:30.800 --> 0:52:33.560
<v Speaker 1>Matter of fact, it's so yesterday's news that now Shimano

0:52:33.640 --> 0:52:36.400
<v Speaker 1>is leading the charge in the other direction with slow

0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:39.359
<v Speaker 1>pitch jigging, because if you think fast was cool, wait,

0:52:39.440 --> 0:52:41.200
<v Speaker 1>un do you see what happens when you pump the brakes.

0:52:41.280 --> 0:52:43.800
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, that's a whole other end of the line segment.

0:52:44.480 --> 0:52:47.520
<v Speaker 1>These days, high speed butterfly jigs are produced by hundreds

0:52:47.560 --> 0:52:50.040
<v Speaker 1>of companies and price ranges to fit almost any budget.

0:52:50.520 --> 0:52:53.319
<v Speaker 1>Light jigging rods that have the backbone to beat big

0:52:53.360 --> 0:52:55.799
<v Speaker 1>tuna are found in every tackle shop from variety of

0:52:55.840 --> 0:52:59.720
<v Speaker 1>makers to almost fit any budget as well. Since first

0:52:59.760 --> 0:53:02.200
<v Speaker 1>here about butterfly jigs way back when I was the

0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:04.880
<v Speaker 1>saltwater sports been intern I've gotten used them a lot

0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:09.120
<v Speaker 1>for everything from golf snappers, two keys, amberjacks to Jersey tuna,

0:53:09.320 --> 0:53:13.240
<v Speaker 1>but I don't think I'll ever forget my first connection

0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:16.600
<v Speaker 1>with one. It was during a Bluefin run a few

0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:19.200
<v Speaker 1>years later, after Butterflies hit the scene, and the buddy

0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:21.640
<v Speaker 1>whose boat I was on and who had a lot

0:53:21.800 --> 0:53:23.879
<v Speaker 1>more money than me at the time, was the kind

0:53:23.880 --> 0:53:25.560
<v Speaker 1>of guy that liked to stock his sled with the

0:53:25.600 --> 0:53:28.160
<v Speaker 1>latest and greatest. So when we came over a pile

0:53:28.200 --> 0:53:30.960
<v Speaker 1>of marks, he handed me a butterfly rod and said

0:53:31.040 --> 0:53:34.120
<v Speaker 1>drop it. Now. I've never used one before, so he said,

0:53:34.360 --> 0:53:37.719
<v Speaker 1>just real fast and pump. At the same time, I

0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:41.080
<v Speaker 1>was trying to say like this, but only got out

0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:44.839
<v Speaker 1>like before. It felt like I had snagged the Titanic.

0:53:45.440 --> 0:53:49.080
<v Speaker 1>It was one of the most impressive dead stop rod

0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:52.640
<v Speaker 1>bending hits I'd ever felt, and it is a very

0:53:52.719 --> 0:53:56.640
<v Speaker 1>addicting kind of hit. It's the brown trout crumpling the

0:53:56.680 --> 0:54:01.080
<v Speaker 1>streamer on steroids. It's the bass annihilating the frog times ten.

0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:05.640
<v Speaker 1>And if you've never experienced a high speed jig hit man,

0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:10.839
<v Speaker 1>you really should. And I will now be putting high

0:54:10.880 --> 0:54:14.440
<v Speaker 1>speed jigging on my list of things to do. You know,

0:54:14.600 --> 0:54:17.440
<v Speaker 1>I I don't really think it's it's translated over to

0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:21.520
<v Speaker 1>sweetwater at least not the exact SAMEE presentation. But you

0:54:21.520 --> 0:54:23.600
<v Speaker 1>you could scale it down like I don't see why

0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:25.799
<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't work for things like lakers and pike through

0:54:25.800 --> 0:54:27.719
<v Speaker 1>the ice. The one thing about high speed is that

0:54:27.760 --> 0:54:31.160
<v Speaker 1>it is designed for fish that are not messing around.

0:54:31.360 --> 0:54:33.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they can't be like nippers, like they gotta

0:54:33.239 --> 0:54:36.759
<v Speaker 1>be ready to just trash the thing. It's time to

0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:40.479
<v Speaker 1>start prototyping up some micro butterfly jigs that could Yeah,

0:54:40.560 --> 0:54:42.480
<v Speaker 1>there you go, that could be the next big thing. Man,

0:54:42.560 --> 0:54:45.120
<v Speaker 1>Just scale it down anyway. Um, that was a great

0:54:45.160 --> 0:54:48.280
<v Speaker 1>back story on a modern lure that has a stronghold

0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:50.800
<v Speaker 1>in the saltwater scene. But we're going to discuss another

0:54:50.800 --> 0:54:53.520
<v Speaker 1>one that has kind of taken over in the bast scene.

0:54:54.120 --> 0:54:56.919
<v Speaker 1>Joining us on the bent Helpline today is none other

0:54:56.960 --> 0:55:00.439
<v Speaker 1>than the aforementioned Mike I canelli to wait has made

0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:03.960
<v Speaker 1>fun of way In on this bait and whether it's

0:55:04.040 --> 0:55:08.520
<v Speaker 1>knocked another classic out of favor. What do you laughing at,

0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Mark Deiny? You're not an idiot, You're not a damn loony.

0:55:12.400 --> 0:55:19.360
<v Speaker 1>How Moore, you're a fisherman ever best what's your emergency?

0:55:20.239 --> 0:55:22.560
<v Speaker 1>So joining us today for the ben helpline? How about

0:55:22.600 --> 0:55:24.799
<v Speaker 1>this for help? How about Mike? I canelli to help

0:55:24.840 --> 0:55:28.960
<v Speaker 1>with the bass fishing question? What are the odds? Right? So?

0:55:29.400 --> 0:55:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Who who is the lucky listener? That is Kyle Alston

0:55:32.680 --> 0:55:35.239
<v Speaker 1>who sent this question in? And I gotta admit I've

0:55:35.280 --> 0:55:38.040
<v Speaker 1>been sitting on it because, like I told Mike, I

0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:40.160
<v Speaker 1>could kind a weigh in on this, but not nearly

0:55:40.160 --> 0:55:42.640
<v Speaker 1>as good as as he can. I don't think you know,

0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna offer quite as much perspective. So Mike, how

0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:47.920
<v Speaker 1>you doing? Man? We all, as always we appreciate you

0:55:47.960 --> 0:55:52.080
<v Speaker 1>being here doing great, great, cool cool. So I'm very

0:55:52.120 --> 0:55:54.200
<v Speaker 1>curious to to get your take on this. It's a

0:55:54.239 --> 0:55:56.920
<v Speaker 1>it's a simple question, maybe with a complex answer, and

0:55:56.960 --> 0:55:58.480
<v Speaker 1>maybe you might disagree with it. So this is what

0:55:58.600 --> 0:56:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Kyle writes He's as growing up, I swear all my

0:56:02.040 --> 0:56:04.479
<v Speaker 1>dad would ever throw for bass was a spinner bait.

0:56:05.040 --> 0:56:08.040
<v Speaker 1>Therefore I used to throw a lot of spinner baits too,

0:56:08.400 --> 0:56:10.760
<v Speaker 1>he says. I try to stay up on modern bass tactics,

0:56:11.120 --> 0:56:12.880
<v Speaker 1>and I feel like, for the most part, people just

0:56:12.920 --> 0:56:16.560
<v Speaker 1>don't talk much about spinner baits anymore. Have they become obsolete?

0:56:17.040 --> 0:56:18.880
<v Speaker 1>I still catch fish on them, but it seems like

0:56:19.000 --> 0:56:23.719
<v Speaker 1>chatter baits get a lot more love. Yeah. Well, I'm

0:56:23.719 --> 0:56:25.799
<v Speaker 1>gonna let you go first, because you know you're Mike.

0:56:25.840 --> 0:56:28.920
<v Speaker 1>I can so I can tell you this, Kyle, that

0:56:28.960 --> 0:56:31.040
<v Speaker 1>was a great question. It really is a good question.

0:56:31.160 --> 0:56:36.760
<v Speaker 1>And um, fishing trends, fishing lores. It's a lot like fashion.

0:56:37.160 --> 0:56:39.319
<v Speaker 1>I always like to convert it to fashion. My wife

0:56:39.360 --> 0:56:43.000
<v Speaker 1>would be happy I'm saying this right now. Things come

0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:45.880
<v Speaker 1>in and out of style a lot. Right if you

0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:48.919
<v Speaker 1>look at fashion, Joe, come on, you remember where parachute pants?

0:56:48.920 --> 0:56:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Don't you? Zoo Baz? Do you remember zoob Yeah with

0:56:54.120 --> 0:56:57.120
<v Speaker 1>the zebra stripes. Yeah yeah, yeah, stuff is out. But

0:56:57.120 --> 0:56:58.839
<v Speaker 1>whether we want admit it or not, it's gonna come

0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:01.360
<v Speaker 1>back a style a little bit. Uh. Well, yeah, Hayden

0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:04.000
<v Speaker 1>wears them. Now they come back. Hayden's got him on

0:57:04.160 --> 0:57:14.480
<v Speaker 1>right now. That's but I really think the same is

0:57:14.520 --> 0:57:16.880
<v Speaker 1>true for the spinner bait. You know, the spinner bait

0:57:16.920 --> 0:57:20.880
<v Speaker 1>has definitely lost favor to other trending techniques. And I

0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:24.520
<v Speaker 1>would say the chatter bait vibration jig for sure is

0:57:25.040 --> 0:57:28.280
<v Speaker 1>something that has pushed the spinner bait out, But the

0:57:28.400 --> 0:57:31.840
<v Speaker 1>spinner bait is so important to me, and I'm serious.

0:57:32.440 --> 0:57:36.200
<v Speaker 1>It's always tied on one rod in my rod ocker

0:57:36.360 --> 0:57:41.360
<v Speaker 1>at all times, and that that's I'm talking about, super dirty, muddy,

0:57:41.440 --> 0:57:47.160
<v Speaker 1>water stained, crystal clear, fifty degree pre spawn to heat

0:57:47.240 --> 0:57:50.360
<v Speaker 1>of the summer eighty degree water temperature. It's always tied on.

0:57:50.960 --> 0:57:54.480
<v Speaker 1>And the one thing that a spinner bait does is

0:57:54.800 --> 0:57:58.360
<v Speaker 1>it is the perfect lore for a combination of flash

0:57:58.440 --> 0:58:02.560
<v Speaker 1>and vibration together. So you know, if we were just

0:58:02.920 --> 0:58:08.160
<v Speaker 1>looking for vibration, chatter bait might be a better bait.

0:58:08.800 --> 0:58:13.080
<v Speaker 1>If we were just looking for flash, a jerk bait

0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:16.480
<v Speaker 1>or a spoon might be a better bait. But that

0:58:16.640 --> 0:58:20.560
<v Speaker 1>spinner bait is the perfect combination of both of those attributes.

0:58:21.200 --> 0:58:24.400
<v Speaker 1>And to me, it's the original Alabama ray right. It's

0:58:25.440 --> 0:58:27.840
<v Speaker 1>when you look at that spinner bait, it looks like

0:58:27.960 --> 0:58:30.479
<v Speaker 1>a little school of bait fish coming through the water.

0:58:31.080 --> 0:58:33.840
<v Speaker 1>You add that to the safety pin design of a

0:58:33.920 --> 0:58:37.240
<v Speaker 1>spinner bait and you could throw it anywhere. Just to

0:58:37.320 --> 0:58:40.240
<v Speaker 1>give you a real quick example that a chatter bait.

0:58:40.640 --> 0:58:43.440
<v Speaker 1>I love a chatter bait. Don't be throwing a chatter bait,

0:58:43.560 --> 0:58:46.240
<v Speaker 1>no stumps and would because you're gonna be hung up

0:58:46.280 --> 0:58:52.280
<v Speaker 1>with that john every five seconds. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:58:52.480 --> 0:58:58.080
<v Speaker 1>But the spinner bait by design, right that wire is

0:58:58.120 --> 0:59:01.640
<v Speaker 1>it the fleck tour to the bait, and it stops

0:59:01.680 --> 0:59:05.240
<v Speaker 1>it from getting snagged on wood, rock, even grass. Um,

0:59:05.800 --> 0:59:08.960
<v Speaker 1>it's a terrific bait. So my answer to that is,

0:59:09.040 --> 0:59:11.720
<v Speaker 1>don't get rid of your spinner bait anytime soon. It's

0:59:11.760 --> 0:59:14.920
<v Speaker 1>still a really good bait. The main thing I would

0:59:14.960 --> 0:59:18.960
<v Speaker 1>say is the blades are the most important thing on

0:59:19.040 --> 0:59:22.400
<v Speaker 1>a spinner bait. And if you want more vibration, you

0:59:22.480 --> 0:59:25.400
<v Speaker 1>go to a Colorado. If you want more flash, you

0:59:25.520 --> 0:59:27.880
<v Speaker 1>go to a willow. If you want something that sits

0:59:28.000 --> 0:59:30.520
<v Speaker 1>right in the middle, you fish in Indiana style blade

0:59:31.160 --> 0:59:33.040
<v Speaker 1>right on, right on, now'll see. I would also say,

0:59:33.400 --> 0:59:35.520
<v Speaker 1>even though I know there's some very very well made

0:59:35.560 --> 0:59:38.200
<v Speaker 1>spinner baits out there, chatter baits aren't cheap, but you

0:59:38.240 --> 0:59:40.919
<v Speaker 1>can still get them like two job or spinner baits

0:59:40.960 --> 0:59:42.440
<v Speaker 1>at the Walmart, you know what I mean. So like

0:59:42.520 --> 0:59:44.000
<v Speaker 1>if if you if you lose a few of them,

0:59:44.280 --> 0:59:47.240
<v Speaker 1>you don't really care. Um, dude, I I have, I

0:59:47.360 --> 0:59:49.160
<v Speaker 1>have not much more to add to that other than

0:59:49.200 --> 0:59:51.560
<v Speaker 1>I agreed with the question that I feel the same

0:59:51.600 --> 0:59:54.720
<v Speaker 1>way like snakehead fishing and stuff. Everybody's got chatter baits,

0:59:54.800 --> 0:59:57.320
<v Speaker 1>chatter baitch chatterbaitch chatter baits, and like nobody seems to

0:59:57.400 --> 1:00:01.000
<v Speaker 1>be throwing a spinner bait anymore. But they're as they're

1:00:01.040 --> 1:00:03.440
<v Speaker 1>definitely not obsolete, so that's the wrong way to to

1:00:03.560 --> 1:00:06.600
<v Speaker 1>think of it. So just not fashionable. They're not fashionable

1:00:06.640 --> 1:00:09.919
<v Speaker 1>at the moment, but they're still just as good. Well

1:00:10.120 --> 1:00:13.160
<v Speaker 1>appreciate that. Mike um Kyle, you just got your question

1:00:13.200 --> 1:00:15.280
<v Speaker 1>answered by Mike. I can elly. If you have a

1:00:15.360 --> 1:00:18.080
<v Speaker 1>question that you want answered, keep firing them off to

1:00:18.240 --> 1:00:20.720
<v Speaker 1>us at Bent at the Meat Eater dot com and

1:00:20.840 --> 1:00:28.920
<v Speaker 1>maybe we can help you out. So that's it for

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<v Speaker 1>this week. Big thanks again to Ike for dropping by

1:00:32.040 --> 1:00:34.640
<v Speaker 1>with some knowledge and clarity about spinner bates. Also to

1:00:34.800 --> 1:00:37.160
<v Speaker 1>every charter guide, you are welcome for the giant no

1:00:37.320 --> 1:00:40.880
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<v Speaker 1>Bent podcast hashtags. Likewise, if you've got an awkward photo,

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<v Speaker 1>send it to Bent at the Meat eatar dot com,

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<v Speaker 1>along with any Saleman items, bar nominations, questions, or news

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<v Speaker 1>clips you want us to read. That is right. And finally, kids,

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<v Speaker 1>do Dad a favor and learn the clinch not he

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<v Speaker 1>brought you into this world. It's the least you can do.

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<v Speaker 1>You haven't gotten a job, clean the garage, or finished

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<v Speaker 1>your first college, I say yet, so at least, given

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<v Speaker 1>the satisfaction of knowing you can tie on a rooster

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<v Speaker 1>tail