1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Didty Bucks Sean Combs busted 2 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: paying one hundred thousand dollars to illegally obtain that Cassie 3 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: beat down video from the Intercontinental rent Row. I'm Nancy Grace, 4 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us 5 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: all the horror stories. 6 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 2: Fully testimony with. 7 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: Her one assistant having go to the hospital working for 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: Ditty was making her go bald. She was losing her hair. 9 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 3: He is beating the living crap out of your daughter. 10 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 3: Did he had three guns across his lap? I don't 11 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 3: like this back and forth. 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: I prefer guns bombshell in the courtroom. In the last hours, 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: it's revealed that Sean Combs aka Ditty allegedly paid off 14 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: an employee to the tune of one hundred thousand dollars 15 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: to get that Cassie Ventura video. Let's take a look 16 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: at the Cassie Ventura beat down video. Now, it was 17 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: speculated upon so much in the press. Where did the 18 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: video come from? Did it come from the raid on? 19 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: Did he's mansion? Did he have it there? Where did 20 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: it come from? Wow? You wonder why he paid one 21 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: hundred thousand our dollars for this? Did he think it 22 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: would never come to light. Busted in court sworn testimony 23 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: that Shawn Holmes paid one hundred thousand dollars to get 24 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: his mits on this video. Look at it. I want 25 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: to see more of the Cassie video. This is the 26 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: video that cracked this case wide open. Cassie Ventura used 27 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: this to sue Sean Comes. Within twenty four hours, when 28 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: he realized she had oh this, he settled and then 29 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: released his scraping apology video. Now this goes on. He 30 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: drags her off and nothing but a tiwl. So arrogant 31 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: he thinks that's okay to run around a paush hotel 32 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: like the Inner Continental and nothing but a towel. Thank Heaven, 33 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: I didn't have to see that towel drop and see 34 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: the TUTSI roll. But that said, it goes on. But 35 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 1: this video was used in her civil lawsuit. And this 36 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: video was like pulling the tiger by the tail. You 37 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: can't hold on and you can't let go. Because once 38 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: the Feds saw this, they had to do something. The 39 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: statute of limitations had run in the local jurisdiction, so 40 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: it was up to the Feds, and what were they 41 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: gonna do? Stand there with their thumb up their ear end. No, 42 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: they had to act. Therefore, the multi count federal indictment. 43 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: No wondering. He paid one hundred grand to get his 44 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: mits on it, joining me an all star panel, but 45 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: first trate out to Sydney Sumner Crime Stories investigative reporter 46 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: who has been on the case from the very beginning. 47 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner one hundred thousand dollars, what happened? I bet 48 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: Sewan comes is just twirling around in his chair in 49 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: that courtroom. 50 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 4: Tell me everything, well, Nancy Eddie Garcia told us that 51 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 4: Christina Coorum was actually the first person to reach out 52 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 4: to him trying to obtain a copy of that video, 53 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 4: and Garcia told her, no, there's no way I can 54 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 4: do that. You're going to have to talk to hotel 55 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 4: management or you're going to have to get a subpoena. 56 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 4: And after talking on the phone with Christina Korum and 57 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 4: telling her no, this isn't an option, she then showed 58 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 4: up to the hotel asked him in person again. He 59 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 4: again politely told her no, she would have to go 60 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 4: through the proper channels to get that video, but he 61 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 4: did tell her, you know, off the record, this video 62 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 4: is bad, so Charsina Korum then calls back and puts 63 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 4: Sean Combs on the phone to have Combs of Kim 64 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 4: to get a copy of this video. Again, Garcia is like, 65 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 4: you know what, No, I can't do this. This has 66 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 4: to go through management, and Garcia starts running that up 67 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 4: the chain. So, now that he has had three separate 68 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 4: conversations where he's had to tell these people no, he 69 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 4: goes to management and tells them what's going on. Then 70 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,559 Speaker 4: he gets a call on his personal cell phone number, 71 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 4: which he did not give out, and at this point 72 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 4: he's a little bit scared. He gets this call on 73 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 4: his personal phone number. Both Christina Korum and Combs are 74 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 4: still trying to convince him to give this video, and 75 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 4: Comb mentions, you know what, I'll take care of you 76 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 4: if you help me out, and Garcia immediately took that 77 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 4: to be a finance she'll offer. So Garcia goes to 78 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 4: his boss and his boss says, you know what, tell 79 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 4: them we'll do it for fifty K, and he relays 80 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 4: that over the phone back to Comb's and Comb agrees 81 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 4: to this fifty k, how soon can you get it 82 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 4: to me? Here's the address where you should meet me. 83 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 4: So Eddie goes to this meeting with a USB stick 84 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 4: of the only copy of the video, hands it over 85 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 4: and Christina Korum is there, so he calls Koram to 86 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 4: let her know that he's arrived to make this exchange. 87 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 4: She gets a security guard to bring him up to 88 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 4: Combe's room and he meets with Combs. Christina Koram is 89 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 4: in and out of the room. Combs wanted to ensure 90 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 4: that this was the only copy of that video. He 91 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 4: made Garcia repeat that like ten times, and he also 92 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 4: told Garcia that Cassie wanted this video gone too. Everybody 93 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 4: wanted this to disappear. Garcia was doing the right thing 94 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 4: by giving them the copy of this video. So Comb's 95 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 4: make Garcia sign these intimidating documents. Garcia just wants to 96 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 4: get out of there, and those documents were confirming that 97 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 4: that was the only copy of this video in an NBA. 98 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 4: So Garcia testifies that he didn't really read those documents 99 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 4: to get an idea of what he was actually signing. 100 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 4: He just wanted to get out of there as quickly 101 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 4: as possible. Then Comb start counting out this huge sum 102 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 4: in stacks of ten thousand dollars, and they had agreed 103 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 4: upon fifty k, but comb counts out one hundred thousand, 104 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 4: and Combs intended that money, So the fifty k for 105 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 4: the actual video, then split the other fifty between you 106 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 4: and the security guard that responded to the incident to 107 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 4: keep this quiet. So that's how Garcia took the extra 108 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 4: fifty k that was coming in. And he says Christina 109 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 4: Korum was in and out of the room as Combs 110 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 4: was counting this money, so she knew that he was 111 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 4: being paid off for giving the copy of this video. 112 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 4: And a few weeks later, Combs checked in with him 113 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 4: one more time just to make sure that was the 114 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 4: only copy, and he never heard from him again. 115 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: Joining me. In addition to Sidney Sumner in an All 116 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: Star panel, Nima Ramani with us. Let me tell you 117 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: about Ramani, former federal prosecutor, turn trial lawyer, president the 118 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: West Coast Trial Lawyers, author of Harvard to hashtag. It 119 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: goes on and on and on, but the important part 120 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: for me is he was a fed. Okay, the state 121 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: system is very different from the federal system. I was 122 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: lucky to get to be a FED for three years 123 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: before I became a violent crime prosecutor. Very different animal 124 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: Nima Ramani, can you say unindicted co conspirator, and I'm 125 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: talking about Korum, who denies all wrongdoing. She was there, 126 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: she was on the scene on endie co conspirator. Explain, Nancy. 127 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 5: We've been talking about Christina horm for months now, and 128 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 5: she's comebs, this right hand woman, and she knows where 129 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 5: the bodies are buried, and she's actually an active participant 130 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 5: in this obstruction of justice, this. 131 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 6: Witness tampering scheme, this bribery scheme, which of course is 132 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 6: a Rico predicate act. 133 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 5: So I believe the FEDS are leaning on her and 134 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 5: she will testify. She's going to turn on her former employer, 135 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 5: Sean Diddy Combs. It's just a matter of days before 136 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 5: she's on the stand. 137 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: You know, Ramani, I've never accused you of throwing around 138 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: Latin or legal phrases. Again, you know yourrs don't like that. 139 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: Not everybody is miserable enough to have lived through law 140 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: school and had to put up with other lawyers for 141 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: a living. You know, they can be very obnoxious. You're 142 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: mistuck on an elevator in the courthouse with a bunch 143 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: of lawyers. They're constantly throwing around legal terms and Latin 144 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: terms to impress people. Please stop when you say this 145 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: is a predicate act. Could you just please talk and 146 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: regular people talk, because I had rage A the other 147 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: day telling me how Comes is not going to be convicted, 148 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: that this is not sex trafficking and it's not rico. 149 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: Rico is it's the prize here, all right, that's what 150 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: the feds want. They want a conviction on rico, which 151 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: is a criminal enterprise. Simply put, it can be a 152 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: loosely joined together group of people that take part in 153 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: a criminal enterprise. That's what it is. It's really not hard, 154 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: no legal mumbo jumbo necessary. And when you have employees 155 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: or minions as I call them, doing your illegal bidding 156 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: such as helping bribe someone, which is extortion, that makes 157 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: them part of the criminal enterprise. Extortion is a predicate act. 158 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: Now explain in regular people talk what you mean and 159 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: why this is a reco case. It's not hard, it's. 160 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 5: Not and that's why Rayja doesn't understand the law. So, 161 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 5: like you said, you just need that loose association that's 162 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 5: the criminal enterprise. 163 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 6: Bad boy records with ditty at the top. That's enough. 164 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 5: Then you need a pattern of racketeering activities. So what 165 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 5: does that mean. You just need two crimes that happen 166 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 5: within a ten year period. So what are those types 167 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 5: of crimes. It could be sex trafficking, it can be prostitution, 168 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 5: and say we've had lots of evidence of that, obstruction 169 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 5: of justice, witness tampering arson kid cutty his car. 170 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 6: So you can have bribery. So as long as you 171 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 6: have these what we. 172 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 5: Call racketeering predicate acts or these crimes, that's the racket. 173 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 6: So you don't need to be the mom, you don't 174 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 6: need to be a drug cartel or a streakingk. 175 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 5: You can convince Combs of racketeering as long as you 176 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 5: have these elements, which we do in this case. And 177 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 5: the reason Rico is so important and so powerful, Nancy 178 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 5: is you can bring in a lot of evidence. 179 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 6: And a lot of people in the case. So someone 180 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 6: like Christina jorm even if she didn't make the actual payment, 181 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 6: as long as she is a co conspirator she enters 182 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 6: into this unlawful agreement with Diddy to bribe someone or 183 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 6: to pay off a witness, she's on the hook for 184 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 6: all the crimes. 185 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 5: Further into the conspiracy, even the sex trafficking so y Ja. 186 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 6: With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. 187 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: He you know, it doesn't have to be a bunch 188 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: of thugs. It doesn't have to be the mob. Rico 189 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: has been used in LA I might add wide spread corruption. 190 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: Rico has been used on the LAPD and it worked 191 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: on cops. So it's not just about the mob. For 192 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: Rico joining me. In addition to Sydney and Nima, Rob 193 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: Shecheeter is with me and Rob Sheeter sometimes I don't 194 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: know if I love you or I hate you. Because 195 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: you worked for Diddie Seawan Combs for years. You quit, 196 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: God bless you. You had to see legal turn crap 197 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: ton of misbehavior. Let me tell you about Shooter. He's 198 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: a PR guru. He worked for Combs. He orchestrated tons 199 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: of combs. PR and PR was comes specialty in his mind, 200 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: and he was a tyrant. He is a host of 201 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: Naughty but Nice podcast and that's it. Rob Shooter s 202 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,599 Speaker 1: h U T E R Not Bang Bang Shoot Robshooter 203 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: dot substack dot com and author of the ForWord Answer Shooter. 204 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: With that introduction, are you surprised? Comes suppusted and a 205 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars extortion. 206 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 7: No, I'm not surprised. But first of all, let me say, Nancy, 207 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 7: I think you love me. I know you don't hate me. 208 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 7: I think it's loved. How about back to the subject 209 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 7: matter at hand. If he was a bully, he had 210 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 7: a lot of money. He liked to flash it around. 211 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 7: I remember going to restaurants with him and he always 212 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 7: had cash and he'd always have one hundred dollars bill 213 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 7: in his hand to give the matre d to get 214 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 7: a better table. 215 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: He gave huge tips. He always used to say tip. 216 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wait, let me just hold on. 217 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: You say so much, I might drink you from the fire. Hydicht, 218 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: let me get this picture. So I got Sean Combs 219 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: in his entourage at some fancy restaurant that I would 220 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: never dream of putting my toe in. And he gets 221 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: a seat. But it's not the right seat in the 222 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: fancy restaurant. So he's got to get the right seat. 223 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: Are you serious? He would pay an extra one hundred 224 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: dollars to get not just a seat, but the right seat. 225 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 7: It really mattered to him. This is who he is. 226 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 7: I couldn't care less where I sat. I'd be lucky 227 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 7: enough to get in. For him, it really did matter. 228 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 7: He thought everybody was watching him, and to some extent 229 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 7: that was true. And he thought having did not sit at. 230 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,599 Speaker 6: The best table was a bad look. 231 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: And so he would make sure that wouldn't happen. 232 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: How you do if you seat Sean Combs by the 233 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: men's bathroom or the kitchen he's forbid, or the entry 234 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: way where he might feel the wind when they opened 235 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: the door, hta in Oh, that ain't gonna happen. Just 236 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: give me an example. What are some of the restaurants 237 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: that Sean Combs would favor. 238 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 7: There was a restaurant in New York that he loved 239 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 7: called Nobu. It's still open. 240 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: But he also too, I went as in his calm ones. 241 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: Do you know how much one piece of sushi is 242 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: at Nobu? It's like forty dollars one? And I don't 243 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: mean a roll shooter. I'm not talking about six pieces. 244 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: I'm talking about one little piece. Seventy Jerry forty bucks Nobou. 245 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 2: It's crazy. 246 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 7: And then he puts even morebody down on the table 247 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 7: to get what he thinks is the seat he deserves. 248 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 7: My point here, though, is he is used to throwing 249 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 7: money and any situation to get what he wants. 250 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: Why the way you said that throwing a money? Okay, 251 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: go ahead, I want to hear about one hundred thousand dollars. 252 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 2: Of money, Boney. 253 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 7: I was withsing once and he was told his fashion 254 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 7: week in New York and he wanted to go to 255 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 7: a fashion show. And I called the fashion people to 256 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 7: try and get him in and he was told no. 257 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 7: So what did did he do? This might sound familiar. 258 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 7: He asked me for the number, and he called himself, 259 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 7: and I think he offered money to an assistant to 260 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 7: young stylist. 261 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 8: We are living in this Dirty Diddy dystopian dumpster world. 262 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 8: In some way, shape or form, Dirty Diddy is going down. 263 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 7: My time working with Diddy was extraordinary, Nancy. I've never 264 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 7: experienced anything like that. Again, he was the ringmaster and 265 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 7: we played along with his circus. 266 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: Again, when you don't know what horse, look at his 267 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: track record. Diddy busted Diddy bucks one hundred thousand dollars 268 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: paid off for what he thought was the only copy 269 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: of the Cassie Ventura beat Down video. Why would he 270 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: pay one hundred thousand dollars? Oh there he is half 271 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: naked again. Oh he's walking that way because he's dragging 272 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: Cassie Ventira behind him one hundred thousand dollars. Why did 273 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: he pay that? Why did he pay four hundred thousand 274 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: dollars to Mia and the defense tried so hard to 275 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: discredit her? Why did he pay twenty mil to Cassi 276 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: Ventira to get her to shut her pie hole? But 277 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: was it Sydney Sumner? Was it the only copy of 278 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: the video? 279 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 4: Unbeknownst to Eddie Garcia, it was not. He believed that 280 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 4: Israel Flores was very by the book, and that's the 281 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 4: security guard we heard from on the stand first, and 282 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 4: he didn't think that Israel Flores would have taken a 283 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 4: copy of at home. But Flora testified that he wanted 284 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 4: to show his wife what had happened because otherwise she 285 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 4: wouldn't believe in that phone video that he took of 286 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 4: The surveillance footage ended up being one of the only 287 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 4: surviving copies as far as we know, we still don't 288 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 4: know exactly how CNN obtained their copy of the video. 289 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 6: Well, you know. 290 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: What, Robert Crispins joining me private investigator was with former 291 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: Federal Task Force officer for the US Department of Justice 292 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: in the Miami Field Division. They're not sitting around twiddling 293 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: their thumbs. Former homicide Crimes against Children investigator. He is 294 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: now at Crispin Investigations dot com. Crispin, don't you just 295 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: hate it when you blackmail somebody to the team of 296 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: one hundred grand and there's another video floating around rent Row? 297 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 9: I mean, really, come on, think about it. Do you 298 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 9: really think that no one else was going to have 299 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 9: a video of ditting kicking the hell out of somebody, 300 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 9: especially Cassie Ventura? 301 00:17:58,640 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 6: Come on? 302 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 9: So here's the beauty of all this with the government, 303 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 9: this cast of guard Leonard stuffed this King for a day, 304 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 9: Queen for a day. 305 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 6: They need people to. 306 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 9: Give testimony ilure being indicted to say what happened? 307 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, Crispin, hold on just a moment. I 308 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 1: want you to factor this into your answer. Hold on 309 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: a shooter with me, Rob Shooter? What was Sean Comes's 310 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: reaction typically when he doesn't get his way, because in court, 311 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: when he was watching Brian Steele, who's a very very 312 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: good trial lawyer. It's a great defense attorney, right, I've 313 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: watched him in action. So Steele started off with Mia 314 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: with the Andy and Mayberry approach, trying to get the answers, 315 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: but yet being genial to her. He didn't want to 316 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: beat up on mea And you could see Sean Kin's 317 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:57,719 Speaker 1: going Hugh Ell moving around and twisting around and holding 318 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: his face all that. I mean, he could see him 319 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: and then cudainly Brian still has a change of heart. 320 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: I mean, you can imagine if if Diddy is driving, 321 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: is steering that ship, then he gets really mean to me. 322 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: Still does so did he not getting what he wants? 323 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: Can you imagine how angry he was when he finds 324 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: out that was one hundred thousand dollars right down the 325 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: crapper there was another copy. 326 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm sure he was absolutely furious. Let me tell 327 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 7: you a little bit of a secret here about Puffey. 328 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 7: But somebody with all the money that he has is 329 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 7: incredibly cheap. He never wanted to pay for anything he 330 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 7: didn't have to pay for. 331 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 2: He wanted to. 332 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 7: Get free clothes, free dinners, free tickets if he went 333 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 7: at the club's restaurants. He just didn't want to pay 334 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 7: for stuff. And so for him to have to reach 335 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 7: into his own pockets and pay one hundred thousand dollars, 336 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 7: which I think that tape is incredibly cheap. That tape 337 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 7: is going to change his life, and so it was 338 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 7: worth tens of millions of dollars for him to get 339 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 7: it for one hundred thousand dollars cheap, and then to 340 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 7: find out he didn't get it all there was another copy. 341 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 2: He will have exploded. 342 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: And he's exploded, what do you mean? Throw himself on 343 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: the floor and kick like a school a school child, 344 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: a two year old, screaming and kicking and snarling and crying. 345 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: What does he do when he doesn't get his way? Well, 346 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: I know he beats Cassie Ventra and others. But what 347 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: is he like when he doesn't get his way? Or 348 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: does he always get his way? 349 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: Well, that's interesting. 350 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 7: He normally always does get his own way, and so 351 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 7: when he doesn't, it's hard for him to believe. 352 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 2: It's like a shock. At first. He doesn't quite know 353 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 2: what to do because he never gets told no. 354 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 7: There's nothing that he doesn't think he can fix with money, 355 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 7: with power, with making a personal phone call. 356 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 2: He deeply believes. 357 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 7: In his own ability to convince you to do something 358 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 7: that you otherwise wouldn't want to do. But he's a screamer, 359 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 7: he's a shouter, He's a violent man. He could throw things. 360 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 7: I've seen him get so angry that he looks like 361 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 7: he's about to pash out, pass out. The veins in 362 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 7: his neck are popping. 363 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 2: He turns into. 364 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: Okay, I need to hear about that, Shooter. What do 365 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: you mean When he doesn't get his way, he looks 366 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: like he's going to pass out. 367 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 7: He gets so angry and answer. He gets so angry 368 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 7: he forgets to breathe like he. 369 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 2: Just can't believe that somebody says no to him. He 370 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 2: can't believe it. 371 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: I'm just imagining when Shawn comes finds out there's another 372 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: video floating around crime stories with Nancy Grace, Rob Shooter 373 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: joining us from Naughty but Nice. Oh that but hold 374 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,239 Speaker 1: on everybody very quickly to Robert Crispin. Now that you 375 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: know more about Shawn comes from someone that knows him. 376 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: Can you only imagine him gnashing his teeth and twisting 377 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: his tail when he finds out there's another video and 378 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: he gave a harndd away for it. 379 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, he's not too happy right now. And 380 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 9: now people are parading in and talking about it. 381 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: People that could have been indicted, but they needed these people. 382 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,479 Speaker 9: They needed to seal up that part of the testimony. 383 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 6: For that money. 384 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: We are live at the Federal Courthouse in downtown Manhattan, 385 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: the Monahan Building, standing by his investigative reporter, Lauren Conlins. 386 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: He's been in the courtroom all day long. Start off 387 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: Pop Crime TV. What a bomb, a state bomb for 388 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: the defense druck right in the middle of that clatch 389 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: of lawyers. One hundred thousand dollars Diddybucks paid all four bribery. 390 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: Bribery which, as Romani pointed out, is a predicate at. 391 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: You have to have an underlying felony or predicate at 392 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: to prove Rico, tell me how that went over in 393 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,719 Speaker 1: the courtroom. Yes, Nancy. 394 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 3: We started off by getting a really big interruption by 395 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 3: a woman that works for the MTA. The entire courtroom 396 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 3: turned around. This is before Eddie Garcia, the witness, walked in. 397 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 3: But that was quite a moment. She was screaming at 398 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 3: the press, saying that the press is awful and the 399 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 3: press is laughing at Ditty, And you should have seen 400 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 3: Ditty's face as well as everyone in the courtroom. 401 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: We were all in shock. 402 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 3: But back to Eddie Garcia, I mean, this testimony was 403 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 3: incredibly important to this case, as you know. He testified 404 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 3: that he received multiple calls from Christina Porum, Ditty's assistant, 405 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 3: before she eventually passed the phone over to Sean Holmes himself. 406 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 3: Eddie Garcia described talking to him saying, you know, look, 407 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,719 Speaker 3: I already told your assistant here, but I don't have 408 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 3: any clearance to obtain this video that you want me 409 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 3: to obtain. 410 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: I cannot go in this room. 411 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 3: Only my boss can do that. And he described did 412 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 3: he kind of just buttering him up, saying, you know, 413 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 3: I know you can do it, Eddie, I believe. 414 00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 2: In you type of thing. 415 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 3: And he also described Diddy is being very nervous seeming 416 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 3: on the phone saying, look, this could destroy my reputation. 417 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 10: If it gets out. 418 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 3: Now he said, okay, you know, I'll talk to my boss, 419 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 3: et cetera. And this was actually after receiving a call 420 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 3: from Ditty and Christina on his cell phone. They started 421 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 3: off by calling him at the general security desk. They 422 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 3: somehow got his cell phone, which he said did make 423 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 3: him a little bit nervous, and he said that, you know, 424 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 3: he talked to his boss and he said, look, this is. 425 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 1: What's going on. 426 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 3: They want this video and his boss said, Okay, tell 427 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 3: him fifty thousand dollars. They make this meeting happen where 428 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 3: Diddy tells him a meeting place. He goes and gets 429 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 3: this black USB from his boss at the Intercontinental, and 430 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 3: he goes and he meets with Ditty, and he describes 431 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 3: being taken up to this room by one of Ditty's 432 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 3: security guards. He meets with Christina Korum and then eventually Diddy, 433 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 3: and he says that after some back and forth, did 434 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 3: he requested the IDs of Eddie Garcia and his boss, 435 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 3: another gentleman. And one of the first testimonies we heard, 436 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 3: I think it actually was the first one was Israel Flores, 437 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 3: who also was on duty that day. But Eddie Garcia said, 438 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 3: I don't think that Israel Flores is going to go 439 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 3: for this. So they got the idea of somebody else 440 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 3: and they texted these to him. He went in another room, 441 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 3: came back, got an NDA. Eddie Garcia had to sign 442 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 3: this this NDA, and then eventually did He came back 443 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 3: with a brown bag of money and a money counter, 444 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 3: and he did not get fifty thousand dollars. He got 445 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 3: one hundred thousand dollars. And he also said that about 446 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 3: two weeks later it was easter did he called him 447 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 3: again to check in, saying, Eddie, my angel, you know, 448 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 3: how are you have you heard anything or anybody mentioned 449 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 3: this video at all? And he said no, and. 450 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: That was that. Could you tell me what this reaction 451 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: in the courtroom when it came out from not one 452 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: but two witnesses that Comes had bribed one hundred thousand 453 00:25:58,680 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: dollars to get that video. 454 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 3: I'd say today the jury is much more reserved than 455 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 3: they were while listening to Mia. I mean, this is 456 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 3: important testimony, so they are listening intently. I would say 457 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 3: their heads kind of go back and forth between the 458 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 3: lawyer and the witness, you know, appropriately, and they look 459 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 3: at the documents that they're reading. We saw multiple times 460 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 3: the NDA on the screen and these jurors they were 461 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 3: reading it. They wanted to catch every word here. 462 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: You know, I'm very curious to doctor Bethany Marshall joining 463 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: a psychoanalyst out of la and author doctor Bethany to 464 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: hear what she's saying, what Lauren Colin is stating, to 465 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: finally be hit with reality that you've been uncovered in 466 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: a bribe, and what's so important about the bribe not 467 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: just bribery on its own, but it serves as a 468 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 1: required underlying felony to show rico. And you know Sean 469 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: Combs knows that, and it's just pouring from the witness stand. 470 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 8: Well, you know, he can beat down Cassie Ventura, but 471 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 8: he can't beat down the prosecution. He cannot beat down 472 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 8: the fence. And this is the telling moment for him. 473 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 8: I wish I had like a monitor to rate his 474 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 8: to measure his perspiration rate, his heart rate, to see 475 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 8: what he's really going through. I bet he's flooded right now. 476 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 8: I bet he's enraged. Like Rob Shooter talked about the 477 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 8: veins bulging out, he is probably enraged. He doesn't feel guilty, 478 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 8: he doesn't feel worried, Nancy. He is mad and he's 479 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 8: not going to be able to get away with this 480 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 8: once he's incarcerated. He's going to have plenty of incidents 481 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 8: when he's called on bad behavior and there's nothing he's 482 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 8: going to be able to do about it. You can't 483 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 8: buy your way out of it once you're incarcerated. And 484 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 8: this interaction about the one hundred thousand dollars, you know, 485 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 8: this is just one iteration of many incidentss where he's 486 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 8: bought people off. 487 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: Lauren Colin joining us from on them on hand courthouse. 488 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: She's been in the courtroom the entire day. Lauren Colin 489 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: tell me about the woman that started screaming, What was 490 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: that all about? That was so crazy. 491 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 3: I have to say I've seen her pretty much here 492 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 3: at the courthouse every day. She apparently works for the MTA. 493 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 3: She does seem to have some issues. I'm clearly not 494 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 3: a doctor, but I've seen her cause a fuss outside. 495 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 3: She just is always yelling at the press. And this 496 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 3: morning I was literally three feet away when she walked 497 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 3: into the courtroom, because she is a member of the public, 498 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 3: and she did get here early enough to put her 499 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 3: name on the list, and I think she was actually 500 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 3: the number one bought. So she walked in the courtroom 501 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 3: and this is before the. 502 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:51,479 Speaker 1: Jury walked in. 503 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 3: The judge was discussing some issues with the defense and 504 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 3: the Feds, and she just starts screaming, diddy the you know, 505 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 3: they're laughing at you. They're laughing at you, meaning the press. 506 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 3: And then at one point they're trying there's three marshals 507 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 3: on her. They're trying to usher her out. She's standing still, 508 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 3: and she says to one of the marshals, go ahead 509 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 3: and use your gun. And that's when a bunch of 510 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 3: the press kind of turned around to make sure their 511 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,959 Speaker 3: back wasn't you know, to the scene, because it was. 512 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 3: It was pretty alarming. But you had to have seen 513 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 3: Diddy's face. He literally was like, what is even happening 514 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 3: right now? 515 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 6: His jaw was on the ground. 516 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Kimberly Melman a Rose co 517 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: joining US executive director of Freedom Light, human trafficking expert 518 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: and author of Hidden in Plane Side America, Slaves of 519 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: the New Millennium. This incredible book. By the way, doctor Kimberly, 520 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Doctor Kimberly. An aspect 521 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: that I have observed, and I want to see the 522 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: Cassie V video again. I'll tell you why sex traffickers 523 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 1: are rapists, especially serial rapists. They believe they're gonna get 524 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: away with it, and usually they do. If you take 525 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: Combs for example, all the years years he has been 526 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: attacking people, according to the alleged victims, drugging them, raping them, 527 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: videoing them without their consent, but naked in all sorts 528 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: of positions. Here he is in a public hotel Hallway, 529 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: doctor Kimberly, And he doesn't care. That's actually fine with him, 530 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: to beat her, to stop around in his socks and 531 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: his towel, that's okay. The arrogance of these sex traffickers 532 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: and sex offenders. They're convinced nobody's ever gonna tell on them. 533 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: The security guards aren't gonna hand over the video. No 534 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: one would dare cross Diddy. Is it a common character 535 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: trait among sex traffickers, doctor Kimberly. 536 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 10: Well, first of all, thank you for having me, Nancy, 537 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 10: and I would say that we certainly see with all 538 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 10: types of sexuality based offenders that can be in Bolden 539 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 10: when they are, their crimes are met with some level 540 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 10: of impunity. And I think that Diddy's celebrity status has 541 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 10: certainly bought him some privileges that the average person who 542 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 10: gauge age engages in criminal activity is not afforded. The 543 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 10: difference here, though, is his pattern of criminal activity. I 544 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 10: think you hit the nail on the head when you 545 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 10: had your opening and you said the statutal limitations for 546 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 10: locally based charges had elapsed, and I think that's right. 547 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 10: I don't think anybody disputes I don't even think that 548 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 10: the friense disputes that their client is a criminal, he 549 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 10: has engaged in criminal activity. I think their argument is 550 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 10: that the statutal limitations has elapsed and that there's an 551 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 10: overreach with the types of charges that he's facing with 552 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 10: regards to human trafficking. From what I can see from 553 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 10: this case, I think there is some atypicality. For example, 554 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 10: we don't see Cassy being sold off to other people. 555 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 10: We don't see the dipos. 556 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: Kimberly, she was trafficked to other people according to her, 557 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: because sex workers were flown in to have sex with 558 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: her on video even when she didn't want That wouldn't 559 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: that constitute. 560 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 10: Typically listen is it would be atypical. But I understand 561 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 10: exactly what you're saying here, Nancy, and this is why 562 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 10: this is a precedent setting case. But typically the trafficking 563 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 10: when somebody is sold to another person, the person who's 564 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 10: receiving those sexual services would be the commercial sex consumer 565 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 10: and would be paying the trafficker. That's what would happen 566 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 10: typically in a sex trafficking situation. This is atypical in 567 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 10: the sense of comes was paying sex workers to engage 568 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 10: in sexual activities? With Cassy. Some of those sex workers 569 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 10: testified and saying and stated that she seemed to be 570 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 10: enjoying herself quote unquote. I think that that's all for debate, 571 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 10: and I think that that's part of the adversarial presentation 572 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 10: of this case in front. 573 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: Of the jury. Okay, that is a mouthful doctor Bethony 574 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: Marshall response. 575 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 8: About him throwing those lavish parties with women who are compromised, 576 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 8: and because of that, he promotes his business to celebrities, 577 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 8: and that part has yet to come out. But he 578 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 8: is benefiting quite a bit from this. He may not 579 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 8: be taking cash, but he is taking business deals, the 580 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 8: sale of his clothing, his perfume, everything. He is reaping 581 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 8: all the benefits of this. 582 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 6: And in that Cassie beat. 583 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 8: Down tape, Nancy a little detail is I think she's 584 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 8: carrying an airman's purse. He rushes out, he grabs the 585 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 8: purse as if it's his own, and grabs her drags 586 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,719 Speaker 8: her down the hallway. What is the difference between that 587 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 8: and a pimp on the street giving a twelve year 588 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 8: old a very small gift and then withdrawing it when 589 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 8: she doesn't obey him. This is slavery and sex trafficking 590 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 8: one oh one. 591 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: It just takes an unusual form bombshell in the trial 592 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: of Seawan Combs in court today evidence of a one 593 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars bribe paid for the Cassie Ventira beat 594 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: down video. That wasn't the only witness on the stand, 595 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: Sydy Summer Crime Stories investigative reporter. Wasn't there a bookkeeper 596 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: for bad Boy Records that took the stand? That's correct. 597 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 4: Derek Ferguson, who was the former eas financial officer for 598 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 4: Sean Diddycomb's businesses, has been on the stand, and he 599 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 4: worked for Diddy for a very long time nineteen ninety 600 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 4: eight to twenty seventeen. So are you giving us a 601 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 4: rundown of how finances worked for that business? Who carried money? 602 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 4: It wasn't uncommon for staff to be handling large amounts 603 00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 4: of cash back in the day, laying out exactly how 604 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 4: finances worked for Shawan Combe's businesses, saying that Shawn Colms 605 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 4: occasionally used company cards to charge personal charges and that 606 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 4: staff later went back and reconciled where exactly money needed 607 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 4: to shift from account to account to cover those charges. 608 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 1: Okay, hold on by ba ba ba ba wah, wait, wait, wait, Sydney. 609 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: As usual, you're giving me a ton of evidence. Let 610 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: me sift through because you know I like to go 611 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: through each line individually. Okay, Nimo Ramani. Did you hear 612 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: what Derek Ferguson's testifying to. It's Shawn Conne's former CFO 613 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 1: on the stand. You know he knows where the bodies 614 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,919 Speaker 1: are buried. Did you hear what she just said? That 615 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,240 Speaker 1: they would make these expenditures, say, let's say a thousand 616 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: dollars for baby oil and astro glide or one hundred 617 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: grand payoff, and then the accountant would have to figure 618 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: out how to shift funds, in other words, cook the 619 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: books to make it all sure to be business expenses. 620 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: That's what that is. 621 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 5: That's absolutely what it is, Nancy. And this is consistent 622 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 5: with all the assistants what they've been testifying to. That 623 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 5: they had a lot of cash, and then when it 624 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 5: was something unlawful or something for the freak offs, they 625 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 5: would use that cash. And if it was something legitimate 626 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 5: like a meal, they would charge the credit card right 627 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 5: the business account. And look, even when comb's paid off, 628 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 5: Eddie Garcia, he told him, don't make any large purchases. 629 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 5: He knew that this was illegal, just like he paid 630 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 5: cash to the sex workers. 631 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,280 Speaker 6: He paid cash for the drugs. 632 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 5: There's something wrong with cash, but usually nancy people use cash, 633 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 5: large amounts of it when they're engaged in illegal activity. 634 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 5: That's exactly what we're seeing. 635 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,760 Speaker 1: Here, isn't it true? Name of Romani that banks across 636 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: the country. When you make a ten thousand dollars withdrawal, 637 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: I mean or deposit, the bank says, wa, whoa, whoa, 638 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, ten grand, ten grand and one dollar. 639 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: We've got to account for that. Are you a doper? 640 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:07,439 Speaker 1: Because that's common that amount of cash used. Something's way wrong. 641 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: I have to dig around just to get out of 642 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: a parking deck. You know, I'm looking under the carpet 643 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: in the minivan who carries one hundred grand? Sean Combs, 644 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: Now listen to this, Ramiani Ferguson. You know the meek, 645 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: mild mannered account on the Standard Scribes properties comes on 646 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: in Miami, New York. The Hampton's executives are given American 647 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:36,240 Speaker 1: Express cards for expenses, but the business relies on cash. 648 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: Many of the quote performers sex traffic workers requested cash 649 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: as payment. The bodyguards carried cash. That's what we're hearing 650 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: from Ferguson. See where I'm going with this. Hold On, 651 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: let me go to Robert Crispin. Crispin, when you raid 652 00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: a doper, don't you get like any balls as I 653 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: call them, and you test that money. It's covered in 654 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 1: dope particles, money, cash, What does it mean? 655 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 6: Stacks. 656 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:09,760 Speaker 1: It's illegal. 657 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 9: It's derived from the illegal proceeds of criminal activity. And 658 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 9: it's everywhere in a search warm, it's all over. It's 659 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 9: in the rooms, they're in safe They're in the. 660 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,240 Speaker 6: Bad guy's pocket. Yeah, all over the place. 661 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: My best friend, my best friend girl is a dope lawyer, 662 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: and she carries I don't know, six hundred dollars in 663 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,359 Speaker 1: a ball in her sock whatever you know where that 664 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: came from. It's dope money. It's her legal fee from dopers. Now, 665 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: I mean, when I hear this, doctor Bethany Marshall, I'm 666 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: making poking fun at my friend carrying six hundred dollars 667 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: rolled up in her sock. It's dope money. My point 668 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: is this shows a nefarious nature. Right of course, the 669 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 1: thinking it through. I can't use my credit card, I 670 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: can't certainly write a check to what was his name, 671 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: the punisher, the sex worker, because that's wrong and I'll 672 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: get caught, so I have to pay in cash. It's 673 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: an age old method of hiding crime. 674 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 8: You know, Nancy. And not just in this kind of 675 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 8: a criminal enterprise. But remember when Warren Chefs of the 676 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 8: FLDS cult was pulled over with all of his wives. 677 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 8: He had tons of cash and. 678 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 1: He was headed to Las Vegas. 679 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:36,320 Speaker 8: This is so typical of these top heavy male enterprises 680 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,800 Speaker 8: where they keep women under their thumb who then abuse 681 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,919 Speaker 8: other women. There's always cash at the top. 682 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 1: And Nancy that escalade. 683 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 8: Remember when Kid Cutty's car had a Molotov cocktail thrown 684 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 8: in it. That escalade was registered to bad Boy Records, 685 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:59,240 Speaker 8: meaning he was paying for that escalade from business funds. 686 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 8: He was writing it off as a business expense. He 687 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 8: probably wrote one hundred thousand dollars off as a business expense. Hey, 688 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 8: the hotel where he was staying where he beat Cassie Ventura, 689 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 8: he paid for that was business funds. Are those freakoffs 690 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 8: business expenses? Of course not. That's a lot of shifting 691 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 8: money around that accountant had to do. 692 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: Oh what a tangled web we weave. When first we 693 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: practiced to deceive. You think the fans can't see through 694 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,839 Speaker 1: all that money? Please? You remember in the Wizard of 695 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 1: oz Nima Romani when Dorothy throws the water on the 696 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:43,240 Speaker 1: witch and she's I'm melting. That's what's happening right now? 697 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:49,320 Speaker 1: Did he melting with this money evidence? Because everything else, 698 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 1: just like ray Ja the other day, please says it's 699 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: just domestic abuse, one hundred grand bribe, Molotov cocktail. Now 700 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: we're if you don't want to believe Ventura and Maya, 701 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: about the beatings, what about the arson? What about the bribe? Now, 702 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: this is some hard evidence that cannot be shaded with 703 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 1: the umbrella. Oh it's just a spat between a girlfriend 704 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: and a boyfriend. No, it's not. He's melting. 705 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 5: Even if the jurors don't believe Cassie venture and they 706 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,839 Speaker 5: believed that she was a willing participant in the freak offs, 707 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 5: that they were consensual, the Feds can still get a 708 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 5: conviction on Rico, with arson, with kidnapping, with bribery, with obstruction, 709 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 5: with witness tampering. 710 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 6: There's many many paths to get there. 711 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 5: That's why the Rico charge is so incredibly important. It 712 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 5: allows the FEDS and the Department of Justice to potentially 713 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,920 Speaker 5: put Diddy away for life, even if the. 714 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 6: Jurs don't believe the sex trafficking was forced or course. 715 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: We remember now an American hero share of Andrew Clark 716 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 1: to Cab County, killed in the line of duty, survived 717 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:09,280 Speaker 1: by grieving wife Jody and four beautiful children Brianna, Brooklyn, Alexavier, 718 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:16,800 Speaker 1: and Chloe. American hero Sheriff Andrew Clark. Nancy Grace signing 719 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,719 Speaker 1: off goodbye friend.