Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Josh and for this week's select, I've
Speaker 1: chosen our awesome episode on Not So Fan Theories. It's
Speaker 1: a straight ahead, easy, breezy, beautiful episode and I hope
Speaker 1: you enjoy it tremendously. Let's go Welcome to Stuff you
Speaker 1: Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey, and welcome to
Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. I almost forgot who I
Speaker 1: was for a second. There's Charles w Chuck Bryant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's Jerry or is she really there? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't even know anymore, because it just occurred to me.
Speaker 1: We're doing a show on TV show Fan Theories, and
Speaker 1: we have our own little fan theory here that Jerry
Speaker 1: doesn't exist. Yeah, that's true. That's a fan theory which
Speaker 1: is sort of a common thread. And a lot of
Speaker 1: these is either like, oh, they were really dead or
Speaker 1: you know, or they didn't exist to begin with, right,
Speaker 1: And so we've heard from people for years to think
Speaker 1: that Jerry's made up. I love it, yes, because they're right.
Speaker 1: We're we're not saying no, actually, Jerry's totally real anymore.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it right now. So I was going
Speaker 1: through the internet looking for think pieces, essays on why
Speaker 1: people come up with fan theories or what about fan
Speaker 1: theories make them, you know, make shows better. Couldn't find anything. No,
Speaker 1: I think the answer is obvious. I think that's why
Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything, too. People just have time on
Speaker 1: their hands. That's not what I was gonna set an say.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that it takes something that's already
Speaker 1: pretty enjoyable and adds entirely new dimensions in depth to it.
Speaker 1: It takes something familiar and you can go back and
Speaker 1: rewatch it through different lens. Now. Yeah, and you have
Speaker 1: time on your hands, right, It's definitely not something that
Speaker 1: super busy people do, you know. No, And then I
Speaker 1: also was like, maybe I should just calm down. We
Speaker 1: don't have to explain everything. We can just have fun
Speaker 1: sharing fan theories. That's what we're gonna do. It's like
Speaker 1: a summer break one. Yeah, this feels like one of those.
Speaker 1: I'm we're both drunk, sure, pretty drunk, just kidding kids
Speaker 1: out there, We're just joking. Should we just get right
Speaker 1: into these Yes, some of these are going to be shorter,
Speaker 1: others are going to be a little longer, and we're
Speaker 1: just gonna kind of jump around, right, Should we start
Speaker 1: with the granddaddy or end with the granddaddy? Well, it's
Speaker 1: the granddaddy to you, um, say by the wall? No,
Speaker 1: do you like that one though? Yeah? And I thought
Speaker 1: maybe if I said it, Yeah, I think we'll start
Speaker 1: with say by the bell. I don't know why. I
Speaker 1: thought if I said it really fast, hopefully I would
Speaker 1: know what you're saying. We'll start with say by the bell.
Speaker 1: We'll finish with one that I know you're okay, cool,
Speaker 1: that's very um click baby, I know, but so one
Speaker 1: you won't believe the last one. One of the things
Speaker 1: that is really hard to do when it comes up
Speaker 1: when it comes to fan theories, we should say, I
Speaker 1: guess we should define A fan theory is basically, it's
Speaker 1: where somebody who likes a show says, hey, you know
Speaker 1: this show that you think means this or is about
Speaker 1: all this, it's actually this is what's going on. Almost
Speaker 1: all the time, it's just somebody's idea. But the part
Speaker 1: of the backbone of a fan theory is that it
Speaker 1: has to hold up in just about every circumstance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'll get one out of the way quickly. Is
Speaker 1: a bad example. Okay, Because to me, a bad fan
Speaker 1: theory is a murder. She wrote, she was really a
Speaker 1: serial killer because you know, you never found out what
Speaker 1: happened to her husband and all these people are dying
Speaker 1: around her. I like that one, yeah, but it's just
Speaker 1: too easy. It's not like to me, a good fan
Speaker 1: theory is one you can say, and this happened, and
Speaker 1: look at this, and what about this? Okay, about this,
Speaker 1: so I know what you mean, and yes, you a
Speaker 1: fan theory doesn't have to do there else it's just
Speaker 1: some schmo saying something somewhere. Yeah, but murder, she wrote,
Speaker 1: has a couple of things to back that up besides
Speaker 1: the husband, and the husband I think is whatever. But
Speaker 1: the point that I've seen here there number one is
Speaker 1: Jessica Fletcher is a murder author, a murder mystery authoress,
Speaker 1: and she murders follow her everywhere she goes. Right, think
Speaker 1: about the last time you stumbled upon a murder, Well,
Speaker 1: that's just called TV. Okay, So that's one thing, hold on.
Speaker 1: And then secondly, even when she travels, she stumbles upon
Speaker 1: new murders. But more to the point, in her little
Speaker 1: town of Cabot Cove, a population thirty five. Ye, a
Speaker 1: significant number of the say, two hundred and seventy four
Speaker 1: episodes of Murder, she wrote, took place there. If even
Speaker 1: two hundred of those murders happened in a town of
Speaker 1: thirty five hundred, yeah, it would be the murder capital
Speaker 1: of the world percentage wise per capita. So I see
Speaker 1: what you're saying by the fact that she's a writer.
Speaker 1: It's not like she's a detective. Like you can't say it. Boy,
Speaker 1: the eighteen we're always getting in these crazy adventures like
Speaker 1: they were hired to each Yeah, they were seeking it out.
Speaker 1: She just happens to be sucked into it, all right,
Speaker 1: she just happens to be there. Right. I've never seen
Speaker 1: that at TV show either, so that probably something to
Speaker 1: do with it. What never seen murder, she wrote, shuck
Speaker 1: because I was a thirteen year old boy, not a
Speaker 1: well sixty five year old person. It's even better now.
Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah, you're rewatching it. Oh yeah, it's on
Speaker 1: Netflix and I think prime wow. Oh yeah, man, it's good.
Speaker 1: Check it out. And I'm not saying, like, oh, murder,
Speaker 1: she wrote's good. I'm a hipster. I've been watching murder,
Speaker 1: she wrote for years and years now, pal, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't have a beard. No, but hold on, I think
Speaker 1: I want to extend this for a second. You raise
Speaker 1: a very good point, and I feel like I defended murders.
Speaker 1: She wrote with that same point that a fan theory
Speaker 1: has to have meat on its bones. Yes, it can't
Speaker 1: be an offhanded thing. It's prove what you just said.
Speaker 1: Prove why Jessica Fletcher is a serial killer? Well that's
Speaker 1: that they there's a couple of them. It's a little thin, granted, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's something to back it up, which makes it
Speaker 1: a decent fan theory. Not the best, but a decent one.
Speaker 1: The other thing is it's really difficult to pinpoint the
Speaker 1: origin of fan theories. Oh yeah, like who did this first? Yeah,
Speaker 1: who came up with this idea? What loser? Well, I've
Speaker 1: got one for you. So we were going to talk
Speaker 1: about the saved by the bellfan theory, and people are
Speaker 1: just like nervous with anticipation about that one. Now, as
Speaker 1: far back as I can tell, it looks like a person.
Speaker 1: A writer on the website Cracked Cracks website, a writer
Speaker 1: named um Man I lost their name Logan Trent in
Speaker 1: twenty and twelve wrote a post called Saved by the
Speaker 1: Bell a conspiracy theory. Um. Oh, so he originated this one.
Speaker 1: As far as I can tell, he gives zero credit
Speaker 1: to anybody else. And the way that the post is written,
Speaker 1: it really comes across like he is laying out his
Speaker 1: argument himself. All right, So it's possible. And if if,
Speaker 1: if you had this idea prior to twenty and twelve,
Speaker 1: and you're not Logan Trent, let us know. But I'm
Speaker 1: bestowing Logan Trent with the origin of the Saved by
Speaker 1: the Bell fan theory, which is one of the best. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and um, big shout out to Cracked in Mental Floss
Speaker 1: and our own article and who else is MeTV had
Speaker 1: a good one? Yeah, um Paste Magazine one. Uh, there's
Speaker 1: there's a lot of good fan theory articles out there,
Speaker 1: all right. So at long last, Save by the Bell
Speaker 1: and I like this one. And I don't I don't
Speaker 1: remember watching this show at all, what but I know
Speaker 1: these characters and the gist, so I had to have
Speaker 1: watched it at some point. You didn't watch Saved by
Speaker 1: the Bell. No, it wouldn't. That wouldn't in my wheelhouse,
Speaker 1: I guess not a little older teenage boy slash college Um,
Speaker 1: well they had saved by the Bell of college years.
Speaker 1: They just for you. But I do know these characters,
Speaker 1: so it had to have absorbed into me somehow. Okay,
Speaker 1: So here's the deal. Pre saved by the Bell. This
Speaker 1: I did not know. Um there was a TV show
Speaker 1: was it called Good Morning Miss Bliss? Yes, and it
Speaker 1: was unbearably bad? So he saw that too. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: the idea of this show is there's this boy named Zach.
Speaker 1: This is an Indiana that just Zach Zach Morris. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these Zach played by Mark Paul Gosler, Right, yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: this was an Indiana, of course, not California. And he
Speaker 1: was a troublemaker. And there was a teacher named Miss
Speaker 1: Bliss who was super smart and always thwarted him. She
Speaker 1: was what's the name of the lady who is in
Speaker 1: the original Parent Trap played the two twins Hayley Mills.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was her. Oh okay. Apparently, like Ben, when
Speaker 1: you signed a contract with Disney as a child, they
Speaker 1: own you for life. He has a couple of friends
Speaker 1: named Mikey and Nicky. They're always putting him in his place.
Speaker 1: He has a brother. His parents are divorced, and by
Speaker 1: all accounts Zach Morris and good Morning Miss Bliss is
Speaker 1: a bit of a schlub who's always sort of getting
Speaker 1: his come upance from other people. Yeah, kind of a loser. Yeah,
Speaker 1: basically the opposite of Zach Morris and say By the Bell.
Speaker 1: Did they ever say Zach attack just make that up? No?
Speaker 1: I think so. I think there's a T shirt even
Speaker 1: that said that. So flash forward and how many years
Speaker 1: later was this couple? So good Morning Miss Bliss goes
Speaker 1: off the air. I get the feeling it wasn't very popular,
Speaker 1: or they wouldn't have rebooted it as say By the Bell.
Speaker 1: They would have just you know, kept it going exactly. So,
Speaker 1: say By the Bell comes along. And now Zach is
Speaker 1: at Bayside in California. Right, he's mister everything. He's as
Speaker 1: this article points out, he's the most popular kid in
Speaker 1: school and excels in everything, sports, music, casual, racism, whatever. Right,
Speaker 1: that's that's the logan Trent swording. He's the Alpha and
Speaker 1: his circle friends Mikey and Nikki are gone. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: just gone. No explanation, right, And there's no explanation for
Speaker 1: any of this, like how he got to California. But
Speaker 1: it's it's the same character, right, it's the exact same character,
Speaker 1: but there are some huge, huge changes, Like at his
Speaker 1: core he is a different person. Actually, not necessarily at
Speaker 1: his core, but as far as how he's treated and
Speaker 1: viewed by his peers and everyone else. Yeah, he's the
Speaker 1: differences night and day. He's not a dweeb anymore. He's
Speaker 1: not a loser. He's he's a total winner. He's Zach
Speaker 1: attack has logan. Trent points out, like, um, if he
Speaker 1: were to miss a quiz, rather than fail, he would
Speaker 1: convince the teacher to hold a bake off, and then
Speaker 1: he would win the bake off by cheating like that.
Speaker 1: That was how like he went through life. And also
Speaker 1: very notably, his parents were no longer divorced, they were married,
Speaker 1: and he didn't have a brother. He was an only
Speaker 1: child and was beloved by all right, Yeah, he had
Speaker 1: I think Slater was went from his rival to his
Speaker 1: um sort of his pal, but his you know, his
Speaker 1: second Yeah, his wingman, right, Screech was around him both,
Speaker 1: but I think he was sort of screeching both, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and change much right, Yeah, his screech has always been screeched.
Speaker 1: What can you do? Bill? Stab you in the bar,
Speaker 1: all right, So what's the big reveal? What's the fan theory?
Speaker 1: So the fan theory is that Saved by the Bell
Speaker 1: is the daydream fantasy of Zach Morris who's actually living
Speaker 1: in India, back in Indiana at John Kennedy Junior High,
Speaker 1: and that the whole it's great man, and that the
Speaker 1: whole um, the whole premise of this this fan theory
Speaker 1: is revealed through the theme song, right, right, So in
Speaker 1: the theme song, the theme song talks about like how
Speaker 1: harried Zach is. Yeah, well it's all first person, right,
Speaker 1: but you assume that it's talking about Zach, because the
Speaker 1: whole show is it revolves around Zach. He's the narrator
Speaker 1: um and he's having like a lot of trouble, like
Speaker 1: getting ready and he gets out to the bus just
Speaker 1: in time to see it fly by, and the teacher's
Speaker 1: gonna pop a test and he knows he's in a
Speaker 1: mess and doggate all his homework and if you actually
Speaker 1: watch the show, nothing ever gets Zach. He's untouchable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So in the theme song it says, it's all right
Speaker 1: because I'm saved by the Bell, right, yes, which this
Speaker 1: fan theory suggests that once once he settles in it
Speaker 1: either settles into class and starts stage, or it gets
Speaker 1: home at night and starts dreaming he can go off
Speaker 1: to bay Side, where he's the biggest winner around. That
Speaker 1: is the bell. Right. So the fact that these lyrics
Speaker 1: by the time I grab my books and I give
Speaker 1: myself a look, I'm at the corner just in time
Speaker 1: to see the bus, and then eventually writing low in
Speaker 1: my chair, so she won't know I'm there, meaning the teacher.
Speaker 1: This all is Zach and Indiana, right. It describes a
Speaker 1: different person. Doesn't make any sense that these lyrics if
Speaker 1: you'd hadn't not known that that was a show that existed,
Speaker 1: and all you knew was say by the Bell, these
Speaker 1: lyrics don't make any sense exactly, but they do if
Speaker 1: it is all a fantasy in his imagination. Sadly, it
Speaker 1: also makes sense if you think that the producers hired
Speaker 1: the composer before they were really aware of what the
Speaker 1: show is going to be like, and that's what the
Speaker 1: composer came up with lyrics. Wise, yeah, it's not nearly
Speaker 1: as fun. Well. The other thing I like about fan
Speaker 1: theory is that they are almost not real. It's just
Speaker 1: fans having fun. Yeah, but I like the idea to
Speaker 1: imagine like some subversive writer that's like, oh, well, here's
Speaker 1: what we'll do exactly. It's all an elaborate fantasy of
Speaker 1: this Zach guy. I've got one other thing that the
Speaker 1: I think the Cracked article points out, if not someone
Speaker 1: else came up with it later. They pointed out that
Speaker 1: Zach has the power to stop time and address the
Speaker 1: camera like he breaks the fourth wall fairly regularly, and um,
Speaker 1: he can just stop time and move around within this
Speaker 1: frozen time, which also, I mean, that's a weird thing
Speaker 1: for somebody to be able to do if they're not
Speaker 1: in the middle of their own day dream, yeah or
Speaker 1: night dream. I love it, man, that's a good one. Um.
Speaker 1: And you know, things like Mikey and Nikki disappeared at
Speaker 1: one point, Kelly is in love with him and then
Speaker 1: she just is gone with no explanation. Yeah, people kind
Speaker 1: of pop in and out sometimes with no explanation at all.
Speaker 1: I think Kelly dumped him and then like all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, she's gone. And she was like one of
Speaker 1: the characters throughout the entire saved by the bell, right,
Speaker 1: and then she's just gone. Once she dumped Zack. He's
Speaker 1: he's Terry. He's really bad at school, but he got
Speaker 1: a fifteen o two in the SAT. Like all this
Speaker 1: stuff is like dream dream stuff. Right. Well, that's another
Speaker 1: point that Logan Trent makes is that a fifteen o
Speaker 1: two is literally impossible, Like you can't score a fifteen
Speaker 1: o two SAT. Yeah it's fifteen hundred right, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's all it's even more evidence that all this is
Speaker 1: made up, and by it apparently a not so smart
Speaker 1: kid man. So that's saved by the bell man. You
Speaker 1: want to take a break and then get get back
Speaker 1: to it. I think so I could do this all day.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, we'll go through a couple of
Speaker 1: quicker ones here. The Fresh Prince is dead. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: kind of really don't need to say anything else, do you. Well?
Speaker 1: In the the TV's theme song where he talks about
Speaker 1: getting in a fight and that's the whole reason he's
Speaker 1: sent to Bill bel Air, Yeah, the Fresh Prince of
Speaker 1: bel Air. It's a TV show from nineteen ninety ninety six,
Speaker 1: and the rap that Will Smith, the real life Will
Speaker 1: Smith actually plays a character named Will Smith, and he
Speaker 1: talks about getting in a fight and getting sent off
Speaker 1: to bel Air to get out, you know, to get
Speaker 1: him away from the rough neighborhood and what Philly West, Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: the Ford and raised. And so the theory is that
Speaker 1: he was actually killed during this fight, right, and that um,
Speaker 1: everything else is you know, his journey in the afterlife. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The cab that picks him up to take him in
Speaker 1: bell Air, the rare cab is supposedly God or some
Speaker 1: sort of um ethereal figure that's taking him to the afterlife,
Speaker 1: which is bell Air. His parents are like basically non existent,
Speaker 1: but they show up a couple of times. This is
Speaker 1: explained away by the fan theory as his parents visiting
Speaker 1: their son's grave. Right, it's pretty awesome. Yeah. And then
Speaker 1: um boys, the men apparently showed up at one point,
Speaker 1: but they were like a heavenly choir. Oh, I don't
Speaker 1: remember that episode. So that put all that together. Fresh
Speaker 1: Prince is dead? That's right. What do you want to
Speaker 1: do next? Should we do? Do the two of them
Speaker 1: from Gilligan's Island? Yeah? The drug one's super lame? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought so too. There's this one theory that the
Speaker 1: and this one's right, it's just dumb that mister Howell
Speaker 1: on Gilligan's Island paid Gilligan and the Skipper to take
Speaker 1: him out to see to do a drug deal, which
Speaker 1: is why he has a trunk load of cash. A
Speaker 1: trunk full of cash. Ginger's got a drug habit. Marianne's
Speaker 1: a federal agent. This just sounds like, you know, like
Speaker 1: someone smoked some weed and came up with like like
Speaker 1: someone said, hey, what's your first idea of what Gilligan's
Speaker 1: Island could have been? Other than what it was, they
Speaker 1: would a drug thing. Man. I think he nailed it,
Speaker 1: But there's a better fan theory for Gilligan's Island agreed.
Speaker 1: Gilligan's Island is Hell. That this, like The Fresh Prince
Speaker 1: of bel Air, takes place in the afterlife, but not
Speaker 1: in Heaven, in Hell, or at least in purgatory. That
Speaker 1: the Minnows shipwreck caused everyone on board to drown, and
Speaker 1: that in Hell, each one of the characters represents one
Speaker 1: of the seven Deadly sins. Ginger's lust, Marianne is envy,
Speaker 1: Professors Pride, Thurston, Hell of course is greed. Missus Howell,
Speaker 1: I've seen his sloth and gluttony seen that too. I've
Speaker 1: also seen Skipper as either gluttony or wrath. Wrath makes
Speaker 1: a lot more sense. And then Gilligan is sloth or
Speaker 1: is Satan himself? Yeah. And one of the giveaways for
Speaker 1: Gilligan being Satan, well there's two of them. One is
Speaker 1: that he's always wearing a red shirt. Oh well, so
Speaker 1: obviously Satan because Satan wore a red Rugby shirt. Right.
Speaker 1: And then he's always although it seems like it's always accidental,
Speaker 1: he's always thwarting their plans, like every time they get
Speaker 1: something something going to get off of the island, right,
Speaker 1: Gilligan is the one who somehow screws it up and
Speaker 1: they're stuck there again. So he's keeping them in hell.
Speaker 1: And this one actually has legs. Yeah, apparently. Sherwood Schwartz,
Speaker 1: the creator of Gilligan's Island, in a book, confirmed that
Speaker 1: they did. It was his idea that they did stand
Speaker 1: for the Seven Deadly Sins. Yeah, is that right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So there you go one of the rare fan theories
Speaker 1: that actually was true. And I wonder whoever whoever thought
Speaker 1: of that was like, no, yeah, I was right. Well
Speaker 1: that makes me wonder if somehow it got out or
Speaker 1: something maybe or he was retroactively just being like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I meant. Here's a quick spot from Star
Speaker 1: Trek one that I kind of liked. We'll do both
Speaker 1: of the Star Trek ones about that. Okay, um and
Speaker 1: Um on record is not having watched Star Trek Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean me neither. But in Star Trek six, the
Speaker 1: Undiscovered Country, the Undiscovered Country. Sorry, people are so mad
Speaker 1: at me right now, Trek He's yeah. Uh. And an
Speaker 1: ancestor of mine maintained that when you eliminate impossible, whatever remains,
Speaker 1: however improbable, must be the truth. And that was Spock
Speaker 1: in that movie. And the source of that was Sherlock
Speaker 1: Holmes himself, from the Sign of four, from an eighteen
Speaker 1: ninety book. And so the idea here is that Spock
Speaker 1: is related to Sherlock Holmes. It's a little weird, how
Speaker 1: about that? But I could see it. I mean they're
Speaker 1: both pretty rational. Yeah. Well, Sherlock Holmes he loved his speedballs.
Speaker 1: I don't think Spock was ever into those. No, he
Speaker 1: was more evolved. You know, Sherlock Holmes loves speedballs, though,
Speaker 1: don't you. I did not. Doesn't surprise me. It surprised
Speaker 1: me at first. Really. Yeah, So there's another Star Trek one.
Speaker 1: I love this one that Andy Griffith is the pre
Speaker 1: apocalyptic world that leads into Star Trek and this one
Speaker 1: is pretty awesome. So it's based on a Star Trek
Speaker 1: episode Chuck Mirie m Iry like Syrie but with an M.
Speaker 1: Yeah and um. In this episode, the Star Trek crew
Speaker 1: beams down to Earth and it's very obvious it's Mayberry.
Speaker 1: But it's like a poke post apocalyptic Mayberry. It's peopled
Speaker 1: entirely by kids. And the reason why it's people entirely
Speaker 1: by kids because some disease has broken out where you
Speaker 1: die at the onset of puberty. Yeah, and it's uh,
Speaker 1: well it is Mayberry because it is Mayberry. It's literally
Speaker 1: the same backlot that they shot both shows at and
Speaker 1: they just outfitted Mayberry to be post apocalyptic right down
Speaker 1: to like Floyd's barbershop. Yeah, but I think they just
Speaker 1: scratched out Floyd. They scratched out the f and it
Speaker 1: just said Lloyd. Oh did it? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think it's said Floyd's. Did it really? Yeah? Oh it's
Speaker 1: that on the nose huh. I think. So, Oh, this
Speaker 1: one's great. This is a great fan thing. Well there's
Speaker 1: another Part two that the kid who played Barney's cousin, Virgil. Uh,
Speaker 1: he actually appears in this Star Trek episode. What Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's full circle. Gene Roddenberry was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: come up with a fan theory. No one knows what
Speaker 1: those are yet, but I'm going to lay it down
Speaker 1: for him decades from now the internet comes around. I
Speaker 1: don't know what that is, but it's going to be something.
Speaker 1: I'm Gene Roddenberry. You know the beginning of Andy Griffith
Speaker 1: when they're you know, walking down to the lake and
Speaker 1: he skipped the stones on the lake. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: right in the Hollywood Hills, is that right? Yeah? My
Speaker 1: brother drove me up there one time and it's like
Speaker 1: this look familiar and he started whistling the theme song
Speaker 1: and I was like no, wow. He said yeah, and
Speaker 1: he's like the bat Caves like over there. Oh yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's sort of you know, killed my dreams. Well,
Speaker 1: the same with mash Too. That's like the Hollywood Hills. Well,
Speaker 1: like the mountains behind Malibu Rum when you fly into
Speaker 1: La you can and you're looking for You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I totally see that. That. What we're talking about is
Speaker 1: the helicopter in the opening montage for Mash Yeah, was
Speaker 1: like it's supposedly flying through Korea, but it's actually Yes,
Speaker 1: it's California where they're shooting, which is way cheaper to shoot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we shot. I mean I shot a TV commercial over there,
Speaker 1: and I think we talked about this before. There's you
Speaker 1: know one of the jeeps is still out there. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I don't remember that rusted out and overgrown with weeds.
Speaker 1: Huh and um. But yeah, it's like an old army jeep. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are a couple of little remnants. Jamie Farr still
Speaker 1: out there, like, hey, how you doing, Thanks for visiting.
Speaker 1: You need anyone today? Can I get a lift back background?
Speaker 1: I'll be I'm cheap. That's terrible. Is he still around?
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to know this. He's like my hometown's favorite son.
Speaker 1: Oh was he really from there? From Toledo? Yeah? Is
Speaker 1: that why they did wrote that into the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's always talking about Tony Paco's, which is a
Speaker 1: real place. Oh yeah, I knew all that, but I
Speaker 1: didn't know if it was. Yeah, I know, Jamie Farr
Speaker 1: is definitely from Toledo. Okay, well he saw they never
Speaker 1: let you forget it. Yeah, he's eighty two. Hey, Jamie Farr,
Speaker 1: godspeedzer Um what else we got? So? Um? This one
Speaker 1: is one of my favorites. This good one. Garfield, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: is dying alone in an abandoned house. Yeah, and everything
Speaker 1: that you've seen in all except I believe six of
Speaker 1: the Garfield strips, all of them that have been going
Speaker 1: on since nineteen seventy seven, is the hallucination of a dying,
Speaker 1: starving cat in an abandoned house. Yeah. I was way
Speaker 1: into Garfield. Yeah, Garfield was great, but the books Garfield
Speaker 1: and bloom County were my two biggies. I was never
Speaker 1: into bloom County. Oh man, I loved it. I did
Speaker 1: love Garfield, though, I mean it was a little bloom
Speaker 1: County is a little more advanced, I think, sure, and
Speaker 1: it's humor, which I still got. But Garfield was like
Speaker 1: kind of perfect for ten year Chuck. It was perfect.
Speaker 1: So what you're talking about is, in October of nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty nine, Jim Davis, the creative Garfield, said, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna put out six strips
Speaker 1: in a row that are not funny. No, they're actually
Speaker 1: kind of unsightling. Yeah, very bleak. And if you go
Speaker 1: and look at these strips you can find them online.
Speaker 1: Obviously it's Garfield alone in an abandoned house and it's
Speaker 1: really heavy. Yeah. Garfield wakes up in the first strip
Speaker 1: and no one's around and he's starting to get a
Speaker 1: little panicked, and then it just kind of continues on
Speaker 1: and his panic continues to build over the course of
Speaker 1: this six strips, and finally in the last one, I believe,
Speaker 1: he wakes up and John and Odie are there and
Speaker 1: everything's back to normally so happy. Yeah, but leading up
Speaker 1: to that point in strip like three four to five,
Speaker 1: it's it's getting a little freaky. Yeah, And again, like
Speaker 1: you said, there's nothing funny about it's not it wasn't
Speaker 1: intended to be funny. It was intended to scare. And
Speaker 1: the idea is is that what we're seeing in these
Speaker 1: six strips or the actual reality of Garfield and that
Speaker 1: everything else he finally manages to go back to is
Speaker 1: basically dying fever dream. Yeah. Feature John and Odie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but well they disappear though in that strip too at
Speaker 1: the end. Yeah, like they appear and then like he
Speaker 1: goes to give him food and then they like disappear
Speaker 1: and he's alone again at the end of that sixth strip. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh okay, So he's hallucinated them and then is alone,
Speaker 1: okay and abandoned. So that's why okay, right, So then
Speaker 1: that backs up that whole idea that yeah, they're just
Speaker 1: a hallucination because they're demonstrated as an hallucination in that
Speaker 1: sixth series strip. Yeah, and he's six strips series. That
Speaker 1: was his intent was very much to do something sad
Speaker 1: and different, and I think he heard quite a bit
Speaker 1: from the fans like what is going on? Right, And
Speaker 1: then apparently he kind of laughed at the idea when
Speaker 1: someone said, Hey, you realize what people think, that this
Speaker 1: is all a big hallucination, like every other strip you've
Speaker 1: drawn as a hallucination of this dying cat. And he
Speaker 1: laughed about it. But like, what what else were people
Speaker 1: supposed to think? Yeah, that he just got really heavy
Speaker 1: and weird for six strips. And I think the other
Speaker 1: thing that was so off putting about it too, is
Speaker 1: it resolves or there is no resolution. I think on
Speaker 1: that that seventh day, the Sunday one just picks up
Speaker 1: like everything's totally normal, and it never saw, which makes
Speaker 1: it even more unsettling. Yeah, and then Chuck, there's a
Speaker 1: there's a clear I don't know if it was a
Speaker 1: reference to it or coincidence or whatever, but there's this
Speaker 1: um animated movie called Allegro non Tropo and there's a
Speaker 1: segment in it, what's the name of the segment, valse
Speaker 1: triste about a cat that turns out to be a
Speaker 1: ghost cat. Have you ever seen it? No, it's very good.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, haunting. But it sort of parallels this Garfield
Speaker 1: story very much. So, whether or not was purposeful, we
Speaker 1: don't know that part, right, or did Jim Davis like
Speaker 1: discount that too. I've never heard whether or not he
Speaker 1: discounts that. Yeah, but that's definitely go check out the
Speaker 1: Garfield strips. Just just look up like Garfield dead or
Speaker 1: dying or whatever, Yeah, and it'll bring him up. But
Speaker 1: um also, just I'm sure it's on YouTube. Just look
Speaker 1: up vals va ls tres triste and it will. It'll
Speaker 1: get to you. It's very sad and you should plug
Speaker 1: your favorite thing ever, which is Garfield without Garfield. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's great. Yeah, which in that case, it was John
Speaker 1: who was just crazy and hallucinating right, Yeah, you could
Speaker 1: make a pretty good case that John was out of
Speaker 1: his mind when you take Garfield out any given strip
Speaker 1: and it's just John like, yeah, shouting out loud, like
Speaker 1: he's just like like putting his head down on the counter.
Speaker 1: Good stuff. Yeah, I forgot it about that. You want
Speaker 1: to take a break, Yeah, we'll take a break and
Speaker 1: go through another couple of quickies and then the big Daddy.
Speaker 1: All right, did you see this Breaking Bad one? Yeah?
Speaker 1: This one has spoilers for Breaking Bad and a little
Speaker 1: bit of The Walking Dead, So if you haven't seen that,
Speaker 1: tune out. But there is a theory that's actually, I
Speaker 1: think kind of cool because I love both shows Breaking
Speaker 1: Bad and Walking Dead, that the blue meth from Breaking
Speaker 1: Bad is what caused the zombie outbreak in the Walking Dead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm bad. Yeah, but I mean it seems like
Speaker 1: they're totally unconnected until you start digging in there. That's right.
Speaker 1: When you look at season one, the character of Glenn
Speaker 1: Hey shout out to Stephen Young, he's a listener. Stuff
Speaker 1: you should know. Yeah what up dog? Hopefully still is
Speaker 1: not anymore. He drives a Red Dodge Challenger in that
Speaker 1: first season, which looks kind of like Walter White's car
Speaker 1: that he eventually ends up with, and then in Breaking Bad,
Speaker 1: when Walter White returns that dodge, he takes it back
Speaker 1: and the managers. The dealership's general manager is named Glenn
Speaker 1: little Thin. The best one is it comes in season
Speaker 1: two if you ask me, yeah, I agree, you take it, buddy,
Speaker 1: Because why you didn't watch either one of these shows? No? No,
Speaker 1: I did. Okay, I saw all Breaking Bad and I've
Speaker 1: seen I can't remember how far I've seemed. Pretty far
Speaker 1: into Walking Dead. I'm behind him Walking Dead by like
Speaker 1: one season. Oh I need to go back catch up. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: season two, Darryl played by Norman Ritas, is um trying
Speaker 1: to take the fever down on tea dog. There's another character, right,
Speaker 1: why's it funny saying dog? So his brother Merle is
Speaker 1: m he is like this bag of drugs basically, so
Speaker 1: he looks through the bag see if there's anything that
Speaker 1: can help bring the fever down. And there is that
Speaker 1: blue crystal meth from Breaking Bath in his bag. So
Speaker 1: that's a good little hint, yep. And then before the
Speaker 1: zombie Apocalypse, Merle, his brother, was actually a drug dealer
Speaker 1: and he described in one episode, his supplier was quote
Speaker 1: a jankie little white guy who threatened him with a
Speaker 1: handgun and said, I'm gonna kill you. B word. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that very much sounds like Jesse Pinkman. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: only way it could have gotten it across more is
Speaker 1: if he'd mentioned fat stacks or something, right, that would
Speaker 1: have been like super on the nose though. So that's
Speaker 1: that's a pretty fun theory. It is obviously meth equals
Speaker 1: death everybody, that's right, especially Blue. Well. The one thing
Speaker 1: I didn't get was like, what are like all those
Speaker 1: people on meth? But then I thought, no, maybe just
Speaker 1: a certain amount. And then they infected other people with
Speaker 1: their zombie juice. Yeah, okay, I got one. All right.
Speaker 1: This is this is an old one, but I think
Speaker 1: it's a good one. The Flintstones and the jet Sins
Speaker 1: take place at the exact same time. It's a good one.
Speaker 1: That the Flintstones are not prehistoric, they're actually set in
Speaker 1: a post apocalyptic future. And you'd say that doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense, does it. The author, I think this came
Speaker 1: from mental floss points out why would some cave people
Speaker 1: create record players with whatever they had on hand? No
Speaker 1: one in prehistoric times knew what a record player was,
Speaker 1: But if you were living in the post apocalyptic times,
Speaker 1: you would want to be able to listen to records
Speaker 1: because they'd already been invented. Yeah, so you would figure
Speaker 1: out how to make a bird put its beak on
Speaker 1: a record and use that instead. Why do they celebrate
Speaker 1: Christmas in prehistoric times? Good question. Why Why does the
Speaker 1: music in the flint Stones any popular music has always
Speaker 1: like fifties, like English British invasion type of I forgot
Speaker 1: about that, twitch twitch Yeah. Why do they have a
Speaker 1: banking system? Yeah? Set up. Yeah, that's fairly complex, it is.
Speaker 1: Why are these animals talking? Well, that's just weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can like place that at
Speaker 1: the feet of George Jetson the The thing about the Jetsons, though,
Speaker 1: is supposedly they are living up in It's not cloud
Speaker 1: City or orbit City, which is supposedly built in the
Speaker 1: clouds above a small line, which is where the Flintstones
Speaker 1: live below the small line, and allegedly the thing that
Speaker 1: divides them really more than anything is income. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: the Jetsons are wealthy and part of the ones that
Speaker 1: can survive and live up in the clean air. The
Speaker 1: Flintstones are a part that have to scrape by with
Speaker 1: whatever they can find back here on Earth. Well, and
Speaker 1: that George and Fred mirror one another, and that Fred
Speaker 1: labors at this I mean, I don't even know what
Speaker 1: you call that, like a quarry, a quarry, yeah, with
Speaker 1: mister sleet, whereas George works at spacely rockets and it
Speaker 1: sess here in this article works for a total of
Speaker 1: about nine hours a week. And then robots and computers
Speaker 1: handle everything else that's supposedly how our life is supposed
Speaker 1: to be right now, but we're not doing it right.
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, and now robots are just stealing everyone's job,
Speaker 1: but we don't have anything to show for it except
Speaker 1: for joblessness, but the bad kind. Right. There was a
Speaker 1: movie called The Jetsons Meet the flint Stones, And in
Speaker 1: that very movie, George Jetson visits the past and has
Speaker 1: a little kind of a throwaway comment when he sees
Speaker 1: green grass, and he says that it's something he remembers
Speaker 1: from ancient history. Right, so that one kind of undermines
Speaker 1: the whole idea. Oh, I don't know, well, if he's
Speaker 1: saying that he from ancient history, Oh, I see that part. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like there was an apocalypse and there is no grass.
Speaker 1: But if he visits the past, I don't know. This
Speaker 1: is falling apart. Yeah, where we talk about it. It
Speaker 1: undermines that one. Remember the Great Kazoo? What was up
Speaker 1: with that guy? Yeah, well this is where stuff you
Speaker 1: should know is devolved too. Remember the Great Kazoo? What
Speaker 1: was up with that guy? The whole Christmas thing is
Speaker 1: weird to me that the flint Stones would celebrate Christmas
Speaker 1: when they were clearly supposedly before the birth of Christ
Speaker 1: as being in prehistoric times. Right, No, it doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense. There's a lot of stuff the Flintstones didn't
Speaker 1: make sense about. How about the Scooby Doo win I
Speaker 1: thought this was pretty great, Yeah, and not Scooby Doo. See,
Speaker 1: this is the difference between a good fan theory and
Speaker 1: a bad one. Bad one. Scooby and Shaggy are always
Speaker 1: stoned because look, they're bumbling, and they're always hungry for
Speaker 1: Scooby snacks, for Scooby snacks. Bad fan theory, good fan theory.
Speaker 1: Scooby Doo takes place after the world economy has shattered, right,
Speaker 1: it's great. Yeah, and there's a lot to it right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So the idea is that these guys are driving around
Speaker 1: and if you really look at the places that they visit,
Speaker 1: everything's abandoned and run down, always like abandoned amusement park,
Speaker 1: abandoned ski resort, abandoned everything. And not only are these
Speaker 1: places abandoned, they're they're populated did by people who are
Speaker 1: squatting basically in these abandoned places. They live in the
Speaker 1: abandoned place, and the bad guys are yeah, and they
Speaker 1: have no means to support themselves other than by carrying
Speaker 1: out these weird veiled crimes that they try to dress
Speaker 1: up as something other world they which suggests that their geniuses. Right,
Speaker 1: so very very smart people living in squalor and are jobless. Yeah,
Speaker 1: was this cracked? Yeah? So it says that out of
Speaker 1: the twenty seven villains in the original Scooby Doo Where
Speaker 1: Are You Run, twenty three of the twenty seven are
Speaker 1: motivated by monetary gain via theft, smuggling or land speculation.
Speaker 1: And like you said, if these people are geniuses, why
Speaker 1: are they you know, like I'm going to squat in
Speaker 1: this abandoned mansion so I can gain ownership of it. Right,
Speaker 1: It's all very strange. Yeah, and they point out that
Speaker 1: the talents that these people have are indicate a very
Speaker 1: wide variety of specific schooling. Right, Yeah, two were PhDs,
Speaker 1: two or three were PhDs. Two were lawyers, one had
Speaker 1: an ability to produce forged paintings, one could repair boats,
Speaker 1: one was a magician, it's a stunt man. So these
Speaker 1: are highly skilled, highly specialized professions that these people are
Speaker 1: trained in or capable of doing. But yet they're out
Speaker 1: of work and they're pulling off these very elaborate schemes
Speaker 1: rather than just having a job in their profession. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and even Scooby Doo, like when they go into a
Speaker 1: nice vacation spots, it's run down and abandoned. It's like
Speaker 1: Soviet level vacation spot. Yeah, pretty much. So I thought
Speaker 1: this was a great one. That was good. At the
Speaker 1: very least they had some reason to not just have
Speaker 1: it be like normal society that they were living in,
Speaker 1: and like they would you know, like when you go
Speaker 1: back and look at them, they were weird. Yeah, weird
Speaker 1: settings for shows really sparsely populated because it's anime, there's
Speaker 1: no reason to do that. Yeah, I could see if
Speaker 1: you were like, oh wait, not much of a budget,
Speaker 1: so we got to go shoot at this abandoned amusement park.
Speaker 1: But they, like if they are at a restaurant, they're
Speaker 1: almost invariably the only people there. Have you ever noticed that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a really empty series. It's cool. It makes
Speaker 1: it a little more haunting. I like it. Are you
Speaker 1: ready for the last one? All right? I think we've
Speaker 1: waited well long enough. This one is based on the
Speaker 1: television hospital procedural drama Saint Elsewhere, Right, which Saint Elsewhere
Speaker 1: If you watched it, or even if you didn't and
Speaker 1: you just are a fan of like famous endings of
Speaker 1: TV series, Saint Elsewhere was very famous for its ending
Speaker 1: in that also famous for having a bunch of like
Speaker 1: big stars earlier in their careers. Yeah, Howie Mandel, Denzel, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Ed Begley, Yeah, begs a lot of other people. But
Speaker 1: it very famously ended with um. At the very end,
Speaker 1: it showed a shot at the hospital with a snow
Speaker 1: falling and then you pull back and you realize that
Speaker 1: that was actually a snow globe held by a boy, right,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of mind blowing. It's like, oh my god, right,
Speaker 1: because again, this is real. If you watched er or anything, scrubs,
Speaker 1: what any normal show about hospital life? Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: about hospital life. That's what Saint Elsewhere was about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know it was weird and quirky, but it was
Speaker 1: it was about a hospital. So the idea of drama
Speaker 1: that the last scene of I think six seasons, yes,
Speaker 1: six years, one hundred and thirty seven episodes about a
Speaker 1: life at a hospital and the characters that inhabited and
Speaker 1: worked at this hospital. Yeah, the hospitals in a snow globe.
Speaker 1: This is totally out of left field, right, Yeah, make
Speaker 1: it even weirder. In walks who had up to this
Speaker 1: point been the director of surgery. I think Donald Westfall,
Speaker 1: he's the medical director of Saint Elsewhere. Yeah, he walks in.
Speaker 1: He's clearly not a doctor. He's dressed, he's not dressed
Speaker 1: like one. He's like a construction guy. Yeah. The way
Speaker 1: he's talking, he's super like blue collar. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: and he walks into the room where the boy holding
Speaker 1: the snow globe, whose name we will find out is
Speaker 1: Tommy Westfall. He is Donald Westfall's son in the series
Speaker 1: sant Elsewhere. Yeah, he had been on the show, but
Speaker 1: he was never like a big character, and he had autism,
Speaker 1: and in walks Donald Westfall, who's now a construction worker,
Speaker 1: and says he's talking to his own father. He's like,
Speaker 1: I don't get it, Pops. He just sits around and
Speaker 1: looks at that snow globe all day. I wonder what
Speaker 1: he's thinking in his head, which suggests pretty strongly. Yet
Speaker 1: everything about Saint Elsewhere all one hundred and thirty seven
Speaker 1: episodes took place in the mind of Tommy Westfall, this
Speaker 1: boy with autism, who was sitting there staring at his
Speaker 1: snow globe. Yeah, I mean, in fact, it's it's really
Speaker 1: it was even more on the nose than that. He
Speaker 1: actually says, I don't understand this autism thing, Bob. He's
Speaker 1: my son. I talked to him. I don't even know
Speaker 1: if he can hear me. He sits there all day long,
Speaker 1: in his own world, staring at that toy. What's he
Speaker 1: thinking about? Right? Like, they didn't need to say all that.
Speaker 1: They should have just to me, showed that and showed
Speaker 1: him coming in as a construction guy and maybe just
Speaker 1: looked longingly at the sun. But he's kind of like,
Speaker 1: you get it. Everyone so America is sitting there like what. Yeah.
Speaker 1: At the time, this is what nineteen eighty eight, I
Speaker 1: think when it went off, all of America was just like,
Speaker 1: what just happened? That's really weird. But then in two
Speaker 1: thousand and two it started to get even weirder, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: because there's a TV writer named Dwayne McDuffie, and he
Speaker 1: wrote a post called six Degrees of Saying Elsewhere and
Speaker 1: he points out, wait, everybody, if all of Saint Elsewhere
Speaker 1: it took place just in Tommy Westfall's mind, then that
Speaker 1: means that there's a significant amount of NBC shows that
Speaker 1: also are just in Tommy Westfall's mind. It's come to
Speaker 1: be called the Tommy Westfall hypothesis or the Tommy Westfall
Speaker 1: universe multiverse. Okay, Yeah, and it just spreads and spreads
Speaker 1: and spreads. And there's a really good this Paste article
Speaker 1: called Tommy's World, The TV Legacy of Saint Elsewhere's Tommy
Speaker 1: Westfall Universe is pretty much the definitive outside post on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it lays out a pretty good thread of how
Speaker 1: shows are connected. And since they're connected, that means that
Speaker 1: they're all taking place in the mind of this boy
Speaker 1: with autism, Tommy Westfall. Right, and it goes a little
Speaker 1: something like this. Some of the doctors from Saint Elsewhere
Speaker 1: went to Cheers one time. Okay, so that means Cheers
Speaker 1: is in Tommy westfall mine. Uh. Frasier was a spin
Speaker 1: off of Cheers. Check. That means Frasier isn't real. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're getting this. We don't need to say that after
Speaker 1: each one, due I think he early drives the point home.
Speaker 1: The John Larocquette show, um, which was actually pretty good.
Speaker 1: John Larrictt's great and that show was very underrated, but
Speaker 1: the lead character played by John laraic Kett was John Hemingway.
Speaker 1: He called in one time on Frasier's talk show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on Frasier he was one of the collins as that character. Right.
Speaker 1: So now John lara Keett's universe is in Tommy Westfall's mine.
Speaker 1: That's right. So on the John Larricquette show itself, they
Speaker 1: mentioned Yo Yo Dine as a company, a tech company, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And in Star Trek, Yo Yo Dine made technology used
Speaker 1: by the Enterprise crew Yo Yo Dine, right, right, Yoyodyne.
Speaker 1: So that means Star Trek is in Tommy Westfall's mind.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yo Yo Dine was also appears again in Angel,
Speaker 1: the TV's Joss Whedon's Angel. It was part of the
Speaker 1: I think he was a client of the law firm
Speaker 1: Wolframan Heart right Angel, Okay, and then Wolfreman Heart was
Speaker 1: representation to another tech company called whalan Utani which made
Speaker 1: tech on the TV show Firefly. Things are getting deep now, right,
Speaker 1: So now Firefly is in Tommy Westfall's mind as well?
Speaker 1: Then whyland Utani ship was in a spaceship graveyard on
Speaker 1: the series in Britain Red Dwarf Right, and then Bring
Speaker 1: it Home and then the Tartists is in the hangar
Speaker 1: bay of the ship Red Dwarf on the show. So
Speaker 1: that means that Firefly, Red Dwarf, and then Doctor Who
Speaker 1: are all in the mind of Tommy Westfall because all
Speaker 1: of them are connected back to Saint Elsewhere. And as
Speaker 1: the author of this paced article points out, this is
Speaker 1: a normal thread. Yeah, it spread to something like more
Speaker 1: than four hundred TV shows being implicated as being in
Speaker 1: the imagination of Tommy Westfall. Yeah. I think the last
Speaker 1: count I saw was four hundred and nineteen shows. It's
Speaker 1: so amazing, which you know, if they just get one more,
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it's a weed theory, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, pretty great. Tell him about John Munch though,
Speaker 1: he's like the all star character from Tommy Westfall universe,
Speaker 1: all right. That was Belzer's character on Homicide Life on
Speaker 1: the Street, right, and that was apparently a spinoff from
Speaker 1: Saint Elsewhere. It was related to it somehow, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think so officially related. But then Munch was on a
Speaker 1: bunch of different shows. Yeah, like his character, not just
Speaker 1: the guy who played him. Yeah, but he got He
Speaker 1: just popped up in different shows all over the place,
Speaker 1: not even a necessarily just on NBC. Oh yeah. He
Speaker 1: was on X Files and that was Fox, wasn't it. Yeah? Uh,
Speaker 1: Law and Order, The Wire was on the Wire, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he was on thirty Rock yea. So Munch is
Speaker 1: just sitting there since he was already connected to Saint Elsewhere,
Speaker 1: any show he pops up on, he's obviously in the
Speaker 1: same universe as Saint Elsewhere, which again is in Tommy
Speaker 1: Westfall's mine. So most of the television in the United
Speaker 1: States doesn't exist, come, you know, it doesn't exist except
Speaker 1: in the mind of a boy with autism who likes
Speaker 1: his snow globe. Back in nineteen eighty eight. I wonder
Speaker 1: how much of that was I mean, not pre planned,
Speaker 1: but zero from what I understand. Well, they clearly meant
Speaker 1: to show though that Saint Elsewhere was a figment of
Speaker 1: his imagination, right, But I don't think they even stopped
Speaker 1: and thought, oh well, thats too right, you know. Wow. Well,
Speaker 1: and then most of that stuff came after Saint Elsewhere too,
Speaker 1: So I wonder then if someone kind of ran with it,
Speaker 1: like if there's this inside Cabal and Hollywood and the
Speaker 1: w GA where people are trying to like I'm sure
Speaker 1: try these things together, so it's like putting a Wilhelm
Speaker 1: scream in yeah, which we did incorrectly, very tried, tried, Jerry, Well,
Speaker 1: yeah that was that was just that was in sys
Speaker 1: k jam yep uh you got anything else, no, sir. Well,
Speaker 1: if you want to know more about TV fan theories,
Speaker 1: you can go find them on the internets or send
Speaker 1: one in. Though, if you have one that we didn't
Speaker 1: talk about, yeah, a good one though we defined what
Speaker 1: a fan theory is ak so good one yeah, and
Speaker 1: nothing from Lost Yeah, yeah, just don't bother if you
Speaker 1: already said all that stuff. So since I said I
Speaker 1: already said all that stuff. It's time for listener mail.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this hidden Whiskey. Remember our live show
Speaker 1: in Vancouver we talked about the Canadian Club had a
Speaker 1: very special promo in the eighties where they hit cases
Speaker 1: of whiskey all over the world like a big scavenger hunt,
Speaker 1: and not all of that whiskey was found. Remember that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I remember. So. This guy, Chris Ortloff, writes in about that.
Speaker 1: He said one of them was hidden in Lake Placid,
Speaker 1: New York, a year before the nineteen eighty Olympics, and
Speaker 1: supposedly was never found. And a few years ago, more
Speaker 1: than three decades later, my mother picked up the trail
Speaker 1: when she discovered that it was possibly still out there.
Speaker 1: I love it. This guy's mom was like, what free whiskey?
Speaker 1: I think she was just like, sounds like an adventure.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just a kidding, you know. Maybe she
Speaker 1: wanted the free whiskey too. A fan of cryptic crossword puzzles,
Speaker 1: word games, and snowshoeing, the allure was too much for
Speaker 1: her to pass up. Well there you have it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Plus she really liked whiskey. She tracked down a man
Speaker 1: in Connecticut who had previously searched for it, spoke with
Speaker 1: customer service at Canadian Club even and with a couple
Speaker 1: of other leads. She spent months turning over the clues,
Speaker 1: checking current in historical maps, and hiking through the woods
Speaker 1: and fields around Lake Placid. I love this guy's mom. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I sat down with her a few times with my
Speaker 1: thinking cap on in hopes of unraveling the mystery, as
Speaker 1: did many of her friends and relatives. We have lots
Speaker 1: of research and speculation amassed as a result, and I
Speaker 1: was really kind of nervous reading this. I was like,
Speaker 1: she found it right, she didn't find it. Sadly, after
Speaker 1: all the effort and intrigue, we still have no idea
Speaker 1: where it is. Maybe some kids took it years ago,
Speaker 1: could be completely buried by leaves and twigs by now,
Speaker 1: or maybe it's still waiting to be found and someone
Speaker 1: else can crack the case, so to speak. Blame it
Speaker 1: on leaves and twigs. If you were any listeners want
Speaker 1: a chance of some buy now vintage Canadian whiskey, though
Speaker 1: for the very least and enriching walk through the Christine,
Speaker 1: Northern New York wilderness. The clues, as originally printed in
Speaker 1: the cc AD or as follows, and then he gave
Speaker 1: them to me, so you can just look that up
Speaker 1: in the internet. They're out there. It's really well, I
Speaker 1: mean I can't read them all. It's get out your
Speaker 1: Dakota pins, happy hunting, and do share one with me
Speaker 1: if you find it. That is from Chris Ortloff. Thanks Ortloff.
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