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Speaker 1: to Bent, the Fishing podcast that swears to God, if

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Speaker 1: you reel that barrel swivel into the tip guide one

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Speaker 1: When we get back to the dot, I'm Joe Surmeli

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Speaker 1: issue like an instentirety. Yes, technically, yes, there's several mainline

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Speaker 1: didn't provide his name, that's okay, Okay. Now he's a teenager, right,

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Speaker 1: one with a tutorial, and then we'll tie another one

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Speaker 1: while we're just kind of bullshit, and I'll what's our

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Speaker 1: show with the chicken wings hot ones? Kind of like yeah,

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Speaker 1: and dude and I I really did have fun. I

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Speaker 1: will jump in when I can, maybe not to tie along,

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Speaker 1: but just to like heckle and say in an ship. Um,

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Speaker 1: but no, that's good. That was a really good time. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Let's see, let's not forget our conservation minutes before we

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Speaker 1: get into the meat of news. It's a new thing

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Speaker 1: we're doing. Here's what I got. The state of Massachusetts

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Speaker 1: recently announced that motorist can now purchase license plates to

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Speaker 1: give back to striped bass conservation. Uh. If you want one,

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Speaker 1: you'll have to spend forty dollars every two years, on

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Speaker 1: top of the fee that comes with just having a

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Speaker 1: regular plate. Quote from the story reads, the purchase of

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Speaker 1: these specialty license plates will enhance efforts to conserve and

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Speaker 1: restore stripe bass, river herring, and other marine fisheries that

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Speaker 1: are vital to the Commonwealth's coastal ecology, economy, and culture.

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Speaker 1: The plate features a striper chasing l wife herring, painted

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Speaker 1: by artist Jane BEYONDI. Uh so we know, Bob the

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Speaker 1: garbage man is out because those ain't bunka and uh

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Speaker 1: A giant sebio Mattics member may have been more appealing

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Speaker 1: to the anglers in that state, since them only fish

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00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 1: the cape cod canal boom. I had to do it.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to hear about it. But there you go.

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00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure the context, but I'm that's all right.

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Speaker 1: Onto my conservation min in here. I got to uh

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Speaker 1: one being a follow up to your conservation minute from

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Speaker 1: last week. That being that, um, the Goliath Grouper season

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Speaker 1: is is going to be a thing in Florida and

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Speaker 1: you can buy a tag. It was passed. So there's that.

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Speaker 1: Um now my more elaborate minute. On March first, New

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Speaker 1: Mexico officially declared landowner efforts to restrict public access to

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Speaker 1: rivers and creeks is unconstitutional. Landowners were taking advantage of

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Speaker 1: New Mexico's designation of waterways is being unnavigable. Uh So,

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Speaker 1: if you don't know, in much of the West, this

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Speaker 1: designation is like navigable versus non navigable. Is what separates

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Speaker 1: water you can legally access by like waiting or boating

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Speaker 1: or whatever, from water that you cannot. And people love

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Speaker 1: to debate navigable versus non navigable. It's a thing in

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Speaker 1: every state. It's crazy. Yeah yeah. So um, as it

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Speaker 1: turned out like there was a single lawyer in New

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Speaker 1: Mexico was processing a bunch of applications on behalf of

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Speaker 1: landowners to designate their creeks and rivers running through their

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Speaker 1: property is non navigable, allowing the landowners to block them

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Speaker 1: with like barbed wire, chain link whatever. The problem was

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Speaker 1: that the certification of a non navigable waterway was more

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Speaker 1: of a paid for designation rather than in natural certification process.

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Speaker 1: So it's not like somebody was like, yep, that's like

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Speaker 1: a thing. It's like this lawyer was literally just putting

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Speaker 1: in these applications and like the state was going, yep,

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00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: sure it sounds good. Um. So anyway, basically you could

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Speaker 1: pay to privatize water whether or not it was actually

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Speaker 1: navigable or not navigable. Um. You know, it's worth noting

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Speaker 1: that there are lots of rivers in New Mexico that are,

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Speaker 1: you know, fluctuate insanely in flows. So even like something

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Speaker 1: that would be designated navigable could go all but dry

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Speaker 1: during like the summer months, then come back up and

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Speaker 1: it's still navigable even though for a while it was

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Speaker 1: non navigable. If that's confusing, I think that that's that

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Speaker 1: was the genesis for this legislation. Anyhow, Um, that just

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Speaker 1: got trashed and good riddance. If you'd like to read

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Speaker 1: more about it, You can check it out on the

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Speaker 1: meat eater dot com in an article by Maggie Hudlow,

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Speaker 1: who I'm actually gonna be referencing later on in fish

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Speaker 1: News UH titled New Mexico's Supreme Court restores public stream

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Speaker 1: access laws. There we go, all right, moving along. Remember,

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Speaker 1: UH news is a competition. We do not know which

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Speaker 1: feature story the other fella is bringing to the table.

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Speaker 1: At the end, a winner will be declared by our

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Speaker 1: trojan audio engineer, Phil Uh. And it is your lead

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Speaker 1: this week, man, So what you got? All right? So

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Speaker 1: this week on fish News, we're taking a ride down

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Speaker 1: to Georgia. That's for you. For me, it's across and

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Speaker 1: down to Georgia to talk about one of your favorite fish,

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Speaker 1: Joe the shad. Yes. Before we get there, though, I'd

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Speaker 1: be interested to know what started your infatuation with the

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Speaker 1: shad Um. Is it just that they like fight hard?

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Speaker 1: Or do you like that they taste like shit? Or

503
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: is it something to do in the spring. So it's

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00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: it's sort of all the above. Don't taste like shoot

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00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: the yeah, I don't want to yeah yeah right. Um. Really,

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00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 1: the bigger answer is just tradition, I mean, growing up

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Speaker 1: around here, like that's something everybody did, Like it was

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Speaker 1: a big deal that my dad and his friends would

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Speaker 1: go to the Delaware Water Gap every year to do it.

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00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: And I remember, you know, like you're a little kid,

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Speaker 1: you're not allowed to go, you're not tall enough for waiters,

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Speaker 1: and then finally you get brought in. So it's something

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Speaker 1: I just grew up with as a spring happening here. Um,

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00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: but it's also it's also the kickoff to spring fishing.

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00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: Two good spring fishing here. And they do fight damn hard,

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Speaker 1: you know, light nice light tackle. Yeah, do they jump.

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Speaker 1: That's why we call them Jersey tarpin. Yeah. Now you

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Speaker 1: and I had uh, I forget what context we were

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Speaker 1: talking about it in, but you had mentioned, oh I remember. Folks,

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Speaker 1: if you have not seen Joe's B side on on

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00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 1: shad in the Delaware, you you ought to go check

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Speaker 1: that out. He gets deep into the history of it,

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Speaker 1: including how basically the folks at Valley Forge were relegated

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Speaker 1: to shad based eating for a long stretch of time

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Speaker 1: and we can basically owe our independence to eating the

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Speaker 1: fish that nobody wants to eat. Yes, and when you

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Speaker 1: finished watching that B side, read The Founding Fish by

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Speaker 1: John McPhee. It'll tell you more than the B side.

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Speaker 1: It's a very good book. Yeah. Anyway, So on that note,

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Speaker 1: last week, angler Timmy Woods um timm Yeah, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: his and his two pounds ten ounce fish beat the

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Speaker 1: record for Georgia's biggest ever hickory shad, overtaking the previous

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Speaker 1: record held by Christian Blake Jones of a two pound

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Speaker 1: three ounce hickory shad caught in. Timmy's fish was also

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Speaker 1: just four ounces shot of the world record hickory shad,

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Speaker 1: coming in at two pounds fourteen ounces. Prior to that,

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Speaker 1: the record had been a one pound, fifteen ounces hickory

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Speaker 1: shad caught in a record that stood for nearly thirty years.

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Speaker 1: If you didn't do that math over to yourself, Um, Joe, Now,

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Speaker 1: I know that a lot of the a lot of

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Speaker 1: the shad that you catch, or maybe all the shad

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Speaker 1: that you catch, I'm not too familiar with the shad

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Speaker 1: fishery where you're at, but or shad fishers in general

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Speaker 1: for that matter. Um, you catch American chad, and I'm

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Speaker 1: curious what your experience might be with hickory shad. Right. Well,

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Speaker 1: I actually I actually catch both and it's It's interesting

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Speaker 1: though where where I live on the Delaware River, we

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Speaker 1: have a much much higher percentage of the big American shad, right,

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Speaker 1: so they're the biggest shad that run in the country.

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Speaker 1: But I will pick off a couple of hickories a

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Speaker 1: season occasionally. Now. Subsequently, if you go just a little

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Speaker 1: bit further south to Philadelphia to the School River, you

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Speaker 1: have them. You catch way more hickory shad. What is

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Speaker 1: what is that fishery like, man in the School Is

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Speaker 1: it worth doing? Um? Yes, it's a very good fishery,

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Speaker 1: but I mean there's n damns on it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: these fish can only go so far out of the

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Speaker 1: Delaware before they hit the famous dam behind the Art

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Speaker 1: Museum in Philly. And yes there are fish ladders, but

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00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: everybody's shad fishing below the damn. That's the story of

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Speaker 1: a lot of East Coast rivers when I was When

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Speaker 1: I was living there, man, I always wanted to go

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Speaker 1: and catch the shad, but I never did. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: hickories are a lot of fun. Um, they don't grow

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Speaker 1: as big as the Americans. Interesting though, they are a

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Speaker 1: much more aggressive shad. Right. So, whereas American shad, you

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Speaker 1: have to set your your darts and your spoons out

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Speaker 1: so they run into them and then they bite them.

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Speaker 1: Hickory shad, unlike Americans, also bite in salt water, so

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Speaker 1: you catch them in the rivers. But then there's also

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Speaker 1: runs in the fall along the entire Jersey Coast around

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Speaker 1: a lot of the inlets where you can cast spoons

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Speaker 1: like you're casting for blue fish or or throw flies,

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Speaker 1: and like you will see hickory shad blowing up bait fish.

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Speaker 1: American chad don't do that, so they're smaller, but they're

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Speaker 1: scrappy um and just a little further south to me,

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Speaker 1: you see a lot more that we have a much

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00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: better run of Americans here. There you go, folks. In

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Speaker 1: difference between American and hickory shad via Joe Surmeli back

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Speaker 1: to the back to the article here. So the article

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Speaker 1: that I like lifted this story from was by Newsweek,

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Speaker 1: and uh, the first thing I want to get into

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Speaker 1: is how damn click baity the article title is. It's

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Speaker 1: borderline inexcusable. Man. Uh, it has to be the most

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Speaker 1: click baity way you could possibly uh frame a shad?

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00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: How well, how else are you gonna make people care

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00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: about a hickory shad. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, sure,

588
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: but I mean like sure shad spend most of their

589
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: time in the salt right and only migrate to spawn.

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00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: But to frame that as as the article titled itself,

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Speaker 1: record breaking fish normally found in Atlantic Ocean caught in

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00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: Georgia River is just like, what was this doing here?

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00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: Oh well, I mean that dude, that's honest to god,

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00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: That's what drew me to thing. I was like, oh

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00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: my god, what they do like catch like a red

596
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: fish like way up somewhere, and it's an andronymous fish. Man,

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00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: that's like calling a record steelhead, record breaking fish normally

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00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: found in Pacific Ocean caught in a Washington River. I mean,

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00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: not that we're doing that anymore, but it doesn't it

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Speaker 1: just doesn't make any I thought that was funny, and

601
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: it's very funny. It's an a nadrumous fish, though not androminous.

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00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: I think that's from a sci fi movie, just like

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00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: you know, an idiot. All right, Well, you know we

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00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: all have those words man that we just can't get around.

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00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: And like, for whatever reason, my brain sees that and

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00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: goes andronymous. I know, it's an ADRUMUS. Anyway, I'm moving on.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about records. Lately. It seems like all sorts

608
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Speaker 1: of records have been broken, and this extends across the US. So,

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Speaker 1: as we mentioned in Georgia, the record had not been

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Speaker 1: beaten for thirty years, got beat, and then got beat

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00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: again within like another year or so. Um. And this

612
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: has been happening everywhere. For example, in one alone, Idaho

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Speaker 1: certified eighteen new record breaking fish. In the same year,

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00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: Montana broke seven records in North Carolina. As similar pattern

615
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: as we're seeing with the Georgia Hickory chad occurred last

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Speaker 1: year when the state record for channel cats was broken

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Speaker 1: twice in the same year. Prior to that, the North

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00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: Carolina channel cat record had stood for over half a century.

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Speaker 1: As our very own, wildly talented colleague Maggie Hill, who

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Speaker 1: I referenced in the minutes there, recently reported the mean

621
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Speaker 1: mouth that's a hybrid smallmouth large mouth world record was

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Speaker 1: bro looking for the third time in a single year

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Speaker 1: in Texas. So what's up with all the record breaking?

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Speaker 1: Man um Experts have varying theories. Some include climate change

625
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: induced warming, prolonging growing seasons for fish, resulting in obviously

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Speaker 1: more growth. I wrote that like an idiot. Another theory

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00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: is that angler awareness of potential state records has increased

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00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: in our digital age, and you keep going, but I'm

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Speaker 1: going with that one. I think that's likely with information

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Speaker 1: on state records available at angler's fingertips no matter where

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Speaker 1: they are. And another theory is that COVID just got

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Speaker 1: a lot more people actively fishing, whether that's first timers

633
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: or fishermen with more time on their hands. All of

634
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: these theories make sense, and it makes you wonder how

635
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: long the trend will continue. Now, Joe, I know you

636
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: had something to say about the state records in a

637
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: digital age. Yeah, well it's a snappy title, man, Spencer.

638
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: You can have that and and and COVID is accurate, right,

639
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: there are more people out fishing, but yeah, straight up, man, like,

640
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: I think there are more people that get off on

641
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: like posting their record, channel cat or chat like. They

642
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: are just more people that are looking to achieve those goals,

643
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: whereas I don't know, dude, I might have caught the

644
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: world record Hickory Chad nineteen times in my life, but

645
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: I don't care, Like I wouldn't even be thinking I

646
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't even look that up. And I think that's how

647
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: people used to operate. So for a state record to

648
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: fall or something, first and foremost, you had to look

649
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: at that thing and have a sense of like, holy

650
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: sh it, this is so big. I need to check

651
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: what the world record is. If I ever told you

652
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: my channel cat story, I might have even told it

653
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: on the podcast, Like long story, short man. I I

654
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: caught this huge channel cat that I thought was I

655
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: don't know, probably mid twenties something like that, like pounds,

656
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: and I asked my buddy, I said, hey, look up

657
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: with the state record channel cat is, or I think

658
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: I I mess this up. I said, look up what

659
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: the state record cat is. And my buddy, who was

660
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: not as super experienced fisherman, gave me the flathead catfish record,

661
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: not the channel cat record, and I was like, I

662
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: was like, oh, dude, not even in contention through the

663
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: thing back. Turns out that the channel cat record was

664
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: obviously significantly less. I think it's like pounds something like that,

665
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: and I don't think it would have been a state record.

666
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: I'm not saying like, oh, I definitely threw back up

667
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: state record fish, but like, at least it might have

668
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: been in contention, right, But do you lose sleep over

669
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: that not having that title? No? No, no no, no no.

670
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: But I'm saying like that, you know again pointing to

671
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: like the digital age thing, like I was able to reference.

672
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: That's right, it's exactly right. Was incredibly easy to call

673
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: that information up, no doubt, way to go, Jack. But

674
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: there are just certain but there are just certain things,

675
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: shad being one of them that like I don't know,

676
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even who can't like who it's a HiT's

677
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: no disrespect to Timmy, but like it's a Hickory shad Man. Yeah,

678
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: I mean, well you know it's like you know, it's

679
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: an extension to like lying class records and like you know,

680
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: like sicklid records. If I'm going to go through the

681
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: effort of state recording something, I want people to see

682
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: it and go, oh damn, you know what I mean,

683
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: Like you know, so it's hey, we've talked about record chase,

684
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: something that folks really care about, like snakeheads. Yes that

685
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 1: was sarcastic. Please enter your password. You have one unheard

686
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: message is Carl. So we're sending out another drone operator

687
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: with another drone, So if you could please keep an

688
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: eye on your back cast. Drones were great, mere terrible

689
00:37:49,840 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 1: and thanks man. End of message, Delete priss seven save deleted. Alright,

690
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: so let's move over from the downplaying of Phish records

691
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: to the downplaying of fishing in general. A couple of

692
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: people sent this along. It's a weird one, but it's

693
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: just too ridiculous not to share, okay, and it comes

694
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: from the u K's Guardian headline. University Warrens woke students

695
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: that Ernest Hemingway's classic novel Old Man in the Sea

696
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: contains graphic scenes of fishing now long ago, like just wait,

697
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: do you just wait? Now long ago they think about

698
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: death in the afternoon, or for whom the bell tolls.

699
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: I'm going I'm going to tell you, maybe not very specifically,

700
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: but close now long ago. I expressed my feelings about

701
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: Ernest Hemingway on this show, but today those feelings are

702
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: neither here nor there, right, I will have you know. However,

703
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 1: Old Man in the Sea is I think the only

704
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: required summer high school reading I actually read. The rest

705
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: were all cliffs notes, and yes, of course it was

706
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: because it was about fishing. But also it is extremely short, right,

707
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: is it? It? Is a very short book. Thick ass

708
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: wuthering heights in Jane are naw dog like I got

709
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: stockers to catch get time for that right. I was

710
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: in Advanced English, even though I didn't read the books. Anyway, great, anyway,

711
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: I was an English major and didn't read the books.

712
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: You can't even pronounce a nadromus, So that means what

713
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: happened in Finnegans wake me and nobody else can tell you.

714
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: So look, I do think though, on the off chance

715
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: you're not familiar with the story, here's the super cliff

716
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: notes like crazy cliff notes, what's fasting? It's a guy

717
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: who doesn't care about books or interesting films and things

718
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: that an old man heads out to sea to fish.

719
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: He catches a giant marlin. It's too big to fit

720
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: in his little rowboats, so he ties it along the side,

721
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: but then spends the next few days trying to get

722
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: back to shore as he fends off sharks trying to

723
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,479
Speaker 1: eat his marlin, and returns, as I recall, with nothing

724
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: but the head and the tail. So some say this

725
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: is the story is a metaphor for life. Others say

726
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: it's a metaphor for Christianity. But it is a classic,

727
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: right lover hate hemingway, It's a classic. But at the

728
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: University of the Highlands and Islands in Scotland, the metaphor

729
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: is apparently too violent, too disturbing for some readers. Um,

730
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: and I guess. So as not to overwhelm the school

731
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: counselors or whatever, the university put a content warning on

732
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: the book, alerting students that it contain quote graphic fishing scenes. Okay,

733
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: before we get to that, real quick, if you're the

734
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: listener already crafting an email in your head telling us

735
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: what your interpretation of the old Man in the Sea is, stop, yeah,

736
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: send that to Miles Nulty at anyway. Okay, so you

737
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: brought up what do they think about this, that or

738
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: the other thing? This is not the first book that

739
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: the university has added the content warning too. And here's

740
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: the thing. This, this determination, these warnings are are being

741
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: figured out by like their historical and literal society, right,

742
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: So it's not like one guy. Um. Others include Mary

743
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: Shelley's Frankenstein, which the content warning says contains violent murder

744
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: and cruelty, as well as Romeo and Juliet, which contains

745
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: quote uh, scenes of stabbing poison and suicide. So that

746
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: graphic content warning just kind of ruins the entire book

747
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 1: if you hadn't read it. You know what I'm saying,

748
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: Like like you just told me everything that's gonna happen,

749
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 1: like you figure out in the beginning of Well, clearly

750
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: I know exactly what's gonna happen. Anyway. A spokesman for

751
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: the university said they are doing this so students can

752
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: make informed choices. Um, And that's great, except I bet

753
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: most of the choices they make are not to take

754
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: the old man in the sea out of the library

755
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: and stay in their dorms, like watching horrible pranks going

756
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: wrong on TikTok and like people getting blown up on

757
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: the news. Right, so like we're gonna worry about old

758
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: man and see. Um. And I'm sorry, but but there's

759
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: a part like this reeks to me a little bit

760
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: of like that one kid, Like that one kid that

761
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: got all offended by something and complained because he thought

762
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: Frankenstein was gonna be like the lovable goofball he was

763
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: in Monster Squad. You know what I mean. It was

764
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: like terribly wrong. Um. Anyway, what are other very smart

765
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: people saying about the move to add graphic content warnings

766
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: to classic literature. They're saying that it is extremely dumb.

767
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: Mary Dearborn, the author of Ernest Hemingway at Biography, said

768
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: this is nonsense. Oh, I bet you she doesn't have

769
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: any I bet you she doesn't have any skin in

770
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: the game. Probably not, She says, this is nonsense. It

771
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: blows my mind to think students might be encouraged to

772
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: steer clear of the book. The world is a violent

773
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: place and it is counterproductive to pretend otherwise. Much of

774
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: the violence in this story is rooted in the natural world.

775
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: And she's right, it's it's it is the law of nature.

776
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: Now here's the here' you're gonna see trigger warnings outside

777
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: of yellow ste So here's the best part. Jeremy Black,

778
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: emeritus professor of history at the University of Exeter, added,

779
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: this is particularly stupid given the dependency of the economy

780
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: of the Highlands and Islands of Scotland on industries such

781
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: as commercial fishing and farming. So like, that's kind of

782
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: the clincher. Like one of the biggest industries in this

783
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: part of Scotland is freaking commercial fishing. In Santiago, the

784
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: main character of the book was a commercial fisherman, so

785
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: not to get off I'm trying not to get off

786
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: on a ran here, because boy could I. But I'll

787
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: just tell you, like, this is what bothers me most.

788
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: And it's not the specific incident or the graphic content

789
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: warning on one book, but I think it speaks a

790
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: little bit to the vulnerability of outdoors pursuits in the

791
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: public eye in general. Right, Like if one organization can

792
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: decide fishing is worthy of a graphic content warning, is

793
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: it reasonable to assume And I'm I'm asking this, I'm

794
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 1: not stating things like, but is it reasonable to assume

795
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: that in time like fishing, books or videos could just

796
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: be labeled to something graphic? You know what I mean?

797
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: Like if you scoff at that, has it not already

798
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: happened in hunting? You know? If enough people speak up

799
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: and say that's wrong, and I don't want to see

800
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 1: that suddenly a pastime enjoyed Bible a lot of people

801
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: can be contained on YouTube or Facebook, you know what

802
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: I mean. I just want to close by saying I

803
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: don't think that's going to happen with fishing. I don't

804
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: think so. But putting the graphic warning on old Man

805
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: in the sea means that enough people within what you'd

806
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 1: assumes an organization of smart people signed off and said, yes,

807
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: I agree with this decision. We collectively agree there should

808
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 1: be a graphic warning about the fishing in a classic

809
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: Hemingway book. I think it's something to think about. Well,

810
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: you know they're in like why. I don't know, man,

811
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: I don't have anything smart to say about this. I

812
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: wish I did. Dude, did you read The Old Man

813
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: in the Sea? Yeah? Sure, did? I think that? Um,

814
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: all right, here's where I think. Take your time if

815
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: you need to do. We can pause for a second,

816
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: cut it if you want a noodle on it. No, no,

817
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: I got it. I think that. Um. I think a

818
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: lot of time there are things that we are exposed

819
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: to in life that we don't have the tools to

820
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: deal with, um, a shocking death, some sort of trauma.

821
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: I also think that literature is a safe space to

822
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: be exposed to those traumas in like a nonconsequential wealth

823
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: put and and at least help you develop the tools

824
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: you need to navigate things you're gonna come up in life.

825
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: For instance, when I was a when I was a

826
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Speaker 1: kid in fifth grade, we read a book called The K.

827
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: Have you ever read that one? I'm not familiar with

828
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: that one. Now. It's like it's a like a it's

829
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: like a little like novella kind of deal. It's like,

830
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: I I forget if it's like one of those well

831
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: known books or I mean, I'm sure it's well known. Anyway.

832
00:45:54,360 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: The K is about a a little privileged kid who

833
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: who's I think it's like the boat that his family

834
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: is on sinks and he's left with this dude I

835
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: think Timothy is his name, and Timothy is a blackfellow.

836
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: And this is at a point in time where like

837
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: racial like tensions are like high in society, right, So,

838
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 1: like in a lot of ways as a fifth grader,

839
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: that was like one of my first exposures to like

840
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: a a long explication of like the ideas of like racism,

841
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: and like, you know, it's you understand what I totally do.

842
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: I totally do that. That was so good. I may

843
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: have to get filled to put from the arms of

844
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: the Angel under under what you just did again. I'm

845
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: just God, don't do it and just let me like

846
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: I'm letting you anyway, So what is the whole point

847
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: of kids read books at different stages throughout their life,

848
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 1: like that's part, that's part. So I will say that that,

849
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, twenty something years later, I'm still trying to

850
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: figure out what the Catcher in the Rye was about.

851
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: Like I just don't really get it, and I don't

852
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: want to get off on it. But that was one

853
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: it was like, Oh, Joey, it just kills me. Man,

854
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: it just kills me that you don't know that. It's

855
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: like all this hype, like next year we get to

856
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: read Catcher in the Rye. I'm like, I don't get it. Anyway,

857
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: We'll see what what Phil got this week. This should

858
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: be a good one from Phil based on these two

859
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: choices of story. And then after him, let's keep it salty. You.

860
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do an end of the line on a

861
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: jig that you actually might be able to catch a

862
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: Marlin on um or if not, at least a big

863
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: s tuna. You know, it's been a while and I'm

864
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 1: feeling generous today, so I think I'm gonna give the

865
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: wind to Hayden this week. Congrats. I know we're over

866
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: halfway through the show and things like this generally go

867
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: up at the top of something, but I thought I'd

868
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: go ahead an issue a trigger warning for Bent, you know,

869
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: just in case there are any discerning listeners out there

870
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: who could use it. Okay, here we go warning. The

871
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: Bent podcast contains graphic depictions of two white guys talking

872
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: behind microphones and engaging in self congratulatory mental masturbation for

873
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: about sixty minutes, give or take. Also, occasionally a guy

874
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: named Bob the garbage Man will show up, and Uh,

875
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: at that point, I don't even know what to warn

876
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 1: you about. You're on your own. All bets are off. Well,

877
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: that's not loud enough. I was twenty two years old,

878
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: fresh out of college and working at Saltwater Sportsman magazine

879
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: the first time I ever heard the words butterfly jig spoken.

880
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: This was two thousand five, and our editor, Dave di

881
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: Benedetto had just returned from a trip to the Gulf

882
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: with Shimano where he got a first hand lesson about

883
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: the jig Shamano claimed would revolutionize saltwater fishing. Now I

884
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: was intrigued, of course, but not overly so. Why Because

885
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: at that age I was still glued to striper fishing

886
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 1: in the surf. That's what I knew, and more importantly,

887
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: that's what I could afford, and I hadn't been around

888
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: long enough to make friends and contacts with boats that

889
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: could take you off shore locally and actually use a

890
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: butterfly jig. But I clearly remember Dave being impressed with

891
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: its performance. It was also the first time American saltwater

892
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: anglers were introduced to the idea of a system, a

893
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: marketing strategy Shimano would continue for years to come. So

894
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: you couldn't just buy the butterfly jig and send it

895
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: down on your favorite ugly stick paired with the Mitchell

896
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: three hundred. For the jig to work properly, they said

897
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: it needed to be paired with their rods and reels

898
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: specifically designed for butterfly jigging. At the time I scoffed

899
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: the idea to fish Laura, I had to spend hundreds

900
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: more on your rod and reel. And I wasn't the

901
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: only one that felt this way, nor was I the

902
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: only one that questioned the productivity of this whole deal. Yes,

903
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: Dave had caught some red snappers and groupers, as I recall,

904
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: but as a giant blue fin tuna or yellow fin

905
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: tuna really gonna eat that little chunk of metal, and

906
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: if it does, with that little chunk of metal be

907
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: able to hang on long enough to land it. If

908
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: you take the design it face value, you can see

909
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: why an offshore angler may have been skeptical back in

910
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 1: the day. Butterfly jigs are thin profile, heavy jigs, some

911
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: wider and some extremely thin. Whereas the metal jigs we

912
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: were familiar with prior to two thousand five featured a

913
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: single or treble hook dangling at the bottom, butterfly jigs

914
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: came with assist hooks, something US anglers were not familiar

915
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: with at all. Assist hooks are heavy gage single hooks

916
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: tied or crimp to each end of a very heavy

917
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: piece of braided line or dacron, which is then looped

918
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: onto a solid steel ring. There are several configurations of

919
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: assist hooks, but regardless of the style, that ring they're

920
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 1: tied to is attached to the heavy duty split ring

921
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: on the top of the jig, not the bottom, dangling

922
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: freely as the jig does its thing. Now, that thing

923
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 1: is sort of a walk the dog action like you'd

924
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: see from a top water spook, only it's achieved in

925
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: a completely vertical orientation by pumping and reeling simultaneously at

926
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: a fast pace, thus giving birth to the now very

927
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: common term high speed jigging. What was a revolutionary concept

928
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: here had been common in Japan for more than a

929
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: decade before butterflies hit tackle shop shells. It's no secret

930
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: that many of the lures and tackle pieces we use

931
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: routinely today were developed by the Japanese first. But in

932
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: many ways, the butterfly jig had as much to do

933
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: with catching more fish as it did simple efficiency. The

934
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: Japanese love their fish right, and they want as many

935
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: in the boat as possible, as fast as possible. Now,

936
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: if you think about a traditional metal jake like a

937
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: Hopkins or a cast Master, your line is connected directly

938
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: to one end of the loure and the hook is

939
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: connected to the bottom of the loure. Any pressure you

940
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: put on the line is pulling directly against the heavy metal,

941
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: and as the lore flops around during the fight, the

942
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 1: way to the lord itself can in fact dislodge the hook.

943
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: The Japanese figured out that assist hooks provide a better

944
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: connection from the rod directly to the hook instead of

945
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: the loure, thus reducing fish laws. They also figured out

946
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: that by reducing the weight of their rods and reels

947
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: while simultaneously making them stronger. They could actually put more

948
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: heat on the fish and land them much faster. To

949
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: do that, of course, to make that kind of tackle,

950
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: you end up creating much more expensive rods and reels,

951
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: which is why back in two thousand five so many

952
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: people said, yeah, okay, Shimano whatever. Fast forward to today,

953
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: and high speed jigging is a part of the vernacular

954
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 1: of salty anglers on every coast in the United States.

955
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, it's so yesterday's news that now Shimano

956
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: is leading the charge in the other direction with slow

957
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: pitch jigging, because if you think fast was cool, wait,

958
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: un do you see what happens when you pump the brakes.

959
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's a whole other end of the line segment.

960
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: These days, high speed butterfly jigs are produced by hundreds

961
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: of companies and price ranges to fit almost any budget.

962
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: Light jigging rods that have the backbone to beat big

963
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: tuna are found in every tackle shop from variety of

964
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 1: makers to almost fit any budget as well. Since first

965
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: here about butterfly jigs way back when I was the

966
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: saltwater sports been intern I've gotten used them a lot

967
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: for everything from golf snappers, two keys, amberjacks to Jersey tuna,

968
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 1: but I don't think I'll ever forget my first connection

969
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: with one. It was during a Bluefin run a few

970
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: years later, after Butterflies hit the scene, and the buddy

971
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: whose boat I was on and who had a lot

972
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 1: more money than me at the time, was the kind

973
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: of guy that liked to stock his sled with the

974
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: latest and greatest. So when we came over a pile

975
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: of marks, he handed me a butterfly rod and said

976
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: drop it. Now. I've never used one before, so he said,

977
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: just real fast and pump. At the same time, I

978
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: was trying to say like this, but only got out

979
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: like before. It felt like I had snagged the Titanic.

980
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: It was one of the most impressive dead stop rod

981
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: bending hits I'd ever felt, and it is a very

982
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: addicting kind of hit. It's the brown trout crumpling the

983
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: streamer on steroids. It's the bass annihilating the frog times ten.

984
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: And if you've never experienced a high speed jig hit man,

985
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: you really should. And I will now be putting high

986
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: speed jigging on my list of things to do. You know,

987
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: I I don't really think it's it's translated over to

988
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: sweetwater at least not the exact SAMEE presentation. But you

989
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: you could scale it down like I don't see why

990
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: it wouldn't work for things like lakers and pike through

991
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: the ice. The one thing about high speed is that

992
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: it is designed for fish that are not messing around.

993
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: I mean, they can't be like nippers, like they gotta

994
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: be ready to just trash the thing. It's time to

995
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,479
Speaker 1: start prototyping up some micro butterfly jigs that could Yeah,

996
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: there you go, that could be the next big thing. Man,

997
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: Just scale it down anyway. Um, that was a great

998
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 1: back story on a modern lure that has a stronghold

999
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 1: in the saltwater scene. But we're going to discuss another

1000
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: one that has kind of taken over in the bast scene.

1001
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,919
Speaker 1: Joining us on the bent Helpline today is none other

1002
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,439
Speaker 1: than the aforementioned Mike I canelli to wait has made

1003
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: fun of way In on this bait and whether it's

1004
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: knocked another classic out of favor. What do you laughing at,

1005
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: Mark Deiny? You're not an idiot, You're not a damn loony.

1006
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: How Moore, you're a fisherman ever best what's your emergency?

1007
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: So joining us today for the ben helpline? How about

1008
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: this for help? How about Mike? I canelli to help

1009
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: with the bass fishing question? What are the odds? Right? So?

1010
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: Who who is the lucky listener? That is Kyle Alston

1011
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: who sent this question in? And I gotta admit I've

1012
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: been sitting on it because, like I told Mike, I

1013
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: could kind a weigh in on this, but not nearly

1014
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: as good as as he can. I don't think you know,

1015
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna offer quite as much perspective. So Mike, how

1016
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: you doing? Man? We all, as always we appreciate you

1017
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: being here doing great, great, cool cool. So I'm very

1018
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: curious to to get your take on this. It's a

1019
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: it's a simple question, maybe with a complex answer, and

1020
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: maybe you might disagree with it. So this is what

1021
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: Kyle writes He's as growing up, I swear all my

1022
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,479
Speaker 1: dad would ever throw for bass was a spinner bait.

1023
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: Therefore I used to throw a lot of spinner baits too,

1024
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 1: he says. I try to stay up on modern bass tactics,

1025
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: and I feel like, for the most part, people just

1026
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: don't talk much about spinner baits anymore. Have they become obsolete?

1027
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: I still catch fish on them, but it seems like

1028
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: chatter baits get a lot more love. Yeah. Well, I'm

1029
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 1: gonna let you go first, because you know you're Mike.

1030
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: I can so I can tell you this, Kyle, that

1031
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: was a great question. It really is a good question.

1032
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:36,760
Speaker 1: And um, fishing trends, fishing lores. It's a lot like fashion.

1033
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: I always like to convert it to fashion. My wife

1034
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: would be happy I'm saying this right now. Things come

1035
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: in and out of style a lot. Right if you

1036
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,919
Speaker 1: look at fashion, Joe, come on, you remember where parachute pants?

1037
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: Don't you? Zoo Baz? Do you remember zoob Yeah with

1038
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: the zebra stripes. Yeah yeah, yeah, stuff is out. But

1039
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 1: whether we want admit it or not, it's gonna come

1040
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: back a style a little bit. Uh. Well, yeah, Hayden

1041
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: wears them. Now they come back. Hayden's got him on

1042
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: right now. That's but I really think the same is

1043
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: true for the spinner bait. You know, the spinner bait

1044
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: has definitely lost favor to other trending techniques. And I

1045
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: would say the chatter bait vibration jig for sure is

1046
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: something that has pushed the spinner bait out, But the

1047
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: spinner bait is so important to me, and I'm serious.

1048
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: It's always tied on one rod in my rod ocker

1049
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: at all times, and that that's I'm talking about, super dirty, muddy,

1050
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: water stained, crystal clear, fifty degree pre spawn to heat

1051
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: of the summer eighty degree water temperature. It's always tied on.

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00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: And the one thing that a spinner bait does is

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00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: it is the perfect lore for a combination of flash

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00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: and vibration together. So you know, if we were just

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00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: looking for vibration, chatter bait might be a better bait.

1056
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: If we were just looking for flash, a jerk bait

1057
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: or a spoon might be a better bait. But that

1058
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: spinner bait is the perfect combination of both of those attributes.

1059
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: And to me, it's the original Alabama ray right. It's

1060
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: when you look at that spinner bait, it looks like

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00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,479
Speaker 1: a little school of bait fish coming through the water.

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00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: You add that to the safety pin design of a

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00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: spinner bait and you could throw it anywhere. Just to

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00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: give you a real quick example that a chatter bait.

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00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: I love a chatter bait. Don't be throwing a chatter bait,

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00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: no stumps and would because you're gonna be hung up

1067
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: with that john every five seconds. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

1068
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: But the spinner bait by design, right that wire is

1069
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: it the fleck tour to the bait, and it stops

1070
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: it from getting snagged on wood, rock, even grass. Um,

1071
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: it's a terrific bait. So my answer to that is,

1072
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: don't get rid of your spinner bait anytime soon. It's

1073
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: still a really good bait. The main thing I would

1074
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: say is the blades are the most important thing on

1075
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: a spinner bait. And if you want more vibration, you

1076
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: go to a Colorado. If you want more flash, you

1077
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: go to a willow. If you want something that sits

1078
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: right in the middle, you fish in Indiana style blade

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00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: right on, right on, now'll see. I would also say,

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00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: even though I know there's some very very well made

1081
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: spinner baits out there, chatter baits aren't cheap, but you

1082
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,919
Speaker 1: can still get them like two job or spinner baits

1083
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: at the Walmart, you know what I mean. So like

1084
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: if if you if you lose a few of them,

1085
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: you don't really care. Um, dude, I I have, I

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00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: have not much more to add to that other than

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Speaker 1: I agreed with the question that I feel the same

1088
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: way like snakehead fishing and stuff. Everybody's got chatter baits,

1089
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: chatter baitch chatterbaitch chatter baits, and like nobody seems to

1090
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: be throwing a spinner bait anymore. But they're as they're

1091
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: definitely not obsolete, so that's the wrong way to to

1092
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: think of it. So just not fashionable. They're not fashionable

1093
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,919
Speaker 1: at the moment, but they're still just as good. Well

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01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Mike um Kyle, you just got your question

1095
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: answered by Mike. I can elly. If you have a

1096
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: question that you want answered, keep firing them off to

1097
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: us at Bent at the Meat Eater dot com and

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01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 1: maybe we can help you out. So that's it for

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Speaker 1: this week. Big thanks again to Ike for dropping by

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Speaker 1: with some knowledge and clarity about spinner bates. Also to

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Speaker 1: every charter guide, you are welcome for the giant no

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Speaker 1: reeling the swivel into the tip guide p s A yeah,

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01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: and if you happen to have a shot of yourself

1104
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,479
Speaker 1: just after losing a fish to a chip guide, please

1105
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: be sure to post it using the Degenerate Angler and

1106
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Speaker 1: Bent podcast hashtags. Likewise, if you've got an awkward photo,

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Speaker 1: send it to Bent at the Meat eatar dot com,

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Speaker 1: along with any Saleman items, bar nominations, questions, or news

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Speaker 1: clips you want us to read. That is right. And finally, kids,

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01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: do Dad a favor and learn the clinch not he

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01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 1: brought you into this world. It's the least you can do.

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Speaker 1: You haven't gotten a job, clean the garage, or finished

1113
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Speaker 1: your first college, I say yet, so at least, given

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Speaker 1: the satisfaction of knowing you can tie on a rooster

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Speaker 1: tail