WEBVTT - Colonialism Part 1 Ft. Andrew

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to it can happen here. I am Andrew of

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<v Speaker 1>Thetube channel Andrewism, and today I like to take some

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<v Speaker 1>time to discuss nations, clonalism, and the people that constitute them.

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<v Speaker 1>That is of course quite broad, but in the end

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that folks are able to come away with

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<v Speaker 1>a sense of at least my version of the anarchist

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<v Speaker 1>position on nations, the impact of colonization and the psyches

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<v Speaker 1>of individuals within nations, and the role of national liberation

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<v Speaker 1>in social revolution. Today I'm joined by me Mia.

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<v Speaker 2>Who oh boy, A great topic. Interesting topic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, indeed, indeed, indeed, I think part of what makes

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<v Speaker 1>the topic so interesting is because of how for lack

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<v Speaker 1>of a better term, how wiggly some of these terms are,

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<v Speaker 1>how hard to pin down some of these definitions are.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very important to be clear at the outset what

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<v Speaker 1>you mean by a nation, what you mean by national liberation,

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing. So what is a nation? What

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<v Speaker 1>comes to mind for you? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, yeah, I knows, have pre prepped an answer

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<v Speaker 2>to this. I have a very difficult time conceiving of

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<v Speaker 2>a nation as something that's separated from a state, which

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<v Speaker 2>I know is something a lot of people try to do.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, it's just been sort of permanently welded to

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<v Speaker 2>the nation state in a way that makes it hard

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<v Speaker 2>to sort of think about without conjoining the two.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fair. That's fair. I think that that really is

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<v Speaker 1>part of what we're going to end up discussing, because

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<v Speaker 1>for one, you know, as we'll see, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>nations were formed through the process of colonization and through

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<v Speaker 1>the process of incorporation into the global you know, superstructure,

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<v Speaker 1>global system. And secondly, it is seen to be the

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<v Speaker 1>ultimate aim of a nation, the greatest accomplishment of a nation,

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<v Speaker 1>to eventually establish their own state, to have a state

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<v Speaker 1>of their own. We call nations that don't have their

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<v Speaker 1>own state state less nations, the Kurds being one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most notable examples. But it really is commonly seen

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<v Speaker 1>that the ultimate accomplishment is for the libration of your people,

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<v Speaker 1>is that you establish a state to rule that people

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<v Speaker 1>for themselves. Of course, what for themselves actually means becomes

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<v Speaker 1>quite clear, as in many cases foreign rulers and the

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<v Speaker 1>practices of foreign rulers just take on a local face.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a there's a Curtis joke that goes roughly,

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<v Speaker 2>getting your own nation state means that you speak, your

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<v Speaker 2>police torture you in your own language.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's fantastic, that is I like that. I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And language really is one of the aspects of what

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<v Speaker 1>it is to be a nation, and it is not

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<v Speaker 1>it's not necessarily the only aspect or primary aspect, but

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<v Speaker 1>it is one aspect. For example, what is considered the

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<v Speaker 1>Basque nation, uh, those in northern Spain and part of

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<v Speaker 1>southern southwestern France. I believe their identity is not entirely,

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<v Speaker 1>but quite significantly tied to their language, because it is

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<v Speaker 1>a language that is completely distinct from any other language

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<v Speaker 1>found in Europe or really anywhere else in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>The language is just one aspect the nation. A nation

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<v Speaker 1>I mean not in the sense of a state or

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<v Speaker 1>a country or political constitution, but in the sense of

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<v Speaker 1>an imagined community of people. An imagined community of people.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that imagined aspect of it is quite important

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Student see, but an imagine the community of

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<v Speaker 1>people formed on the basis of a common language, history, ancestry, society,

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<v Speaker 1>or culture, who are conscious of their autonomy. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>not enough that a group of people merely share a language,

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<v Speaker 1>or share history, or share ancestry, or share society, or

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<v Speaker 1>share culture. It's important that firms we defined as a nation,

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<v Speaker 1>that they are conscious of the fact that they share

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<v Speaker 1>those things in common, and that they use that consciousness

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<v Speaker 1>to develop some sense of an imagine shared identity, imagined community,

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not each individual in that community knows all

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<v Speaker 1>the other individuals in that community. Nations are not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>geographically bound, like you know certain conceptions of nation maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>but rather often diasporic, and some nations even united under

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<v Speaker 1>a banner of nations, such as in the case of

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<v Speaker 1>Pan Africanism, which is a form of nation movement or

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<v Speaker 1>pan nation movement that seeks to unite the thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>ethnic groups and also the diaspora of the consonants of

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<v Speaker 1>Africa in response to the exploitation of outsiders. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>the Pan Affic nation is really a quintessential example of

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<v Speaker 1>how colonism creates nations while exploiting them. And although Native

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<v Speaker 1>America and populations retained slightly more of their heritage than

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<v Speaker 1>the placed African population in North America, though this is

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<v Speaker 1>not to deny what was lost their force displacement also

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<v Speaker 1>created something of a shared ethnic identity, which is where

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<v Speaker 1>you see movements like Red Power popping up during the

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<v Speaker 1>heightened Soviets era. Prior to the process of colonization, they

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<v Speaker 1>were distinct in their cultural groupings. This group would be blackfoot,

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<v Speaker 1>this group would be Cree, this group would be Sioue

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<v Speaker 1>or something right, this group would be Sue. But then

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<v Speaker 1>as they had the shared experience of colonization, they can

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<v Speaker 1>to develop a sense of shared identity against those that

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<v Speaker 1>were colonizing them, a sense of solidarity that transcended their

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<v Speaker 1>previous cultural distinctions and designations. Not that those designations don't

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<v Speaker 1>still exist, but many have adopted a sort of of

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<v Speaker 1>panor nation above that as a vehicle through which they

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<v Speaker 1>can undertake their struggle. However, mere opposition between a colonized

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<v Speaker 1>group and a colonizing force is not the only way

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<v Speaker 1>that clonism creates new nations. Also through social stratification, through hybridization,

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<v Speaker 1>through the imposition of new religions, through new education systems,

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<v Speaker 1>new languages, and new administrative boundaries. All of those are

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<v Speaker 1>ways in which cluonism can develop unations. For example, the

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<v Speaker 1>case of the meets, a cultural intermingling and intermarriage between

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<v Speaker 1>two radically different groups ended up with the birth of

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<v Speaker 1>the new nation of the meets in the unique colonial

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<v Speaker 1>history of Canada and as we've see in nations or

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<v Speaker 1>often the targets of subpraction and of subjugation and Eurasia,

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<v Speaker 1>African peoples were stolen from the constant and thoroughly stripped

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<v Speaker 1>of their languages, histories, and cultures, and continues to be

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<v Speaker 1>oppressed throughout much of the so called New World. In

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, African Americans faced centuries of systemic racism.

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<v Speaker 1>In Brazil, the afric Brazilian population also faced similar historical discrimination,

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<v Speaker 1>similarly in Colombia and so on and so on. Indigenous

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<v Speaker 1>nations across the world also continue to be denied their

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<v Speaker 1>autonomy as minorities within a domineerian state. Palestinians and Israel

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<v Speaker 1>have faced a long standing conflict due to the raisia

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<v Speaker 1>of their self determination. Colds and Released, as I've mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>spread across several countries and do not have a country

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<v Speaker 1>of their own, so they have historically sought independence or

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<v Speaker 1>at least autonomy. Aboriginal Australians have faced struggles related to

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<v Speaker 1>land rights, cultural preservation, and self governance, and although New

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<v Speaker 1>Zealand has made progress in recognizing the rights of the

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<v Speaker 1>delicious Mari people. Marian New Zealand have also dealt with

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<v Speaker 1>issues related to land ownership and cultural preservation, whether be

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<v Speaker 1>the Armenians under the Ottoman Empire in the past, or

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<v Speaker 1>the current subjugation of Hawaiian in Puerto Rico under the US,

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<v Speaker 1>or the Tibetan population still under the firm of the

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese state. Really could go on and on. I really

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<v Speaker 1>could go on and on. Across the world, struggles have

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<v Speaker 1>been an arbi and fought by nations for the liberation

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<v Speaker 1>and much of the suffering a struggle is thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>the process of colonization. Our present national borders and demographics

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<v Speaker 1>were largely shaped and dictated by the colonization and conquest

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<v Speaker 1>of a few nations from Europe. But what is colonialism Exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>As one anthropologist, Chris quote Right put it, colonialism is

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<v Speaker 1>the establishment and control of a territory for an extended

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<v Speaker 1>period of time by a sovereign power over a subordinate

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<v Speaker 1>and other people which are segregated and separated from the

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<v Speaker 1>rule and power. He goes on to say that features

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<v Speaker 1>the colonal situation and include political and legal domination over

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<v Speaker 1>the other society, relations of economic and political dependence, and

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<v Speaker 1>institutionalized racial and cultural inequalities to impose their dominant physical

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<v Speaker 1>force through raids, expropriation of labor and resources, Imprisonment and

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<v Speaker 1>objective murders. Enslavement of both the indigenous people and their

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<v Speaker 1>land is the primary objective colonization. Through colonization, theseive cultures

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<v Speaker 1>must be destroyed either strict crushed, emptied, subsumed, cooperated, or dismantled.

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<v Speaker 1>And since colonism relies on a dichotomy of superiority and inferiority,

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<v Speaker 1>the colonialists must impose their own culture over the native population,

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<v Speaker 1>from language to dressed daily practice, that culture, which, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, becomes native through that process of colonization. And

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<v Speaker 1>that already gets into the whole discussion of what makes

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<v Speaker 1>something native, what makes a people native. There are two

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<v Speaker 1>definitions that I balance or try and dance between, one

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<v Speaker 1>being indigenity through land relationship and the other being indignity

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<v Speaker 1>through colonial relationship. And so I'm referring to the indignacy

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<v Speaker 1>through colonial relationship when I say that a culture or

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<v Speaker 1>people becomes native through that process of colonization, because prior

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<v Speaker 1>to colonial inclusions, there was no non native to define

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<v Speaker 1>themselves against. They just will. You'll need to define yourself

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<v Speaker 1>as native to a place when an outsider or an

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<v Speaker 1>invasive force is pushing you out of that place or

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<v Speaker 1>trying to dominate you within that place. The old forms

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<v Speaker 1>of colonization are largely over, but the spirit of colonization

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<v Speaker 1>still linkers. It is a specter in the spheres of

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<v Speaker 1>culture and politics and economics. The colonial complex created the

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<v Speaker 1>world we see today and left quite the impression psychologically

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<v Speaker 1>on both the colonized and the colonizer. French Tunisian writer

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<v Speaker 1>Albert Mami wrote but against it to be a very

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<v Speaker 1>essential work on the relationship between the colonizer and the colonized.

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<v Speaker 1>That work, that book is called The Colonized and the Colonized.

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<v Speaker 1>It was published in nineteen fifty seven, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>written and of course in a very important time, in

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<v Speaker 1>a time when many national liberation movements were quite active.

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<v Speaker 1>And so this work is often held up with other

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<v Speaker 1>important words in that anti colonial milieu, including France phen Noons,

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<v Speaker 1>the Direction of the Earth, Black Skin, White Masks, and

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<v Speaker 1>A's discourse on clonialism. In the book The Colonized and

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<v Speaker 1>the Colonized, now mean he spent some time discussing the

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<v Speaker 1>psychology of both, and he splits the condition psychological conditions,

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<v Speaker 1>the colonizing the colonized into four parts, the colonizer who accepts,

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<v Speaker 1>the colonizer who refuses, the colonized who accepts, and the

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<v Speaker 1>colonized who refuses. So first there's the colonizer who accepts.

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<v Speaker 1>I've called that colonizer Christopher for obvious reasons, that being Columbus.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the Christopher accepts his role as a colonizer,

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<v Speaker 1>he becomes a colonist. That means he has to accept

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that his position of privilege is non legitimate.

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<v Speaker 1>So the any way he could really enjoy his position

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<v Speaker 1>would be to absolve himself of the conditions, of the guilt,

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<v Speaker 1>of the conditions under which he was attained. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher forcifies history, creates racist mythology, rewrites laws, and attempts

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<v Speaker 1>to whitewash his legacy. That's why he emphasizes his superiority

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<v Speaker 1>while castness, persions and the colonized. He has to do

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it takes to justify his evils, to uplift himself

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<v Speaker 1>to the skies while grinding those below him underground. Deep down,

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher knows all this semester, but he can't admit that

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<v Speaker 1>to himself. He has to keep degrading the colonized, and

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<v Speaker 1>so just as the colonal situation manufactures the colonized, Christopher

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<v Speaker 1>the colonialist is also transformed. Now he chairs on torture, discrimination,

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<v Speaker 1>and massacre. He becomes a reactionary, a conservative, and a fascist,

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<v Speaker 1>But the condemnation that he carries in his heart can

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<v Speaker 1>ever truly be raised. It pisses him off that he

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<v Speaker 1>relies on the colonize to maintain the colony, even though

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<v Speaker 1>he came looking for profit and already has a homeland.

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<v Speaker 1>But he has to direct his anger somewhere, so it

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<v Speaker 1>becomes a racist, and not just any racism, a racism

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<v Speaker 1>so fundamentally ingrained in his personality. Racism built on three

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<v Speaker 1>major components. One there exists some major gulf between him

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<v Speaker 1>and the colonized. Two that he can exploit these differences

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<v Speaker 1>to his benefit, and three that these differences are absolute

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<v Speaker 1>and cannot be changed. Therefore, he's able to remain separate

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<v Speaker 1>from the community the colonized by holding any social mobility,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's able to continue to justify superiority because honestly

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<v Speaker 1>circular logic. Right, these people are inferior because they aren't

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<v Speaker 1>at my level, and they answered my level because I

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<v Speaker 1>keep them in it, because I keep them in their

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<v Speaker 1>inferior position, and on and on and on. Added bonus,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, he gets to feel good about himself. While

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<v Speaker 1>doing so, he becomes a humanitarian. Surely the colonize needed

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<v Speaker 1>him to bring the light of civilization. Look at them,

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<v Speaker 1>so stupid and servile. All this is natural and e tonal,

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<v Speaker 1>So he has nothing to worry about. It is divine

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<v Speaker 1>grace that has brought him to this place. It is

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<v Speaker 1>a manifest destiny that he continues this tradition. And I

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<v Speaker 1>mean if he enjoys a couple of perks in his

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<v Speaker 1>quest to civilize them, well, surely is just justice. Colonized

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<v Speaker 1>should be grateful Christopher benevolent master of the natural order,

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<v Speaker 1>no question. And really, this is why missus there was

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<v Speaker 1>right to say. The colonization dehumanizes even the most civilized man.

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<v Speaker 1>It inevitably tends to change him who undertakes it that

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<v Speaker 1>the colonizer, who, in order to ease his conscience, gets

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<v Speaker 1>into the habit of seeing the other man as an animal,

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<v Speaker 1>accustoms himself to treating him like an animal, and tends

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<v Speaker 1>objectively to transform himself into an animal. No offense to animals,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, I'm just Cootins. There. On the flip side

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<v Speaker 1>of the coin is the colonizer who refuses John. You see,

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<v Speaker 1>not every colonizer becomes a colingless. John tries to resist

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<v Speaker 1>the role, but he is still a colonizer. He tries

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<v Speaker 1>to ignore his position of privilege, but he kind of

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<v Speaker 1>escaped mentally from a concrete situation. He kind of refused

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<v Speaker 1>the ideology of crinalism while continuing to live with actual relationships,

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<v Speaker 1>while continuing to benefit from the privileges he half heartedly denounces. See.

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<v Speaker 1>Colonial relations can't be boiled down to individual feelings, so

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter much materially if John accepts or rejects it.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter if he feels guilty or not. His

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<v Speaker 1>identity is fundamentally defined in relation to colonization. He's still

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<v Speaker 1>part of the oppressant group. He shares in their good

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<v Speaker 1>fortune and will likely share their faith. Makes it clear

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<v Speaker 1>that the truth is between colonizer and colonized. There is

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<v Speaker 1>only room for forced labor, intimidation, pressure, police, taxation, theft, rape,

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<v Speaker 1>compulsory crops, contempt, mistrust, arrogance, self complacency, swinishness, brainless elites,

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<v Speaker 1>degraded masses, no human contact, but relations of domination and

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<v Speaker 1>submission or shin the colonizing man into a classroom monitor,

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<v Speaker 1>an army sergeant, a prison guard, a slave driver, and

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<v Speaker 1>the indigenous man into an instrument of production. Even if

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<v Speaker 1>John is a leftist, a progressive trying his best to

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<v Speaker 1>assist the national liberation, to colonize people's he's still in

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<v Speaker 1>a rough situation. Of course, not many colonizers have actually

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<v Speaker 1>been you know about it like that. But even if

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<v Speaker 1>John was to create a world or colonization, it maybe

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<v Speaker 1>hard for him to picture his situation change in all

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<v Speaker 1>that much. He's accustomed to privilege, and so equality is

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<v Speaker 1>probably going to feel like oppression. You can't imagine not

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<v Speaker 1>being who he is with the comfortable domination of his

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<v Speaker 1>culture and language. He's never had to accommodate others before.

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<v Speaker 1>He's never had to think, oh wait, maybe I should

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<v Speaker 1>try and learn their language, try and incorporate elements of

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<v Speaker 1>their cultural mores. He still holds the subtle vessiges of

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<v Speaker 1>the racist ideology that his country was built on, and

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<v Speaker 1>he will have to fight his own class interests and

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<v Speaker 1>his own fellow colonizers. Revolution would require the decimation of

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<v Speaker 1>his current identity and the rebooth of another. And that decision,

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<v Speaker 1>that gargantuan task maybe too challenging for some people to undertake.

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<v Speaker 1>So Mia, what do you think of the position of

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<v Speaker 1>the colonizer who accepts and the colonizer who refuses.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things that I think is interesting about

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<v Speaker 2>this is that the original concept of privilege was something

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<v Speaker 2>that came out of like this specific kind of analysis

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<v Speaker 2>was about like like it was it was it was

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<v Speaker 2>about French settlers in Algeria, and you know, it was,

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<v Speaker 2>it was, it was, it was. It was originally something

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<v Speaker 2>along basically along these similar lines where it's like it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't really matter what your ideological beliefs are if you're

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like a French settler in Algeria, like you

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<v Speaker 2>just automatically have privilege that like other people didn't. And

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<v Speaker 2>this has been sort of like I don't know, I like,

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<v Speaker 2>the original sort of context of what this analysis was

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<v Speaker 2>has been sort of worn down. But I think I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, Like I think I think it is colonizers,

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<v Speaker 2>like this is this is a structural position, right, like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the sort of you can't sort of individualism,

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<v Speaker 2>you're way out of a structural condition. Yeah, And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's something people sort of have this incredible capacity

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<v Speaker 2>to sort of believe about themselves and it's just not

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<v Speaker 2>really true. And that's something that's very difficult to sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like actually substantively confronts. But I think it's why

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<v Speaker 2>this analysis of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Is useful exactly exactly. It's not enough to just say, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think this is right, I think this is wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>That hasn't changed any thing materially. It's when you act

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<v Speaker 1>to challenge, to dismantle, to confront, and to act in

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<v Speaker 1>solidarity with those facing these challenges in a material way

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<v Speaker 1>that any of it really matters. I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>particularly Poltin, and of course Mami is writing this, and

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<v Speaker 1>Cesaire wrote in a time when colonization is really at

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<v Speaker 1>or rather the confrontation against colonizations really added zenith. And

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<v Speaker 1>so for those of us in the twenty first century

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty three now who are looking back, were saying,

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<v Speaker 1>we might think, oh, well, surely this is a data analysis,

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<v Speaker 1>a dated way of looking at these relationships. But upon

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<v Speaker 1>further inspection it really continues to be quite topical when

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<v Speaker 1>you look at, for example, self proclaimed allies. Looking at

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<v Speaker 1>how Mami discusses the colonizer who refuses really gives you

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<v Speaker 1>a sense of I think, at least how far you

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<v Speaker 1>need to be willing to go in your allyship versus

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<v Speaker 1>how far most people have reached even today. We can

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<v Speaker 1>ask ourselves and those who maybe see themselves a bit

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<v Speaker 1>in the colonizer who refuses, Ask yourself how far I

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<v Speaker 1>mean you may recognize your privileges even while still you know,

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<v Speaker 1>enjoying them, But how far might you be willing to

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<v Speaker 1>go to see an end to this system? We speak

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<v Speaker 1>about how the loss of privilege can make equality feel

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<v Speaker 1>like oppression, but truly grappling with that, what would it

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<v Speaker 1>mean for, for example, English to no longer be the

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<v Speaker 1>dominant language, you know, what would it mean for us

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<v Speaker 1>to get used to will in which we might have

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<v Speaker 1>to learn another language? And then I've been thinking about recently,

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<v Speaker 1>even while occupying the position of a colonized subject, I

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<v Speaker 1>speak English, and that is a privilege. I speak English natively,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean I'm trying to learn another language. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to learn Spanish, which is another colonized language.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's of one of the other things is like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for me, it's like, okay, you have English,

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<v Speaker 2>it's this colonial language.

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<v Speaker 1>You have Chinese, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Is like also colonial language, and I learned some Spanish.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, well all right, and that's a third colonial

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<v Speaker 2>language that struct the towers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. And this will we get into this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of discussion about like actually postclualism and anti colonial struggle

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<v Speaker 1>and how you go about anti clualism, right, because there

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<v Speaker 1>is one of their different approaches. One could take different paths.

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose we could follow. There's an anticlonal approach where

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<v Speaker 1>we could say, you know what, let's just try and

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<v Speaker 1>recreate pre colonial society. Right, so everybody tries to learn

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<v Speaker 1>the languages that they feel as though they might have

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<v Speaker 1>spoken if not under clonal system, if not, if clual's

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<v Speaker 1>history had not happened. And then we try to re

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<v Speaker 1>implement those languages and reimpose those languages and mantle certain

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<v Speaker 1>institutions and structures and whatever the case may be, try

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<v Speaker 1>to basically erase the impact of colonization from history. And

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<v Speaker 1>then there's another path where we recognize, well, maybe we

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<v Speaker 1>cannot undo colonization, and truthfully we can't write. But going forward,

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<v Speaker 1>how do we intend to dismantle and to rework and

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<v Speaker 1>to create a new you know, taking from the past

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<v Speaker 1>to build the future, but not being bound to that past.

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<v Speaker 1>How do we, for example, let go of certain binds

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<v Speaker 1>on language, or certain ways of communicating, or certain ways

0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 1>we organize systems, or certain customs and roles and obligations.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm varying a bit from the intended topic of

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<v Speaker 1>psychology of colonization, but I do want us to think

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<v Speaker 1>about whether what role we regardless of what role we

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<v Speaker 1>see ourselves in this discussion, how do we pursue an

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<v Speaker 1>anti colonial future? What does that look like? What path

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<v Speaker 1>should we be taken? And how might that path chafe

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<v Speaker 1>against our current identity? How amight that path chafe against

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<v Speaker 1>our current privileges, our current comforts. Yes, we are, as

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<v Speaker 1>workers all oppressed and exploited, but at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>as we recognize there are certain privileges that some have

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<v Speaker 1>over others, whether it be in the realm of race

0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:08.080
<v Speaker 1>or gender, or ability or language. And if we are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be pursuing artechulan, so we have to ask ourselves,

0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:16.399
<v Speaker 1>how might those privileges be affected? And have we truly

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<v Speaker 1>confronted our comfort level with those privileges being affected. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's part of the broader effort of decolonizing the mind.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I speak about in my video and why

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<v Speaker 1>Revolutionary's therapy, the idea of like really truly breaking down

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these ideas that we have about ourselves

0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:42.600
<v Speaker 1>and about the world and questioning all of it, deconstructing,

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<v Speaker 1>reconstructing all of it. But then when I get too far,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, sincere called the colonization thingification. So let's turn

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<v Speaker 1>our attention now to those things. Let's discuss this situation

0:28:57.080 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 1>of the colonized in this case, and and that defined

0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:05.800
<v Speaker 1>by the images and myths that surround them and tell

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 1>them who they are. The colonized have no way out

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:16.640
<v Speaker 1>of their condition within the colonial order. They aren't free

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:19.600
<v Speaker 1>to choose between being colonized or not being colonized. They

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:24.280
<v Speaker 1>just are colonized. And so Candice understands this in her

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<v Speaker 1>whole life, She's had to grapple with the negative portraits

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>of herself. They were created by the colonizer, all the

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 1>images that were used to support the clonal situation that

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<v Speaker 1>raised the colonizer and humbled the colonized, That justified the

0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:44.120
<v Speaker 1>colonizer's privilege, that painted the colonized as inerate and the

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:50.880
<v Speaker 1>colonizer as active. That made it seem as though the colonizer,

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<v Speaker 1>as the colonizer, was doing the colonized a fever, that

0:29:56.880 --> 0:30:00.479
<v Speaker 1>their labor was actually and the employment was actually necessary,

0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:05.160
<v Speaker 1>that it was charity that the colonizer was bringing to

0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:11.480
<v Speaker 1>their otherwise lazy masses. Being exposed to that kind of

0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:15.600
<v Speaker 1>message and from a young age, really does a number

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<v Speaker 1>on people, not just in the realm of colonization, but

0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:24.520
<v Speaker 1>in other spheres as well. We see that with patriarchy,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, how messages from an early age affect how

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<v Speaker 1>boys and girls and others perceive themselves and perceive the

0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 1>world around them and perceive others. In the clear context,

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<v Speaker 1>this means that some who are colonized end up internalizing

0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:53.680
<v Speaker 1>and accepting wholesale the messages that they're receiving. So kind

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:57.160
<v Speaker 1>of thinks to herself, perhaps the colonizer's right. Perhaps we

0:30:57.200 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 1>are lazy, perhaps we are shifted, perhaps we are timid

0:30:59.840 --> 0:31:03.840
<v Speaker 1>and week, and this degrading portrait ends up being accepted.

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<v Speaker 1>It's usually one of the final steps of colonization, the

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 1>colonization of the mind. Once the colonize begins to tolerate

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<v Speaker 1>rather than resist colonization, all they can really look to

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<v Speaker 1>do is attempt to assimilate, which is impossible by a

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 1>design does mean that Candice won't try. She sheds the

0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:28.120
<v Speaker 1>memories of her ancestors and the practices and institutions of

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 1>her culture. She embraces the colonizers will and all these

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:34.280
<v Speaker 1>institutions is right and just. The colonizers salve, and the

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:40.560
<v Speaker 1>colonizers whip the colonizes God and the Colonizers' school. Her

0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:45.160
<v Speaker 1>children are sent to these schools built by the colonizer

0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 1>to erase and replace a people's history, traditions, and language.

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:58.120
<v Speaker 1>She and her kin are imbued with double consciousness. She's

0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:02.280
<v Speaker 1>trapped in the sun, in place, performing for the colonizer,

0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 1>in a home country that don't feels foreign. Double consciousness

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:13.479
<v Speaker 1>is a particularly useful concept, first coined by WB. Du

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Bois in the Souls of Black Folk in nineteen oh three.

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<v Speaker 1>He was speaking specifically about African Americans, but the concept

0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:28.960
<v Speaker 1>does apply in other contexts as well. Double consciousness is

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 1>the dual self perception experienced by subordinate peoples in an

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 1>oppressive society. It is looking at yourself through your own

0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 1>eyes and simultaneously looking at yourself through the eyes of

0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 1>a racist society, looking at who you are, and also

0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 1>looking at what the dominant society sees and thinks of

0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:59.080
<v Speaker 1>who you are. Of course, the voice concept was further

0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:02.640
<v Speaker 1>built upon, and you know, people speak about her things

0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:06.640
<v Speaker 1>such as triple consciousness, and in some ways the idea

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 1>of double consciousness can't be tied with the conversation of intersectionality.

0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:21.280
<v Speaker 1>But they are those who experience that double consciousness, and

0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:28.000
<v Speaker 1>rather than reasserting their view of themselves and their people,

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:33.320
<v Speaker 1>they accept the negative view held by the dominant society.

0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:39.160
<v Speaker 1>They surround themselves the language of that dominant society. Candace's

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:42.719
<v Speaker 1>world from the street signs, the documents to the courts,

0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:48.000
<v Speaker 1>the bureaucracy, needy industry, or use the colonizing language. While

0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:51.320
<v Speaker 1>her mother tongue, the one used tenderly by her ancestors,

0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:54.880
<v Speaker 1>the one that sustains in a most feelings, emotions and dreams,

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:59.800
<v Speaker 1>is he valued and degraded. Candace loses far more than

0:33:59.840 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 1>she gains by history a culture future she rejects herself,

0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:11.319
<v Speaker 1>self love, and liberation itself. She rejects herself, self love

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 1>and liberation itself, a tending to model herself after the colonizer,

0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:21.400
<v Speaker 1>or rather crush herself into conformity. She gains self hate, shame,

0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:26.040
<v Speaker 1>and alienation. She sees her own people through the eyes

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<v Speaker 1>the coldinations and accusations of the colonizer. She's atomized, estranged

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<v Speaker 1>from her people, and rejected by the colonizer, utterly defeated.

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<v Speaker 1>But then he offers another path, an alternative mindset in

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<v Speaker 1>the colonized who refuses. You see, like Candace, not knows

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<v Speaker 1>that there will never be emancipation within the colonial relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>But unlike Candace, they know that there is no liberty

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<v Speaker 1>in a similation. Revolt is the only way out. An

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<v Speaker 1>absolute condition requires an absolute solution, and there can be

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<v Speaker 1>no compromise. Deliberation is a process of self recovery and

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<v Speaker 1>autonomous dignity. They must shake off the force images and

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<v Speaker 1>boldly attack the institutions of oppression. But even in their

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<v Speaker 1>resistance that still bears the traces of colonization. They still

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<v Speaker 1>share some of the values, techniques, and methods of the colonizer.

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<v Speaker 1>They still speak the language the colonizer can understand to

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<v Speaker 1>be truly emancipated, that must work to rebuild a new,

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<v Speaker 1>authentic and self assured identity for themselves and the other people,

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<v Speaker 1>that must reclaim and transform that which the colonizers consider negative,

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<v Speaker 1>must take pride in all their wrinkles and moods, never

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<v Speaker 1>shying away from their colonization, but accepting it as a

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<v Speaker 1>fact of their experience and their history, and yet overcoming

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<v Speaker 1>that colonization is the risk of continuing to define yourself

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<v Speaker 1>in relation to protest, in relation to revolt, and in

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<v Speaker 1>relation to colonization. At some point, maybe not now, but

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<v Speaker 1>at some point that we'll need to move beyond that

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<v Speaker 1>means of definition. What that future looks like is anyone's

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<v Speaker 1>guess and also up to everyone to help build. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you appreciated this. Sometimes be under and dive into

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<v Speaker 1>the minds of the colonizer and the colonized. The fight

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<v Speaker 1>is not over. The psychological, political, and economic consequences of

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<v Speaker 1>colonization are still fell to this day. The mentalities and

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<v Speaker 1>conditions that discussed still exist in very extents today. Hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>this helps us to better understand colonization's impact on us,

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<v Speaker 1>so that we can deconstruct that LEVI them together to

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<v Speaker 1>create a FREEO and motevos and what humane world. Next time,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be discussing the rule of national liberation in the

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<v Speaker 1>struggle for freedom and what precisely that would enter you

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<v Speaker 1>as I didn't have time to get into it in

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