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Speaker 1: The following podcast contains explicit descriptions of violence, including sexual violence,

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Speaker 1: that some listeners may find upsetting. Continue at your own risk.

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Speaker 1: By the end of nineteen ninety two, the murder of

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Speaker 1: Erik Kendrick, just over three months before, had become old news.

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Speaker 1: I had resumed my duties as copy editor at the

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Speaker 1: So Call Journal, which I was assured wasn't a demotion

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Speaker 1: since I had never officially been promoted to reporter anyway,

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Speaker 1: but it sher felt like one. Glenn Sherman, the journal's

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Speaker 1: star reporter, had written two follow up pieces to the

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Speaker 1: one I wrote on Vera's death. Both of them focused

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Speaker 1: on Vera's unorthodox lifestyle and honestly made it feel like

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Speaker 1: she had it coming. One even suggested she may have

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Speaker 1: committed suicide in the ocean, and that her injuries could

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Speaker 1: have been caused by her body being battered around on

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Speaker 1: the rocks. When I worked up the nerve to ask

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Speaker 1: Glenn about that angle, he took off his glasses, pinched

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Speaker 1: the bridge of hiss, sighed deeply, and said, Courtney, sometimes

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Speaker 1: you have to learn to play ball. I may have

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Speaker 1: been young and idealistic at the time, but I was

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Speaker 1: of the mind that journalism was about finding facts, not

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Speaker 1: playing ball, and my opinion hasn't changed over the years. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's just say it hasn't changed much. The ball playing

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Speaker 1: Glenn was referring to was a result of the pressure

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Speaker 1: being put on him and the journal's editor in chief

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Speaker 1: by city councilman Greg Langford, who wanted the story to

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Speaker 1: fade away as quickly as possible. They wanted to keep

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Speaker 1: the paper on his good side, and it seemed that

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Speaker 1: Vera Kendrick wasn't a hill either of them was willing

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Speaker 1: to die on, and I guess I wasn't willing to

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Speaker 1: sherman asked me if, in addition to my copy editing duties,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to shadow him. He'd been at the paper

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Speaker 1: for fifteen years and had tons of sources all through

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Speaker 1: southern California and some national contacts. I would have been

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Speaker 1: stupid to turn him down, even though I knew it

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Speaker 1: was a whole thing he and his boss decided on

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Speaker 1: to keep me close and keep me quiet, and it

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Speaker 1: worked too, to my eternal shame, I kept my mouth

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Speaker 1: shut for far too long, even as the murders kept

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Speaker 1: on coming. I'm Courtney Barnes, and this is The Murder Years,

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Speaker 1: Episode two. Pretend We're dead. Once the calendar flipped to

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, I was kept pretty busy. I helped

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Speaker 1: Glenn research and write about the inauguration of Bill Clinton

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Speaker 1: in January.

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Speaker 2: My fellow citizens, today we celebrate the mystery of American renewal.

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Speaker 1: And the month after that, I helped him with a

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Speaker 1: major story when terrorists bombed the North Tower of the

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Speaker 1: World Trade Center.

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Speaker 3: At this hour, more than five hundred rescue workers are

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Speaker 3: there on the scene of a massive underground explosion that

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Speaker 3: ripped through the World Trade Center just after noon.

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Speaker 1: Today, killing six people and injuring one thousand more. It's

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Speaker 1: weird to remember how big and scary that felt at

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Speaker 1: the time, before we knew just how bad an attack

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Speaker 1: on the Twin Towers would be. Later that year, in April,

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Speaker 1: the FBI stormed the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas

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Speaker 1: and sent it up in flames, killing seventy nine people,

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Speaker 1: including twenty one children and the Colts leader David Koresh.

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Speaker 1: I was eating lunch in Gerty's Diner when it happened.

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Speaker 1: Everyone in there was glued to the TV screen over

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Speaker 1: the counter for hours, and it was all anyone talked

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Speaker 1: about for weeks. With all that going on in the world,

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Speaker 1: and with a new tourist season just ramping up, the

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Speaker 1: death of a teenage homeless girl just didn't anymore with

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Speaker 1: pretty much anyone, myself included. I'm ashamed to say.

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Speaker 4: It's not like we were doing nothing.

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Speaker 1: That's Damon Stokes, Sheriff of Delsoul County during the Domino

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Speaker 1: Beach murders, who you met in episode one.

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Speaker 2: Council in Langford wanted us to keep it quiet, and

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Speaker 2: we did, but I was still running down every lead

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Speaker 2: I came across, like.

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Speaker 1: Stan Majors and who was Stan Majors.

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Speaker 2: Come on, Courtney, you remember Stan Majors. You can't write

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Speaker 2: it that.

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Speaker 1: It's for our listeners.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I forgot. You don't work in print.

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Speaker 1: Anymore, No one does.

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Speaker 4: Well, yes, you're right, okay, So Stan Majors.

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Speaker 2: Major waste of space is what we called them at

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Speaker 2: the Sheriff's station. Lived in a trailer park about thirty

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Speaker 1: County, middle of nowhere.

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Speaker 2: You could say that, which is what Stan Majors wanted. Well,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you wanted it, but the state

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Speaker 1: And why was that?

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Speaker 2: Because he was a registered sex offender, which is what

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Speaker 4: In regard to the death of Arrick Hendrick.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty five, Stan Majors, then twenty three years old,

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Speaker 1: According to a transcript of his interrogation by the LAPD,

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Speaker 1: he was ridiculed by his so called friends for striking

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Speaker 1: When she left, he pulled her into an alley, hit

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Speaker 1: When another man came into the alley to urinate, Majors

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Speaker 1: As it turned out, his victim was seventeen years old

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Speaker 1: and had been in the bar with a fake ID,

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Speaker 1: so Majors served every day of those six years. When

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Speaker 1: he was released from prison, he found life on the

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Speaker 1: sex offender registry kind of difficult, to say the least.

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Speaker 1: He moved to a much less populated part of the state,

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Speaker 1: got a minimum wage job as an attendant and mechanic

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Speaker 2: I didn't have anything on him, mind you, other than

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Speaker 2: his criminal history. And when you're investigating a violent sexual assault,

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Speaker 2: it's just good practice.

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Speaker 4: To check him with the local sex offender.

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Speaker 1: Well that was it, That's all you had.

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Speaker 2: Well, he didn't have an alibi for the night Vera

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Speaker 2: nights of his life. Wasn't exactly mister popularity.

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Speaker 1: You know? Did you consider him a suspect?

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Speaker 2: Not a suspect. And I had no reason to charge him,

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Speaker 4: He was a person. Event though I questioned him multiple times.

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Speaker 1: When was the first time I drove out to.

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Speaker 2: The filling station where he worked, and asked him some questions.

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Speaker 2: The afternoon VARA's body was found. He was nervous, and

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Speaker 2: you know, why shouldn't he be, even if he hadn't

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Speaker 4: Excan's get nervous around cops? You know, it's understandable.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, he answered everything I asked him. Didn't make me

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Speaker 2: a joint. A couple of weeks later, when we still

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Speaker 2: not because of any new evidence or anything. Again, he

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Speaker 2: answered every question to our satisfaction, and we had no

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Speaker 2: him if we needed him, but pursuing him any further

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Speaker 1: So in the weeks and months following Viera is murder.

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Speaker 1: How much pressure are you getting from the city council.

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Speaker 2: Through the rest of nineteen ninety two, not too much.

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Speaker 2: We were just pretty much alone to do our jobs.

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Speaker 2: But by February or so of ninety three, they didn't

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Speaker 4: It from anyone.

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Speaker 1: By they, you mean Councilman Greg Langford.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, my dad could have used his pull

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Speaker 5: to help find Vera's killer. Instead, he used it to

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Speaker 5: get everyone to shut up about it.

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Speaker 1: That's Connor Langford, whom you may remember from our last episode.

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Speaker 1: Connor was one of the surfers who found Vera Kendrick's body,

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Speaker 1: and he's also the son of city councilman Greg Langford.

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Speaker 5: I tried to get him to help. He said he

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Speaker 5: was doing everything he could, but we both knew that

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Speaker 5: was bullshit. He was doing everything he could to get

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Speaker 5: dominant beach. Just move the fuck on.

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Speaker 1: You know, when I started working under Glenn Sherman at

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Speaker 1: the Sokow Journal, one of the things he asked me

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Speaker 1: to do was attend city council meetings and take notes.

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Speaker 1: I didn't blame him for pawning that off on me.

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Speaker 1: If I could have gotten someone else to go on

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Speaker 1: my place, I would have. The meetings were usually excruciatingly dull.

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Speaker 1: There were some moments of levity or excitement provided by

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Speaker 1: citizens who would go up to the podium to demand

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Speaker 1: that books they didn't like be banned from schools, or

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Speaker 1: for bikinis to be banned from beaches, or for bars

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Speaker 1: to be forced to close by ten o'clock, that sort

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Speaker 1: of thing. But if you were to condense every council

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Speaker 1: meeting down to one line, it would have to be

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Speaker 1: how can we bring more tourists to Domino Beach and

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Speaker 1: squeeze more money out of them.

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Speaker 5: My father was angling to become mayor of Domino Beach.

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Speaker 5: What's her face? Either retired or died?

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Speaker 1: What's her face? Being Deborah Charles, the eighty five year

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Speaker 5: But even that was only a stepping stone for him.

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Speaker 5: He didn't give through fucks about Domino Beach. Once he

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Speaker 5: served his mayor, he'd run for state office, then try

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Speaker 5: to go national with the House of Representatives, and from

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Speaker 5: there he'd weasel his way into somebody's cabinet and eventually

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Speaker 5: run for president himself. And he thought I was delusional

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Speaker 5: for trying to make it with my band.

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Speaker 1: He said that laid out his political ambitions like that.

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Speaker 5: Well not in so many words.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 5: The thing about my dad was if there was a

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Speaker 5: bigger job with more power, he wanted it.

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Speaker 1: I see. So getting back to why he didn't want

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Speaker 1: to help Salvera's murder, all.

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Speaker 5: Right, Well, with him, everything was all about perception. If

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Speaker 5: he was responsible for it, it had to be motherfucking perfect.

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Speaker 5: I'm in his family, which, yeah, I'm man enough to admit.

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Speaker 5: I said to embarrass the son of a bitch every

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Speaker 1: And his town too, right, Domeno Beach had to be

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Speaker 1: the safest, cleanest, most lucrative tourist spot in California, or

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Speaker 1: what he'd consider himself a failure?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, he'd never see himself as a failure. He

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Speaker 5: never took responsibility for a goddamn thing. You Competitive, things

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Speaker 5: weren't going his way, he'd find someone to blame for it.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Langford blamed me for just about anything he could.

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Speaker 2: If he wanted something cleaned up, he'd order me to

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Speaker 2: do it, And when I'd say I needed the council

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Speaker 2: to give me more resources, he'd get over wanting to

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Speaker 2: get it cleaned up and settle for hiding it where

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Speaker 2: no one would be able to see it.

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Speaker 1: You know you're talking about Domino Beach's heroin problem.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the heroin problem.

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Speaker 1: In the early nineties, if Domino Beach was known for anything,

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Speaker 1: it was good vibes and good times. It was a

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Speaker 1: What about during the tourist season.

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Speaker 4: Well, that was different.

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Speaker 4: You know, in a way, they were just like the

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Speaker 2: From April to August was when you had a chance

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Speaker 1: In July of nineteen ninety three, I had been shadowing

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Speaker 1: So when Billy Boy Reeves was found dead in a

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Speaker 2: Billy Boy Reeves had been in Domino Beach less than

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Speaker 4: Market in our sleepy little town so decided to stay.

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Speaker 1: Awhile, what do you mean he claimed to have come

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Speaker 1: Here's what I learned about Billy Boy Reeves. He was

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Speaker 2: Prostitution goes hand in hand with illegal drugs anywhere you go.

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Speaker 2: Junkies need their fix, and getting someone off in exchange

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Speaker 2: already since April of nineteen ninety three for solicitation. Well

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Speaker 1: So Domino Beach wasn't without it, Sarah. For violent crime,

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Speaker 1: of course not. We certainly didn't have it on the

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Speaker 2: We had some fights, occasional sexual assault, although well you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean they were probably more than occasional, just underreported

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Speaker 4: It was a different time. It was wrong, and I

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Speaker 1: I'm not here about that, no.

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Speaker 2: But I could have made more of a difference. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I understand. But let's get back to Billy Boy Reeves.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So, like I said, in the six or seven

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Speaker 1: Billy Boy Reeves was found with his throat slit in

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Speaker 1: Triple Bees, as it was known to the locals, served

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Speaker 1: about three hundred sweaty mosh pitting kids. They had a

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Speaker 2: According to the autopsy, Billy Boy had been high on

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Speaker 2: We came to believe that his murderer helped him score,

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Speaker 1: But that was later. You didn't think that at first,

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Speaker 4: Well, No, like I said, Billy Boy was a troublemaker.

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Speaker 2: We'd assumed that he'd tried to get over on a

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Speaker 4: Poorly for him.

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Speaker 1: Did you investigate?

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Speaker 2: Of course we did. I talked to every junkie in

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Speaker 2: Delsol County. No one saw shit as usual. I did

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Speaker 2: get one girl to tell me Billy Boy told her

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Speaker 2: he was planning on hustling that night, but no one

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Speaker 1: So Billy Boy got swept under the ruck like Vera Hendrick.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that it wasn't the same thing no one.

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Speaker 2: No one thought those deaths were related, not.

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Speaker 1: What no one noticed at the time was the clue

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Speaker 1: Vera Hendrick. There was a lot of graffiti in the

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Speaker 1: The title of the song Pretend We're Dead. If anyone

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Speaker 1: for me. In less than a year, two people had

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that junkie kid.

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Speaker 3: Wish you barely even heard about that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I practically lived at Triple B's during the

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Speaker 1: So no one at Triple Be's talked about it, not really.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we knew a body had been found, but

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Speaker 4: It a pretty sensitive subject.

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Speaker 3: He didn't talk about it, and if anyone else did,

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Speaker 3: we just heard they found a dead junkie.

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Speaker 4: Back then. We all assumed it was an overdose.

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Speaker 3: And I guess everyone who knew better just let us

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Speaker 1: Was Connor's band playing that night the.

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Speaker 3: Night before the body was found.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and were you there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I didn't stay for the whole set. I

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Speaker 1: So I have a question.

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Speaker 5: You've asked me a lot of questions already.

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Speaker 1: This is a more sensitive question. Okay, shoot, Well maybe

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Speaker 1: it's more of an observation than a question. It is

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Speaker 5: So I mean, I'll give you Veria. I knew or

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Speaker 5: I slept with there a couple of times, and I'm

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Speaker 5: the one who found her body. But the junkie kid.

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Speaker 1: You were a Triple Bees the night before his body

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Speaker 5: So were a lot of people. Triple Bees was a

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Speaker 1: Not even I mean, like I said, I know this

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Speaker 5: Back then. I was just spoking weed, dropping acid, doing

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Speaker 4: Nothing's wrong here.

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Speaker 5: Keep sending use of your college kids and credit card numbers,

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Speaker 1: So the murder of Billy boy Reeves was seen as

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Speaker 2: What we later came to believe, once things played out

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Speaker 2: whatever it was, he wanted to try it again. So

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Speaker 2: he picked the easiest target he could find, drugged out kid.

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Speaker 4: With no family and no future.

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Speaker 2: In time, what I learned was that the murder of

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Speaker 2: Billy Boy Reeves it was practice. Billy Boy was chosen,

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Speaker 2: he was hunted. The killer made a plan and followed

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Speaker 2: it to the letter. And when he was done, he

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Speaker 2: discarded Billy Boy like he was nothing, threw him in

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Speaker 2: a dumpster, a human.

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Speaker 1: Being except to the Domino Beach killer, he wasn't a

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Speaker 1: human being. None of his victims were. Just look at

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Speaker 1: the lyrics he chose to write near the bodies. For Vera,

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Speaker 1: it was Polly wants a Cracker. Yes, the song is

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Speaker 1: from the point of view of a rapist, but that's

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Speaker 1: on the surface. Dig deeper and we see he was

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Speaker 1: trying to diminish her humanity, comparing Vera his Polly to

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Speaker 1: a parrot. And with Billy Boy Reeves, it was just

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Speaker 1: say no to individuality, as if Billy Boy wasn't an

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Speaker 1: individual at all, just something to be picked up, used

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Speaker 1: and discarded. And the killer wasn't the only one who

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Speaker 1: saw them as less than human. Two homeless teenagers found

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Speaker 1: dead and roughly eight months, within five miles of each other,

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Speaker 1: and no one seemed to care. It wasn't even as

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Speaker 1: if Councilman Langford covered things up he didn't have to.

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Speaker 1: No one wanted to believe anything was wrong in Paradise.

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Speaker 1: No one wanted to believe something like that could happen

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Speaker 1: to them or their sons and daughters. But things were

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Speaker 1: about to escalate. Sheriff Stokes was right. The murder of

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Speaker 1: Billy Boy Reeves was practice, and if the killer learned anything,

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Speaker 1: it was that he wanted to take things much, much further.

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Speaker 1: What happened next would shake Domino Beach to its very core.

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Speaker 1: The Murder Years is a production of AYR Media and iHeartMedia.

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Speaker 1: Executive producer Elisa Rosen for AYR Media. Written by Tim Huddleston,

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Speaker 1: directed by Alisa Rosen, Editing and sound designed by Tristan Bankston,

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Speaker 1: Consulting producer Jean Chandil coordinator Olive Goldberg. Audio engineering and

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Speaker 1: mastering by Justin Longerbean studio engineer Josh Hook. Original music

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Speaker 1: by Nathan Bankston. Original concept developed in partnership with Anne

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Speaker 1: Margaret Johns and Greg Spring. Executive producer for iHeartMedia, Maya Howard.

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Speaker 1: Performances for this episode by Erica Leniac as Courtney Barnes,

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Speaker 1: Tom Virtue as Sheriff Damon Stokes, Alex Salem as connor

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Speaker 1: Langford melon faxis as Maya morales