WEBVTT - Election Recap: Did America Just Pivot? 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:03.520 Native lampod is a production of iHeartRadio and partnership with 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:11.480 Reason Choice Media. All right, what's up, everybody, it's your 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:15.240 favorite podcast, Native Lampard and I'm Andrew Gillam sharing this 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:19.799 wonderful stage with my beautiful co host Angela Rye. Butcari Sellers. 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:25.520 Angela Rye, Oh again, two of you're such a big personality, 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:27.680 a tivity Cross. Do it over? 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:29.360 No, we're not doing it. 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:31.640 We're not doing it over because at dinner last week, 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:33.720 I want you to know, Tiffany Cross looked me dead 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:35.160 in the face, dead in the face. 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:40.080 You said, Andrew, what you ordered? What you order? You know, 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:41.720 we're not doing it over, you know. 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:45.880 Like this, And I was like, what's the problem. I 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:48.839 didn't even realize, I said, he flipped me off, y'all. 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:51.360 And listening, she flicked everybody off. 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:55.360 Just in that case, we will not be doing your 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:59.720 introductions over. But this is episode one and four and 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:03.520 I I am here with TeV Bacari and Angela Raie 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:07.200 and we're happy to be with you as we recount 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:12.440 the days of passing future. And more importantly, we've got 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:15.720 some I think some great content coming up, y'all. What's 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:17.640 on your mind, Angela, tiff. 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:21.760 Well, for me, I mean I just think that that 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:24.559 Democrats had an amazing week. I mean, you can't count 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.240 a race that Democrats lost in the elections. But what 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:30.840 are the lessons that we take from them? 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:31.960 Can you repeat them? 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:34.959 I think my answers no, but we'll see what happened 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:36.960 ansteresting what you got. 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:40.280 I also want to talk elections. 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:43.280 I had the opportunity this week to sit down with 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:46.920 our vice president. My vice president still because I don't 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:50.760 know about this new one, Kamala Harris, she toured to 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:54.360 Seattle in the Pacific Northwest. So happy to highlight that 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:56.320 briefly and whatever else y'all want to talk about. 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:58.840 I'm ready for That was big news, and we're gonna 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:00.720 hit that more. We're not gonna glance so that, Tiffany, 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:02.080 what do you have landing the plane? 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:04.600 I'm really excited to talk to our guests. We have 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.000 a guest today, Karine Jean Pierre, who had the privilege 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:08.880 of being the first black woman and takes the podium 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:13.200 at the White House doing those daily press briefings. So 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:15.640 I have a lot of questions for her, but also 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.720 excited to hear from you. Listening at home and watching 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:20.720 at home. We have a couple of viewer questions that 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:21.440 I'm excited to do. 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:24.840 Yeah, me too, I'm excited about those your questions as well. 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.840 One of them I think a little bit refreshing, off topic, 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:32.480 different topic, rather but important. Nonetheless, those sound good, y'all. 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:38.720 So let's get into this thing, all right, y'all. We 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:40.720 tell you at the top of the show that we're 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.680 gonna have a very very special guest. And here she is, 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:50.120 indeed the history making first time African American woman to 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:53.240 serve as Press secretary, the voice, the representative voice on 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.560 a daily basis, coming into your homes and radio and 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.560 wherever else she can pour it into. On behalf of 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.280 the President of the United States, Joe Biden. I think 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:06.519 got her start in the White House under President Barack Obama, 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:12.400 and now Miss Jean Pierre is a published author. I 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:14.320 met her back when during her days that move on, 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:18.359 I think it was, and then and then organizing days 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:22.519 when we all work together, and now we are a privileged, privileged, 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:26.600 privileged to welcome you to this platform. Native Lampard, Welcome 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:30.120 Karine Jean Pierre, Thank you so much. 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:34.880 Hello, Hi everybody, Thank you for having me, and congratulations 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:35.880 on the expansion. 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:42.360 Yeah, we we have added a fighter ever since she 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.520 joined us, you know, having us in fights. 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:47.920 No, I just think I think I think she was 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:51.360 using an expansion with just the most positive, positive tone. 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:55.560 Pos Your season is not over here exactly. 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.440 I mean, we literally won elections last night because of 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:01.000 my addition. 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:01.920 But we'll talk about that. 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:04.760 Oh, thank you, Jesus, Thank you Jesus. 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:06.560 Now we went from Beyonce Jesus. 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:14.600 All right, all right, we are. But in case you forget, 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:16.680 his name is Bacar, you can always call him. 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.200 Yeah, that's what he saw this. He was the Beyonce 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:22.800 of the crew. 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:25.719 Listen, we're here now, we're here now with great success. 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:31.440 Is that so you're talking about like the jealousy on you. 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:33.400 You know what, we can have a whole episode about this, 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:34.720 you understand. Thank you. 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:38.640 Finally somebody that you know, I didn't expect that the 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.120 first black woman press secretary we joined the podcast with 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:42.080 missing disinformation. 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:47.800 It's least not a press secretary that was that wasn't 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:49.400 working for trumpsation. 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:50.000 That's right. 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:52.320 I'm just trying. I'm just trying. 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.600 We got some questions, We got some questions. Force. 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:57.159 We know you have a business schedule. 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.239 We want to hop right into this interview. 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:02.680 Andrew, I know you want to us well what I 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:04.560 want to let you and the throes of it all, 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:08.560 because I know you've done a million interviews and led 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:12.360 a million and all kinds. I'm very curious in the 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:16.960 book touring experience up to this point, what are you 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:21.279 most surprised has not been dug further into that you 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:24.679 thought when writing you'd be able to eliminate more attention. 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.880 That's such a good question because yes, I talk about 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:32.599 a particular period of time during last year, which you know, 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:34.880 which I talk about in a very personal way. Yes, 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:39.120 I make a big announcement about my political affiliation. But 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:43.640 there is a chapter about black women called Sisterhood. By 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.200 the way, I mentioned Angela isn't in there, and I 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:48.520 talk about the state of the people and everything that 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:50.919 she's doing there and when with black women. So I 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.360 have a chapter called Sisterhood on black women. It's like 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:55.520 my love letter to black women and everything that we 0:05:55.600 --> 0:06:00.159 have done for the party, for this country, for our community. 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:02.760 And I talk about Australia Chisom, I talk about some 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:07.200 of the most impressive heroic black women over a time 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:09.360 that have opened the doors for all of us. I 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:12.159 have a chapter of misinformation disinformation, I have a chapter 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.920 on the media, and a good part of the book 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.960 is really how to move forward. And there is a 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:22.800 misconception I am not telling people to not get involved. 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:27.120 I'm actually trying to push people to get involved. And 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.080 the way that I'm trying to it's nuanced, and I 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.880 know people don't like nuances nowadays, but the book is 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:33.880 very nuanced. 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:35.000 What I'm pushing for is. 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:38.400 To people to be independent thinkers and to think about 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:42.880 the moment that we're in differently. Because there's misinformation, because 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:46.400 we have to fact check, because everything is sitting on 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:50.920 us as private citizens who should be engaged in our 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:55.520 civic process to get it right, to make sure that 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.000 we are educated in a way that we are able 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:01.200 to make decisions. And so right now in this moment, 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.960 it is very difficult. The political discourse is such that 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:08.120 it's hard to break through. It's hard to get information. 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:10.480 And one of the things that I have been doing 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:13.520 on this book tour is talking to young people, and 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.840 they've been tough conversations. Don't get me wrong, young people, 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.080 I don't think we give young people credit enough because 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.720 they are paying attention and they're very aware of what's 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.960 going on in this moment. Their thing is their disillusion 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.960 and don't know how to like how to really move 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:33.120 through this moment that we're in. And my message to 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:36.679 them is find find it, get involved, And I actually 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:40.000 really want them to run or get involved in the 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.640 electoral process because we need their voices now because we 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:47.520 have to. We're gonna have to rebuild everything that's been undone, 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:50.160 and we can't rebuild it the same way. So there's 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:54.200 this other message of how do we reimagine. 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:55.320 The future for all of us. 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:57.600 So those are the pieces that I was hoping that 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.440 I can talk about, but it just varies. It just 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:04.440 obviously that's not what people want to hear or where 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:04.840 it goes. 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.240 Well, certainly that's not that's not where. 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:11.600 The interview interviews with the interviews, not with people out there. 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:14.000 In the world right right right what there was a 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.239 lot said and a lot a lot that's been interesting, 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:19.480 and very rarely do we get to hear really directly 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:23.120 in such quick order after an administration some of the 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:25.640 inside and so I know you, I know you can 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.760 imagine why folks are are more curious about certain pieces 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.920 others I know, And so I'm going to yield the 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:35.000 Florida some of my more my more curious colleagues and 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.360 and we'll have a conversation. Angela, I think you uh 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:38.080 teat up. 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:43.640 I wanted to touch base just on elections. So this 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:47.720 week there was a very consequential election in states that 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:51.199 some folks would find surprising, Mississippi, from Mississippi to Virginia. 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.120 I know that Virginia in particular was a nail bier 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:56.760 for a lot of people who do organizing work on 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:57.160 the ground. 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:58.360 And I wonder how. 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:02.440 You feel these are election results square with your perspective. 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:05.560 There are a number of people who are saying, you know, 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:08.920 this doesn't mean anything about the Democratic Party, that people 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.079 just want the opposite of whatever's in now, and they 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.480 wanted to make that statement. There are others who say 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.240 this shows that the Democratic Party is going in the 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:20.200 right direction. That doesn't necessarily square with your book. There 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:23.199 are a lot of folks. Even on our podcast, we 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:27.120 were asked what political party affiliation we all have, and 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:30.560 I think at least three of us said we vote Democratic, 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:32.600 but right now are feeling a little more independent minded 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.680 it's not because of how Joe Biden was treated. 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.599 And so I wonder from. 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:41.560 You, you know how you think that these election results 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:44.640 square with the premise of your book and where you 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:45.559 think the country is going. 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:47.880 It's so funny because I I'm so glad you asked 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:49.760 that question, because I've been thinking about that, right. I've 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:52.360 been looking at the results from up and down obviously 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.319 across the country and up and down the East Coast, 0:09:55.960 --> 0:10:00.120 and look, I think what is important here is that 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.319 people are coming out. They're making their voice very loud 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.440 and clear, and I think both can be true in 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.679 what you just stated, and what I mean by that is, 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:14.199 I think folks have been so disillusioned with the Democratic 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:16.280 Party that they went into their community, they find other 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.559 ways to get involved, and they are feeling as if 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:21.840 they felt as if, Okay, I'm going to use my 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:24.960 voice and I know there's important local election here and 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:26.960 I'm going to get involved in That doesn't mean that 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:29.760 they are not disillusioned and didn't look what was happening 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.480 on the national level and didn't think, Okay, that's not 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:34.880 happening there. I'm going to do it here. And I 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:37.719 do think for Democratic Party more broadly. There is an 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:42.520 opportunity here. There's an opportunity with the wins from last night, 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:46.240 there's a lesson to be learned. You had Mum Donnie, 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:49.760 who is a Democratic socialist, who showed I think a 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.680 way I haven't seen what he's been able to do 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.800 in a long time, in a long time. When he 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.880 participated in the Democratic primary, nobody knew who he was, 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:04.560 and he built a grassroots organization. He went out to 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:07.480 the subways to people and talked to them directly, and 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:10.880 young people got involved, and young people were like, you 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:12.679 know what, I like this guy, and they got involved 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:16.400 in they voted for him in a primary in an 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.360 off year election. And I do think the way that 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:25.000 the Democratic leadership responded to him that only hurts us. 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.080 And I'm not saying and I'm not talking about his 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:29.480 politics or his policies. I'm talking about the way that 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.600 he was able to excite and expire and that's something 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:36.199 that Democrats can learn from, the leadership can learn from. 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:38.480 And so I think it was a misstep that they 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:40.439 did that. But on the other hand, you look at 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:44.960 New Jersey and you have the a CIA agent who wins, 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:49.880 and so I think that shows the diversity of the party. 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:53.600 I think it shows that it is important that we continue, 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.920 for me, continue to talk to how you can be 0:11:57.000 --> 0:12:01.400 independent thinkers and get results and that and that was 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.160 one of the things that made me really upset with 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:07.600 the party. It's a big tent party for a reason. 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:10.199 It's a big tent party because we're supposed to have 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:13.680 different voices. We're not supposed to all agree with each other. 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:17.800 That's what makes it interesting. But we have values that 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.439 matter to all of us. And so when you start 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:24.040 shrinking that big tent, then people want to not they 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.920 don't feel like they're being represented. And that's what I 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:30.240 was seeing in the beginning of this year. I didn't 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:33.720 see any fight. I heard, you know, like talking points 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:37.960 pull tested talking points about you know, throwing certain people 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.160 in the party under the bus. That was a problem 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:44.319 for me, you know, and so I wanted to see 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.480 more from the party, and I was hearing from people 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:49.840 that I would go to the supermarket, I would go 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:53.000 to the airport. That felt as if they were being 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:56.440 left out of the conversation, as felt as if the 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.320 leadership was letting them down. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:00.640 Thank you Korean. 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:03.160 I just in this one quick follow up it is 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:07.880 that in this you brought up Mmdannie Chuck Schumer didn't 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.280 endorse Mamdani. Joe Biden, I think was silent on most 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:14.120 of the races. And so I'm curious even as you're 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.880 saying like this, there's this more independent free thinking that 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.440 you're wanting to gravitate towards, but you're still saying we 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:25.520 right like You're like, I know, So I'm curious where 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:27.960 are you where you find your politics now in this 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:31.160 big ten and maybe now outside of this tent, where 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.160 do you find yourself aligned? 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:33.480 Right? 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:33.679 Like? 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.160 And then where where is that home? Is there a home? 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.000 Certainly you're welcome home on Native Lampid, but aside from that, 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:40.760 you know, where is that home for you? 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:41.040 Now? 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:43.120 So look, I mean a couple of things I have 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:45.400 said in the book, and I've said this out loud, 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.600 which is I'm aligned with the Democratic Party. That is 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:51.320 not that is not changed. I wanted to start a 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.800 conversation and I'm using my platform to do that. This 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:58.480 is an experiment and it's also nuanced and what it 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.520 has it started a conversation. And I'm also trying to 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:05.200 speak for people who I have heard from, and that's 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.480 what I'm trying to do. I'm never going to vote 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:09.720 for Republicans, and I've said that very loud and clear. 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:14.040 If anything, I really want people, young people in particular, 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:16.760 to get engaged and to get involved. When you look 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.680 at the Democrat sorry, when you look at Independence, there 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.920 are millions of people who are independent, millions, and there's 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:27.120 a growing number of young people who are becoming independent. 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:31.120 And the message that should send to all of us 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.480 is that there are folks who do not feel like 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.840 they're being represented by Democrats or Republicans, and when there's 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:42.160 a most primary process, they're closed out. So there is 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:45.640 something fundamentally wrong here that we have to figure out 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:49.720 and fix. And the two party system to me right 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:53.080 now isn't working because you have our democracy that's at stake. 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:55.720 And in Polyscia I learn in order to have a 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.840 democracy that's working, the two party system needs to work. 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.720 And you have party that's completely lost, and then you 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.720 had a party that you didn't see any fight. You 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:09.000 didn't see any fight, and so that is a problem 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.760 to me. And so what we need to do, and 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:15.160 what I think we saw in yesterday's last night's result 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.320 is that the people are speaking out. This should be 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.720 about the people. And they're being very clear and they're 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.800 not They're not saying, oh my gosh, you know, you know, 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:28.040 they're not saying mcdonnie's the leader. They're saying, no, we 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:31.480 can be independent thinkers in our own spaces. And we 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:33.840 see the moment that we're in and it is important 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.320 to get out and vote, and we have to do 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:39.120 our job. And obviously there's a lot of you know, 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:42.080 craziness going in in the White House that people are 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:46.480 reacting to. They are reacting to this, and so that's 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.720 what I am seeing, and that's what I see the 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:51.920 issue and the problem with the system. 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:52.680 That we have right now. 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:56.160 I mean, if we have got in order for us 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:58.680 to get out of this situation, it's going to take 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.960 some time. We need young people to engage and we 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.200 got to meet them where they are right now. 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:06.200 And that's what I'm trying to do. 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:10.240 Okay, I'm actually going to see my time to Tiffany. 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:13.520 She was she's the journalist of the crew. My communications 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:16.240 degree is in talking shit in the barbershop, so I 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.720 know that she has some in depth, in depth questions 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:20.200 about your book. I do want to come back to 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:22.040 the end of the night, but I wanted to see 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:23.240 my time because I know you're busy. 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:24.760 To Tiffany, no, thank you. 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:30.520 Sorry, Hey, hi, so I because of time, I've had 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:33.000 like so many highlights in your book after reading. I 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:34.440 have to tell you, I read it in one sitting, 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.720 because you go through and highlight the policies that you 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:39.960 align with and where you stand. And so I had 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.360 one opinion about it reading all the reviews, and then 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:44.640 when I read it, I had a thousand more questions. 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:47.360 But I'll sew you what struck me specifically, Korean, and 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.600 that is, you are really critical of the media, and 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:51.520 I will tell you I echo all of those concerns. 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:55.320 I share that here on NLP Weekly, and you go 0:16:55.400 --> 0:17:01.480 through specific examples. My frustration with these examples the White 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:05.000 House as a gatekeeper in terms of who we have 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:08.760 access to, who talks to who, And you know I 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:11.680 would see constantly, particularly with the Joe Biden White House, 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.520 in every administration, you saw a lot of officials go 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:19.080 on mourning Joe. That platform has average about five hundred 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:24.080 to seven hundred thousand viewers, and they have a certain perspective, 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:27.159 a perspective that leans to the comfort of white people. 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.320 Yet Joy read our sister, our friend, and Karina and 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.959 I are friends. In transparency, she would have two million viewers. 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.520 It was impossible to get somebody from the White House 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.679 on her platform. I had more viewers than Morning Joe. 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.720 It was impossible to get somebody from the White House 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:46.119 on our platform. What was your role as press secretary 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:50.680 in giving access to where viewers actually gathered? And what's 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:54.119 your advice to candidates now trying to navigate that same course. 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.399 I think it's it's two things that you just you 0:17:57.480 --> 0:17:59.639 just laid out things that we had issues with. I 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:01.560 would year from folks and be like, why can't we 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:04.880 get an interview? And look, those decisions were made from 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:07.760 the com side. I think one things that people don't understand, 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:09.840 like the press and the comms were very different, and 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:13.240 we did different things in our approach and what we well, 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.560 you know, what we executed was very different, and so 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:20.680 those decisions came outside of me, above me on who 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:22.159 certain people would talk to. 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:24.240 But I think it was a problem. I do. 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:26.679 I think that we needed to do a better job 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:32.360 in taking tough questions from tough reporters like yourself. 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:35.160 Journalists who were going to help us hold us into account. 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:41.119 Right, and that is something that we that I acknowledged, 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.640 that is something that some of us brought up and 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:46.520 it just was 'nable to make happen. 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:47.960 One of the things that we did. 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:51.000 Try to do was the podcast and try to stay 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:54.320 away from the cable, stay away from the broadcast because 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.120 the podcast, as you all know, have a lot more reach. 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:00.560 And so that is a decision and a direction that 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:01.560 we did go. 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:05.040 But look, we didn't do it things perfectly. 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:07.840 Every administration has this type of issue of like who 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:09.879 who are they going to have their principle talk to, 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:12.000 what does it look like? And a lot of it is, 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:15.080 you know, protecting their principle, doing our jobs and making 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:19.680 sure that that happens. And that's you know, certainly part 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:23.680 of part of the way that that operation works inside 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:26.199 of government, inside of a White House. I mean, one 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:29.000 of the things that I appreciated from example, Mom, Donnie 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:31.720 and some others is that they talk to everybody. They 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:34.359 really went out and you know, talk to everyone and 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.080 had real conversations. But it is an issue that you 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:40.520 have seen in many administrations, is protecting It's almost like 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:44.000 you feel as if okay now or in government and 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:47.159 governing is really hard, and it is there's a sense 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:50.560 of putting the walls up and protecting and protecting your 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:51.720 you know, your. 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:56.240 Candidate given what you're describing, because candidates often make themselves available, 0:19:56.240 --> 0:20:01.240 but what you're differing exact uh and elected official from 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:04.720 the people who will hold him accountable, you know, from journalists, 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:06.560 from their constituents. And I think a lot of that 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:08.840 happens is because the people who fill those roles often 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:12.560 don't look like us. They're often, you know, white people 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:15.720 who don't always know the value or the landscape of 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:18.439 a more diverse media landscape. I want to follow up 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.639 because you also describe a working relationship that you had 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:23.560 in the White House that I think many black women 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:26.800 across the country you can certainly relate to, where you know, 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:29.920 you get this position, you're historic, you're taking that podium 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:32.600 for the first time, and there was someone above you, 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:34.639 and you describe this person should have been a mentor, 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:37.760