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Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio and partnership

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Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media. Welcome home, everybody. This is the

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Speaker 1: Tiffany Crass, the Angela Ray, and I'm Andrew Gillum. You're

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Speaker 1: tuned into this week's minipod. Instagram has quietly limited political content.

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Speaker 1: And I asked you know some of my co hosts,

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Speaker 1: actually all of them, are we able to be seen

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Speaker 1: on Instagram if they're limiting political content because we talk

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Speaker 1: a lot of politics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In fact, we're curious to know how you have been

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Speaker 1: experiencing this because there is a new default setting, whether

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Speaker 1: you know it or not, on Instagram that limits the

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Speaker 1: amount of political content shown in your feed. Now. Instagram

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Speaker 1: promises that if you decide to follow accounts that post

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Speaker 1: political content, we don't want to get between you and

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Speaker 1: their post, But we also don't want to be proactively

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Speaker 1: recommending political content from accounts that you don't follow. Could

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Speaker 1: you also please not randomly allow ads to follow me

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Speaker 1: all the way through my experience on Instagram too? That's

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Speaker 1: an aside. A separate new default setting now limits content

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Speaker 1: in your feed that has been reviewed by independent fact

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Speaker 1: checkers in found to contain false or partially false information.

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Speaker 3: What say, okay, can I this phrase this? So the

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Speaker 3: parent company Meta introduced a policy in early February. Is

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Speaker 3: just hitting the news now, but the situation is in

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Speaker 3: early February, this was a policy that was introduced that

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Speaker 3: would apply.

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Speaker 4: Obviously.

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Speaker 3: Meta is the parent company of Facebook, Instagram, and Threads,

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Speaker 3: and their policy is to tamp down on the amount

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Speaker 3: of political content that will show up in your feeds

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Speaker 3: from accounts that users do not typically follow. So I

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Speaker 3: know there's a lot of outrage about the but I

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Speaker 3: think it's important to put this in context and why.

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Speaker 3: So this is not necessarily a bad policy from Meta,

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Speaker 3: but it does come around eight years too late. So

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Speaker 3: if we can remember what happened in twenty sixteen, this

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Speaker 3: is how foreign governments were able to infiltrate our election process.

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Speaker 3: They did it by influencing opinions. So in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 3: the IRA this is the Internet Russia agency, purchased a

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Speaker 3: lot of ads on Facebook. I think thirty five hundred

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Speaker 3: ads to be exact. And this was not a time

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Speaker 3: that Instagram was as popular, but they purchased Facebook and

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Speaker 3: Instagram ads to influence the presidential election. So you remember

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Speaker 3: at that time there are a lot of people posting

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Speaker 3: about Trayvon Martin, Sandra Bland, and people were following these

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Speaker 3: accounts and engaging with them. What we later found out

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Speaker 3: is that a lot of those were Russian bots because

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Speaker 3: they spent maybe two were three months here and to

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Speaker 3: figure out how do we infiltrate this. Oh, I got it.

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Speaker 3: They treat black people really shitty there, so let's make

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Speaker 3: that our thing. It took them that long to do that.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't the first time they did it, and so

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Speaker 3: as a result, a lot of people real quick, I

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Speaker 3: don't want you to I don't want to go, don't

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Speaker 3: want you to get too far from this point.

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Speaker 5: The IRA is Internet Research Agency. It was a troll farm.

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Speaker 5: So I just wanted to correct one thing because you

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Speaker 5: just said Internet Russian. I was like, that's not familiar

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Speaker 5: Internet read We're just probably just moving fast.

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Speaker 3: But I thought it was Internet Russia. But I think

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Speaker 3: that makes more research research agency.

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Speaker 2: It is a Russian entity.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so it's an IRA, which is a Russian entity

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Speaker 3: Internet research agency.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

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Speaker 3: I wrote in my book that came out four years ago,

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Speaker 4: So now that.

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Speaker 3: Different Internet research She was making a point, which is

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Speaker 3: it's the point is, but thank you for correcting me,

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Speaker 3: because that's an important point, and this is an arm

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Speaker 3: of the Kremlin. And so at that time, a lot

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Speaker 3: of black folks felt, well, if the only time I'm

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Speaker 3: seeing outrage is from one of these Russian bots, well

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Speaker 3: then I'm going to follow and engage because the mainstream

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Speaker 3: media has summarily dismissed our experience here and our pain.

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Speaker 3: So by as a result of purchasing these ads, the

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Speaker 3: IRA was able to reach over one hundred and forty

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Speaker 4: Most of those people were black people.

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Speaker 3: So I just want to put that in context as

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Speaker 3: we talk about why this happened and why this is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, except that we didn't get to opt out before, right,

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Speaker 1: So in this case, the company has opted us out

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Speaker 1: and we have to go back and opt in to

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Speaker 1: receiving ads that would have normally showed up in our algorithm.

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Speaker 4: Well, because they're saying you accounts that you don't.

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Speaker 1: Already follow, I right, But there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: accounts I don't follow. There are a lot of counts

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Speaker 1: that I don't follow that populate right inside my feed.

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Speaker 1: All I'm saying is why not give the viewer the

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Speaker 1: choice to opt out rather than us having to opt in.

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Speaker 1: Almost every other default setting opts us into something. They

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Speaker 1: opt me into location, they opt me into tracking, they

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Speaker 1: opt me into this, they op me into that. But

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Speaker 1: then I've got to then opt out when it comes

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Speaker 1: to political content.

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Speaker 5: I am concerned about this for a number of reasons.

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Speaker 2: Andrew ld with this.

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Speaker 5: Our podcast is political, and I will tell you that

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Speaker 5: it's been interesting to see there's been a tremendous shift

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Speaker 5: in our likes and our engagement over the course of

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Speaker 5: the last month. So when I saw this, I was like,

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Speaker 5: oh my god, no wonder. So for people who don't know,

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Speaker 5: when you go into Instagram and you click on your settings,

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Speaker 5: this is my tutorial day, click on those little three

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Speaker 5: lines and you click on those three lines and you

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Speaker 5: scroll down to content preferences. There are several videos on this,

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Speaker 5: but I just want to walk through this preferences and

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Speaker 5: there's literally an item here now that says political content.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't say ads is political content. When you click

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Speaker 5: on that, you get two options. Limit political content from

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Speaker 5: people you don't follow. You might see less political or

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Speaker 5: social topics in your suggested content. That's that search bar

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Speaker 5: when you click on search, Mine is all babies, Tips

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Speaker 5: then it probably all books. Then it says or don't

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Speaker 5: limit political content from people you don't follow. You might

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Speaker 5: see more political or social topics in your suggested content.

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Speaker 2: So I clicked on.

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Speaker 5: Don't limit political, and that's the second option. It says

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Speaker 5: this affects suggestions and explore reels, feed recommendations, and suggested users. Allegedly,

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Speaker 5: it says it does not affect the content from accounts

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Speaker 5: you follow. This setting also applies to threads. I think

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Speaker 5: that my issue here is and again I was raised

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Speaker 2: I am very.

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Speaker 5: Concerned and I am skeptical that they have some independent

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Speaker 2: Things that I should and should not be receiving.

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Speaker 5: I get why it's important to like, I love now

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Speaker 5: that Twitter will formally the artist formally known as Twitter

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Speaker 5: has the thing that'll say like, this content is false

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Speaker 5: because of x y Z. I think that's great, and

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Speaker 5: to Tip's point, it is several years too late. But

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Speaker 5: also like, I want to be able to make my

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Speaker 5: in something and as you all both know, during the

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Speaker 5: unrest around George Floyd's murder, they were limiting contents. They

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Speaker 5: don't want them to do that for me, especially in

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Speaker 5: a year like now. We know this is not just

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Speaker 5: a typical election year. We're in a political war. I

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Speaker 5: don't want them that content for me. I want to

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Speaker 5: decide for myself. And it's just interesting that we are now.

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Speaker 5: It feels like talking about social media platforms every week.

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Speaker 5: Last week it was the TikTok ban and what that

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Speaker 5: could mean. It sounds more like a forced sale to

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Speaker 5: a rich billionaire in America, maybe even the Department of

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Speaker 5: But the thing is, we have to be very cognizant

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Speaker 5: our community, even some of the older folks, the primary

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Speaker 5: source of news where they read a headline is on

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Speaker 5: social media. We're starting to put headlines on our page

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Speaker 5: because we know I know, Tip, but it's true.

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Speaker 5: Headlines on our page because people aren't hearing about these things.

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Speaker 5: And Tip, as you say, often before you do this

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Speaker 5: all the way. Sometimes we're talking about things that you're

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Speaker 5: not able to see on mainstream media outlets. So for example,

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Speaker 5: sessiona's office being shut down, the Office of Diversity and

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Speaker 5: Inclusion in the House. We put that up pretty early.

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Speaker 2: We have to figure out a way to reach people.

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Speaker 5: But if we can't because they're limiting the content because

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Speaker 5: they decided that it wasn't factually accurate. What if they

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Speaker 5: I got some serious feelings about this, and I'm worried

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Speaker 5: that matter around issues that could you know, really gen

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Speaker 2: Let me decide that.

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Speaker 1: They need to be regulated more intensely. I'm saying that

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Speaker 1: we were out here spewing that which I am. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think that they have run away with the whole barn.

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Speaker 1: Is that too political? And do I get devalued? And again,

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Speaker 1: when you're talking abou platforms like Hours that are attempting

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Speaker 1: to grow an audience, to introduce ourselves, we're only twelve

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Speaker 1: episodes old, right, and the pantheon of of lifespans and

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Speaker 1: another thing that might be similar to what we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: So even though I don't know follow us, the reason

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Speaker 1: this might be a good option for me. So that

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Speaker 1: that's not right. And we were talking about China running

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Speaker 1: away with a misinformation war. What about the misinformation that's

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Speaker 1: been perpetrated right here at home. We have got to

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Speaker 3: I hear both your points, and I think those are

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Speaker 3: legitimate points, because I've certainly seen a decrease in our

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Speaker 3: engagement too. I don't know the solution here, but in

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Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, if Russia were trying to or we know

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't want to stay there, no, but you can,

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