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Speaker 1: Hardy slipping and slide and he was like a captain
Speaker 1: Pop Pop Yang Yah. The Bills, I want to say,
Speaker 1: gave up a page pot it's a pop pop bang tonight,
Speaker 1: but I really didn't. It was it was one of
Speaker 1: those games where the Bills just kind of had to
Speaker 1: show up, and the Patriots kind of took care of
Speaker 1: the rest for them. Twenty four ten, the final from
Speaker 1: Jillette Stadium. Tonight, the Patriots lose at home to the
Speaker 1: Bills in a very unceremonious fashion. We're here, We're here
Speaker 1: for the past game show. It's a tremendous open by you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh okay, all right on the state. Uh, it's it's Hardy,
Speaker 1: it's Mike Diso and it's Paul Perillo here taking your
Speaker 1: calls eight five five, Pats five hundred. We've already got
Speaker 1: them loaded up. Your own be taking your emails to
Speaker 1: web radio at Patriots dot com. But your initial thoughts, duce,
Speaker 1: go ahead, lead us off. Yeah, you know, I thought
Speaker 1: the defense a little ugly in the start, but I
Speaker 1: thought they you know, opened the door and held the
Speaker 1: door open for a little bit there the second quarter,
Speaker 1: third quarter, gave the offense, you know, at least an
Speaker 1: opportunity to maybe get a score, to change the complexion
Speaker 1: of the game, maybe put a little pressure on the Bills.
Speaker 1: They weren't able to do that. Um, you know, I
Speaker 1: just I think that this game, it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: a perfect example of what the season has been you know,
Speaker 1: I think the defense is is Okay. I don't think
Speaker 1: that they're terrible. I think that they're solid. I don't
Speaker 1: think they're one of the best defenses in the league,
Speaker 1: but I think that they are a good defense. I
Speaker 1: just think the offense is I don't know the word
Speaker 1: to choose right now. It's a non starter this season,
Speaker 1: and it has been since the start. You got out
Speaker 1: there tonight, you had absolutely nothing. You know, you have
Speaker 1: one big play from Marcus Jones and some garbage time
Speaker 1: yards about as bad as it's been all season long
Speaker 1: for the offense, and you know, this is probably going
Speaker 1: to be what we're going to be talking about here
Speaker 1: for the next six months. Okay, So I'm not going
Speaker 1: to get into a lot of this right now, but
Speaker 1: you know, I I question even your willingness to give
Speaker 1: the defense much credit tonight. I don't think they were horrific,
Speaker 1: but there were some key moments in that game where
Speaker 1: things could have at least stayed available to you in
Speaker 1: terms of staying in this game and possibly making it close,
Speaker 1: and the defense that they let you down too, not
Speaker 1: to the extent the offense did. Yeah, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you guys are both right. Yeah, absolutely, I
Speaker 1: totally agree with you guys. Yeah, I mean they gave them.
Speaker 1: I don't think I was talking to Mike as we
Speaker 1: were walking down. I don't think the defense played as
Speaker 1: well as only allowing twenty four points will indicate. But
Speaker 1: the bottom line is they only allowed twenty four points.
Speaker 1: And I think, Mike, you had hang on something. What
Speaker 1: was your what was your your kind of double entoudra
Speaker 1: dirty key to the game, hold on and finish well.
Speaker 1: They did the hold on part. Yeah, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: always pretty, But you're right. I don't think the d
Speaker 1: and the hardy You're right too. I don't think the
Speaker 1: defense was great, but they did enough to give them
Speaker 1: a sniff of a chance. In the offense was just
Speaker 1: non existent. Part of those part of the Bills only
Speaker 1: scoring twenty four points comes in the fact that they
Speaker 1: really let it fly a couple of times. There was
Speaker 1: I think it was the last possession in the first
Speaker 1: half where they was it was the last position the
Speaker 1: Bills had in the first half where they just kind
Speaker 1: of let a couple fly that could have been both picks.
Speaker 1: Like at that point they kind of knew that they
Speaker 1: had a game in a hand. I think that they
Speaker 1: I think that they they were looking for daggers and
Speaker 1: they thought even if it gets bl yeah, well and
Speaker 1: they got a dagger and got a call back, you know,
Speaker 1: on the holding call on Tommy Sweeney. Um. But you know,
Speaker 1: like you guys are saying, yeah, I'm just looking at
Speaker 1: the stats. Now. You know nine for fifteen Buffalo was
Speaker 1: on third down. And you know what that allows you
Speaker 1: to do. It allows you to hold the ball for
Speaker 1: thirty eight oh eight. I thought it was gonna be
Speaker 1: so not only the Patriots offense couldn't do anything, it
Speaker 1: never had the ball. I thought it was gonna be
Speaker 1: worse than that. That's the first thing I looked at too.
Speaker 1: It seemed like the Bills weren't able to convert on
Speaker 1: all but three third downs tonight. I can't I can't
Speaker 1: believe there was six third downs. It was like a
Speaker 1: third and twenty that they had a holding call. And
Speaker 1: then I mean it was it was ones day. That's
Speaker 1: why I don't think the defense necessarily it was when
Speaker 1: you know, you get a very questionable offensive pass inference
Speaker 1: on digs in the first drive leads to a failed
Speaker 1: third can I just like, we don't have to talk
Speaker 1: about the defense being good, like I didn't mean to
Speaker 1: make that point. I feel like this is going off
Speaker 1: the rails of like we're gonna get an argument about
Speaker 1: the defense, Like no, I know, I don't want to
Speaker 1: talk totally the opposite we talked, you know what, I
Speaker 1: feel like we make it the way now of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, everyone thinks the defense played great. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to say that at all. And I don't
Speaker 1: think we'll get I don't think we'll get a ton
Speaker 1: of calls about that. But the bottom line is they
Speaker 1: only allowed twenty four points and they weren't the reason
Speaker 1: you lost. No, the bottom line, the reason you lost
Speaker 1: is often the bottom line is we have an hour
Speaker 1: and a half two hours to fill and if I
Speaker 1: want to create an argument with Dues and somehow invent
Speaker 1: the fact that he's you know, supporting the defense, I
Speaker 1: will do that as it means to fill the party. Party.
Speaker 1: There's your peak behind the curt. We've known each other
Speaker 1: for a good ten years now, going you know, when
Speaker 1: we met at NBC Sports Boston doing our chin wags
Speaker 1: on the late night show. Right, when have I ever
Speaker 1: been anti argument? But but you're right now I don't
Speaker 1: want to paint dues in that picture I used to.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be time arguing about stuff that like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's get in on the offense and just
Speaker 1: crush them, because that's what deserves to happen. Right now,
Speaker 1: I want to get it started here, Okay, out, Paul,
Speaker 1: you're just any any more initial thoughts before we come
Speaker 1: with you? Guys, I think you both made great points
Speaker 1: to open. All right, let's let's get a roll in here.
Speaker 1: Now it's time for the good, pretty good, prithee, prithee,
Speaker 1: pretty good, the bad, and the injured. Ah ah, you
Speaker 1: are right, guy, Good, the bad, the injured. Broad to
Speaker 1: you about the good players, the bad players, any injured players.
Speaker 1: This is going to be a mercifully short segment tonight
Speaker 1: because to fight each other over these guns, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: there'll be a handful of goods. There'll be so many
Speaker 1: bads I don't even know that we have to like
Speaker 1: mention them and then you know, we'll kind of get
Speaker 1: on with the rest of the show. So Paul, you
Speaker 1: want to lead us off. There's a gain. We got
Speaker 1: a couple of good takes. That one though, just kidd um, Okay,
Speaker 1: don't leave you. I'll leave you the one I'll go.
Speaker 1: Here's my good tonight, josh Ucha was as noticed and
Speaker 1: impactful in a game as I've seen him. Um. Yes,
Speaker 1: he was taking advantage of a backup, but that like
Speaker 1: little DeMarcus ware under move where he sort of ducks
Speaker 1: underneath and gets the edge causes a strip sack. At
Speaker 1: the end of the first half, Patriots were on life support.
Speaker 1: It's seventeen seven. The Bills are in your territory. They're
Speaker 1: at least getting a field goal there. And not only
Speaker 1: he prevents them from getting a field goal with the
Speaker 1: strip sack, but he set up an opportunity for the
Speaker 1: Patriots to get within a touchdown with a field goal
Speaker 1: there aren't. Unfortunately it didn't come to fruition. But josh
Speaker 1: u j I thought was active at other points in
Speaker 1: the game too. I thought he was given Uh was
Speaker 1: it Daniel Quessenberry. It's one of the Questenberries. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not Paul Questenberry, David, it's not not Dan Quissinberry either. Um,
Speaker 1: but I thought he was good tonight. So I had
Speaker 1: him on the good list. Okay, so he was active,
Speaker 1: Go ahead, you take him, you take him come, no, no,
Speaker 1: you take take take the guy and talk him up
Speaker 1: because he deserves it. No, Marcus Jones, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just that was a great play and that's it.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I think I tell you what it was.
Speaker 1: It was dynamic. It was it was it was the
Speaker 1: one dynamic playing offense that the Patriots gave you ten
Speaker 1: and it's been such a dearth of those this year.
Speaker 1: You just I mean, they haven't happened. And you know,
Speaker 1: to to pull away here as you're seeing Poyer. I mean,
Speaker 1: I didn't know if he was going to get the
Speaker 1: corner on him. But um, you know, of all the
Speaker 1: things that have you know, not really happened this year,
Speaker 1: failed to develop this year, Marcus Jones is one that
Speaker 1: that continues to come on. He you know, got some
Speaker 1: early time on defense. Didn't really seem like he stayed
Speaker 1: out there on defense, which I thought was maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit strange to you know, have him out there initially,
Speaker 1: and then it seemed like Jack Jones picked up more
Speaker 1: of the snaps as it went. But you know, the
Speaker 1: guy's making plays in all three phases. Now, Um, maybe
Speaker 1: that's a little overstated on defense, but um, you know,
Speaker 1: really you talk about not many. That's funny. He's made
Speaker 1: plays on offense, he's made play on special teams. He's
Speaker 1: a cornerback, hasn't got much of a chance yet. Well,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what's troubling to me, Dues, is
Speaker 1: it's not that this guy they've identified, this diamond and
Speaker 1: the rough, this planet player who has to play in
Speaker 1: all three phases. They just put him in on offense
Speaker 1: because they don't have anything else now. And so he
Speaker 1: did play some offense in college. Yeah, yeah, that's it's
Speaker 1: not completely foreign to him. But I'm what if they
Speaker 1: had a good offense, he wouldn't be playing offense. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's not that he's so good. We
Speaker 1: got to find out a way, No, we just gotta
Speaker 1: find something. But isn't it just crazy that that's like
Speaker 1: the only play that he's even been in and like
Speaker 1: he actually makes a play and meanwhile, we just it's
Speaker 1: like trying to get water out of a rock with
Speaker 1: a lot of these other guys. It was just fun
Speaker 1: to watch, and he did a leading receiver tonight two
Speaker 1: for fifty one in a touchdown. I know, well yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, well go ahead out home. Well, the my
Speaker 1: one good I got one, laughed, I got one last.
Speaker 1: Romandre Stevenson. Yeah that's I mean, that's all I got.
Speaker 1: I mean ten carries for which for fifty four yards.
Speaker 1: He had the longest sixteen, But he did. He was
Speaker 1: he was technically your leading receiver with uh six receptions
Speaker 1: for a total of a total of twenty four yards.
Speaker 1: And they're showing his fumble here like, you know, like
Speaker 1: and I'm not even putting him on there because I didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't have him on like I just think without
Speaker 1: him grinding out yards again, like, you would have had
Speaker 1: even less than what you got. I mean, you got
Speaker 1: basically just Marcus Jones and Remandre as it was. I
Speaker 1: you know, I don't even know where they would have
Speaker 1: been with Remandre not even a superstar outstanding game. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't have him on the good list. And not
Speaker 1: looking to get again to you a point, I'm not
Speaker 1: looking to get into an argument to what I'm saying
Speaker 1: he was bad because he wasn't bad. I just think
Speaker 1: that early in the game when they're trying to play
Speaker 1: conventional offense, he wasn't his fault. I'm not blaming him,
Speaker 1: but he was he was completely shut down, and you
Speaker 1: know you should the fumble could have been a huge play.
Speaker 1: He was very fortunate there. Um. The sixteen yard run
Speaker 1: came on third and eighteen, like that's even like, hey,
Speaker 1: great neat. You know, he gave us five extra yards
Speaker 1: to punt. Um. You know, again, it's not his fault.
Speaker 1: He's working behind the patchwork offensive line. He didn't have
Speaker 1: any room to run. Little yards he got tonight. He
Speaker 1: got on his own, So I'm not telling you he
Speaker 1: was bad, but you know, six catches for twenty four yards.
Speaker 1: He didn't really make anybody miss like he normally does. Tough,
Speaker 1: just a tough, tough night for offense. Yep Um, is
Speaker 1: there anything else you want to put on the good
Speaker 1: list at all? Don't feel like you have to. But
Speaker 1: you know before, the only other thing I wrote down
Speaker 1: was an individual play where it's seventeen seven. You you know,
Speaker 1: you had to score his third quarter going and you
Speaker 1: punt on fourth down and you down it at the
Speaker 1: six yard line. It's good execution by your punt unit,
Speaker 1: you know, good punt by Polardi, and I think it
Speaker 1: was Schooler that got down there and got it. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the game ended about eight minutes later, nine minutes later
Speaker 1: when the Bills went ninety four yards. But that was
Speaker 1: a good play. I'll tell you what. By the punt unit,
Speaker 1: there were some There were some nice puns tonight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that were that were I like the party. It's fine, okay, Um,
Speaker 1: we could do bads all night, but we won't. Let's
Speaker 1: just single out a few things that really really stick
Speaker 1: out that deserve special mention. Paul, is there is there
Speaker 1: one you want to lead us all? I just thought
Speaker 1: in a game that you had to be really effective offensively.
Speaker 1: You start off and I thought you were really sloppy
Speaker 1: with your ball security. Yes, third down and less third
Speaker 1: down in less than a yard. It looked like Mac
Speaker 1: Jones and Remandri Stevenson weren't on the same page. That
Speaker 1: the mesh point wasn't right. They looked like they were
Speaker 1: too far away. They fumble um and they were fortunate
Speaker 1: to get it back. I would love to know what
Speaker 1: happened on that, you know, and then the first drive
Speaker 1: and you're thinking, is that is that? Mac? Is is it?
Speaker 1: Remandre is like? What happened? What happened? I don't know
Speaker 1: whose fault it was, but I'm just sucking ball security
Speaker 1: in general. And then the play before Marcus Jones's touchdown
Speaker 1: was the Stevenson swing pass that he fumbles. Yes, and Agalore.
Speaker 1: I mean that ends up being a huge play because
Speaker 1: I think they got more yards on the fumbled than
Speaker 1: they did on the actual play. It's close, So you
Speaker 1: know that that was a big play. I just thought,
Speaker 1: And in a game where you needed to be special
Speaker 1: at offensive, will you come out and fumble the ball
Speaker 1: twice in the first quarter? Right? Right? Bad? Right? I
Speaker 1: mean it was on my bad list. It's them, it's them.
Speaker 1: This year. I was trying to say, is it cold?
Speaker 1: Is it is it something that's just that's just what
Speaker 1: it is, whether it was warm. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: sloppy right out of the gate. Big game, Hey, huge game.
Speaker 1: Gotta win divisional rivals. They kicked your ass last year.
Speaker 1: You got fumble the snap on the first If you
Speaker 1: can't do a lot on offense, if you if you
Speaker 1: are limited in what you can actually um do and
Speaker 1: you're shrinking the playbook or you're just gonna have a
Speaker 1: limited number of things that you can do. Whatever you do,
Speaker 1: you have to do clean. And that is the furthest
Speaker 1: thing from clean. Get a good look, you can see
Speaker 1: how far apart they were, Like Stevenson was too wide.
Speaker 1: I think, well, Mac didn't open up enough, Like what
Speaker 1: what day OTAs? Do you think that is handoff? Right?
Speaker 1: And that's the stuff when just work. Yeah, it just
Speaker 1: didn't look like Mac was it. If I'm watching this
Speaker 1: play without knowing anything, I'm saying Mac isn't in the right.
Speaker 1: But I think you're right at it. Footwork seemed all
Speaker 1: off on that play. But it doesn't seem like Stevenson
Speaker 1: is really looking for the ball, does it? Like I mean,
Speaker 1: it seems like he's kind of going a block, like
Speaker 1: I don't know. It could have been a run pass
Speaker 1: option and I guess he's Well, I'll tell you what, Mike,
Speaker 1: Now that you're looking at him, you're saying Stevenson wasn't
Speaker 1: really looking for I wonder if this is supposed to
Speaker 1: be a play action fast right, it looks half hearted.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it was supposed to be
Speaker 1: a handoff. But we'll never know. But you know, again,
Speaker 1: it's just do if somebody else, maybe we will know.
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll find out in the in the locker room. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and somebody will probably ask Bill and I'm sure Bill
Speaker 1: Will will tell us exactly what I'm supposed to happen
Speaker 1: on that plot to watch the film. Yeah, um yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you guys got pretty quick? I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: throw Jude On on there. I mean, it's just you know, look,
Speaker 1: this is what's happening again here we are. I hate
Speaker 1: to one QB hit. I mean, and I'm sure he's
Speaker 1: getting plenty of attention, and we'll break the film down
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, but it's just not enough. You know,
Speaker 1: you're not a bar more in there. The pass rush
Speaker 1: is going quiet again. I mean, I hate to single
Speaker 1: out Jude On because I think, you know, you probably
Speaker 1: might put more blame on, say Dietrich Wise on the
Speaker 1: other side, or you know, somebody who wasn't picking up
Speaker 1: the slack that we're getting the one on one matchups.
Speaker 1: But between Wyse Daniel Laquale, um, you know, ch did
Speaker 1: pick up a couple of sacks, but just Joote on
Speaker 1: the pass rush, they couldn't get to Josh Allen. They
Speaker 1: just cannot get there, no matter who's playing left tackle.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing we talked about. We got a
Speaker 1: semicircle around Josh Allen and we're pushing our guy, watching him.
Speaker 1: He's going through his reads and then he finds somebody open.
Speaker 1: And I mean, it happened again a handful of times. Tonight,
Speaker 1: boss man Fred Kirsch joining us with some very aggressive
Speaker 1: eyewear I had. I had to come into sguise yeah
Speaker 1: with me, because you were looking for something special tonight.
Speaker 1: Yeah you got it, Yeah you did. Are the crickets
Speaker 1: coming in later, buddy or is it just you buddy?
Speaker 1: The crickets? Are they going to be joining you? Also? Oh? Buddy, Holly,
Speaker 1: I get that. I didn't get that reference. I did.
Speaker 1: I don't listen that's from your era, I know, but
Speaker 1: I don't listen to the Hardy Music Show. That's from
Speaker 1: about the Hardy Music Show. There's no angst there. Oh um, hey,
Speaker 1: you caught us right in the middle of the bad list.
Speaker 1: I go, and I'm just listening. You know, what do
Speaker 1: you got, Hardy? I mean, just defensively, I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: you know, you can say it's chewed on, you can
Speaker 1: say it's um. Whatever plan they had didn't work, whether
Speaker 1: they were treating Alan as a passer first and not
Speaker 1: looking to contain whatever plan they had, it was evident
Speaker 1: early on that it wasn't working. You looked at that
Speaker 1: time of possession at the end of the game, and
Speaker 1: when I first took note of it, it was at
Speaker 1: the end of the fourth quarter when I believe the
Speaker 1: time was thirty one forty three versus thirteen forty six.
Speaker 1: I said, it was way out of whack until that
Speaker 1: last drive to nowhere, way out of whack to the
Speaker 1: point where defensively you needed to dial up something different
Speaker 1: much earlier on in this game. Now I don't know
Speaker 1: what it was, but to the point you made kind
Speaker 1: of from the beginning, Paul. The Bills scored twenty four points.
Speaker 1: What they did mostly was hold on to the football
Speaker 1: and stay on the field. So you know, we make
Speaker 1: a lot of noise about the offense and you know
Speaker 1: what things that they could be and should be doing differently.
Speaker 1: Going all the way back to camp, tonight was a
Speaker 1: night for the defense. Where you've got a defensive minded
Speaker 1: head coach. You've got some defensive minds who might be
Speaker 1: doing other things on this team right now coaching wise,
Speaker 1: but they're still supposed to be defensive guys. And I'm
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, that's all you could come up with,
Speaker 1: was a way to allow the other team to be
Speaker 1: out on the field almost by a factor of three
Speaker 1: times more than you through three quarters of this game.
Speaker 1: It was a bad, bad, bad job by them all around.
Speaker 1: That was I don't I don't have a more sinct
Speaker 1: or eloquent way of putting it. But defensively, a lack
Speaker 1: of effort like that, or a lack of planning like that,
Speaker 1: and a night well, let's face it, Josh Allen, he
Speaker 1: was an all world tonight. He made some he made
Speaker 1: some pretty neat plays if you're just a um, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of an empirical football fan. But he wasn't unbeatable
Speaker 1: too that You didn't get it. You didn't get the
Speaker 1: A game from the Bill's offense. No, um yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean they had their way with you up. The problem
Speaker 1: is they didn't need anywhere close to their A game
Speaker 1: because Patriots offense gave them completely right. I mean, you
Speaker 1: got up seven three and then they quickly came made
Speaker 1: it ten seven. From that point on, they would just
Speaker 1: toying with the mouse. It was the cat toying with
Speaker 1: the mouse. I agree with you, but go ahead, Paul.
Speaker 1: Well the other thing, and I talked about the ball
Speaker 1: security early on was my first bad I would also,
Speaker 1: you know, take that and go to the overall discipline
Speaker 1: that we've been talking a lot about lately, penalties, And
Speaker 1: they weren't a ton of penalties in this game, but
Speaker 1: they had five in the first seventeen minutes of the game.
Speaker 1: They had five penalties holding calls, uh passing, aference calls,
Speaker 1: the intentional grounding. They had two penalties on one play
Speaker 1: just there very fortunate to get off the goal line
Speaker 1: without a safety on that play. Um it looked like
Speaker 1: that was supposed to be something that was was a
Speaker 1: quick hitting pass play. The tackles looked like they were cutting,
Speaker 1: and then Mac is doing everything you can to get
Speaker 1: rid of the ball just outside you know, the shade
Speaker 1: of his goal line. So I just thought five penalties
Speaker 1: by the thirteen minute mark of the second quarter and
Speaker 1: capped off by the way on that drive with a
Speaker 1: delayed game on the punt, and I know that you're
Speaker 1: probably looking to see if you can draw them off side,
Speaker 1: but you can't. When you're like your fifteen yard line,
Speaker 1: you can't afford five yards there, and when you know
Speaker 1: your kicker right isn't doesn't have the kind of leg
Speaker 1: you know your punter. Every yard counts, yes, you know,
Speaker 1: six penalties, four declined as well, so ten total calls.
Speaker 1: I mean some of them you know came on just once.
Speaker 1: I mean that's as close to as safety as you
Speaker 1: can get. Yeah, and that's what the second possession of
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, I think it was the third, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean third Yeah, yeah, third one? What else he
Speaker 1: got dues? Uh? Where else? Go? Hold on? I got
Speaker 1: I got a quick catchump in for me. It was
Speaker 1: kind of a clock management thing after the turnover toward
Speaker 1: the end of the first half. A huge, huge one
Speaker 1: on my list. Absolutely, they play offensively, and you know
Speaker 1: I already mentioned the defense, but offensively, they play like
Speaker 1: they don't know now what now, what do we do?
Speaker 1: We get this gift of a turnover, you know, you
Speaker 1: make a play, it's not a gift, it's not a
Speaker 1: total A huge play by Ucha. It was a great
Speaker 1: play by Ucha. Now what are you going to do
Speaker 1: with it? You're gonna waste time. You're you're going to
Speaker 1: not play with any kind of urgency. You are going
Speaker 1: to get yourself into position where you're close to field
Speaker 1: goal range, and then you're going to burn seven seconds
Speaker 1: off a clock when you're down to I think thirty
Speaker 1: seconds anyway, and then call the time out. I'm watching it,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I don't always know there's you know, there
Speaker 1: are people who seem to have like this inherent sense
Speaker 1: of when to call the time out when not to.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that time out, time out? What are you doing?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? I watched seven seconds click off,
Speaker 1: and then they call the time out because it was
Speaker 1: a third and one, and it was kind of like
Speaker 1: everyone realized all at once, Oh, we really need this here,
Speaker 1: or hold on, let's call the time they're on how
Speaker 1: to get it? Well what happened? Because I don't know,
Speaker 1: but this was huge, Like we were all talking about
Speaker 1: it at the time live. But they ran the ball
Speaker 1: in second and one, yep, and then they thought they
Speaker 1: got the first down. They you know, and when they
Speaker 1: you know, they're expecting on second in less than a yard,
Speaker 1: they're gonna run it. They're not gonna be expecting us
Speaker 1: to run it. We're gonna get a yard, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get a first down, we're gonna run to the ball.
Speaker 1: We're gonna spike it. When you don't get the first down,
Speaker 1: you can't spike it and set up fourth down, right,
Speaker 1: And that's why, not only it was a bad play
Speaker 1: called because they didn't get any yards and the clock
Speaker 1: ran and they had a call time out. Are we done? No?
Speaker 1: I just I bumped this thing here and it doesn't
Speaker 1: like to be bumped. So not only they didn't get
Speaker 1: the first down, they had to waste of time out,
Speaker 1: and they wasted about ten seconds before they called the
Speaker 1: time out because they weren't prepared to call a time out.
Speaker 1: So it was a complete and total cluster. And I'll
Speaker 1: get the sequence right here. So they get the ball
Speaker 1: at their own forty two with a minute twenty left
Speaker 1: and two timeouts. That's an ideal situation to at least
Speaker 1: make it a one score game at the half, right,
Speaker 1: So they go Stevenson for fourteen yards. Right. Great, Now
Speaker 1: it's first and ten at Buffalo's forty four with fifty
Speaker 1: four seconds left. They go to Myers, pushed out of bounce,
Speaker 1: clock stops for nine yards. Why with a stopped clock
Speaker 1: do you decide to come out on second and one
Speaker 1: and run the ball? Go to Myers on the sideline
Speaker 1: again and see if I can get another nine. I
Speaker 1: have two timeouts, I have the whole field at my disposal.
Speaker 1: This to me was a complete and total breakdown, from
Speaker 1: play calling to operations, to mindset to execution across the board.
Speaker 1: Total fail. And I don't want to overstate one drive,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. In my dealings, a one score
Speaker 1: game at half is much better than a two score game.
Speaker 1: A field goal there would have been very valuable. So
Speaker 1: they go second and one, they get nothing with Stevenson.
Speaker 1: They have to call a timeout, and Hardy, you're right.
Speaker 1: They waited until those thirty four seconds. The play was
Speaker 1: snapped at fifty. They didn't call time out till thirty
Speaker 1: four seconds, and I'm telling you it's because they were
Speaker 1: going to spike the ball on first and ten, and
Speaker 1: then they realized it ain't first and ten. We can't
Speaker 1: spike it. So then they have to waste it by
Speaker 1: calling a quarterback sneake. It's third and one. You don't
Speaker 1: need to sneak it to what all the other teams do,
Speaker 1: and throw a sixteen yard pass on third and one.
Speaker 1: You're in plus territory and you're threatening to score, right
Speaker 1: like to me, if you you know, you burn a
Speaker 1: time out and that's what you come up. But throw
Speaker 1: a fifteen yard PA, throw a ten yard pass. If
Speaker 1: it's incomplete the quarterbacks now you're in go for it.
Speaker 1: And so of course after the quarterback sneak you have
Speaker 1: to do what call a time out. So now we're
Speaker 1: down to thirty two seconds and we're at the Buffalo
Speaker 1: thirty three yard line. No time out, and so what
Speaker 1: does that mean? So when if you have to set
Speaker 1: up for a field goal, you can't stop that. So
Speaker 1: what So what's off the table? I'm at thirty in
Speaker 1: the middle of the field. I'm at the thirty three
Speaker 1: yard line with thirty two seconds left. Touchdowns off the
Speaker 1: table unless the Bills completely fall asleep and you can't
Speaker 1: run the ball. Yeah, you can't run the ball. As
Speaker 1: Fred said, you can't go over the middle. The only
Speaker 1: way you're gonna be able to score a touchdown is
Speaker 1: if somebody on Buffalo completely has a brain fire. So
Speaker 1: so you end up with a field goal. Sorry, Hardy,
Speaker 1: it's a forty eight yard field goal and your guy
Speaker 1: can't kick those when it gets cold. His leg is tired.
Speaker 1: Fred Fred had a theory that got a tired leg
Speaker 1: because because that that's another one on a bad lip,
Speaker 1: Like I'm down on the on the whole approach tonight,
Speaker 1: but like part of this, so we have to activate
Speaker 1: Tristan Viscayno to kick off tonight, right, and he can't
Speaker 1: get it beyond the five yard line? Right? I bet
Speaker 1: Nick Folk can do that. I mean, it's Fred Fred
Speaker 1: surmise that maybe Nick Folks like's tired. So that's the
Speaker 1: end of my rant. Maybe he has tired blood. He
Speaker 1: needs jaritol. It cures tired blood. Um, just two quick things.
Speaker 1: It was that it was excellent, It was excellent. I
Speaker 1: think there's some issues with some in game awareness up
Speaker 1: and down the roster and the coaching staff right now.
Speaker 1: Violent agreement. And let's also not forget the reason why
Speaker 1: they're in that position in the first place. Is is
Speaker 1: twofold number one? Great play to get the ball back.
Speaker 1: But what happened on the Patriots possession before that? You
Speaker 1: went three and out, burned about forty five seconds off
Speaker 1: the clock and gave the ball back to the Bills
Speaker 1: with two minutes and three seconds and all their time outs. Correct,
Speaker 1: you were very lucky, this is what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: that was the point where they were just kind of
Speaker 1: chucking a little bit. And oh, by the way, and oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, two you know, two plays before the
Speaker 1: strip stacked by uj was a fifty yard touchdown was
Speaker 1: called back and it was a good call. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it was a fluke, but I got news for you,
Speaker 1: Josh Allen didn't need that hold. Tommy Sweeney held Matt
Speaker 1: jude On in that plate. Unquestionably he didn't need it.
Speaker 1: He was rolling out around him and he was throwing
Speaker 1: that pass. Whether Sweeney held jude On or not. So
Speaker 1: so it could have been twenty four to seven to
Speaker 1: you a point hardy because they didn't do anything offensively.
Speaker 1: As bad as that sequence was, and the way you
Speaker 1: broke it down was brilliant, Paul. Let's not forget about
Speaker 1: the possession the Patriots had before that, where they it
Speaker 1: was a quick three and out burned almost no time,
Speaker 1: gave the ball back to the Bills with just over
Speaker 1: two minutes. They play off before the two minute warning,
Speaker 1: and you're you were fortunate to get the ball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that series was started at the Patriots fifteen incomplete
Speaker 1: to Stevenson screened to Marcus Jones for three yards incomplete
Speaker 1: to Myers punt right. So the Bills ended up getting
Speaker 1: the ball back at their forty three. This is why
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like again, you look at the end of
Speaker 1: the day and you say, wow, Patriot's defense wasn't that bad.
Speaker 1: You know, there was a lot of good fortune for
Speaker 1: the Patriots defense. Yeah, And like we said, the Bills
Speaker 1: let up, oh at the end, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day of the third quarter. By since from the
Speaker 1: end of the third quarter, they they were not intentional
Speaker 1: about scoring. They were just intentional. But have you ever
Speaker 1: seen that line up with the like the extra linemen
Speaker 1: and just say we're just gonna grind it out here.
Speaker 1: And it works because they ran the ball. Yeah, thank god,
Speaker 1: because it kept the clock running and we got under
Speaker 1: three hours tonight, Freddie you know, but I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like you can't help, but wonder, you know, would
Speaker 1: if you had scored, if you had put the pressure
Speaker 1: on the Bills a little bit? You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that they would have made mistakes in them, but
Speaker 1: you never even pressure if your offensive given the defense
Speaker 1: some hope, maybe they you know, who knows. But but
Speaker 1: the Bills, there was nothing threatening about the Patriots tonight,
Speaker 1: you know. And yeah, and that's and that and and
Speaker 1: Paul had they had to bring a guy out off
Speaker 1: the defense to score touchdown. You know, it's like, I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm struggling. Its great, but you know, what are
Speaker 1: we doing seventeen ten at the half? Is? It just
Speaker 1: feels different? And I don't know, I don't know that
Speaker 1: you'll hold the Bills scoreless in the third quarter. Maybe
Speaker 1: they change their mindset a little bit and and become
Speaker 1: a little more aggressive. But but to Mike's point, make
Speaker 1: them do that, make them, make them happen. They never
Speaker 1: put any game pressure on them. Don't make us sit
Speaker 1: here in question as to whether or not they would
Speaker 1: have changed their approach a little bit. Just right, get it,
Speaker 1: get it into a makeable range for a guy with
Speaker 1: a tired leg. Yeah, it's true. Telling Um, I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm having trouble getting down to individuals on this bad
Speaker 1: list because I don't have I don't really have any
Speaker 1: I'm just I think the thing that I'm most upset
Speaker 1: with is the coaching decision to point the offense in
Speaker 1: this direction starting back in the summer, and it has
Speaker 1: failed origins. It's failed, you know, like I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't know how ansen no progression, there's no reason to
Speaker 1: have any confidence in any of this going forward for
Speaker 1: the rest of the season, much less going into next season.
Speaker 1: So like, that's where I'm at right now. I'm just
Speaker 1: frustrated that this this, this has been a disaster and
Speaker 1: there can tinuing to make the same mistakes. They can't
Speaker 1: string to drive together yet, And you know, how much
Speaker 1: more proof do you need? This is what it is.
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding when I really do have thousands of
Speaker 1: people that around this blog, and you know, hundreds of
Speaker 1: them send comments, so I'm here, I'm hearing now, I'm
Speaker 1: hearing from hundreds of fans during the game, and there
Speaker 1: was a common theme what are the Crafts thing? What
Speaker 1: are the Crafts gonna do? What are they thinking they
Speaker 1: gotta do something? Their name was mentioned in this game
Speaker 1: more than any other game I've remember in recent memory,
Speaker 1: Like what are the Crafts thinking about this? That's that
Speaker 1: was a common theme on the blog tonight. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean you heard it all offseason of you know,
Speaker 1: anybody who is you know, critical of the Patriots, and
Speaker 1: rightly so. But everything that those people who crushed them
Speaker 1: about this, Matt Patricia Heart, they were completely right, like
Speaker 1: this was completely the wrong decision. They can't string an
Speaker 1: offense together. I mean we're in December now, like, so
Speaker 1: I think something major has to change going into the
Speaker 1: next offseason. I don't know how. And you know, we're
Speaker 1: talking about like Odell Beckham, like I can't even get
Speaker 1: like you know, and you can and you can. They
Speaker 1: had Connor McDermott playing all right, but other teams get
Speaker 1: decimated offensive lines. Here the team had something named Quest
Speaker 1: playing on one one one leg. But they figure out
Speaker 1: like how to muster something that resembles an NFL offense.
Speaker 1: We we're having trouble doing that. Like I said, we
Speaker 1: had to pull a guy from defense to score a
Speaker 1: touchdown tonight. Otherwise, another game where you got three points seven?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no three, you're right, yeah three. Um, so
Speaker 1: I have another little not quite as detailed of a rants.
Speaker 1: But there was a juncture at the to the middle
Speaker 1: to the end of the third quarter, right, so it's
Speaker 1: still seventeen seven, and it was the drive that. Um
Speaker 1: you had a couple of runs by Stevenson that they
Speaker 1: really didn't block very well, and he just like one
Speaker 1: of them, he went into the pile for like a
Speaker 1: yard and all the linemen pushed him for like eleven
Speaker 1: at eleven, you know, and then he broke a tackle.
Speaker 1: You got hit by two guys in the backfield, and
Speaker 1: sudden how he scored a loose So just real quick,
Speaker 1: it was Stevenson right tackle for seven, Stevenson for six,
Speaker 1: plus a penalty on the bills for defensive holding. So
Speaker 1: you know, it's like a thirteen yard play Stevenson for eleven.
Speaker 1: That was the play. The whole offensive line pushed him
Speaker 1: ten yards, so it kind of looks like, oh, we
Speaker 1: got to going here on the ground. But if you
Speaker 1: saw the plays, they didn't have it going on the ground.
Speaker 1: It was all Stevenson and it was all sort of
Speaker 1: yards after content, the whole team picking them up and
Speaker 1: carrying them. So now it's first and ten, Buffalo forty
Speaker 1: five with nine twenty eight left in the third quarter.
Speaker 1: Mac Jones is under center, and I'm looking and I
Speaker 1: got my buddy even next to me, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: here's your hard play action, ev there it comes here
Speaker 1: it comes. Nope, hand off to Stevenson, four yard loss.
Speaker 1: Like right, I don't want to make too much of
Speaker 1: a like an individual play call. I think play calling
Speaker 1: in general is largely overrated. I'm glad was a time
Speaker 1: I'm glad to take a shot. I'm glad you said that, Paul.
Speaker 1: It's like and I was thinking to myself the phrase
Speaker 1: I use you went to the well one too many
Speaker 1: times here, you know, hey, so here's where he get
Speaker 1: up take get get the ball in the air. And
Speaker 1: you might say, well, it was one play, like a
Speaker 1: good okay, So on the next play your patchwork offensive
Speaker 1: line Fred's talking about like Connor McDermott, which Mac was
Speaker 1: under siege all night. He only got sacked once, but
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how that's sixty yards rushing
Speaker 1: sideways right behind. Mac did a really good job of
Speaker 1: avoiding a lot of sacks tonight. But on the next
Speaker 1: play he gets completely blitz creaked and it has to leave.
Speaker 1: The pocket, rolls out and throws a pick to Jordan
Speaker 1: Poyer and Fred what was it? They ended up overturning it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, terrible call, right, It's the same as the
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry. Well, the Henry call was worse because he
Speaker 1: you know, and he broke I'm sorry, but this this
Speaker 1: was the same thing. It's like it was a catch,
Speaker 1: you know, right, Think it was the same thing. I
Speaker 1: thought Hunter Henry's was a touch. And see I'm very consistent.
Speaker 1: Fred's very consistent, like catches catches a catch, you know what,
Speaker 1: when you see it, the guy has two hands, he
Speaker 1: hasn't secured their two feet down. He's made a football move.
Speaker 1: He made it. I don't know when they decided to
Speaker 1: just put that phrase survived the ground back in the
Speaker 1: rule book, but they did. He made he made a
Speaker 1: football move to get two feet and ground ground. That is,
Speaker 1: by definition a football move, right, I think he got three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's now his knees down. And then I gotta
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I don't think I don't even
Speaker 1: think it's And watched this, I don't think they're all
Speaker 1: ever even hit the ground. No, it just seemed like
Speaker 1: it moved a little bit. The first foot is down,
Speaker 1: watched their second. Then he he gets three down. It's
Speaker 1: a catch in every sense of the words. So anyway, believable.
Speaker 1: So now it's third. Now it's third and fourteen, and
Speaker 1: they throw a short little pass over the middle to
Speaker 1: Kobe Myers, and I'm thinking, I'm gonna go for it
Speaker 1: a fourth down, right, Like if you're throwing the ball
Speaker 1: that far short of the sticks you're gonna go for
Speaker 1: a fourth down. Nope, they punt, and I pointed out
Speaker 1: that that was the one really well executed punt of
Speaker 1: the night, at thirty eight yard punt. You down it
Speaker 1: at the six. Here we go, see if Josh Allen
Speaker 1: will throw one to us. He almost threw one to
Speaker 1: us in the first half. Let's see if he throws
Speaker 1: one to us. Fifteen plays, ninety four yards, eight minutes,
Speaker 1: fifty five seconds, game set match. So that's why I
Speaker 1: can't like tell you like the defense. The offense was
Speaker 1: far more responsible for this loss than the defense. But
Speaker 1: all right, I mean, you know, part of it is
Speaker 1: frustration because I think the four of us would all
Speaker 1: admit the other team is better than us. Yeah, oh yeah, right, yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't even think they played well all
Speaker 1: that well tonight. I mean they didn't have I continue
Speaker 1: to be amazed by the quarterback connection with guys like
Speaker 1: Jefferson and Diggs. Where I mean I said it tonight,
Speaker 1: watch out for Diggs on this. You can't stop it.
Speaker 1: You know where it's going him. I know he's going
Speaker 1: to him. I got very pouty after a while. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a thing, but you know, it's just it's
Speaker 1: it's remarkable that, you know, even a guy like that
Speaker 1: who's that good, they still find a way to make
Speaker 1: it consistently. So not that I think Buffalo played bad
Speaker 1: because they didn't, but I'm just saying, like, you didn't
Speaker 1: really get the right they had at least four drops.
Speaker 1: At least four drop would you would you be worried?
Speaker 1: But watching the Patriots offense and one of the punts,
Speaker 1: I think the first punt that elicited the Bronx cheer
Speaker 1: was a throw that hit Digs right right in the floor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he just dropped it like down. You never see that. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: there's there's something that has kind of taken over Twitter
Speaker 1: right now. And I first saw it from our well
Speaker 1: it's it's coming at me from a few different sources.
Speaker 1: And now the Mats have picked up on this too.
Speaker 1: It's it's a sideline camera of Mac Jones come and
Speaker 1: do uh off the field, and Sports Illustrated has retweeted
Speaker 1: it now with their own God close Caps throw the
Speaker 1: FFing ball, FFing running game sucks. So he's yelling, you know,
Speaker 1: toward you know, the play callers, toward Patricia conceivably or
Speaker 1: something you know somewhere in the direction of you know what,
Speaker 1: shut up because the passing game sucks too. You know,
Speaker 1: shut up, Mac. This is twice, you know, don't don't,
Speaker 1: don't do that. Don't separate yourself from the mess, because
Speaker 1: you're part of it. This is twice this week. I
Speaker 1: am that's that's Ladanian Tomlinson act to me. You know
Speaker 1: where things aren't going bad, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: I've got the answer. You know, I'm not really part
Speaker 1: of the problem. Yeah, don't, don't, don't start, but I would.
Speaker 1: But I gotta say I would rather them throw the
Speaker 1: ball for incompletions than to take more of those four
Speaker 1: yard losses than negative plays are enough. Ye do it
Speaker 1: quietly with your OC or your head head coach. Don't
Speaker 1: start yelling that. As bad as the running game tonight,
Speaker 1: I know. And he wasn't sharp at all. He had
Speaker 1: a lot of arant throws, would say, of all the people,
Speaker 1: Taekwon Thornton had two catches on two badly thrown balls. Right,
Speaker 1: don't get but I thought he had. I thought he
Speaker 1: had Myers on a pass over the middle that he
Speaker 1: overshot him. I thought he overshot m Parker on a
Speaker 1: play the one on the sideline that he I think
Speaker 1: he drifted Parker too far out of bounds. He landed
Speaker 1: out of bounds. I don't think Mac was very good tonight.
Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't put him on the bad list
Speaker 1: per se, because I do think he was under a Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a medic amount of pressure. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: don't think he was very good. But this isn't the
Speaker 1: game to be saying our passing attack is no and
Speaker 1: then to save us, you know, and this is one
Speaker 1: of those games where it starts to go bad and
Speaker 1: you know people are turning. That's what happens. And you
Speaker 1: can't be the guy turning it, right, um, you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta be the guy keeping it from turning. Can
Speaker 1: I ask just a quick rules clarification here, because there's
Speaker 1: also some people getting on Michael Winner tonight. Um. For
Speaker 1: one play in particular, the player Mac is out there
Speaker 1: running for his life. He must be, you know, covered
Speaker 1: fifty yards and talking, circling around and at one point
Speaker 1: one who is standing there and watching he's kind of
Speaker 1: watching him run behind him and there is there's a
Speaker 1: defender chasing him, chasing him down, and when who just
Speaker 1: kind of lets him go trump. Brown was kind of
Speaker 1: doing that too on that play. I don't I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a hard play though, because you
Speaker 1: don't want me. Would he have been blocking him going
Speaker 1: the wrong excuse me, the wrong way? And I believe
Speaker 1: that is a penalty. Yes, I would have to see
Speaker 1: can't turn his back essentially down field, which he would
Speaker 1: have needed to do almost. Yeah, you can't hit a
Speaker 1: guy facing your goal line. That was essentially what he
Speaker 1: would have had to do. It would have been closed,
Speaker 1: it would have been on. It would have been hard
Speaker 1: to do. But but look, it wasn't a great look
Speaker 1: for anything offensively tonight, but especially when when when your
Speaker 1: quarterback is running for his life and he was kind
Speaker 1: of standing still. Yeah, well said he had tired, Like
Speaker 1: I mean, I've said to Paul coming down him like
Speaker 1: that play sums up this season for the offense. For me,
Speaker 1: Mac just like running around like crazy. People are just
Speaker 1: kind of standing around watching him. Nobody's open and he's
Speaker 1: like losing his mind. Uh. Just I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: it sucks that all these things are coming out now
Speaker 1: at the end, because I don't really don't need any
Speaker 1: cherry on top of this. We're gonna be doing all Sunday,
Speaker 1: We're gonna be doing a lot more bad. We can
Speaker 1: sprinkle them out, but let's take care of the injured
Speaker 1: real quick and we'll get to our phone calls here.
Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers took that that tough hit hand zone. He
Speaker 1: was evaluated for a head injury, so that's something tomorrow.
Speaker 1: It seems like he's but he's just been getting beat up. Man.
Speaker 1: Seeing David David Andrews back out there tonight, you know,
Speaker 1: and didn't you know, appear to be I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's so tough to tell. I mean, the rest of
Speaker 1: the offensive line is just, you know, a patchwork right now.
Speaker 1: But in the fact that Andrews was playing and didn't
Speaker 1: seem yeah, I don't think it's snaps were limited, you
Speaker 1: know out there. I mean, you say it's a patchwork,
Speaker 1: but really it was only one guy out right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. It was just Connor McDermott. It was the
Speaker 1: same as their situation the offensive line. Basically, it was bad.
Speaker 1: All right. We do need to step side briefly here
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Speaker 1: thanks for holding and welcome into the post game show. Patriots,
Speaker 1: of course lose this one tonight to the bills that
Speaker 1: you're let staydium, I don't know what you're laughing about.
Speaker 1: Twenty four ten to final what do you got a Christian?
Speaker 1: You know I'm laughing because first of all, hey, welcome, welcome,
Speaker 1: g I think it's taking my call tough my tough season.
Speaker 1: And I'm laughing because it's you know, it's apparent to
Speaker 1: me that I'm going to have to say something that
Speaker 1: I haven't said or felt in about twenty years, right,
Speaker 1: and that's that we are a bad team from top
Speaker 1: to bottom, from coaching to execution. We're a bad team.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't feel good right now to be a
Speaker 1: Patriots fan. And this is what it looks like when
Speaker 1: you don't have an offersive coordinat that knows what you're doing,
Speaker 1: a guy that can evaluate with some skill and some experience,
Speaker 1: the talent that you have on your team, individual player talent,
Speaker 1: find innovative, creative ways to get those guys the ball
Speaker 1: in space. In the modern game, this is what the
Speaker 1: offense looks like when that's your situation and that's style situation.
Speaker 1: You know, it's almost it's almost to me at the
Speaker 1: point where you have to say, but the seasons sort
Speaker 1: of over right, I see two or three losses ahead
Speaker 1: of us, and even if we miraculously make the playoffs,
Speaker 1: even if we did well in the playoffs, somehow we
Speaker 1: are so far away from beating this team guys that
Speaker 1: we would have to meet them and face them in
Speaker 1: the playoffs anyway, and you almost want to go, let's
Speaker 1: start looking at some of the younger guys and seeing
Speaker 1: what we had and making a plan for next year.
Speaker 1: What do you guys agree with me at all? I
Speaker 1: do agree with you. I wish there were more young
Speaker 1: players to look at. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I say,
Speaker 1: I get the frustration. I can hear it in your voice, Christian,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't think it's a bad team. The team.
Speaker 1: I think it's an average team. But you're just in,
Speaker 1: You're just in the mix. You're just in the media.
Speaker 1: You're not even anyone have given my blood and tis
Speaker 1: on other feat to this, okay, and you see us grow,
Speaker 1: and you see it's become this dynasty, that that rival execution,
Speaker 1: that thrives on on on mental toughness, that risal, all
Speaker 1: these things are that are the fundamentals of football. And
Speaker 1: you have one main player lead and to see all
Speaker 1: sort of giving we break down. Okay, it's more than frustrating.
Speaker 1: Its disheartening as a Patriot, diehard, as a Patriots fan.
Speaker 1: And you want to start asking some of the big questions.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, thank you, Christian. I know you're
Speaker 1: trying to get him out. I've given my blood sweating,
Speaker 1: I mean, grow on. Oh um, this is a very
Speaker 1: interesting quote. This is you know the stuff I you know, Fred,
Speaker 1: I told Mike and I told Evan. Do you remember
Speaker 1: on Wednesday I told you about that Tim Hasselbeck comment
Speaker 1: that he made on ESPN. Did you get to hear it?
Speaker 1: So I heard. I heard him in context, and it
Speaker 1: wasn't about people wanting Zappy to play. It was people
Speaker 1: still harboring some resent resentment from the way the Zappy
Speaker 1: situation unfolded. In other words, that Bill wouldn't just say
Speaker 1: Mac Jones is the starter when he was hurt. When
Speaker 1: he's back healthy, he'll be the starter, sort of let
Speaker 1: him twist in the wind and the inference there. And
Speaker 1: Hasselbeck did not use all these words. He just said
Speaker 1: there's still some lingering fallout from the Zappy situation in
Speaker 1: the locker room he said, or not with the team.
Speaker 1: He said, with Mac Jones and with the team. I
Speaker 1: think that was the words he used. And I think
Speaker 1: that what he's talking about is like Jacoby Myers, who
Speaker 1: was outspoken after the Chicago game, didn't like the way
Speaker 1: the whole thing unfolded. This isn't. Can't you see this? Well,
Speaker 1: definitely Mac Jones, I mean, but felgern Mas surmised that
Speaker 1: there's a gang of five. It's Mac Jones, Kendrick Bourne, Kobeys,
Speaker 1: David Andrews, and Hunter Henry. This is a comment. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at Andrew Callahan's twitter. Do you see this? I'm
Speaker 1: seeing it. This is a fascinating quote. Kendrick Boyne. Do
Speaker 1: the Patriots need to play different on third down? Kendrick
Speaker 1: boy quote, Yeah, man, we need to scheme up better.
Speaker 1: We need to know what they're doing. We need to
Speaker 1: know what they want to do on third down. They
Speaker 1: call this, and we call that, and it falls right
Speaker 1: into what they want. These like, if you want to
Speaker 1: be if you want to be frustrated with the way
Speaker 1: the direction that the team is going, that's a very
Speaker 1: frustrating comment to hear out of you a locker room
Speaker 1: after a loss. To Fred's point, you can't say, well,
Speaker 1: the running games to bleep and not take any responsibility
Speaker 1: for the passing game. This is, you know, don't throw
Speaker 1: it all on the coaches. You know you're a team.
Speaker 1: Don't throw it all on the coach. Yeah, we got
Speaker 1: to execute better. Is the answer to that question in
Speaker 1: the locker room. So I think there's something to that
Speaker 1: hassleback thing. I think there's some resentment in the locker room.
Speaker 1: I think there's been a lack of faith overall in
Speaker 1: the plan from the start from Mac Jones, and I
Speaker 1: think that's per permeating through some of the members of
Speaker 1: the offense. And I think that's part of the problem.
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you it's the problem. I think it's
Speaker 1: part of the I've been a little skeptical of that stuff,
Speaker 1: but I believe it. You're starting to see this come
Speaker 1: out now. And as you know, we talked last year
Speaker 1: about Matthew Slayer saying we're at a turning point. I
Speaker 1: don't think that was a real turning point. I think
Speaker 1: right now is a real turning point for this team
Speaker 1: because based on things that are coming out. And I
Speaker 1: should mention that some people are pushing back on what
Speaker 1: Mac actually said on that video. I haven't listened to it.
Speaker 1: I'm not as concerned about what matt said slight heat
Speaker 1: of the moment. I just want to you know, some
Speaker 1: people are at me. I can't listen to it right now.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but you know, just regardless.
Speaker 1: I mean, these things that are happening right now, this
Speaker 1: is not good. And I mean, coming into this game,
Speaker 1: you knew it was kind of a must win, but
Speaker 1: like I didn't see it as so much as a
Speaker 1: must win to make the playoffs. It's just felt like
Speaker 1: a must win for the psyche of the team. And
Speaker 1: I think what you're seeing right now, or at least
Speaker 1: a play well like you, like you Austin Minnesota, but offensively,
Speaker 1: I think there were a lot of reasons to be optimistic.
Speaker 1: You move the ball at will, you put some points
Speaker 1: on the board, and you looked like a representative offense.
Speaker 1: Tonight it was right back to the Jets and Colts.
Speaker 1: You looked like you did against the Jets and Colts tonight.
Speaker 1: Right you couldn't move the ball, and like if if
Speaker 1: mac Jones didn't say that, I don't care. I watched
Speaker 1: him on the field on third time when they fumbled,
Speaker 1: he banged his thigh like a spoiled brat, like he
Speaker 1: is at times when things aren't going well. And there
Speaker 1: was another point, frustrated came off the field. I think
Speaker 1: it was like fourth and six or seven or whatever.
Speaker 1: It was a punt situation and he came off the
Speaker 1: field like throw it, throw it, like he wanted to
Speaker 1: go for it. It's like Mac, settle down. You know what?
Speaker 1: What what gives your coaches any faith that you're going
Speaker 1: to convert that? Okay? I know I want to counter
Speaker 1: that though, Okay, I am not killing Mac heat of
Speaker 1: the moment on the field, like if he whether he
Speaker 1: said running it or not, or the run game spinks
Speaker 1: or not. Whatever. I don't think the coaches coached the
Speaker 1: second half to win. I think the coaches coach the
Speaker 1: second half to stay close. And I hate that. I
Speaker 1: hate it that fourth thound play you're on plus territory.
Speaker 1: It was like fourth and seven, fourth and five goal
Speaker 1: for that? Why not? I mean, especially when you're not
Speaker 1: gonna use your timeouts at the end and you're just
Speaker 1: gonna con and then fold it the end with one
Speaker 1: left and you know you're down to score. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: hold that against him, But I'm just if that to
Speaker 1: me is not playing. But they kicking a field goal
Speaker 1: on you know, down seventeen points, like you are you
Speaker 1: trying to just stay close? No? But I I agree
Speaker 1: with you, Paul. But what I what I don't like
Speaker 1: is Mac hasn't earned the right to start yelling at coaches. Oh, absolutely,
Speaker 1: you're right about that. What has he done to show
Speaker 1: coaches that this is a guy that we go with
Speaker 1: it for, you know, like, be quiet, you know, for now,
Speaker 1: until you've proven that we'll put the ball in your
Speaker 1: hand on fourth seven. You know, you haven't earned the
Speaker 1: right to be mad at your coaches. Yet You're right,
Speaker 1: you know, you're right about that. Absolutely. I can't agree
Speaker 1: with that across the board, like I couldn't agree with
Speaker 1: it earlier in the season, when who is Mac Jones
Speaker 1: to be questioning the play calls and the offensive plan? Well,
Speaker 1: but I'm okay with that privately, I'm with you on that,
Speaker 1: Like I'm okay with my quarterback asking why and you know,
Speaker 1: demanding an explanation about why we're changing this thing up.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm fine with my quarterback asking questions. But
Speaker 1: don't make a show of it, you know, because then
Speaker 1: that that gets that again. Don't make it out to
Speaker 1: be that you've been productive, right, don't make it out
Speaker 1: to be that you've given Bill Belichick faith? Like why
Speaker 1: did they kick the field goal last year in the
Speaker 1: rain against Tampa Bay when it was fourth and three
Speaker 1: and they kicked the fifty six shot. Because you haven't
Speaker 1: gotten any third downs all night, Mac, Why if you
Speaker 1: scored sixteen points in the game, if Larry Bird just says,
Speaker 1: just give me the ball with three seconds left, I'll
Speaker 1: win you. Okay, you've Larry Bird. You're not You're not
Speaker 1: Larry Bird yet. You're not Tom Brady, you're not Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you could hear from Christian's voice.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I think it's it's the same thing
Speaker 1: for the players, and I think the frustration is boiling over.
Speaker 1: They've been at this thing for four months, boiling over
Speaker 1: here and our radio studio, you had a guy who,
Speaker 1: out of the five quarterbacks taken in the first round,
Speaker 1: was universally accepted to I have the best rookie season
Speaker 1: last year. And things fell apart toward the end of
Speaker 1: the year. But what do you do to help him
Speaker 1: improve and build upon that? You bring in a guy
Speaker 1: to coach the offense who has no business coach in
Speaker 1: the offense. By by many people's estimations, five and nine,
Speaker 1: his last fourteen starts yeah to the hearty's point and
Speaker 1: instead of giving you, um, not that he's deserving of
Speaker 1: of of more weapons, but they really haven't given him
Speaker 1: anything more to work with, and you essentially take a
Speaker 1: step back in terms of coaching and the offensive game
Speaker 1: plan for the season. So I want to give Moby
Speaker 1: j doesn't I understand the frustration we need to Nobody
Speaker 1: wants to see. Nobody wants to see players yelling at
Speaker 1: their own guys, at their own coaches, at their own players.
Speaker 1: But the christ, Look, this is real. All the other
Speaker 1: crap that we're going to get in terms of, you know,
Speaker 1: the the improvement in the progress you showed, whether it
Speaker 1: was in the Jets game or this, that and the other,
Speaker 1: and how things weren't that bad when you play Buffalo,
Speaker 1: that's all nonsense. This is real. This feels authentic. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying you gotta like it. But is he wrong?
Speaker 1: Is he is? He? Is? He? Is he wrong? Name?
Speaker 1: So should David Andrews be yelling at people? Should you
Speaker 1: know any better? I think David Andrews has, like to
Speaker 1: you a point like Mac Jones hasn't earned it. David
Speaker 1: Andrews has, he has, but he doesn't do that because
Speaker 1: he's a leader. No, because no one is blaming David
Speaker 1: Andrews and saying that David Andrews sucks. He's hearing it
Speaker 1: every single day that he's not the guy. Get Tom
Speaker 1: Brady back and do something. I have him to try.
Speaker 1: You have to show the world that I'm I don't
Speaker 1: like this. Okay, So I mean it's it's so Mac
Speaker 1: is at the podium. I guess um, and I'm reading
Speaker 1: Matt Doloff's dolof Sorry, um, sorry, Matt, just kind of
Speaker 1: letting my emotions get the best of me. Um explained
Speaker 1: that he wanted to push the ball down field wall
Speaker 1: with the Pats playing from behind and needing to keep
Speaker 1: up Um. They asked him about the video that was
Speaker 1: making the round, so he said, short game sucks. Let's see,
Speaker 1: wanted to throw it deeper? Is what it sounds like.
Speaker 1: He's explaining, I don't know whatever that means. Let's go
Speaker 1: to it. Is it Suitan in Cincinnati? Am I pronouncing
Speaker 1: that correctly? There? Suedan Sudan, Hey Sudan here, yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: here you heyyyy. Paul Love you'll been a long time listener,
Speaker 1: first time caller. H yeah, I've been amazing. Uh love you'll. Hey.
Speaker 1: So one thing quick thing I want to point out.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of disappointing stuff right obviously
Speaker 1: into this game. But one thing I want to say,
Speaker 1: all right, and that is uh uh from Brown. So
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, I don't know if y'all noticed that. I
Speaker 1: want I want y'all to go back and look at this.
Speaker 1: This I noticed it's a lot of times fourth quarters,
Speaker 1: second and ten. While Buffo was up twenty four, page
Speaker 1: was the seventh, and it was shotgun. Four receivers go
Speaker 1: down Krant Brown literally gave up on the play. Mick
Speaker 1: middle of play well, Ack Jones was struggling to find
Speaker 1: protection receivers. Brown did not play well at all tonight.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I mean this, I want y'all
Speaker 1: to I have been watching him play but but but
Speaker 1: but this play and maybe this was the one that
Speaker 1: is sticked out. I think obviously they did because I
Speaker 1: was watching him. But but before the nastpect he he gave.
Speaker 1: He gave up midway. He gave up midway while Magic
Speaker 1: was struggling to find open spots to go up to
Speaker 1: us right and everything he gave he was not trying.
Speaker 1: I don't want to make excuses for Trent Brown, but
Speaker 1: there had to be some reason why he didn't even
Speaker 1: come out for warm ups. Oh yeah, you know he
Speaker 1: was dealing with an illness. There's no doubt about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he just I mean, he played like he did
Speaker 1: in the last game. To be honestly, I thought like
Speaker 1: trying to cut guys at strange times, even like I
Speaker 1: never I'm never a big fan of the cut block
Speaker 1: for an offensive lineman unless it's a screen to that side.
Speaker 1: You got to get the guy off his feet so
Speaker 1: he doesn't knock the pass down. Because he cut a
Speaker 1: guy tonight, I think it was Epanessa got back, he
Speaker 1: got back up and affected the throw was still in
Speaker 1: the ground, right, So I think you just take yourself
Speaker 1: out of the play. Um, how about Eric in New Jersey? Eric?
Speaker 1: Go about Eric? Yeah, you're on the Patriots postgame show
Speaker 1: presented by Cyber Reason Eric. Yes, yes, even no hard
Speaker 1: he's operating the board. First of all, well, call your
Speaker 1: the uncle I never had, dude, you're my guy. I
Speaker 1: know you're you're working in you're working your way into it,
Speaker 1: but your family. I sent a couple of missiles to
Speaker 1: some of the people that you know, sent some you know,
Speaker 1: some nonsense comments your way. So pduce your family now.
Speaker 1: But but fellas, we we gotta we gotta address that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't there. I was in the camp
Speaker 1: that you know, maybe Mac wasn't the guy. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe Max still isn't the guy. But the offensive play
Speaker 1: calling is is atrocious. I mean, we have Johnny Smith
Speaker 1: even he's on the cap, he's on the cap for
Speaker 1: next year for eighteen point five, got him? Why do
Speaker 1: you keep throwing the ball to him at you know,
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage and then you know Vermond
Speaker 1: and Stevenson, he's gonna he's gonna get three hundred touches
Speaker 1: this year. And at what point the guy's gonna wear down?
Speaker 1: And where he called his agent? Where you know, we're
Speaker 1: just wearing the guy down for for nothing? I mean,
Speaker 1: and then the defense Bill you had all off seasons
Speaker 1: to figure out a game plant against the builds. The
Speaker 1: builds we consider the class of the AFC. Whether you
Speaker 1: said the Dolphins regards to what they did, the Bills
Speaker 1: were the class that you know, all right, They obviously
Speaker 1: they dog walked us again, they dog walked us tonight.
Speaker 1: They could have they could apply the pressure more tonight,
Speaker 1: but they knew they had to do nothing more. They
Speaker 1: were running easily at it as at an easy clip
Speaker 1: for us against tonight. You did nothing to stop to
Speaker 1: stop them. They're the class them, the Dolphins. So what
Speaker 1: at what what promise does this team have? I mean,
Speaker 1: Matt Patricius, Matt Patricia, I get it, you're an engineer,
Speaker 1: but you're a moron. Is a neat I hate, I
Speaker 1: hate to go there, but at what point does this
Speaker 1: team take the next step? And you guys talked Induced
Speaker 1: and Paul, you guys talked about it this offseason. Who
Speaker 1: were who were the young guys who would you build around?
Speaker 1: Pace should take the build around this off season? Obviously
Speaker 1: ramondre Stevenson, he proved he's taking that build, but whilst
Speaker 1: from that class. Obviously Marcus Jones obviously too. But yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no I don't know if Marcus Jones is going
Speaker 1: to be part of the offense. But they need more
Speaker 1: playmakers on offense. It's the same stuff we talked about
Speaker 1: all summer. I'll spring you have good players. I think
Speaker 1: you have a bunch of two slash threes like I
Speaker 1: don't think that they I don't think Parker Myers born
Speaker 1: in Agalore is a terrible group of wide receivers. I
Speaker 1: do strongly believe in you need a stud. The stud
Speaker 1: takes the pressure off of everybody else, and I think
Speaker 1: they're they're missing that. And they're also just sort of
Speaker 1: missing the guy that Mac Jones looks too when he
Speaker 1: needs a play, you know. Yeah, yea in the off season.
Speaker 1: And Dix wasn't like Jefferson last week. But Dix was
Speaker 1: the guy that I again, you allowed the other team's
Speaker 1: best player to dictate the offense. The only difference in
Speaker 1: the numbers and the stats tonight was the lead, and
Speaker 1: Buffalo just did what it needed to do. They had
Speaker 1: it comfortable, They had a two score lead for the
Speaker 1: vast majority of the game, and they I was read
Speaker 1: I just read Josh Allen's transcript. They you know they
Speaker 1: Someone asked him, did you just feel like you needed
Speaker 1: to choke him out there in the third flour with
Speaker 1: that drive? Yeah? He said, yeah. You know, they're playing
Speaker 1: two deep shell and they're daring us to run, and
Speaker 1: I thought we got physical and random they did. I mean,
Speaker 1: the numbers aren't going to jump off the page at you.
Speaker 1: But offensively, yeah, they only average three point six to carry.
Speaker 1: But thirty seven carries for one hundred and thirty two yards.
Speaker 1: So it's like, let's let's say thirty four for one
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty five because they had the three nail
Speaker 1: downs at the end. Buffalo's not a physical, grind it
Speaker 1: out team. Like when they were putting in an extra lineman.
Speaker 1: We the three of us were talking my, you, me
Speaker 1: and Evan and we're saying go ahead, like put the
Speaker 1: extra linement now for me personally, night game. I'm the
Speaker 1: clock's running. I'm happy, right, let's go. But I wasn't
Speaker 1: expecting Buffalo to play ball control for two thirds of
Speaker 1: the game the way Hardy said. By just lining up
Speaker 1: and running it, I mean goal to go down on
Speaker 1: the goal line, third and goal from the one walked
Speaker 1: in Devin Singletary walked in easily. Yeah. I agree with
Speaker 1: everything you said about the weapons, Paw. I just I
Speaker 1: think where the place I'm at right now is that
Speaker 1: I can't get by I can't get past the offensive
Speaker 1: design and the offensive install and like, I think these
Speaker 1: players are absolutely better than what they're putting out in there.
Speaker 1: But I think you could have an all star team
Speaker 1: with Odell Beckham and Tyree Hill and Jaylen waddle out
Speaker 1: there right now, and I don't know how they'd get
Speaker 1: the ball. I think it's gonna be fascinating to watch
Speaker 1: in the offseason. I'd like to see. I don't know
Speaker 1: where to start, but I do. I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be fascinating because, like, do you guys envision Bill saying,
Speaker 1: you know that didn't work. We're gonna Matt, You're gonna
Speaker 1: go back to being now Listen, I'm telling you I
Speaker 1: made a prediction last week on the show. There's gonna
Speaker 1: be an offensive shake up this offseason. But but like,
Speaker 1: so does that require or a third system? It might
Speaker 1: so well, I don't know, they'll be banging on the
Speaker 1: five pads again. Next time. They'll be a coaching changes.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I coaching change. I just think I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be fascinating to watch waste of time
Speaker 1: this offense. And if you're gonna try to build off
Speaker 1: of this, then you're just like bring someone in start
Speaker 1: from scratch. I don't care. You know, that's how bad
Speaker 1: it is. Like, I don't know if there's anything to
Speaker 1: salvage from what they've done on offense. Again, I'll go
Speaker 1: back to what I said earlier. The Craft's name was
Speaker 1: thrown around a lot tonight, Like what are they thinking.
Speaker 1: They don't just get their information from Belichick and take
Speaker 1: his word from it. They talk to other people too, sure,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think you know, assuming this continues
Speaker 1: the way it is the rest of the season, You've
Speaker 1: got five games left, Um, they're going to demand changes. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, just you know, realistically, like I look, I
Speaker 1: give I give everybody a little bit of a pass.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty Brady left, like the pandemic whatever, Like
Speaker 1: give them a pass that year. The last two years,
Speaker 1: what's progressed? Like, what's gotten better? If anything? It feels
Speaker 1: like you're just kind of slowly continuing to fall apart.
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't feel like you really I mean,
Speaker 1: you talk about players you're excited about. I'm excited about
Speaker 1: Romandre Stevenson, I'm excited about Marcus Jones. But after that,
Speaker 1: what are you excited about with this day? Like? What
Speaker 1: do you really believe in this league? You know, it's
Speaker 1: hard to have an elite defense. Your best defense is
Speaker 1: a good offense in this league, absolutely, and they don't
Speaker 1: have absolutely, And that's and I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: like a holdover from Hey, this is you know, two
Speaker 1: thousand and three, where we can win games nineteen seventeen, um.
Speaker 1: But I just I don't think you can. I think
Speaker 1: Paul's point about having a guy is is absolutely necessary.
Speaker 1: How do you get that? If you don't think obs
Speaker 1: that guy, then it's a different argument too. Right Well,
Speaker 1: at the same time, it's like, do I feel like
Speaker 1: we're one thirty year old player away? Like I feel
Speaker 1: like we're like three three players in five years away
Speaker 1: right now now, And they're definitely more than one receiver
Speaker 1: away because they're going to have turnover at that position.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't possibly imagine that Agilore's back. I
Speaker 1: think virtually everybody else other than Thornton is in question.
Speaker 1: You know, Jacoby Myers is a free agent. Born will
Speaker 1: be in his last year. Parker will be in his
Speaker 1: last year. Neither one of them is a you know,
Speaker 1: guaranteed to stay. So I think you're looking at an
Speaker 1: overhaul there. You know, you look at the young players
Speaker 1: and there was an ESPN behind the paywall. ESPN had
Speaker 1: the twenty five best players under the age of twenty five.
Speaker 1: Did you see this list? No? No, I mean no, Patriots,
Speaker 1: aren't it? No surprise there? Stevenson probably the only one
Speaker 1: that really had a sniff, unless you wanted to say
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones as like an he hasn't really played, no,
Speaker 1: but even before tonight, you know, right, But twenty five players,
Speaker 1: and the list of the twenty five players is really impressive.
Speaker 1: Like they're good, good players around the league. And just
Speaker 1: as a point of comparison toa Jalen Hurts justin fields,
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. So there's quarterbacks on the list, but not yours.
Speaker 1: And there are receivers on the list, Jalen Waddle, you know,
Speaker 1: guys like that, none of yours. And again, could you
Speaker 1: make an argument I think maybe Stevenson, you can make
Speaker 1: an argument that Romandre Stevenson could be on that list.
Speaker 1: But it's a very impressive list and even have some
Speaker 1: honorable mentions. Yeah, and you know, and even people like
Speaker 1: me and you you tease me and about you know, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I just believe that we can put a team together.
Speaker 1: That they're not that talented, but they all believe in
Speaker 1: each other and they love each other and they're gonna
Speaker 1: win because you still you still believe in Santa Claus.
Speaker 1: I get it, I do. I get it. You you
Speaker 1: still believe. But the Scott Pioli mantra that it's it's
Speaker 1: not about the best fifty three, it's the right fifty three,
Speaker 1: which only matters if you have an elite player at
Speaker 1: the most important spot. And I think, like I can
Speaker 1: at least fool myself into believing that if you're gonna
Speaker 1: tell me that this is the best coach team in
Speaker 1: the league and that they're gonna play like that, and
Speaker 1: all right, we're not talented, but we're not gonna penalties,
Speaker 1: We're gonna be tough, we're gonna have a good game plan.
Speaker 1: We're gonna throw twist side people. We're not going to
Speaker 1: fumble the snap on the biggest game of the year,
Speaker 1: on the on the third the third snap of the game,
Speaker 1: you know. So that for me, that's like, you know,
Speaker 1: and I say that, you know, kind of joking, but overall, like,
Speaker 1: if you're not a well coached team and you're beating
Speaker 1: yourself consistently, like what do you have, Like you don't
Speaker 1: have talent, you don't have coaching. You've lost now to
Speaker 1: the to this team who really for the last four
Speaker 1: years you should have been pretty much maniacally focused on
Speaker 1: how to figure out this team and this guy? What
Speaker 1: have you come up with? Three years they loaned you?
Speaker 1: And I'm not amis Alonzo Stag when it comes to
Speaker 1: breaking this stuff down. But I didn't see a whole
Speaker 1: lot different tonight in the way they attacked the Bill's offense. Um,
Speaker 1: And just to put a rap on that whole young
Speaker 1: player thing is, you know, just try to think in
Speaker 1: your in your mind, who will be here in two years?
Speaker 1: You know, it's hard to come up with, you know,
Speaker 1: you know Barmore, Marcus Jones, probably Jack Jones, uh Stevenson,
Speaker 1: Mac Jones. But like it's hard, you know, you compare
Speaker 1: that to like even the Jets, who I still say,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's that that good, but you know,
Speaker 1: and I heard Albert Brier talking about this on on
Speaker 1: was it on your show today? Yeah? Yeah, yeah with Hardy.
Speaker 1: I heard Albert Brier breaking down like the other teams
Speaker 1: in the division. Now, I think he was being a
Speaker 1: little unfair because I think two years, three years down
Speaker 1: the road, it's hard to know how many of these
Speaker 1: guys will still be around two But it's unquestionable that
Speaker 1: these teams in the division have more talented young cores
Speaker 1: than the Patriots do. I mean definitely on the Jets,
Speaker 1: you know, key spots, key spots too. And that's like
Speaker 1: I don't even care about Zach Wilson, you know, playing
Speaker 1: Mike White like I mean the Garrett Wilson Sauce Gardner.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's uh yeah, Patriots got a long road
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Speaker 1: live from our studios inside Galette Stadium. Here's Hardy right
Speaker 1: back to the phone's eight five five pats five hundred.
Speaker 1: Week go to Will in Hawaii. Will, thanks for calling
Speaker 1: in what you got for us? Hey, how you guys
Speaker 1: doing a good Let you notice jacked up as you
Speaker 1: were in the pregad brutal Um. I am not going
Speaker 1: to uh go as far as the caller did a
Speaker 1: few calls ago and say, you know, I'll give him
Speaker 1: blessed sweat and tears. But they definitely have my motions
Speaker 1: in a headlock. I am here to make a declaration, guy,
Speaker 1: a final declaration. I hope it's not of independence, not
Speaker 1: even a little chuckle party. Mac Jones is not the guy.
Speaker 1: Mac Jones is not the guy. And not only is
Speaker 1: he not the guy, but now he's not the guy
Speaker 1: and he's being insubordinate on the sideline. So that brings
Speaker 1: me to my second uh in in in in final
Speaker 1: I guess issue um, And I'm not here to argue
Speaker 1: with you guys because I argue with Patriots fan so
Speaker 1: I'm blewing the face around here. Who's better Zappi or
Speaker 1: or you know, I argue that all the time. But
Speaker 1: at this point, don't you think we should try something different?
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean obviously what we're doing is not working. Um,
Speaker 1: so I wanted to get you guys. You know, what
Speaker 1: do you say to Patriots fans like me that just say, look,
Speaker 1: we're not saying he's better, but I think he is.
Speaker 1: Let's just try something different. Okay, I'm starting a new
Speaker 1: movement hashtag start Bailey Zappy. I'm gonna try to get
Speaker 1: a rolling on Twitter. What do you guys think? I
Speaker 1: just think you're putting him in a terrible position. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know why you know you think Bailey's Appy
Speaker 1: is going to be successful or different? Like I just
Speaker 1: I think the problem starts at the top. And if
Speaker 1: Matt can't figure it out or they can't figure it
Speaker 1: out formac in a way that is at least I'm
Speaker 1: a productive I don't really have much confidence they're gonna
Speaker 1: be able to figure it out for Bailey's Appy either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's tough because okay, so you roll out Zappy and
Speaker 1: what if he stinks? Now you're like, okay, Mac, you
Speaker 1: can come back. And then you also have you know,
Speaker 1: Paul Sing, He's been talking about people and didn't like
Speaker 1: how it was handled. Now you're going back to Zappy,
Speaker 1: So those people are going to be even more pissed.
Speaker 1: And if we're talking about a locker room, that possibly
Speaker 1: could be fracturing that might be something that the only way,
Speaker 1: there's only two ways that I think you can go
Speaker 1: to Zappy. One is obvious that if Mac gets injured.
Speaker 1: But the only other way to me is if you
Speaker 1: decide that Mac Jones is not not my guy, right,
Speaker 1: and that you're done. Yeah, I'm done with Mac Jones
Speaker 1: because if you if you go away, Look, I mean
Speaker 1: there's a lot of strange things happen. Who would have
Speaker 1: ever thought that Jimmy Garoppolo would wind up back starting
Speaker 1: after the way he was treated over the last couple
Speaker 1: of years, So you never know. But if you go
Speaker 1: to Bailey Zappy because you say Mac, we just you
Speaker 1: know what we're gonna go. We're gonna go with Zappy here,
Speaker 1: you've lost him and you clearly don't think that he's
Speaker 1: the answer. So I just I find it awfully hard
Speaker 1: to believe they think Bailey Zappy gives them a better chance. Um,
Speaker 1: who knows. I'm not a football coachy. The string out
Speaker 1: hurt and it looks like he was like hobbling a
Speaker 1: little bit tonight. If he's hurt, that's different. But I
Speaker 1: don't know. But these types of situations have ruined coaches
Speaker 1: in the past. Yeah, now Bill has the advantage of
Speaker 1: not having to worry about that, but it almost it
Speaker 1: ruined him in Cleveland. You know. Well when he went
Speaker 1: with Testaverdi overs up, he ended up being proven right
Speaker 1: about that. Well, he didn't lose his job because he
Speaker 1: lost his job because they fell apart. I know, But
Speaker 1: like that was a tough decision. Those decisions are some
Speaker 1: of the toughest decisions a head coach can make, because
Speaker 1: the quarterback is just a very unique It's not like
Speaker 1: even a goalie in hockey, where you pull the goalie
Speaker 1: and you're bringing the other guy until he cools down,
Speaker 1: then you bring back the other it's quarterback is different. Well,
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I'm really interested to see what happens
Speaker 1: because you've got a team that's now gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: have a week of prep for Arizona. But then they're
Speaker 1: gonna go spend a week together, you know, and so
Speaker 1: they're gonna play a game on the road, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be kind of isolated. Then they're gonna play another game
Speaker 1: against Well, it's gonna say, it could be a bad thing.
Speaker 1: Usually I don't know, bonding together, I know, and right
Speaker 1: now it's it. It seems like, you know, go back
Speaker 1: to the Slater thing. It feels like is this are
Speaker 1: these guys gonna bond together or these last five games
Speaker 1: gonna be just a continued descent into darkness, which I
Speaker 1: don't totally rule out fifty three separate ubers. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I will say, you know, I didn't. I didn't think
Speaker 1: tonight was a must win. But I think the two
Speaker 1: games upcoming are must wins. Those are the two games
Speaker 1: with losing records. That's the easy part of the schedule
Speaker 1: is Arizona in Vegas, two bad teams. But you need
Speaker 1: to basically you need to go form one right to
Speaker 1: make the playoffs correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you have
Speaker 1: to win these two games. They must win. I'll lose
Speaker 1: either one of them. I think it's game set matches, Yes,
Speaker 1: Dylan in Orlando, what's going on? Dylan? And then guys
Speaker 1: get injuries? Yep, Hey guys, maybe maybe, And foremost appreciate
Speaker 1: each of you. Christ MoMA firmly, pretty firmly disagree with
Speaker 1: Will on this one. For a reference, in Josh Allen's
Speaker 1: first two season, seventy eight point two passer rating, five
Speaker 1: thousand yards, thirty touchdown, twenty one interceptions, Mac Jones broken
Speaker 1: sneas in ninety two point five, passer rating thirty eight
Speaker 1: hundred twenty two, touchdown thirteen inch. Okay, can I just
Speaker 1: can I just stop you for a second. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: you watch Josh Allen and you watch Mac Jones, who
Speaker 1: do you think has better, better or skill? No? No,
Speaker 1: And that's gonna be my next point. I think johns
Speaker 1: sh Allen is a superior quarterback. But my thing is,
Speaker 1: you know, part of his development has come from the
Speaker 1: coaching staff that's been around him. And I hate to
Speaker 1: beat a dead horse. So my question really is, and
Speaker 1: I hate to go here because I've never been the
Speaker 1: type of person to pin Bill. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: when you have a traff record of success, you can
Speaker 1: mess up a few times. But when is he going
Speaker 1: to start taking the accountability for this mess? And I
Speaker 1: don't mean public accountability, I mean accountability in the form
Speaker 1: of change. You know, we're through thirteen weeks here and
Speaker 1: they've made zero progress on the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: And I don't think the defense is as peachy as
Speaker 1: numbers suggest either. Anytime we've played a competent offense, we've
Speaker 1: seen a slow burned game. You know, time possession in
Speaker 1: favor of these a fair points on the ball down
Speaker 1: our throat, throw it over our head, et cetera. So
Speaker 1: I don't think that mac Jones is the problem. I'm
Speaker 1: curious to know when we think Bill Chick he's going
Speaker 1: to take accountability for the situation. Well, he said it's
Speaker 1: all on me, right, didn't he say that? Well said
Speaker 1: to blame him? And I agree with the caller. I
Speaker 1: just the point I was trying to make, and it
Speaker 1: wasn't taken about the coaching. Is mac Jones came into
Speaker 1: the league much more ready to play in the NFL
Speaker 1: than Josh Allen did. Josh Allen played at Wyoming, was
Speaker 1: wild and needed to be coached up and out of
Speaker 1: some of that wildness. But it was apparent and Fred
Speaker 1: and I would talk and we were talking about that
Speaker 1: game on a Saturday afternoon late in the year, I
Speaker 1: think in nineteen. Yeah, he didn't have a great game statistically,
Speaker 1: but some of the plays he made were like, Wow,
Speaker 1: if this guy can ever figure it out, this guy's
Speaker 1: gonna be dangerous. And he figured it out and now
Speaker 1: he's dangerous. Go it. Mac Jones doesn't have that a
Speaker 1: great receiver and he got Brian Dable, right, But mac
Speaker 1: Jones doesn't have that potential, like physically from a skill set.
Speaker 1: He has to play at a high level, you know, mentally,
Speaker 1: and then he needs to be lifted by great talent
Speaker 1: around him. And he has just so so talent around him.
Speaker 1: I mean, Josh Allen's a unicorn. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: you know, nobody's like. That's why I don't want to
Speaker 1: see comparisons to his first two years. He came in
Speaker 1: the touchdown so far away with mac Wilson draped on
Speaker 1: him and he's got he's halfway out of bounds and
Speaker 1: he just rifles it back. That's a great example. So
Speaker 1: mac Jones a better rookie year than Peyton Manning. Are
Speaker 1: we what are we saying? What does that mean? But nothing?
Speaker 1: But but mac Jones had a play like that where
Speaker 1: he's rolling and rolling and rolling to the sideline and
Speaker 1: try to throw it late and what happened got picked well,
Speaker 1: didn't like. That's just a physical Henry should have came
Speaker 1: back to him. It's a physical skill set that he
Speaker 1: just doesn't possess it. And it doesn't make mac Jones
Speaker 1: a bad guy, because you're right, Josh Allen's a unicorn. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: we're talking about what Bill said, what he did take
Speaker 1: accountability for. Let's find out. Let's hear from the head coach,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, not really too much to say here.
Speaker 1: Um just obviously just couldn't do enough tonight. Um can
Speaker 1: give Buffalo credit and good good football team. Um, we
Speaker 1: just we just couldn't do enough. Um. So that's some opportunities,
Speaker 1: but just um nothing in particular, just in general, not
Speaker 1: just not quite good enough in any area right area. Offensively,
Speaker 1: they're making plays in the kicking game. So um, it's
Speaker 1: about it's about the end of it. Bill, Buffalo's last
Speaker 1: possession about two minutes left, you have a timeout. What
Speaker 1: went into the decision and to not call it timeouts
Speaker 1: to try to get the ball back and let Buffalo
Speaker 1: letting the clock out there talking about on the nail downs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought that was the best thing to do for
Speaker 1: our team. You know, we went the other way into
Speaker 1: Baltimore game and I lost Mac for three weeks. I mean,
Speaker 1: I really think that was worth it. Three to twelve.
Speaker 1: On third down offensively, it's been an area that has
Speaker 1: been a struggle all season. Well what do you see there?
Speaker 1: Why that's been such a struggle. Yeah, combination of things
Speaker 1: and then the two minute offense at the end of
Speaker 1: the second quarter. Were you okay with the way the
Speaker 1: timeouts were used in the management in that situation? Who
Speaker 1: came ashore on a third down costs us another You know,
Speaker 1: we didn't pick it up on third down, so we
Speaker 1: had to here's the time out there. So I mean
Speaker 1: in the end, we you know, should have had a
Speaker 1: field goal at the end of the half and we
Speaker 1: ended up not getting it. So, Bill, why do you
Speaker 1: think the offense is still struggling so much at this
Speaker 1: point of the season. Yeah, Oh, I'll just say tonight,
Speaker 1: you know, we just didn't, like I said, we just
Speaker 1: didn't do enough. You know, had some opportunities and weren't
Speaker 1: able to take advantage of him. You guys had a
Speaker 1: lot of the same players in place last year as
Speaker 1: you do this year, and the offense is a lot
Speaker 1: more efficient. Anything specific to change from last year to
Speaker 1: this year, I don't just got through with the game here, Bill,
Speaker 1: give him that he had done it in college. Were
Speaker 1: you always planning on at some point trying to use
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones that way? Or is it something specific this
Speaker 1: week that you thought that he might be able to
Speaker 1: give you guys a spark? Yeah, he's he's played on
Speaker 1: offense before. Very far right, Bill, Sorry by the door
Speaker 1: over here. Are there serious changes you guys have to
Speaker 1: make on third down? I think you're three for ten
Speaker 1: last week, three for twelve today. Yeah, it's a combination
Speaker 1: of things. So there's a lot of things we do better.
Speaker 1: Some of that's third down, some of that's first and
Speaker 1: second down. Did you feel like you couldn't be real
Speaker 1: aggressive on first and second down based on some of
Speaker 1: the stuff you guys had going on your offensive line? Oh,
Speaker 1: we were definitely working around some things there. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: just need to do a better job. Would you consider
Speaker 1: the struggles on offense more of a play calling issue
Speaker 1: or an execution issue? Yeah, well, we just need to
Speaker 1: do a better job overall. A right over here, Bill,
Speaker 1: on the Allen pass to Gabe Davis, the touchdown pass
Speaker 1: where it looked like he was maybe going to go
Speaker 1: out of bounds. Wilson was pursuing him on that. Did
Speaker 1: you think that he was out of bounds when he
Speaker 1: threw that? It looked like some guys had kind of
Speaker 1: stopped playing. I don't know what you saw. Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't really see it. Bill. There's
Speaker 1: a sequence at the end of the first half second
Speaker 1: down and one and you guys ran it called sorry,
Speaker 1: I came in late. Apologize. Yeah, no worries. Bill. Was
Speaker 1: there any consideration to bumping Mike on one who out
Speaker 1: to right tackle condract dem got the start? It has
Speaker 1: been with you guys for about nine days. Was there
Speaker 1: any consideration to moving things around to get Mike in
Speaker 1: that spot and then moving someone else into that guard spot? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not always moving moving one and moving too. Moving
Speaker 1: two is always harder and moving one. Um, And when
Speaker 1: we looked at our options, felt like that was you know,
Speaker 1: I felt like we did the best thing we could do.
Speaker 1: If we thought moving Mike was out there, would have
Speaker 1: done that right, Bill. Did you feel conditioning was an
Speaker 1: issue at all? Defensively, they just were out there for
Speaker 1: I think almost forty minutes. I thought, actually we played
Speaker 1: pretty competitively. Andrew Kelling build a decision upon with twelve
Speaker 1: and a half minutes left around midfield on fourth down?
Speaker 1: What made punting the best for the team in that situation? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's thoughts, you know, stay in the game, all right.
Speaker 1: Just did it feel like the Bills maybe had a
Speaker 1: beat on what you guys were trying to do on
Speaker 1: early down? It just felt like a lot of short
Speaker 1: passing screens into the flat. Did they get a jump
Speaker 1: on that? And do you think it's hard to keep
Speaker 1: players from getting frustrated against an offense like Buffalo um
Speaker 1: when you're not incredibly aggressive through the air? Uncle players,
Speaker 1: you don't know. You're sorry your offensive players, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You have to ask them. It's kind of a kind
Speaker 1: of a mic drop. You think conditioning was an issue
Speaker 1: on defense? Your defense was out there for forty minutes,
Speaker 1: and he said, I thought we were competitive defending that defense,
Speaker 1: defending that defense tough to defend. Why do you think
Speaker 1: you might be doing that? Oh? Well, I mean I
Speaker 1: can think of a couple of reasons, but I wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to speculate. I think. I mean, and again, I
Speaker 1: don't think the defense was horrible tonight. I think they competed.
Speaker 1: I thought they really made Buffalo earned their yards. It
Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of freebees. But I don't I just
Speaker 1: I have to stop short of saying, oh, great job
Speaker 1: by the defense only allowed twenty four points. I think
Speaker 1: we all watched the game and kind of felt like
Speaker 1: Buffalo could have named the score. And I know what
Speaker 1: you're inferring there two Paul, But I think he's probably
Speaker 1: just a protective and loyal to his friends who were
Speaker 1: running the offense. Right. Yeah, I thought I thought he
Speaker 1: side stepped a question earlier in the press conference about
Speaker 1: the differences between last year and this year. It felt
Speaker 1: like it was mostly the same personnel and more efficient
Speaker 1: last year. What's the issue? And to you a point, Freddy,
Speaker 1: he didn't answer that either. There's plenty of question and
Speaker 1: critique right now without even getting into nepotism or anything
Speaker 1: like that. You know, I'll get into nepotism. Like the
Speaker 1: fake punt. I mean, you know they well, you know,
Speaker 1: we did force a punt, but they faked it. So
Speaker 1: there is two years Ken d Borne quote, and they're born.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a sneaky prediction to make the end
Speaker 1: of the season. Not gonna make the end of the season. Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: By the way, the first punt that was forced by
Speaker 1: the Patriots defense tonight, there was not a smattering of
Speaker 1: chuckles or any kind of sarcastic applause. I don't think
Speaker 1: the crowd was for that was a little bit, a
Speaker 1: little bit of a mock here, but but not you
Speaker 1: How could you tell from your lofty perch up there
Speaker 1: and not like I thought it was going to be
Speaker 1: to you a point with the serious folks. I just
Speaker 1: I don't I think the crowd would have done it.
Speaker 1: I don't think they were in the mood. Everybody, you
Speaker 1: know that, everybody underneath us. They got up. But it
Speaker 1: wasn't like I thought it was gonna be one of
Speaker 1: those you know, like when you get like seven penalties
Speaker 1: called against you in a row, and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden there's one called the other team, and everybody, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I thought you were gonna ash. I think
Speaker 1: they still wanted to believe at that point, they still
Speaker 1: wanted to believe like this, But it wasn't. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like like usually you get a third down stop and
Speaker 1: the crowd goes wild. It wasn't any of that. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's go to Kyle and Charlotte, North Carolina. Kyle, Kyle
Speaker 1: on the how are you doing good? Hey? Ka Um,
Speaker 1: I just gotta say, who would have thought two summers ago,
Speaker 1: after spending one hundred and sixty million dollars in the
Speaker 1: off season that we would have these problems with the
Speaker 1: O line, H quarterback controversy, U wide receivers not getting open,
Speaker 1: going blazing on the routes, and then this Mac Jones
Speaker 1: thing that just can't bow with him saying the stuff
Speaker 1: on the sideline. Um. I know it's been a mess,
Speaker 1: but it's like it's hard to be optimistic in this situation,
Speaker 1: Like if we do any worse, we're not going to
Speaker 1: get a higher draft pick. If we've played too hard.
Speaker 1: I mean, the second round seems like the farthest will go.
Speaker 1: I hate to say it like that, but it just
Speaker 1: seems like it's been a constant like circle of just
Speaker 1: biting our own till well. I tell you what, Kyle,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think you know, people like me
Speaker 1: maybe are going to be forced into push back against
Speaker 1: the optimism, like I was after the win over the Jets.
Speaker 1: You know, I felt like I had to, you know,
Speaker 1: just for my own sanity's sake. Like I didn't see
Speaker 1: all that much improvement. I didn't see all that much
Speaker 1: to take away from it. I'm not hearing so far tonight.
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing anything. We're not hearing from anybody taking
Speaker 1: away much positive from this effort tonight. There's just there's
Speaker 1: not a lot. There's there's not a lot to like.
Speaker 1: I don't mind beating the Jets ten three, right, I
Speaker 1: don't mind like winning different games differently, you know, and
Speaker 1: being able to do that. Like when we're in against
Speaker 1: a team like the Jets, we can win the slug fest.
Speaker 1: The problem is they can't win the games that against
Speaker 1: the teams, you know. I think that's a great point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind beating the Jets ten three if they
Speaker 1: could beat the Bills thirty four thirty one, right. Only
Speaker 1: the problem with beating the Jets ten three is that's
Speaker 1: the only way they can win, right. Um Austin in
Speaker 1: North Dakota joining us now on the Patriots postgame show.
Speaker 1: Hi Austin, Hey, guys. First of all, I just want
Speaker 1: to say thank you for taking my call. There's I
Speaker 1: guess where do we start? I mean to me, last weekend,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones really struggles against Justin Jefferson, and then I
Speaker 1: saw him out there again with him this week. Not
Speaker 1: only did he struggle in coverage, but he had another
Speaker 1: big penalty again tonight. Um. Another thing is is I
Speaker 1: feel like Kendrick Bourne should be getting a little bit
Speaker 1: more playing time considering our offenses has been struggling so bad,
Speaker 1: and it seems like we have guys, I mean, they
Speaker 1: can catch the ball, but they can't make anything happen
Speaker 1: after the catch. Like a game like tonight, you could
Speaker 1: add a guy like Born. I mean, he did it
Speaker 1: for you a lot. Last year, in my opinion, has
Speaker 1: been an absolute disappointment. I really thought that he was
Speaker 1: going to be a focal point of this offense. And
Speaker 1: I'm the last thing I really wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: is am I crazy for thinking that there needs to
Speaker 1: be a coaching change. I mean and my offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: I mean, there has to be a change there. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, I'm not saying that he's been absolutely terrible
Speaker 1: this year. Offensive line hasn't done Mac any favors, And
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I completely get where Mac
Speaker 1: was coming from tonight. I mean, there's no reason why
Speaker 1: Mac Jones should be running around in the battlefield looking
Speaker 1: like Patrick Mahomes try trying to, you know, extend plays,
Speaker 1: because that's not who he is. That's not who he's
Speaker 1: ever going to be. I It just it really sucks
Speaker 1: the position that we're in because I know the thing is,
Speaker 1: I feel like we're slowly becoming Denver with the things
Speaker 1: that are happening on the sideline now tonight with Mac,
Speaker 1: you know all that. Hopefully that ends up not being
Speaker 1: as dramatic as I think it's going to be. But
Speaker 1: I mean, if if there's already a locker room shift,
Speaker 1: I mean, that just creates more drama to a drama
Speaker 1: filled And you know, Bill has admitted it and players
Speaker 1: have admitted it. This is a tough place to play football.
Speaker 1: It's very demented, it's very demanding mentally, and you know
Speaker 1: these guys are wound tight. Yeah. Yeah, it's demanding and
Speaker 1: they're wound tight. And when things go bad, the tighter
Speaker 1: you're wound, you snap, you know, And that's what happens,
Speaker 1: and I think it works when you're winning, but like
Speaker 1: the way Bill runs a team, it's not good when
Speaker 1: you're losing. And what you're hearing a lot of is
Speaker 1: the stuff that Mike is alluding to with Kendrick Bourne,
Speaker 1: and I know that was where I think Mac was
Speaker 1: coming from, this desire to get the ball downfield, and
Speaker 1: they're very frustrated with a lot of the short stuff.
Speaker 1: And I think that the call is right because the
Speaker 1: short stuff is great, but they don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that can do much with it short and
Speaker 1: make it a bigger chunk place. Yeah, have you've been reading,
Speaker 1: said the Daniels. But you know and and that, and
Speaker 1: like I I don't blame that. I want Mac to
Speaker 1: be upset. I just don't like the demonstrative stuff on
Speaker 1: the side. But he's very emotional, but you know, very
Speaker 1: emotion We say, you know, we don't have receivers that
Speaker 1: can do anything once they get the ball. Well, when's
Speaker 1: the less time like we've really seen a guy hit
Speaker 1: and stride. Yeah, you know, we saw that against Minnesota
Speaker 1: a couple of times. I'm not absolving you know of
Speaker 1: Myers was had a deep cross. It was a mid crosser.
Speaker 1: You hit him and stride and it's a thirty yard
Speaker 1: game and and he airport And Born seems like he's
Speaker 1: like letting it all out tonight. He had and I
Speaker 1: know the game was over at the time, but he
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to make a play. And as he
Speaker 1: was catching the ball, he would have been cutting right
Speaker 1: inside Xavier Rhodes, who I thought took a poor angle
Speaker 1: to the outside and he dropped it. Yeah, Like he's
Speaker 1: catching the ball, he's full of all what's right, And
Speaker 1: meanwhile every time they go to him now it's a mistake.
Speaker 1: Like I think Born is like what Fred is complaining
Speaker 1: about with Mac times ten, Like you know, he's barely
Speaker 1: even been a contributor. I mean, I've never seen a
Speaker 1: receiver or any player really in the Patriots, you know,
Speaker 1: say these things that you know he's saying right now,
Speaker 1: which is just, you know, it's not the Patriot way.
Speaker 1: I also am seeing NBC Sports Boston's postgame show. They're
Speaker 1: saying with Tommy Kern, feel like this is the lowest
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Speaker 1: I agree with Mike Cole Hartley on PR strong about
Speaker 1: to me, that's that's the play of the game. You
Speaker 1: don't try to tell me he was good hearty. Live
Speaker 1: from our studios inside Galette Stadium. Here's Hardy. A couple
Speaker 1: of emails here, chatt in Atlanta is a time for
Speaker 1: Craft to clean house. I feel like if this were
Speaker 1: any other team in the NFL would be expecting them
Speaker 1: to fire everyone and start fresh. The only reason people
Speaker 1: won't say it about the Patriots it's because they're the Patriots.
Speaker 1: There is an element of this. I think certainly with
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick you kind of alluded to that earlier. Paul.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, you know, you're you know, you're talking
Speaker 1: about Bill and you're talking about a resume that gives
Speaker 1: you a certain amount of wiggle room. But think about
Speaker 1: this from an outsider perspective. What 'all was trying to do.
Speaker 1: If you're looking at this team from the outside, you're
Speaker 1: whoever the coach is, you know, whatever was, you know,
Speaker 1: whoever they are and whatever. And it's tough to find
Speaker 1: a comp for Belichick because there really isn't one. But
Speaker 1: couldn't you be saying, like, oh my god, they really
Speaker 1: got a clean house there. If you're if you're looking
Speaker 1: at the situation that you had a guy that didn't
Speaker 1: have his resume, you'd be asking those kinds of questions.
Speaker 1: You have a young quarterback who seems to be regressing,
Speaker 1: who usually gets playing for that, well, he's not developing
Speaker 1: the quarterback. He's the first round pick, but that's out
Speaker 1: of the question. He's not right. The thing the Paul
Speaker 1: always goes to is losing the locker room. When you
Speaker 1: lose the locker room, that's when all bets are off
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm not going to say that he's
Speaker 1: losing the locker room right now, but I think you're
Speaker 1: seeing a team that is very, very frustrated right now
Speaker 1: by how things are going. And understandably so, I've been
Speaker 1: watching them for four months whatever it's been, and I'm
Speaker 1: frustrated watching it because they just there's been no progress,
Speaker 1: which is to me the most surprising thing that you
Speaker 1: would think that after all this time they would have
Speaker 1: found something, some kind of consistency. But being Fresno, before
Speaker 1: we get to Mac Jones speed, what do you got? Um? Wow?
Speaker 1: That was that was pretty pitiful, disgraceful, offensive performance. But
Speaker 1: I was thinking about Fred's comments about Robert Kraft and
Speaker 1: just Max's apparent, you know, annoyance on the sideline the end.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's like, um, it's kind of like we
Speaker 1: got to think about how we're going to carve up
Speaker 1: the blame pie. And I know I know my because
Speaker 1: I've cared about max performance probably above all else this season.
Speaker 1: I've been focusing on what he does well and what
Speaker 1: he does poorly. Like I focus on how long the
Speaker 1: balls takes to get the sideline into flat. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I focused on that and I probably discount a
Speaker 1: little bit with the the negative influence that patricious incompetence
Speaker 1: has on that. I think that anybody's trying to think
Speaker 1: about all this stuff probably needs to think of about
Speaker 1: it like somebody like a good businessman like Craftwood, which
Speaker 1: is that like, all of these things are mattering. So
Speaker 1: I don't know how you solve that. And it's also
Speaker 1: just I would imagine that in the Patriot with the
Speaker 1: Patriot way, where you're just supposed to be kind of
Speaker 1: like a cog and just go with the flow and
Speaker 1: do your job, I'd imagine like having a sense of
Speaker 1: personal frustration would be even more damaging than than maybe
Speaker 1: in other places which allowed more free expression. What do
Speaker 1: you guys think? Again, they're going to point to the
Speaker 1: history of the team and the way things been done
Speaker 1: here for a while, and you know, how much do
Speaker 1: you how much do you blow up even even as
Speaker 1: an owner, and like, how much do you look at
Speaker 1: and say how much this realistically needs to change? And
Speaker 1: if we're being even more honest looking back to last
Speaker 1: week against Minnesota, how many people are saying that this
Speaker 1: offense needs to be totally retooled. You know, it's just
Speaker 1: it's not it's not working at all on any level.
Speaker 1: You know. You know, this is the difference that we makes.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of it has to do with,
Speaker 1: you know, who is coaching the offense right now and
Speaker 1: what that means going forward. But you know, when you
Speaker 1: spe asked that question, Curtain Chapel Hill says, you know,
Speaker 1: how many teams are in worse positions than the Patriots
Speaker 1: right now when you consider he says, no quarterback, no
Speaker 1: offensive line, no offensive weapons, no linebackers, no proven cornerbacks. Well,
Speaker 1: I heard a much different story literally one week ago,
Speaker 1: right you know, like, wow, dude, are you are you
Speaker 1: there as team in the league? Are there? There are
Speaker 1: middle of the six. They're in the middle of the
Speaker 1: league right now. This is where most teams live. You know,
Speaker 1: if you want to, if you wanted to be really negative,
Speaker 1: like like some of you know, some of these reactions
Speaker 1: have been, you could make an argument that they're you know,
Speaker 1: fortunate to be six and six. They haven't really lost
Speaker 1: a game that they quote unquote should have won, but
Speaker 1: they've won one or two that they easily could have.
Speaker 1: I have won the Chicago game. They got blown out
Speaker 1: for it. It wasn't even close, I know, but they
Speaker 1: should have won that. They shouldn't have been blown out. No, no,
Speaker 1: if you want to tell me, they have no business
Speaker 1: getting blown out by the Bear. But they had no
Speaker 1: chance to win that game. Like they had a chance
Speaker 1: to lose both Jets games. They had a chance to
Speaker 1: lose the Pittsburgh game. They haven't really won a game.
Speaker 1: I mean, they haven't really lost a game that they
Speaker 1: quote unquote should have won, right right, And I mean,
Speaker 1: but you know, just last year they were second place.
Speaker 1: The AFC's probably third place. They lost to Miami twice.
Speaker 1: This year they're probably gonna be fourth place, probably not
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. So you know what direction is it
Speaker 1: hadn't I think it's pretty clear. I think the team
Speaker 1: has been very similar to last year. The difference is
Speaker 1: that Miami and the Jets have gotten better and our
Speaker 1: offense has gone completely incompetent. Well, everybody's talking about Mac
Speaker 1: Jones and him being on the sideline and what he
Speaker 1: was yelling and who he was yelling at too. He
Speaker 1: has asked about it here relatively early on in his
Speaker 1: press conference. So let's hear from the quarterback. Mac. There's
Speaker 1: a video going around right now from the broadcast where
Speaker 1: it's showing you on the sidelines and showing you appear
Speaker 1: to be frustrated, where it appears that you're saying something
Speaker 1: along the lines of throw the FF and BALLU the
Speaker 1: F and something game sucks. Can you share with us
Speaker 1: what exactly is being said in that moment or what
Speaker 1: was frustrating in that time as opposed to letting internet
Speaker 1: lip readers take care of it. Yeah, obviously, just kind
Speaker 1: of let my emotions get to me. But you know,
Speaker 1: we're kind of playing from behind, and what I said
Speaker 1: was about throwing it deeper within the short game. You know,
Speaker 1: I got to execute that part better. But it's the
Speaker 1: short game that we kept going to, which is working.
Speaker 1: But I felt like we needed chunk plays and you know,
Speaker 1: I shouted that out to kind of get everyone going.
Speaker 1: And that's emotional, that's football. I'm passionate about this game,
Speaker 1: and obviously you don't want to get your emotions let
Speaker 1: you get the best of you. But yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty much it. Like it wasn't directed in anybody,
Speaker 1: just emotion coming out, and we kind of needed a spark.
Speaker 1: So when you're playing from behind against a really good
Speaker 1: team and a good offense, you need to go out
Speaker 1: there and make better plays, and that starts with me.
Speaker 1: So definitely wasn't good enough by me tonight. And all
Speaker 1: you can do is wash the tape and see where
Speaker 1: we can get better. But playing catchups hard. We didn't
Speaker 1: want to do that all game, and I didn't do
Speaker 1: a good enough job getting the head early and making
Speaker 1: it work. So a tough one, but hats off to
Speaker 1: the Bills for playing a good game. Mac. Obviously a
Speaker 1: sober atmosphere in the locker room you mentioned a little bit,
Speaker 1: But what's the frustration level like for this locker room now?
Speaker 1: Especial on the offense. Yeah, I think, Um, we didn't
Speaker 1: play our best game obviously, and we let our team down.
Speaker 1: And I think when we all play together, you know,
Speaker 1: the defense, special teams, and offense, when we finally get
Speaker 1: a chance to do that, I think the results will
Speaker 1: be there. So we didn't do that on offense. I
Speaker 1: thought the defense is great, special teams are great. So
Speaker 1: got you know, more games to be played. Season's not over,
Speaker 1: and I gotta watch the tape and see what we
Speaker 1: can do better and just have a positive attitude. You know,
Speaker 1: that's a good football team that we played against tonight,
Speaker 1: and we'll have to play against them again. So you
Speaker 1: gotta give credit where credits due, and yeah, just gotta
Speaker 1: work harder. Mac. There was a third in sixth play
Speaker 1: right before the half of your twenty nine yardline. Look
Speaker 1: like you were pressure. Do you end up throwing the
Speaker 1: ball out of bounds? Did you look down the field
Speaker 1: thinking maybe I can pick up the ball with my
Speaker 1: feet or did you or was the pressure just there
Speaker 1: that you know, no choice just throw it out of bounds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I think. Um, I think there was
Speaker 1: twenty two seconds. We didn't have any timeouts, and if
Speaker 1: you take a sack, not only do you lose yards,
Speaker 1: but you don't have a timeout. So you know, we
Speaker 1: would have to run the field goal team on with
Speaker 1: a sack, maybe out of range. It's a tough thing
Speaker 1: to do with twenty two seconds left. So I threw
Speaker 1: it away and play for the field goal. Um. I'll
Speaker 1: have to watch the tape and see if I could
Speaker 1: have done something differently. But that's something we focus on
Speaker 1: a lot here, is situational awareness, and that was the
Speaker 1: right play for that time. All right, Well, he did
Speaker 1: throw that one away. If it's the one I'm thinking of,
Speaker 1: I think it ended up about twelve rows up. It
Speaker 1: was a good play. Yeah, Actually I'm totally with back
Speaker 1: on that. Yeah. Yeah, and look on the bad List tonight,
Speaker 1: Nick Folk needs to make that kick. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up. I thought you were
Speaker 1: avoiding it. I wasn't avoiding it. And I look, even
Speaker 1: the tired leg, even with the tired leg, and even
Speaker 1: in the you know, the the hurricane force wins, you know,
Speaker 1: against the Jets. No, he needed to make, but at
Speaker 1: least one of the ones that he missed there. It's
Speaker 1: so you can see he's not going to be able
Speaker 1: to get the first down. And if he does get
Speaker 1: the first down, he's watching it as he comes out here,
Speaker 1: he has a guy chasing him, and there's a guy
Speaker 1: right there for the Bills. Okay, so if he gets
Speaker 1: the first down, he's gonna have to cut inside the
Speaker 1: half ends. They're not getting the field goal unit on
Speaker 1: the field. So I thought, did he handled that play
Speaker 1: really well? And I would say contrast that to last
Speaker 1: week in Minnesota, right when he had a brain cramp
Speaker 1: and took a sack in a situation where you can't.
Speaker 1: Oddly I feel a tiny bit better after listening to
Speaker 1: him the way he answered that first question, and he said,
Speaker 1: you know, what he said essentially is right. They weren't
Speaker 1: picked to win this game by most people. That is
Speaker 1: a good football team that they played tonight. This is
Speaker 1: not one of the wins that I know that I
Speaker 1: had circled as a game that they had to win
Speaker 1: down the stretch. Here, Um, and there's six and six.
Speaker 1: You're a middle of the pack football team right now.
Speaker 1: There are games left to be played. But yeah, you
Speaker 1: ended up losing a game tonight that I thought you
Speaker 1: were going to lose. So trying to keep things in perspective,
Speaker 1: those are my final thoughts, Fred, What are your final
Speaker 1: thoughts from the game? Is it? Were you not ready?
Speaker 1: I'll come back to you, dude, What are your final
Speaker 1: thoughts on the game tonight? H more of the same.
Speaker 1: This is who the twenty twenty two Patriots are. It's
Speaker 1: it's frustrating and unfortunate. You put in all this time
Speaker 1: and you know, get to this point you come to
Speaker 1: the realization that that's what it is. We'll see what
Speaker 1: they have over these last five games. If they pack
Speaker 1: it in and totally give up, or if they you know,
Speaker 1: fight a little bit and and make it interesting. But
Speaker 1: I think this pretty much sealed their fate for the season. Well,
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more with Mike. I think meet the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two Patriots same as the twenty twenty one Patriots,
Speaker 1: just not quite good enough against quality competition. And to
Speaker 1: Fred's point about the ten three game, that there's one
Speaker 1: pattern of a game that they've displayed that they can win,
Speaker 1: and that's get a lead, make the other team chase
Speaker 1: and keep it, you know, somewhat low scoring, and once
Speaker 1: it gets out out of hand, once you get down
Speaker 1: by two scores. I felt like the entire because I
Speaker 1: thought there was I mean, but there was some juice
Speaker 1: in the stadium, snite and they went down seventeen seven
Speaker 1: in the game, I may as well have been over
Speaker 1: the way you kind of laid it out though. They
Speaker 1: to have a lead and it was a low scoring
Speaker 1: game for the most part time, but they were chasing
Speaker 1: all night, like they had they had lead early. They
Speaker 1: never had the ball in the lead. It's my point,
Speaker 1: like they never had the ball in the lead. They
Speaker 1: got up seven three, they didn't have the ball after
Speaker 1: seven three, the Bills scored first, the Patriots matched it,
Speaker 1: and then the Patriots, I mean the Bill scored again,
Speaker 1: and that was game. That was a game over man.
Speaker 1: So there's only one way they have of winning, and
Speaker 1: that's getting a lead and making the other team chase
Speaker 1: all night. A low scoring game. There were a lot
Speaker 1: of things obviously that bothered me about this game, but
Speaker 1: none rattled me more than Bill coming out with that cloak.
Speaker 1: I had never seen that before and I never want
Speaker 1: to see it again. Yeah, that's that's kind doesn't make
Speaker 1: it into the hoodie blog. Can't wear that? I think
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna make a special occasion for it
Speaker 1: because I feel like it's so unique and this game
Speaker 1: was such a sah sandwich. You can't wear those types
Speaker 1: of cloaks if you're not if you don't have the
Speaker 1: black boot cleat, you can't have a powder blue mic
Speaker 1: caused my cleat. Yeah, and if you want to know
Speaker 1: what's work that different attire was, you have to subscribe
Speaker 1: to Mike Juso dot com because that's behind the paywall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a halftime change, halftime attire is behind it. I'll do
Speaker 1: a video private video halftime it's from a Patreon just
Speaker 1: give just give that away. All of a sudden, we
Speaker 1: were in the NFC North Plan at Metropolitics in the fifties.
Speaker 1: You know, I was waiting for some guy to come
Speaker 1: out of it, like Jabrol Peppers came onto the field
Speaker 1: with it on at one point tonight and he like
Speaker 1: threw it off. It was like on the field of
Speaker 1: place I wanted to go and get it. Jab Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: let's Peppers. If we can't agree to find any optimism
Speaker 1: at all, can we at least focusing on the fact
Speaker 1: that we as a as a show. I had the
Speaker 1: weekend off and technically next weekend off too. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: all right Monday they're going to be in Arizona. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: um Monday, a week from Monday, I should say the
Speaker 1: game in Arizona and then we'll have that Vegas game
Speaker 1: that Mike could get flexed all right in play At
Speaker 1: this point people are saying about flexing, and somebody said,
Speaker 1: can they get flexed into next season? I'm not dealing
Speaker 1: with adversity. Well, but for everybody involved in the show tonight,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for helping us put together. Thank
Speaker 1: you all the call s a we didn't get to
Speaker 1: a lot of the emails tonight. There's a lot of them,
Speaker 1: but a lot of us are saying the same things
Speaker 1: after the Patriots lose. I will say I said it
Speaker 1: at the beginning. I'll say it again now unceremoniously to
Speaker 1: the Bills tonight at Gilette Stadium. Your final score for
Speaker 1: the final time, Patriots ten Bills twenty four. That's for you, Paul.
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