WEBVTT - The Monsterfact Omnibus: Marvel Monsters 2

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, my name is Robert Lamb, and this is the

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<v Speaker 2>Monster Fact, a short form series from Stuff to Blow

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<v Speaker 2>Your Mind focusing on mythical creatures, ideas, and monsters in time.

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<v Speaker 2>This is going to be another special Omnibus episode, this

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<v Speaker 2>time collecting the four most recent Marvel Comics creatures, monsters

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<v Speaker 2>characters that I've profiled here on the show. So buckle

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<v Speaker 2>in because first up, we're going to consider Swarm. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to briefly return to the world of Marvel Comics

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<v Speaker 2>to discuss a rather unique supervillain, Swarm, as described in

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<v Speaker 2>the book Monsters Creatures of the Marvel Universe, explored by

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<v Speaker 2>Kelly Knox. Swarm is just your average former Nazi scientist

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<v Speaker 2>and acupuncturists consume owned by a swarm of radioactive bees

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<v Speaker 2>at a meteorite crash, transforming him into a sentient swarm

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<v Speaker 2>of bees. He manifests as a man shaped swarm with

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<v Speaker 2>stylish purple gloves and a ragged purple cape. The character

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<v Speaker 2>dates back to nineteen seventy seven, created by Bill Mantillo

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<v Speaker 2>and John Byrne in the pages of the Champions and

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's safe to assume that this one was

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<v Speaker 2>inspired by the old suit of bees stunt as well

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<v Speaker 2>as the curious properties of you social bees, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>the really interesting thing about the whole proposition here. The

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<v Speaker 2>former Fritz von Meyer, again now known as Swarm, is

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<v Speaker 2>said to exert control over the bees, and his consciousness

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<v Speaker 2>is shared among the thousands of bees that make up

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<v Speaker 2>his bee bod. It's a fantastic concept, but it also

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<v Speaker 2>touches on the fact that bees do exert a form

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<v Speaker 2>of emergence intelligence and are often discussed as a super

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<v Speaker 2>organism and as a cognitive entity. Swarms exhibit properties that

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<v Speaker 2>are not shared by the individual organism, but are rather

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<v Speaker 2>exhibited by the larger group, such as the ability of

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<v Speaker 2>a beehive to thermoregulate. Is pointed out by a Cadame

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<v Speaker 2>at All in of Biofilms and Beehives, published in the

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<v Speaker 2>journal Biofilm in twenty twenty two. When temperatures drop, bees

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<v Speaker 2>move in closer to better share their heat with adult

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<v Speaker 2>bees on the outside, shivering to reduce additional heat, and

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<v Speaker 2>then moving into the interior of the mass to warm

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<v Speaker 2>younger bees that lack the ability. As the title of

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<v Speaker 2>the paper implies the authors compare bee swarms to biofilms,

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<v Speaker 2>multicellular communities of bacteria or fungi. Marvel Swarm kind of

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<v Speaker 2>stands as an attempt to take the inhuman intelligence of

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<v Speaker 2>bees and put it in a human wrapping, something that

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<v Speaker 2>is fantastic and certainly fun, but in a strange way

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<v Speaker 2>a little easier to fathom. While it's impossible to truly

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<v Speaker 2>know what it is to be another organism, much less

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<v Speaker 2>a honey bee or a swarm of honey bees, fantastic

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<v Speaker 2>treatments such as swarm allow us to imagine our way

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit closer to the reality. All right, Next

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<v Speaker 2>on the list, puff Adder. I recently picked up a

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<v Speaker 2>kind of ragged copy of the Official Handbook of the

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<v Speaker 2>Marvel Universe, Master Edition from I believe nineteen ninety, though

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<v Speaker 2>this also might have been a reprint from years later.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not entirely certain, but it's filled with various Marvel characters,

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<v Speaker 2>from the famous to the obscure, each with profile data

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<v Speaker 2>and standardized character illustrations in this kind of glorious retro style.

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<v Speaker 2>Amid all the capes and tights, and there are a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of tights, there are some gloriously weird entries in

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<v Speaker 2>the book. There's the spiky faced skeleton man terror Ink,

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<v Speaker 2>with his ability to steal limbs and attach them to

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<v Speaker 2>his own body. I was also fascinated by Quasu Modo

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<v Speaker 2>or Quasi Motivational destruct Organism. He is a super powered

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<v Speaker 2>cyborg hunchback, and presumably he's quite motivational. But in this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to focus in on the villain puff Adder

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<v Speaker 2>real name Gordo Freeley and apparently a native of Atlanta. Physically,

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<v Speaker 2>he appears to be a very large, muscular man in

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<v Speaker 2>a snake costume. He is a mutant in the Marvel comics,

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<v Speaker 2>with the ability to engorge his entire epidermis with blood,

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<v Speaker 2>thus making himself appear more powerful and menacing. Now, he's

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<v Speaker 2>already a very capable fighter with enhanced strength, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>curious that his mutant ability doesn't seem to actually boost

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<v Speaker 2>his fighting power in the way that many other mutant

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<v Speaker 2>powers do. Instead, it just allows him to better bluff

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<v Speaker 2>and better intimidate. Oh and he also has another weapon,

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<v Speaker 2>a noxious gas canister in the mouth like cowl of

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<v Speaker 2>his snake mask. His namesake is, of course, the puff

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<v Speaker 2>At or Snake consisting of several species native to Africa

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<v Speaker 2>in parts of the Saudi Arabian Peninsula. The snake in

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<v Speaker 2>question is able to puff itself up to look larger

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<v Speaker 2>as a predator deterrent, and it does this by inflating

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<v Speaker 2>its body with air and then hissing loudly. And like

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<v Speaker 2>the Marvel character, the snake can also back up that threat.

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<v Speaker 2>It packs a powerful venomous bite, and the force of

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<v Speaker 2>its strikes alone is enough to kill small prey. Various

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<v Speaker 2>natural world creatures make themselves look bigger as a defensive

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<v Speaker 2>or mating display. Some the imposturing or the manipulation of

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<v Speaker 2>fur or feathers, while others actually inflate tissues with air, water,

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<v Speaker 2>or blood. These actions also frequently enhance the colors or

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<v Speaker 2>patterns of such a display as well. While Gordo's mutant

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<v Speaker 2>ability may appear at first to buck the general theme

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<v Speaker 2>we see in comic book Superpowers, it's certainly in keeping

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<v Speaker 2>with actual real world involved adaptations. There is a survival

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<v Speaker 2>advance in not actually having to fight a predator or competitor,

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<v Speaker 2>and the same holds true with not having to fight

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<v Speaker 2>every X man or avenger you encounter. On the pages

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<v Speaker 2>of Marvel Comics. All right, it's ted time, because next

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<v Speaker 2>we have man Thing. Let us return to the pages

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<v Speaker 2>of Marvel Comics to consider a true monster. Man Thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not to be confused with DC's swamp Thing, but

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<v Speaker 2>he stands as something of his spiritual twin sibling. So

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<v Speaker 2>both man Thing and swamp Thing are hybrid swamp based

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<v Speaker 2>humanoids created through an explosive collision of humanity, mad science,

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<v Speaker 2>and swamp water. Both characters hit the comics for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time in nineteen seventy one. However, most commentators see

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<v Speaker 2>to see it merely as coincidence and point to various

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<v Speaker 2>differences in the characters. Plus Marvel's walking swamp creature The

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<v Speaker 2>Heap predates both of them, dating back to the early

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen forties, as does the muck monster It from Street

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<v Speaker 2>and Smith Comics. Still, these various swamp beings become linked.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a kinship, and you'll even find a panel

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<v Speaker 2>in Alan Moore's swamp Thing run visually suggesting kinship between

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<v Speaker 2>swamp Thing, man Thing, the Heap, and others. But I've

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<v Speaker 2>already talked about swamp Thing on the Monster Fact, so

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<v Speaker 2>let's get serious about man Thing. As pointed out by

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<v Speaker 2>Kelly Knox in the book Monsters Creatures of the Marvel Universe.

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<v Speaker 2>Man Thing started off with a human scientist named Ted Sallas. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>like a lot of Marvel comic books, scientists, Ted worked

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<v Speaker 2>on super soldier serums, at least until enemies tried to

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<v Speaker 2>take it from him. Ted then injected himself with the

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<v Speaker 2>serum and acidentally wrecked his car in the Everglades and

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<v Speaker 2>was also exposed to extra dimensional forces in the process.

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<v Speaker 2>So what emerged from the swamp was neither man nor Thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but Manthing, a humanoid swamp creature that would become the

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<v Speaker 2>guardian of the Nexus of Reality, where science and magic converge.

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<v Speaker 2>Man Thing boasts incredible strength and can throw down with

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<v Speaker 2>the toughest of physical opponents, but some of his most

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<v Speaker 2>impressive powers are due to his empathy. Man Thing is

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<v Speaker 2>so empathic that negative emotions in others can cause him

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<v Speaker 2>physical pain and distress, especially when he senses fear. This

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<v Speaker 2>will also cause him to lash out violently at individuals

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<v Speaker 2>in the throes of fear and lay his burning hands

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<v Speaker 2>upon them. Man Thing's burning hands are a fascinating superpower,

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<v Speaker 2>brought to life most wonderfully in the twenty twenty two

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<v Speaker 2>MCU Werewolf by Night Special, which captures it as a

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<v Speaker 2>kind of holy fire that in sinnenerates Ted's victims. On

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<v Speaker 2>one level, this seems to be just another version of

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<v Speaker 2>various magical tales in which creatures feed off of fear

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<v Speaker 2>or sense fear in others, as if it is an

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<v Speaker 2>actual energy or a quantifiable substance. Man Thing's abilities, however,

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<v Speaker 2>are frequently explained in terms of chemistry. NOx attributes his

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<v Speaker 2>burning touch to chemicals in man Thing's body and sumeric

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<v Speaker 2>and wallace in marvel anatomy. The authors here presume that

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<v Speaker 2>this chemical secretion is something akin to sulphuric acid, that

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<v Speaker 2>it's excreted through man Thing's pores. I suppose we might

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<v Speaker 2>compare this ability to these self defensive secretions of various

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<v Speaker 2>natural world organisms, and given man Things plant based physiology,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to acknowledge that certain plants do secrete acidic

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<v Speaker 2>substances through their roots, in some cases to dissolve rocky

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<v Speaker 2>soil and in other cases to eradicate competition. But what

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<v Speaker 2>about this notion that a monster like man Thing, or

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<v Speaker 2>even ant natural world organism can quote sense fear. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a common trope but is there anything to it. Certainly

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<v Speaker 2>there is no true sixth sense for fear in which

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<v Speaker 2>humans or other animals can tap into an otherwise invisible

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<v Speaker 2>video game fear meter. Fear, like other human defined emotional states,

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<v Speaker 2>is hard to quantify in animals and subject to human

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<v Speaker 2>testing bias, as Ralph Adolf's discussed in the twenty thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>Current Biology article The Biology of Fear. Some argue that

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<v Speaker 2>fear is a mere psychological construct and something we can't

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<v Speaker 2>apply to animals as we cannot truly know their minds.

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<v Speaker 2>On the other hand, neuroimaging and rodents would seem to

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<v Speaker 2>reveal a clear fear network in their brains at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Stressed a distinction to be made between the conscious human

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<v Speaker 2>feeling of being afraid and fear as a functional state

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<v Speaker 2>of an organism. This state exists in relation to fear

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<v Speaker 2>inducing stimuli, which for humans releast can be in the

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<v Speaker 2>present past or in imagined future, and induces fearful behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>Fear in both cognition and behavior is largely adaptive, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's because fear can help us survive, though of course

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<v Speaker 2>all of this can become maladaptive as well. Now. Man

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<v Speaker 2>Thing's relation to fear is interesting in light of all this.

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<v Speaker 2>He acutely fears the effects of another organism's fear, but

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<v Speaker 2>the source of his own emotional distress in this scenario

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<v Speaker 2>is not the fear inducing stimuli that caused the original distress,

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<v Speaker 2>but the distressed organism itself, which he may then incinerate

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<v Speaker 2>with his burning hands due to a fear response chemical

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<v Speaker 2>secretion in his own body. So there's a lot to

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<v Speaker 2>unpact there. But hey, still a pretty great swamp monster

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm always down for a cool swamp monster. Finally,

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<v Speaker 2>let us explore the curious skin of Colossus. I've been

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<v Speaker 2>plowing through old episodes of The X Men, the animated

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<v Speaker 2>series from the nineties with my son in anticipation of

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<v Speaker 2>eventually diving into the X Men ninety seven series. This

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<v Speaker 2>show is a lot of fun, packs a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>nostalgia for me, and leads to some interesting conversations with

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<v Speaker 2>my son about the various themes. Some of our favorite

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<v Speaker 2>characters include Rogue and Wolverine, but Colossus is always a

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<v Speaker 2>treat as well. If you're not familiar with this particular mutant,

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about Russian X Men Peter resputant An already

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<v Speaker 2>intimidatingly muscular man who is able at will to assume

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<v Speaker 2>an impenetrable steel form. Sometimes, as in his Marvel dot

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<v Speaker 2>Com profile, Colossus's transformation is said to convert his entire

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<v Speaker 2>body into an organic steel like substance. The transformation is

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<v Speaker 2>interpreted as something that occurs only at the dermal level,

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<v Speaker 2>so only at the skin level. Either way, the transformation

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<v Speaker 2>generally looks as if a segmented stainless steel coating flows

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<v Speaker 2>over his entire body. We're going to approach it here

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<v Speaker 2>as a dermal transformation because the idea of a full

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<v Speaker 2>body transformation leaves us less room to wonder over the

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<v Speaker 2>scientific details of the feet. But just the idea alone

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<v Speaker 2>has always been a captivating one, because here is Peter Resputen,

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<v Speaker 2>a powerful but peaceful man who would far rather pursue

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<v Speaker 2>art than conflict, but who for the greater good can

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<v Speaker 2>literally grow the thickest, most impenetrable skin imaginable to throw

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<v Speaker 2>down against adversity. For Colossus, this might mean the grasping

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<v Speaker 2>tentacles of Omega Red, always a favorite of mine, or

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<v Speaker 2>the machinations of the Shadow King. Once the threat is

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<v Speaker 2>dealt with, Peter reverts to his normal form and continues

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<v Speaker 2>on in his peaceful creative pursuits. Lynn Ween and Dave

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<v Speaker 2>Cockrum created Colosses back in nineteen seventy five, and he

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<v Speaker 2>remains a popular character to this day. So how might

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<v Speaker 2>we think about Colossus from a scientific and biological standpoint?

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<v Speaker 2>Turning once more to marvel anatomy by Mark Sumerac and

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Wallace, the authors here discuss his ability in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of a transmutation of his dermal layers or skin, into

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<v Speaker 2>an organic steel, with his underlying body retaining its flesh

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<v Speaker 2>and blood form. Their explanation details a process by which

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<v Speaker 2>each individual's skin cell draws on metallic extra dimensional mass

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<v Speaker 2>to become an activated organic steel cell. So, in other words,

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<v Speaker 2>each cell of Colossus's dermal layer coats itself in biological

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<v Speaker 2>metallic material, and this translates into the transformation of the

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<v Speaker 2>entire epiderma, but at the cellular level. Thus, his mobility

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<v Speaker 2>is not compromised, and his already incredible baseline strength no

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<v Speaker 2>doubt helps out as well. Now, by this explanation, we

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<v Speaker 2>may not be dealing exactly with something like steel shutters

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<v Speaker 2>from nowhere flowing over his entire body, but that metallic

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<v Speaker 2>cellular coding has to come from somewhere if we're to

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<v Speaker 2>adhere to the law of conservation of mass, and the

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<v Speaker 2>answer they provide is that the ability draws on another

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<v Speaker 2>spatial dimension. That's where the metal comes from. And okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that works for me. Now. I also ran across an

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<v Speaker 2>excellent twenty eighteen paper in the journal Advances in Physiology

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<v Speaker 2>Education titled the Physiology of Impenetrable Skin Colossus of the

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<v Speaker 2>x Men by Barry W. Fitzgerald. His whole point is

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<v Speaker 2>the Colossus is a great example of how a fictional

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<v Speaker 2>character can promote multidisciplinary scientific discussion in a classroom. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to summarize everything Atzgerald has to say,

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<v Speaker 2>but he makes some great points about Colossus and thermoregulation. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to think about what human skin does for

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<v Speaker 2>the body and how that might be impacted by a

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<v Speaker 2>shift into a steel form. One key area of concern

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<v Speaker 2>is thermoregulation of body temperature, which the skin plays a

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<v Speaker 2>role in via such responses as vasodilation, vassal constriction, and

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<v Speaker 2>of course sweating. Can Colossus his steel skin do any

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<v Speaker 2>of this well? The author here contends that his body's

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<v Speaker 2>ability to thermo regulate would be severely impacted via this

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<v Speaker 2>steel or organic steel, or otherwise metal coating, and specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>during a heated battle, he would simply overheat. He wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be much good battling the Juggernaut if he passes out

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<v Speaker 2>from overheating just a few minutes into the struggle. Fitzgerald

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<v Speaker 2>isn't here to yuck everyone's young, though, with science he

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<v Speaker 2>presents a possible path forward. Perhaps he says Colossus's organic

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<v Speaker 2>steel skin is actually graphene due to its protective capability

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<v Speaker 2>and its biocompatibility. It's carbon after all, like we are,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's super thin, consisting of a single layer of

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<v Speaker 2>atoms arranged in a hexagonal lattice nanostructure. This biographene honeycomb

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<v Speaker 2>lattice layer hypothesis would therefore solve a number of the

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<v Speaker 2>key problems with Peter's mutant power, from thermoregulation to mass conservation.

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<v Speaker 2>The layer would swiftly form via protein folding and self assembly,

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<v Speaker 2>and bam, Colossus is ready for action. I highly recommend

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<v Speaker 2>checking out Fitzgerald's paper here of the topic interest you

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<v Speaker 2>in or out of the classroom, because hey, presumably Colossus

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<v Speaker 2>is headed back into theaters and back into action this

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<v Speaker 2>summer in the next Deadpool movie. So it's a perfect

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<v Speaker 2>time to embrace both science and mutant powers. All right, everyone,

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