1 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: You know, if you make a point but no one 2 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: even bothers to understand what you said, did you really 3 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: make that point? To begin with that question and more? 4 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: This morning, I'm Josh Fate. This is the Late Kick 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: Extra podcast. It is Wednesday, April thirteenth, the Year of 6 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: Our Lord, twenty twenty two. I am somewhere between oh 7 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: we'll call it Oklahoma City and Nashville chasing tornadoes. I 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: have probably been on the road by the time you 9 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: listen to this for a solid twenty four hours, so 10 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: who knows. 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 2: Keep it locked on the social channels if you want updates. 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: There at Late Kick Josh, we have got such a 13 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: loaded mail bag this morning. We're going all over the place. 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: You guys, as usual, have done a great job. There's 15 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: one question that just made me angry. I just referenced it, 16 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 1: but I'm not going to start with that. Why start 17 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: on a down note when we can start on well, 18 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: kind of also a down note, but it's at least 19 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: it's a little bit different in nature. Shelton from Portland 20 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: leads us out. Shelton said, do you feel like there's 21 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: a certain where college football turned down a wrong road 22 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: or maybe started going in a wrong direction, Yes, Shelton, 23 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: I do. I'm not in one of these doom and 24 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: gloom type people who just believes the sport is beyond 25 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: saving or anything like that. 26 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: Believe it or not. 27 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: This era that a lot of people want to go 28 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: back to the two thousands. If I could take you 29 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: back to the two thousands, you would be maybe shocked 30 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: to know that people were arguing about all sorts of 31 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: things back then too. So it's always kind of a revisionist, 32 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: rose colored glasses sort of look at the past. But 33 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: I would go back, and I would I'd love to 34 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: find myself again in that early to mid two thousands range, 35 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: and I would love to just talk some sense into 36 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: some people who got their hands on the wheel of 37 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,279 Speaker 1: college football. You know, we came to a point where 38 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: the nineties were so good that it springboarded the sport 39 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: into the two thousands, and with it, the profile just 40 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: continued to grow and grow and grow. Make no mistake, now, 41 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: college football was always big in the nineties, but it 42 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: became a total behemoth in the two thousands, morphing into 43 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: what it is today, and a lot of people took no. 44 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: And that's the catch twenty two. When you have a 45 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: more niche based sport, which compared to the NFL at 46 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: least college football was. And then people start to find 47 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: out how great it is. They keep hearing this commotion 48 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: about this college football, and you know, they look down 49 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: their nose at it. But folks like you and I 50 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: we love it. Well, eventually they give it a little taste, 51 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: or if they don't like it themselves, they notice how 52 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: many other people are giving it a taste, and eventually 53 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: they realize, wait a second, hey, a lot of people 54 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: seem to like that. Well, if people like it, then 55 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: you know what the follow up is, there's money to 56 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: be made off of it. And there's nothing wrong with 57 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: making money. I'm all for money. I'm a big fan 58 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,399 Speaker 1: of money. Actually, I own some of it myself, hope 59 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: to own a lot more of it someday. But there's 60 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with trying to profit off of something that's 61 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: in high demand. What I do have a problem with 62 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: is when you cross kind of a line in the 63 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: sand and you start sacrificing the integrity of said product 64 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: in the name of profit maximization. This is a tale 65 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: that is as old as time. This did not start 66 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: with college football, it won't end with college football. But 67 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: once people who didn't have an emotional attachment to this 68 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: game and strictly had a business lens on the sport 69 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: got their hands on the wheel, we started heading down 70 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: a road that ultimately got us where the sport just 71 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: felt so much more commercialized. I know there's a give 72 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: and take. I know there's a certain amount of that 73 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: you have to stomach. 74 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 2: I get it. 75 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: But we just came out of the Masters, for example, 76 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: that was held at Augustin. Whether you're a golf fan 77 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: or not, you have an impression of Augusta National and 78 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: the Masters and the green jacket and Amen corner, and 79 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: you know those things because they're so pristine and they 80 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: have maintained their sanctity because the folks who run the 81 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: Masters have never let anyone else take the wheel. They 82 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: have always called the shots. And I really wish there 83 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: were some more aspects of college football. Do you notice 84 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: the random accent there? Random aspects? I wish there were 85 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: some more aspects of college football, of our sport that 86 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: we had been able to keep sacred. Some of it's 87 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: big like, of course, I wish we never would have 88 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: gone to a college football playoff. But some of you 89 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: are fans of that. I'll tell you one that stands 90 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: out to me a lot. I grew up in the South, 91 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: but now I've been able to go to a lot 92 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: of games up north. Their places, whether it be Notre 93 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: Dame or Michigan, you know there are places where they 94 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: could fill their stadium with advertising, but they don't. Now, 95 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: is that what's best for business? 96 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: Well? 97 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: No, they're actually leaving money on the table. You don't 98 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: think big brands would love to plaster their logos all 99 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: over the big House? Sure they would. Michigan doesn't do it, though, 100 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 1: Why don't they do that? Are they not sound business 101 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: minded people? Sure they are, but they understand there's a 102 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: line they would prefer not to cross. They're not exactly 103 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: hurting for money, and so they have decided that the 104 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: integrity of our game day experience and the ambiance of 105 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: our stadium, the presentation that we want to have, is 106 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: worth more to us than a dollar figure that a 107 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: big corporation would give us per year to put their 108 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: logo in both end zones. I respect that, I love that. 109 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: That is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. 110 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: Doesn't mean you're wrong if you've gone the route of 111 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: allowing major advertising in your stadium. It just means I've 112 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: got a little more respect for the ones who have 113 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: chosen to abstain from that. So this is not how 114 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: decisions are made in the real world. In the boardroom, 115 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: I know that I'm in them half the time. I 116 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: understand what the conversations are really like. But there's this 117 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:11,239 Speaker 1: more idealistic side of me that wishes in an alternate universe. 118 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: There were people in the room who weren't allowed to 119 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: talk unless they really could speak the language of college 120 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: football fluently. If you can't name me the teams in 121 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: the Big Ten East, if you can't tell me what 122 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: the mascot of Arizona is, I don't really want you 123 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: making critical decisions about the overall feel and presentation and direction. 124 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 2: Of this sport. 125 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: Again, let me cap this the way I opened it. 126 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: I know that's not how the real world works. But Shelton, 127 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: you asked if I thought personally there was a place 128 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: where we may have turned down the wrong road. 129 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: Yet that was it. 130 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what year specifically that was, but that 131 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: was it. Jeff is in Joplin, Missouri. Now this is 132 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: the one that got me a little bit. Now I 133 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: have since corresponded with Jeff privately. So we've already settled 134 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: our differences. So it's going to sound like I'm going 135 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: after him here. I just got a lot of this 136 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: the other day. Jeff has agreed to be the pinata. 137 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: He's agreed to be the punching bag here. The question is, well, 138 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: actually it was a statement, maybe both, now that I 139 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: look at It was in response to a segment we 140 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: did the other night about Debosweny and all these comments 141 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: he had with Chris Low from ESPN dot com. It 142 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: was a very long form, wide ranging interview about the 143 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: transfer portal and NIL and the direction of college football. 144 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: And he did it Saturday, I guess, and so it 145 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: made its way around the Internet, and then people, of 146 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: course took bits and pieces of it out of context 147 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: and used it to further whatever their own personal belief 148 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,119 Speaker 1: or agenda is for or against NIL and the portal 149 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: and Daboswheny and whatever. So I went on Late Kick 150 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: Sunday night. You may have already listened to it, and 151 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: I just said, number one, I appreciate his honesty even 152 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: when I don't agree with him. Number two, he's being 153 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: taken badly out of context. The guy's not anti NIL 154 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: at all. He is anti professionalization of college football a IE, 155 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: removing the academic side entirely from college football. He's also 156 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: personally opposed to leveraging the portal very hard. That's called thehilosophy. 157 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: You know, you can disagree with it, that's cool, but 158 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: that's just called philosophy. He's done some weird philosophical things 159 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: there before that have won him championships that I disagreed with. 160 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: So who was wrong? You know? 161 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: So anyway, I say all that to tee up Jeff here, 162 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: Jeff said, so dabos winn is just gonna not pay kids, 163 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: but not use the portal but still be immune to losing. Yeah, okay, 164 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: I don't buy it, bro. That's what Jeff said. When 165 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: I led the pod a little while ago. I said, 166 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: if you make a point and no one even hears 167 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: what you say or bothers to listen, did the point 168 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: really get made? Well, I didn't say any of this. 169 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: I never suggested Dabo's not gonna pay kids. That's not 170 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: what NIL is, by the way, it's not supposed to 171 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: be at least, but I never suggested that. I never 172 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: suggested he would be immune to losing. I never said 173 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: that I think Dabo should abstain from the portal. 174 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: I never said any of this. 175 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: One of the core issues I have a lot of 176 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: times when people will come back to me with comments 177 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: about the show. Is not that they're coming to me 178 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: with comments. 179 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: I love that. 180 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: I interact with you guys all day, like dozens of 181 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: interactions per day. What aggravates me is when I say 182 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: something pretty clearly and then people want to argue with it, 183 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: and half the time I'll just say, hey, could you 184 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: tell me what I said? They can't even accurately tell 185 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: me what I said. It's a bad, bad problem in 186 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: our society in general. People don't listen. People do not listen. 187 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: Here's a telltale sign. If someone routinely starts a sentence 188 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: before you're finished with yours, they're not listening to you. 189 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: There's some coaches out there who are bad at this. 190 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: Go listen to a press conference and listen to the 191 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: guys who start talking before the question is done being answered. 192 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: Those are not good listeners. They may end up being 193 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: good coaches, they're not good listeners. A lot of folks, 194 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: I guarantee you, when I'm sitting there doing a segment. 195 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: You hear about three fourths of a sentence and then 196 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: your mind starts wandering and you didn't even hear what 197 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: was said. A lot of this happens with dabos twenty two. 198 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 1: So to go back to this Jeff, and again we 199 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: already cleared the air me and him. But Jeff said, Okay, 200 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: so Dabo's just not going. 201 00:08:58,840 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: To pay kids. 202 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: Well, I never said that. He's never said they're not 203 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: going to embrace NIL. To be clear, that's. 204 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 2: What it is. 205 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: It's supposed to be name, image and likeness, your player's 206 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: partnering with other brands and entities. It's not supposed to 207 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: be your school facilitating that. Now what is and is 208 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: it going on? That's another show, But no one ever 209 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: said that in fac Dabo didn't say that. Dabo didn't 210 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: say he's anti NIL. In fact, if you go read 211 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: the piece, Dabo's multiple times quoted as saying he's pro NIL. 212 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: Doesn't have a problem with NIL. He has a problem 213 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: with the professionalization of college athletics. And what he means 214 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: by that is he's got a problem with any kind 215 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: of future model where the educational aspect of college sports 216 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: is no longer because then it's not college sports to him. 217 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: I agree with that wholeheartedly. I agree with that. I'd 218 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: say the same thing if I were him. I'm saying 219 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: the same thing, and I'm not him. I'm just a 220 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: dude behind a microphone. So that's part one of this. 221 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: That's nonsense. The second thing is and then he's not 222 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: going to use the portal, but he'll be immune to losing. 223 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: I didn't say anything remote close to that, nor. 224 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 2: Did Dabo Swinny. 225 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: Now what he did say is he is still very 226 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: against leaning on the portal. So what do we have there. 227 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: We have a philosophy there that's gonna be wide ranging. 228 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: You're gonna have some coaches out there who use the 229 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: portal even more than they do high school recruiting. You're 230 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: gonna have some guys like Dabo Swinny. I'm gonna paraphrase 231 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: it because I don't have the article pulled up, but 232 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: what he said was essentially, if I continue to go 233 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: in the portal, then I'm telling our guys they're not 234 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 1: good enough, the ones we actually went and recruited out 235 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: of high school. And also he said, my transfer portal 236 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 1: should be that locker room. We should already have replacements. 237 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: We should have fill ins for holes that we need 238 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: to fill because guys left for whatever reason. Maybe it's 239 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: the draft or graduation, or maybe they departed. 240 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 2: That's the entire. 241 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: Premise behind a developmental program, a developmental model. We're supposed 242 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: to have the replacement there. He didn't say he'll never 243 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: use the portal, but yes, he absolutely has said he's 244 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: gonna be very hesitant to do it. It's gonna be 245 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: a last resort a. 246 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 2: This is where he. 247 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: And I don't see it the same way, which is, okay, 248 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: that's a philosophy. It's just a difference in philosophy that 249 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: make him right or wrong, or him bad. 250 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 2: And me good. 251 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: But what I think is I think he will adjust 252 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: on this, maybe not overnight, but I do think there's 253 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: gonna come a time in the future where you see Clemson, 254 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: maybe reluctantly, but you will see Clemson in that portal 255 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: a little bit more. Because what you're essentially saying right 256 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: now is, even though this new fancy interstate systems in place, 257 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: I'm still taking highways and back roads just because that's 258 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: what I grew up driving on. It's not gonna work. 259 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 1: It's not gonna work because every other one of them 260 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: is on the interstate. Your opponents, they're on the interstate. 261 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: They're getting to the town forty five minutes before you 262 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: because they took the quicker way. You may not like it. 263 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: You don't have to like it. I guarantee you. Daboswiney 264 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: does stuff right now that he doesn't like administratively. But 265 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: the other thing he said is he doesn't like that 266 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: there is not a set parameter or a guideline for this, 267 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: and that he's saying what everyone else is saying. Guys, 268 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: behind the scenes, they're all saying this. They're all saying it. 269 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: And then a lot of people also got bent out 270 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: of shape because he was talking about free market capitalism 271 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: and he was talking about. 272 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: How you determine value. 273 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now, you determine value by how 274 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: replaceable you are. 275 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 2: That's how you determine value. 276 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: And if the market says that it's really hard to 277 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: go find another Dabo or another Nick Saban, you're gonna 278 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: get paid a lot of money. That's why those college 279 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: football coaches are making more than the professors on their campuses. 280 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: Don't mean that what they do is more important than 281 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: what the professor is doing. It does mean that what 282 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: they're doing is harder to replicate than what the professor does. 283 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: That's the way it is, Bruce hornsby reference there. It 284 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: is one for the week. But look, the whole point is, Jeff, 285 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: you're alleging some things that I never said here. So again, 286 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: we've already cleared the air there. But this doesn't mean 287 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 1: that Dabo's immune to consequence here. He's going to be 288 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: negatively recruited against because he says things like this. I 289 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: respect that he knows that and still does it anyway 290 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: because he wants to give you an honest answer. The 291 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: other part of this is I think he's going to 292 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: adjust and evolve on this. Some people all call all 293 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: change progress. I don't call it that way. I don't 294 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: know if what we're doing as a sport right now 295 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 1: is progress across the board. So I'm not going to 296 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: say he's going to progress. I will say that he 297 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: may have to evolve on some of these things. So 298 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: I don't think Dabo today is the same debo that 299 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: we'll see in five years. But I'll tell you this, 300 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: I'll reiterate what I said on the show the other night. 301 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: I do believe him being DEBOSWHENNY I do believe Daboswenny 302 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: when he says he values the educational aspect of college football. 303 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: I think he's totally genuine when he talks about how 304 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: much he cares for the players. And I also think 305 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: he's totally genuine in his motivation. His motivation is he 306 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: wants what's best for college football. That's why I'll always 307 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: give him the time of day. Some guys are total BS. 308 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 2: Artists on that. I don't think he's one of them. 309 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 1: But like I said on the show the other night, 310 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: if college football were to continue to go down a row, 311 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: that makes what we know the sport to be as 312 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: less and less recognizable, I fully believe Dabo's the kind 313 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: of guy who would retire abruptly. It would not totally 314 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: and utally stun me if the portal continues to be 315 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: out of control and NIL just devolves further and further 316 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: into the chaos that it was over this past cycle. 317 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: If you turned on the TV one morning and there's 318 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: bottom line ESPN breaking news Davos when he announced his 319 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: retirement from Clemson, and he just goes into another sector, 320 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: He goes into media, does whatever. He's the kind of 321 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: guy I think would do that, because Dabo's the kind 322 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: of guy who I also believe when he says, I 323 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: don't really do this for the money, and he's already 324 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: financially said anyway, Dabo's not the kind of guy who's 325 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: gonna hang on just for the sake of hanging on. 326 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: I'm telling you he's not. Now that may affect you, 327 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: or you may not care about that whatsoever, but just 328 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: keep that in the back of your mind. And I 329 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: don't think he's the only one, is what I'm trying 330 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: to tell you. That's the point I'm trying to hammer home. 331 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: I don't think Dabo's the only high profile coach out 332 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: there who looks at the current scope of college football 333 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: and thinks to themselves, if this thing continues in this direction, 334 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: I'm going to give it some time. But if it 335 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: continues in this direction for another three or four years, 336 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: I may be out of here. This is not gonna 337 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: be for me. That's not a good thing. Boys and girls, 338 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: that's not a good thing at all. Even if you 339 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: don't like that particular coach, that in principle is not 340 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: a good thing. Preston in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina is 341 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: up next important question here, Boy, we're gonna have some 342 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: difference of opinions. Preston wants to know what is the 343 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: perfect setting in your mind for a college football game, 344 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: ie kickoff time, weather conditions, etc. I've changed so so 345 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: much on this. I used to want cold weather, and 346 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: I used to prefer no kickoff before seven o'clock. Of course, 347 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: when I grew up, I'm paying to go to games. 348 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: I want that primetime experience. You know, there was a 349 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: time where the primetime game still meant something. It was 350 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: very rare, it was a precious commodity. There were only 351 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: one or two primetime wind windows. I still remember. I 352 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: think it was the mid two thousands. I want to say, 353 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: when ABC started their Saturday night Game of the Week. 354 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: That was a huge news story. 355 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: ABC is going to have a primetime college football game. 356 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: At that point, we were still in an era where 357 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: ESPN I think had like the seven forty five game, 358 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: but most of the big games were three thirty, and 359 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: they moved the ABC primetime game and ESPN. Of course, 360 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: when you had the advent of the SEC network and 361 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: then the SEC ESPN deal, a lot more of those 362 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: games got pushed to six, seven, eight pm. 363 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: Kickoffs. 364 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: So nowadays everyone plays night games. Well, with that change, 365 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: I saw less and less incentive to root for the 366 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: night game. And also now that I do this professionally, 367 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: as I've told you many times during the season, I 368 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: love the noon kickoff. Everyone hates it. I love the 369 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: noon kickoff, the Fox Big noon kickoff. Love it, love it, 370 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: love it. In fact, I would tell you where was I. 371 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: It was Baylor, Oklahoma this past year. That would have 372 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: been a noon Eastern time, eleven am local time kickoff. 373 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: Again everyone's complaining. I'm just loving it. As has been 374 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: well documented here, they had the breakfast buffet and the 375 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: press box, limitless hash Browns, and I took full advantage. 376 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: But what we had that day was clear blue skies. 377 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: We had lower humidity, but it wasn't cold yet, and 378 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: so it was probably mid sixties, maybe the mid to 379 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 1: upper sixties. Sunshine, low humidity, and even though the game 380 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: kicks off at eleven am, you've got the lower sun angle, 381 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: so it's not just blaring down on you all day. 382 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: There is some shade if you want to go stand 383 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: in shade, especially second half. I thought that was the 384 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: most pristine set of weather conditions, combined with kickoff time 385 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: that I experienced all year, and I juxtaposed that with 386 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: just a few weeks later, and we're up in ann 387 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: Arbor and we got what maybe a lot of you 388 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: would prefer, We got snow. Still a noon kickoff, but 389 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 1: we got snow, and we got frigid, cold temperatures. And 390 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: I'm wearing who knows how many layers. I had, layers 391 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: that I had never even worn before that I took 392 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: to that game. So clearly this is a to each 393 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: his and her own kind of situation. Because I've evolved 394 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: my thinking on this. I mean, I'm totally different. I 395 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: think that twenty year old JP would be totally and 396 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: thoroughly disappointed with modern day JP because twenty year old 397 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: JP rooted for cold weather. Suck it up was the attitude, 398 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: and he rooted for night games. And now I'm sitting 399 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: here saying, give me mid sixties and gim me Nune kickoffs, 400 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: and I guess some porridge after I put my dentures 401 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: in because it makes me sound eighty years old and 402 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: I'm not not even half that. But I do enjoy 403 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: some of the finer things that are more seasoned listeners 404 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: have come to love. And one of them is an 405 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: earlier kickoff, and the second is don't make it quite 406 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: so freezing outside. Get a little nice early October base 407 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: ten if you will. And hey, maybe some limitless hash 408 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: Browns before the game. That doesn't hurt either. So there 409 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: you have it, tranquil, nice, balmy weather conditions, early kickoff time. 410 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: Brent is up next. This is an important question because 411 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: of where Brent's from. Brent is from Silver Spring, Maryland. 412 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: Silver Springs with an S on the end is one 413 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: of the most underrated songs of all time. That was 414 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: a song that was recorded by Fleetwood Mac but left 415 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: off the Rumors album inexplicably. 416 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 2: And think about what I just said. 417 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: Rumors still considered by many to be the best album 418 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: of all time, including yours truly, even though it was 419 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: recorded well before. 420 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 2: I was born. 421 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: But they left one of my favorite songs off of it, 422 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: and they chose some songs that shouldn't have been on there. 423 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: So anyway, Silver Spring, Maryland checking in for the first 424 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: time to my knowledge, and Brent is the representative, and 425 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: he said, how many years should a coach be given 426 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: before he's on the hot seat. Well, I'm a big 427 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: believer that outside of scandal or hardcore extenuating circumstances. You 428 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,479 Speaker 1: gotta give them a minimum of three. I mean a 429 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: minimum of three. I think Mike Norvel is a really 430 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: good example of this right now. Mike Norvel's entering his 431 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: third year. The first year he got there, he was 432 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: in the worst of the worst situation because he's a 433 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: new coach, and then COVID happened, so they didn't get 434 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: spring and they're still talking about that down there. 435 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 2: And I don't think it's an excuse. I mean, I 436 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 2: think it's valid. It's legitimate. 437 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: But he had that year, then they had last year, 438 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: and he's going into year three. And I talked a 439 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: lot about this on the show the other night, and 440 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: I kind of talked to someone about this over the weekend, 441 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: trying to get a gauge on Florida state. And here's 442 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: the reality. They're improving. Every aspect of the program is improving. 443 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: It's just that no one has taken the volume knob 444 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: and turned it up to eleven like you picture in 445 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: your wildest dreams. You know, you want an immediate turnaround. 446 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: You want what Nick Saban did at Bama seven wins 447 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: the first year boom. They're playing for the SEC title, 448 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: undefeated regular season the next year, you want what Kirby 449 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: Smart did well. The fact of the matter is there 450 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: aren't many of those folks out there, and those situations 451 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: were a lot more ready made for success. Nick Saban 452 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: could walk in anywhere and turn it around. But short 453 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: of finding another Saban, you got to accept that sometimes 454 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: one and maybe even two years is just not quite enough, 455 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: especially if you inherited a very depleted roster situation. You know, 456 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 1: even in a perfect world, if you're just an entire 457 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: staff of assassin recruiters, it takes a little while. And 458 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: even if you've got the portal to use now, it 459 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: takes a little while. We most coaching staffs are good 460 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,719 Speaker 1: to very good maybe recruiters, and so it just it 461 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: doesn't happen overnight. So anyway, Mike Norvell, this year, it's 462 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: an interesting situation because if you ask Florida State fans, 463 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: they just want to find a way to win eight games. 464 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: And yet you're listening and watching, if you watch the 465 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: spring game this past weekend, and you're listening to spring 466 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: practice reports, and it's not that they have a terrible 467 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: quarterback situation, but they don't have a great win. It's 468 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: not that they have terrible position groupings, but there are 469 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: very few elite or very few even really really good ones. 470 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: They do have depth issues. They are going to have 471 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: to go hit the portal. But the point is, what 472 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: do you do there? I said this on the show 473 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: the other night. What do you do if Florida State 474 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: wins seven games? They're improving though? What if you look 475 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: at them and you say, well, we can't deny they've 476 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: made marginal improvement across the board. 477 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:08,479 Speaker 2: Well, what do you do? 478 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: Because I can tell you confidently there are people who 479 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: would want to pull the plug after year three on 480 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: Mike Norvel if he wins seven games this year. But 481 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: yet there's a distinct possibility seven games would equal improvement. 482 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: If you see improvement happening, even if it's not linear, 483 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: and even if it's not happening quite as fast as 484 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: you'd want it to, it is very foolish to hit 485 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: the dump button on that cause folks who consistently improve 486 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: year over year are few and far between, don't care 487 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: how much you pay them, and don't care where they've 488 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: been before. Every program has its own unique set of circumstances. 489 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: So I vote three years minimum unless you have again, 490 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: like indiscretion off the field or scandal or something like 491 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: that three years, and doubly especially if you see improvement, 492 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: then you better not You better be really, really ultra 493 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: sure you've got an ironclad replacement before you go hitting 494 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: the dump button. So she is a program I bring 495 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: up because I think this is going to be real 496 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: this year. I think they're going to float somewhere in 497 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a six to eight win range. I 498 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: know that's a large range when we're talking about a 499 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: twelve game schedule, but depending on where they fall in 500 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: there will depend on where twenty five percent of the 501 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: Florida State fan base's opinion goes. Six wins, get them 502 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: out of here, seven wins, it'll be on the fence. 503 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: Eight wins, they're good, and that could be a balance 504 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: of the ball. Could be like Nebraska this last year, 505 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: which is just I was looking at their schedule the 506 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: other day. It's totally insane to look at I know 507 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: we all watched it last year, but if you've forgotten, 508 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: they lost nine games, all by single digits. Eight of 509 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: the nine were by one possession. Just the way this 510 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: sport works boggles the mind sometimes. But anyway, Brent and 511 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: beautiful Silver Spring Maryland. Even this time of year, three 512 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: wins please, three wins minimum. Melanie is up next? Which 513 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: quarterback battle are you watching the closest? Now, Melanie, I'm 514 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: going to assume some things here about you. You're checking 515 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: in from Houston, maybe the Port of Houston. Hope you 516 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: guys saw that video from a listener in the Port 517 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: of Houston the other night. Melanie, you're in Houston, You're 518 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: very close to college station. You either love Texas A 519 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: and M or you hate Texas A and M. But 520 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: either way, you got an opinion about Texas A and M. 521 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: Therefore you are invested in the program emotionally. I'm gonna 522 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: say Texas A and M. Jimbo Fisher. They just had 523 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: the spring game this past Saturday. Jimbo Fisher afterwards said 524 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: something very important. Jimbo was asked about why they threw 525 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: the ball deep so much, and the question was really 526 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: called it was so windy. It was like a tropical 527 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: depression wind factor there. But he said, well, we were 528 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 1: going to do that regardless because we know we have to. 529 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: And yeah, if today was a game day, we may 530 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: not have thrown it with the wind like it is. 531 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: But it's springball. So he said, we got to throw 532 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: it downfield. We've got to be more adamant about pushing 533 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: the ball downfield. You may be listening if you're a 534 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: casual college football fan and say to yourself, Okay, big deal, 535 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 1: everyone knows that. Well they don't or they don't put 536 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 1: it in practice, and Fisher in Texas, A and M 537 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: at this point famously, I think one of the most 538 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: famous stats in the sport right now is they were 539 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: ninety second in the country out of about one hundred 540 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: and thirty teams in past plays of twenty yards or 541 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: more last year. That's not a big deal if you're 542 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: trying to get Bowl eligible. But this is a team 543 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: that claims to be wanting to compete for the SEC West. Well, 544 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: that's not going to fly. Pun intended, it's not going 545 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: to fly. And they know they got to get better. 546 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 2: Now. 547 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: What he said was, we are committed to it. We've 548 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: been doing it all spring. We know we've got to 549 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: do it. We did it today, we are going to 550 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: continue to work on it. And presumably, because the follow 551 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: up was asked, should we assume that means you're going 552 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 1: to do it in the fall. He said, yeah, I 553 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: mean he was totally adamant. He didn't beat around the bush, 554 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: so we know we got to do that. Well, that 555 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: goes back to the quarterback question that Melanie asked. Max 556 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: Johnson looked pretty good. Surprisingly mobile, look pretty good. That's 557 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: the LSU transfer, of course. And then you've got Haines King, 558 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: who looks fully healthy and he's back and he's also mobile. 559 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 2: But you knew that about him. They've got a. 560 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: Really, really good quarterback battle that's going on down there, 561 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: and I really need to emphasize this a real quarterback battle. 562 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: We have entered an era now, the transfer portal era, 563 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: where everybody's going to claim to have a quarterback battle 564 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 1: in the spring. We were talking about this in a 565 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: meeting this morning at twenty four to seven, Like how 566 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: many coaches behind the scenes would just readily tell you, yeah, 567 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 1: we pretty much know who's going to start here, but 568 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 1: we can't be saying that publicly because we don't want 569 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: the other two guys transferring. Well, at Texas A and M, 570 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: they have a legitimate quarterback battle, and I think they 571 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 1: got two guys they can win with other places they're 572 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: trying to choose from a bunch of guys, and they 573 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: don't know if they could win with any of them. 574 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 1: But Texas A and M I think has at least 575 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: two guys they can win with. 576 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 2: And Connor Wegman I. 577 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: Think would also be in the mix at most places. 578 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 1: That's the five star true freshman. It just so happens 579 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: they have good enough quarterback. 580 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 2: Depth there right now. 581 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: So I don't think he'll be in the mix this year. 582 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: I'm not totally just putting him on the shelf and 583 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: putting the red shirt on him, but I don't think 584 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: he'll be in the mix. But those other two, I'm 585 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 1: very much paying attention to that because as much as 586 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: everyone is still trying to say, well, twenty twenty three 587 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: is the year where they could really hit it out 588 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: of the park, I don't think the training wheels are 589 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 1: on the expectation bike for Texas A and M anymore. 590 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: I just don't like, you never look at Bama anymore, 591 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: or Ohio State or Georgia or Clemson. You don't look 592 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: at them anymore and give them time for a down year. 593 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 2: No one does that. That's just life. 594 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: When you recruit like they do, when when you invest 595 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: like they do, you spend like they do. You don't 596 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 1: get to have a down year expectation wise. 597 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 2: And Texas A. 598 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: And M, I think some folks are still struggling with 599 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: their mentality shift of applying those Tier one expectations annually 600 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: to Texas A and M. 601 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 2: Maybe they'll give them one more year. 602 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, as the season draws closer, I 603 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: don't think there's gonna be a whole lot of eight 604 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: win nine win talk, even though that's probably where the 605 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: Vegas over under AB's around nine. 606 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 2: I think that. 607 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: Expectation level is going to get kicked up into that 608 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 1: double digit win range. And I don't think it's out 609 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: of the realm of possibility for him this year. Melanie, 610 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: if big, if here, if get that quarterback situation figured out, 611 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: figuring things out, I mean, it's the name of the game. 612 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: It's so hard in some cases, it's so easy in 613 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: the other case, like for instance, listening to this right 614 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: now got him, got him not even gonna make fun 615 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: of you. You did not see that coming, but you 616 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: sat through it anyway, and I appreciate it. Michael in Demopolis, Alabama, 617 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: I think that's where the University of West Alabama is. 618 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 2: Maybe that's Livingstone. 619 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: Anyway, Michael says, I'm trying to understand college football betting 620 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: more before this season. In the NFL, it seems like 621 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: everyone gets three points for home field advantage. Do you 622 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: think that's the same in college No, Michael, I do not. 623 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: This is a really good question. This may not be understood, 624 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: and so you need to understand it. 625 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 2: Now. 626 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: When you think home field advantage, sometimes you think about 627 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: how loud a stadium gets. That's not the end all 628 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: be all in home field advantage. Some places are historically 629 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: mathematically proven to be just harder to win than other places. 630 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: And I think it would surprise you that Boise State 631 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: is one of the highest nu miracle home field advantages 632 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: historically that Vegas gives out. They've been known in certain 633 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: years to give out five or six points of home 634 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: field advantage for Boise State. Now I have my own 635 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: theory on that. I think it's because they are allowed 636 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: to wear those blue uniforms on a solid blue field, 637 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: which if I'm college football commissioner, I would outlaw tomorrow. 638 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 2: But hey, whatever, do what you do. If they'll let 639 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 2: you get away with it, then do it. 640 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: But Boise State's always had For instance, Boise State has 641 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: had a more solid home field advantage than Georgia. Now 642 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: does that make sense to you, No, it doesn't. I 643 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: think Georgia's home field is ramped up over the past 644 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: year or two. I would apply probably half a point 645 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: to three quarter or a point more for Georgia. I 646 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: just think their fans are doing a better job of 647 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: making that a very very raucous game day environment there, 648 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: more so than it used to be. So, Michael, it's 649 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: a floating scale. There is not a set scale. This 650 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: is all always moving. But no, it's not a set 651 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: three point thing like the NFL, because think about what 652 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: you have. You have so much more fluctuation in roster 653 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: maturity that a team may have when they're going on 654 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: the road. You have so much more fluctuation in stadium 655 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: sizes week to week. 656 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 2: The distance you have. 657 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: To travel, for instance, in conferences at the G five 658 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: level sometimes, in fact, a lot of times you're not chartering. 659 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,479 Speaker 1: You're having to rely on actually traveling commercial sometimes and 660 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: that means connecting flights and I don't know if you've 661 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: checked the latest outposts in conferences that especially reside out West, 662 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: those aren't always the easiest places to get to and 663 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: so for all those reasons that all gets baked into 664 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: home field advantage. But it's a very very important part 665 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: of odds making and handicapping, and no, Michael, it is 666 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: not just three points across the board. It's a very 667 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: good question there, very good question and good questions all 668 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: over the place. 669 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 2: I think we really. 670 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: Solved a lot of the college football world's problems again today, Hey, 671 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: I told you the other night. I'll reiterate it here. 672 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: I'm on cameo now. 673 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 2: And one of. 674 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: The first bookings I took was someone who will remain nameless, 675 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: whose wife was an NFL fan, and he was trying 676 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: to convince her the college game is for her as well, 677 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: and he had me explain to her why the postseason 678 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: in the sports has to be different and why both 679 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: of them can make sense. But then the coup de gras. 680 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: I had one of you, and in fact two of 681 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: you now have booked me to try and convince your 682 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: fiance that a spring wedding is better than a fall wedding. 683 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: I think I did some of the best work I 684 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: have done since I have been here in those cameo recordings. 685 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: So the link if you want to book one is 686 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: in my Twitter profile. I'm not going to overly plug 687 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: this in your face over and over again, but. 688 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 2: I was on the fence about this and it ended 689 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 2: up being like the highlight of my day. So at 690 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 2: Lake Kick Josh on Twitter follow. If you haven't already, 691 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 2: you can see the link there. 692 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: For our entire product team here, I'm Josh Payton. Thanks 693 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: so much for checking out the pod. Make sure you 694 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: are subscribed and leaving five star reviews if you haven't already, 695 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: I'll see you back in studio Thursday nights. Until then, 696 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: take care of have a great day, and God bless you.