1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford sitting next to my trusted colleague 3 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: West Hodkowitz. Were coming to you here from our studios 4 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: at lambeau Field West. It's Friday, our final show of 5 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: the week leading up to Packers Raiders Sunday noon Central 6 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: time kickoff at lambeau Field. So it's Keys to Victory Day. 7 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: Packers only play the Raiders once every four years. These 8 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: uncommon opponents, sometimes it's hard to really gauge what exactly 9 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: it's going to take. And certainly with the injuries that 10 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: are going on with the Packers this week, and some 11 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: for the Raiders too for that matter, but certainly with 12 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: Green Bay on the offensive side of the ball, where 13 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: do you start with this one? As far as what 14 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: will be the key to coming out victorious here, it's 15 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: really simple to me, Mike. This might be my simplest 16 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: one of the entire season. I just feel like, if 17 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers takes control of this game, the Packers win. 18 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: I honestly feel like it's that I don't want to 19 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: say easy. Nothing's ever easy in this league, but I 20 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: think there's a very direct line between where the Packers 21 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: stand today and where they want to get to by 22 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: Sunday night, and it comes down to how Aaron Rodgers 23 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: manages this offense and whatever weapons he's going to have 24 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: around him. At the time with which we're taping this, 25 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: we don't have the injury report yet. We're not exactly 26 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: sure what the Packers are going to decide to do 27 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: with those top three receivers. But even if one or 28 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: two of them go, you imagine they're going to be 29 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: dealing with some significant, not significant, but some hindrances. So 30 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: when you look at Alan Lazard and Jake Kumero, Darius Shephard, 31 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: Ryan Grant coming in the building on Wednesday, those could 32 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: very easily be your top four wide receivers in this matchup, 33 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: So making sure you get the most out of them, 34 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: but also utilizing your running backs, your tight ends. That's 35 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: what I think Aaron Rodgers has been such a brilliant 36 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: maestro the last two weeks, is making all of these 37 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: pieces fit together. There this Oakland Raiders defense. I don't 38 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: want to diminish him. We certainly talked about him in 39 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: our preview. They just don't do a lot of things 40 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: that jump off the page. The way that they're winning 41 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: right now is controlling the game, game management situations, time 42 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: of the clock, and a lot of that relies on 43 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: the offense. So I think if the Packers take care 44 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: of business with Aaron Rodgers against Oakland's defense, they come 45 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: out victorious. Well, a couple of statistics for that Oakland 46 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: defense that stand out are where the Raiders rank in 47 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 1: third down defense and in red zone defense, and it's 48 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: not good. They're in the bottom quarter of the league. 49 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: I'm not sure of the exact rankings, but they're in 50 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: the bottom quarter of the league in both of those categories. 51 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: And those are two categories frankly where the Packers need 52 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: to get well on offense. They need to start converting 53 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: more third downs and they need to be more efficient 54 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: in the red zone. Obviously, the one red zone possession 55 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: that they didn't get a touchdown, they were only trying 56 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: to kick a field goal last week. So I don't 57 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: want to lay everything on the statistics, but the Packers 58 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: do need to to perform better on third down and 59 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: in the red zone generally speaking, and this might be 60 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: a game where you can start to turn that around. Yeah, 61 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: and I think you've started to seeing it a little 62 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: bit too. I Mean, there was a real big narrative 63 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: the first two weeks of this season where Packers just 64 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: really weren't able to finish drives off, they were having 65 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: problems scoring points in the red zone. In the last 66 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: few weeks, I think you've really seen them get into 67 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: their rhythm now. A big part of that, I think 68 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: is really the production of both Aaron Jones and Jamal Williams. 69 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: I think you've seen them sort of you know, sees 70 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: the game in the moments and you know, be able. 71 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: And that's a credit to the offensive line to making 72 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: things work. But when the ball has been in their 73 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: hands inside the twenty, they've more often than not found 74 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: a way to score the football. And this is a 75 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: game that while Oakland has a top ten run defense 76 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: right now statistically, I still think there's gonna be opportunities 77 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: for both of those two guys to get going and then, 78 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: to be quite honest with you, getting back to the 79 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: receiver's really quick. You know, you get one big play 80 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: here from Alan Lazard, you maybe make another one here 81 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: there with another player. You know, Mercedes Lewis came out 82 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: of relatively nowhere last week to have two twenty five 83 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: yard catches. In those two catches alone had more receiving 84 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: yards than he had throughout the entire two thousand eighteen seasons. 85 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: So when guys respond in that way and Aaron Rodgers 86 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: finds them and plays in rhythm, which I thought he 87 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: did really well in that last game, Uh, good things 88 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: are going to happen for this offense. But yeah, I 89 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: think Jamal Williams and Aaron Jones has to be one 90 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: of the big starting points for everything. Well, my question 91 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: to you with regards to those two running backs. We've 92 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: seen Matt Lafleur with the tendency to ride the hot 93 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: hand the last couple of weeks, and now obviously two 94 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: weeks ago, Jamal Williams wasn't on the field, but the 95 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: Packers did have Trey Carson was made for them. Yeah, 96 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: but they did have Tray Carson backing up Aaron Jones. 97 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: But once Aaron Jones got going, it was his show 98 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: in Dallas. You fast forward a week later, Jones has 99 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: a fumble early in the game. He drops a touchdown 100 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: pass down the seam. Jamal Williams seems to be the 101 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: more reliable productive guy with some of those four and 102 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: five yard runs on first down, and he's the guy 103 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: who ends up with over a hundred yards and I 104 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: believe over a hundred and thirty yards from scrimmage when 105 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: you factor in the receiving yards. What's your sent Do 106 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: you have any sense going into this game of maybe 107 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: which is the guy or do you just have to 108 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: see what happens? A great question because coming off of 109 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia game, you know, it looked like, okay, well, 110 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: you know it's gonna be the you know Jamal or 111 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: I should say Aaron Jones, and then Aaron Jones goes 112 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: back to his home state, looks really good. And now 113 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: here we are with Jamal Williams stepping back to the forefront. 114 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: It's a really good position for the Packers to be 115 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: in because I think a lot of times what happens 116 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: with running back by committees or whatever you want to 117 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: call those type of things, it's because you really don't 118 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: have a guy who grabs the brass ring. I feel 119 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: like both of these guys have done it when they've 120 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: been given the opportunity. Now, I'm not going to try 121 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: to get in the XS and o's and tell you, 122 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure what Matt Laflour and his coaches 123 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: are trying to figure out which is okay, which one 124 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: of these thunder and lightning matches up better with what 125 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: Oakland does. Sometimes you just got to get into a 126 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: game situation, a game flow to figure that out. But 127 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: one thing I do want to say, though, to Jamal 128 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: Williams credit is he is incredibly consistent. And I think 129 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: some people in the past few season has took that 130 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: as a you know, a detriment or a slight. It's 131 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: really not. I mean, he's gone some odd touches now 132 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: without a fumble in his NFL career. He catches the ball, 133 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: he's sturdy and pass protection, he runs through the tackles, 134 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: and I think he finally showed his downfield explosiveness last week. 135 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: Jamal Williams is a really good running back man. I mean, 136 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: in a lot of cases where teams who don't have 137 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: an Aaron Jones on the roster, they'd be running Jamal 138 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: Williams every single play. I do honestly believe, and I 139 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: don't know how these guys feel about it, but you 140 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: know they have another year on their contracts when they 141 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: get to the end of these things. Neither one of 142 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: these guys are gonna be broken down and worn down 143 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: and have a thousand touches on their bodies for four seasons. 144 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: There's they This is I think, going to really make 145 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: both of their careers last a heck of a lot longer. 146 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: Kind of getting away from the original point, but I 147 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: guess you just gotta get in. You gotta wait and see, 148 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: and it's got to see how things developed. The one 149 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: thing I will say that is kind of interesting about 150 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: this particular combination. They do seem to get into more 151 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: rhythm when one is featured. This, doesn't you know they 152 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 1: when they do the tend carries ten carries, fifteen touches, 153 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: fifteen touches. It never really seems like both of them, 154 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: you know, have a big game or have big explosive play. 155 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: So I don't know how the Packers consider that. I 156 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: don't know how you weigh it, but that's certainly something 157 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: they have to, you know, keeping take into account because 158 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: both of these guys, when they get twenty five touches 159 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: in a game, can really make, you know, defense hurt. Yeah, 160 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: And in the area of ball security, it's worth pointing 161 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: out that fumbled by Aaron Jones last week was only 162 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: the second symbol of his career, So even though Jamal 163 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: Williams obviously has had none, it's not like this has 164 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: been a problem for Aaron Jones. He had the one 165 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: against New England last year on Sunday Night football, and 166 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: then the second one of his career was last Monday Night, 167 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: and that broke a really long streak for him too. 168 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: I think that dated back to even you tep of 169 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: how many consecutive touches he had without coughing up the football. 170 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: So certainly Aaron Jones gonna look to turn things around, 171 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: but even you go back and look at the performances 172 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: they had before that, he was having a hard time 173 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: getting traction and then he just kind of broke out. 174 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just the way this game is. It's 175 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: it's humbling and you just gotta stick with it. Well, 176 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball for the Packers, 177 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: a couple of statistics kind of catch my eye with 178 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: regards to the Oakland Raiders offense, and specifically I'm talking 179 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: about quarterback Derek Carr in that through five games, he's 180 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: thrown just three interceptions, not an overly large total, and 181 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: he's only been sacked eight times This Packers defense obviously 182 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: has thrived off of Saxon turnovers. That's been the name 183 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: of the game when this defense is at its best, 184 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: So it will be interesting to see just what the 185 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: Packers can generate against this particular quarterback. What I will 186 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: say though, is that the last time this Packers defense 187 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: did not have a takeaway, which was against the Philadelphia Eagles, 188 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: they came back the following week with three interceptions of 189 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott and very easily could have had five interceptions 190 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: of Dak Prescott in that game. Zero takeaways against the 191 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: Detroit Lions on Monday night, So we'll see how the 192 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: unit responds. It's funny, Mike, because the takeaway battle is 193 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: certainly one that you always have to take into account, 194 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: and I think we saw up until last week how 195 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: much it really does dictate who comes out victorious in 196 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: a particular matchup. The one thing that really strikes me 197 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: though about the Oakland Raiders. I said this to John 198 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: Coon when we're in the locker room on Thursday. They 199 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: are very high percentage with how they attack offensively. You 200 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: mentioned Derek her doesn't have a lot of interceptions here. 201 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: They just don't take a lot of chances they are 202 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: in some ways. I think it's their simplicity is their brilliance. Uh, 203 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: they're not going to try to just throw up fifty 204 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: yard passes every single time. This isn't your old Al 205 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: Davis Raiders with just speedsters on the outside and send 206 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: them down and throw it along by all means, get 207 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: that ball to Darius Heyward Bay we're getting to the 208 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: end zone. Right. No, it's not like that. I mean, 209 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: they the reason, you know, Josh Jacobs I think made 210 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: so much sense for them is because he is I mean, 211 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: they have road graders up front, and he's a guy 212 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: that can dictate the temple of a football game, and 213 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: they can move the chains. Waller, They're they're tight end 214 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: that's blossom the last few you know, this last few 215 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: weeks and then adition to him getting that extension, he's 216 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: just a guy that moves the chains continuously. He's only 217 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: averaging nine points six yards you know per catch. He 218 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: doesn't have a touchdown yet. So, like it's just I 219 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: think the way that they're structured is they want to 220 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: be able to win the time of possession. You look 221 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: at how they did it against Chicago thirty four or 222 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: thirty five minutes time possession. When they beat the Colts 223 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: thirty three and a half minutes a time of possession, 224 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: they were able to just take the ball out of 225 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: the other quarterbacks hands and find ways to win. So, yeah, 226 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: takeaways is going to be huge in this game. The 227 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: Packers turning that around. When they get an opportunity to 228 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: make a play on a Derek Carr ball, take advantage 229 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: of it. If you can punch a ball out, great, 230 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: But ultimately, I think it's really gonna come down to 231 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: who makes the most of however many possessions they are, 232 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: because if you're the Oakland Raiders, they're trying to have 233 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: his few as possible in this game. Yeah, well, when 234 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: you talk about the time of possession, obviously for the Raiders, 235 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: a lot of that is going to hinge on their 236 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 1: rookie running back Josh Jacobs from Alabama. The Packers seem 237 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: to get their run defense back on track against the 238 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: Detroit lines after a few questionable weeks as far as 239 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: the way things were going, do you have a number 240 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: in mind at all as far as what the Packers 241 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: need to hold Jacobs two, so to speak, or some 242 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: kind of a range where you'd feel comfortable with how 243 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: this defense is performing in this matchup. Yeah, because the 244 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: thing is he's gonna get touches. That that's you know, 245 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: he kind of like the Zeke Elliott problem a few 246 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: weeks ago. If he gets touches, you know, he's gonna 247 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: get yards. I just want to see it be manageable. 248 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: I want to see be at a three point four 249 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: or three point yards per carry clip where he's not 250 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: burning you for a big number down field, because I 251 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: think you know, if you follow them close enough of 252 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: this year, Mike, I mean, Okay, so they lost to 253 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: Kansas City. He had twelve carries for yards. The one 254 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: team that kind of neutralized him was Minnesota ten carries 255 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: for forty four yards. And if you as you we 256 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: both already talked about Oakland played themselves out of that 257 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: game in US Bank Stadium, so well, just that he 258 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: only had ten carries his game and he's your feature 259 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: running back. But now these last couple of weeks, you 260 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,359 Speaker 1: look at this twenty six for one, twenty three, seventeen 261 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: for seventy nine, he has a fifty one yard carry. 262 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: So it's not like he's not an explosive type player, 263 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: but a lot of his damage is done with a 264 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: high of sixteen with an eye high of eighteen, just 265 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: because of the way he carries people in the way 266 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: that those interior alignment blocked. Now, again getting back to 267 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: the injuryports situation, we don't know how this is going 268 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: to pan out here with Trent Brown and who's gonna 269 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: all be available for them at tackle, But inside that 270 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: is going to be an area where John Gruden and 271 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: this offense is going to look to go to work. 272 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: So if you're the defensive front, they had a tremendous 273 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: performance last week against Detroit. I think they got some 274 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: confidence back, got some of that that swagger and mojo 275 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: they were looking to get. Okay, now you're gonna see 276 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: a type of athlete here in Jacobs that's really going 277 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: to test that. And a big offensive line. This is 278 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: a different This is a different style size of offensive 279 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: line than what the Packers faced against Detroit. The Raiders 280 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: have built themselves big upfront, as you say, to control 281 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: time of possession, to try to pound the ball when 282 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: John Gruden when he wants to run the ball or 283 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: when he feels his team needs to run the ball, 284 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: he wants to be able to execute it that way. 285 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: Just line up and say Okay, here we come. And 286 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: that's what they built this offensive line to do. This 287 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: is where they kind of get a bad rap because 288 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: when you trade away Khalil Mack and you trade away 289 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: at Marie Cooper and you trade away these superstar type 290 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: players and people that you know are casual fans but 291 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: have Cooper on their fantasy football team are going to 292 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: raise an eyebrow about. Nobody really talked about the fact 293 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: that they invested heavily into the offensive line, to the 294 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: point that that is honestly one of their strongest positional 295 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: groups on this entire roster. Because so frequently Mike people 296 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: think of the quarterback, they think of the running back, 297 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: they don't really think about who's playing right guard. Raiders 298 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: didn't go that direction. I mean, they got Richie Incognito 299 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: out of retirement. They signed Rodney Hudson last year from 300 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: Kansas City. They have real legitimate guys in the trenches 301 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: that can move the football, and I think that is 302 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: what it's sort of allowed them to play the way 303 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: that they have this first half of the season into 304 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: their credit have three and two going into this game 305 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: at Lambeau. Yeah, well, looking at what else is on 306 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: the slate in the NFL in Week seven, there's a 307 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: big game in the NFC North and that is I 308 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: believe it's at Ford Field. I'm gonna look here for you. Yes, 309 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: the Vikings are traveling to Detroit, so Minnesota at four 310 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: and to Detroit at two, two and one. The Lions 311 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: obviously on the short week coming off of very frustrating 312 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: loss and the billboards of the referees in Michigan and 313 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: everything else that's been going on with that. But it's 314 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: a big game in the division because, um, both of 315 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: these teams looking at it from the standpoint of they 316 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: need to try to keep pace with the Packers who 317 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: only have one loss at this point, and the Packers 318 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: looking to go six and one if they can beat 319 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: the Raiders. So a key game in the division here 320 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: in Minnesota versus Detroit. I am sure you're gonna want 321 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: to talk about all these matchups, but I mean, I 322 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: think more than any other week on the schedule, this 323 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: is the biggest gut check for divisional matchups in the 324 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: NFL this week. Uh, just in terms of yes, you 325 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: have Minnesota in Detroit. I'll be happy to talk about 326 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: that in a second. You have the Bears having to 327 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: make a really big change here going up against a 328 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: team like New Orleans who have just been rolling through 329 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: people right now with Teddy Bridgewater as their quarterback and 330 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: that defense and that defense. So NFC northwise, there are 331 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: huge stakes this week. I think it's one reason why 332 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: the Packers look at this. You're at least gonna get 333 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: one loss. Conceivably, this is a chance to really create 334 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: some breathing room in the division. But you have Philadelphia, 335 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: and you have Dallas. You have Baltimore going into Century 336 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: Link against Seattle. That's a really interesting one as far 337 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: as an a f C NFC matchup. The Baltimore Ravens 338 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: going into Seattle really really intriguing ball game. And here's 339 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: the other thing, Mike, the New England Patriots are going 340 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: up against the New York Jets this week. I know 341 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: everybody's gonna say, all right, we'll see on Monday morning 342 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: at seven, And oh yeah, you were. You were laughing 343 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: about the Cowboys Jets being the prime not prime time, 344 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: But the three like National game turned out to be 345 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: a whale of a game because Sam Donald suddenly the 346 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: New York Jets look like a different team with their 347 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: quarterback if Sam Donald's down the field and everything's cool 348 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: with his spleen, I mean, that guy can play some football, 349 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: and that just shows you again how quarterbacks can change things. 350 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: I just want to get all that out there because 351 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: I think the whole steaks for this week in the 352 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: NFL are huge, the Minnesota Vikings going into Detroit. Here's 353 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: the thing where the Lions really gotta dig down deep 354 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: in this matchup, because I'm not blaming it all on 355 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: that loss last year against the Vikings, but I did 356 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: feel like Packers got that bad taste in their mouth 357 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: after the officiating against in that game, and it never 358 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: really seemed like they were able to wash it. Can 359 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: Detroit come out and get a victory at home against 360 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: the team and the Vikings that two weeks ago wasn't 361 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: looking so hot and just you know, get back on 362 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: the tracks, so to speak. This is gonna be a 363 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: real interesting matchup to watch from that aspect, and also 364 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: seeing you know, we saw the way that Detroit played 365 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers for better or for worse, they were not 366 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: able to really get the past and game going down field. 367 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: How do they handle Stefon Diggs Adam feeling in what 368 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: appears to be a very rejuvenated Vikings passing attack. Yeah, 369 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: that's the thing. And now we we talked before about 370 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: the Vikings took their show on the road and got 371 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: a road win against the New York Giants. But this 372 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: is a whole different type of road trip from Minnesota 373 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: here because quite frankly, their offense didn't look that good 374 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: when they came to lambeau Field in week two. Now 375 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: they're going on the road to face another division opponents, 376 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: so a big test there. But you also mentioned, obviously 377 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: the Bears against the Saints, really really interesting game. The 378 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: Bears still waiting to find out or at least haven't 379 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: announced yet whether Mitchell Traubisky will be back at quarterback 380 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: or if they're still going to go with Chase Daniel. 381 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: Big blow to the Bears though, that Achem Hicks. They're 382 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: big defensive lineman in the middle of that defense, the 383 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: guy who I thought really made that defense quite good 384 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: before Khalil Mack arrived. Achem Hicks has gone on injured 385 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: reserve and is out for at least two months. They're 386 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: thinking maybe he could still come back um towards the 387 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: end of the year, which maybe he'd be back. When 388 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: I was gonna say Week seven right now, right, yeah, 389 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: if he if he, if he comes back, his first 390 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: game eligible would be when the Bears play at lambau 391 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: Field in the middle of December. But that's a big 392 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: loss for Chicago's defense to to not have Hicks and 393 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: the Saints now taking their show on the road with 394 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater and that defense that has uh really clamped 395 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: down on pretty much every team it has played against. 396 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: Really really interesting NFC showdown that So the question was 397 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: asked an insider inbox. I don't know if you saw 398 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: basically who should Packer fans root for? And that yeah, 399 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: I saw. I answered that question as well. What is 400 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: your thought on that? Can you explain your rationale? My 401 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: my rationale? My rationale is that I just think this 402 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: NFC North, with all the teams involved, because all four 403 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: of them, I think are are still very much in 404 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: this thing and could be in this thing for a while, 405 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: that I think you just have to root to for 406 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 1: what helps you in the division first. And if the 407 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: Bears pick up another lass here would be their third loss. 408 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: I think that's good for the Packers, even if it 409 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: does mean the Saints are are six and one and 410 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: still sitting, you know, on top of the conference or 411 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: near the top of the conference. It's still just too early. 412 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: And your best path to making any kind of a 413 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: playoff run, whether you get a first round by or not, 414 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: your best path to a playoff run is to win 415 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: your division, because then you know, you get at least 416 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: one home game in the playoffs. And so I just 417 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: think for right now, the focus has to be on 418 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: the division, and uh, any team in the NFC North 419 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: playing outside the NFC North, you got to hope for 420 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: that division team to lose. If you're a Packer face yeah, 421 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: because the thing is you're gonna have plenty of weeks 422 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 1: that you can root against the New Orleans Saints, you know, 423 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: for the next two and a half months, just trying 424 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 1: to hope that, you know, the Packers, if they end 425 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: up being in a position to make the playoffs, win 426 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: a division to have a buy you know that they 427 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: would come through for them. There the divisional matchups though, 428 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: is we've seen Mike. I mean, these things can fluctuate 429 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: so quickly. And the other thing is too, is that 430 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: if the Bears would happen to beat the Saints, well, 431 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: then you have a Chicago team at four and two, 432 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: that's feeling pretty good about him. So yeah, I mean 433 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: there's a big difference right now between four and two 434 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: and potentially three and three, right with what Chicago has 435 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: been dealing with question and the Bears are coming off 436 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: of by and obviously they came back from London, a 437 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: tough loss in London to the Raiders, but had a 438 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: week off now to reset, still figuring out what's exactly 439 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: is going on at quarterback. But this is a big 440 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: game for Chicago, all right, I want to pivot very quickly, 441 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: just talk about Philadelphia and Dallas. How quickly the tables 442 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: turned though one of these you're talking about, how the 443 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: difference between four and two and three and three fields Philadelphia, 444 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: whose again come out of the gate slow, in Dallas, 445 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: who came out of the gate as fast as any 446 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: team could. One of those teams is gonna be three 447 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: and four. I know, who would have thought after seven 448 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: games that either the Eagles or the Cowboys would be 449 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: below five hundred. But that's the reality, because one of 450 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: these teams is going to be three and four after Sunday. Yeah. 451 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: And it's funny me because from Dallas's perspective, they had 452 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: some quote unquote jobbers early in their you know their season, 453 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: you know the job squad ww reference You probably don't 454 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: know what that is, but uh, you know, just they 455 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: had some Brooklyn brawler types that they were able to 456 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: beat up on get some wins earlier in the season. 457 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: Some Barry Horowitz is uh. And I think these last 458 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: three weeks. I don't want to say it's exposed them, 459 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: because I still think there's a lot of really talented 460 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: players on that team, but it's changed the narrative with 461 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: them a little bit now. The questions about Jason Garrett's 462 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: job security, You've come up a lot of things to 463 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: figure out there. I still Philadelphia is confusing me now 464 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: because I did think when they beat the Packers, and 465 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: that was a team that was much better than the 466 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: record suggested. But they are so inconsistent week to week 467 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: that when a team is talented but inconsistent, what does 468 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: that usually end up being? Like eight and eight, right, 469 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: maybe nine and seven as spart Stars Packers in the 470 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: early eighties, And that's that's where it lies. Philadelphia's defense 471 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: just is not good. It's just it is not good. 472 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: And offense, they have not been able to be consistent 473 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: enough the Eagles just got torched last week by the 474 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: Vikings and the deep passes to Stefon Diggs, and that 475 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: just makes you wonder, Okay, well, what are they going 476 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: to do against a Mari Cooper because of Marie Cooper 477 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: went crazy against the Packers with the double digit catches 478 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: and two hundred plus yards and all of that. So, 479 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: but the bottom line is first place is what's on 480 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: the line in the NFC East, because nobody in that 481 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: division as of this moment is above five hundre. The 482 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: best part is the New York New York Giants are 483 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: sitting there all right, Come on, Arizona Cardinals, you know, 484 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: coming to East Rutherford. We get this win. We're suddenly 485 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: a game out from the division. NFL is crazy, man, 486 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: quick thought. Ravens at Seahawks, who do you think wins out? 487 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: I really like Seattle right now. I just Russell Wilson 488 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: has playing at an m VP level as he's playing 489 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: really well. He has some really interesting weapons there. Defensively, 490 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: I think they've held up. It's gonna be a real 491 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 1: big test for Lamar Jackson. I just think they're not 492 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: as invincible is maybe we thought earlier this season. And 493 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: I just think right now, Seattle, Green Bay, New Orleans, 494 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: and San Francisco are sort of setting the standard here 495 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: early on and how to win team football. The thing 496 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: that impresses me the most about the Seahawks so far, 497 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: and I know we have to go, is that they 498 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: keep finding ways to pull out games right at the end. 499 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: They're in these close games, fourth quarter, they're down by 500 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: a score, maybe just up by a couple of points. 501 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: They keep finding ways to win, whether they're home or 502 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: on the road. You know, the home one against the Rams, 503 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 1: the road one at Cleveland, all of these tight games 504 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: and they keep coming out on top. And their five 505 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: and one. They've got another, a big home game against 506 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson will be an interesting test for that Seattle defense. Yeah, 507 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: and I think I look at Baltimore's defense too, and 508 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: historically they've been really good. I just don't I have 509 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: real big questions about whether or not they're going to 510 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: be able to stand up to the threat that Wilson's 511 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: going to throw it. Yeah. 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