Speaker 1: Native lampod is a production of iHeartRadio and partnership with
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Speaker 1: favorite podcast, Native Lampard and I'm Andrew Gillam sharing this
Speaker 1: wonderful stage with my beautiful co host Angela Rye. Butcari Sellers.
Speaker 1: Angela Rye, Oh again, two of you're such a big personality,
Speaker 1: a tivity Cross. Do it over?
Speaker 2: No, we're not doing it.
Speaker 3: We're not doing it over because at dinner last week,
Speaker 3: I want you to know, Tiffany Cross looked me dead
Speaker 3: in the face, dead in the face.
Speaker 2: You said, Andrew, what you ordered? What you order? You know,
Speaker 2: we're not doing it over, you know.
Speaker 4: Like this, And I was like, what's the problem. I
Speaker 4: didn't even realize, I said, he flipped me off, y'all.
Speaker 5: And listening, she flicked everybody off.
Speaker 1: Just in that case, we will not be doing your
Speaker 1: introductions over. But this is episode one and four and
Speaker 1: I I am here with TeV Bacari and Angela Raie
Speaker 1: and we're happy to be with you as we recount
Speaker 1: the days of passing future. And more importantly, we've got
Speaker 1: some I think some great content coming up, y'all. What's
Speaker 1: on your mind, Angela, tiff.
Speaker 3: Well, for me, I mean I just think that that
Speaker 3: Democrats had an amazing week. I mean, you can't count
Speaker 3: a race that Democrats lost in the elections. But what
Speaker 3: are the lessons that we take from them?
Speaker 2: Can you repeat them?
Speaker 3: I think my answers no, but we'll see what happened
Speaker 3: ansteresting what you got.
Speaker 5: I also want to talk elections.
Speaker 6: I had the opportunity this week to sit down with
Speaker 6: our vice president. My vice president still because I don't
Speaker 6: know about this new one, Kamala Harris, she toured to
Speaker 6: Seattle in the Pacific Northwest. So happy to highlight that
Speaker 6: briefly and whatever else y'all want to talk about.
Speaker 1: I'm ready for That was big news, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: hit that more. We're not gonna glance so that, Tiffany,
Speaker 1: what do you have landing the plane?
Speaker 4: I'm really excited to talk to our guests. We have
Speaker 4: a guest today, Karine Jean Pierre, who had the privilege
Speaker 4: of being the first black woman and takes the podium
Speaker 4: at the White House doing those daily press briefings. So
Speaker 4: I have a lot of questions for her, but also
Speaker 4: excited to hear from you. Listening at home and watching
Speaker 4: at home. We have a couple of viewer questions that
Speaker 4: I'm excited to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, I'm excited about those your questions as well.
Speaker 1: One of them I think a little bit refreshing, off topic,
Speaker 1: different topic, rather but important. Nonetheless, those sound good, y'all.
Speaker 1: So let's get into this thing, all right, y'all. We
Speaker 1: tell you at the top of the show that we're
Speaker 1: gonna have a very very special guest. And here she is,
Speaker 1: indeed the history making first time African American woman to
Speaker 1: serve as Press secretary, the voice, the representative voice on
Speaker 1: a daily basis, coming into your homes and radio and
Speaker 1: wherever else she can pour it into. On behalf of
Speaker 1: the President of the United States, Joe Biden. I think
Speaker 1: got her start in the White House under President Barack Obama,
Speaker 1: and now Miss Jean Pierre is a published author. I
Speaker 1: met her back when during her days that move on,
Speaker 1: I think it was, and then and then organizing days
Speaker 1: when we all work together, and now we are a privileged, privileged,
Speaker 1: privileged to welcome you to this platform. Native Lampard, Welcome
Speaker 1: Karine Jean Pierre, Thank you so much.
Speaker 7: Hello, Hi everybody, Thank you for having me, and congratulations
Speaker 7: on the expansion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we we have added a fighter ever since she
Speaker 1: joined us, you know, having us in fights.
Speaker 3: No, I just think I think I think she was
Speaker 3: using an expansion with just the most positive, positive tone.
Speaker 1: Pos Your season is not over here exactly.
Speaker 3: I mean, we literally won elections last night because of
Speaker 3: my addition.
Speaker 2: But we'll talk about that.
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you, Jesus, Thank you Jesus.
Speaker 5: Now we went from Beyonce Jesus.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, we are. But in case you forget,
Speaker 1: his name is Bacar, you can always call him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what he saw this. He was the Beyonce
Speaker 5: of the crew.
Speaker 2: Listen, we're here now, we're here now with great success.
Speaker 7: Is that so you're talking about like the jealousy on you.
Speaker 2: You know what, we can have a whole episode about this,
Speaker 2: you understand. Thank you.
Speaker 6: Finally somebody that you know, I didn't expect that the
Speaker 6: first black woman press secretary we joined the podcast with
Speaker 6: missing disinformation.
Speaker 1: It's least not a press secretary that was that wasn't
Speaker 1: working for trumpsation.
Speaker 8: That's right.
Speaker 4: I'm just trying. I'm just trying.
Speaker 5: We got some questions, We got some questions. Force.
Speaker 4: We know you have a business schedule.
Speaker 5: We want to hop right into this interview.
Speaker 1: Andrew, I know you want to us well what I
Speaker 1: want to let you and the throes of it all,
Speaker 1: because I know you've done a million interviews and led
Speaker 1: a million and all kinds. I'm very curious in the
Speaker 1: book touring experience up to this point, what are you
Speaker 1: most surprised has not been dug further into that you
Speaker 1: thought when writing you'd be able to eliminate more attention.
Speaker 7: That's such a good question because yes, I talk about
Speaker 7: a particular period of time during last year, which you know,
Speaker 7: which I talk about in a very personal way. Yes,
Speaker 7: I make a big announcement about my political affiliation. But
Speaker 7: there is a chapter about black women called Sisterhood. By
Speaker 7: the way, I mentioned Angela isn't in there, and I
Speaker 7: talk about the state of the people and everything that
Speaker 7: she's doing there and when with black women. So I
Speaker 7: have a chapter called Sisterhood on black women. It's like
Speaker 7: my love letter to black women and everything that we
Speaker 7: have done for the party, for this country, for our community.
Speaker 7: And I talk about Australia Chisom, I talk about some
Speaker 7: of the most impressive heroic black women over a time
Speaker 7: that have opened the doors for all of us. I
Speaker 7: have a chapter of misinformation disinformation, I have a chapter
Speaker 7: on the media, and a good part of the book
Speaker 7: is really how to move forward. And there is a
Speaker 7: misconception I am not telling people to not get involved.
Speaker 7: I'm actually trying to push people to get involved. And
Speaker 7: the way that I'm trying to it's nuanced, and I
Speaker 7: know people don't like nuances nowadays, but the book is
Speaker 7: very nuanced.
Speaker 8: What I'm pushing for is.
Speaker 7: To people to be independent thinkers and to think about
Speaker 7: the moment that we're in differently. Because there's misinformation, because
Speaker 7: we have to fact check, because everything is sitting on
Speaker 7: us as private citizens who should be engaged in our
Speaker 7: civic process to get it right, to make sure that
Speaker 7: we are educated in a way that we are able
Speaker 7: to make decisions. And so right now in this moment,
Speaker 7: it is very difficult. The political discourse is such that
Speaker 7: it's hard to break through. It's hard to get information.
Speaker 7: And one of the things that I have been doing
Speaker 7: on this book tour is talking to young people, and
Speaker 7: they've been tough conversations. Don't get me wrong, young people,
Speaker 7: I don't think we give young people credit enough because
Speaker 7: they are paying attention and they're very aware of what's
Speaker 7: going on in this moment. Their thing is their disillusion
Speaker 7: and don't know how to like how to really move
Speaker 7: through this moment that we're in. And my message to
Speaker 7: them is find find it, get involved, And I actually
Speaker 7: really want them to run or get involved in the
Speaker 7: electoral process because we need their voices now because we
Speaker 7: have to. We're gonna have to rebuild everything that's been undone,
Speaker 7: and we can't rebuild it the same way. So there's
Speaker 7: this other message of how do we reimagine.
Speaker 8: The future for all of us.
Speaker 7: So those are the pieces that I was hoping that
Speaker 7: I can talk about, but it just varies. It just
Speaker 7: obviously that's not what people want to hear or where
Speaker 7: it goes.
Speaker 1: Well, certainly that's not that's not where.
Speaker 7: The interview interviews with the interviews, not with people out there.
Speaker 1: In the world right right right what there was a
Speaker 1: lot said and a lot a lot that's been interesting,
Speaker 1: and very rarely do we get to hear really directly
Speaker 1: in such quick order after an administration some of the
Speaker 1: inside and so I know you, I know you can
Speaker 1: imagine why folks are are more curious about certain pieces
Speaker 1: others I know, And so I'm going to yield the
Speaker 1: Florida some of my more my more curious colleagues and
Speaker 1: and we'll have a conversation. Angela, I think you uh
Speaker 1: teat up.
Speaker 6: I wanted to touch base just on elections. So this
Speaker 6: week there was a very consequential election in states that
Speaker 6: some folks would find surprising, Mississippi, from Mississippi to Virginia.
Speaker 6: I know that Virginia in particular was a nail bier
Speaker 6: for a lot of people who do organizing work on
Speaker 6: the ground.
Speaker 5: And I wonder how.
Speaker 6: You feel these are election results square with your perspective.
Speaker 6: There are a number of people who are saying, you know,
Speaker 6: this doesn't mean anything about the Democratic Party, that people
Speaker 6: just want the opposite of whatever's in now, and they
Speaker 6: wanted to make that statement. There are others who say
Speaker 6: this shows that the Democratic Party is going in the
Speaker 6: right direction. That doesn't necessarily square with your book. There
Speaker 6: are a lot of folks. Even on our podcast, we
Speaker 6: were asked what political party affiliation we all have, and
Speaker 6: I think at least three of us said we vote Democratic,
Speaker 6: but right now are feeling a little more independent minded
Speaker 6: it's not because of how Joe Biden was treated.
Speaker 5: And so I wonder from.
Speaker 6: You, you know how you think that these election results
Speaker 6: square with the premise of your book and where you
Speaker 6: think the country is going.
Speaker 7: It's so funny because I I'm so glad you asked
Speaker 7: that question, because I've been thinking about that, right. I've
Speaker 7: been looking at the results from up and down obviously
Speaker 7: across the country and up and down the East Coast,
Speaker 7: and look, I think what is important here is that
Speaker 7: people are coming out. They're making their voice very loud
Speaker 7: and clear, and I think both can be true in
Speaker 7: what you just stated, and what I mean by that is,
Speaker 7: I think folks have been so disillusioned with the Democratic
Speaker 7: Party that they went into their community, they find other
Speaker 7: ways to get involved, and they are feeling as if
Speaker 7: they felt as if, Okay, I'm going to use my
Speaker 7: voice and I know there's important local election here and
Speaker 7: I'm going to get involved in That doesn't mean that
Speaker 7: they are not disillusioned and didn't look what was happening
Speaker 7: on the national level and didn't think, Okay, that's not
Speaker 7: happening there. I'm going to do it here. And I
Speaker 7: do think for Democratic Party more broadly. There is an
Speaker 7: opportunity here. There's an opportunity with the wins from last night,
Speaker 7: there's a lesson to be learned. You had Mum Donnie,
Speaker 7: who is a Democratic socialist, who showed I think a
Speaker 7: way I haven't seen what he's been able to do
Speaker 7: in a long time, in a long time. When he
Speaker 7: participated in the Democratic primary, nobody knew who he was,
Speaker 7: and he built a grassroots organization. He went out to
Speaker 7: the subways to people and talked to them directly, and
Speaker 7: young people got involved, and young people were like, you
Speaker 7: know what, I like this guy, and they got involved
Speaker 7: in they voted for him in a primary in an
Speaker 7: off year election. And I do think the way that
Speaker 7: the Democratic leadership responded to him that only hurts us.
Speaker 7: And I'm not saying and I'm not talking about his
Speaker 7: politics or his policies. I'm talking about the way that
Speaker 7: he was able to excite and expire and that's something
Speaker 7: that Democrats can learn from, the leadership can learn from.
Speaker 7: And so I think it was a misstep that they
Speaker 7: did that. But on the other hand, you look at
Speaker 7: New Jersey and you have the a CIA agent who wins,
Speaker 7: and so I think that shows the diversity of the party.
Speaker 7: I think it shows that it is important that we continue,
Speaker 7: for me, continue to talk to how you can be
Speaker 7: independent thinkers and get results and that and that was
Speaker 7: one of the things that made me really upset with
Speaker 7: the party. It's a big tent party for a reason.
Speaker 7: It's a big tent party because we're supposed to have
Speaker 7: different voices. We're not supposed to all agree with each other.
Speaker 7: That's what makes it interesting. But we have values that
Speaker 7: matter to all of us. And so when you start
Speaker 7: shrinking that big tent, then people want to not they
Speaker 7: don't feel like they're being represented. And that's what I
Speaker 7: was seeing in the beginning of this year. I didn't
Speaker 7: see any fight. I heard, you know, like talking points
Speaker 7: pull tested talking points about you know, throwing certain people
Speaker 7: in the party under the bus. That was a problem
Speaker 7: for me, you know, and so I wanted to see
Speaker 7: more from the party, and I was hearing from people
Speaker 7: that I would go to the supermarket, I would go
Speaker 7: to the airport. That felt as if they were being
Speaker 7: left out of the conversation, as felt as if the
Speaker 7: leadership was letting them down.
Speaker 5: Thank you Korean.
Speaker 6: I just in this one quick follow up it is
Speaker 6: that in this you brought up Mmdannie Chuck Schumer didn't
Speaker 6: endorse Mamdani. Joe Biden, I think was silent on most
Speaker 6: of the races. And so I'm curious even as you're
Speaker 6: saying like this, there's this more independent free thinking that
Speaker 6: you're wanting to gravitate towards, but you're still saying we
Speaker 6: right like You're like, I know, So I'm curious where
Speaker 6: are you where you find your politics now in this
Speaker 6: big ten and maybe now outside of this tent, where
Speaker 6: do you find yourself aligned?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 5: And then where where is that home? Is there a home?
Speaker 6: Certainly you're welcome home on Native Lampid, but aside from that,
Speaker 6: you know, where is that home for you?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 7: So look, I mean a couple of things I have
Speaker 7: said in the book, and I've said this out loud,
Speaker 7: which is I'm aligned with the Democratic Party. That is
Speaker 7: not that is not changed. I wanted to start a
Speaker 7: conversation and I'm using my platform to do that. This
Speaker 7: is an experiment and it's also nuanced and what it
Speaker 7: has it started a conversation. And I'm also trying to
Speaker 7: speak for people who I have heard from, and that's
Speaker 7: what I'm trying to do. I'm never going to vote
Speaker 7: for Republicans, and I've said that very loud and clear.
Speaker 7: If anything, I really want people, young people in particular,
Speaker 7: to get engaged and to get involved. When you look
Speaker 7: at the Democrat sorry, when you look at Independence, there
Speaker 7: are millions of people who are independent, millions, and there's
Speaker 7: a growing number of young people who are becoming independent.
Speaker 7: And the message that should send to all of us
Speaker 7: is that there are folks who do not feel like
Speaker 7: they're being represented by Democrats or Republicans, and when there's
Speaker 7: a most primary process, they're closed out. So there is
Speaker 7: something fundamentally wrong here that we have to figure out
Speaker 7: and fix. And the two party system to me right
Speaker 7: now isn't working because you have our democracy that's at stake.
Speaker 7: And in Polyscia I learn in order to have a
Speaker 7: democracy that's working, the two party system needs to work.
Speaker 7: And you have party that's completely lost, and then you
Speaker 7: had a party that you didn't see any fight. You
Speaker 7: didn't see any fight, and so that is a problem
Speaker 7: to me. And so what we need to do, and
Speaker 7: what I think we saw in yesterday's last night's result
Speaker 7: is that the people are speaking out. This should be
Speaker 7: about the people. And they're being very clear and they're
Speaker 7: not They're not saying, oh my gosh, you know, you know,
Speaker 7: they're not saying mcdonnie's the leader. They're saying, no, we
Speaker 7: can be independent thinkers in our own spaces. And we
Speaker 7: see the moment that we're in and it is important
Speaker 7: to get out and vote, and we have to do
Speaker 7: our job. And obviously there's a lot of you know,
Speaker 7: craziness going in in the White House that people are
Speaker 7: reacting to. They are reacting to this, and so that's
Speaker 7: what I am seeing, and that's what I see the
Speaker 7: issue and the problem with the system.
Speaker 8: That we have right now.
Speaker 7: I mean, if we have got in order for us
Speaker 7: to get out of this situation, it's going to take
Speaker 7: some time. We need young people to engage and we
Speaker 7: got to meet them where they are right now.
Speaker 8: And that's what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm actually going to see my time to Tiffany.
Speaker 3: She was she's the journalist of the crew. My communications
Speaker 3: degree is in talking shit in the barbershop, so I
Speaker 3: know that she has some in depth, in depth questions
Speaker 3: about your book. I do want to come back to
Speaker 3: the end of the night, but I wanted to see
Speaker 3: my time because I know you're busy.
Speaker 1: To Tiffany, no, thank you.
Speaker 4: Sorry, Hey, hi, so I because of time, I've had
Speaker 4: like so many highlights in your book after reading. I
Speaker 4: have to tell you, I read it in one sitting,
Speaker 4: because you go through and highlight the policies that you
Speaker 4: align with and where you stand. And so I had
Speaker 4: one opinion about it reading all the reviews, and then
Speaker 4: when I read it, I had a thousand more questions.
Speaker 4: But I'll sew you what struck me specifically, Korean, and
Speaker 4: that is, you are really critical of the media, and
Speaker 4: I will tell you I echo all of those concerns.
Speaker 4: I share that here on NLP Weekly, and you go
Speaker 4: through specific examples. My frustration with these examples the White
Speaker 4: House as a gatekeeper in terms of who we have
Speaker 4: access to, who talks to who, And you know I
Speaker 4: would see constantly, particularly with the Joe Biden White House,
Speaker 4: in every administration, you saw a lot of officials go
Speaker 4: on mourning Joe. That platform has average about five hundred
Speaker 4: to seven hundred thousand viewers, and they have a certain perspective,
Speaker 4: a perspective that leans to the comfort of white people.
Speaker 4: Yet Joy read our sister, our friend, and Karina and
Speaker 4: I are friends. In transparency, she would have two million viewers.
Speaker 4: It was impossible to get somebody from the White House
Speaker 4: on her platform. I had more viewers than Morning Joe.
Speaker 4: It was impossible to get somebody from the White House
Speaker 4: on our platform. What was your role as press secretary
Speaker 4: in giving access to where viewers actually gathered? And what's
Speaker 4: your advice to candidates now trying to navigate that same course.
Speaker 7: I think it's it's two things that you just you
Speaker 7: just laid out things that we had issues with. I
Speaker 7: would year from folks and be like, why can't we
Speaker 7: get an interview? And look, those decisions were made from
Speaker 7: the com side. I think one things that people don't understand,
Speaker 7: like the press and the comms were very different, and
Speaker 7: we did different things in our approach and what we well,
Speaker 7: you know, what we executed was very different, and so
Speaker 7: those decisions came outside of me, above me on who
Speaker 7: certain people would talk to.
Speaker 8: But I think it was a problem. I do.
Speaker 7: I think that we needed to do a better job
Speaker 7: in taking tough questions from tough reporters like yourself.
Speaker 8: Journalists who were going to help us hold us into account.
Speaker 7: Right, and that is something that we that I acknowledged,
Speaker 7: that is something that some of us brought up and
Speaker 7: it just was 'nable to make happen.
Speaker 8: One of the things that we did.
Speaker 7: Try to do was the podcast and try to stay
Speaker 7: away from the cable, stay away from the broadcast because
Speaker 7: the podcast, as you all know, have a lot more reach.
Speaker 7: And so that is a decision and a direction that
Speaker 7: we did go.
Speaker 8: But look, we didn't do it things perfectly.
Speaker 7: Every administration has this type of issue of like who
Speaker 7: who are they going to have their principle talk to,
Speaker 7: what does it look like? And a lot of it is,
Speaker 7: you know, protecting their principle, doing our jobs and making
Speaker 7: sure that that happens. And that's you know, certainly part
Speaker 7: of part of the way that that operation works inside
Speaker 7: of government, inside of a White House. I mean, one
Speaker 7: of the things that I appreciated from example, Mom, Donnie
Speaker 7: and some others is that they talk to everybody. They
Speaker 7: really went out and you know, talk to everyone and
Speaker 7: had real conversations. But it is an issue that you
Speaker 7: have seen in many administrations, is protecting It's almost like
Speaker 7: you feel as if okay now or in government and
Speaker 7: governing is really hard, and it is there's a sense
Speaker 7: of putting the walls up and protecting and protecting your
Speaker 7: you know, your.
Speaker 4: Candidate given what you're describing, because candidates often make themselves available,
Speaker 4: but what you're differing exact uh and elected official from
Speaker 4: the people who will hold him accountable, you know, from journalists,
Speaker 4: from their constituents. And I think a lot of that
Speaker 4: happens is because the people who fill those roles often
Speaker 4: don't look like us. They're often, you know, white people
Speaker 4: who don't always know the value or the landscape of
Speaker 4: a more diverse media landscape. I want to follow up
Speaker 4: because you also describe a working relationship that you had
Speaker 4: in the White House that I think many black women
Speaker 4: across the country you can certainly relate to, where you know,
Speaker 4: you get this position, you're historic, you're taking that podium
Speaker 4: for the first time, and there was someone above you,
Speaker 4: and you describe this person should have been a mentor,
Speaker 4: they had great experience, and yet you describe a relationship
Speaker 4: where they're working against you. They try to circumvent you
Speaker 4: from traveling with the president, and they're telling you like
Speaker 4: it's they're doing it in your favor. You know, your benefit,
Speaker 4: You're a mom, you shouldn't go, but it was really
Speaker 4: trying to sun you a little bit. You know, who
Speaker 4: exactly was that person that you're talking about.
Speaker 7: Well, I'm not going to go beyond the book, but
Speaker 7: I wanted to share. Well, well, I wanted to share.
Speaker 7: I know, I see you, book, I see you.
Speaker 3: I was I was trying to figure out Tiffany with
Speaker 3: the mess I was going to ask something like that, but.
Speaker 4: Karine, because lots of people could be working for her, I.
Speaker 5: Know who it is.
Speaker 8: I will not like me too.
Speaker 7: I'm not confirmed, ton but look, here's I told that
Speaker 7: story because look, when I was White House Press Secretary,
Speaker 7: I was quiet about any attacks on me or anything
Speaker 7: that was happening to me personally because I wanted to
Speaker 7: focus on the job at hand. And so if this
Speaker 7: book gave me an opportunity to be like, Okay, you
Speaker 7: know what, I'm gonna speak to this.
Speaker 4: So, Kareine, you were just you had just named the person,
Speaker 4: but your audio went out, So can you say that
Speaker 4: name again?
Speaker 8: You're good, Tiffany.
Speaker 7: I I will not confirm her tonight.
Speaker 8: Not going to go beyond the book.
Speaker 4: I'm not going Well, what was thinking, honestly, what was
Speaker 4: your thinking and not naming names because there was a
Speaker 4: lot you could have said in this book. And I know,
Speaker 4: I think all of us on this panel I had
Speaker 4: some close personal connection to the campaign, and you were
Speaker 4: very light, you stepped very lightly in telling these stories.
Speaker 4: What was your consideration in not naming because I.
Speaker 7: Didn't honestly, honestly, I didn't want to live in it
Speaker 7: that much, right. I wanted to tell the parts that
Speaker 7: I think were important in telling the full story of
Speaker 7: the book. And you know, I also didn't want people
Speaker 7: to think they were living rent free in my head,
Speaker 7: you know, I wanted to just like we went through,
Speaker 7: we went past it. But I also felt like this
Speaker 7: moment that we were in right now was so critical
Speaker 7: and so important that we had I had to for
Speaker 7: myself get past it, and I had. But I wanted
Speaker 7: to tell my story in the quickest, easiest way, but
Speaker 7: also highlight something that happens to so many of us,
Speaker 7: whether were women, women of color, black women, or been othered.
Speaker 7: It is not an unusual story. It is something that
Speaker 7: lives with people every single day. But then I also
Speaker 7: wanted to move past it, you know, and some people
Speaker 7: I didn't mention is because I didn't want to give them.
Speaker 7: I didn't want them in my book. I didn't want
Speaker 7: to name them in my book. You know, I didn't
Speaker 7: want to give them that. So anyway, there was a
Speaker 7: there was I did think about that. I did really didn't,
Speaker 7: and I was like, you know what, I don't want
Speaker 7: them in my book. I'm going to try and move
Speaker 7: by this. But I also want to tell this story because.
Speaker 3: It's important for people to real quick question for me
Speaker 3: and kind of to put a button on this conversation.
Speaker 3: I think that you are a heroin a trailblazer and
Speaker 3: down South we say give people their flowers while they're living,
Speaker 3: and your accomplishment is something that I want say to
Speaker 3: be able to read about in schools one day, because
Speaker 3: I mean, you're just a badass woman.
Speaker 2: You need to hear that.
Speaker 3: How do we analyze watching the animus from all sides
Speaker 3: against my homegirl, Kamala Harris, just three hundred and sixty
Speaker 3: five days ago, versus the success you had in Detroit, Syracuse, Albany,
Speaker 3: New Jersey, Virginia, New Orleans, Charlotte. You saw women win
Speaker 3: all across the country yesterday. What what what am? I?
Speaker 3: And I guess this question is for Tiffany and Angela
Speaker 3: as well. But what am I taking away from that?
Speaker 3: Because after after Kamla got beat, I was told that,
Speaker 3: you know, we shouldn't have another woman run, we should
Speaker 3: stay away from people of color. Then last night you
Speaker 3: saw white women win, you saw black women win. You
Speaker 3: saw Helena Moreno win in New Orleans just recently. And
Speaker 3: I said last night, Tiffany's gonna fight me. But this week,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm trying to say, I'm trying to
Speaker 3: speak podcast language. And we saw women do extremely well
Speaker 3: all across the map.
Speaker 2: So how do I.
Speaker 3: Juxtapose those two elections that just happened three hundred and
Speaker 3: sixty five days apart.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I would love to hear from Tiffany and
Speaker 7: Angela too, because I know they're experts on having their
Speaker 7: finger on the pulse in the moment. And look, you
Speaker 7: saw what black women mayors just across the country making history.
Speaker 7: And look, I think we're in a different moment.
Speaker 8: I really do.
Speaker 7: I think people are afraid. I think people are scared.
Speaker 7: People are reacting to twenty twenty four. People are reacting
Speaker 7: to this moment that we're in with the disaster, the
Speaker 7: fear that folks are living with every single day. I mean,
Speaker 7: some folks are going about to lose their snaps. I mean,
Speaker 7: you know, their programs that people really need in their community,
Speaker 7: and this administration doesn't seem to care. They just don't
Speaker 7: seem to care. And I would say last year, there
Speaker 7: was so many things playing into this. There was the incumbency,
Speaker 7: There was the one hundred and seven days that she had
Speaker 7: to do this. I think there was the Democratic Party
Speaker 7: was not aligned. They were not aligned behind her in
Speaker 7: the beginning. It took a minute for them to get
Speaker 7: behind her. Think you had you know, you had misogyny, racism, sexism,
Speaker 7: all of that with Donald Trump, you know, being the
Speaker 7: megaphone for it, and people wanted something different. We weren't
Speaker 7: in touch on the economy, We weren't. We just were
Speaker 7: not connecting with people. So there were things that were
Speaker 7: happening that we just missed, we missed. And I think
Speaker 7: Kamala Harris Vice president. Harris did a phenomenal job in
Speaker 7: those one one hundred and seven days that she had
Speaker 7: a phenomenal job, and sadly it was just not enough
Speaker 7: for some people.
Speaker 5: And you know, that is.
Speaker 7: Part of the book that I talk about the reasons
Speaker 7: what happened in twenty twenty four, the disappointment that I saw,
Speaker 7: and you know now now there is a reaction to
Speaker 7: where we are in twenty twenty five Project twenty twenty five,
Speaker 7: and forty eight percent of that is done in just
Speaker 7: ten months, and that's hurting people, and people feel that.
Speaker 7: I mean, I would love to hear from Angela and
Speaker 7: Tiffany because I'm curious to hear what they think as well. Well.
Speaker 4: I would say, you know, the punditry class does not
Speaker 4: America make you know, again, the same way that you
Speaker 4: have in campaigns, white consultants who are getting paid a
Speaker 4: lot of money every month advising candidates on how they
Speaker 4: should maneuver their fingers are not on the pulse. The
Speaker 4: same way that you have a very the relics of campaigns,
Speaker 4: a very white landscape in media, going to people like
Speaker 4: James Carville, who quite frankly hasn't you know, it's not
Speaker 4: necessarily the person who's who I'd want to talk to
Speaker 4: about what tomorrow looks like gives ill advice. I think
Speaker 4: it is. It is an institution, an anachronistic institution that
Speaker 4: is having trouble keeping up with a diverse, multi ethnic
Speaker 4: democracy that they quite frankly served as gatekeepers and were
Speaker 4: not ready to engage. I don't know anybody who sits
Speaker 4: around and says, oh, did you see what so and
Speaker 4: so said on Meet the Press on Sunday? Or did
Speaker 4: you hear from from this person on Good Morning America.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just a new landscape. On the flip
Speaker 4: side of that, however, I will say, in terms of
Speaker 4: engaging podcasts, there is some danger. Everyone with the podcast
Speaker 4: is not a political expert, So candidates should go everywhere
Speaker 4: whether they're a political expert or not. The media has
Speaker 4: to stop engaging people who are not experts and most
Speaker 4: of the time don't know what they're talking about, and
Speaker 4: giving them a microphone asking people who have never worked
Speaker 4: on a campaign. They're there day in their whole life,
Speaker 4: but because they have a big following, oh what's your attitude?
Speaker 4: What what do candidates need to do for black voters
Speaker 4: right now? So it's a double problem, a double headed snake.
Speaker 4: I would say, that's quickly rendering a whole lot of
Speaker 4: people less relevant and possibly escalating people to positions they
Speaker 4: have not earned.
Speaker 5: I'm on mute, I'm mute.
Speaker 2: So I was saying thank you. I was.
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 3: Both of y'all are giving me something that something that
Speaker 3: you from from what happened this week.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Angela, Nope.
Speaker 6: I would like to associate myself with my coll remarks
Speaker 6: and shout out to all of the black women who
Speaker 6: made history, who ran because somebody said they can't. And
Speaker 6: I also, I just think it's important for us to
Speaker 6: also dissect at some point, speaking of this big tent,
Speaker 6: why it's okay for white women to run and win
Speaker 6: statewide versus Black women who do the same and run
Speaker 6: into a lot of problems the party, the saying that
Speaker 6: they're not formidable enough, they're not going to be competitive,
Speaker 6: et cetera. So I want to have that conversation at
Speaker 6: some point too in what bars we put in place,
Speaker 6: guardrails and gatekeeping I think are different and we need
Speaker 6: to figure that out.
Speaker 5: I will shout out.
Speaker 6: I won't say this is the only compliment James Carvill
Speaker 6: will probably ever get from me.
Speaker 5: He was right about of Donnie. Okay, he got it
Speaker 5: right off and Donne.
Speaker 6: I don't know what Van Jones was talking about, but
Speaker 6: he was right about Donnie. So that's all I want
Speaker 6: to say about James Carfield. Other than that tip, I
Speaker 6: generally agree.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we should not be possible, that's what it's like.
Speaker 1: No, we should not y blessed by your voice, your example,
Speaker 1: and your service. At some point, mostly because I wanted
Speaker 1: to avoid myself asking this question about Joe Biden specifically,
Speaker 1: but at some point, I do think for the annals
Speaker 1: of history and so that future generations and those even
Speaker 1: of us in this generation who still perform in the future.
Speaker 2: Will.
Speaker 1: Look back on history and take the right examples from it.
Speaker 1: I do think it is important that people like you
Speaker 1: who were on the inside to state their word, to
Speaker 1: state their experience, whatever it may have been, on what
Speaker 1: happened during that period, because the American people deserve it.
Speaker 1: But more importantly, it ought to be of service to
Speaker 1: history so that we don't repeat the mistakes of the past.
Speaker 1: I'll that's really all I'll say about going back and
Speaker 1: rebirthing that experience during jump here is that as you
Speaker 1: go around, continue to speak it, and to speak it
Speaker 1: loudly and proudly. But I think the most relevant that
Speaker 1: it will ever have for me is that it served
Speaker 1: as important markers and that we take important lessons from
Speaker 1: things of the past that might inform our future. So
Speaker 1: thank you for taking time and being with us, and
Speaker 1: obviously we'll give give you a platform any time here
Speaker 1: on Native Land that you're willing to come and chat
Speaker 1: with us.
Speaker 7: I appreciate it any I would love that. This was
Speaker 7: I think an incredibly productive conversation and I appreciate the
Speaker 7: opportunity and I love you all.
Speaker 8: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Thank y'all, Thank you, kareem and stay tuned.
Speaker 9: On the other side, Hey, Native Land Podcast. My name
Speaker 9: is doctor Hope Coleman. I am a licensed club and
Speaker 9: social worker and I currently live in making Joygia. So
Speaker 9: it is really late and I'm actually recovering from surgery,
Speaker 9: so that's probably why I were crazy.
Speaker 5: But I was just.
Speaker 10: Thinking, if we can't beat them, can we join them?
Speaker 10: And what I mean by that is what if we
Speaker 10: did something like the spook who set by the Door
Speaker 10: type of thing. If we could all join the Republican
Speaker 10: Party and promote people who actually have our values in
Speaker 10: place to run in the public Republican Party, and then
Speaker 10: we nominate those people and both them into office. There
Speaker 10: is that Do you feel like that's reasonable? Is that
Speaker 10: something that we can do to like almost flip the
Speaker 10: Republican Party to being something better than what it is.
Speaker 10: Is that do you think that's something we can move?
Speaker 1: I like that doctor hope and we hope you are
Speaker 1: recovered or continue to recover, uh from that surgery?
Speaker 2: What what?
Speaker 1: What do y'all think? Infiltration?
Speaker 2: I like the creativity.
Speaker 3: I just don't I mean, I looked at Donald Trump
Speaker 3: ain't even support winsom Seers last night, So I don't
Speaker 3: really know if they want us, you gotta you gotta
Speaker 3: infiltrate and get some numbers and and.
Speaker 2: Do some things to find us well them. I don't
Speaker 2: know that the folks who I'm.
Speaker 6: Talking about Winsome, she is on some she is on
Speaker 6: some other stuff.
Speaker 3: Much you can put, you can put uh. You can
Speaker 3: put Winsome and and uh herschel Walker and even may
Speaker 3: he rest in peace Herman Kane into a category of
Speaker 3: people that the Republican Party put out the pastor pretty quickly.
Speaker 3: And so I don't think that there is a a
Speaker 3: true desire. I don't know the intricacies of the Republican Party,
Speaker 3: but I like the creativity. I just think our energy
Speaker 3: is probably best other used transforming a party that has
Speaker 3: included us from top to bottom, even when we are
Speaker 3: upset at it and reframing the foundation of the Democratic
Speaker 3: Party and trying to change that then infiltrating or the
Speaker 3: spook by the door. But I mean, I ain't really
Speaker 3: I'm gonna drink some tequila tonight and think about that.
Speaker 5: A little bit, including us from top to bottom.
Speaker 2: That's what I said.
Speaker 3: That's why caveat, caveat it is that a word tificy
Speaker 3: it is now?
Speaker 1: That is do you know? The only other reasonable response
Speaker 1: I could offer would be a lot of places in
Speaker 1: my state are just read top to bottom, from school
Speaker 1: board to your county commissioners to your mayor, and they
Speaker 1: have sizeable black populations in a lot of these places.
Speaker 1: And so the only way that a number of these
Speaker 1: people can feel represented or be a representative themselves might
Speaker 1: be to change party affiliation, run with the banner of Republican,
Speaker 1: and govern as your natural self, whatever your your political
Speaker 1: tendencies might might might lead you toward. That's That's really
Speaker 1: the one place where I think maybe a strategy around
Speaker 1: how black voices get integrated into decision making when you
Speaker 1: live in a county or an area that's just overwhelmingly
Speaker 1: Republican that you know, it's not even a beauty contest
Speaker 1: to run as a Democrat. It's nothing you you you'll
Speaker 1: never get there with that moniker. But but but the
Speaker 1: wholesale I just don't know that there's a national strategy
Speaker 1: that gets us where we want to be through infiltration.
Speaker 3: In that I mean echo Howard Dean for a minute, right,
Speaker 3: who kind of got a bum wrap with one live mic.
Speaker 3: I think I thought Howard Dean actually was a really
Speaker 3: good chair and had some.
Speaker 2: Unique policy perspectives.
Speaker 3: He had a fifty state strategy, which is where I'm
Speaker 3: going with with the with what you're talking about, Andrew,
Speaker 3: because I do think one kind of the antithesis to
Speaker 3: what you're saying is still along the same line. I
Speaker 3: think Democrats need to run everywhere, right, I understand infiltrating
Speaker 3: their party, but in these deeply read places, we got
Speaker 3: to run for doll catcher and make sure that they
Speaker 3: aren't able to run unopposed. Shout out to my friend
Speaker 3: who won last this week in in Mississippi to break
Speaker 3: the supermajority. Right, he flipped the I mean overwhelmingly flipped
Speaker 3: a Republican Senate seat. I mean, you're starting to see
Speaker 3: those things actually happen. They kicked the last Republican off
Speaker 3: the Orlando City Council last this week. I'm struggling with
Speaker 3: these timeframes. But it's justifitly about to just kick me
Speaker 3: from over here.
Speaker 5: But I do I do it to be but I just.
Speaker 3: Think that I think that we have to get back,
Speaker 3: and I wish we had the resources and the foundation
Speaker 3: because if Ken Martin popped up on the show, I
Speaker 3: wouldn't know who he was, right, I just don't know
Speaker 3: that cat that's the that's.
Speaker 5: The chair chair that would like to not use DEI.
Speaker 3: So, but I'm just saying I think that there has
Speaker 3: to be you know, I hear the infiltration of maybe
Speaker 3: this or that, but I just take it one step further.
Speaker 3: And even in those deeply read places, I think that
Speaker 3: they have to feel some pressure, even if you're not
Speaker 3: going to win this particular time run somebody's.
Speaker 4: And I just I just offer some historical context. I mean,
Speaker 4: this did happen before there was a switcher rouse, so
Speaker 4: to speak, of the political ideologies in the parties a
Speaker 4: century ago. You had the Republican ideology chains drastically after
Speaker 4: post reconstruction and then the New Deal. Uh, and it
Speaker 4: was really when Roosevelt's election, I think he got like
Speaker 4: seventy five percent of black voters, and then when the
Speaker 4: New Deal excluded so many black people. Between that era
Speaker 4: of the Civil Rights movement, that's when you really saw
Speaker 4: not only ideology shift, but you saw a shift in
Speaker 4: who black voters aligned with as the Republican Party increasingly
Speaker 4: became comprised of wealthy businessmen, and then you had people
Speaker 4: making inroads to folks once we have the rights to vote.
Speaker 4: So it's not impossible to happen again. And there are
Speaker 4: some people historians particular, who would say that everything repeats
Speaker 4: every hundred years. So she may have been a Nigro
Speaker 4: Damis with her question, but I don't know if that
Speaker 4: can realistically happen now. I think we're going to see
Speaker 4: the whole political party system implode at some point in
Speaker 4: the company's future, but I don't know that that will
Speaker 4: happen in our lifetime.
Speaker 1: Well before it implodes, we might want to just reflect
Speaker 1: on the politics of this week and how it may
Speaker 1: have changed the country. I am very very interested to
Speaker 1: hear y'all's takes on what we saw happen really across
Speaker 1: the country. I know there are places like New Jersey
Speaker 1: and Virginia and New York City that are getting a
Speaker 1: lot of attention. But as we pull back and think
Speaker 1: about what happened this week and elections that took place
Speaker 1: on Tuesday across the nation, I'm curious from you all
Speaker 1: whether or not these are bel weather are we seeing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll just be blunt and say Virginia, New Jersey,
Speaker 1: and New York City are pretty blue places. I mean,
Speaker 1: Virginia goes back and forth, but we're our safe territory
Speaker 1: for Democrats in a lot of ways, and so good
Speaker 1: that Democrats were able to pull through some of those places.
Speaker 1: But I do think it's the picture is actually more
Speaker 1: complicated than that. I think it's more diverse than that.
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering from each of you, how do you
Speaker 1: size it up and whether or not we can either
Speaker 1: continue the momentum in this direction or whether the politics
Speaker 1: of the midterms will have to look different.
Speaker 6: You know, Andrew, I want to get to that, but
Speaker 6: I also just want to highlight some things that I
Speaker 6: think that are unique about our show. There has been
Speaker 6: this big celebration, and I think it's good for people
Speaker 6: to see a momentum shift, especially amiss the shutdown. At
Speaker 6: the time recording this podcast, it is now the longest
Speaker 6: government shut down in history. There's conversation about moderate Democrats
Speaker 6: leaning towards a gutted out version of healthcare subsidies for
Speaker 6: tax paying citizens. But at the same time, we are
Speaker 6: still in the midst of shutdown, and people said they
Speaker 6: spoke decisively about what they didn't want.
Speaker 5: I think that there's still some.
Speaker 6: Ambiguity about what people do want and how we get there. So,
Speaker 6: for example, we know of the Virginia governor, the lieutenant governor,
Speaker 6: the attorney general. There was a full sweep in Virginia.
Speaker 6: But what I don't think we talk enough about are
Speaker 6: these percentage changes. These are things that you and Baccari
Speaker 6: have experienced firsthand having been elected officials.
Speaker 5: Why would Abigail Spamberger have.
Speaker 6: Fifty seven percent of the vote, the lieutenant governor who's
Speaker 6: a Muslim woman gets fifty five percent of the vote,
Speaker 6: and you get down to Jay Jones, a black man,
Speaker 6: it's fifty two percent of the vote.
Speaker 5: If you're voting across the back, you know, full ticket,
Speaker 5: what's up? What's up?
Speaker 6: So I think those these are the kinds of difficult
Speaker 6: conversations that we've got to have and we can't have
Speaker 6: it Ken Martin without DEI and without an inclusive componversation
Speaker 6: and about candidate recruitment and who you decide can win
Speaker 6: these elections, and talking to voters about their subconscious and
Speaker 6: sometimes very blatant racism.
Speaker 5: I think the.
Speaker 6: Other thing that Bakart brought up around Mississippi is important.
Speaker 6: There was not just a Senate seat flip, but also
Speaker 6: a House seat flip that's in the red state of Mississippi.
Speaker 6: There is almost no investment in southern states. There is
Speaker 6: a reason to invest in Southern states because when voters
Speaker 6: are motivated, when they're poured into just like anybody else,
Speaker 6: whether it's your congregation or is your workplace, people show
Speaker 6: up very differently.
Speaker 5: I think the other thing that I really want to
Speaker 5: highlight are two blue states.
Speaker 6: I'm biased here, so I want to talk about Washington briefly.
Speaker 6: Erica Evans, who ran for city attorney black women from
Speaker 6: my law school. She won decisively. City council woman Dion
Speaker 6: Foster will she will be a city council woman. In
Speaker 6: the King County exec we will have the first ever
Speaker 6: King County Exec. And Germai Zahala should he pulled this off,
Speaker 6: but he's running against a rich white woman and then
Speaker 6: of course New York and I think that the conversation
Speaker 6: that is frustrating me right now is is he represent
Speaker 6: the face of the party and people are the new
Speaker 6: face of the Democratic Party, the future of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 6: And I really appreciate what AOC said and part of
Speaker 6: what we heard from Koreem, which is this is a
Speaker 6: big tent party and it has multiple faces. And I
Speaker 6: think it is errant to assign any particular face or
Speaker 6: one body of politics to this entire party, especially because
Speaker 6: when you go to the Bureau of Queens, Mam Donnie
Speaker 6: just barely eaked out of victory there, and so what
Speaker 6: is the what is the world challenge there? That's not
Speaker 6: necessarily a party conversation, but it is a political conversation,
Speaker 6: and we've got to get to the notes and nets
Speaker 6: and both of that. I also want to shout out
Speaker 6: California on Prop fifty or the sixty three percent of people,
Speaker 6: ninety one percent of black voters support it Prop fifty.
Speaker 3: Media, Oh, go ahead, I'm sorry. I just wanted to
Speaker 3: just level set what what happened this week. I think
Speaker 3: I think it's important for us to just talk about
Speaker 3: how Dems won up and down the ballot quickly. They
Speaker 3: flipped two statewide seats on Public Service Commission in Georgia.
Speaker 3: And when I was talking about black women earlier with KJP,
Speaker 3: I forgot to mention Alicia Johnson, a black woman who
Speaker 3: did something that others haven't done in a very long
Speaker 3: period of time. And we're talking about Georgia. Democrats won
Speaker 3: by greater percentages than Democrats won in California and Hawaii.
Speaker 3: I mean, let's think about that for a second. You know,
Speaker 3: we won, We swept Virginia, New Jersey as well. We
Speaker 3: did things like when the mayor of Pittsburgh, Democrats did
Speaker 3: that jd Vance's brother got beat by over sixty points
Speaker 3: for the mayor of Cincinnati, Ohio. Shout out to Atap Pureval.
Speaker 3: And then in Virginia, to your point, Angela, every single
Speaker 3: county in Virginia swung left. And what we saw were
Speaker 3: the gangs that Donald Trump made in the Hispanic community
Speaker 3: actually immediately reverted back. And so you have to begin
Speaker 3: to look at some of these underlying trends. I just
Speaker 3: wanted to make sure that listeners and viewers Tiffany kind
Speaker 3: of understood the gravity because I can't go around a
Speaker 3: race outside of Melvin Carter being upset in Saint Paul,
Speaker 3: Saint Paul, Minnesota last night, which was just an upset.
Speaker 3: He just got beat by somebody who was you know,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let them talk about their own race. But
Speaker 3: from similar politics, at least on the same side of
Speaker 3: the isle. You can't find a Democrat or a Democrat
Speaker 3: initiative that got beat this week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you mentioned earlier some of the black winds,
Speaker 1: uh up and down.
Speaker 3: The ballot, some of those, Yeah, I mean Alicia Johnson
Speaker 3: and Georgia. You have Mary Mary Sheffield in Detroit. You
Speaker 3: have two new mayors in New York. I know a
Speaker 3: lot of people talk about but Aubany and Syracuse now
Speaker 3: have have Vylos one re election last night. I mean,
Speaker 3: but you know, now, let me just say this, Charlotte
Speaker 3: was under the microscope from the right wing because of
Speaker 3: the death, the unfortunate death of the young lady on
Speaker 3: the train. By the way, the city doesn't even operate
Speaker 3: the public transit service there, it's privately run, but they were.
Speaker 3: She was under fierce attack and she won with seventy
Speaker 3: percent of the vote. So I mean, I just think
Speaker 3: we have the level set Tiffany about what exactly happened
Speaker 3: this week.
Speaker 4: Is there, though, Bucari, like a geographical difference, you know?
Speaker 4: I have to say I'm really frustrated with the question
Speaker 4: and the idea around centering Mandannie's race, like is he
Speaker 4: the new face of the Democratic Party? I think that
Speaker 4: is a question that centers the Beltway so much because
Speaker 4: people who are impacted by this shut down, people who
Speaker 4: are hungry today, I don't know that that's what they're
Speaker 4: thinking about. I think, you know, it's politics, as we
Speaker 4: all know, as a local game, and people spoke to
Speaker 4: policies that impacted people that inspired them to come out Mondonnie.
Speaker 4: I will say that he did an amazing job hitting
Speaker 4: the nightclubs. I had never really seen that, and he
Speaker 4: understood that if I walk into this hip hop club,
Speaker 4: into every kind of genre of nightclub he could, and
Speaker 4: everybody was going to take out that phone and he's
Speaker 4: you know, flag surf into New York. That that was
Speaker 4: a free earned media opportunity for him. You know, that
Speaker 4: was just everybody was going to share that. And I
Speaker 4: thought that was really innovative for him. He's also a
Speaker 4: thirty four year old, you know, assemblyman, and he brought
Speaker 4: out the largest turnout in New York City in more
Speaker 4: than three decades. I think that says something. New York
Speaker 4: is a city of immigrants, now a city run by immigrants,
Speaker 4: and we know that, you know, exit polls are notoriously unreliable,
Speaker 4: of course, but he did at this point. I mean,
Speaker 4: these numbers will likely change, but he did get I
Speaker 4: think fifty five percent of the black vote, which says something.
Speaker 4: But mccaria, I thought it was really interesting that you
Speaker 4: talked about what happened in Georgia, and Georgia black voters
Speaker 4: are the base vote. They are not a niche group
Speaker 4: that you turn out to. So I just think it
Speaker 4: is it's so it's a flat terminology because all this
Speaker 4: this week, every single question has been you know, is
Speaker 4: he the new face? Is he the new face? And
Speaker 4: it feels like a question that's trying to pigeonhole Democrats,
Speaker 4: you know, so they can say, well, look at this,
Speaker 4: but you said that he supports this policy, and you're
Speaker 4: saying he's a new face, but what about this in
Speaker 4: this area? And I love when people push back on
Speaker 4: that question because it just it just seems dated this point.
Speaker 3: The reason being is because you know this, and we
Speaker 3: all know this better than most, but let's articulate it clearly.
Speaker 3: The reason being is because Kamala Harris is now somewhat
Speaker 3: on the sidelines kind of regrouping. Joe Biden is no
Speaker 3: longer necessarily someone that's out on the forefront. Barack Obama's
Speaker 3: been removed from the presidency now for nine years, almost
Speaker 3: going on ten years, or they're about and so the
Speaker 3: Republican Party does something extremely good, which is paint this boogeyman.
Speaker 3: And what they want to do is have this boogeyman
Speaker 3: in Mandani because they are going to otheriz him, because
Speaker 3: they're going to say that he is not American. They're
Speaker 3: going to say that, you know, you hear the litany
Speaker 3: of things to castigate him. And they want that boogeyman
Speaker 3: and to be a part of what Democrats have to
Speaker 3: say when they are articulating their successes and or failures
Speaker 3: or whatever it may be. And my point is this,
Speaker 3: the Democratic Party is Joe Manchin and Mundanni and everybody
Speaker 3: in between right and the Democratic Party, whether or not
Speaker 3: we like it or not, as a big tent party,
Speaker 3: but the successes don't stop. Because if you just mentioned
Speaker 3: Mamdanni and you don't mention the young ladies who won
Speaker 3: an Albany and Syracuse, right, you don't mention the individuals
Speaker 3: who won in Georgia or Orlando, Florida or Mississippi. I
Speaker 3: think you're doing a disservice, and I think it was
Speaker 3: an outwter rejection. I just think that last night is
Speaker 3: a vacuum. There are lessons that can be learned. But
Speaker 3: to Andrew's point, specifically as the great host of today's show,
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that that would foretell what will happen
Speaker 3: next year.
Speaker 1: You set up real straight, the Mundanni peace with regard
Speaker 1: to the boogeyman that Republicans want to create. My real
Speaker 1: frustration is the great assist in that deva they're giving
Speaker 1: from other Democrats, the fact that you've got so many
Speaker 1: prominent Democrats who are willing to either withhold support for
Speaker 1: Mondami or to you know, sort of you know, bottom
Speaker 1: of the page is sort of footnote all the differences
Speaker 1: in so many ways. I just feel like the party
Speaker 1: so often so afraid of its own shadows, so afraid
Speaker 1: of what the critique might be of their person of
Speaker 1: choice or the new person who's coming that they jump
Speaker 1: to the side and they do the job that Republicans
Speaker 1: want to do to us, they do it for them,
Speaker 1: And I would just yes, it's a big tent party,
Speaker 1: but also yes, the man actually has some good goddamn
Speaker 1: ideas that more Democrats got to pick up on, run on,
Speaker 1: win on, and then legislate on, just as is the
Speaker 1: case for a bunch of other candidates who are you know,
Speaker 1: bathe in the blue Democrats that we would all wrap
Speaker 1: our arms around and celebrate and lift up who also
Speaker 1: has their own set of issues if we want to go,
Speaker 1: you know, by lying hook by hook through which one
Speaker 1: of them to determine who is positionally the best next
Speaker 1: figurehead if you want to go down that line. But
Speaker 1: but the but my frustration with the calling out Mandamee
Speaker 1: as if he is some dinosaur and the rest of
Speaker 1: us are on some other planet is ridiculous. It's uncalled for,
Speaker 1: and voters will not reward Democrats for that. In the end,
Speaker 1: do not but tray uh this man simply because he
Speaker 1: didn't come up through the party in the same way
Speaker 1: that you did, didn't lay his Oaks in the same
Speaker 1: way and have the unmitigated gall to question whether or
Speaker 1: not the the the the international policy being pursued and
Speaker 1: and Gaza is the right one, or whether it's hu
Speaker 1: Maine or not. We got to learn that lesson first
Speaker 1: and stop doing the assist work to Republicans who are
Speaker 1: held bent on trying to cast get the guy and
Speaker 1: make him look like the strange dude in the room,
Speaker 1: you know, as quick as anything.
Speaker 3: And I think the I think the flip side is
Speaker 3: I think that Mom, Donnie and I believe this to
Speaker 3: be true. I think that and you probably can articulate
Speaker 3: this better. Everybody doesn't. You don't legislate how you campaign, right.
Speaker 1: Of course, he's already yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean you just I mean I think that people
Speaker 3: have to take a deep breath and understand that that
Speaker 3: is the way that politics, for.
Speaker 2: Better or for worse.
Speaker 3: I mean, I usually think it's for better because people
Speaker 3: get involved in a system, they understand the system, They
Speaker 3: understand how they can create successes within that system or
Speaker 3: shatter that system and try to recreate it in the
Speaker 3: image that they want. But I will tell you, Mandami
Speaker 3: did piss me off by being a part of a
Speaker 3: movement that didn't even support Kamala Harris. Now, for me
Speaker 3: as a Democrat going forward, that means that we now
Speaker 3: have to we now have to we now have to
Speaker 3: bring him into the fold or whatever it may be,
Speaker 3: or go wrap arms or whatever, go to his folk.
Speaker 3: I don't know how that works. However, there you can't.
Speaker 3: I mean, what is it past this prolog or whatever
Speaker 3: it is? And there is a weird expectation. And wait
Speaker 3: a minute. You you led a movement to abandon Kamala
Speaker 3: Harris when we when democracy was on the line, and
Speaker 3: now we're hip or critical for not supporting you today.
Speaker 3: I think now everybody has to take a deep breath
Speaker 3: and say, Okay, now, how do we move forward together
Speaker 3: in some way, shape, form, or fashion that means that
Speaker 3: we can beat fascism?
Speaker 11: Nobody knows.
Speaker 4: I wanted to touch on this point that Bakari made
Speaker 4: about him not supporting Kamala Harris. Vice President Harris and
Speaker 4: a lot of people didn't support her, and I think
Speaker 4: the important context there is her position on Israel and Palestine.
Speaker 4: And look, we talked about that on this show. We
Speaker 4: understood the danger that we were facing here in America.
Speaker 4: But if you are supporting a regime that is committing genocide,
Speaker 4: that is funding a genocide, and that is supplying weapons
Speaker 4: that are killing people that fit under the umbrella in
Speaker 4: which I identify, or even if it doesn't fit under the
Speaker 4: umbrella that I identify, I cannot be mad now. I
Speaker 4: think I wand up in protesting her is senseless and dumb.
Speaker 4: One of our friends that that's like showing up to
Speaker 4: a Beyonce concert to protest. R Kelly, like, I agree
Speaker 4: with that, but I do I understand. I think we
Speaker 4: have to extend some humanity. She was willing to call
Speaker 4: for a two week cease fire, and that wasn't enough
Speaker 4: for a lot of people. So I hear you, Bacari.
Speaker 4: I just think there is a legitimate reason why some
Speaker 4: people could not bring themselves to vote for her. Angela,
Speaker 4: I know we're coming to you. I just want to say,
Speaker 4: I know you spoke to her this week, and I'm
Speaker 4: really excited to see that interview and if there's anything,
Speaker 4: if we your co host can't have a sneak peek,
Speaker 4: can you just tell us anything because we obviously didn't
Speaker 4: watch it live, but I'm really excited to hear if
Speaker 4: you can share anything that we might want to know.
Speaker 4: As you answer say with your.
Speaker 6: Thanks, Tip, I just want to clarify briefly, there's I
Speaker 6: don't know, Bakari, and I love to see what you're
Speaker 6: looking at, but there's nothing that I've found that said
Speaker 6: that he did not support her. He did not publicly
Speaker 6: support her. I don't of an effort that he led
Speaker 6: to go against Kamala Harris. I just want to make
Speaker 6: sure we're precise and clear about that. I know he
Speaker 6: was very excited about her endorsing him. She made a
Speaker 6: statement where she said I'm gonn support any Democratic nominee,
Speaker 6: and then she went further to the point Tip.
Speaker 5: When we were in conversation.
Speaker 6: On Tuesday night, election night in Seattle, she was very
Speaker 6: thrilled to have been have supported Zora Mandani and and
Speaker 6: talked about how excited she was to have talked to
Speaker 6: most of the candidates the night of the election. So
Speaker 6: she definitely is not caring whatever. And I know sometimes
Speaker 6: when we love our people, we go harder for them
Speaker 6: than they want us to go. And they've moved past
Speaker 6: it and we haven't released it. But I think it
Speaker 6: is foolish for us not to see beyond new York
Speaker 6: the way that he was able to be unconventional in
Speaker 6: his approach he was doing. He did the one of
Speaker 6: the like Instagram posts he did. He went sat on
Speaker 6: this corner and talked about the legacy of LaGuardia, you know,
Speaker 6: talked about all of these things that he is trying
Speaker 6: to bring forward with New York, also trying, I think,
Speaker 6: show the as distinct as he is, as different and
Speaker 6: diverse as he is, there's some saneness, some similarity that
Speaker 6: he hopes to and some lifeblood that he hopes to
Speaker 6: bring back to the city. I think for us to
Speaker 6: or for people, for the American people to not see
Speaker 6: the danger in resurrecting Andrew Cuomo and after Donald Trump
Speaker 6: endorsed him, I just don't even know what the conversation
Speaker 6: is really about. If there was, if it was the
Speaker 6: Republican Party, they would hold their nose and keep going.
Speaker 6: They would hold their nose for Marjorie Taylor Green, they
Speaker 6: would hold their nose for Trey Goudi, they would hold
Speaker 6: their nose like for any of them, my bad bee.
Speaker 6: I know Trey Goudy's your friend, he's not mine, But
Speaker 6: any of them, right, they're gonna go hard and to
Speaker 6: paint for any of them. We act like if somebody
Speaker 6: has if we only agree with them seventy five percent
Speaker 6: of the time, then there is a no go and
Speaker 6: that it's so dumb.
Speaker 5: I don't like to say dumb, but that is I don't.
Speaker 4: Know, you guy, I don't know. Or I wanted to
Speaker 4: give McCary a chance to say, because I do think
Speaker 4: it's we owe clarity that if he led an effort.
Speaker 3: To Yeah, no, I mean I'm gonna be I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be extremely clear because I mean he he was a
Speaker 3: part of the uncommitted movement, which we know and we
Speaker 3: know we know about. In twenty twenty four, he owed
Speaker 3: urged voters to withhold their vote from Joe Biden and
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris. He cast a blank blank ballot, leave it
Speaker 3: blank campaign. I'm in the primary system, and so yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I can't tell you. I mean, the
Speaker 3: uncommitted movement was what it was. And yeah, I'm not
Speaker 3: talking about their reasoning. I mean, I know Tiffany just
Speaker 3: gave an eloquent defense thereof but I just wanted to
Speaker 3: say that as a matter of of just clarity, he
Speaker 3: was he was a part of the uncommitted movement.
Speaker 2: He did leave it, leave it, But I don't know.
Speaker 4: I gotta believe this man's word.
Speaker 6: He went on with Clay Caine and he talked about
Speaker 6: supporting Kamala Harris. So I don't I don't know when
Speaker 6: he supported.
Speaker 1: He also could be moments in time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be moments in time.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm looking at a I'm looking at a
Speaker 3: at a at an uncommitted. A tweet from Zora on
Speaker 3: the uncommitted campaign in Michigan is an inspiration for how
Speaker 3: we can organize it.
Speaker 1: Like so Michigan, Michigan's uncommitted campaign was very distinct and
Speaker 1: direct to the primary process.
Speaker 5: He didn't live there, he is, But I'm just but
Speaker 5: I get your point. But I must want to.
Speaker 6: Make sure that I'm not signing something to him that's
Speaker 6: not true redless of the assignment.
Speaker 3: What I am saying is now, regardless of the assignment
Speaker 3: and where we were, And I think my only point
Speaker 3: is where we were then and how people may feel
Speaker 3: about him then, or how he may have felt about
Speaker 3: us or whomever. Then this is a moment in time
Speaker 3: where we may have missed that train to defeat fascism together.
Speaker 2: Then but maybe there is.
Speaker 3: A point where we can meet together and try to
Speaker 3: defeat fascism.
Speaker 2: Now that's my only.
Speaker 4: Point, can I ask y'all, because you're saying, you know
Speaker 4: how the Republican Party they blindly support anybody, and I
Speaker 4: don't know that that's a fair comparison. They are rooted
Speaker 4: in our destruction, they are rooted in their racism. So
Speaker 4: of course, if that's your chief goal, then yeah, you
Speaker 4: can hold your nose and vote for anybody. I mean,
Speaker 4: we have, you know, women who support pro choice policies
Speaker 4: who cast ballots for Donald Trump because they are voting
Speaker 4: in another part of their interests. I think it depends,
Speaker 4: I want to hear from all you guys. I think
Speaker 4: it depends on what that seventy five percent is for you.
Speaker 4: You're saying, if they support seventy five p cent but
Speaker 4: not twenty five percent, it's a no go. But if
Speaker 4: that twenty five percent is, I'm going to keep supporting
Speaker 4: funding weapons that are killing people who look like me.
Speaker 4: That's a big twenty five percent. If that twenty five
Speaker 4: percent is, I'm going to support this Democratic candidate who
Speaker 4: does not support affirmative action, who does not support DEI,
Speaker 4: and who maybe isn't an approach choice candidate, but they
Speaker 4: seventy five percent of these things they agree with. It
Speaker 4: just depends on where we fall.
Speaker 3: You think that that's a I think that's somewhat of
Speaker 3: a kind of a red hearing.
Speaker 6: And the reason even I mean, look at Gavin Newsom's
Speaker 6: she's just asking.
Speaker 3: Because I'm going back, I'm going back to Israel and
Speaker 3: Palestine here and we talked to I mean, I would
Speaker 3: love to ask the simple question who was better on
Speaker 3: the issue, Kamala Harrison.
Speaker 4: Donald Trump, Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2: By far So.
Speaker 3: I mean, for me, it's like and I understand, I
Speaker 3: get it, I completely understand.
Speaker 1: It be that they're both unacceptable.
Speaker 2: Well and boom, how about that if they if they are, which.
Speaker 6: One is her own credit? To her own credit? Again, tiff,
Speaker 6: I want to talk about the interview to her own credit.
Speaker 5: She said that they made some mistakes.
Speaker 3: But she said, but this is a but see this
Speaker 3: is this is a concept of duality. You only have
Speaker 3: two choices and if you don't vote, if you don't vote,
Speaker 3: that is a vote for Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Which is why I say, which is.
Speaker 1: With the exceptin this is the fine point when we
Speaker 1: were in Michigan. We heard from people who had lost
Speaker 1: their cousins, first cousins, aunties, grandma's, were still waiting to
Speaker 1: hear from other relatives that they hadn't been with. The
Speaker 1: choice for them was not about is this person better
Speaker 1: on this thing than this person when they're all leading
Speaker 1: to an relation of my relatives, the people who I
Speaker 1: know love, so on and so forth. So this, this
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of where someone stands on an issue
Speaker 1: is individual. It is not systematic. It is to me,
Speaker 1: ninety percent of my politics are my children, and if
Speaker 1: you do something that is going to stunt them, I'm
Speaker 1: not for you to you. You know, maybe I'm a
Speaker 1: twenty five percent person for blacks, and I'm a twenty
Speaker 1: five percent person on women and a but it's individual.
Speaker 1: And so for those folks who I said in Detroit,
Speaker 1: I cannot Who am I to stand here and tell
Speaker 1: somebody who's lost their cousin, their aunt, their great grandmother, whomever,
Speaker 1: and this war that you were faced with either Donald
Speaker 1: Trump or this woman and go with the one that's
Speaker 1: going to No, I can't do that because if you
Speaker 1: tried me like that, we have problems. And I know
Speaker 1: these these were folks who were reckoning out loud with
Speaker 1: us about the conflict they faced. They knew he would
Speaker 1: be no good, but they also knew that they couldn't
Speaker 1: reward in any way, shape or form the annihilation that
Speaker 1: was taking place of their people and their family at
Speaker 1: that point in time.
Speaker 6: I guess I think, sorry, I hear you, Andrew, and
Speaker 6: I just want to clarify my twenty five percent was
Speaker 6: not about Gaza.
Speaker 5: It was just it was a blanket. But I have you.
Speaker 6: And I but I appreciate TI sess it out, like, well,
Speaker 6: what is that twenty five percent? Because I think it's
Speaker 6: important where I think the Democratic Party traditionally goes wrong,
Speaker 6: and even special interests.
Speaker 5: We're negros, we're.
Speaker 6: The special interest group within the party, right, Like, do
Speaker 6: you have a pledge? Do you have an agenda that
Speaker 6: you expect people to ascribe to. When you do that,
Speaker 6: then you can really figure out if you can rock
Speaker 6: with that twenty five percent that's missing or not. But
Speaker 6: to what we have to talk about it in this
Speaker 6: amorphous way because there are no guard rails, and because
Speaker 6: there are no guardrails, when somebody comes in in ruffles feathers,
Speaker 6: because they didn't come up through the establishment.
Speaker 5: You get, you get.
Speaker 6: This, you get everybody'll the billionaire, the billionaire folks, the pundits.
Speaker 6: There are people who we know very well who worked
Speaker 6: on Andrew Cuomo's campaign endorsed by Donald Trump. So I'm
Speaker 6: just saying we should at least be clear about what
Speaker 6: we're not gonna be if we can't be clear about
Speaker 6: where we are going to be. But I do think
Speaker 6: we have some work to do. It's gonna be a
Speaker 6: tough road, but I think it's worth it because what
Speaker 6: happens if you don't agree with this twenty five percent
Speaker 6: of whomever, you end up with people who you don't
Speaker 6: agree with at all or.
Speaker 5: Eighty percent of the time.
Speaker 6: Like I'm gonna sit this race out, I'm gona talk
Speaker 6: about Kamala and Donald Trump. Now I'm talking about your
Speaker 6: member of Congress, I'm talking about your mayor, I'm talking
Speaker 6: about your city council member. And I think we sometimes
Speaker 6: get so we want people to pass purity tests. We
Speaker 6: can never pass at work, correct, You just hit it,
Speaker 6: you just hit it.
Speaker 5: We can never at the store.
Speaker 1: That's a type of that is a type of voter
Speaker 1: just to some of us are harm reductionists, as voters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are others of us who are changing. Those who
Speaker 1: are who are better than sixty percent. There are others
Speaker 1: who are Just this is the thing that is really
Speaker 1: bugging me. I never voted before, but I'm going to
Speaker 1: the polls because I believe marijuana to be legal. That's it, period,
Speaker 1: enough said, I'm done.
Speaker 2: So I just I'm glad you're finally motivated. I'm glad
Speaker 2: you're finally motivated.
Speaker 5: Shot, But you.
Speaker 6: Got the point. The point here is this, And I
Speaker 6: don't want to skirt this either. This is so I
Speaker 6: wish we need to do this like a three hour
Speaker 6: podcast one day. But I think this is such a
Speaker 6: profound This is why Tiff is our journalist. It's such
Speaker 6: a profound question because it causes us to stress test
Speaker 6: one our history. Like if you look at the historic
Speaker 6: win of the Democrats in two thousand and six sweep
Speaker 6: took over. They were there, they were winning on draining
Speaker 6: the swamp right language that has now been stolen from
Speaker 6: the Democratic Party. That particular Congress was even though there
Speaker 6: were black people who became chairs of committees, it was
Speaker 6: particularly harmful to black members of Congress and black politics
Speaker 6: because they were asked to regularly hold their those they
Speaker 6: were going to get to it. Then two thousand and eight,
Speaker 6: hold your nose, Barack Obama's get to you second term,
Speaker 6: and we keep holding our nose and never getting a win.
Speaker 6: And now what has happened is the same black folks
Speaker 6: who need to vote for this party for it to
Speaker 6: stay in power, to retrieve power, to regain power, They're like, well,
Speaker 6: what do.
Speaker 5: I get for it if I do? Because every time
Speaker 5: I do this, I have to wait.
Speaker 6: That is a real wrestling and a family conversation that
Speaker 6: we have to have because it just won't work anymore.
Speaker 6: And one of the things I really appreciate about with
Speaker 6: Kamala what Madame Vice President said yesterday or tip whenever
Speaker 6: I did the interview, Okay, I messed this up every
Speaker 6: time she said that we shouldn't try to be reflective
Speaker 6: and reminiscent on what was the system that was because
Speaker 6: we know it was broken, So we shouldn't be striving
Speaker 6: to go back to rebuild something we talked about on
Speaker 6: podcasts too that we know it doesn't work, So what
Speaker 6: does the new road look like?
Speaker 3: I know we got to get to CTA's. I know
Speaker 3: we got to get to CTAs so yeah, but I
Speaker 3: just I appreciated that question a lot because it makes
Speaker 3: you dig a little deeper. And like, I don't think
Speaker 3: I'm a seventy five to twenty five type of voter.
Speaker 3: I'm a we can't be free until we all are
Speaker 3: free type of voter. And like I just look at
Speaker 3: the core ethics or morals or the what the what
Speaker 3: the inherent beliefs are of the choice, because I mean,
Speaker 3: it's you're making a choice when you cast a ballot,
Speaker 3: and if if that, if those inherent beliefs are more
Speaker 3: in line with mine, even if they're not all in
Speaker 3: line with mine, then that is how I cast my ballot.
Speaker 1: I hear you, Well, you continue this.
Speaker 4: Get the viewer question. We had another viewer question.
Speaker 1: Yep, We're going to get to that. We're going to
Speaker 1: get to that. Right after I finished this. We are
Speaker 1: hopefully going to continue this conversation as a part of
Speaker 1: our mini pod today. We'll talk a little bit further
Speaker 1: on the electoral side and get underneath some of the
Speaker 1: apparatus that helps some of these campaigns to succeed or not.
Speaker 1: And I also think it will be able to dig
Speaker 1: a little bit on what is accountability of your people,
Speaker 1: your side, how do you hold them accountable? And before
Speaker 1: we head to our CTAs, want to kick to this
Speaker 1: viewer question and maybe the best cook among us think
Speaker 1: you can address it. Ah, I'm a breakfast cook.
Speaker 12: Hello Native LAMPI I am Chessatia. I am the managing partner.
Speaker 12: All I want to do is feed you well and
Speaker 12: I create one of the kind experiences culturally relevant experiences
Speaker 12: around food. I got the opportunity to see you at Afrotech,
Speaker 12: but didn't have quite the time to ask my question.
Speaker 12: I am a native of Chicago and I have been
Speaker 12: activated in the Bay Area for the past ten years.
Speaker 12: My question has a lot to do with why I'm
Speaker 12: at Afrotech this year. It has to do with our
Speaker 12: recipes and our legacy data. My question to you is
Speaker 12: who is protecting our recipes holding on to our recipes?
Speaker 12: If you could name at least three people who you
Speaker 12: will leave without naming Michael Harriet, whose book is Magnificent,
Speaker 12: I bought three copses without being Michael Harriet. But somewhere
Speaker 12: in that line, who is holding on and preserving our
Speaker 12: legacy data and holding on our recipes?
Speaker 1: That's y'all.
Speaker 4: I love that question.
Speaker 13: I love.
Speaker 4: It's good because I know a lot of families this
Speaker 4: month are going to be making Thanksgiving dinners. And I
Speaker 4: was thinking, just this week, I used to, like a
Speaker 4: lot of black women or black girls. I used to
Speaker 4: sit in the kitchen just watching my grandmother cook, and
Speaker 4: while we were talking, you know, she'd like, you know,
Speaker 4: dice these onions from me, you know, chop these peppers.
Speaker 4: You know, I was her sous chef while also getting
Speaker 4: like life advice from her, So she was teaching me
Speaker 4: how to cook before I could see over the stove,
Speaker 4: but also just hearing those moments. And you know, I
Speaker 4: live alone, so it's not often that I'm cooking like
Speaker 4: a huge meal. And every Thanksgiven, we would all the
Speaker 4: entire family would be an audience and stand around my
Speaker 4: grandmother and watch her make her dressing because it was
Speaker 4: so good. And I was thinking, like, damn, did I
Speaker 4: still make her dressing? She passed away like ten years ago,
Speaker 4: and I haven't made dressing in probably ten years, like
Speaker 4: since she passed away, and I was trying to think
Speaker 4: of everything that went into it. So this question, I think, is,
Speaker 4: so as we lose our elders, lose our ancestors, you
Speaker 4: know all the things that we've learned to make how
Speaker 4: are we holding onto this? So to answer her question,
Speaker 4: I would say Chef Carla Hall. I know Chef Carla
Speaker 4: Hall has the book coming out. We should have her
Speaker 4: on the show, but I think she'd be a good person.
Speaker 4: Potentially Melba who we love, Joy Reed and I hosted
Speaker 4: a special with her, Melbyn Harlem, who loves the show.
Speaker 4: So those are my two answers.
Speaker 3: But I'm curious my answers are a little different because
Speaker 3: when I think about could take, say, keeping your recipes,
Speaker 3: I just don't think about it in the kitchen.
Speaker 5: So I was it didn't sound like she did either.
Speaker 4: I mean I think I just totally misunderstand that.
Speaker 3: Yeah you might have because Michael Harriet. But then no,
Speaker 3: I think you're right. But I think she referenced both.
Speaker 3: And I like the fact, by the way, her name
Speaker 3: is dope, because you know, she just didn't say cook.
Speaker 2: She said cook.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, the name said that you ain't coming for
Speaker 3: no half ass meal. You know we gonna cook. Well,
Speaker 3: So I appreciate that, but I think that our the
Speaker 3: stewards of our recipes. And I'm biased because I grew
Speaker 3: up in a household of one are our HBCU presidents.
Speaker 3: I don't think that they get enough love. I don't
Speaker 3: think they get enough support, encouragement and thanks. But I
Speaker 3: think those individuals have their finger on the pulse of
Speaker 3: a generation. They're always changing. That generation is always growing.
Speaker 3: They're always nurturing and shout out to people like doctor
Speaker 3: Warmack at Klaflin and roslind artists at Benedict. I mean,
Speaker 3: are they are the ones who are on the front
Speaker 3: lines with what are not the future leaders, They're the
Speaker 3: leaders of today. So I think that that is where
Speaker 3: our recipes get passed down and cultivated and preserved.
Speaker 6: I'm thinking about I'm just saying to name too quickly, Andrew.
Speaker 6: I want to hear your thoughts too. But there are
Speaker 6: two people who I feel like regularly stretched well. I
Speaker 6: can't say Michael Harriet, but of course he stretches us too.
Speaker 6: I want to go to Nicole Hannah Jones because recently
Speaker 6: she just uh, I think she purchased or she's renting
Speaker 6: out of space tip correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 4: She's building a building a place. Yeah, so she bought
Speaker 4: a building, a warehouse in Bedstye that's going to be
Speaker 4: books in Bourbon, her two favorite things. Hell, it's going
Speaker 4: to be a writer's residency with like three apartments. It's
Speaker 4: going to be a like we can record the live
Speaker 4: podcast there. It's going to be like a speakeasy that
Speaker 4: only her cool people know about. It's going to be
Speaker 4: a bookstore.
Speaker 2: All the things you.
Speaker 3: Just told, just told every listener about to speak easy Nicole.
Speaker 13: You know, Hell, But but I wanted I wanted to
Speaker 13: bring that up because what I love even about this
Speaker 13: purchase tip is it's an old black owned hardware store
Speaker 13: in Bedstye, And to me, like Nicole will find a
Speaker 13: way to make sure that we are going to learn
Speaker 13: our history, whether it's on paper it's tough agree or
Speaker 13: it's through a purchase like this, I think it's profound.
Speaker 6: And she just inspires me to constantly think out out
Speaker 6: the box, so it stretches me. I think about recipes
Speaker 6: that stretch you, not the simple ones you know off hand,
Speaker 6: but like the ones you might have to remix it
Speaker 6: to make sure it tastes good. And then I also
Speaker 6: want to shout out our friend Van Nwkirk, who is
Speaker 6: regularly going to find the stories of people that you
Speaker 6: may not have had on your walls grown up on
Speaker 6: your mantle on the church fan. He goes to find
Speaker 6: these people who are working to preserve their own legacy
Speaker 6: and there might also preserve our own. So at an
Speaker 6: end of time right now where I feel like the
Speaker 6: recipes are the things that Tiff talked about being passed down.
Speaker 6: The main way we can pass things down is to
Speaker 6: ensure we know how they're fighting against us, so we
Speaker 6: can proactively fight back. And of course y'all are my
Speaker 6: recipe keepers too. I get stretched by y'all every week.
Speaker 6: Sometimes y'all get on my nerves, but I'm always better
Speaker 6: for it.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you and vice versa.
Speaker 2: In all the way especially.
Speaker 1: I think I think doctor Abram Kenny is an important.
Speaker 14: Part of our history of today and obviously collecting history
Speaker 14: of the past and helping us draw connections between them.
Speaker 1: And I think another recipe keeper who is important that
Speaker 1: I can't name a singular person here, are going to
Speaker 1: be those people who are in your community who can
Speaker 1: track back. Almost every time a new thing is introduced
Speaker 1: that folks want to do right now in my city,
Speaker 1: you know, they're trying to determine where they want to
Speaker 1: want to give the publicly owned land of the hospital,
Speaker 1: the same hospital which didn't treat black folks until the sixties,
Speaker 1: want to give it to Florida State University, thereby becoming
Speaker 1: an asset of the state of Florida. Now giving it
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying, because this is a hospital paid
Speaker 1: for by local residents. And I've just read some of
Speaker 1: the most compelling things and from people writing about just
Speaker 1: elements of history that auto service cautionary note, cautionary tale
Speaker 1: to the decision makers of today about why it would
Speaker 1: be a bad reason to make this decision. Some of
Speaker 1: those cautionary detales are rooted in racism, others in classism,
Speaker 1: others in the power of the state to bigfoot people locally.
Speaker 1: And I just think these perspectives are so important, they're
Speaker 1: so rich, and it just sometimes takes the lived experience
Speaker 1: to have seen how people once reacted something to remind
Speaker 1: us that, hey, it may have happened fifty years ago,
Speaker 1: but if you don't trust now, trust trust, trust trust forever.
Speaker 1: Now after Donald Trump, that the things that we thought
Speaker 1: had once gone away and would never revisit us is
Speaker 1: right now the monster, supermonster that we're fighting right now.
Speaker 1: So those those recipe keepers who are resident in cities, counties,
Speaker 1: communities all over the country, who are keeping score and
Speaker 1: keeping record to remind us that, Nah, you don't want
Speaker 1: to go down that path. We traveled it and I
Speaker 1: can tell you where it leads. They're important to our
Speaker 1: community recipes. That was That was really fun. I also
Speaker 1: appreciate you a question or allowing us to sort of
Speaker 1: expand in our own interpretation your your definition. So thank you, chef.
Speaker 1: Y'all we're at CTAs.
Speaker 15: Who cares about truth in the last morning?
Speaker 1: Seen it? Where should we began? Tiff? What you got
Speaker 1: for us?
Speaker 4: Okay? Well, mine is a little selfish. I'm crowdsourcing. We
Speaker 4: used to be able to do this on Twitter before
Speaker 4: it turned into a right wing garbage but you could
Speaker 4: ask people like for information and you could actually get
Speaker 4: in its early days, you can get good info and
Speaker 4: I get it less so on Instagram too now. So
Speaker 4: hopefully our listeners can help me out the Moors, as
Speaker 4: I'm sure a lot of people know the Moors ruled
Speaker 4: Spain for like eight hundred years, and so the concept
Speaker 4: of Africans Spain for that long. I will be honest,
Speaker 4: I don't know a lot about it, and I have
Speaker 4: been looking for books to read about that, like how
Speaker 4: it came to be and how they lost Spain. So
Speaker 4: I am crowdsourcing asking if you know of really good books,
Speaker 4: not so much academic because I get lost in those,
Speaker 4: but more a narrative of how this happened. If you
Speaker 4: know of great documentaries that tell this story, I kind
Speaker 4: of want both. Please leave a comment. I will look
Speaker 4: at it. I'm definitely looking to learn more about that,
Speaker 4: not for any reason, just because I want to know,
Speaker 4: but I think when we hear about these stories, it
Speaker 4: changes how we look at the times happening now and
Speaker 4: changes how we feel about ourselves. So yeah, if anybody
Speaker 4: knows of a really great book on how the more
Speaker 4: Is conquered and ruled Spain for eight hundred years and
Speaker 4: what happened, drop a note.
Speaker 3: Nice b What you got minus is kind of simple,
Speaker 3: But I just want to remind people to find something
Speaker 3: to be really really good at. I was in a
Speaker 3: trial last week. I have another trial coming up next week,
Speaker 3: and it just reminded me that I love my profession
Speaker 3: and my.
Speaker 1: Goal is so damn good as to be very very
Speaker 1: good at it.
Speaker 3: And when I was playing basketball in high school, my
Speaker 3: coach reminded me that I was a jack of all
Speaker 3: trades and a master of none, and I just think
Speaker 3: about that often. Many times we get caught up in
Speaker 3: trying to be fast and be quick, and we forget
Speaker 3: that there is innate value and being very very good
Speaker 3: at something. So whatever you're focused on, just be the
Speaker 3: very best, y'all.
Speaker 6: My call to action is going to be to please
Speaker 6: find Bacari's high school stats. I'd like them for Tiff,
Speaker 6: who is our resident sports expert, just in case we
Speaker 6: can use that against him as well while his haze
Speaker 6: up continues. Mine is I borrow something from the conversation
Speaker 6: with Madam Vice President yesterday, which is to God this week,
Speaker 6: which is to not let your light be dimmed by
Speaker 6: this moment.
Speaker 5: Again.
Speaker 6: We're in the record breaking government shut down and it's
Speaker 6: impacting everyone from hunger to health care. So I want
Speaker 6: to make sure that while you are fighting to preserve
Speaker 6: your light, you might be one of the furlough workers,
Speaker 6: you might be somebody who's been laid off, that you
Speaker 6: don't let your light be dimmed, and that you keep
Speaker 6: talking to us. All we want to hear from you
Speaker 6: if you've been impacted by this shutdown. If you're experiencing
Speaker 6: healthcare premiums rising, we want to know, we want to
Speaker 6: be able to tell your story, and we certainly want
Speaker 6: to be helpful.
Speaker 5: Again.
Speaker 6: We've been inspired by so many folks in our community
Speaker 6: who have reached out to lend a helping hand in
Speaker 6: this really, really difficult time.
Speaker 1: I love it, mind quick. It's because it is for
Speaker 1: myself and anybody else who wants to take my mother's words.
Speaker 1: My mom had a knee replacement surgery this week, and
Speaker 1: so we spent some time together at the hospital, and
Speaker 1: Bacary while we were together, she said, now, let me
Speaker 1: ask you why you won't let Bacar we talk. Why
Speaker 1: do you keep why you keeping the rupt them? You know,
Speaker 1: I thank you because you listened on the show, but
Speaker 1: you don't need to be running over other people talking
Speaker 1: and that is a good boy, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to see you do that again. So Bacary, I apologize
Speaker 1: as I did at the I said mine did say
Speaker 1: sorry at the end of the show, and then you
Speaker 1: said something else, and then I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what else I said. Then I remember I hate
Speaker 1: you feel that way, and I was like, there's another
Speaker 1: So just no, man, my mama really rides for you.
Speaker 1: I had not been admonished before by her for something.
Speaker 1: And I apologize to all my co hosts for running
Speaker 1: over you, which I hopefully really do, but I will.
Speaker 6: Being sensitive to her other child because you don't be
Speaker 6: running over here.
Speaker 5: Y'all was running over each other.
Speaker 2: No, it was good.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think people were just amazed that it
Speaker 3: took one hundred and three episodes for you to get
Speaker 3: a word in. So that's what Andrew sounds like.
Speaker 1: Anyway, y'all have been listening to I'll be back with
Speaker 1: her tomorrow. We're getting moved to uh to rehab. But
Speaker 1: she's a charger. She's getting up. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: the day of the morning she had surgery, first thing
Speaker 1: in the morning. That afternoon, the guy from from what
Speaker 1: do you call that therapy?
Speaker 11: Therapy came in and boy had her out of the
Speaker 11: bed walking to the bathroom, and because of the way
Speaker 11: she was, you know, struggling, I was like, man, we
Speaker 11: got to do this now.
Speaker 1: But you know they know best. You got to get
Speaker 1: moving when you get a new replacement. So thank you
Speaker 1: for asking. She is well, wishes us well, and we'll
Speaker 1: see you tomorrow. We'll move her to a residency.
Speaker 2: Welcome home, We.
Speaker 1: Welcome home, and welcome Welcome to recovery mommy. And for
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