WEBVTT - The Politics of Instagram | MiniPod 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.360 Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio and partnership 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:12.079 with Reason Choice Media. Welcome home, everybody. This is the 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:16.040 Tiffany Crass, the Angela Ray, and I'm Andrew Gillum. You're 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:23.280 tuned into this week's minipod. Instagram has quietly limited political content. 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.040 And I asked you know some of my co hosts, 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.840 actually all of them, are we able to be seen 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:32.400 on Instagram if they're limiting political content because we talk 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:33.440 a lot of politics. 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:34.000 Yeah. 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:38.840 In fact, we're curious to know how you have been 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:43.080 experiencing this because there is a new default setting, whether 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:45.120 you know it or not, on Instagram that limits the 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:49.440 amount of political content shown in your feed. Now. Instagram 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:53.560 promises that if you decide to follow accounts that post 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:57.639 political content, we don't want to get between you and 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:01.600 their post, But we also don't want to be proactively 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:05.000 recommending political content from accounts that you don't follow. Could 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:08.360 you also please not randomly allow ads to follow me 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:10.600 all the way through my experience on Instagram too? That's 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:15.200 an aside. A separate new default setting now limits content 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:19.399 in your feed that has been reviewed by independent fact 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:24.919 checkers in found to contain false or partially false information. 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:30.160 What say, okay, can I this phrase this? So the 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:34.640 parent company Meta introduced a policy in early February. Is 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:37.400 just hitting the news now, but the situation is in 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:40.160 early February, this was a policy that was introduced that 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:40.759 would apply. 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:41.440 Obviously. 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:45.959 Meta is the parent company of Facebook, Instagram, and Threads, 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:49.720 and their policy is to tamp down on the amount 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:52.840 of political content that will show up in your feeds 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:57.880 from accounts that users do not typically follow. So I 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.400 know there's a lot of outrage about the but I 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.000 think it's important to put this in context and why. 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:08.919 So this is not necessarily a bad policy from Meta, 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:12.200 but it does come around eight years too late. So 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:16.119 if we can remember what happened in twenty sixteen, this 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:20.519 is how foreign governments were able to infiltrate our election process. 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:25.120 They did it by influencing opinions. So in twenty sixteen, 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:31.600 the IRA this is the Internet Russia agency, purchased a 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.920 lot of ads on Facebook. I think thirty five hundred 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:37.919 ads to be exact. And this was not a time 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.960 that Instagram was as popular, but they purchased Facebook and 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:45.600 Instagram ads to influence the presidential election. So you remember 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:47.560 at that time there are a lot of people posting 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:51.280 about Trayvon Martin, Sandra Bland, and people were following these 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.720 accounts and engaging with them. What we later found out 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:58.680 is that a lot of those were Russian bots because 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.760 they spent maybe two were three months here and to 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.960 figure out how do we infiltrate this. Oh, I got it. 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:08.079 They treat black people really shitty there, so let's make 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.480 that our thing. It took them that long to do that. 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:12.640 It wasn't the first time they did it, and so 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:14.720 as a result, a lot of people real quick, I 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:16.440 don't want you to I don't want to go, don't 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:17.720 want you to get too far from this point. 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:21.520 The IRA is Internet Research Agency. It was a troll farm. 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:23.160 So I just wanted to correct one thing because you 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:25.320 just said Internet Russian. I was like, that's not familiar 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:27.239 Internet read We're just probably just moving fast. 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:29.280 But I thought it was Internet Russia. But I think 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.359 that makes more research research agency. 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:32.639 It is a Russian entity. 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:37.680 Yes, so it's an IRA, which is a Russian entity 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:40.400 Internet research agency. 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:42.080 Yeah, I'm pretty sure. 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.080 I wrote in my book that came out four years ago, 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:46.360 Internet Russian Agency. 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:47.000 So now that. 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:54.800 Different Internet research She was making a point, which is 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:56.960 it's the point is, but thank you for correcting me, 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.000 because that's an important point, and this is an arm 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.760 of the Kremlin. And so at that time, a lot 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:03.760 of black folks felt, well, if the only time I'm 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:07.400 seeing outrage is from one of these Russian bots, well 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:10.200 then I'm going to follow and engage because the mainstream 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:13.240 media has summarily dismissed our experience here and our pain. 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.080 So by as a result of purchasing these ads, the 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.240 IRA was able to reach over one hundred and forty 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:21.280 six million people. 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:23.839 Most of those people were black people. 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.360 So I just want to put that in context as 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.159 we talk about why this happened and why this is 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:29.800 happening now. 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:37.960 Yeah, except that we didn't get to opt out before, right, 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:41.440 So in this case, the company has opted us out 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.560 and we have to go back and opt in to 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:48.000 receiving ads that would have normally showed up in our algorithm. 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:53.000 Well, because they're saying you accounts that you don't. 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.680 Already follow, I right, But there are a lot of 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:57.680 accounts I don't follow. There are a lot of counts 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:03.880 that I don't follow that populate right inside my feed. 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:07.640 All I'm saying is why not give the viewer the 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:13.160 choice to opt out rather than us having to opt in. 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.360 Almost every other default setting opts us into something. They 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:19.360 opt me into location, they opt me into tracking, they 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.760 opt me into this, they op me into that. But 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:23.960 then I've got to then opt out when it comes 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:24.920 to political content. 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:29.320 I am concerned about this for a number of reasons. 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:30.240 Andrew ld with this. 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.720 Our podcast is political, and I will tell you that 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:37.080 it's been interesting to see there's been a tremendous shift 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.919 in our likes and our engagement over the course of 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:41.760 the last month. So when I saw this, I was like, 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.960 oh my god, no wonder. So for people who don't know, 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:48.000 when you go into Instagram and you click on your settings, 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.960 this is my tutorial day, click on those little three 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.599 lines and you click on those three lines and you 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:58.159 scroll down to content preferences. There are several videos on this, 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:01.800 but I just want to walk through this preferences and 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:06.039 there's literally an item here now that says political content. 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:10.080 It doesn't say ads is political content. When you click 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:13.200 on that, you get two options. Limit political content from 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:16.800 people you don't follow. You might see less political or 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:22.360 social topics in your suggested content. That's that search bar 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:24.520 when you click on search, Mine is all babies, Tips 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.200 is all dogs. I don't know Andrew wist in your search, 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:31.360 then it probably all books. Then it says or don't 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.960 limit political content from people you don't follow. You might 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:38.880 see more political or social topics in your suggested content. 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:39.960 So I clicked on. 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:45.479 Don't limit political, and that's the second option. It says 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:53.960 this affects suggestions and explore reels, feed recommendations, and suggested users. Allegedly, 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.760 it says it does not affect the content from accounts 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:00.680 you follow. This setting also applies to threads. I think 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:04.039 that my issue here is and again I was raised 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:04.839 by an activist. 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:06.160 I am very. 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:13.640 Concerned and I am skeptical that they have some independent 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:15.920 fact checkers on. 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.480 Things that I should and should not be receiving. 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.559 I get why it's important to like, I love now 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:25.440 that Twitter will formally the artist formally known as Twitter 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.480 has the thing that'll say like, this content is false 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.680 because of x y Z. I think that's great, and 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.480 to Tip's point, it is several years too late. But 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:35.600 also like, I want to be able to make my 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.000 own decision about whether or not I want to engage 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:41.880 in something and as you all both know, during the 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:46.680 unrest around George Floyd's murder, they were limiting contents. They 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:50.560 were black bawling BLM pieces and the BLM hashtag. I 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:52.840 don't want them to do that for me, especially in 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:55.880 a year like now. We know this is not just 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.240 a typical election year. We're in a political war. I 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:01.560 don't want them that content for me. I want to 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:06.160 decide for myself. And it's just interesting that we are now. 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.160 It feels like talking about social media platforms every week. 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.920 Last week it was the TikTok ban and what that 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.240 could mean. It sounds more like a forced sale to 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.920 a rich billionaire in America, maybe even the Department of 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:23.960 Treasury secretary, former Department Treasury Secretary Manuchin, a Trump guy. 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:28.080 But the thing is, we have to be very cognizant 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.520 of these things. For some of the young people in 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.160 our community, even some of the older folks, the primary 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.840 source of news where they read a headline is on 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.439 social media. We're starting to put headlines on our page 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:40.439 because we know I know, Tip, but it's true. 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:41.360 We're starting to put. 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:44.560 Headlines on our page because people aren't hearing about these things. 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:46.800 And Tip, as you say, often before you do this 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:50.360 all the way. Sometimes we're talking about things that you're 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:54.560 not able to see on mainstream media outlets. So for example, 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:58.160 sessiona's office being shut down, the Office of Diversity and 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:00.000 Inclusion in the House. We put that up pretty early. 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.840 We got a lot of engagement around that because people 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:04.320 didn't know that that was happening. 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:06.440 We have to figure out a way to reach people. 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.800 But if we can't because they're limiting the content because 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.320 they decided that it wasn't factually accurate. What if they 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:16.000 decided that our post wasn't accurate because the Republicans eventually 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.520 are first talked about it in the rules package instead 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.400 of when they defunded it, when the money was actually 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.280 stripped from that office last week, or because it was 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:28.200 a rebrand, it's not really the elimination of it. Like, 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.760 I don't want them subjectively choosing that for us. So 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.120 I got some serious feelings about this, and I'm worried 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.320 about it because I've been thinking and been concerned that 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:42.079 they've been black boweling activists and silencing people with voices 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.199 that matter around issues that could you know, really gen 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:48.120 people up on issues that we care about, getting folks 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:51.160 mobilized I don't want them deciding that for us. If 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:53.439 they're like, well, this isn't really a voter suppression bill, 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:55.440 it's a voter id buill, don't decide that for me. 0:09:55.720 --> 0:10:01.480 Let me decide that. 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:02.760 They need to be regulated more intensely. I'm saying that 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.959 we were out here spewing that which I am. I mean, 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:09.520 I think that they have run away with the whole barn. 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.920 Is that too political? And do I get devalued? And again, 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:15.440 when you're talking abou platforms like Hours that are attempting 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.880 to grow an audience, to introduce ourselves, we're only twelve 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:24.640 episodes old, right, and the pantheon of of lifespans and 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:29.800 now we can't enter. We can't pierce anybody's curiosity with 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.120 what it is that we have to say that likely 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.800 happens to be showing up in their feed because they 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.920 said a word, or engage in an action or like 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.920 another thing that might be similar to what we're talking about. 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:43.760 So even though I don't know follow us, the reason 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.320 why it's popping up for me is because based off 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:48.520 the other things that I follow, the types of people 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.760 that I follow, and the types of sources that I consult, 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.200 this might be a good option for me. So that 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:59.160 goes away when somebody in some box somewhere who I 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:01.200 don't know, can't call name of it, and certainly can't 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:04.000 reach on the phone or in an email, decides that 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:07.280 what I have to say is too political, discomforting, disquieting, 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.319 that's not right. And we were talking about China running 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:15.000 away with a misinformation war. What about the misinformation that's 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:19.200 been perpetrated right here at home. We have got to 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:21.160 take a quick break, pay some bills, and we'll be 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:21.680 right back. 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:30.360 I hear both your points, and I think those are 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:34.080 legitimate points, because I've certainly seen a decrease in our 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:38.680 engagement too. I don't know the solution here, but in 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:42.680 twenty sixteen, if Russia were trying to or we know 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.760 that Russia was trying to infiltrate our election process, for 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:49.000 sure they have company. In twenty twenty four, I'd imagine 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:51.920 Iran has a vested interest in how this election turns out. 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:56.200 I'd imagine China most certainly has a vested interest in 0:11:56.240 --> 0:12:00.920 how this election turns out. Well, I think yeah, I 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:04.520 think China and Iran. I don't think there's been any 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:09.080 US intel evidence that Israel has has ever tried to, 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:11.760 so I don't actually. 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.640 Said vested interest in sorry how it turns out. 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:17.640 I mean, though, people who would join Russia and trying 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.440 to influence the outcome of the election. So I would 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.800 say China, Iran, and who knows what other hostile governments 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.360 in the United States. So I do think this does 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:33.559 require some attention. I think social media can certainly not exacerbate, 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:37.920 but put on a under a microscope the political polarization 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.760 that happens in the country. I don't think it introduces it, 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.480 and I don't think it influences somebody to. 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:45.120 Feel the way they don't already feel. 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:49.360 So I don't know the solution, but I can't say that, 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:51.360 you know, they should just let it be a free 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:55.280 for all. I think it might be a regulatory issue. 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:57.400 It is a huge regulatory issue. 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.520 The success of foreign actors playing in our election actions 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:04.680 happened to be then playing on the sympathies, real life 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:09.200 sympathies of people who were expressing what they legit felt, 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:14.440 except it was being multiplied, right, so you saw it 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.160 more often, more fiercely. If you were into it before, 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:20.160 then you're going to hear those voices. You know that 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:24.319 many more times. But they were using grievances and contents 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:28.680 generated by us and selling it back to us, just 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.600 as political parties do and just as others do. But 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:33.320 I mean, I think the point I would rest on 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:38.679 is one get information from a whole variety of different sources, right. 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.200 And reading. 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:46.200 Secondly, we all ought to be fighting fiercely for liberties 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:48.319 that we once held sacri saying, which now we're just 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.360 willing to flip over and turn over in the name 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.760 of national security. Anytime I hear the national security state 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.440 warning me off of something, I'm going the opposite direction 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:59.480 because I'm not sure what they're motivated by. I know 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.880 a defense budget exists that I don't get to see. 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:05.800 I know that there are other clandestine operations that occurred 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.200 not just here, but abroad and within our hemisphere and 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:13.719 outside of it. And I don't want anybody censoring. 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:18.880 Me, And I don't want anybody like censoring for me either, 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:19.720 you know what I mean. 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:21.800 Like I'm not a child, I don't want. 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:25.280 I want to be able to have some independence in 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:29.440 what I consume. I also think that what is scary 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.600 to me is the number of folks I'm about to 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:36.440 I'm just warning, I'm about to completely contradict myself. But 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.960 there are also some instances where people rely on some 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:44.040 accounts that they really shouldn't. It really is not good information. 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.640 It's not just political. It's information that's bad and not 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.160 true about your health. It's information that's bad and not 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:52.080 true about different herbs that you should consume or different 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.400 foods that you can eat. And they turn into this 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:56.560 or they do that. There was a whole piece the 0:14:56.600 --> 0:15:00.160 other day that I saw where this guy was trying 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:03.280 to argue that you should not drink water as a human. 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.080 You should get your water from other places because you 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:07.120 don't stand on all. 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:08.920 Fours drink the water. 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:12.280 That is not a limitation of political content, but it 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:13.520 is limitation of bullshit. 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:17.880 Can you please not on? It's outrageous. 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.880 And the thing that I worry about now is young 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.600 folks were kind of raised in this era where they 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:27.440 weren't necessarily told that Wikipedia, for example, is not a 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:29.000 primary source you know. 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:31.280 To it's not a research tool. 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.280 Right right, You have to still cite yours. That's why 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:35.680 I love that tip. Will hate somebody up about it, 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:37.400 like what was your source? Though, I'm glad that you 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:39.840 looked it up. What was the source, because it could 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:42.120 have got that from booboo tofood dot com. We're not 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:44.240 here for booboodofood dot com. Like, were not trying to 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.360 amplify booboo food dot com. We don't want to cite 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:49.320 statistics from boobootofood dot com. And we're definitely not trying 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.840 to see that in our Instagram search. So Instagram, you 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.560 want to do me a favorite, limit some stuff. Look 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.040 at the people that's touting this other stuff, Like I 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:58.320 can figure out the politics. 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:02.280 Maybe everybody can't believe me alone. Give me an exemption. 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.480 The reporting on this. This is according to the AP 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:09.760 that ninety seven percent of the misinformation that they fact 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.840 checked was targeted towards conservatives, which makes a lot of sense, 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:14.760 makes so much. 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:16.600 Sense innative reality. 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.640 Sure, when you think about some of the nonsense that 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:20.560 they say. 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:22.000 Wait TIF, wait TIF, what is it? 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:22.320 Tiff? 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:23.800 What is it? The nonsense? 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:29.880 Nonsense spouts I don't understand how I'm saying it wrong 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.440 nonsense nonsense? 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.280 Yeah, I mean it's just it's nonsense. Give me a 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:37.600 different affect. 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:40.960 What's you? What's the non pieces do they wear? What's 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:41.880 the head piece they wear? 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:43.360 Hobbit? Is it a hobbit. 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:45.400 Yeah, give me one of those. I want one of those. 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:51.000 For this part of the nonsense, Albert says, I say everybody, we. 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:54.480 Should say we should use nonsense instead of nonsense, because 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:56.720 if we use nonsense, maybe become smarter. 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:58.960 Anyway, Yeah, it's. 0:16:58.880 --> 0:16:59.960 Nonsense and nonsense. 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:04.960 Start checking anyway, Start filtering those horrible commercials and ads 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.159 and shoes and all that stuff. 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:11.600 And just read. Young people read, but don't read everything. 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:13.600 Can we give them some sources we need to give 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:18.040 credible book Let's start with some books because those are 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:21.520 typically vetted well, those are even if you're reading something 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:23.800 that you disagree with, those are typically fact checked and 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:25.560 vetted through publishing houses. 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:33.840 So I always recommending even Bill O'Reilly's book, I believe. 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:35.960 I don't know because I don't know who his publisher is. 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.800 But I think the point I'm making about reading books 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.480 is you can question it, question everything, question what you 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.800 read in the times. But getting something on social media 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:49.440 is not engaging in any kind of reputable political discourse. 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.480 And I can't tell you how many young people will 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.040 come to me and say they want to do what 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:57.080 I do or what what all of us do? And 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.920 I always ask them. You want to be a journalist, 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.639 tell me about the papers you read every morning, and 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.800 you can't tell you can't cite me a single paper 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:07.000 you read. You don't want to be a journalist. You 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:09.840 want to be on TV, and that's something different. If 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.160 you want to work on Capitol Hill, but you can't 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.560 tell me who your member of Congress is, then you 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:17.680 it's hard to take you seriously. So I just would 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:21.480 encourage young people to have some intellectual curiosity that extends 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:26.760 beyond hashtag activism and Instagram and read something, read something 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:29.480 and question everything. 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:34.520 Is even with the legitimate primary sources you read, there 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.760 are writers who show up with various perspectives, just. 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.160 My textbooks. That's why I was like, they didn't fact 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:41.640 check some. 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:45.280 Of the text to the ether on this whole fact 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:48.760 check thing, because people are going to pursue the sources 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:54.320 that re emphasize and legitimize what they already think facts 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:55.960 be damned, how. 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:57.360 Do we get out of that? Like, I don't even 0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:59.719 want to do that. I don't even want to do that. 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:01.879 I don't want to be the type of person that 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:06.320 will only read something that will support my point. I 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:09.240 want to read something from the other side. I want 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:11.800 to know that what I'm saying is accurate. I don't 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.200 want to just come in and convince people. I want 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:17.439 to be able to rely on a fact based argument. 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:19.680 I used to say that I'm seeing it all the time, 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:21.600 like I don't want to be engaged in a fact 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:23.280 free debate, Like that's a waste of time. 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:25.720 But that's what we are, that's what we are as 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:26.119 a society. 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:28.040 Well, I don't want to stay there, no, but you can, 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:29.639 and I think that you do. I think you do 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:34.160 a good job of engaging opposition. But there are are outlets. 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:34.479 You know. 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:38.480 There is the Washington Post, and there's the Washington Times. 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:40.639 I'm not saying the Washington Post is liberal. Some people 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:42.560 may argue that, but we know the Washington Times is 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:46.160 a conservative paper. There is the Wall Street Journal. They 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:48.480 skew conservative. I read the op ed pages of a 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:49.920 journal almost every day. 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:50.560 There. 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.960 I won't do Fox News because there I don't consider 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:57.159 them a news outlet. But there are conservative papers all 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.199 across the country that lay out their arguments with at 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:04.359 least some intellect. I mean the Walstaed pages. They're conservative, 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:07.240 but it's at least an intellectual argument in exchange of 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:08.320 ideas well, at least. 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:10.800 They tell you up front that it's an opinion, and it's. 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:14.600 An opinion, but what about like like, so I know 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:16.840 this is probably a whole other podcast, and we would 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:19.280 tippy this one. You should lead on news sources because 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.040 you really do read a ton every single day, Like 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:25.800 I admire it. The thing that's been driving me nuts again, 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:28.000 you guys know, I'm in like this loop around Maryland, 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:30.400 Like that's all I read all weekend is like thousands 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:34.000 of court transcript pages. Looking at I had by our 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:39.320 professional development program do a deep dive on articles. Baltimore's 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:43.560 Baltimore Sun was engaged in a strategic hit job, like 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:46.359 article after article after article, and I think some folks 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:49.200