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Today, 33 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: in a few minutes, Matt Moore, Action Networks Award winning 34 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: senior analyst covering the NBA, is going to join us, 35 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: one of the original bloggers about NBA analytics that he 36 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: has evolved into a massive column one of the best 37 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: sourced reporters in the NBA. He's gonna be joined by 38 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: Jason timp Coast of the Lakers Tonight podcast, which is 39 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: a new member of the Volume family, and no one's 40 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: ever done badly talking about the Lakers in any forum whatsoever. 41 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: If you said to me, hey, chat, what is your 42 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: friend Colin Coward going to talk about during the NFL offseason, 43 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: I would say, he's going to talk about the draft, 44 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: NFL draft, NFL free agency, and he's gonna talk about 45 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Lakers. Even if the Lakers are out 46 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: of the playoffs, he's gonna be talking about what do 47 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: the Lakers have to do to get back into the 48 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: playoffs next year? So we're gonna be glad to have Jason. 49 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: But first, enough of my jibber jabber. Simon Hunter is 50 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: on a world tour and for people who might see 51 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: these videos or see what we're doing on the YouTube 52 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: Action Network, check it out. He's sitting on a freaking 53 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: balcony in Mexico, a week after he was in Cuba. 54 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: What the freak, dude, professional, better explain yourself, Coloma stash Chat. 55 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: I've been all over Chat. I'm a little worn out 56 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: from the sun. People probably think I've been drinking. I'm not. 57 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: I'm so Ryan burned to a crisp because I'm a 58 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: British white guy on the equator, so I put sunscreen on, 59 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: but I still got burned. It's great, buddy, I mean, 60 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: life is good. I tell people all the time. If 61 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: you can go four no on sides and totals in 62 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: the super Bowl and go four and one on your 63 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: best prof bets, you too can travel the world for 64 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: three to four weeks. So that's that's all it takes 65 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: in life. Yet, but I always tell you chat my 66 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: goal in life is to fail up to success. And 67 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: boy am I failing down here hitting on Argentinian and 68 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: Brazilian women. I'm trying my best, buddy, but i keep 69 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: striking up. I guess what, I got a lot more 70 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: weeks down here, so eventually my hit a home run. Hopefully, 71 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: explain to me what's going on. Happened? We recorded our 72 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: last podcast a week ago Monday. So you said to 73 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: me and Matt Mitchell, Hey, I'm going to be going 74 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: on vacation, but I'll still be around for the podcast. 75 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: But you like, we're secretive about where you were going 76 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: or how long you'd be gone. And I'm like, all right, 77 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to Cleveland, so have fun. And yet last 78 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: week you were aware I did. I did stop off 79 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: in Cuba, but I mean that's like a long, long story. Well, 80 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: and then I just went there for a couple of coffee. 81 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: I did like a night there, then flew out of 82 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: Havana to where I'm at right now, at Cosumo, the 83 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: island off the coast of Mexico. It's their biggest island. 84 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: So it's the Caribbean's by like Cancoon, It's it's it's 85 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: Mexico's version of Madi Gras, which is like pretty wild. 86 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: So it pretty much starts in like two days and 87 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: it goes for a week here. So it's exactly what 88 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: you think it is, like New Orleans, but it's the 89 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: Mexican version, so a lot more tequila, a lot more 90 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: beautiful women from South America, and uh, let's fat Americans. 91 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: So I gotta tell your joll it's the good life 92 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: down here. I mean it's it's grey. Is how beautiful 93 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: this place is? And how long are you staying there for? 94 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to go to Costa Rica, um, but I 95 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: don't want to leave this place now that I'm here 96 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: because it's so sweet. So I'm either going to Costa 97 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: Rica next week or the week after or I'll come 98 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: back to America and start doing like draft prep in 99 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,799 Speaker 1: like a week or two. But I'm in no rush, 100 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: Like I'm definitely gonna be dining for the next two weeks. 101 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: Matt Mitchell, you're working on a fucking basement in Milwaukee. 102 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: I'm working on the third floor and fucking Hertford, Connecticut. 103 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: And this guy he's just living in Mexico for three weeks. Yeah, 104 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: school's close today in Milwaukee for an ice storm. But 105 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: Simon's busy gal vending around on the equator. I hope 106 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: he's having the time of his life. He's having fun 107 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: for all three of us. Chad, he deserves it. You 108 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: know what, Thank you. It was a long season. It 109 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: was a long season. You did great. We crushed the 110 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 1: super Bowl, we crushed the playoffs. As we discussed now, Simon, 111 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: because I know what your heart. You are a gambler, 112 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: and I know that whenever we have guests on the podcast, 113 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: I know that you read everything on the Action Network. 114 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: I know that you look at the app every day, 115 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: so I know that you are always making bets outside 116 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: of the NFL. So we're gonna have a big reset 117 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,239 Speaker 1: the conversation for the second half of the NBA season 118 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: with our very good buddy Matt Moore with our new 119 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: friend Jason timf Fellas. Matt, Good to see you. How 120 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: are you doing well? Man? I managed to uh avoid 121 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: Cleveland this time. UM. Love All Star weekends, but did 122 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: not think that this was necessarily the best the best 123 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: one to go to for for various reasons. But glad 124 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: this season has been really, really fascinating. I think that 125 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: the I don't remember a time when there's been this 126 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: much up in the air as we leave All Star 127 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: break in terms of where the value is at for 128 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: the title for m v P. There's just like a 129 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: lot of stuff on the board. So it's gonna be 130 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: a fun second half of the season to talk about. 131 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: Jason uh host of the Lakers to Night podcast, new 132 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: member the Volume Network. Who the hell are you? Where 133 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: do you come from? Why do you have a podcast? 134 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: And why all of a sudden is Colin Cowherd putting 135 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: it on his network other than the fact it's a 136 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: Lakers podcast. Well, I'm pretty close to Mr Simon. I'm 137 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: in Tucson, Arizona, so I'm I could hop in a 138 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: car and be down there relatively soon. Um, that said, 139 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: I wish I was in Mexico. UM, I appreciate you 140 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: guys having me on. First of all, thank you so much. UM. 141 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: To be honest, Twitter started is just like an outlet 142 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: for me to talk about basketball because my wife and 143 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: all my friends weren't really all that into it. And 144 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: then that kind of spawned into a podcast, and really 145 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: what took off for us was postgame coverage. There just 146 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of options for immediately after a game 147 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: to get analysis of games, and so that was kind 148 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: of our little niche that we found. You know, the 149 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: guys at the volume, they're a huge believer and you know, 150 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: always on and being it being you know, the instant 151 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: reaction that's on all platforms, and so that was kind 152 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: of the target that I went after, was instant reactions, 153 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: quick videos. Even if I didn't have time for a podcast, 154 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: I try to record something quick on my phone and 155 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: just trying to stay you know, the first analysis that 156 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: was out there. That was kind of what allowed us 157 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: to find our little foothole. But the gist of it, 158 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, my goals with the show or to cover 159 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: the whole leak Lakers Tonight is a pathway towards that that, 160 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: you know, kind of had two Lakers focus, but that 161 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: is the end game is to eventually provide that deep 162 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: dive into the entire NBA. All right, well, look there's 163 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: a lot of NBA to discuss on. Massive NBA fan, Matt. 164 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: I was in Cleveland, arrived just before a blizzard on 165 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: Thursday night. It lasted deep into Friday, canceled. My poor 166 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: kid who was going to join me a Saturday and 167 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: then Sunday. His flights on both days were canceled. Getting 168 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: into Cleveland to attend the festivities those nights, uh so, 169 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: definitely was a challenge weatherwise. But for this conversation, I 170 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: do think the way they do the All Star Game 171 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: now is amazing and that fourth quarter is phenomenal. Is 172 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: the best pickup basketball you'll ever see. And Lebron James 173 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: scored the game winning shot. So they are I think 174 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: that the Lakers heading into the All Star break were 175 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: ninth in the Western Conference, they would be in a 176 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: playing game. They have to win two games. Jason, you're 177 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: the Lakers expert. Is this a team that like can 178 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: get there? Is this a team that they didn't make 179 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,359 Speaker 1: a move at the All Star at the trade deadline? Um. 180 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: Lebron very specifically said he thought Sam Presty was the 181 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: m v P of the Oklahoma City Thunder because of 182 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: moves they've made and drafts they've done. He wore a 183 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: are he commented on less needs uh funk the pics 184 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: T shirt from the Rams because they went all in 185 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: with the Lakers mindset. Right now, aren't we buying the Lakers? 186 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: It's a total ship show, for lack of a better term, 187 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: when you end up this far below five hundred Lebron 188 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: James and Anthony Davis on your team, it's impossible to 189 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: look at one specific thing. So it would take me 190 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: a half hour to break down all the different ways 191 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: that this goes That this went wrong the easiest and 192 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: simplest way that I could describe it, And it's been 193 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: a lesson for me as a basketball fan and as 194 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: a basketball analyst to to learn this season, but just 195 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: important it is, especially in the modern NBA without spaced 196 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: out the game, is for you to have role players 197 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: who can keep people in front, especially on the perimeter, 198 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: and that are willing to do the dirty work. And 199 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: I vastly, grossly underestimated that coming into the season because 200 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: I didn't love the off season at all, hated the 201 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: Russ steal. I was begging for them to sign a 202 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: bigger wing. I thought it was asinine that they thought 203 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: Trevor Ariza and Carmel and Anthony were enough for them 204 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: on the wing to cover for all of the roles 205 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: that you know, Kyle Kuzman, Alex Crusoe and KCP filled. 206 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: But that said, I was like, Hey, we got Lebron 207 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: in a d and these two when they're on the 208 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: floor and they can finish a game together. In the 209 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: previous two season one nearly eighty percent of their games, 210 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: they were a devastating duo. And it's gotten so bad 211 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: that this year's Lakers team with Lebron James and Anthony 212 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: Davis on the floor has performed worse by net raving 213 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: than last year's Lakers team did with Lebron and Anthony 214 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: Davis off the floor. And so it's been a great 215 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: wake up call for like kind of a shift the 216 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: league is taking away from, you know, how dominant star 217 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: power can be. And I've learned a lot in the 218 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: in the process that said, simply put, they do not 219 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: have enough talent to win this year. Even if Lebron 220 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: and Anthony Davis play at the absolute peak of their games, 221 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: so they would have to hit an absolute home run 222 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: in the buyout market, or some sort of weird late 223 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: season leap from th h T or something along those 224 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: lines to have any chance. And so I think that 225 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: is why it's turned into such a passive, aggressive media 226 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: fist fight. Is I think they see the riding on 227 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: the wall and they know this thing, this particular season 228 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: is pretty much over and I wouldn't even be surprised 229 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: if it gets worse here over the course of the 230 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: next month, a couple of bad losses until you start 231 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: seeing some quit show up. I'm very pessimistic about how 232 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: the next couple of months are going to go on 233 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:48,599 Speaker 1: that front. All Right, Matt Moore, I want you to 234 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: respond to Jason on the Lakers, who are by the 235 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: way at forty one to win the NBA title. But 236 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: we're also gonna say we spend too much time talking 237 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: about out a team at one. Is there a Phoenix 238 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: Suns like team out there? So I think here's the 239 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 1: reason that I'm not completely out on the Lakers. Um, 240 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: I'm not saying like, look, if you're like, I'm gonna 241 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: put a big bet in I NBA team to win 242 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: the title. I don't think that the Lakers are in 243 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: the top eight options at forty two to one. If 244 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: you're like, I want to take a flyer, I will 245 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: say this, They're gonna be in the plan. The record 246 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: is good enough, they're good. They're gonna make the plan, 247 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: and then they'll face a Clippers team that may have 248 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard may not. Tyler said it probably not may 249 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: have what Paul George. But if Kauai is not coming 250 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: back and not they win that one, they're in the 251 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: seventh spot. Let's say the Warriors hold on and they 252 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: get the two seeds. Okay, this is the Warriors are 253 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: better this year, no question, there are a lot better 254 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: than they were last year. This is still fundamentally the 255 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: same core Andrew wigg and Steph Curry, Draymond Green that 256 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: the Lakers beat last year. In the plan. They beat 257 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: them last year. They have the size to counter them. 258 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: Anthony Davis is a problem for Draymond Green. All right, 259 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: get through the two seeds. Okay, now you're taking on 260 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: the Memphis Grizzlies, inexperienced team, not well built for a 261 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: playoff run. There in that spot, then you got the Sons, 262 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: who basically it all comes down to, is Chris Paul 263 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: going to be healthy? Like that's a lot of it. 264 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: The Sons are a step ahead of everybody, like they 265 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: by any sort of analysis based off of making the 266 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: finals last year, being playoff proven, and then how they 267 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: perform this year, the Sons are a step ahead. But 268 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: if Chris Paul is not healthy at age thirty eight, 269 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 1: then I think there is a window here for them 270 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: to get knocked off. And if the Lakers have that 271 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: sequence happened for them, which is pretty reasonable, there's a 272 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: doorway here. The problem is Lebron's comments this weekend are 273 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: like that's disastrous because that's basically Lebron like setting up. 274 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: It's not my fault, y'all did this. I'm out, And 275 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: like that's concerning on a number of levels, this has 276 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: been like building. There's just like a lot of conversation 277 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: in the league circles about tension within the Lakers, about 278 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: tension between Clutch and the front office and the ownership group. 279 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: It's bad, So I can't feel good about it. If 280 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: you're asking about who in the in the league has 281 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: like the best value in terms of winning the NBA 282 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: title that can make that kind of a run. I 283 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: don't think it's anybody that's like outside of the realm 284 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: of experience. I think you look at a team like 285 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: the Suns were there last year, they have to be 286 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: the least that good to make a Son's type run. 287 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: And I think that there's a lot of options for 288 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: teams that can make that run. But I still look 289 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: at the Milwaukee Bucks at plus six fifty, defending champion 290 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: Brook Lopez. They still feel like he's gonna get back 291 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: in March. They've proven how they match up versus various teams. 292 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: They've proven they can beat the Suns to meet. Milwaukee 293 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: still the best value on the board at plus six fifty, 294 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: but I can make it an argument for a bunch 295 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: of teams, which is why I think a lot of 296 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: it's gonna come down to what do the seatings look like? 297 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: What does the Brackett look like? When we actually get 298 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: to April. Simon, I know you want to jump in 299 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: because you have m v P questions. I have a 300 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: follow up for um, Matt and Jason if you want 301 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: to happen here too. Uh, it's interesting you say the 302 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: Bucks to me plus six fifties. So right now, the 303 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: Suns are the Sons and the Warriors are both about 304 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: plus four ten. The Nets are plus six plus six hundred, 305 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: the Bucks plus six fifty. Then the Sixers right behind 306 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: that plus seven hundred. So you look at the deal 307 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: that uh Daryl Morey made for James Harden, and you 308 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: don't think this makes the Sixers a prohibitive favorite coming 309 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: out of the East, ahead of the Nets or ahead 310 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: of the Bucks. No, you know, I think one we 311 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: have to do which level, which hardened we get out 312 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: of this? Right? Do we get the two thousand and 313 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: nineteen Harden for Houston that was one of the best players, 314 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: best offensive players we've ever seen in the NBA. Do 315 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: we get the version last year who had some injury 316 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: issues but we're still pretty good as a complementary player. 317 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: Do we get the Strip Club bouncing good time having 318 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: James Harden of this season, who's still had a hamstring 319 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: problem for almost over a year. Which version are we 320 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: gonna get a Harden? And I don't have a lot 321 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: of confidence, especially with the miles that are on hardened. 322 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: I think that that's a real concern. I think losing 323 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: Seth Curry is going to hurt them more than they realize. 324 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: They need a secondary ball handler, somebody else who can 325 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: create I like Tyres Maxie. The other thing is, when 326 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: you look at it, there's a bunch of I think 327 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: issues with the Sixers and how they match up with 328 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: teams with Miami, how they match up with teams like Milwaukee, 329 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: how they match up with various teams. There's a path 330 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: for the Sixers, I think, but we've also got a 331 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: combination of doc Rivers with multiple three one collapses, Joel 332 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: and Beach still can't handle a double team in the playoffs, 333 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: and James Harden's guy's own history of playoff collapses. So 334 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: I can't buy in on the Sixers. I still like 335 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: the Bucks a lot in that matchup, despite the sixers 336 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: big win before the All Star break, though, Sorry, you 337 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: would agree, Matt, that's that's the best move they could 338 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: have made for Ben's with Ben Simmons like, oh yeah, 339 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: there's no there's no other piece out there that fits 340 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: what we need, which is again, sorry, people, I don't 341 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: mean to say we've I am a Sixers fan. We're horrible. 342 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: Every year we choke in the second round. I do 343 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: not like James Harden at all like style of play. 344 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: It's it's seriously one of my biggest atterns in NBA. 345 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: Like as a fan, I just don't like his style. 346 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: But as a Sixers fan, I just took a zero, 347 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: which what Ben Simmons was, this man was literally a 348 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: zero and I turned into James Harden, which he is 349 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: got the miles, he's run down, but I don't know, man, 350 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: if he can pull up and hit threes for us 351 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: in the playoffs with Joel and beat what you talked about, 352 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: no player gets doubled more in the n b A. 353 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: I just think this is a really this is a 354 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: sleeper team, like this is our we have too bias, 355 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 1: we have NAXI like this is the best the Sixers 356 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: are gonna have surrounding and Joel and be in my 357 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: opinion because I feel like, you know, we're not gonna 358 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: at a Ford a good team going forward because we 359 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: have all these guys paid out, which I know this 360 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: is last year for the bias, but this is really 361 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: it for me as a Sixers fan. This feels like 362 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: this is the only year that we can win a championship. 363 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: Like it's just us in the bucks. It feels like 364 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: no one else, I don't trust the nuts. I just look, 365 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: I wonder where your view is on the Sixers team, Like, 366 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:56,239 Speaker 1: I know you said you don't think they can do it, 367 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: but for a matchup wise, this is as good as 368 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: it can get for the Sixers team. Yeah, I mean, 369 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: I think one thing I wrote after the trade was, 370 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: don't ever doubt Darryl Morey again. Ever, everyone needs be 371 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: done doubting Darryl Morey. Darryl Morey runs the game, Darryl 372 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: Morey for months, and we reported on this action. I 373 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: reported on four different deals that they had turned down 374 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,959 Speaker 1: of multiple picks they offered. They when Toronto said, hey, 375 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: we're interested in Ben Simmons, they said, okay, we want 376 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: Fred Vanvley, Pascal Siakam, your fourth overall pick, and two 377 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: more picks on top of that, and like straight faced, 378 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: and everyone around the league was like, what is Darryl doing. 379 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: There's no way he's gonna get returned, There's no way. 380 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: And what does Darryl Morey do? He walks away with 381 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: a former m v P. So it's a great deal. 382 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: I will challenge you on this though. I will say this, 383 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: he said that this is the best that they're gonna 384 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: have wait till this summer. Like, I think next year 385 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: that's gonna be the time to bet the Sixers give 386 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: more a summer to be like, all right, I got Hardened, 387 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: I've got MBI. Let me move to bias, let me reconfigure, 388 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: get some more spacing, because right now this team is 389 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: really low on three point shooting. Harden makes up for 390 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: a lot of it, but it's all off the bounce, right. 391 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: I think when you look at what they're gonna need 392 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: to space around Hardened and mdeed, they need one more guide. 393 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: They don't have it there. Three point rate is still 394 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: low this season. We'll see what it looks like after Harden. 395 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: I'm open to being wrong, but I can't get there 396 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 1: yet with this team. But I do think the summer 397 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be definitely looking at sex recitle features. 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You here's what I love about 425 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: the NBA. The drama is so high school, and it's 426 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: so and it's so like something every fan connects to. 427 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: There's a difference in the way NFL fans talk about 428 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: the NFL and the drama in the NFL and the 429 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: way NBA fans talk about it. NBA fans love it, 430 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: they absorb it, they want to talk about it, they 431 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: get excited about it. It's sort of tickles them a 432 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: little bit. Right. Then the NFL people get mad about 433 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: the drama they have, like they get piste off. It 434 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: gets political. NBA. It's like, does Lebron hate MJ? Does 435 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: MJ hate Lebron because they didn't adapt at the anniversary 436 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: gathering the players, Jason Tim, give us your take on 437 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: Lebron and MJ. Well, first of all, really quickly, I 438 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: I hate the drama in the NBA. It's funny because 439 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: I was actually joking around some of the guys from 440 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: the volume this morning, like like this last couple of 441 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: weeks for me has been wild because it's been so 442 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: much drama, um and I got into this for the basketball, 443 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: and I cannot wait for things to kind of switch 444 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,479 Speaker 1: back to the basketball because that's why I do this, 445 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: you know. And and if there's one silver lining and 446 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: the Lakers getting eliminated early, it will be that. But 447 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: but as far as the Lebron and MJ thing, I 448 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: actually was talking about this with some people on Twitter 449 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: this morning. I think I think the biggest thing working 450 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: against Lebron is MJ's cool factor. You know. It's like 451 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: it's like the difference between being one of the Avengers 452 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: and being fanos. Like MJ was so dominant relative to 453 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: his peers that there's like an aura that surrounds him 454 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: like a mystique, and he like he he almost seems 455 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 1: like a superhero. Whereas Lebron, while being very clearly the 456 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: best player of his era and there is a decent 457 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: size gap between him and the next guy, it's at 458 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: least like you can have a conversation like Warrior fans 459 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: will look at with the straight face and be like, 460 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 1: I think Steph was better, you know, Like Katie fans 461 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: will look at you in a straight face and say 462 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: the same thing about Katie. No one was saying that 463 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: about MJ and that mystique and aura I think will 464 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: always hurt Lebron in the court of public opinion. That said, 465 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: Lebron's case, it's a case of variety and longevity. So 466 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: like you know, MJA one the same way every time. 467 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: And one of the things you can point to in 468 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: Lebron's career is that throughout his career from the beginning 469 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: with Larry Hughes and with Dezdrinasalgaloskis too, you know, Moe 470 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: Williams and Delante West, to the Heatles to the you know, 471 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love partnership, to then after Kyrie 472 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: left two then they even had a winning record with Brandon, 473 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 1: with Brandon, Ingram and Kuzman, all of them while Lebron 474 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: was on the floor, to then the Anthony Davis partnership. 475 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: Like you've seen so many different archetypes, archetypes of him too, 476 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: as like you know, a swing forward to like this 477 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: point forward to a guy who's played smallball center to 478 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: a guy that can play point guard literally like he 479 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: did for the Lakers. There's just there is no player 480 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: in NBA history that has as unassailable of a winning 481 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: resume in the sense that I could take any group 482 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: of basketball players and put him with them, and he'll 483 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: find a way to impact winning with that group. That's 484 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: gonna be his case. MG's case will always be dominance, 485 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: and Lebron will never ever be able to touch that 486 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: level of dominance. Like six titles in eight years. That's 487 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: just if we saw something like that today, we wouldn't 488 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: even know how to comprehend it. Like even if Janice 489 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: ended up way better than every we can't even imagine 490 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: Janice doing that. Like it's just it's that's the where 491 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: the mystique and the aura comes from, and I don't 492 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: think Lebron will ever be able to overcome that element 493 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: of it at this point in the season. You know, 494 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: as we're sitting here, it sounds like everything's just wide open. 495 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: I know, Joel, a lot of people have been in MVP. 496 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: Do you guys have favorites, Like when you look at 497 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: Vandal that you think there's value of being slept on 498 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: a couple of long shots where you know a couple 499 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: of these teams make a run. It feels like it's 500 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: kind of anyones to grab when we know how they 501 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: always want to give it to the new guys. So 502 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: it definitely feels interesting look at this and be pless, 503 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: like what do you thinking here, Matt. I spent more 504 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: time on M v P than I do on anything 505 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: else in my career. That's like the number one thing 506 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: that I've I've spent time on. UM. I thought it, 507 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: I got, I got to finally got to vote on 508 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: it once in thousand seventeen and it was amazing, and 509 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: I voted for hard in that year. I do a 510 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: lot of work on it. I will go through and 511 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: starting in March, and I'll watch every single possession of 512 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: these guys on both ends of the floor. I think 513 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 1: for value, I get to Nicole Yogi at plus two seventy. 514 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: I think Johanna is the plus three nine. And it 515 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: sounds like I'm a sixers hater, and I get that. 516 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: A lot of this is if you look at the 517 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: gap statistically with Janice and Yokich and then what they've 518 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: done for their teams and how good they are on 519 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: both sides of the floor versus m Beat and then 520 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: and Beat only being two games up in the lost 521 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: column on the Nuggets, I think a game up on 522 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: the Bucks. To me, there's just enough variants there to 523 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: where I do I think that the Nuggets commended with 524 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: a better record. Yeah, the Nuggets have the twenty three 525 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 1: easiest schedule the rest of the way, so they've got 526 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: a real opportunity, especially getting Jamal Murray back, for them 527 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: to make the kind of run. Tim Bontemps did an 528 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: m and strawhole for m v P last week disclosure. 529 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: I was one of the media members pulled for that, 530 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: and he he asked, you know, for the ballot, and 531 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: Yogas came away with only three fewer first place votes. 532 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: And that's despite everything that's gone wrong for the Nuggets 533 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: of season, no Jamal Murray the whole year, and losing 534 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: MPJ within the first ten days of the season, then 535 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: losing PJ Dozer, who was a real valuable role player 536 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: for them, having the worst bench in the league for 537 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: basically three months, and we're still at this point, and 538 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 1: I just feel like there's this I don't think voters 539 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 1: want to vote for Yoki. I really don't, but I 540 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: do think eventually when you factor in also, and I 541 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: hate to say this, but beats injury history is always 542 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 1: gonna be a factor that's always gonna make me nervous, 543 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: So eventually I do wind up thinking that yoga has value. 544 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: I will say this though, like if you really want 545 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: to know the key like point to get in on it. 546 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 1: The Nuggets and the Sexes are gonna play a game 547 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: in March. They're gonna play one more game, and if 548 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: both players are healthy and they go into that game, 549 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: the winner of that game I think secures m v 550 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: P outright. I'm not even kidding. Even if the Nuggets 551 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: finished with a better record, I could see if it's 552 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: within a game or two, and but Joel drops forty 553 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: two on Joker, I think that the NBA winds up 554 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,719 Speaker 1: winds up winning the MVP. That's how big I think 555 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: that game is. It shouldn't be, I want to be 556 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: very clear on this. Head to head matchup should not 557 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: be how we determine these things. But I do think 558 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: that's gonna sway enough voters. So if you want wait 559 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: for that game and see what the outcome of that 560 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: game is, and if Joker comes out and throws a 561 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: triple double and a win, or if in Beat comes 562 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 1: out and drops forty two, which in bad seems much 563 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: more likely to get up for that game. I think 564 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 1: it'll be still be good value. I still still think 565 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: you'll get and be a good number relative to what 566 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: his odds of winning will be after that game. Here's 567 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: what's amazing. Lebron is having one of the best years 568 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: he's ever had, and he's not even a part of 569 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: the m v P conversation in any way at all. 570 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 1: Like his odds right now, a hundred and fifty two 571 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: one Lebron to win the MVP, right and Matt, It's funny, 572 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: I didn't realize you were part of that strop. My 573 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: kid and I were watching before the All Star break happened. 574 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: We're watching the Bulls King's game and it was another 575 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: game where Demard Rosen, you know, went over to thirty 576 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: five points and is on this epic streak of thirty 577 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: five point shooting what no one's ever done it h 578 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: straight games, nine straight games, whatever, And we're debating who 579 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: should be higher for m v P odds, DeMar or 580 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: John morand de Mars twenty jas at twelve, and my 581 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: kid looks at me and he goes dead. It's about 582 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: the narrative. I'm like, dude, you don't read anything longer 583 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: than a TikTok caption. How you know what the word 584 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: narrative means. But to my point, like earlier, that's what 585 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: makes the NBA so great is like people are so 586 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: invested in the storylines in the drama. I think it's 587 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: a tragedy and a travesty of justice. Matt Moore that 588 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: the Bulls could end up as the number one seed 589 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference, and you're telling me that Demard 590 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: Rose is not even gonna be a part of the 591 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: conversation for m VP, will not be top three, will 592 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: not finish top three. Um, A lot of this gets 593 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: into like, here's what crazy. I think he will get 594 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: some I think he will legitimately get some votes. I 595 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: I'll say this, this year is shaping up to be 596 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: a real outlier, and I'm debating how much to throw 597 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: out kind of the work that we've done on trying 598 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,959 Speaker 1: to establish precedents this year. So, like I mentioned, typically 599 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: when I've looked, I went back and looked at this 600 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: two years ago during the hiatus when we were stuck 601 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: on COVID going into the lebron Your honest debate about 602 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: how often does this everyone this is the vote split? 603 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: It never does. It almost never does. One player usually 604 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: gets eight percent to nine of the total available votes. 605 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: It's crazy how much they get, Like they get a 606 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: huge percentage of the votes whenever they win. Most of 607 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: the media tends to coalesce around one guy, and I 608 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,719 Speaker 1: don't know that's going to happen this year. I think 609 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: there is gonna get some votes because people will look 610 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: at the game winners and the thirty point performance. I'll 611 00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: say this, um, I think a lot of it with 612 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: Chicago when you look at the overall UH, the voting 613 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: blockcast changed, Like narrative matters. But if narrative was the 614 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: only thing that matters, I think that the conversation would 615 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: be like Joel versus DeMar. But that's would be the 616 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: conversation right now. But the voting block has changed. You 617 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: have more analysts, you have more staff guys, you have 618 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: greater emphasis on knowing your stuff. For a lot of this, 619 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: the voting block has changed. I think the one of 620 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: the issues is just that the mar doesn't stack up 621 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: numbers wise with these guys. He just doesn't. And maybe 622 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: that's not fair. I'm open to that. But the exact 623 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: Levine's presence on that team and how good he's been. 624 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: I think you look at the overall performance of the Bulls, 625 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: They've just had so many injuries and that's a big 626 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: reason why. But they have kind of tailed off after 627 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: extremely hot start. It's just that everyone else is kind 628 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: of tailed off with them. I think the Maar is 629 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: having an amazing season. He's gonna finish top five and 630 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: m v P. If we could bet on over under 631 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: for m VP finish, I would take him over job. 632 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: But I do think that there's too many things going 633 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: against him for him to outdo Joel Joker or Janice 634 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Mason. So I think 635 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: there's a base set of rules that everyone uses to 636 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: evaluate who they think is the m v P, and 637 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: that obviously is different for everybody. We don't have to 638 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: dig too much into that, however, one of I think 639 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: one consistent criteria across the board is we want our 640 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: MVP to be someone who's considered in the conversation for 641 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: best player in the league. I think that's a big 642 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: part of why CP three and Devin Booker haven't gotten 643 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: a lot of buzz in this department. You know. Uh, 644 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: it's like we're looking at who's the best player on 645 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: the best team. That's always a big part of it. 646 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: You know, who's playing the best is always a big 647 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: part of it. But then that third factor is usually 648 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: like if we were picking teams, like who's the first pick? 649 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: You know, are you in the conversation to be one 650 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: of those first picks? And that's why you're gonna land 651 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: on the Yokiches, the Embides, and the Curries as opposed 652 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: to you know, these non traditional candidates that are on 653 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: the board. That's why you're not seeing any buzz for 654 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: those guys. I mean, my I keep an eye on 655 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: Steph Curry because he kind of fits a traditional m 656 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: VP candidacy in the sense that he is the best 657 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: player on a legitimate you know, near the top seed, 658 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: and he really is one strong month, like a really 659 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: good shooting month, from undoing some of the statistical damage 660 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: that has taken him out of the conversation. But the 661 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: reality of the situation is is like he is absolutely 662 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: in the conversation for best player in the world. He 663 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: absolutely is the best player on the second best team 664 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: in the league right now. He fits all of the 665 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: criteria except for that statistical element, and so at plus 666 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: twelve hundred, if the dude gets hot shoots fifty from 667 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: three on fourteen attempts for twenty games, then why is 668 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: he not if he finishes at you know, twenty seven 669 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: points per game and right around from three, he just 670 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: fits all of those traditional boxes. That said, I think, 671 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: Eileen Embid, I think, you know, one of the biggest 672 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: things people want to point to the Denver Nuggets is 673 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: being close to them in the standings and thus kind 674 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: of lobbing more you know, uh energy towards yr Kich. 675 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: And I think people aren't factoring in enough how tough 676 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,959 Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference is. You know, you play fifty two 677 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: of your eight two games against your own conference in 678 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference is much tougher top to bottom this 679 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: year than the West is in a way that hasn't 680 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: been the case in previous seasons. And so for the 681 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: for the Sixers to be where they're at with how 682 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,719 Speaker 1: much talent they had on their roster, I think it's 683 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: extremely impressive. So Leen yokis right now. My value bet 684 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: would be staff all right, this is good actionable intel 685 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: STEPH twelve to one Janice plus three two longer shot 686 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: bets for m v P out of the Yokich em 687 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: Bead conversation, Matt Moore coming out of nowhere bypassing the sixers, 688 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: bypassing the nets, basically saying, the best long shot bet 689 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: right now to win the NBA title could be the 690 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: Milwaukee Bucks to repeat at about plus six fifty. Very 691 00:33:54,560 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: important note. If you need more basketball betting in tell 692 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: go listen to Buckets, Go download buckets. Listen to Matt Moore, 693 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: Listen to Raheem Palmer, listened to Brandon Anderson, Listen to 694 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: Dan Titus. The m v P conversation they will have 695 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: over the next three months will be the best m 696 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: v P conversation that anybody is having. It will be 697 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: so interesting about the voting blocks, about the narrative, about 698 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: the changing face of the voters, about how the conversation 699 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: has had for who win m VP. It's fantastic. All 700 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: things Lakers. 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