1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to Ruthie's Table four, a production of iHeartRadio and 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: adamized studios. 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: Name. Judy Dench is not just a national and international treasure, 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 2: She's an interplanetary treasure if there is life on Mars. 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 2: They're talking about her most recent performance. Judy is a 6 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: woman of warmth, a woman of wit. A friend tells 7 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 2: a story that when he mentioned to Judy hadn't seen 8 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 2: the royal family, Judy replied, tell me when you're coming, 9 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: and I'll be sure to overact for you. After record 10 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 2: this conversation, Judy's having lunch in the river Cafe. We 11 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: are planning to definitely overcook for this woman. A friend. 12 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: I admire respect and adore. 13 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 3: Goodness on the mains while we've got these beautiful, really 14 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 3: sweet grapes at the moment, which passed so well with 15 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 3: the grouse. 16 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: And there's turbot and sea. 17 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 4: Bears, oh my worm monsfish. 18 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 2: You can have everything. We have had people come and 19 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: order everything on. 20 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 4: The and did they stay for a month or per 21 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 4: a month? Yeah? Yeah, a month? Yeah. 22 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: I always say a recipe is half science and half poetry, 23 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 2: and so we're going to skip the science and read 24 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: the poetry. How about that. 25 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 4: Yes, well, I would love to have read a recipe 26 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 4: or even given you a recipe, but we'll come to 27 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 4: that data. But you are talking to the worst cook 28 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 4: in Britain. And I wasn't a sonnet about food, But 29 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 4: I just know. This is one poem, but it's Hilaire Belloc, 30 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 4: and it's about Henry. 31 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: King, Henry King, Henry King. 32 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 4: Here he goes. The chief defect of Henry King was 33 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 4: chewing little bits of string. At last he swallowed some 34 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 4: that tied itself in ugly knots inside. Physicians of the 35 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 4: utmost fame were called at once, But when they came, 36 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 4: they answered, as they took their fees, there is no 37 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 4: cure for this disease. Henry will very soon be dead. 38 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 4: His parents stood about his bed, lamenting his untimely death. 39 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 4: When Henry cried with latest breath, Oh, my friends, be 40 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 4: warned by me that breakfast, dinner, lunch and tea are 41 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 4: all the human frame requires. With that, the wretched child expires. 42 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: The wretched child. So as he worke of this poem, 43 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: he was quite a lectural Bellock, wasn't he. He liked 44 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 2: to tell everyone what to do, and children how to 45 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: be polite. 46 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 4: It's rather sad. He was rather grim. I think that Bellock, well, 47 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 4: you know. 48 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: There's a message, right, don't snack? Is that the message? 49 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 4: Or you might don't snack? 50 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 2: What was it like growing up? We grew up in Yorkshire. 51 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 4: I did. I was born in York. My brothers were 52 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 4: born in Lancashire. My mother was from Dublin, my father 53 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 4: from Dorset and who went to Dublin. And recently in 54 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 4: the last year I found out that my mother's side 55 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 4: of the family is Danish and goes back to somebody 56 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 4: who worked at Elsino in fact Son and was there 57 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 4: when Shakespeare's first company went over there. I was brought 58 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 4: up during the war. I was five when the war 59 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 4: broke out, and we were very lucky because my pa 60 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 4: was a doctor and he used to visit all the 61 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 4: farms all around York as well as York itself, and 62 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 4: everyone used to say, Oh, do have a chicken, Do 63 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 4: have goose? Do have a duck? We were really lucky 64 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 4: and that way we had we always had food and things. 65 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 4: And that's also where we had sixteen cats, because there 66 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 4: was nobody else in the neighbors sixteen cats. We did 67 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 4: sixteen because nobody wanted their. 68 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 2: Pets, you know, they all need them. 69 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 4: Put them out, But they all came round to our place. 70 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 4: It was a triumph. 71 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 2: And who would cook the food? Would your mother? Would 72 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 2: you sit down to family meals? 73 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 4: Yes? 74 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: Or how many would you have siblings? Who did? 75 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 4: Two brothers, two brothers older than me? But and we 76 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 4: always had the house full of friends. Meals were a 77 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 4: great thing. I'm always trying to say. Now, you know, 78 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,559 Speaker 4: do enjoy sitting down at the table and not looking 79 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 4: at the phone if possible? 80 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 2: What was it like the meal time at your house? 81 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 2: Was there always a discussion. 82 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 4: And always singing, singing, a lot of singing. My ma 83 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 4: playing the piano. My father could recite the whole of 84 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 4: more Darthur. My brother Jeff, who was an actor long 85 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 4: before me and at Stratford, used to know reams of 86 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 4: Shakespeare and it was a kind of I think that 87 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 4: was in the family very much before that. People used 88 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 4: to be able to I mean I remember sitting on 89 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 4: the stairs and hearing friends who were invited around, and 90 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 4: somebody singing and playing the piano, and you know, you 91 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 4: couldn't miss the arts. 92 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: So when you think of your early meals, you think 93 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: more of the performance. 94 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 4: I think only of family meals round the table, and 95 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 4: it was a family thing that you wouldn't miss because 96 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 4: that's when you got to actually discuss things and talk 97 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 4: about things. 98 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 2: Who would cook? 99 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 4: My mom would, or we had a wonderful person called Sissy. 100 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 2: What did she cook? Because your actually has a very 101 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: definite regional food. 102 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 4: It was course, it was mostly what you could afford 103 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 4: to get. And I remember there was a market in 104 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 4: New York, a wonderful market. You'd go around and people 105 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 4: would come in and they'd have a chicken in a basket, 106 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 4: you know, all prepared for cooking and things. And I 107 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 4: mean I could get the rations for five people when 108 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 4: I was six. I could easily go and carry the 109 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 4: rations which were so minimal for everybody. But I never 110 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 4: remember Ruthy being hungry or thinking, gosh, you know, I 111 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 4: wish there was more of this. I don't remember that. 112 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 4: We were red really lucky. 113 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: And your father didn't go away. He was he was 114 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: away in the First World War. 115 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 4: He was he was a hero. He got the military 116 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 4: Cross and bar he got do you know where he was? 117 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 4: He was in Arras and then because of a knee 118 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 4: injury that he'd got, he was sent home to have 119 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 4: and that way he got he was not at Passiondale 120 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 4: was just fantastically well lucky is not really the word. 121 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 2: And so for your father to have been in the 122 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: war and then come home. 123 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 4: I know, it was an extraordinary thing. And I knew, 124 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 4: I knew about his record, but I didn't know it 125 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 4: was quite so illustrious, which it was. 126 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: And do you think that do you think your parents 127 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 2: wanted to be actors or to be singers or part 128 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: of their nature? 129 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 4: No, my father there was an amateur group in New 130 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 4: York called the Settlement Players. My power and were part 131 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 4: of that. Mammy never wanted to act, which she was 132 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 4: wonderful seamstress and could make costumes and things like that. 133 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 4: And then when it came to the mystery plays the 134 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 4: miracle plays, when they were done for the first time, 135 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 4: Daddy played and asked the High Priest and we were 136 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 4: a lot of us were auditioned by Martin Brown. I 137 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 4: were to quake a board in school in York, and 138 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 4: we were, we made angels, we were, We had a 139 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 4: wonderful time, wonderful time. 140 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: You remember the first auditions that would have been what 141 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: age was your first. 142 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 4: Wee It wasn't really an audition. They just came and 143 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 4: said you, you, you, you, and you. 144 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: And when did you know that that's what you wanted 145 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 2: to do? 146 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 4: What I wanted to do, not ages, not for not 147 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 4: until fifty three, because I wanted to be a designer, 148 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 4: stage design, stage designer. But I was taken to Stratford 149 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 4: by my parents and saw Michael Redgrave in Leah, and 150 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 4: I can remember seeing this set which completely changed my idea. 151 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 4: During your holidays at school, I had assisted Voit, the 152 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 4: designer York rep, painting sets for him, and I only 153 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 4: really understood plays by three acts. You know, you design 154 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 4: one act and then the curtain would come down. You 155 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 4: change a few things and we'll go on. But for 156 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 4: Lear at Stratford, it was the most phenomenal set that 157 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 4: never changed. It was a huge flat disc that revolved 158 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 4: with a rock in the middle of it that was 159 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 4: the throne or the cave or nothing had to be changed. 160 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 4: The whole boy was kind of continuous, and that I thought, no, goodbye, 161 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 4: York Art School, I'm going to try for Central. 162 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: When you went on these theatrical journeys with your parents, 163 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 2: you went to Stratford, you went to the theater in 164 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: New York, would you go to a restaurant before or after? 165 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 2: Was that part of the evening? Was that part of 166 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: the experience. 167 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 4: It was partly, but probably. We were always in a rush, 168 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 4: always in a rush to get things on time. But 169 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 4: there was a restaurant that we used to that used 170 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 4: to be the most enormous street to go to outside York, 171 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 4: and we used to cycle there. 172 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 2: This would be post war. 173 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 4: This would be that was post war. Yes, but we 174 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 4: all had bikes, so that was the greatest. And go 175 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 4: to a restaurant simply wonderful. It's called the bider we 176 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 4: It was wonderful. It was wonderful food. I mean, not 177 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 4: investigated in any way, not in any way. 178 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 2: And so what are the dishes of your childhood that 179 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,239 Speaker 2: you remember that? Did you have Yorkshire pudding? 180 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 4: We did have. I tell you something. Tell me we 181 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 4: used to have at school. I used to try and 182 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 4: stay away on a Tuesday because they used to do 183 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 4: Yorkshire pudding with treacle. Now even now that's that was 184 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 4: really so. 185 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 2: It was a dessert, or they served the treacle Yorkshire 186 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: pudding with beef. 187 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 4: It's so disgusting that it was always on a Tuesday. 188 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 4: And I used to feign illness on a Tuesday, and 189 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 4: on about the third or fourth Tuesday, Mama said, this 190 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 4: is something about school. This is not to do with illness. 191 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 4: And it was the Yorkshire pudding with a tree school 192 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 4: that was at my prep school. 193 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: But that's food was important to you. Food mattered. 194 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 4: It didn't matter because of course during the war, of course, 195 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 4: it was just something to sustain you. And as I 196 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 4: say it, because of my power visiting right around in 197 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 4: the country, we were just so lucky that we had 198 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 4: enough to eat, but so many people didn't know. 199 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: I often think that when people are very critical of 200 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 2: food in Britain in the fifties or even the sixties, 201 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 2: Britain had come out of a war, They came out 202 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 2: of rationing, they came out of kitchen gardens where people 203 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 2: didn't have food. And to go from that to you know, 204 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 2: grand cuisine or to cooking, it seems so unfair to 205 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: criticize a nation that had suffered food wise to being 206 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 2: critical of you know, the way they cooked. 207 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 4: You know. 208 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 2: So I feel it must have been very tough. 209 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 4: Yes, it was. It was just a question of giving 210 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 4: you something that filled you, yeah, you know. 211 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, But also I mean, I love the idea of 212 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 2: your mother cooking a goose, or cooking duck, or cooking 213 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: the food that was getting. 214 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 4: We grew on the vegetables, grew the vegetables in the 215 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 4: garden and next door it was the most wonderful pear tree. 216 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 4: And my brother and I Jeff, the younger of my 217 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 4: two brothers, used to get a rake and rake the 218 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 4: pears off the tree into the garden. Yeah, it was 219 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 4: quite a lot of peary. 220 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 2: What would you do legal? What would you was illegal? 221 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 2: Was it because it wasn't your tree? Okay? There? What 222 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: would you remember what your mother would cook with the pears? 223 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: Which is stud them or would you have I. 224 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 4: Think she would, yes, I think she would studio or 225 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 4: we just let them, you know. 226 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, delicious fruit pears, aren't they do? Still like them? 227 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 4: I like pears. I quite like pears. Yeah, I've got 228 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 4: a picture of you in the garden actually recently. 229 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 2: What's your garden like? Did you have a garden? I 230 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 2: have a beautiful crowd. 231 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 4: Yes, I grew trees, mostly trees. There were lots of 232 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 4: different trees. But we have some apples and one of 233 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 4: them is a russt, which is very nice. And we have, 234 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 4: as I say, these pear trees. We had a wonderful 235 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 4: green gage tree, but it came down in a storm. 236 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, gageous, very very British green cages. So doing the menus, 237 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: Eliza had a blank sheet of paper. She came in 238 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: the morning. It's ratter like your house. You go on 239 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: the fridge, you see what's there, you see what's been ordered. 240 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 2: You've sort of also, you know, we're always thinking about 241 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: what I always think, what would I want to you 242 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: for lunch today? 243 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 4: You're not coming to my house fridge? And I begged 244 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 4: you are. 245 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 3: I was so excited to make this beautiful clam taggerini, 246 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 3: which I know Ruthie's is one of Ruthie's favorite pastors. 247 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 3: Where we cook the bongolay in advance with garlic and 248 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 3: parsi stalks in chili, and then we pick all the 249 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 3: clams out of their shells and reduce the white wine 250 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 3: and the olive oil and the butter, and then we 251 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 3: toss that through fresh handk tagerini, which is one of 252 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 3: my favorite things that I've ever had at a. 253 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:04,239 Speaker 2: Ri of a cafe. 254 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 3: And we've also got this amazing slow cooked pheasant and 255 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 3: partridge sauce which is a ragou that we make with 256 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 3: lots of different wildbirds at this time of year, and 257 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 3: we put chestnuts and mince panchatta in and that's really wonderful. 258 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 4: Now we're really talking. 259 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: We do write our menu every day. 260 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 4: It makes it special and exciting, which is what a 261 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 4: restaurant should be and isn't very much. 262 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: When you left this Mother's wonderful family of theater and 263 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 2: cooking goose and sitting around the table and singing songs 264 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: and having friends over, it sounds so warm and so inclusive. 265 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: What was it like when you actually then came to 266 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: London and food wise? Were you're on a budget? Did 267 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 2: you have to cook it out? What did you do? 268 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 4: I've never had never I had to tell you a 269 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 4: story that when I was awarded the O B E 270 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 4: and my agent at the time had been in Central 271 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 4: with me, Julian Belfridge. He came down to lunch and 272 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:27,119 Speaker 4: I gave him lamb cutlets. I made an enormous effort. 273 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 4: He finished them, and whatever I gave him I can't 274 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 4: remember for a dessert. And he sat back and he said, well, 275 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 4: I'll tell you something, Judy. He said, you didn't get 276 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 4: the ob for cooking. Nothing like having a support of 277 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 4: It's good to be told, isn't it. It's good. There 278 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 4: was a time what did. 279 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 2: You eat there? You are going to. 280 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 4: When we were old that when we got well, when 281 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 4: we got to central, Oh, it was it was glorious. 282 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 4: We used to go to it was somewhere in Kensington 283 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 4: High Street. But we used to also go to a 284 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 4: restaurant called a Capernina in Soho and that was the 285 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 4: greatest treat. 286 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 2: So that was Italian food. 287 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 4: That was Italian field. It was absolutely and it was affordable. 288 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 2: You could do so they're on a student budget. 289 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 4: Just about just about it. But it were nice to 290 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 4: be taken there. I must stay. That was an enormous treat. 291 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 2: Do you remember a kind of multicultural restaurants? You remember 292 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: Indian because a lot of you know, the cheapest food, 293 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 2: certainly when I came in the sixties was Greek, Indian, Chinese. 294 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 4: I mean that was a huge treat to be able 295 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 4: to eat, you know, to eat Chinese and as say, Italian, 296 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 4: and it was a real luxury. And suddenly to be 297 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 4: able to go to go or be taken to somewhere 298 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 4: and you have the luxury of really the choice of 299 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 4: things to have to eat, and you know, I'll never 300 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 4: take that for granted. 301 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 2: I don't think were you ever hungry as a student? 302 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 2: Did you were the days? 303 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 4: I don't ever remember that. 304 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 2: You probably had a grant to do the days when 305 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 2: they know I didn't have a grant. 306 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 4: I lived in QA Queen Alexandra's house, which is right 307 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 4: by the Albert Hall where Central was, and so all 308 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 4: that was I don't know my phone. 309 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: They did, they did. That's good. 310 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, so we were lucky. 311 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and suddenly started getting roles at the National Theater. 312 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 4: I went straight to the VIC. But I mean I've 313 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 4: never been I've never been a good cook, or even 314 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 4: any cook of any kind. So you I have tried. 315 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 4: I have tried. I can do two things. I can 316 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 4: make white sauce and I can make gravy. Oh well 317 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 4: that's pretty good. I'd say, that's all I can do. 318 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 4: But I used to at the VIC. Alec McCowan was 319 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 4: at the VIC at the same time as me, and 320 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 4: he used to live in the King's Road but three 321 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 4: minutes from my flat. We used to have Sunday lunch 322 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 4: together and he used to cook and he used to always, 323 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 4: I mean, it would be a very usual thing. We 324 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 4: were in the importance together. And you know we knew 325 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 4: each other frankly, but he used to send me a 326 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 4: little note saying, would the gravy Queen or the white 327 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 4: sauce Queen come on Sunday and have lunch? And he 328 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 4: did all the rest. 329 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 2: You were at the old Fake Who are the directors 330 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: that you? 331 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 4: Oh, Michael Bentley, Michael Bentle at the VIC and Doug 332 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 4: his seal and oh it was house in days. I 333 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 4: loved it and I despite having had not very good 334 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 4: notice Isophilia, which is my first part. I remember Michael 335 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 4: Bentel said, he said, we'll just get over these notices. 336 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 4: He said, you will get better. And he said, I'll 337 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 4: go on employing you and you can play small parts 338 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 4: and walk on, but you can stay at the VIC. 339 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 4: And you know that that was such. I was so lucky. 340 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 4: And then the National and then Nottingham Playhouse with Johnny Neville, 341 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 4: Who's Hamlet. When I went to the VIC and we 342 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 4: took he was we were the very first company to 343 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 4: ever go to West Africa. 344 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 2: Do you remember that very well? 345 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 4: I remember it very well. Indeed, there's set plays were 346 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 4: Twelfth Night, mac Beth and Arms and the Man. What 347 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 4: was the audience young children, young people at school, and 348 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 4: the British Council was the British Council. 349 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 2: And do you remember the culture of food there? 350 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 4: I do? 351 00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: I do. The food was the. 352 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 4: Food a kind of stew, probably are quite meat based, 353 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 4: might well have been which which actually is a question 354 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 4: I also like to ask. 355 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 2: Would when you act, when you're in a play, do 356 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 2: you eat before? 357 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 4: Do you know after? 358 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 2: You need to tell me about you you're in a play. 359 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 2: You might be doing a matinee. 360 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 4: And sometimes think you're lucky for it. Do you get 361 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 4: to eat in the play? 362 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 2: I know you have a story about that, but if 363 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 2: you're if you might not be eating in the play. 364 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 2: So there's a day you're in a play in the 365 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 2: West End or at the National or at the Old Vic, 366 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 2: and you wake up in the morning and you know 367 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 2: you have a matinee and you have an evening performance. 368 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 2: Judy Dench, what would you what would your day be like? 369 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 4: In terms of I probably I probably I'd have coffee 370 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 4: in the morning or tea. I wouldn't eat very much. 371 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 4: I wouldn't eat much before. I'd eat just something before 372 00:21:53,640 --> 00:22:02,959 Speaker 4: mattering it not much, not lunch, and mostly eat afterwards. 373 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,719 Speaker 2: After the evening performance or after the matinee. 374 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 4: After the evening before. 375 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very I like going to see a 376 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 2: friend of friends I have in the theater and then 377 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 2: going out. They always like to go out for dinner afterwards, 378 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 2: and there's some joyousness. 379 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 4: Is dinner after It is wonderful as long as you 380 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,959 Speaker 4: don't have a match the next day. Do you know? 381 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 4: That's tricky, But I'm in the luxury of doing do 382 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 4: shows and knowing you're going out to dinner afterwards. Yeah, 383 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 4: it's just glorious. 384 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 2: And then other nights you would just go home and 385 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 2: crash or did was there a kind. 386 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 4: Of home and crash? Probably? Probably? 387 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: I always say that there's sort of links between the 388 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 2: theater of a restaurant and the theater of the theater. 389 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,959 Speaker 2: You know that we have a kind of curtain up 390 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 2: at a certain time, and then there's the performance, and 391 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 2: then there's after the performance. And if I do an 392 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 2: evening I can sometimes do a night where the curtain 393 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,479 Speaker 2: goes up. I use somebody walks in and you're ready 394 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 2: and you know it's going to be a great night, 395 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 2: or you just know sometimes even just by the way 396 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 2: the first table sits down, or the way, perhaps one 397 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 2: of the chefs is coming a bit late, or they 398 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 2: seem a bit tired, that maybe it's not going to 399 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,959 Speaker 2: go so well. And then sometimes the one that the 400 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 2: ones that you think won't are the best nights, and 401 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: sometimes the ones you think won't are not the best nights. 402 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 2: But there's a kind of both a kind of feeling 403 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 2: of energy after the performance and also exhaustion. 404 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 4: Do you think it's terribly similar? It's very very similar. 405 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,239 Speaker 4: And some of the nights when you want it to 406 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 4: go well, I don't know whether this applies to well, 407 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 4: it never applies to your restaurant does definitely not when 408 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 4: I've ever been here. But you know, it's the night 409 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 4: that it doesn't go. 410 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't know why? 411 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 4: Do you know? 412 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 2: Sometimes have the same script, you can, you know, the 413 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: same the same actors, the same set. 414 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 4: And there's no explanation for why. It's all that's the 415 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 4: excitement of it. 416 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 2: In two thousand and eight, the living room in our 417 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 2: home was transformed into a magical space, not by painting 418 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 2: the walls a different color or hanging a work of art, 419 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 2: but solely due to Dame Judy Dench walking in for 420 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 2: two hours. She captivated one hundred people telling stories, singing songs, 421 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 2: reciting Shakespeare, all in her unmistakable voice and beautiful demeanor. 422 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 2: We were all there to raise funds for the North 423 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 2: Wall and Outreach Arts Lab project close to Judy's heart. 424 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 2: I remember that when you did that performance at our house, 425 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 2: and it was part of a whole series that we 426 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 2: did of giving performances and then we each chose a charity. 427 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 2: I think that night you chose the Arts Project and 428 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 2: I did med santumand and we did one with Ian 429 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 2: McKellen and Rafe. But I remember, as I said, was 430 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 2: the magic in the room. But I also remember that 431 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 2: you found it kind of intimidating. 432 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 4: I had to walk downstairs, remember I had to come 433 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 4: upstairs and say okay, and then Richard Ire had to 434 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 4: come upstairs, and I thought, I have Judy chepstairs, who's 435 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 4: performed in front of thousands of people in the nation. 436 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 2: And then and then you came down and there were 437 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 2: you know, a hundred people who were only there to 438 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 2: see you, maybe even fewer, maybe eighty or sixty, and 439 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 2: it was quite overwhelming. And remember that. 440 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 4: I do remember walking down the stairs and George Fenton 441 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 4: playing the pian George Fenton. I can't remember what I sang. 442 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 2: Okay, well I found the invitation and the title of 443 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 2: the evening was These Foolish Things, Yes, And I was 444 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 2: wondering if you're saying that, I think you know that 445 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: song I do and. 446 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 4: The lipstreak these remind me of you. But I sang 447 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 4: something else and I can't remember because I remember sing 448 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 4: it a lot of box with George. 449 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 2: I did you yeah, yeah, And we did some singing 450 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 2: with Richard Aire. Do you remember used to sing And 451 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 2: one night we got a piano and we sang around 452 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 2: the piano and it was so it's something. It's one 453 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 2: of the great things to do in. 454 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 4: Life, isn't it, well, singing around a piano. 455 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, should we do that? We should really really love 456 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 2: Let's do it. I have a piano in my house. 457 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 4: I love it. 458 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 2: We have a night and have something delicious, organize really lovely. 459 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 2: What is the play when you said you had to 460 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 2: cook on you had on stage? 461 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 4: Do you know when the paycock? Oh, it's wonderful play 462 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 4: case another play but where I had to cook for 463 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 4: Norman rod Away. She cooks a sausage for him to 464 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 4: eat and half while people who say, you know he's 465 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 4: eating that sausage and it's not cooked. It's simply there 466 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 4: isn't time for her to cook that sausage. 467 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 2: So you actually put a raw sausage in a frying pan? 468 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 4: Yes, oh, yes, so then we pre cooked the sausage. 469 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 4: Well we're cheating a bit here, Yeah. 470 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 2: Is that the only play where you've actually cooked on? 471 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 4: Probably? 472 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 2: We've talked about theater, What about film sets? What about Bond? 473 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 4: Sent Me Anywhere? Kept me in a little room at 474 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 4: the back. And I once said to Barbara and Michael, 475 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 4: I said, you know, you go to such glamorous places, 476 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 4: and all I am, I'm in that office at the 477 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 4: back all the time. So the next time, the next 478 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 4: film we made, I can't remember which one it was, 479 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 4: we were at Stowe's school and they gave me a 480 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 4: trailer my makeup and everything, which had Innsbruck written across 481 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 4: the side. And Barbara said to me, you can never 482 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 4: complain again. Every day you're going to every day to Innsbrook. 483 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 4: I did get to Panama, to Panama which one that was? 484 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 4: Do you know which Bond takes place in Panama? 485 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 2: I remember there was. 486 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 4: I did eight of them because Specter I just did 487 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 4: a morning which was just me giving him the message 488 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 4: on the television or on his machine, so I can't 489 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 4: remember which one it was. 490 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 2: What about did you ever do you ever remember being 491 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 2: on a set where you ate, Well. 492 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 4: They gave you something, but you don't kind of go 493 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 4: in a way feel like it. You know, afterwards, it's 494 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 4: quite a different. 495 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 2: Directors don't like stopping for lunch. If you talk to 496 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 2: people who have made independent movies or small movies, theyways 497 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 2: say that stopping for lunch stops the kind of process. 498 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 4: And you know, even in the mind of any kind 499 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 4: of rehearsal, it's not. The treaty is to know you're 500 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 4: going in the evening something that's the greatest treat to 501 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 4: look forward to. You know. 502 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 2: The question that I ask everyone is the food is 503 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 2: what we eat to sustain ourselves, and food is what 504 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 2: we cook when we want to impress someone or share. 505 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 2: It's also something we find comfort in food. And so 506 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 2: name Judy Dench, what is your comfort food? 507 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 4: Comfort food mashed potato and some really good gravy, onion, 508 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 4: gravy and mashed potato. I quite like down. 509 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 2: Thank you, It's been a wonderful time with you, and 510 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 2: now we'll go have some lunch in the River Cafe. 511 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: The River Cafe Look Book is now available in bookshops 512 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: and online. It has over one hundred recipes, beautifully illustrated 513 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: with photographs from the renowned photographer Matthew Donaldson. The book 514 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: has fifty delicious and easy to prepare recipes, including a 515 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: host of River Cafe classics that have been specially adapted 516 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: for new cooks. The River Cafe Look Book Recipes for 517 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: cooks of all ages. 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