Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two ninety six,
Speaker 1: Episode two of Day's Guys Stay production of My Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: This is the podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America Share your Cats.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, July nineteenth, twenty twenty three. Yep, my
Speaker 1: name's Oh yeah, what's what's seven nineteen Jack?
Speaker 2: It's not. It's International Retainer Day. Yeah, teeth man, keep
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Speaker 2: for your teeth. You know your parents paid all that
Speaker 2: money for your braces. You don't want to just god
Speaker 2: your teeth washed out on retainers, man, I'll wash up
Speaker 2: on a retainer Wana. Also National Hot Dog Day. I
Speaker 2: didn't realize that feels late.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 1: That would be like Happy Birthday January.
Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out Jamie Loftus, shout out row Dog. The
Speaker 2: book is fantastic and also so shout out to my
Speaker 2: grandmother Rest in peace, because this was a game we
Speaker 2: used to play all the time. National Words with Friends
Speaker 2: Day because she used to whoop and scrabble yo. She
Speaker 2: never she was fucking ruthless when we way scrabbled since
Speaker 2: I was since I was literate, okay, since I could play.
Speaker 2: My mom was like my grandmother was like, okay, so
Speaker 2: we got a fucking chump tonight. Yeah, Michael, yeah, Vernon
Speaker 2: Maxwell talking about But yeah that also played into like
Speaker 2: my just hardcore style because when I played with her magicy,
Speaker 2: She's like, what are you fucking doing? I'm like a
Speaker 2: triple word score that ship and like you were too
Speaker 2: good and she like she says, I'm like, way, like
Speaker 2: I'm not having fun with it. Yeah, like I'm getting
Speaker 2: because I'm I'm very mad. You know, you got to
Speaker 2: be efficient with those tiles to get the most points
Speaker 2: you can out of every word. Score that no, no, exactly,
Speaker 2: And I have the pain of my grandmother, Carmen rest
Speaker 2: in peace, just wind milling on me scrabble. But that's
Speaker 2: how you you know. I think she was very much like,
Speaker 2: don't you know, teach the kid's house really out like
Speaker 2: what it's like out there, so they can, you know,
Speaker 2: rise it. So anyway, shout out wards with friends.
Speaker 1: All Right, Well, my name is Jack O'Brien.
Speaker 4: AKA.
Speaker 1: It's no big secret why jiff O Bunnius doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 1: That was me trying to come up with the equivalent
Speaker 1: of Van Vaught for my name. The AI generated title
Speaker 1: we covered on yesterday's episode. It's no secret. It's no
Speaker 1: big secret why Van Vaught doesn't work anymore with a
Speaker 1: picture of Vince Vaughn. Hey, I is brilliant. It's gonna
Speaker 1: take all our jobs and do them so badly. Anyways,
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co
Speaker 1: host mister Miles grand Mile Gray k.
Speaker 5: Tall and tan and young and lovely. The A I
Speaker 5: called e Banima ai ying and each where she passes,
Speaker 5: each one she passes.
Speaker 2: Go okay, shout out to locker room. He actually put
Speaker 2: dolphin noises, but I just wanted to go just kind
Speaker 2: of take it into our dystopian computer world. For those
Speaker 2: of you remember those old g I Joe PSAs from
Speaker 2: early YouTube, I was taking inspiration from the computer one.
Speaker 1: Damn that was Yeah, that sounded like all the sounds
Speaker 1: just getting blended together. I don't I don't know if
Speaker 1: I caught the store. What is the AI and Banima?
Speaker 1: Is that the name of an Ai.
Speaker 2: I could be? I don't know.
Speaker 1: The reference to a story I didn't know.
Speaker 2: No, honestly, loceroni. Let me know if that is tied
Speaker 2: to something. But you win points because you know I
Speaker 2: love a bit of uh, you know, the Brazilian Boston
Speaker 2: Nova goat, and.
Speaker 1: It got our got our energy in the night. Yes,
Speaker 1: I feel relax. Yes, shoulders are loose, Yeah, shoulders loose,
Speaker 1: head on a swivel. Yeah, hips got honey. So it's time.
Speaker 1: You know what that means. It's time to be thrilled
Speaker 1: to be joining our third See, professor of Alaska Native
Speaker 1: Languages at the University of Alaska Southeast, the host of
Speaker 1: the podcast The Tongue Unbroken from Next The Next Up Initiative.
Speaker 1: Please welcome doctor Hune Lance twitch On.
Speaker 3: Hi, it's me. I'm the problem. I'm colonization. How's it going.
Speaker 3: It's so good to see you guy.
Speaker 1: It's good to have you back.
Speaker 3: You know, someone tried Ai with our thing. It language.
Speaker 3: There was no there's a reporter here in Juno for
Speaker 3: the Juno Empire, and so she had entered a short
Speaker 3: She wrote a short story and then she entered it
Speaker 3: into this thing that that had the Clinquet language as
Speaker 3: an option, and then she sent it to me. She said,
Speaker 3: could you just take a look at this and I said, well,
Speaker 3: those are words, but it's just grabbing words and just
Speaker 3: putting them at random, including my name, like my name
Speaker 3: was in the story like ten times. And so I said, wow,
Speaker 3: it's just complete gibberish. It makes no sense.
Speaker 2: So the computer like from it, from it trying to
Speaker 2: glean information about cling it that it found your name,
Speaker 2: and it's like, okay, so this must also be part
Speaker 2: of the mix. Yeah, yeah, and here we go, here's
Speaker 2: your story. Wait, how didn't you read what?
Speaker 1: It was?
Speaker 3: Truly out of order, just like yeah, salad. Yeah, there's
Speaker 3: a couple of words. But like one of the big
Speaker 3: problems is when you change a verb in our language
Speaker 3: is it changes a lot. And so to be able
Speaker 3: to man you could you could develop something that could
Speaker 3: manufacture stuff in our language, but you would have to
Speaker 3: spend a lot of hours. And so what it seems
Speaker 3: like it did is found a dictionary and just sort
Speaker 3: of grab words but never really looked at what they mean,
Speaker 3: I guess, And so it's just like here's a bunch
Speaker 3: of words, here's a word, salad, and that's your story.
Speaker 2: So you know, task complete. Yeah, I mean that's good
Speaker 2: to get to know that AI is still right now,
Speaker 2: it's only fucking up like English.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, and so, but it's probably coming for everything eventually.
Speaker 3: And so, but maybe maybe there's a world where you
Speaker 3: have someone to talk to. Because with our language, we
Speaker 3: have about forty people left who could speak, so it
Speaker 3: does get pretty scary. And we have a language north
Speaker 3: of us that's called Eyak that lost its last living
Speaker 3: bird speaker. And when she was the only speaker for
Speaker 3: quite a while, she would say, I talked to my TV,
Speaker 3: I talked to the walls. I talk to God, and
Speaker 3: nobody talks to me. So like what we're trying to
Speaker 3: do is like keep that from happening. So I started
Speaker 3: with a Taylor Swift take on a Taylor Swift song
Speaker 3: because I thought, maybe if we can get the Swifties
Speaker 3: and the Beehive on board with decolonization, right, like, they've
Speaker 3: got so much energy and commitment, and so I think
Speaker 3: maybe we'll get somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it definitely makes sense for Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1: I feel like she her career has gone from being
Speaker 1: just like ah shucks.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just kind of a good songwriter to
Speaker 1: like she We've like witnessed her waking up a little
Speaker 1: bit to the complexities of the modern world. So I
Speaker 1: don't know at least private Yeah, you know, which isn't
Speaker 1: isn't that?
Speaker 2: Yes, That's why I got those new albums Private Equities,
Speaker 2: because Taylor's version Baby Private Equity, all lines go back there.
Speaker 1: Even a bro clock you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah serious?
Speaker 1: All right, well who and we're going to get to
Speaker 1: know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 1: we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the
Speaker 1: things we're talking about. We got a couple like word
Speaker 1: doc length tweets truths from Donald Trump, just like freak outs,
Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about that. But the big
Speaker 1: thing we're going to talk about is we finally found
Speaker 1: undeniable evidence that we live in the matrix. This TikTok
Speaker 1: video of a person being frozen, like standing frozen for
Speaker 1: I'd say two seconds, and everyone's like, whoa impossible NPC
Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, but this is this is the whole
Speaker 1: wing of TikTok that we're going to cover, Like the
Speaker 1: glitch talk I think it's called, and just the idea
Speaker 1: that people now that everyone has phones like we are
Speaker 1: able to come into contact with glitches in the matrix
Speaker 1: all over the place, and it's proof that we're living
Speaker 1: in a simulation. And I will talk about that, we'll
Speaker 1: talk about why people want to believe that you might
Speaker 1: talk Avatar Whu Nay. You offered to give us a
Speaker 1: brief Indigenous review of the Avatar Cinematic Universe. So I'm
Speaker 1: excited for that.
Speaker 2: And I mean, just just to tease that, did you
Speaker 2: enjoy it?
Speaker 3: Well, I could do the whole thing right now, because
Speaker 3: it's it's really a two sentence review because you know,
Speaker 3: as as I thought about, I listened to you guys
Speaker 3: show all the time. It's awesome. Thanks for everything that
Speaker 3: you guys do. Thank you Indigenous people's I would say
Speaker 3: in North America, it depends on where you live. It
Speaker 3: might be like one out of every hundred people is indigenous.
Speaker 3: In Alaska is one out of every four, so we
Speaker 3: have about twenty five percent indigenous people. So you guys
Speaker 3: should have one out of every four guests on your
Speaker 3: show be Indigenous or somewhere in between there and one
Speaker 3: out of every hundred. So when Avatar two came out
Speaker 3: the water thing, I was like, oh, maybe they'll bring
Speaker 3: on an Indigenous person to give their perspective about Avatar,
Speaker 3: and I'll give you my perspective, and to be fair,
Speaker 3: I've never seen any of them. But here's my two
Speaker 3: sentence review of the first Avatar. One Indigenous people are
Speaker 3: not blue and two white people did not stop colonization.
Speaker 3: And so I think there's a bit of a fantasy
Speaker 3: world that we see quite a bit, Like it's kind
Speaker 3: of teased and dances with wolves and it's teased, and
Speaker 3: a lot of kind of Native American films that still
Speaker 3: center whiteness. It's like there's this sort of portrayal of
Speaker 3: colonization and white people like fighting against it, right, which
Speaker 3: did happen? But maybe that was like one out of
Speaker 3: every ten thousan yes.
Speaker 2: Right, something like that. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, you'll
Speaker 2: get into it.
Speaker 3: No spoilers in my review though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh I'm going big spoilers.
Speaker 4: We're going deep.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so we'll talk about that plenty more. But
Speaker 1: before we get to any of that, Khune, doctor Twitchell,
Speaker 1: we do like to ask our guests, what is something
Speaker 1: from your search history that's revealing about who you are?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I was going through my search history and
Speaker 3: actually the one thing that I want to look at
Speaker 3: is how many Native American remains human remains are in
Speaker 3: museums and universities. Because I went to a training once
Speaker 3: on this law called NAGPRA, and NAGPRA is the Native
Speaker 3: American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act, And so one of
Speaker 3: the things I think about is when you make a law,
Speaker 3: there's like some reason for it. And so there's a
Speaker 3: great quote by an author named Walter Echohawk who said,
Speaker 3: if you dig up graves, you go to jail, but
Speaker 3: if you dig up Native American graves, you get a PhD.
Speaker 3: And so, you know, I was thinking about this because
Speaker 3: I was at this training because NEKRA does two things.
Speaker 3: One it says you cannot dig up Native American graves,
Speaker 3: right and so low key. When the Queen of England
Speaker 3: passed away, I wasn't trying to be disrespectful, but I
Speaker 3: was thinking, are they going to send parts of her
Speaker 3: to kind of different colonized places because they have lots
Speaker 3: lots of our people in their museums and their stuff.
Speaker 3: But so it says you cannot dig up Native American graves.
Speaker 3: And the other thing that it says is if Native
Speaker 3: American people can identify something in a museum that belongs
Speaker 3: to them. There's they can get it back. It doesn't
Speaker 3: mean they will get it back, but they can get
Speaker 3: it back. And so that's the repatriation part. So I
Speaker 3: was at a training for this and our trainer said,
Speaker 3: and I don't know if he was accurate on this
Speaker 3: after I did some research, but it was still jaw dropping.
Speaker 3: He said, they're about two million Native Americans on the
Speaker 3: earth today, and this is in two thousand and six.
Speaker 3: He said, there are more Native American remains human remains
Speaker 3: in museums and universities than there are walking the earth
Speaker 3: today Jesus Christ. And so I'm not sure if that's
Speaker 3: the accurate thing, but I do know it's well over
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand people. And sometimes it's a brain and
Speaker 3: sometimes it's like a finger, or they would they would
Speaker 3: chop someone up and send them to different parts. Like
Speaker 3: there was someone who resisted people taking their land in
Speaker 3: the East Coast. He was called King Philip, and that
Speaker 3: was the English name that he was given, and he
Speaker 3: was chopped up and sent to like his head went
Speaker 3: to Boston and like his hands went somewhere. And so
Speaker 3: these are some things that I think about because We're
Speaker 3: always trying to get stuff back, and I'm always trying
Speaker 3: to let people know the depth of what colonization is,
Speaker 3: which is why decolonization is a thing to embrace. And
Speaker 3: one of those things is because it's a complete separation
Speaker 3: of people and humanity. And so I think for some
Speaker 3: people they'll say, well, these people are not humans, so
Speaker 3: we could do whatever we want to them because they're
Speaker 3: not Christian, they're not being saved by God, right. But
Speaker 3: the reality is, like I think people separated themselves from
Speaker 3: their concept of being human beings and humanity, and so
Speaker 3: decolonization reconnects the people, the descendants of the folks who
Speaker 3: were making those decisions to take everybody's stuff and keep
Speaker 3: them from speaking their languages and take their children and
Speaker 3: do all this other stuff. So it's not fun stuff
Speaker 3: to google. And so I'll give you like one more
Speaker 3: because someone send me a message said, do you guys
Speaker 3: feel the earthquake? I was like, well, I live in
Speaker 3: Alaska and that was a big earthquake, but it was
Speaker 3: nineteen hundred miles away, so it's about the distance from
Speaker 3: Los Angeles to New Orleans, and so would you feel
Speaker 3: about you know, so call someone in New Orleans say
Speaker 3: did you guys feel that earthquake? And I'd be like, no, bro,
Speaker 3: I was like just sitting here. And so Alaska's a
Speaker 3: big place.
Speaker 1: Is Alaska's fucking huge, isn't it? Like it's the biggest
Speaker 1: state by orders of magnitude. Yeah, like orders of magnitude.
Speaker 1: It's so much bigger than like Texas is way bigger
Speaker 1: than like my brain can possibly wrap itsself around with.
Speaker 1: Like I've driven through Texas. I've like like flown around Texas,
Speaker 1: like gone from one airport to the next, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's like an hour and a half flight. Like that's
Speaker 1: like going from you know, many states over and Texas
Speaker 1: like fits into a corner of Alaska. Alaska is that's
Speaker 1: Alaska on top of the United States. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: the entire Midwest.
Speaker 2: Like eight yeah, it is, right, Yeah, and almost all
Speaker 2: of Florida too. Yeah. If you actually extend it down,
Speaker 2: it's amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big in So yeah, you can go
Speaker 3: nineteen hundred miles and you're still you know, like that's
Speaker 3: just air miles. Like if you just got in a
Speaker 3: little plane and just run for nineteen hundred miles, you
Speaker 3: could still be in Alaska.
Speaker 1: So do you have to be pretty comfortable with getting
Speaker 1: in little planes and flowing or do you do you
Speaker 1: do that?
Speaker 3: Well, my grandma she wouldn't, and so we'd have to.
Speaker 3: You know, we have a ferry system that goes through
Speaker 3: here that's become unreliable and unstable, but it's it's been
Speaker 3: wonderful because you could put your car onto the ferry
Speaker 3: and then you could go because where we live you can't.
Speaker 3: You got like forty miles of road here and that's
Speaker 3: or maybe sixty uh, but you you can go to
Speaker 3: the end of the road in four different spots and
Speaker 3: that's all you can really do. And so for some
Speaker 3: people that gets really tough for them. You can get
Speaker 3: a boat and then you could go somewhere. But we
Speaker 3: do have a ferry where you could put your car
Speaker 3: onto the boat and then you could drive out from
Speaker 3: Skagway or Hanes or go down into Canada. But small
Speaker 3: planes are a thing here, and they are they could
Speaker 3: be pretty scary. So one time I was living in
Speaker 3: Skagway and we had sixty mile an hour gus, you know,
Speaker 3: gusting up to eighty miles an hour. So I called
Speaker 3: the airline, I said, are you guys art flying today,
Speaker 3: are you? Because I'm supposed to go to this little
Speaker 3: town called Petersburg And they said, we're not, but these
Speaker 3: other guys are.
Speaker 1: They're pretty drunk.
Speaker 3: But I said why why and they said, well, oh no,
Speaker 3: it's it's no problem. Like our plane the wings are
Speaker 3: on the top, and they're plane the wings are on
Speaker 3: the bottom, so they could fly in higher winds. And
Speaker 3: I said, okay, I'll call them, and you know, they said,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, well we'll fly. And the wind was blown
Speaker 3: so hard that when that plane took off into the wind,
Speaker 3: it felt like the plane just went straight up in
Speaker 3: the air like a helicopter and then turned around and
Speaker 3: then we just got blown down to Juno, which usually
Speaker 3: takes an hour, but it took us about twenty five minutes.
Speaker 2: You just like lifted up and then rode the stream.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like very close to the ocean, like we fly
Speaker 3: over the ocean. It's wintertime. The ocean's probably about you know,
Speaker 3: forty degrees, so it was Yeah, it was an eye
Speaker 3: opening experience.
Speaker 1: Right, that's so cool. I'm very scared of small planes
Speaker 1: for for some reason, but I've been in like a
Speaker 1: couple of them, and it's they really move around the
Speaker 1: lot up there. Little planes are really Yeah, it turns
Speaker 1: out those things are really going up and down quite
Speaker 1: a bit.
Speaker 3: But yeah, and we got some that land right on
Speaker 3: the ocean right so the floatplanes are here. And so
Speaker 3: the one time I took a floatplane, I went to
Speaker 3: this village called Cassane, which has about forty sixty people.
Speaker 3: Amazing village. And so the first time I was going there,
Speaker 3: I flew to catch a can. So you take a
Speaker 3: larger plane to catch a can. And then I was
Speaker 3: going to get on the small floatplanes. And I get
Speaker 3: on and we take off and we get in the
Speaker 3: air and the pilot turns to me and he says,
Speaker 3: so where's Casan? And I said, hey, you're the pilot. Man,
Speaker 3: Like you are the pilot, you know you need to
Speaker 3: And he's like, is it over by this place or
Speaker 3: is it by that place? I was like, bro, I've
Speaker 3: never been like this is this is literally your job.
Speaker 1: It's just so much more casual. It's like an uber Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he says, how do you want me to go
Speaker 1: to Lax?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think I remember, And he nailed it, he got it, so,
Speaker 3: you know, good on him.
Speaker 2: I just love that kind of confidence. So too, you're
Speaker 2: up in the air. All right, So generally, where are
Speaker 2: we going right now? Okay? Okay, yeah, I got I
Speaker 2: gotta go, got it?
Speaker 1: You are the pilot. What is something do you think
Speaker 1: is overrated?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: So my overrated is using the term western in academics
Speaker 3: and arts to code whiteness. And so people people do
Speaker 3: this stuff like they'll say Western and Eastern, and this
Speaker 3: becomes the sort of one thing or the other that
Speaker 3: you use to talk to, Yeah, like you know, Western
Speaker 3: science and they'll say Western art or Western and use
Speaker 3: and it's it's tough to get Yeah, it's tough to
Speaker 3: get out of because for that if if there's Western
Speaker 3: and Eastern, then what about Africa and what about Native Americans?
Speaker 3: And what where do these things fit? And I think
Speaker 3: it's a way to sort of if we look at
Speaker 3: how colonization entrenches and normalizes certain things, it does it
Speaker 3: through these mechanisms to say, well, if it's not one
Speaker 3: of these things and it doesn't fit, and so it's
Speaker 3: something that we study instead of something that we it
Speaker 3: becomes foundational to our own education. And this is one
Speaker 3: of the reasons why I think people generally don't study
Speaker 3: indigenous peoples. Like, if you graduate high school, do you
Speaker 3: know the name of the people who lived where you
Speaker 3: were or where you are and they're still there? Do
Speaker 3: you know what their language is? You can you name
Speaker 3: five people who have done historically significant things who are
Speaker 3: indigenous to that particular place, you know? And I think
Speaker 3: about these things everywhere I go, you know. And so
Speaker 3: I think about this stuff as well, because colonization is
Speaker 3: forever dehumanizing indigenous peoples. And one time someone asked me
Speaker 3: for an example, I said, well, I went to a
Speaker 3: gathering of high school government leaders from across the state
Speaker 3: of Alaska. So these are probably high performing academic kids
Speaker 3: who are you know, they're young, and so it's not
Speaker 3: on them, but it is on their teachers, and it's
Speaker 3: more so on the system. So I showed him a
Speaker 3: picture of a guy named William Paul, and I said,
Speaker 3: can anybody here tell me who this person is? And
Speaker 3: there's about one hundred to one hundred and fifty people there,
Speaker 3: including teachers from all these different schools, and not a
Speaker 3: single person could tell me who that was. And I said, well,
Speaker 3: this is a clinket man named William Paul. It is
Speaker 3: Clinkett name was Shkundi, and he was the first Native America.
Speaker 3: He's the first Alaskan Native to become an attorney. He
Speaker 3: was the first Alaska Native to become a territorial legislator.
Speaker 3: As an attorney, he gained Alaska Natives the right to vote.
Speaker 3: And he also desegregated schools in Alaska in the nineteen twenties,
Speaker 3: and then he initiated land claims efforts. And I said,
Speaker 3: he did all of that stuff and nobody can usually
Speaker 3: tell me who he is. And I said, could you
Speaker 3: imagine going into a school in like Arkansas and putting
Speaker 3: up a picture of Martin Luther King and if one
Speaker 3: hundred people were there, nobody could tell you who it was.
Speaker 3: And I said, that's what dehumanization is. We don't get
Speaker 3: to be names and people and faces. We just get
Speaker 3: to be this conglomerate of a thing. And so I
Speaker 3: think if you start challenging yourself when you say western
Speaker 3: just like colonial, and then you might sort of say, well,
Speaker 3: that makes me uncomfortable, But then you might sort of
Speaker 3: push your brain towards something that has diversity so that
Speaker 3: you could say, oh, yeah, there's actually like a huge
Speaker 3: plurality of things, and it doesn't have to fit into
Speaker 3: these two boxes.
Speaker 2: Right, Like is Western just being code for the established
Speaker 2: colonial powers of Western Europe? And it's like, well, let's
Speaker 2: let's tighten that up so we don't put that much information.
Speaker 2: And yet to your point about Martin Luther King, I
Speaker 2: mean like I feel like that is the slow pace
Speaker 2: that like American society is kind of moving towards that
Speaker 2: I'd imagine there are people like I would love in
Speaker 2: fifty years to go into a room with one hundred
Speaker 2: people and I put this picture up and they don't
Speaker 2: know who that is, and yeah, yeah, that sort of
Speaker 2: really resonates with how quickly your history can just be
Speaker 2: disappeared like that in an instant, despite like the massive
Speaker 2: contributions of the people that people have made.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is what's something you think is underrated?
Speaker 3: So by underrated, there's a friend of mine named pat
Speaker 3: Race who floated this idea here in Juno and so
Speaker 3: it tax onto this idea of land back and language
Speaker 3: back initiatives, which I think are wonderful, Like if if
Speaker 3: city governments especially could just say, you know what, we've
Speaker 3: got some land here, let's give a certain percentage of
Speaker 3: our land base to the Native American tribe that's here.
Speaker 3: Let's just give it back to the Native peoples because
Speaker 3: there's no legal or rational claim to why people took
Speaker 3: land from Native Americans, you know. And so what are
Speaker 3: the difficulties with federal Indian law is Federal Indian law
Speaker 3: is basically born on this concept that they are not
Speaker 3: human beings, so they cannot own the land. So it's
Speaker 3: it's ours, you know. And plus you add concepts to
Speaker 3: that like manifest destiny, which is basically saying God sent
Speaker 3: us here to save these people, and by saving them,
Speaker 3: we're taking all of their stuff. That's that's what I
Speaker 3: mean by saving that, right, right. And so it's like
Speaker 3: if I came into your kitchen, it was just like
Speaker 3: loading up all your food into a bag and you're.
Speaker 2: Like what you hate?
Speaker 3: What are you doing? Like, well, I'm saving you. I
Speaker 3: am really, I'm helping you out here.
Speaker 2: You don't know how to use this like I do,
Speaker 2: so I'm saving you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you weren't even using this, so you weren't making
Speaker 3: use of it the way I envision how it should
Speaker 3: be used.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So one of the ways that this can can work
Speaker 3: is I don't think land back and language back should
Speaker 3: be just the burden of Indigenous peoples. And so this
Speaker 3: is going to be the really hard part. Is so
Speaker 3: let's say you have a property tax or you have
Speaker 3: a sales tax in your community, so you either raise
Speaker 3: it a bit or you just take a chunk of
Speaker 3: that and say this goes back towards land back and
Speaker 3: language back initiatives, which means when it reaches a certain point,
Speaker 3: we'll work with the local tribal leaders of the Native
Speaker 3: American tribe there and we will let them select a
Speaker 3: parcel of life and to purchase back, and we'll pay
Speaker 3: for it, and we'll say there you go. That's and
Speaker 3: we start accumulating a land base with Native American peoples.
Speaker 3: Because if we look at global warming, if we look
Speaker 3: at the climate crisis, if we look at pollution, if
Speaker 3: we look at all these other things, that there's two
Speaker 3: things that are really on a parallel. This is really
Speaker 3: kind of scary stuff at this particular time. The number
Speaker 3: of species that are going extinct or at such a
Speaker 3: high rate that we'll never know how many species that
Speaker 3: there are right now, but there'll always be less than
Speaker 3: there are right now. The same thing can be said
Speaker 3: with languages. We'll never there's about seven thousand languages, but
Speaker 3: will never actually know how many because they're going extinct
Speaker 3: at a rate faster than we could keep track of them.
Speaker 3: And so if we look at land back and language back,
Speaker 3: so the land back portions like take a chunk of
Speaker 3: money by land, give it to Native American peoples if
Speaker 3: you have land. For example, the town that I was
Speaker 3: born in, Skagway, Alaska, which we call Shuckwey, there's a
Speaker 3: chunk of land that the Catholic Church owned, and the
Speaker 3: Catholic Church had a Native American boarding school there. And
Speaker 3: a boarding school was a place where Native American children
Speaker 3: were sent, usually against their parents will, and they were
Speaker 3: forced to speak English, and they were beaten for speaking
Speaker 3: their own language, and they were usually punished, and their
Speaker 3: labor camps they weren't really given So in some places
Speaker 3: they were given a decent education, but a lot of
Speaker 3: places it was all about assimilation and killing off their
Speaker 3: own culture and language. So if the Catholic Church had
Speaker 3: a bit of a consciousness that was thinking about doing
Speaker 3: the greater good and thinking about what did we do
Speaker 3: in our history that has caused harm, they would have
Speaker 3: contacted the tribe and say we'd like to give you
Speaker 3: this land because it was a boarding school and maybe
Speaker 3: you could build a school on it that will help
Speaker 3: your language, right, But instead they struck a deal with
Speaker 3: the city to say we'll sell it to the city
Speaker 3: and the city will do it on the condition that
Speaker 3: the tribe can never put in a claim that they
Speaker 3: should have that land, right, And so they instead conspired
Speaker 3: to shut the tribe out. And so I think what
Speaker 3: cities should be doing is trying to find land that
Speaker 3: they could give to Native American tribes. Then I think
Speaker 3: they should be taxing the people who live there to
Speaker 3: help them buy land back and defund language revitalization programs,
Speaker 3: because everywhere you go in North America there's probably an
Speaker 3: endangered Native American language, and it's endangered because of colonization.
Speaker 3: So now everyone who benefits from that should be able
Speaker 3: to contribute something to the restoration of these languages and
Speaker 3: the land of peoples.
Speaker 2: It's wild, like you know, right now, I feel like
Speaker 2: there's so many there are these like parallel movements with
Speaker 2: like land back and language back and also talking about reparations.
Speaker 2: And I'd imagine the pushback is probably similar to like
Speaker 2: what you hear about reparations, just like why had nothing
Speaker 2: to do with that? So why do I need to
Speaker 2: And I mean, I get that the situation of what
Speaker 2: racism and chattel slavery is under black people has effects,
Speaker 2: but that had nothing to do with me. And I
Speaker 2: think that's just too much money for one person to
Speaker 2: get it. That's not fair, is that. I'd imagine those
Speaker 2: the same criticisms are levied at any you know, any
Speaker 2: kind of movement or you know, push to try and
Speaker 2: give any kind of land back or is it or
Speaker 2: are people just straight up just kind of being like wait,
Speaker 2: what for who?
Speaker 3: It kind of varies like it depends like that for
Speaker 3: some places you go, like you might have a certain
Speaker 3: number of the population that's kind of they kind of
Speaker 3: get it right. But one of the things I think
Speaker 3: that you were talking about a little earlier is how
Speaker 3: there is a push to just never look at this
Speaker 3: history right, so it's like basically out locked from textbooks.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, I could see a future probably in Florida
Speaker 3: where you say, you cannot say people took land from
Speaker 3: Native Americans, like that's illegal to put into a textbook,
Speaker 3: Like that's probably something that's coming and you cannot say slavery,
Speaker 3: and actually it shouldn't.
Speaker 2: Be kept reading this article, yeah, and.
Speaker 3: I was reading this article says well, you shouldn't say slavery,
Speaker 3: you should just say human trafficking, right, because even the
Speaker 3: term slavery has been just sort of numbed. It's just
Speaker 3: sort of number like, oh, yeah, there was there was slavery,
Speaker 3: you know. And so but one of the things, I
Speaker 3: think there's a push from people who don't want to
Speaker 3: examine these histories to call it like labor, right, they
Speaker 3: were laborers, and so yeah, as we look at reparations
Speaker 3: and we look at land back and we look at
Speaker 3: language back, it's it's difficult to push through people who
Speaker 3: who just want everything to maintain the way it is,
Speaker 3: because they say, I have the privilege, I have the power.
Speaker 3: I mean I consciously think of that, but why would
Speaker 3: I want to share? Because sharing, I think is definitely
Speaker 3: not an American value in terms of like if you
Speaker 3: go back to the forefathers or whatever that people like
Speaker 3: to talk about. I don't think that compassion and sharing
Speaker 3: and helping each other are true value. I think the
Speaker 3: values are really like taking and acquiring and securing your
Speaker 3: own and so one of the difficulties is if we
Speaker 3: don't sort of talk about that, then we have a
Speaker 3: difficult time talking about what the alternative could be, which
Speaker 3: is really to share. And it's sort of like going
Speaker 3: against a billionaire mentality. It's like, hey, you know, you've
Speaker 3: got like so much, maybe maybe you should just stop
Speaker 3: and then let other people get some. But it's it's
Speaker 3: too hungry.
Speaker 2: But it's precisely that thinking that is also the cause
Speaker 2: of so much discomfort that people aren't realizing either, is
Speaker 2: this disconnected is because we live in like the way
Speaker 2: that our values are reflected back to us is you
Speaker 2: get yours, and you get yours and fuck everybody else
Speaker 2: because you've got to get yours. And part of that
Speaker 2: is we feel so disconnected. We feel disconnected from we do,
Speaker 2: We feel disconnected from the places we live. Rather than
Speaker 2: realizing like the best times that if you feel like
Speaker 2: alive is truly like when you feel like you are
Speaker 2: connected to the people around you, to the community, you're into,
Speaker 2: the land you live on, all of the like all
Speaker 2: of those things come together. But yeah, we just like
Speaker 2: live and have such an antithetical mentality to that and
Speaker 2: still are just like, oh god, I hate this damn matrix.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and it's the matrix, right, and it stuck.
Speaker 3: There's nothing we could do shut if we could have
Speaker 3: done something different. And I think another thing that's like
Speaker 3: a subsurface thing is like when we talk about declonization,
Speaker 3: we talk about reparations, and we talk about trying to
Speaker 3: make things a little bit closer to right. I think
Speaker 3: some people think, oh, now it's my turn for slavery.
Speaker 3: Oh now you're going to take my land, right, And
Speaker 3: now you've just been waiting to do this thing to
Speaker 3: me that I know in my brain my ancestors did
Speaker 3: to your ancestors. But it's really that's not the conversation.
Speaker 3: Like when we say decolonization, we're not talking about buying
Speaker 3: tickets for all the white people to leave. You know,
Speaker 3: we're talking about, right, We're talking about decentering whiteness to say, like,
Speaker 3: you know, there could be other things in the.
Speaker 2: Middle, right, And part of that and part of like
Speaker 2: healing not just for the people that have been on
Speaker 2: the shitty end of those transgressions, but for the transgressors,
Speaker 2: is to connect to that humanity and offer a hand
Speaker 2: and say, you know what, my batteries charged at one
Speaker 2: hundred percent y'all's is at like two percent. Let me
Speaker 2: give y'all forty percent, and then we can all kind
Speaker 2: of get to some level where we all feel that
Speaker 2: we're I don't know, at least helping each other. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I totally feel that.
Speaker 1: All right, should we take a break and come back
Speaker 1: and talk about how we're all living in the matrix?
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, bro, hell yeah brother, all right, we'll be right.
Speaker 4: Back, and we're back.
Speaker 2: We're back.
Speaker 1: You know, every once in a while, we like to
Speaker 1: look over at truth social just to see read the
Speaker 1: tea leaves. You don't even have to read the words.
Speaker 1: You just have to like kind of look at the
Speaker 1: sheer like tonnage of text that yeah, Trump is producing
Speaker 1: on truth and you like get the sense that, okay,
Speaker 1: the Richter scale in his brain indicates that an earthquake
Speaker 1: is coming and that an indictment might be on its way.
Speaker 1: So so we're picking up those signals. Yeah, some media
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's you gotta put your ear down. You got to
Speaker 2: see what's going on. We hear rumbling, you know, is
Speaker 2: it gonna be Georgia where the Fulton County da fani
Speaker 2: willis that grand jury investigation seems to be at the
Speaker 2: here's your indictment phase, so could be there. And it's
Speaker 2: been clear for the last couple of weeks that Trump
Speaker 2: has been freaking out over that specific investigation, considering that
Speaker 2: he went all the way to the Georgia Supreme Court
Speaker 2: to essentially like attempt to have Willis disqualified and then
Speaker 2: tried to prevent any of the evidence that was found
Speaker 2: in the grand jury report like being presented to a jury,
Speaker 2: like don't do it, don't let her do it, and
Speaker 2: nothing that she learned can't be presented to anyone during
Speaker 2: a trial. They luckily, the Supreme Court unanimously told him
Speaker 2: to eat fuck. So we have that. So now we are,
Speaker 2: you know, we're in the like we were seeing some
Speaker 2: late night truth social screams, rather this time this kind
Speaker 2: of came in the morning. But he's saying I'm getting
Speaker 2: indicted and it's not quite Georgia time. It sounds like
Speaker 2: Jack Smith has got another one for Trump, and this
Speaker 2: time for trying to subvert the twenty twenty election as
Speaker 2: we all saw. And I'm just we're just going off
Speaker 2: the sheer, like Jack said, the tonnage of this truth
Speaker 2: tweet or whatever truth that he is going to be
Speaker 2: indicted because he always has a freak out pre indictment,
Speaker 2: and rather than like just typing, I guess the character
Speaker 2: count was not set to like I'm so fucked, so
Speaker 2: he had to just export a PDF of a word
Speaker 2: document and upload that and it's so long. I don't
Speaker 2: even know where to start. I don't want to start.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 2: I'll just say, well, on Sunday night, wells with my
Speaker 2: family having just arrived from the Turney point of vanm Florida,
Speaker 2: where I saw straw poll. Like again, it's nonsense. He's
Speaker 2: talking about first paragraph, they love me in the polls,
Speaker 2: and then he finds out horrifying news for our country
Speaker 2: was given to me by my attorneys, the durained Jack Smith,
Speaker 2: the prosecutor for Joe Biden's jeep, blah blah blah, and
Speaker 2: it goes on for like this is only page one
Speaker 2: of the truth. I didn't even put the other fucking
Speaker 2: word doc that he posted. So he's freaking out. But
Speaker 2: again I don't know. I'm like, can one of these
Speaker 2: just fucking stick already? Because it almost feels like the
Speaker 2: more indictments he faces that somehow there's like a higher
Speaker 2: chance of him walking because like the sheer volume of
Speaker 2: is I don't know which woman to do. Man, It's like,
Speaker 2: these are all these indictments. Can't I just go home?
Speaker 2: But I don't know. That's what it feels like. When
Speaker 2: we just see more and more, it's like, yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: and come on, let's get to the fucking find out
Speaker 2: phase please?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, more on that later if we get it.
Speaker 1: He did this, nobody cares, seems to be my concern.
Speaker 1: That's my concern, right that it's just like, but we've
Speaker 1: seen him walk before, And the more of these we
Speaker 1: hear about, the more normalized the fact that a former
Speaker 1: president and you know, the likely Republican nominee is is
Speaker 1: going to be indicted, Like the more that seems normal,
Speaker 1: But like, I don't think that's how the law works.
Speaker 1: Like I think, you know, he's gonna actually have to face.
Speaker 2: We're a victual charges. We're testing the very limits of
Speaker 2: whiteness with these indictments, That's what I do know. And
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens under this stress test if somehow
Speaker 2: his complexion will allow him to subvert elections, steal documents,
Speaker 2: uh and all those other things. Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'll just say if I was the word truth,
Speaker 3: I'm just so pissed off right now.
Speaker 2: I would I would.
Speaker 3: I would sue his ass for just ruining my good name.
Speaker 2: Take a truth.
Speaker 3: Truth social really.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh see that's where we need, Like, wherever there's that
Speaker 2: citizens united case, words need to be people that can
Speaker 2: sue and also have a vote. Yeah, because I would
Speaker 2: love to see truth come around to be like, no,
Speaker 2: this is nonsense, but hey, this is It's a very
Speaker 2: well constructed grift by having your website be called truth. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it's really interesting because like there's so much evidence
Speaker 3: and I think he even said before he was elected,
Speaker 3: like I could shoot somebody in the street and I
Speaker 3: would get away with it, right, And I kind of
Speaker 3: believe that, you know, just because he's white and he's
Speaker 3: a bill you know, a billionaire. He's a rich white person,
Speaker 3: and like they don't always come for them, and so
Speaker 3: but it's starting to stack up and it's starting, you know,
Speaker 3: it's not bad.
Speaker 1: For a long time, there was Yeah, there was an
Speaker 1: implied watch this after he said that, Yeah, right right,
Speaker 1: I could shoot someone and get away with it. Watch this.
Speaker 1: Watch what I'm about to get away with?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be Yeah, it's again we're testing the
Speaker 2: limits of what his privilege can do. But I mean,
Speaker 2: that's why I'm hoping that these are like these aren't
Speaker 2: just like, oh, you dodged your taxes like some white
Speaker 2: collar crime. This is I don't know whatever. Again, I've
Speaker 2: seen this country do all kinds of wacky shit to
Speaker 2: preserve the status quo. So who knows, maybe we will
Speaker 2: see him get a favorable outcome here.
Speaker 1: It's a lot he's gonna need a lot of favorable outcomes.
Speaker 1: It seems to be the direction that.
Speaker 2: Well, he's already begging like the like the court and
Speaker 2: floor to be like, can we just like push my
Speaker 2: documents case to like I don't know, fucking never, like
Speaker 2: literally yeah, they're like, uh no, what do you mean?
Speaker 2: Like cause the judge Cannon was like, okay, we got
Speaker 2: a mid August date, and the DOJ came and said,
Speaker 2: you know what, let's give him four more months. We'll
Speaker 2: do it in December to try and preempt like it's
Speaker 2: too soon thing. And to that he was like, oh no.
Speaker 2: The lawyer's like it's just unprecedented. He's gonna be running
Speaker 2: for it has to be at least after the election
Speaker 2: or who knows, you know, if ever, but you know
Speaker 2: he's trying.
Speaker 1: It is interesting. I do feel like he is particularly
Speaker 1: vulnerable now because his entire career is built on him
Speaker 1: doing blatantly illegal stuff, just being like no, I won't
Speaker 1: pay you, then getting into legal battles with people and
Speaker 1: just dragging it out and like winning via pure shamelessness
Speaker 1: and being wealthy privileged enough to you know, outspend outspend
Speaker 1: the person. I feel like we're probably seeing something happen
Speaker 1: like where he seems as isolated from reality as probably
Speaker 1: he's ever been because he just spends his entire day
Speaker 1: getting his ass kicked by people who think he's somewhere
Speaker 1: between like a business genius and a like godhead messiah, right,
Speaker 1: And so I do feel like he's pretty vulnerable at
Speaker 1: this point, and like the the legal strategies that he's
Speaker 1: coming up with seemed to be things that are just
Speaker 1: like based I'm wishful thinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or it's like that moment I remember, like when
Speaker 2: my mom would be like, you're gonna get pimples from
Speaker 2: eating so much sugar, because like I would break out
Speaker 2: a lot when I was a kid from eating like
Speaker 2: That's why my mom was like, have you been like
Speaker 2: sneaking a bunch of sugar? Because then I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: I don't know. And for a while I was able
Speaker 2: to eat a lot of sugar and not have my
Speaker 2: face break out. And I remember that moment happened. It
Speaker 2: was causing like I feel, I don't know if this
Speaker 2: is like Donald Trump. But then you're like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: I'm mortal to a much lesser degree and I'm just
Speaker 2: talking about my skin.
Speaker 1: An that's so funny. My dad thought soda caused his
Speaker 1: acne when he was in He.
Speaker 2: Was like like Boomer loom right, yea. Everyone was like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're gonna get pimples from sugar.
Speaker 1: Working at this grocery store when I was twelve and
Speaker 1: I got free soda pop and then like, you know,
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of acne because I was drinking
Speaker 1: too much soda.
Speaker 2: How old are you twelve? Okay? And then maybe that
Speaker 2: was around puberty.
Speaker 1: Also, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: Puber what no Huber? Not that all right?
Speaker 1: Well, we like to feel like we're in control of
Speaker 1: our own breakouts, don't we. We like to think that it's,
Speaker 1: you know, something we're doing to cause it we like
Speaker 1: to feel like we're in control of our reality. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's a new trend trend on TikTok that is
Speaker 1: convinced that we're all living in the matrix. I watched
Speaker 1: these videos and immediately saw the appeal. So I am
Speaker 1: I am target demo for this. I'm like, hell, yes,
Speaker 1: this is what the Internet was built for. Feed me daddy.
Speaker 2: It's this this clip of a woman crossing a street
Speaker 2: looks like in the UK, and there's a moment where
Speaker 2: she just freeze frames in the middle of her stride.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I'm on board with this. Her ponytail seems
Speaker 1: to freeze in the air.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which to me, I would say reeks of doctored video, right,
Speaker 2: Like they froze the frame and then ken burns effect
Speaker 2: within that frame to make it look like there was
Speaker 2: camera movement impossible. I don't know. That's just me with
Speaker 2: my like production nerd hat on and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: see how you do this because like it. I get
Speaker 2: that there's a car that goes by in the foreground,
Speaker 2: which sort of like anchors this idea that this person
Speaker 2: has like mid stride been put on pause. But I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: She also does a weird thing with her step after
Speaker 1: where she like it looks like she was frozen, like
Speaker 1: she got like a Charlie horse or something. And then
Speaker 1: do you see what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah, she
Speaker 1: like kind of like does a weird like loping thing
Speaker 1: with her next step after the being frozen.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Or it's like you got your foot stuck in something.
Speaker 2: It kind of looks like you're regaining your balance after
Speaker 2: you got your foot stuck in something. You're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: just trying to balance yourself out. I don't know. Again
Speaker 2: to slitched out.
Speaker 1: Like this on the air, then Justin just has to
Speaker 1: edit around it where I just freeze for like thirty
Speaker 1: five to forty five minute.
Speaker 3: I've been on plenty of Zoom calls and I see
Speaker 3: people freeze all the time. So you know, what do
Speaker 3: you think is this? I think it's been confirmed. So
Speaker 3: I just want to write to the great coders who
Speaker 3: are out there programming the Matrix if you could just
Speaker 3: put more indigenous content in there, like just throw some
Speaker 3: of my language out there, just make it, you know,
Speaker 3: just alter this reality, because this reality is you know,
Speaker 3: I'm going to give it two thumbs down and just say,
Speaker 3: you know, we gotta do a little bit better on
Speaker 3: what we're experiencing in terms of indigenous peoples and colonization,
Speaker 3: Like so, can you just run the decolonization program, run,
Speaker 3: just take a winter key on that one, and then
Speaker 3: let's just try and see and let people freeze, let
Speaker 3: them freeze, let them, let them glitch out. As long
Speaker 3: as we're decolonizing, that's all I really care about. So
Speaker 3: in that case, you know, send send. I don't know
Speaker 3: what the Indigenous version of the Keanu Reeves character was.
Speaker 2: It neo neo could be.
Speaker 3: The people asked me sometimes how to translate this stuff,
Speaker 3: like how would you say the one? It's like, you
Speaker 3: know that like I'm not going to work in our language,
Speaker 3: you know, like you could just say yeah, weight take
Speaker 3: like the one. It doesn't work. It works good in English, right,
Speaker 3: So we had a lot of that, like single word
Speaker 3: concepts people say, like can you translate freedom? You know,
Speaker 3: and like, well, you know, like our concept of freedom
Speaker 3: is litally different, you know, because and so you got
Speaker 3: to have a lot of concepts of freedom, I think
Speaker 3: in America, because you've had a lot of slavery and
Speaker 3: you've had a lot of stealing of other people's stuff,
Speaker 3: and so I think freedom becomes this huge thing to
Speaker 3: live by. So to the coders, more indigenous stuff, just just.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have studio notes. Yeah exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, I mean it could be anything. It could be,
Speaker 1: you know, a neurological condition this person suffers from. Because
Speaker 1: the person says like they were frozen like that for
Speaker 1: a minute, that the walker could be doing a performance
Speaker 1: art thing, or most likely it's an intentional trick, or
Speaker 1: even more likely, it is proof that we live in
Speaker 1: the matrix and it's a glitch and everything is frozen.
Speaker 1: There's no way to know. But this is an entire
Speaker 1: genre of TikTok video that I'm now fascinated with. There's
Speaker 1: another one that went super viral where a plane appears
Speaker 1: to just be like frozen in mid air and the
Speaker 1: text on the video said, another plane flew past minutes before.
Speaker 1: So I know for a fact it didn't move.
Speaker 2: And that's proof because the person's text in the video
Speaker 2: exactly what the fuck? Okay, sure, because you said, so
Speaker 2: it's been like this for seven thousand years. Has it moved?
Speaker 2: Someone care to explain? Still there?
Speaker 1: And you can take that to the bank. Also, as
Speaker 1: we've already discussed, on this episode, Like sometimes a plane
Speaker 1: does just kind of hang out up there because the
Speaker 1: wind at that height is incredibly fast, and you know,
Speaker 1: you're like, the plane is going the equivalent of like
Speaker 1: three hundred miles per hour because the wind is like
Speaker 1: going against it at like two hundred and fifty miles
Speaker 1: per hour or whatever.
Speaker 2: Nah, jackets floating, come on, then try to throw water
Speaker 2: on this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the simulation theory, which yeah, you know, this has
Speaker 1: been a thing in science fiction forever, but the one
Speaker 1: that has gotten popular recently where it's like, and I
Speaker 1: think I heard this before two thousands, because like the
Speaker 1: people credit it to the Oxford philosopher Nick Bostrom in
Speaker 1: the early two thousands, but I think it's been around
Speaker 1: for way before that. I mean, the matrix came out
Speaker 1: in the nineties, didn't.
Speaker 2: It isn't he also effect of altruism Bostrum.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Bostrom is also a right idea.
Speaker 2: This guy's an idea.
Speaker 1: And he's also like on Wax being just a straight
Speaker 1: up racist.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: Openly like saying the N word in an email race.
Speaker 2: It was a list Serve Jack from the list Sir
Speaker 2: that I think was his defense. He's like, it was
Speaker 2: not me, it was the list serve.
Speaker 1: So it's annoying that you know, an idea that it
Speaker 1: is fun to play with, the idea of that you're
Speaker 1: living in a simulation is goes back to this racist
Speaker 1: piece of shit. But it's it's also like, definitely, you know,
Speaker 1: a symptom of something like that, this is the reality
Speaker 1: that we choose to kind of or the model of
Speaker 1: reality that I think a lot of people are Like
Speaker 1: that actually makes sense to me. It makes sense to
Speaker 1: me if I just like started noticing like birds glitching
Speaker 1: out in mid air.
Speaker 2: Because.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I must live in a computer simulation there and
Speaker 1: therefore because I just I think people feel isolated, yeah,
Speaker 1: from their reality, from the system that.
Speaker 2: Hey, teenage assholes, teenage assholes on TikTok. It's not a
Speaker 2: fucking simulation. You're just experiencing the fucking ills of capitalism
Speaker 2: destroying everything around you. Okay, Like you think of like
Speaker 2: the nature of the fucking quote what work is right,
Speaker 2: Most people do not have the benefit of doing work
Speaker 2: that is connected to something they fucking give a fuck about,
Speaker 2: or even making something that they feel is meaningful that
Speaker 2: or does good in the world, like I mean, few
Speaker 2: people have that benefit as they toil or work or
Speaker 2: whatever you want to fucking call it, and because of that,
Speaker 2: we feel isolated as shit. We feel like cogs in
Speaker 2: a machine or in the case of the matrix, those
Speaker 2: little fucking battery cells that everybody's in individualized where your
Speaker 2: whole purpose as life forms is to generate energy or
Speaker 2: capital for larger system. So I totally get why you
Speaker 2: saw the matrix once and now you're like, this explains
Speaker 2: what I'm living now, and it must be the matrix,
Speaker 2: rather than trying to actually begin to break out of
Speaker 2: this fucking frigid paradigm of like what we consider work
Speaker 2: or freedom or what we like how we even live,
Speaker 2: because we can't live in a normal way, Like we
Speaker 2: can't just enjoy the world around us. We don't have
Speaker 2: leisure because everything is fucking private property, or you need
Speaker 2: money just to fucking afford to live or have medical
Speaker 2: care or breathe air basically, so it's dystopian, And of
Speaker 2: course people want to find a way to break out
Speaker 2: of the simulation. But the answer seems pretty simple here, like,
Speaker 2: especially when you hear people investing money into being like,
Speaker 2: figure out how we break out of this simulation. I'm
Speaker 2: a billionaire. What what? Yeah? No, no, come on, fam,
Speaker 2: that ain't it.
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: There are evidence that people are pointing to a bird
Speaker 1: crossing the skyline but its wings are turned down. There's
Speaker 1: one where they're like, look at these sheep. They've been
Speaker 1: standing completely still for like an hour. It's like as
Speaker 1: opposed to what but they like playing music over it?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I kept playing cards?
Speaker 2: Aren't they like? Aren't they playing Nintendo Switch?
Speaker 4: That?
Speaker 2: That ship looks so boring? Fam, you know what's wild?
Speaker 2: I'm I fell victim to that because I asked on
Speaker 2: Twitter because I there is like a person with like
Speaker 2: a horse nearby, and I see like this horse just
Speaker 2: like chilling, you know, like all day by by themselves,
Speaker 2: and I was like, damn, that shit kind of fucked up,
Speaker 2: And I asked on Twitter. I'm like, yo, do horses
Speaker 2: get bored? Please let me know, because I don't know
Speaker 2: this fucking people like, No, they're they're fine, They're good here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but again that does play on my version of like
Speaker 2: they're as smart as me, and you would be so
Speaker 2: bored and you probably want to know what's happening on
Speaker 2: TV and I should be telling you. Oh, it sucks
Speaker 2: to be a horse.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: There's also a trend on glitch talk with people being
Speaker 1: like someone's stealing my utensils. I'm down to one fork.
Speaker 1: I just found a haven the cup even though I
Speaker 1: only bought a set of six.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, they never come for the butter knives.
Speaker 3: I'll just say that, like you butter knives actually multiply.
Speaker 1: Thirty.
Speaker 3: I got thirty, I got four forks, six spoons.
Speaker 2: Do you own currently own a butter knife? Just a
Speaker 2: quick check of the room, does it people still own
Speaker 2: like that? Like very specific, like flat, like it almost
Speaker 2: looks like a little butter knife.
Speaker 1: I just can't water the knife, like the one that
Speaker 1: cut that I put out at dinner when we're setting
Speaker 1: the table, a butter knife.
Speaker 3: Like when you get a silver ware set, it comes
Speaker 3: with like a little fork, big fork, the knife, big spoon,
Speaker 3: and then the knife the butter knife thing. Yeah, wait,
Speaker 3: what's the butter knife?
Speaker 2: What do you call the.
Speaker 1: Knife that has the little it's like smooth at the
Speaker 1: top and.
Speaker 2: Hold on, what's a knife?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: Hold on? A butter knife? What the fuck? Oh wait,
Speaker 2: you just meaning the one that has like like a round,
Speaker 2: more rounded edge at the end, it's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's got like little ridges. You can't really.
Speaker 2: But like I think about like the first set that
Speaker 2: most young people have, which is like that Ikea. Fucking
Speaker 2: you buy that whole silver war set of Ikea that
Speaker 2: doesn't have a rounded edge.
Speaker 3: Is it sharp? Is it cut?
Speaker 2: I mean you can't stab with it, but like you
Speaker 2: can cut chicken and like with it. I wouldn't you know,
Speaker 2: And like maybe tender other tender meats.
Speaker 3: Yeah they got yeah, they got some. That's some serious silverware,
Speaker 3: I think, because like what I get, like you get
Speaker 3: like a butter knife. It can't cut butter, right, maybe
Speaker 3: you could cut some bread. You're gonna saw that bread up,
Speaker 3: You're gonna kay.
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm thinking. Like this one here, like
Speaker 2: the most they call it, I guess a spreader. That
Speaker 2: makes sense because it got that big flat yeah, big
Speaker 2: tip on.
Speaker 3: The end, oh for like your fish spread. But you
Speaker 3: were calling this a butter knife, that's that's a butter knife.
Speaker 1: That is what Google is calling a Oh it's calling
Speaker 1: it a inner.
Speaker 3: Knife, an inner knife, Get out of town.
Speaker 1: You call it a dinner knife, Miles, I don't even
Speaker 1: know in my mind a butter knife Okay, here's the
Speaker 1: other thing. What is the one that I call a
Speaker 1: butter knife to you in your head? What is the word?
Speaker 2: What is this? That's just like a shitty dinner knife
Speaker 2: sty dinner knife? Yeah, because like it ain't steak, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like, yeah, that's always had just
Speaker 2: it was meant to spread and like that's just like
Speaker 2: if you need to cut some shit. Oh and the
Speaker 2: other reason I'll tell you is in Japan, like when
Speaker 2: you buy like a like a container of like soft butter,
Speaker 2: it's like built for you to put a little butter
Speaker 2: knife in. So like a lot of Japanese homes have
Speaker 2: like a butter specific butter spreader. Mm hmm. But again
Speaker 2: that's I'm like, are we here to even this whole
Speaker 2: fucking matrix thing? But came in It was a definition
Speaker 2: of a spreader versus a knife.
Speaker 3: Okay between the three of us, yeah, we may have
Speaker 3: figured this out.
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, well I would even throw the different colored
Speaker 1: dresses and the green needle space whatever into the thing
Speaker 1: where it feels like that was when those two things happened,
Speaker 1: everyone was like we live in the matrix, like this
Speaker 1: is glitching out. How do you see a black and
Speaker 1: blue dress, I see yellow and white. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: I find this stuff interesting. I mean, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think it means we live in a simulation.
Speaker 2: No, I think it's just it's only a sign that
Speaker 2: people are are, you know, becoming more aware of the
Speaker 2: disconnect that they feel, and they're just trying to make
Speaker 2: sense of it, and they lack the vocabulary or tools
Speaker 2: to like articulate it in a way that makes sense.
Speaker 2: And all we have are fucking movies and Elon Musk
Speaker 2: tweets for a certain generation. So when he starts, when
Speaker 2: everybody's aboutetting red pilled and shit, they're like, yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: that shit's real good. I don't know, Like, who know
Speaker 2: what do you think of? Like, I feel like this
Speaker 2: is all part of, like in the last times you've
Speaker 2: come on to to talk about how disconnected we are,
Speaker 2: especially from like where we live and our surroundings, and
Speaker 2: like how that's part of like being able to like
Speaker 2: in a way make a step towards like decolonizing the
Speaker 2: way we live. Because I feel like this is this
Speaker 2: is like this is a perfect example of how we've
Speaker 2: completely colonized our own minds into thinking this is the
Speaker 2: one way that society and the economy can function.
Speaker 1: That is a great question, Miles. And let's hold that
Speaker 1: thought and we'll take a quick break and we'll carry
Speaker 1: it back and we're back, and so do I repeat
Speaker 1: that question?
Speaker 2: Yeah? But like I was saying, no, like, and I
Speaker 2: think if you didn't just skip ahead, the point being
Speaker 2: is I think there's there's a lot of like you've
Speaker 2: you've spent a lot of facts every time you've come on,
Speaker 2: but that have really made me think about how much
Speaker 2: the way that we this like our societies were built
Speaker 2: in this country was built, how much it affects us now,
Speaker 2: how much it poisons us now to the point that
Speaker 2: we have no connection to each other, community, to land,
Speaker 2: and things like that. I'm do you see this as
Speaker 2: part and parcel of that disconnect or is there is
Speaker 2: there another way you're looking at it? Well?
Speaker 3: So, I guess I think of a couple of things.
Speaker 3: One is, when I was going to school in Hawaii,
Speaker 3: I was living with one of my teachers named Larry Kimura,
Speaker 3: who we call him the godfather of the Hawaiian language movement.
Speaker 3: He's just he's an amazing person, and at one point
Speaker 3: he was just he kind of started going off about
Speaker 3: these people wearing these shirts that say Aloha Aina, which
Speaker 3: is like love the land. And he says, you love
Speaker 3: the land, show me your fingers you got you got
Speaker 3: dirt underneath your fingernails. Have you been out working in
Speaker 3: the land. You've been digging, You've been planting stuff, You've
Speaker 3: been doing stuff. And so for me, I think, if
Speaker 3: if the world starts glitching out, go out on the land, right,
Speaker 3: just go go see what's out there, and and go
Speaker 3: get your hands dirty. And then I also sometimes I
Speaker 3: have theories that maybe people don't want to hear. So
Speaker 3: I was in a class on American literature and the
Speaker 3: theme of the class was paranoia and that this sort
Speaker 3: of culminating moment in the class. This was for an
Speaker 3: MFA and creative writing, and the teachers who was really
Speaker 3: he was a great guy, and he said, well, why
Speaker 3: do you guys think there's so much paranoia in American literature?
Speaker 3: And this person had an answer, and that person had
Speaker 3: an answer, and that person had an answer, and I
Speaker 3: raised my hand I said, well, I think it's because
Speaker 3: America stole everything from Native American people's and they're just
Speaker 3: kind of waiting for their comeup.
Speaker 1: Ins.
Speaker 3: And I also think that it's you can really geek
Speaker 3: out on sci fi theories and stuff, so you don't
Speaker 3: have to assume that your ancestors did something really horrible.
Speaker 3: And so I think if people say, no, this is
Speaker 3: all part of this larger program that we have no
Speaker 3: control of, I think it's another system to avoid doing
Speaker 3: the work that it's going to take to sort of
Speaker 3: start moving towards a sense of equity which is totally attainable,
Speaker 3: which is totally possible. But I think colonizations sets up
Speaker 3: all of these mechanisms like either like it's it's already
Speaker 3: in place, it's too late to do anything, it's this
Speaker 3: thing or that thing, or the limitlessness of resource extraction
Speaker 3: and the absolute limit of budgets and time and energy, right,
Speaker 3: and so it just sort of gets you trapped into
Speaker 3: these systems. So for me, I'm always, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: always paranoid that something is racism, and I'm always paranoid
Speaker 3: that something is colonization. And I'm usually right, but I'll
Speaker 3: also say, you know, so that's my matrix that I'm
Speaker 3: stuck in, you know. So sometimes I'll be dealing with
Speaker 3: something I was like, is this a colonization thing, or
Speaker 3: is this a race? Like am I getting Am I
Speaker 3: getting treated different because of you know, my name or
Speaker 3: because of who I am or how I look? Are
Speaker 3: my kids being treated different? And so I'm always sort
Speaker 3: of I'm paranoid myself, right, But I'm also I have it,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't have TikTok channel for it, but
Speaker 3: I've been right quite a few times with this kind
Speaker 3: of stuff. So for me, I think it's fascinating and
Speaker 3: it's neat to look at, and like I have friends
Speaker 3: who've seen UFOs, and I have friends who've seen we
Speaker 3: have our own monsters here that live in the woods.
Speaker 3: We went camping last weekend and it's fun. It's it's
Speaker 3: a blast. Like we're in Alaska. You can just walk
Speaker 3: out your door and you're in the wilderness. But that means,
Speaker 3: you know, the dog starts barking. You're cooking some delicious
Speaker 3: dinner out in the middle of nowhere in the dark.
Speaker 3: Well it's not in the Milan Nore but far from
Speaker 3: you know, a hospital. Yeah, and the dog's barking and
Speaker 3: looking down the trail and you're like, grab all the food,
Speaker 3: get in the cabin, you know, because there's probably, you know,
Speaker 3: like we respect the grizzly bear so much that we
Speaker 3: got two names. Like so hoots is what we would
Speaker 3: call it, so it means brown bear, and we say
Speaker 3: it's eke for black bear. But the brown bear is
Speaker 3: the one that's it owns the forest and we know that.
Speaker 3: But when we're out in the forest, we say yet
Speaker 3: see neat, which means a living thing. So we don't
Speaker 3: even say its name when we're out there, because we're like,
Speaker 3: you say it's name, it's going to be like you talk, yeah,
Speaker 3: call me. Wait, you're in my house. And so we
Speaker 3: talk to them before we go into the woods, and
Speaker 3: we sort of live this life that's pretty connected to
Speaker 3: the natural world. So I think the other thing too,
Speaker 3: is there's a fascination with an artificial world because there's
Speaker 3: a prescribed disconnect with the natural world in order to
Speaker 3: maintain a sense of colonization and economics the way that
Speaker 3: it's required today, like you have to be separate from
Speaker 3: it to say, yeah, cut all the trees down, yeah,
Speaker 3: like kill off all those buffalo you know, like this
Speaker 3: these mountain lions scare me, so just murder them, right,
Speaker 3: and so, but in order to do that, you have
Speaker 3: to remove yourself, which you know, Christianity kind of did
Speaker 3: that already. It's like man has domain of everything, including women, right,
Speaker 3: and it just creates tons and tons of problems because
Speaker 3: I think human beings and especially we just narrow it
Speaker 3: down to one gender, don't have enough skills and ability
Speaker 3: to like manage the universe. It's sort of like, actually,
Speaker 3: you should just be in the universe and figure out
Speaker 3: how you're part of that, because you're not. You're in
Speaker 3: the food chain, you're you're in You're in all these circles,
Speaker 3: you're in all these cycles, and what you do affect
Speaker 3: all of these things. And so I like the conversations.
Speaker 3: I think it's fun. I think it's fun to watch
Speaker 3: this stuff. You're like, oh, yeah, that is weird and
Speaker 3: that's pretty cool. But you can also zoom in on
Speaker 3: your iPhone. It starts to get pretty grainy, and then
Speaker 3: it's probably pretty easy when you got.
Speaker 1: To share his camraigns in my house, what the fun
Speaker 1: I think? I mean, I think that kind of ties
Speaker 1: nicely into just you know, if you have any additional
Speaker 1: thoughts on Avatar, but like the reality of you know,
Speaker 1: what we're doing to the world and other humans and
Speaker 1: the history of what you know, white people have done
Speaker 1: to the world and other human beings is maybe too
Speaker 1: uncomfortable for some people to take in and they want
Speaker 1: to create an artificial reality. In the case of the Matrix,
Speaker 1: it's like just coming coming up with a system of
Speaker 1: belief that like we are in an unofficial reality. But
Speaker 1: in the case of Avatar, it's like creating an unofficial,
Speaker 1: like an artificial reality that you can go live in
Speaker 1: for a couple hours that also like rewrites that history
Speaker 1: where you get to like be on the good guy side,
Speaker 1: on the on the side of the victimize the people
Speaker 1: being victimized by colonialism. Like I do think Avatar is
Speaker 1: really interesting just as a phenomenon, because I don't, like,
Speaker 1: I can't think of another cultural, pop cultural thing that
Speaker 1: was that is as successful as that those movies when
Speaker 1: they're happening and then as completely embarrassing the second they
Speaker 1: stop happening, Like like it happened once with the first
Speaker 1: Avatar and everyone's like, man, that was weird, and like
Speaker 1: Avatar was like a punchline. But then they did again,
Speaker 1: like you brought you brought Avatar two out, and every
Speaker 1: everyone went to fucking see that one too, and like
Speaker 1: they are the two of the three most top grossing
Speaker 1: movies of all time, but like nobody would put a
Speaker 1: movie poster of that movie up except ironically, And so
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think there's like a weird disconnect.
Speaker 1: And then we also have the thing where like people
Speaker 1: were experiencing depression after they came out of the movie
Speaker 1: because they couldn't just like experience that reality around the clock.
Speaker 1: So it's definitely filling a need that people have, but
Speaker 1: one that is disconnected from their mind in a way
Speaker 1: that like makes it unique where they can't like kind
Speaker 1: of incorporate it into their lives the way they can
Speaker 1: a Star Wars or something like that, where they make
Speaker 1: it part of their personality. Like it just feels like
Speaker 1: Avatar is this thing that is an experience. The then
Speaker 1: you like try not to think about when when you're
Speaker 1: not at an Avatar movie or something. But yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: curious to hear your thoughts on Avatar.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think largely there's this fascination with
Speaker 3: white savior films, you know, and so dances with wolves.
Speaker 3: What was the one dangerous something whether there's like a
Speaker 3: white school teacher who goes into dangerous minds. Yeah, a
Speaker 3: black neighborhood, and you know, and and like, there are
Speaker 3: certainly stories of people who come in and embrace community
Speaker 3: and become part of it and become something different and
Speaker 3: do fight racism and fight colonization, you know, but it's
Speaker 3: it's very rare, especially when they like they win or something.
Speaker 3: And so I started to think about this stuff quite
Speaker 3: a bit. And then there's a film called Real Engines
Speaker 3: which is spelled r e E l I n j
Speaker 3: u n s, which is a documentary on the history
Speaker 3: of Native Americans and film, and it kind of goes
Speaker 3: through a number of different sort of scenarios and at
Speaker 3: one point it talks about all these different white actors
Speaker 3: who have played Native Americans, and so there's a growing
Speaker 3: list of you know, well, you know, there's quite a
Speaker 3: few of them who have played Native Americans. And then
Speaker 3: you also just get really interesting things like there's a
Speaker 3: guy I think his name was Ironized Cody or Cody Ironized,
Speaker 3: I can never remember which way it goes, but he
Speaker 3: played so many Native Americans and films that he full
Speaker 3: on believed he was Native American when he died. And
Speaker 3: to some extent, I think his children do as well,
Speaker 3: and so like he can assume this entire identity. And
Speaker 3: so I think there's a fascination with that to think
Speaker 3: about what if there was something different. But then there's
Speaker 3: a disconnect as well, because you don't really see that
Speaker 3: embraced in people's reality, because if they come out of like,
Speaker 3: let's say they came out of Avatar and said, whoa like,
Speaker 3: I should learn an indigenous language, and I should go
Speaker 3: contribute to a land back initiative, and I should actually
Speaker 3: do something that's embracing decolonization. Because the film, you could argue,
Speaker 3: is about decolonization, right, it's a totally fictionalized decolonization, and
Speaker 3: so you could like if it translated into real action,
Speaker 3: that would be more interesting to me than just sort
Speaker 3: of saying, well, you know, it's a nice fantasy to say, oh, yeah, well,
Speaker 3: what if we had actually done something a lot more
Speaker 3: humane instead of taking everything from everybody? Because if you
Speaker 3: look at some things, like we talked a bit about
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court, who is all kinds of fucked up,
Speaker 3: like just the types of things that they're doing, these
Speaker 3: decisions are horrible and they're just destructive for movements towards equity,
Speaker 3: but the one thing they couldn't do is dismantle the
Speaker 3: Indian Child Welfare Act, you know. And so the reason
Speaker 3: why the Indian Child Welfare Act exists is because in
Speaker 3: the mid to late nineteen seventies, one out of every
Speaker 3: four Native American children were removed from their homes and
Speaker 3: placed with white families. In addition, one out of every
Speaker 3: four Native American women were sterilized without their full consents.
Speaker 3: Like this kind of stuff was still happening, and so
Speaker 3: the removal of people and so like the other thing,
Speaker 3: I think there's a fascination with the idea that colonization
Speaker 3: had an endpoint or it had like we're in this
Speaker 3: post colonial sort of world, which we're not, and we
Speaker 3: could be, but it requires a consciousness that's going to
Speaker 3: move you beyond going to a movie for two or
Speaker 3: three hours and completely immersing yourself in this other idea
Speaker 3: and just saying, actually, we can have a reality that
Speaker 3: is kind of close to the Avatar universe, which you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not opposed to that reality, but what I'm opposed
Speaker 3: to is the idea that it exists, or that going
Speaker 3: to the movie is somehow enough.
Speaker 2: Right, right, Yeah, Yeah, it's funny too, because it like
Speaker 2: to your point, if you're not coming out of the
Speaker 2: movie being like, wow, we got work to do, then really,
Speaker 2: then I don't know how good it's doing because most
Speaker 2: people come out of that movie and be like, why
Speaker 2: is it Pandora Real? Why can't you go? So the
Speaker 2: message was maybe like secondary or tertiary to like the Wow,
Speaker 2: isn't this shit fucking cool? Anyway? Like then there's like
Speaker 2: some other shit happens to these blue people whatever.
Speaker 1: I came out and inspired to be seven foot six
Speaker 1: because that does help with balance, it turns out, yeah,
Speaker 1: and too well, who knows such a pleasure having you
Speaker 1: back on the show. Where can people find you? Follow
Speaker 1: you all that good stuff?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, I have a podcast called The Tongue Unbroken and
Speaker 3: season two is launching in November, so we're going to
Speaker 3: launch during the start of the Native American Heritage Month.
Speaker 3: And the Next Up Initiative is fabulous and I really
Speaker 3: encourage you to just go check it out. It's the
Speaker 3: Next Up Initiative with the iHeartRadio and look at the
Speaker 3: current this whole new generation of Next Up Initiative folks
Speaker 3: who are coming out and I'm really excited to hear
Speaker 3: their podcasts and to be a part of this movement
Speaker 3: where we're trying to find voices in the margins and
Speaker 3: pull them closer to the center so you can find me.
Speaker 3: I'm sometimes on Facebook, sometimes on Twitter, although Twitter has
Speaker 3: gotten a lot less interesting as.
Speaker 1: They would have to be.
Speaker 3: Oh, you know, this billionaire bought it and like h
Speaker 3: and now his tweets just keep popping up, like you know,
Speaker 3: and so I tried to mute one of his tweets
Speaker 3: and says, this will make Twitter a better experience for you,
Speaker 3: and I was like, it will actually make Twitter a
Speaker 3: better experience for everybody if we saw a lot less
Speaker 3: of that voice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been.
Speaker 1: Getting a lot of AI ads that are just like
Speaker 1: really insulted, like here, I just screenshok. One crazy thing
Speaker 1: happened with askdata dot co today, still in shock. I
Speaker 1: was troubleshooting with a customer on zoom and you'd just
Speaker 1: gotten his person and it's like keep reading meat day
Speaker 1: to get it done. And it's like a promoted post
Speaker 1: for fucking some bullshit. They're all over the place. Anyways,
Speaker 1: I'm glad I interrupted for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The other thing I really want to promote is just
Speaker 3: indigenous language revitalization. So if you're not familiar with what
Speaker 3: the Hawaiian Language Movement day is, or a Jibwe or
Speaker 3: a Mohawk or the sale is of Spokane, go look
Speaker 3: at what they're doing. Like it's very possible. So on
Speaker 3: the Tongue Unbroken, we like to talk about how do
Speaker 3: you do it? How do you take these steps? If
Speaker 3: you have a thousand speakers left, if you have ten
Speaker 3: speakers left, if you have no speakers left of your
Speaker 3: indigenous language? What kind of steps could you possibly take?
Speaker 3: And we like to invasion a world where we dream
Speaker 3: the impossible dream and we get back to a place
Speaker 3: of strength, which takes action, which takes courage, which takes determination,
Speaker 3: and also takes a ton of self analysis. Like colonization
Speaker 3: isn't just about people creating a bunch of harm to people.
Speaker 3: It's like also the indigenous people internalizing that harm and
Speaker 3: then hurting each other, which we we got a lot
Speaker 3: of work to do with that as well.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 1: Is there a work of media social media that you've
Speaker 1: been enjoying?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's two. There's one that's really just
Speaker 3: funny where there was a girl who gets in a
Speaker 3: car on Instagram and says like, I worked ten hours.
Speaker 3: All I want is Wingstop fucking drive hurt.
Speaker 1: I mean, we get the audio real quick of that,
Speaker 1: he said, I'm the email, let's watch it just comes in,
Speaker 1: enters the car on but it's a mass and this
Speaker 1: guy like puts it to a metal song and it's
Speaker 1: it's a brilliant piece of social media.
Speaker 2: Yeah, stop fucking drive.
Speaker 1: Her phone are dying in the background and they're like, yo,
Speaker 1: we just picked her up.
Speaker 3: It's just such a brilliant mashup. And then I think
Speaker 3: the second one was on TikTok. There's a Maori just
Speaker 3: a wonderful explanation of what decolonization is and isn't because
Speaker 3: a lot of people they get really scared of that word.
Speaker 3: But I think we don't need to be scared of
Speaker 3: that word. I think we need to understand what people
Speaker 3: are saying. And it's not the removal of whiteness. It's
Speaker 3: not going back to some pre contact state. Because sometimes
Speaker 3: when we talk about decolonization, people are like, well, and
Speaker 3: give me the keys to your car and your fucking phone, right,
Speaker 3: And it's like, no, that's not what we're talking about. Like,
Speaker 3: it's a lot more complex than that, and I think
Speaker 3: this clip explains it really well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, colonization is lists about returning to a pre colonial
Speaker 6: societ and more about recognizing that we live under a
Speaker 6: colonial system, that things are the way they are not
Speaker 6: by accident, but because a particular ideology has systematically erased
Speaker 6: others while normalizing itself. Once something is normalized, it's hard
Speaker 6: to imagine anything else.
Speaker 1: We become confined.
Speaker 6: Within that particular ideology, and then the mindset of hmm,
Speaker 6: it's always been this way starts to creep in, and
Speaker 6: then the origins of the colonizers, which in our case
Speaker 6: was a very violent one, can be forgotten. We start
Speaker 6: sweeping things under the rug, and that's why many people
Speaker 6: are confused by things like the Maldi Health Authority and
Speaker 6: even Ewie settlements. And so when we're able to recognize
Speaker 6: these structures through what will be a never ending process
Speaker 6: of decolonization, it helps us move forward towards a society
Speaker 6: which doesn't just straw inspiration from a diversity of spaces,
Speaker 6: but is also self aware.
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