WEBVTT - Ep 341: Turn Up And Turn Out At Your Job 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:09.480 It's time for the b a q a A to 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:11.840 b a q A. What you say the big a 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:14.560 q a Man Day, the b a q A with 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:19.759 tiffin A, the b a q a A. Welcome to 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:22.560 the Brida Mission. Question answers, You got questions, we got answers. 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:25.840 Although we're not your attorney, what's your financial advisors? We're 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:30.640 not your mama, but we are two be beautiful, smart 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:34.280 brown girls who know a thing about money, career, business, 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:36.280 what I'm saying. So, if you have those questions, you 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:39.040 can send them on them Bridepitchion podcast dot com. Ask 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:42.599 anything or like you know, you can send us an 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:45.120 audio note on Instagram. We'd love to hear those, and 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.920 we might introduce you and bring you into the studio 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:52.000 to ask those questions live. We're gonna talk about care well, 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:55.280 it's our career, but these are this one is actually career. 0:00:55.080 --> 0:01:00.400 Ish career life business. It's business business business, mixing business 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:03.360 with career. That's fine. Let me read our first question 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:07.240 from anonymous Let's go says Hello, I was wondering if 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.640 you both could possibly touch on finding an attorney for 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.959 a business. I'm reading gek it with money, geck Good 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:16.800 Money dot com and saw where Tiffany has a section 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:19.000 on getting an attorney as part of your money team. 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.080 She even lists a resource, which was really nice. However, 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:25.560 after checking out the attorney's page, I wanted more information 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:28.760 on best practices to select an attorney, taking into a 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:33.080 consideration costs, etc. What should be outsourced to an attorney, 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:37.199 and what can potentially what can we potentially handle doing 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.080 on our own. Additionally, if you're open to it, could 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:45.679 you touch further on Don's numbers, trademarks, copyrights for a business, 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:50.960 or provide more resources to consider for research purposes. Hope 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:53.400 this makes sense, Thank you, Anonymous. 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:57.600 It does make sense, Anonymous, Not to me. 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.200 What's Done's numbers? Is that the duns on Broad Street thing? 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:00.680 No? 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:02.400 Yeah, numbers? 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:04.560 It's all afraid get what it is again because I 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:07.720 have it for my business and I forgot like just 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:08.160 that quickly. 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:09.200 I was like, what was that again? 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:10.720 Like that's okay? 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:13.520 Yeah, like no, because I I you know, it's a 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:16.640 it's you know what it is. It's like your Okay. 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:21.440 Done numbers is universal numbering system abbreviated. It is a 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:24.880 prietary system developed and manage Okay, yes, so. 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:26.280 It is done on brad street. 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:26.520 Yeah. 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:28.480 Yeah, yeah, it's like you're a security number for your 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:30.200 business kind of exactly. 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:31.760 So it's a mm hmm. 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:33.720 So it's important to have that because it also will 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.920 allow them to see like I think it's attached to 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:39.120 your business credit, so you can kind of like track 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:41.720 your with your DUNE number. There are things that you 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.280 can apply for that you might not otherwise be able 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:48.080 to do. It's not the same as the EI AN do. 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.600 I feel like it's more important you need that EI 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:52.960 DE tax id number. Well, you have to don't have 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.240 a number. You don't have to have a DONE number, 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:57.440 but you have to have E I N. Yeah, that's 0:02:57.440 --> 0:02:59.640 what I'm saying, Like E I N is the more important. 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.120 It's like one you've got to have any guys to have. 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.399 Yeah, but anyway, so one, yes, one. Let me say 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:07.000 that I have the best attorney and world. Her name 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.760 is Tony Moore. She's a sister m O r E. 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:13.799 Her business is legally chic. Follow Tony on all the socials. 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:18.200 So I didn't have an attorney like because I wouldn't 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:20.280 say so. I don't pay Tony monthly. I don't have 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:24.200 a retainer. I just hired Tony to do attorney esque things. 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.480 So in the beginning, I will say I took care 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.040 of a lot of things myself. So I trademarked a 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.840 budgetista myself. When I first trademarked, because I didn't have 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:33.880 the money, you know, and I think the trademark, I 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:35.600 think it was like two seventy five to apply. 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:37.440 I did make a mistake. 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:39.760 But I will say with trademarks, they do assign you 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:43.760 an attorney, and mine was super nice. So the trademark 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:45.840 attorney who was like assigned to my case or whatever, 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:47.680 called me. It was like, girl, what is this so 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:49.120 kind of was like, A'm I supposed to walking you 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:50.520 through this, do this, do this, do this, And I 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:51.360 was like, thank you. 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:53.080 So you can trademark yourself. 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.600 You just take your time and you could do the now, 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:57.760 I you know, I don't I just if I want something, 0:03:57.800 --> 0:03:59.760 I just said it to Tony. But I would say for 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:02.440 the I didn't start working with Tony for it's been 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:03.960 maybe three or four years. 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:05.240 I've been in business almost fifteen. 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.560 So so for the first ten years of business, I 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.120 did almost everything myself except for what I absolutely had 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.800 to get an attorney for. You know, we did a 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:17.039 lot of get that contract off Google, which I'm not 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:18.680 saying is great, but I get it because you don't 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:19.400 always have money. 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:23.640 And then what happened over time is that we replace 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:24.159 those things. 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:26.160 I'd be like, you know what, this is the year 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.479 I'm going to have Tony look at our you know, 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:29.560 our employee contracts. 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:31.440 She'd be like, girl, is this from YouTube? 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:33.680 Google up my eightys? She's like, girls, this is not 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:36.919 gonna hold up in court. I had Tony update our NDAs. 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:39.200 Then like, if I want to trademark something like I 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:43.080 trademarked dream Catchers. I trademarked the Buganiessa Molly Moore. Tony 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.599 like even recuse. I think after ten years your trademark expired. 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.440 So I didn't even know because Tony did not initially 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.600 do my trademark for Budganiessa. 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.479 I did, and I didn't know that it was expiring. 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.359 She hit me up and was like, hey, Budganiessa, Like 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.680 is it actually it did expire? I was like, wait 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.320 what she said, girl? Your trademark is floating out here 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:04.360 and win for someone to scoop it up. Do you 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.120 want me to apply for your It's like, oh my gosh, 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:09.120 so a really good attorney will look out for you holistically, 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:11.520 because Tony said for all of her, all of her, 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:14.640 the people that she works with, she keeps a list 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:16.440 of all of their trademarks in general, even if she 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.680 didn't do it, so she could just check on them, 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:21.240 which thank god, because girl, somebody could have got BUDGETIZAI. 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:21.920 Then where will we be? 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:26.120 So I so many different types of attorney and like practices, 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.560 So what yeah does Tony do like a little bit 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:30.640 of everything? And then yes, I feel like this person 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:32.520 also is like where do you find an attorney? So 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:33.680 like how did you find Tony? 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.040 So I say one of the best things ways to 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:38.600 find a business attorney is to ask other small businesses, 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:44.000 because likely that person has a similar budget to you, 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:46.720 you know, and you know it's likely to someone who 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:49.080 is like, oh okay, if you can afford them, likely 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.440 I can to. And also too, you know that you 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:53.680 know you can ask questions, have they done a good job? 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.839 Are they thorough? So Tony is very much a jack 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.320 of all trade type of attorney. But I will say 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:04.000 I also have an entertainment attorney now because you know, 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.359 after doing Netflix, I have other projects pending. 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:08.600 It was Tony herself that says. 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:10.520 I can look at the final if you want me 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:11.920 to many just to give you kind of like someone 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:15.760 behind the scenes girl asking this. But because it's very 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:19.440 nuanced that industry. I have a specific Nina Shaw attorney 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:19.800 at law. 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:20.840 She's amazing. Google her. 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:23.440 She's a fabulous black woman who was like well known 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:27.120 the entertainment industry. And that's my entertainment attorney. But then 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:30.679 I also had an attorney where when I really needed 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.799 to lean into complicated contracts. Not to say Tony can't 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:35.960 do that, she can, but I kind of was like 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:38.239 I was already, Tony is my day to day here's 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:41.040 my trademark. Take a look at this real quick. And 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:44.040 then when I have something that's really really big and important, 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:45.880 Like I said, not to say that she can't, but 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.159 because she's doing already so much, and I want to 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:51.800 prioritize that, I have sought out attorneys who do specific 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.000 things for one off, so I would say it's okay 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.080 to do things for yourself in the beginning, but I 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.280 would not negotiate. I mean, I had a friend who 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:04.760 negotiated her own book deal and god child screwed. I 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:08.760 mean didn't even make probably one third of what she 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:12.320 should have made. Because she didn't have, you know, representation, 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.360 and so there are some places it just it doesn't 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:19.480 behoove you to skimp so major contracts, you know, it's 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:22.559 it's it's so what I do is and here's the hack. 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.400 Try to get an attorney that you can get for 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.280 a lump sum instead of like this hourly like, okay, 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:29.760 I can review this and I'll charge your I was like. 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:31.960 Well, my budget's a little limited. 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:34.360 Can you just say, like, how can you give me 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.680 a flat rate for this review so that there's a 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:38.880 little more back and forth you don't have to say 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:40.640 I don't want to ask that question because it's gonna 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:43.080 So that was really helpful that it's like, okay, I'll 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:45.720 review this contract for six hundred dollars one thousand dollars 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:49.760 whatever that is. So yes, ask other people, make a 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.120 list of all the things you're needing in a potentially 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.760 an attorney for if you don't have the budget, you know, 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:58.120 there's something you could certainly do the legwork yourself to 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:00.120 to do some of those things yourself. Like honest, you 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.040 just go to the trademark website, it walks you through. 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:04.200 You know, it asked you the question. You just fill 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.560 in those things. You have to understand that when you 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:12.400 trademark though, that you're not just trademarking. Like I trademark 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:16.280 the budget Neista for a specific category, but because there's 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.920 other categories, you know, you could potentially, you know, somebody 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.800 might be able to open up a budget NIST to restaurant. 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:24.440 I don't have the trademark for that. 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.440 That's why you've seen four Seasons, the really fancy hotel, 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.040 but there's also a four Seasons garden shop. Because the 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:33.120 fancy hotel four Seasons does not own the trademark for 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.240 garden shop. That's why having an attorney help you with 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.319 that is really important. But yeah, ask questions, see if 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:41.160 you can get lump some fees, because that will save 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.400 you a lot of money and they'll save you a 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:44.280 lot of stress. 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:46.959 And honestly, I'm not gonna lie. You need to get 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:47.720 cool with your attorney. 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.440 Some of y'all like get cool with them because I 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:53.360 can ask Tony like sidebar questions. I have a friend 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:55.040 that every time they even like say the word attorney, 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.080 their attorney sends them like one hundred and fifty dollars bill. 0:08:57.520 --> 0:08:57.720 You know. 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:00.880 But I can be like Tony real quick is this 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.320 my or I can have Tony look over. I had 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:06.360 totally look over everything, Sorry, did my book agent. She's 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:07.760 listening to the girl, but you already know what it is. 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:11.200 That Like, although she negotiates my contract, my book agent, 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:13.520 I always have Tony look I'm like, is there something 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:16.199 that maybe was missed? Because Tony is my last eyes 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.760 on things like that. So I'm telling you like having 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:23.640 an attorney, you know, and making room for even if 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.360 you can't traditionally afford overall for those things that could 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:31.320 literally break your business, scrape up the coin and saved them, 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:32.840 and to pay for that service. 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.679 Yeah, from my perspective, the only attorney that I've had 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:39.800 to hire is to pursue my trademark. And the reason 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:42.760 I hired an attorney is because I found out that 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:46.360 there was already an application for my trademark Mandy Money 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:51.800 out there and it was a financial like a financial planner, 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:55.880 and we have different businesses, but anyway, she had trademarks 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.560 and he was even Mandy with a y, and I like, 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:01.400 naively thought, well, minds me with an eye and it's different, 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:06.679 you know. But my trademark attorney and her, yes, her 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.600 firm specialized as an intellectual property. I did not know 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:14.120 her before I hired her, but I was referred to 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:20.280 her through another influencer, like Delian Barrows from Delian the 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:23.440 Money Coach work with her, and I wasn't sure if 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:25.960 I needed an attorney because I, again, I know how 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:29.200 to do a trademark. I filed we did broad Ambitions 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:32.400 trademark before we did with Tony, like I was looking 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:36.400 into doing it anyhow, but it was during that first 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.120 consultation when she was like click click click, and then 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:41.280 she's like, oh, there's this Mandy. Money is actually going 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.839 to be an issue because there's I forget all the 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.719 legal leads that she used, but it's confusion in the 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.079 marketplace like they were. She's like, I can promise you 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:52.600 they're never going to approve this. So I did engage her, 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.600 and to Tiffany's point about like hourly fees, there's like 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:59.120 four people on her staff and she basically gave me 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.480 the rundown of here's my hourly rate. Of course hers 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:04.920 was the highest because she's like the boss. And then 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.280 she has like a senior attorney and then an associate, 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:09.800 then a paralegal, and you go down the line and 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:13.280 she's like we will assign casework to the appropriate person, 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:16.400 but always you know, striving to do it most economically. 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:18.880 So it was helpful to have that hourly breakdown. But 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:20.800 it wasn't even an hourly breakdown. It was like every 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.400 six minutes. It's like a build every six minutes, something 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:23.760 like that. 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:24.560 I know. 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:29.520 But she came up with a retainer. It was five 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.000 thousand dollars, So basically I put five thousand dollars on 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:36.720 hold with her because to do like A to do 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:42.439 A it's kind of like an unknown process. Either you're 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:45.679 going to be waging war trying to prove that you 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.840 were the first person to use your trademark that another 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.679 person has applied for. She just wasn't sure how much 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.520 work it was going to take. It has not ultimately 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:58.200 cost all those five thousand dollars, and I have a 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.000 good update this week is that they were able to 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:05.319 get in touch with the other Mandy Money's attorneys and 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:09.560 they've agreed to consent a consent order I had to 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:12.680 do to ye, yeah, which basically means we can both 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.280 play and we can both be Mandy Money, and we 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.600 acknowledge the other exists and it's fine. So it looks 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.240 like I'll be spending a lot less than that, But 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.280 this was too much work for me to do on 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:26.520 my own, So for me, it was worth the it 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:30.400 was worth the money. And because her firm only does 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.240 IP stuff, I felt really like I was in good hands. 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:36.600 Other than that, I feel like, honestly, the most important 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:38.200 person on the money team for a business is like 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:41.120 your accountant and your bookkeeper, you know, like that's where 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:42.679 I would focus on first. 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:44.720 And like I said, these are one off you know, 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:46.400 like you're not gonna need attorney all the time all 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.240 the time, like and sometimes there are people who do both, 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.680 like I have my my spokesperson agent, Ellie, Like that's 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:54.480 one person that I don't have Tony look at those 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.920 contracts because Ellie does such a thorough job of like 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:01.960 she's not an attorney, but she is a master spokesperson negotiator, so. 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:02.960 She does all the contracts. 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.840 So she negotiates and looks at the contract and redlines it, 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.400 so you know, there you might just know that, Like 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:13.079 to Mandy's point, you know, if something is really important, 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:15.800 like Mandy money is her name, it is critically important, 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.319 so she knew if it's going to cost it's gonna 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:21.040 cost it's worth the money, you know, and then something 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.560 lightly you're like, oh, you know, it's like I might 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:27.040 talk got myself, you know, So yeah, just keep that 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:28.440 in mind. But like I said, one of the tricks 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.200 for me to keeping those things down is negotiating not 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:33.080 every attorney's going to go for it, but negotiating a 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.920 flat rate or fee for certain things so I can 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:37.640 set a budget and say I know it won't go 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:40.920 over this, or if it is an hourly thing. Setting 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:42.360 an hourly thing was like, but it's not going to 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:42.959 go over this. 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:45.360 You know. That just helped me and I've been able 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:46.640 to negotiate that. 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:50.200 Big girl stuff. It's not fun. It's not fun sholling 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:51.679 out five d's, but I'm trying to look at the 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:55.000 long term. I want this business to last for a while. 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:56.439 I'm kind of gonna need my name. 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.280 So I mean, I had to one of my maid 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:00.600 I probably I don't know first out of the NDA, 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.520 so I won't say, but one of my major companies. 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.000 I had to do that as someone else applied for 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.760 the name, and although I was using it like definitely 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:11.400 years before you know, they got CSC. But we just 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:13.319 basically agreed it's not that serious. We'll just play both 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:14.920 play in this space. So I have a contract that 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:16.520 just say is you can use it. I can use 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:18.320 it because it's totally different. They're using it for a 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:21.080 blog and I'm using it for something else. So you 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.280 know that's always out there too. But you should at 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:25.840 the very least, there's I think it's called te let 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:28.080 me tell you what it is with trademark look up, 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:32.360 So at the very least you should be looking up 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:35.160 anything you're potentially wanted to trademark. But there's like a 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:40.840 like a lookup search so us PTO. It's called the 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:44.960 tests account right so USPTO dot gov. And you'll see 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.840 search trademark database and so you'll be able to like, 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:49.360 you know, a word search. I usually I just do 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.720 word and I just type it in the Budgeonista, Like 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.680 if you were to type into Buganista. You know you 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:58.040 should see you should see to me, like you should 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:00.920 see me budget cause I'd be crazy. 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:01.920 I'm like, wait it, what was not me? 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:06.720 Yes, Budgenisa, there is a there's a word and a mark, 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.080 you know, and so if you see actually in here 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.800 one of them says did so dead is because I 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:15.600 told you it. 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:19.800 Got canceled, girl resurrector. 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:23.920 I mean, so what the cancel lation day was twenty seventeen. 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:25.120 Can you imagine? 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:28.080 But it said like, you know, like it's a you know, 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:30.480 like it's so now it's live, so you know, thank 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:30.720 go on. 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:32.800 So even even if you want to actually, matter of fact, 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:34.400 this is a good practice for you. 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:39.400 You will see December third, twenty thirteen, I actually trademarked 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:43.040 the dollar sign B that bitcoin uses before bitcoin came out, 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:44.760 I had a trademark and if you go in and 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.880 you look up Budgenista, you will see the dollar sign B. 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:49.720 That was my logo. I don't know what to do 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:51.040 about it. I just keep it now because I'm just 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:54.320 like whatever, maybe one'll be catch it for ye so 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:56.880 like and so yeah, so now you know I still 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.000 own Buncheista, thank god. But like, yeah, i'd let it 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.080 expire in two thousand. If you look, I let expire 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.480 twenty seventeen, got it back twenty eighteen. 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:05.880 But during that whole time, I was like, oh, we 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:09.720 don't do fingers crossed. So yeah, great question. 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.960 We'll take a quick break, y'all and be right back 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:19.720 with another juicy question from the baqa. Oh right, I 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.520 guess I'll take this one or I'll read this one. 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:26.360 This comes from Nile the Nile. All right, Nile says, 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.000 I'm a new listener to your podcast. I found you 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:33.360 through Delian Barrows's Diversifying Podcasts. Shout out to Delian, and 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.280 I've been hooked ever since. I got a tip from 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.640 a coworker that one of our sister locations had their 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.120 marketing manager put in their two weeks notice, and I 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:44.520 want to apply for the job. This would be me 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:49.920 essentially jumping ahead to presitions positions. The problem is I 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:53.160 have very little experience in marketing. In fact, my major 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:57.960 was cinema studies with a minor in criminal psychology. I 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:01.600 worked alongside marketing events and social media teams, but not 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.840 enough to be a manager. I'd essentially be starting from scratch. 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:07.679 The last person was paid around one hundred K, but 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:10.120 I was wondering if it would be smart to ask 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:13.160 for eighty K, knowing that I barely have one year 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:16.240 of experience in that field to get the job. My 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:20.480 company encourages upward mobility, and my boss is on board 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:24.080 with me following my bliss, so I thankfully have no 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:28.200 roadblocks in that respect, I want to apply regardless. That way, 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.240 I can at least be told what I need to 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.120 be a good candidate in the future. But with shooting 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:36.000 lower better my chance to getting the job in general, 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:37.879 then maybe I could work my way up to that 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:42.439 six figure paycheck. Any advice you financially fabulous aunties can 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:44.960 provide would be so helpful, even if I have to 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:46.720 have a glass of wine in a notebook beside me 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:51.040 while I listen. Sincerely, nile ooh man, I thought you 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:51.880 were Auntie. 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:54.840 No, don't do that, which twenty five year old self. 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:02.720 Only I'm actually thirty, so I could be here, Auntie. 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:02.920 I have to see it. 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:07.360 I don't is that financially fabulous rich. 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:09.000 I'll tell you the girl. I'll be honest because I'm 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:10.520 a real Auntie in real life. So whatnot. 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:15.640 I've been called first. It is interesting only twenty five 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.199 jumping to positions. I mean, I think it's great that 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:20.480 you even understand that you know when the last person 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:22.480 was paid. I think that tells me that you're like 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:27.679 asking questions. I wouldn't actually give them a number. This 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:29.520 is like an internal move for you. It's at the 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:32.159 same company, so I would just go through the interview 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:33.960 process and see what kind of offer they give you. 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:37.399 I would not give them a number, and I'm going 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:40.119 to assume you know, for you it'd probably be a 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.719