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Speaker 1: Yeah, you sound good. We'll stick around. We still got
Speaker 1: a lot more show in store for you. We're gonna
Speaker 1: circle back to that riverboat stuff for our way black
Speaker 1: history fact. We're going to talk about the name of
Speaker 1: the boat because I guess the name of that boat
Speaker 1: was taken from a boat that used to transport slaves.
Speaker 1: And we're also going to talk about that part of
Speaker 1: the Alabama Riverfront or whatever, because that used to be
Speaker 1: a slave auction. And then we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: the folding chair because we didn't get to it. Shout
Speaker 1: out to Aquamane and Uncle Wiget here you you wouldn't
Speaker 1: know if you've seen the video or whatever, but we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about that folding share and the fact that
Speaker 1: a black person is the one who pattent did the
Speaker 1: folding chair. And we're also going to talk about Jason
Speaker 1: Aldean and his song try that in a small town
Speaker 1: so stay tuned for all that. But first and foremost,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about this came from the South Africa Daily
Speaker 1: and we're talking about The Rock, the actor Duane the
Speaker 1: Rock Johnson. So I'll read. American actor Duane Johnson, best
Speaker 1: known as The Rock, took time out of his business
Speaker 1: schedule to recently surprise Demba to Goririmbo is zimbabwayan UFC
Speaker 1: fighter who had recently relocated to the United States with
Speaker 1: only seven dollars in his bank account and the aim
Speaker 1: of pursuing his dream of the coming a UFC champion.
Speaker 1: Then bug Grimbo fought against Takashi Sato in May and
Speaker 1: made his first win after falling after previously falling short
Speaker 1: against aj Fletcher. MMA News reported during an interview after
Speaker 1: the fight, he shared a devastating story about his childhood
Speaker 1: back in Zimbabwe. Quote, I've almost died when I was
Speaker 1: sixteen at the Diamond Fields. I saw heaven when I
Speaker 1: was in the fields. I've been shot at in the
Speaker 1: diamond fields. I've seen people die in front of me
Speaker 1: at the diamond fields. I smuggled diamonds when I was sixteen,
Speaker 1: he said. According to The Rock, after Garimbo won his
Speaker 1: first fight, he sold everything, including his fighting gear, on
Speaker 1: the net and made seven thousand dollars, which he donated
Speaker 1: to his village. And I saw the video. There's a
Speaker 1: video documenting this is really special and if you have
Speaker 1: a beating hearted, mi movie to tears.
Speaker 3: To get clean drinking water to his village.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he spent all his prize money from his
Speaker 1: fight to get his village some water, a clean water
Speaker 1: pump or something, and then he came to the US
Speaker 1: to try to become the champion so that you can
Speaker 1: have more money to donate. Anyway, I finished, the former
Speaker 1: WWE wrestler or decided to surprise Grimbo at a gym
Speaker 1: in South Florida where he slept since he was homeless
Speaker 1: in America with a new house. This is obviously The
Speaker 1: Rock is black and Grimbo is black as well, but
Speaker 1: black people can be allies to black people and people
Speaker 1: in Africa. Money is a big deal in Africa because
Speaker 1: there's even less of a there.
Speaker 3: Big deal everywhere, sure, and there's plenty there. They just
Speaker 3: figure out how to keep it away from us. I
Speaker 3: don't even want to start.
Speaker 1: That's a whole Listen.
Speaker 3: We haven't broached that money and resource in Africa therea.
Speaker 1: We haven't broached that subject because we try to deal
Speaker 1: with things in the United States. But listen, the geopolitical
Speaker 1: status of all the countries in Africa. Listen, We're not
Speaker 1: born to be poor, we're not born to die, We're
Speaker 1: not stupid, we're not all corrupted or not. You know,
Speaker 1: none of that stuff. There are divorces. We're directly working
Speaker 1: to help eradicate that as well. Yeah, Q especially, this
Speaker 1: is not a passive mission that we're all. We will
Speaker 1: be on the continent later this year. I give you
Speaker 1: guys up based on that. If I can convinced Ram
Speaker 1: just to go back with me, oh yeah, both of
Speaker 1: us will be there. We there. I love Africa anyway,
Speaker 1: all right, So let's talk about what solidarity looks like
Speaker 1: on the opposite side. Okay, So this one is going
Speaker 1: to be a little weird, because I think this gives
Speaker 1: insight into how cooperative folks who whose beliefs are based
Speaker 1: in hate and divisiveness. In my estimation, they probably would
Speaker 1: not call it hate and divisiveness, but I know better.
Speaker 1: They just rebranded every few years is something different, but
Speaker 1: we're calling it conserva, deep conservative conservativism, now right or
Speaker 1: far right conservativism, but it's racism, that's full stop. We're
Speaker 1: going to show how they stick together. And I want
Speaker 1: to have this in content trust to that riverboat thing,
Speaker 1: because this what we're talking about with this Jason Aldean thing,
Speaker 1: is this happens quite a bit, especially when it comes
Speaker 1: to voting. These people vote, they get together, they get organized.
Speaker 1: I think Malcolm X has a quote that I think
Speaker 1: works right here. He says, we were not out numbered,
Speaker 1: we're out organized. Right. So that's why that riverboat thing
Speaker 1: was so special for black folks because it showed a
Speaker 1: little bit of solidarity. We're going to rally around this
Speaker 1: person and support him in his time of need. Well,
Speaker 1: the opposite of that is this Jason Aldean guy. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a little bit of reading from Rolling Stone,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna tag Q in along the way just
Speaker 1: to kind of help paint a picture, because I know
Speaker 1: Q has been champing at the bit to try to
Speaker 1: get this one. That's an inside well, I guess not
Speaker 1: inside joke, because last week or two weeks ago, we're
Speaker 1: trying to figure out if it was Champion at the
Speaker 1: bit chomping at the bit. It turns out it's both.
Speaker 1: But champing is not wrong, but Cusman champing at the
Speaker 1: bit to get at this topic here. So I'll read
Speaker 1: a bit, all right, This comes from Rolling Stone. Conservative
Speaker 1: fans tried to push Jason Alden to number one. They
Speaker 1: just missed. Jung Cook and Lotto prevail after streams and
Speaker 1: sales for Try That in a Small Town skyrocketed thanks
Speaker 1: to the controversy around the song and video. Okay, let
Speaker 1: me read a bit. Conservatives hoping to drive Jason Alden's
Speaker 1: controversial Try That in a Small Town to number one
Speaker 1: on the charts following CMT's move to pull the music
Speaker 1: video fell just short on Monday. Bear in mind, we're
Speaker 1: reading this a little bit after it came out because
Speaker 1: we couldn't get to it last week, So forgive me.
Speaker 1: The timeline might not sound as accurate, and you're hearing
Speaker 1: us after we've recorded this. I'll go on as Jung
Speaker 1: Cook and Lotto's seven Rain victorious. But the controversy clearly
Speaker 1: stoked flames among MAGA circles, giving the song sales a
Speaker 1: major boost last week and propelling the song to number
Speaker 1: two on the chart. According to data service Illuminate, which
Speaker 1: powers the Billboard charts, Try That in a Small Town
Speaker 1: was garnering fewer than one thousand sales per week and
Speaker 1: hovering just shy of a million streams per week in
Speaker 1: the month prior to when al Dean released the song's
Speaker 1: music video on July fourteenth. Immediately, al Dean faced swift backlash,
Speaker 1: as everyone from fellow artists like Sheryl Crow and Jason
Speaker 1: Isbel to scholars of racial violence pointed out the parallels
Speaker 1: to white nationalist narratives in al Dean's depiction a protest
Speaker 1: as violent and lawless and his taunting refrain try that
Speaker 1: in a small town, See how far you make it
Speaker 1: down the road. CMT pulled the video within a few days,
Speaker 1: drawing a predictably furious outcry from the right wing and
Speaker 1: vows to drive the song up the charts. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to read a little bit more here, but short,
Speaker 1: this video pulled footage from the BLM protests. Now you'll
Speaker 1: hear because we have to say his side of the story,
Speaker 1: but you'll hear him say that he didn't know that
Speaker 1: it was that, and he you know whatever. I guess
Speaker 1: he didn't have permission to use the footage anyway. But
Speaker 1: those of us in the know realize that this is coded.
Speaker 1: This is like dog whistle musicianship right here, musicianship. He's
Speaker 1: making a song two for those really entitled folks and
Speaker 1: these folks that feel like America belongs to them and
Speaker 1: the flag is theirs, and that you know, Donald Trump
Speaker 1: is the second coming of Jesus Christ. It gives them
Speaker 1: a rallying cry, reason to beat their chest. Right. That's
Speaker 1: not to say that we haven't had songs to move
Speaker 1: the culture forward on our side, and by our side,
Speaker 1: I mean the more I guess liberal side of things
Speaker 1: or less conservative side of things. But this one is
Speaker 1: a little different in that this song there's connections to
Speaker 1: violence that are very realistic and very much based in
Speaker 1: a real history. And so for this Jason Alden record,
Speaker 1: when the video comes out, they're showing like a courthouse
Speaker 1: and that's where they used to do like public lynchings
Speaker 1: of black people back in the day. And you know,
Speaker 1: obviously the footage of the protests really pits Jason Alden's
Speaker 1: message of try that in a small town against the
Speaker 1: messaging of the BLM protests of twenty twenty. In other words,
Speaker 1: it's a rallying cry that is like the lyrics don't
Speaker 1: directly reference it, but when the video did, that's when
Speaker 1: it blew up, because everyone's like, okay, clear, now you
Speaker 1: can't even hide it anymore, Like we knew, but now
Speaker 1: we know no, because you're literally showing us the video.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to turn it over to Q to
Speaker 1: get his early thoughts, and then we'll get back to
Speaker 1: reading a little bit more.
Speaker 3: About I guess the most frustrating part is that their
Speaker 3: efforts did not fail. As of ten hours ago, story
Speaker 3: released by Rolling Stone stated that the song last week
Speaker 3: actually did make it to number one.
Speaker 1: Oh okay.
Speaker 3: However, what Rolling Stone also pointed out is that it
Speaker 3: was clear that that was their effort. Now once it
Speaker 3: got there, no one cared. The song dropped twenty four
Speaker 3: spots on the charts the following week. It's no longer
Speaker 3: in the top ten, Mike, as I'm looking now, it's
Speaker 3: not in the top thirty. As I'm looking now, it's
Speaker 3: not in the top forty. As I'm looking now, it's
Speaker 3: not in the top fifty. That's all it's worth. I'm
Speaker 3: looking now, it's not in the top sixty. I'm going
Speaker 3: to scroll until I find it. Well, seventy, you can
Speaker 3: talk ram this, So watch this eighty Donald Trump, ninety,
Speaker 3: go ahead. It's not in the top one hundred. I
Speaker 3: won't scroll past that because I think my point is proven.
Speaker 3: It was a troll job by people that hate, just
Speaker 3: like he intended them to get. Pretended he had no
Speaker 3: idea when there's video of protest in Atlanta in his video.
Speaker 3: So it's intentionally insultingly deceitful.
Speaker 1: So watch this.
Speaker 3: Throw the rock and hydra hand is what my people
Speaker 3: call that. Yeah, cowardice. So Donald Trump's what was that?
Speaker 3: The choir, the January sixth choir, the people that were
Speaker 3: in prison or whatever, they did a rendition of America,
Speaker 3: the Beautiful Pledge, allegiance to some some song, right, maybe
Speaker 3: the national anthem, who knows, but.
Speaker 1: It was like January. The supporters of the January sixth
Speaker 1: insurrection that it went to jail. That song ended up
Speaker 1: going to number one, not necessarily because it was quality
Speaker 1: music or it it slaps or it was you know
Speaker 1: what it was. Even this song right here, we know
Speaker 1: that it don't slap because it was getting a thousand,
Speaker 1: what was it, one thousand sales per week prior to
Speaker 1: the controversy. People weren't checking for it. It's like you said,
Speaker 1: a troll job. So these things that the January sixth choired,
Speaker 1: this sort of thing and other things are kind of
Speaker 1: an act of solidarity on that part. Their response to
Speaker 1: the I'm a huge fan of wokeness. I'd rather be
Speaker 1: woken in sleep Dog ten times out of ten for real.
Speaker 3: And I want to say this before you move on,
Speaker 3: but because I want to quote an actual source and
Speaker 3: not just myself, Rolling Stone says the song felled twenty
Speaker 3: four spots. That was earlier today. I don't see the song,
Speaker 3: but Rolling Stone does this for a living, so I'm
Speaker 3: going to lead on them, okay, but it still makes
Speaker 3: the point. Yeah, typically of song reaches number one, it'll
Speaker 3: be there for longer than a week, and if it
Speaker 3: does drop to five two, yeah, it drops to four,
Speaker 3: not twenty five.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyway, that's solidarity in that organization around And
Speaker 1: the sad part is that they it's like almost like
Speaker 1: these people know that it's hate. They know they're like,
Speaker 1: they'll call it frustration, the will call it fed up
Speaker 1: and fed up with the you know whatever.
Speaker 3: But it's hate.
Speaker 1: It's all it is, right, we know that. But they
Speaker 1: needed to be anything other than racism. That's why they
Speaker 1: don't like that word, because that means that they've lost
Speaker 1: the narrative.
Speaker 3: Right, you can't be you and they're a bad person, right,
Speaker 3: And they can't want to be perceived as bad people.
Speaker 3: They're just upset, Right, how can I best tired of
Speaker 3: being marginalized? They're just acknowledging that racism towards white people
Speaker 3: is a far worse problem than racism towards non whites
Speaker 3: in this country.
Speaker 1: You should check out our check out our show from
Speaker 1: last week.
Speaker 3: If you all they're trying to express, you want to
Speaker 3: get you specifically to understand that, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, activities like this that push uh a hateful message,
Speaker 1: that fly in the face of what is simply an
Speaker 1: affirmation that black lives have worth is on its face,
Speaker 1: insulting and hurtful, and they will adopt any possible vantage
Speaker 1: point other than that it's glaringly obvious vantage point to
Speaker 1: make their case.
Speaker 3: It's the reason why the social constructs of black and
Speaker 3: white were so brilliantly placed. Right all of you immigrants
Speaker 3: that have come here that are not from Africa, rewind
Speaker 3: that don't look like you're from Africa, whose skin isn't dark,
Speaker 3: who lack melanin, can identify as white. And once we
Speaker 3: do that, the drastic at that point, the drastic minority
Speaker 3: of people will be identified as black. So even though
Speaker 3: we're very very different. We're German, we're Irish, we're Australian.
Speaker 3: You know, we're French, we're Swiss, were Spanish or Portuguese,
Speaker 3: even we're white, all of us. And once I can
Speaker 3: get all of you to identify as white, I can
Speaker 3: then present white as superior and everything else as beneath
Speaker 3: what you was talking about here is and then the
Speaker 3: rest of your life without knowing it because it's an ideology.
Speaker 3: Now you have been indoctrinated to the idea of simple
Speaker 3: self protection, self preservation.
Speaker 1: If you will.
Speaker 3: Kind well to do people, fight, vote, sing, march, and
Speaker 3: organize to protect the social construct of white supremacy because
Speaker 3: it is drastically beneficial to them.
Speaker 1: Right now, I need to fill in a gap here, please,
Speaker 1: So if you look throughout history until about maybe the
Speaker 1: late fifteen hundreds, early sixteen hundreds, you won't notice white people.
Speaker 1: Of course, our modern interpretation of what white people is.
Speaker 1: Those people existed, but you won't find them. They're not
Speaker 1: documented anywhere any more than black people existed prior to
Speaker 1: this time. The term white people was created to delineate
Speaker 1: the non slave class from the slave class. In other words,
Speaker 1: based on your appearance, you could tell a person's status
Speaker 1: in a given society black because of the slave trade.
Speaker 1: So shout out to Great Britain, Britain, and the Spanish,
Speaker 1: and the Portuguese and the Americans. And let's not pretend
Speaker 1: like the Middle East, those those countries and there didn't
Speaker 1: have anything to do with it as well. And so
Speaker 1: this is the origin story of black people as a
Speaker 1: term and white people as a term.
Speaker 3: And even then, during your progressive movements, call those black
Speaker 3: people African Americans and everyone else just American.
Speaker 1: Mmm. Now, let me let me take that a step further.
Speaker 1: So this country has used that white supremacy at several
Speaker 1: points to let's let's say, after several points after slavery ended,
Speaker 1: to continue to benefit from the presence of black people,
Speaker 1: black bodies and to profit off of black labor. And
Speaker 1: I'm not just talking about prisons. I'm talking about land theft.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about UH a series of aggressive acts, political
Speaker 1: acts and uh fiscal acts, you know, laws enacted to
Speaker 1: uphold a system that protects white interests and doesn't consider
Speaker 1: black interests. And I'm not just talking about Jim Crow
Speaker 1: and you know, the Black Codes, and I'm not just
Speaker 1: talking about the GI Bill, and I'm not just talking
Speaker 1: about redlining. It's it's so much deepail, Like like land theft,
Speaker 1: we could we could just start there, billions and billions
Speaker 1: of dollars just just completely taken washed off of the record,
Speaker 1: and then guess who ended up with that land? Right, So,
Speaker 1: so for many years, black people have borne the brunt
Speaker 1: of a system that protects white interests. I'm not making
Speaker 1: this stuff up either. Why would I do that. I
Speaker 1: could be easily debunked. I just have happened to be
Speaker 1: able to do so much research over the past few
Speaker 1: years especially, and then now I'm condensing it into a conversation.
Speaker 1: So when we talk about this guy Jason Alden and
Speaker 1: his song, and it's very pro white supremacist messaging, dog
Speaker 1: whistle messaging, and then we see the solidarity around it.
Speaker 1: This is something that we all need to be made
Speaker 1: aware of because, as Malcolm X said often enough. His
Speaker 1: quote goes, we are not outnumbered, we are out organized,
Speaker 1: and we have to know that even though it's hate,
Speaker 1: it's very, very sophisticated hate. It's sophisticated at the polls.
Speaker 1: It's sophisticated to trick Billboard charts algorithms, right because they're
Speaker 1: not increasing the amount of radio plays. So that's clicks,
Speaker 1: that's downloads, that streams, that's everything of people saying this
Speaker 1: is the reality that I want to live in. I'm
Speaker 1: going to do this a thousand times.
Speaker 3: Rolling Stone notes the songs drop from number one to
Speaker 3: twenty one is among the biggest falls from the top
Speaker 3: one hundred in the charts history. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to finish reading this article just so
Speaker 1: I can finish painting the picture. But I have to
Speaker 1: say his piece too, just to be fair or whatever.
Speaker 1: I guess, all right, just last week alone, So again
Speaker 1: Ques reading more current from a more current source. I'm
Speaker 1: reading the source that we built this segment around, So
Speaker 1: mine is a little bit older than what Ques reading. Anyway,
Speaker 1: just last week alone, Aldin's song earned about two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty eight twenty eight thousand digital songs sales and
Speaker 1: eleven point six million streams. For reference, the song has
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty eight digital sales all time, meaning
Speaker 1: that around ninety five percent of the sales came last
Speaker 1: week after the controversy started. Fifty of its nearly twenty
Speaker 1: one million all time streams came last week as well.
Speaker 1: Aldine faced diiff competition from bds's Jung Kook, who said, uh, well,
Speaker 1: I guess we don't need to read that anymore anyway.
Speaker 1: Regardless of where a small town landed on the chart,
Speaker 1: the track has become yet another dog whistle for conservatives
Speaker 1: how about that, who have bemoaned the critiques as examples
Speaker 1: of so called cancel culture. Right wing entrepreneur and long
Speaker 1: shot presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy, whoever that say we did
Speaker 1: last one I know he is. I'm just being playing,
Speaker 1: tweeted last week that he'd be playing the song at
Speaker 1: rallies and encouraging followers to drive the song up the charts,
Speaker 1: before doing his best to change the subject to hip hop.
Speaker 1: Ramaswammy eagerly echoed the song veil threatening tone quote, it'd
Speaker 1: be a real shame if the song hits number one.
Speaker 1: Other accounts of referenced the bud Light boycott, some conservatives
Speaker 1: tries to get off the ground after the beer brand
Speaker 1: partnered with trans TikTok star Dylan mulvaney, or the campaign
Speaker 1: to boost Qanana Jason thriller Sound of Freedom all Right,
Speaker 1: now Here We Go. Aldine himself has repeatedly dismissed the backlash,
Speaker 1: denying that try That in a Small Town is a
Speaker 1: pro lynching song. He says, quote there's not a single
Speaker 1: lyric in the song that references race or points to it.
Speaker 1: He wrote on social media. Obviously the video told a
Speaker 1: much different story. But you know this is what he's
Speaker 1: hiding behind. Easy so they say, whats your chest if
Speaker 1: you mean it otherwise, don't play with people. But you know, anyway,
Speaker 1: let me finish read all right. On Friday night, Al
Speaker 1: Dean addressed a controversy during a concert in Cincinnati, seeming
Speaker 1: to applaud efforts to cash in on the song's notoriety. Quote,
Speaker 1: you guys know how it is. It's cancel culture. It's
Speaker 1: a thing. It's somehow where if people don't like what
Speaker 1: you say, they try and make sure they can cancel you,
Speaker 1: which means they try to ruin your life, ruin everything.
Speaker 1: One thing I saw this week was a bunch of
Speaker 1: country music fans that can see through a lot of
Speaker 1: the bs. All Right, I saw country music fans rally
Speaker 1: like I've never seen before, and that was pretty bad,
Speaker 1: as in good. I gotta say thank you guys so much.
Speaker 1: So this is his statement on the whole thing. Just
Speaker 1: to be fair. Obviously, we know that it can only
Speaker 1: be one of two things, what we believe it to be,
Speaker 1: which is outright racism and you know, him taking advantage
Speaker 1: of that and making music about that, which we don't
Speaker 1: believe is kind at all.
Speaker 3: Or and then there's the easy veil of just painting
Speaker 3: that not as racism but as patriotism.
Speaker 1: Or yeah that, but thinly veiled patriotism is or sorry,
Speaker 1: thinly veiled racism is.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess it's one of the same. That's what
Speaker 3: I'm trying to say. That's the part that's most terrified.
Speaker 3: So it's happened in the American flag, and it's okay.
Speaker 1: So watch this. It's either him making a song about hate,
Speaker 1: or it's him taking advantage of people who have hateful tendencies.
Speaker 1: All right, time for the Way Black History Fact. Today's
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Speaker 1: Q is going to be reading three different parts of
Speaker 1: our Way Black History Fact. We're gonna be talking about
Speaker 1: the ship Harriet, the second, which was named after a
Speaker 1: slave ship. We're going to be talking about the Alabama
Speaker 1: Riverfront slave trade. And we're talking about how a black
Speaker 1: man patented the folding chair that was famously used in
Speaker 1: the Alabama Riverfront brawl. Right floors yours?
Speaker 3: What's the word I'm looking for? The serendipity.
Speaker 1: It's funny that patent.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about that later. Literally sourcing from sports keya
Speaker 3: dot com. The Harriotship has a long standing history, as
Speaker 3: it was first launched in Liverpool in seventeen eighty six,
Speaker 3: initially sailing between Liverpool and Barbados. The ship was later
Speaker 3: captured by a French ship, but the British Navy was
Speaker 3: quick to recapture it. The Harriot was a slave ship
Speaker 3: back in the seventeen hundreds. From seventeen ninety eight to
Speaker 3: eighteen oh five it carried thousands of slaves to Barbados
Speaker 3: and then back to Liverpool. However, post it was owned
Speaker 3: by Barton and Co. And also cruise between Liverpool and Africa.
Speaker 3: It now serves as a relaxing cruise and as one
Speaker 3: of Montgomery's tourist attractions, which offers visitors dinner, dancing, live
Speaker 3: entertainment and more. The idea that a slave ship can
Speaker 3: become a tourist attraction in this country and clearly be
Speaker 3: a profitable one. It is just part of the American dream,
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: But funnily enough, all those black people jumped off of
Speaker 1: that slave ship and got busy, so you know, interesting,
Speaker 1: how true? Indeed, sometimes things come together, all right.
Speaker 3: This source from CBS News. Montgomery, Alabama, played a central
Speaker 3: role in the slave trade. In downtown Montgomery, not far
Speaker 3: from where the brawl took place, a historic marker commemorates
Speaker 3: the city's role in the transatlantic slave trade. Joshua D. Rothman,
Speaker 3: a historian and chair of the Department of History at
Speaker 3: the University of Alabama, told CNN the state played a
Speaker 3: quote substantial role in the domestic slave trade end quote.
Speaker 3: Until the Civil War in the mid eighteen hundreds, thousands
Speaker 3: of enslaved people were transported on steamboats and railroads from
Speaker 3: New Orlands up the Alabama River to Montgomery. According to
Speaker 3: the Montgomery based Equal Justice Initiatives, many of the rail
Speaker 3: routes have been constructed by slave labor. Enslaves people would
Speaker 3: arrive on Montgomery's river front or at the train station
Speaker 3: where they could be chained together and paraded down Commerce Street.
Speaker 3: That used to be like a celebratory act. There's something
Speaker 3: that inspired people, made people happy that it would rile
Speaker 3: people up. Let's march these slaves down the street, shackle
Speaker 3: together so that people can celebrate it.
Speaker 1: Cattle drive.
Speaker 3: They would later be sold in the city slave markets.
Speaker 3: By eighteen sixty, there were more than four hundred and
Speaker 3: thirty five thousand enslaved people in the state. That's in
Speaker 3: one state, according to the Equal Justice Initiative. By the
Speaker 3: start of the Civil War a year later, Montgomery was
Speaker 3: among the most prominent slave trading communities in the state,
Speaker 3: and the mid eighteen hundreds, thousand enslaved people were transported
Speaker 3: on steamboats railroads from New Orleans up Alabama River to
Speaker 3: Montgomery and Montgomery having a prominent slave trading community in
Speaker 3: the state. Quote the slavery's impact could be seen everywhere,
Speaker 3: Rothman said in an email to CNN. He added that
Speaker 3: enslave labor fueled the local economy and influenced everything from
Speaker 3: political order to religious life. If you scratch hard enough
Speaker 3: at the surface of any of those matters and many
Speaker 3: other matters today, you'll likely find the legacy of slavery
Speaker 3: living somewhere underneath facts. It was once the capital of
Speaker 3: the Confederacy. Montgomery is often called the cradle of the
Speaker 3: Confederacy because in eighteen sixty one, it briefly served as
Speaker 3: the first capital of the Confederate States of America, wow
Speaker 3: eleven states has succeeded from the Union. After Abraham Lincoln
Speaker 3: was elected President of the US in eighteen sixty Delegates
Speaker 3: from six of those states South Carolina, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia,
Speaker 3: and Louisiana convened in Montgomery in February eighteen sixty one
Speaker 3: to officially establish their own government, and May of eighteen
Speaker 3: sixty one, the Confederate government moved from Montgomery to Richmond, Virginia,
Speaker 3: which retained the capital of the Confederacy until the end
Speaker 3: of the.
Speaker 1: Civil War wasn't very long.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you kind of think this stuff was thousands of
Speaker 3: years ago, you know what I mean? Like we have
Speaker 3: generation removed, right, your parents' parents. That's it thoughtcold dot
Speaker 3: com this one is I'll continue the volding chair. On
Speaker 3: July seventh, nineteen eleven, an African American man named Nathaniel
Speaker 3: Alexander of Lynchburg, Virginia patented a volding chair. According to
Speaker 3: his patent, Nathaniel Alexander designed his chair to be used
Speaker 3: in schools, churches, and auditoriums. His design included a book
Speaker 3: rest that was usable for the person sitting in the
Speaker 3: seat behind, and was ideal for church or choir use.
Speaker 3: Patton nine nine seven one zero eight is the only
Speaker 3: invention on record for Nathaniel Alexander, but on March tenth,
Speaker 3: nineteen eleven, his application was witnessed by two people, James
Speaker 3: Rodiggs and C. A. Lindsay. Alexander's volding chair is not
Speaker 3: the first volding chair patent in the United States. His
Speaker 3: innovation was that it included a book rest, making get
Speaker 3: suitable for use in places where the back of one
Speaker 3: chair could be used as a desk or shelf by
Speaker 3: the person seated behind. This would certainly be convenient with
Speaker 3: setting up rolls of chairs required so they could rest
Speaker 3: music on the chair ahead of each singer, or for
Speaker 3: churches where a prayer book, hymnal or Bible could be
Speaker 3: placed on the reading shelf during the service. Voting chairs
Speaker 3: allow the space to be used for other purposes when
Speaker 3: there is not a class or church service. Today, many
Speaker 3: congregations meeting spaces that used to be large big box stores, supermarkets,
Speaker 3: or other large cavernous rooms. Using voting chairs set up
Speaker 3: only during services, they are able to quickly turn spaces
Speaker 3: into a church. In the early part of the twentieth century,
Speaker 3: congregations likewise might have met outdoors and warehouses, barns, or
Speaker 3: other spaces that didn't have fixed seating or pews.
Speaker 1: So again, I think that statement where it says, if
Speaker 1: you scratch hard enough at the surface of any of
Speaker 1: those matters and many others today, you'll likely find the
Speaker 1: legacy of slavery lying somewhere underneath brawl video. We didn't
Speaker 1: have to scratch very hard, and you could see a
Speaker 1: lot of history there, and that history matters. Those people
Speaker 1: still that's not thousands of years ago, like you said,
Speaker 1: it's within a couple of lifetimes. It's really easy to
Speaker 1: pass on hateful ideas about different people to the next generation.
Speaker 3: Another thing that we might have to follow up on
Speaker 3: when we get a chance. There's a I want to
Speaker 3: make sure I'm using the right word. There's some synergy,
Speaker 3: some connectiveness between areas where there are Trump rallies and an
Speaker 3: increase in anti black violence session even if it's not causality,
Speaker 3: you don't say, just something to consider and maybe that
Speaker 3: we will have a chance to talk about on the
Speaker 3: show sometime soon.
Speaker 1: Well, while we're here, I want to say that neither
Speaker 1: of us candone any violence. That's not going to be
Speaker 1: the answer. That's not how you treat your brothers and
Speaker 1: your sisters. But we do recognize that sometimes it's necessary
Speaker 1: to fight fire with fire. We are I'm definitely a pacifist.
Speaker 1: I don't believe in any of that stuff. But you know,
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Speaker 3: And we might not be experts, but we are probably
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Speaker 1: Yeah, very proactive, that's very fair. So with that in mind,
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