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Speaker 1: Yo, this qte Richardson and D Miles with the Knuckleheads.

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Speaker 1: We here live on location today at the NASCAR Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame. We got a tasting with our sponsor, Hennessy

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Speaker 1: and Us. We got a live conversation with Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame with Gary Payton, Hall of Fame of Alan Harveson

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Speaker 1: and current Hall star Kyle Lowry. We appreciate y'all coming

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Speaker 1: up and kicking with it.

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Speaker 2: Sponsor bout Hendsey. In my hood they call it yat.

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Speaker 1: This is cute. Rich and D Miles and Knuckleheads.

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Speaker 2: We coach a push up. That's when I knew. I

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Speaker 2: was like, I'm a rebel.

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Speaker 1: This is fact finder right here. This is a story

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Speaker 1: that people don't know.

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Speaker 3: Can't call me soft, and you can't disrespect where I'm from.

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Speaker 2: I did deal with a lot of losers and that

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Speaker 2: shit sucked. Now I got your crack.

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Speaker 1: We come from an authentic old jeek standpoint, but it's

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Speaker 1: always good vibe. Yoh, what a y'all doing here? I

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Speaker 1: thought I was just coming over to watch the game,

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Speaker 1: and you guys got a microphone set up in the backyard,

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Speaker 1: And okay, I liked it. I liked it. I liked it.

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Speaker 3: Hello, hey hey, cruising down the street in my sixth

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Speaker 3: four my Mike checking that's all.

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Speaker 2: What up? What up?

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Speaker 1: We appreciate everybody coming out. We got some great guys

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Speaker 1: just came to join us today. We really appreciate them

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Speaker 1: for being here. One of them in particularly, I mean,

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Speaker 1: everybody knows he's a huge icon. He's somebody that we

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Speaker 1: looked up to growing up. In his basketball game was

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Speaker 1: the Idol of ours and the other one is an

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Speaker 1: All Star, So he's absolutely doing this thing in the

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Speaker 1: league too, you know that.

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Speaker 2: But without further ado.

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Speaker 1: We want to announce Kyle Lowry and the Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame Alan Iferson appreciate, Show your Love, Show your Love.

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Speaker 2: And Philly connection. Man.

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Speaker 3: First off, we want to say, man, thank y'all for coming.

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Speaker 3: Definitely a big blessing man were launching this podcast. We

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Speaker 3: just wanted to show love to the players and just

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Speaker 3: show like a deeper stories, the funny stories, laughing joke stuff,

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Speaker 3: just sitting in the house and watch TV and talk

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Speaker 3: about So we definitely it's definitely a pleasure to have

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Speaker 3: y'all here. And first we kind of want to start off.

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Speaker 3: I want to throw this at Kyle.

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Speaker 1: This is inaugural question every time.

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Speaker 3: Who's the first person in the league to bust your ad?

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Speaker 1: You what you do? This?

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Speaker 3: Like, oh, man, this this is the league is real?

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Speaker 4: This man to my right, oh this is good. This

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Speaker 4: is my first year, my second year in the league.

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Speaker 4: And I was just playing. We was in Memphis. I

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Speaker 4: remember something happened and the referee. I was like, man,

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Speaker 4: which woman do I said? Referee said, man, you know

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Speaker 4: what you want? The hardest mother fis the referee there is.

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Speaker 4: I said, So I'm supposed to do ship stay out

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Speaker 4: his way. I said, I amos supposed to do that,

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Speaker 4: but you know, showed me the ropes and you know

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Speaker 4: it's a It was a lesson that I learned, you

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Speaker 4: know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Chuck the same question, who's the first person when you

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Speaker 3: got in the league that to give you them number

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Speaker 3: bust your ass?

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Speaker 2: And he was like, man, I'm here. I was a

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Speaker 5: Like, I ain't never had nobody bust my ass before,

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Speaker 5: not for real in my life. We played the Phoenix

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Speaker 5: signs and kJ gave me thirty nine, nine and nine

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Speaker 5: Kevin Johnson, Yes, and it was it was not off

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Speaker 5: athletic ability or nothing like that. It was just he

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Speaker 5: was just so much smarter than me. He just knew

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Speaker 5: how to play the game, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: I was just a puppy. I remember Mochis after the

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Speaker 5: game telling me like, you know, one day you gonna

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Speaker 5: get somebody thirty nine nine and nine, you know what

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Speaker 5: I mean. So, and I was actually crying in my lock.

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Speaker 5: I never got destroyed like that. Yeah, and that's something

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Speaker 5: that I'll always remember. But it helped me in my

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I always wanted to play for John Thompson, and John

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Speaker 3: Thompson was still coaching when I came out of high school.

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Speaker 2: Probably I would have went to Georgetown.

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Speaker 1: You know, he was gonna leave, he gonna get that money.

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Speaker 3: John Thompson was like, it was just something I felt

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Speaker 3: like I was the same type of player like AI,

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Speaker 3: coming from a bad environment, and I felt that was

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Speaker 5: I damn choice, Like my mom went to him. I

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Speaker 5: was recruited by everybody in the country, football and basketball,

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Speaker 5: everybody in the country. And then I got in a situation,

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Speaker 5: bowling out of the situation and.

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Speaker 2: It was over.

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Speaker 5: Like nobody recruited me, nothing, it was. It was all over.

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Speaker 5: And my mom went to him and said, if you

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Speaker 5: And he would say today that he did that for

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Speaker 5: my mom. But I know it had something to do

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Speaker 5: with my talent.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, Kyle, what made you choose Villanova?

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Speaker 2: I ain't eat him.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, four against George, turning my career,

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Speaker 4: so you know I got something. I got some over.

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Speaker 4: It shot some over, you know what I'm saying. But

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Speaker 4: I think it was home, man. It was home being

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Speaker 4: my brother, you know, the friends come to the games.

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Speaker 2: And it was thirty minutes outside the city.

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Speaker 4: But I was able to go home every day and

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Speaker 4: I couldn't do laundry, so I went home like every weekend.

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Speaker 4: Mom got to do lunch and Grandma picked up can

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Speaker 4: I get you know what I'm saying, And didn't get

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Speaker 4: a good meal.

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Speaker 1: But that was home.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, it was it was the

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Speaker 1: I got a story I want to bring up about Ai.

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Speaker 1: So this go back to me and the mile before

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Speaker 1: we ever played the game in the NBA. We get drafted,

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Speaker 1: and you get drafted two thousand. We going to Zoel's

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Speaker 1: summer groove, right, so we hyped. We like we're about

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Speaker 1: biggest thing. So we get there the week before and

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Speaker 1: we you know, we the young boy. So Zoe got

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Speaker 1: us hanging with the kids, doing cams, doing all of

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Speaker 1: got sick from being.

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Speaker 2: With the kids. What I got sick, he.

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Speaker 1: Got He got his whole life. He ain't never had

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Speaker 1: the chicken pox. He got chicken pots at years old.

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Speaker 1: You know, I can't make it up.

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Speaker 2: They say it's worse.

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Speaker 1: They say it's worse when you're older, But like I

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Speaker 1: was dying.

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Speaker 5: Bro, you get older, Yeah, it's worse when So.

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Speaker 1: He locked in the room like all the people like Sherry,

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Speaker 1: Leo Wilcox, all the NBA Mom, Chris and ch and

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Speaker 1: they taking care of him in the hotel.

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Speaker 2: My old mill bag.

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Speaker 1: This is my first game. I'm coming Like now, Larry

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Speaker 1: Hughes is O O G. This this obviously his young boy.

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Speaker 1: So like this, I'm like, Larry, like, you're gonna go

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Speaker 1: out with us? Right near my partner. I'm like, man,

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Speaker 1: all right, cool. So we get there and it's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: y'all do I'm like, oh shit, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a minute, like you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Then first thing happen to hear me with the what's

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Speaker 1: up cute? I turned around leaving my.

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Speaker 6: Homeboy like you've seen that, you know what's up from

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Speaker 6: I'm fresh out of college.

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Speaker 1: I got the little you know, my number in college

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Speaker 1: was three. You know what I'm saying, party because him,

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Speaker 1: Marlbury and Sharif. I wore that number because y'all three.

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Speaker 1: So I come out, I'm like, cool, I got my

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Speaker 1: little chain on, my little diamondized diamond cuts. It ain't

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Speaker 1: real dy, it's a little number three. I'm going out

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Speaker 1: with them.

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Speaker 3: Hey.

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Speaker 2: Look.

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Speaker 1: He turned around like wait a minute, he like what's that?

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Speaker 1: And so I'm like I'm like shit, I'm like what

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Speaker 1: you mean. I'm like, I'm like this, this is me

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Speaker 1: he said, hold up, man, we ain't letting him go

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Speaker 1: like that. He sends his homeboy when his man's he

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Speaker 1: sent them up come back down with a dumb stupid

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Speaker 1: just you know what I'm saying. I say that to

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Speaker 1: Idolize him hood, He wrote, like mj Ai, you feel

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Speaker 1: me on the same plateau. And for him to when

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Speaker 1: I'm out here with Ai. That man calling me my name,

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Speaker 1: like he know me. We kicking it, like he put

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Speaker 3: No, no, tell the whole story. I had to hear

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Speaker 3: you come back every day and be like, hey, y'all

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Speaker 3: put the chain on my neck.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, we just kicking there.

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Speaker 3: It was so many girls there, it was me, Ai

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Speaker 3: and everybody, and I'm like, I didn't.

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Speaker 2: Even make a mean face. I was so sick.

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Speaker 1: I'm like and for the rest of the trip. That

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Speaker 1: was like that was like my that was like my joke.

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Speaker 1: Then I'm like, yeah, you know, like because me and

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Speaker 1: wasn't here something.

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Speaker 2: He heard about you, but you don't know you like that.

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Speaker 1: Man, So like for real, man, I just want to

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Speaker 1: that's a story that like I'll never forget that, like

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Speaker 1: for real, that story right there. I mean a lot

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Speaker 1: to me to like because you know idea, it's just

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Speaker 1: like you you met Jordan or whatever, like you don't

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Speaker 1: want the person that you think the coolest or the

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Speaker 1: you yeah, like you that's how that's how it was.

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Speaker 5: Well, well Mike, you know what I mean, Like my

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Speaker 5: homeboy was was with me before and you know I

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Speaker 5: was around Mike and they was like you embarrassing me

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Speaker 5: because it was like yo, you a fucking groopie, Like

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Speaker 5: why are you acting like that saying that's my hero,

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Speaker 5: that's my guy? Like I ain't no sucker, man, I

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Speaker 5: can't help what I love and what I care about,

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Speaker 5: what mean something to me? And who created Alan Iverson?

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Speaker 5: Like he helped create Alan Everson from Afar from a distance,

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Speaker 5: Like I love that motherfucker, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: Like I love Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: I love Michael Jackson. I just wanted to be him.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to be Michael Jackson in a basketball form

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Speaker 5: or whatever, however you put it together right the way

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Speaker 5: I put my my stuff together, Like the way I

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Speaker 3: I used to feel like you you got the best

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Speaker 2: He surprised me and better.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was crazy because you've seen it every day.

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Speaker 4: I work my ass off every day I go home. No,

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Speaker 4: You still got to get the shots up. You got

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Speaker 4: I ain't that.

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Speaker 1: I'm this.

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Speaker 4: I could be that, I could be this, that I

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Speaker 4: could be this, I could be you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: and come up that team me and you we formed

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Speaker 2: I knew he was gonna run. Threw him alive one time.

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Speaker 4: I was like, you know what I'm saying, just it's

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Speaker 2: Ellen.

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Speaker 3: I felt like I won the Hall of Fame when

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Speaker 3: just happy for you and just happy just you took

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Speaker 3: all the lumps and bruises for us, you know what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, to get criticized and all that stuff about braids, dressing, jewelry,

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Speaker 3: it validated for the hood, for us, for everybody with you,

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Speaker 3: I think we felt like we was up there with you.

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Speaker 3: What it means for you to hear hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: I see you got the ring, gone, I see you

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Speaker 1: in the ring.

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Speaker 3: I wear it everywhere, to a shower, take a ship

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, But I think that the dopest, the

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Speaker 1: Fame thing is like.

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Speaker 2: All of y'all that love.

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Speaker 5: Me and respect me and know me like them dudes, y'all,

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Speaker 5: Like all of the guys that really really know me

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Speaker 5: I don't gotta say that, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: That's the way I look at it, Like man, yeah,

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Speaker 5: Ai and Blase Bla, I ain't talking about Hall of

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Speaker 5: Fame punk and that's it. That was my satisfaction because

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Speaker 5: when my homegirls go get their hair done, I ain't.

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Speaker 2: Gotta argue with y'all.

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, shut up, Jesus. And that's it.

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Speaker 5: That was the best feeling that I had. And obviously

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Speaker 5: and all that homegirls, all that, yeah, y'all helped me

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Speaker 5: feel like, is man, y'all did this.

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Speaker 2: Y'all helped me do.

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Speaker 5: It because I couldn't do it without y'all, you know

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Speaker 5: what I mean. This was definitely a fucking group effort.

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Speaker 5: Can't be no Hall of Famer by yourself. You need everyone, man,

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Speaker 5: You know what I mean. You need a whole lot

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Speaker 2: I couldn't have did it without y'all.

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Speaker 5: So this ring is on my finger, ain't gonna be

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Speaker 5: on y'alls, but.

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Speaker 3: For everybody, for everybody, but y'all deserve it.

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Speaker 1: Y'all deserve it.

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Speaker 5: So if you got so many joints that we can

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Speaker 5: make or some ship like that, y'all had one.

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Speaker 1: This one mine.

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Speaker 3: Straight up, straight up from q Ris D Miles, knuckleheads man.

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Speaker 3: We would like to thank y'all for coming out showing

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Speaker 3: love Man, the Hall of Famer, all Ion, the All Star,

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Speaker 3: Kyle Laurie Man.

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Speaker 1: Give them, having these boys come through and rock with us.

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Speaker 1: We definitely appreciate y'all.

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Speaker 2: Man, appreciate it, bro man.

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Speaker 3: When I was coming up, I used to watch these

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Speaker 3: Sean Kemp highlight tapes on VCR tape. I know, I'm

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Speaker 3: kind of old with the VCU vhs if we got

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Speaker 3: any millenniums out here, you know, but I used to

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Speaker 3: watch these Sean Kemp highlight tapes him. Man, every time

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Speaker 3: he used to catch alive. Man, this guy used to

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Speaker 3: throw it to him. And I always wanted to catch

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Speaker 3: a live from this guy, or just play with this guy,

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Speaker 3: play defense with this guy. And grateful to have him here.

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Speaker 3: And his name is Hall of Famer Gary Payton.

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Speaker 2: The Glove.

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Speaker 1: The Glove.

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Speaker 3: First of all, First off, we always kind of start

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Speaker 2: Kenyon, him in the front, Shit, what's Hadden? Then we

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Speaker 2: always start this off.

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Speaker 1: This is a good one for him. I want to

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Speaker 1: hear this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we always start this off asking this question. Who

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Speaker 3: to bust your ass?

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00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:38,679
Speaker 6: Y'all know that motherfucker MJ Budshit, I didn't know it

440
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 6: was him, straight Bud. Yeah, I was talking shit to

441
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 6: him in the preseason.

442
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,719
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't know that they don't play in preseason, right,

443
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:47,119
Speaker 2: so I'm killing him.

444
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,879
Speaker 6: Had about twenty one he played about seven eight minutes.

445
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,400
Speaker 6: Then all of a sudden we got to play him

446
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,360
Speaker 6: in the first game of the regular season.

447
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:55,639
Speaker 2: He comes to Seattle.

448
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 6: First thing he get on the floor, he was like

449
00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 6: Pip Armstrong, the young young fellow was he mine all night?

450
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 2: Let me bust his ass all night. And he's like

451
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 2: this Saint preseason. You know what I'm saying, ship lad

452
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:12,640
Speaker 2: he remember that minute.

453
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,400
Speaker 6: Then all of a sudden, Man I get quick two files,

454
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,400
Speaker 6: man with four within four minutes. Man, I sit down, Man,

455
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 6: I mother got thirty five, seven, ten.

456
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 2: I'm over there with that gun.

457
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 6: That gun looking at me like after the game, he

458
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 6: was like me, welcome to the NBA.

459
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 1: Hey, I want to bring up a story for me

460
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 1: and d Miles. And we went we went to we

461
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 1: went to GP charity game. This that was aut rookie year,

462
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 1: right after our first year in the league. You know GP.

463
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 1: We always had love from the when we first played.

464
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 1: I remember first played the same situation preseason he talking

465
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 1: about MJ didn't play he played. Remember when he got

466
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 1: to it with key with K. I'm sitting here like yo,

467
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 1: he going off evage gentry like after he had some

468
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: GP sitting there like the album what what you're sending

469
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 1: him up? The four album? He yelling it like why

470
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 1: they on the free throw out this loud. I'm like,

471
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 1: oh man, she beat you. I'm like, why you don't

472
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 1: kid like that? Like so let's go back to when

473
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 1: Pat big pat Og pat ewing't was with us with

474
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,360
Speaker 1: the sony. I nerver get that's about Og. So we

475
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 1: go out there. Of course, GP like, look we get there.

476
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 1: He like y'all the young boy, y'all the show, Like

477
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, y'all go out there in

478
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: the layup line. Dude, don't we put on dunk contest,

479
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 1: dunks all that. But the best part of the store.

480
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if you even know this, the best

481
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 1: part of the store. You fast for half. Many years later,

482
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 1: Nate Robinson gets drafted. I get traded to the Knicks,

483
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: and he was in that trade. So we have our

484
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: press conference together. Phoenix drafts him and traded me and

485
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 1: him together, and everybody know how Nate is. He couldn't

486
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: even sign this contract before he went. He had to

487
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,199
Speaker 1: tell me the story. He was sitting there like, big bro,

488
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, like, man, I met you before.

489
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: I'm like for real, He like, man, you and D

490
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: Miles like I got you. I got d Males Jersey

491
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: in my living room. So he and him and his

492
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 1: brother they stole a car. Literally they were like fourteen fifteen.

493
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: He tells me they stole a car, drove the kid rena.

494
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how they got in, got in, made

495
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: it all the way to the floor, and literally we

496
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: went and played in Seattle. Later that that year, me

497
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: and d Miles had signed the charity game Jersey It's Up,

498
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 1: and you know, we in the hood in Seattle and

499
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 1: the hood of his mom to see and he got

500
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: the jersey up in there and everything and he like,

501
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 1: bro like we literally was there like at the game

502
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: and that go all the way back.

503
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 6: That was That was two thousand and one, about two

504
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 6: thousand and one. Yeah, you know, I was having the

505
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 6: big parties during the time.

506
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 2: That's definitely know that.

507
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: That's why he had us doing all of the stuff.

508
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 3: But to get in back then, I don't let nobody

509
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:45,719
Speaker 3: know we want to get in.

510
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all good. I had y'all right, hey, but

511
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: this this is what I won't talk about everybody. You know,

512
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: Like people ask me, like who's the who's the best

513
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: at taking track? Easy?

514
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 2: Easy?

515
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: Bar none?

516
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 2: You?

517
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 1: Like, I want to know where did that come from?

518
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: Like you crazy? You talking to MJ. You are rook

519
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: you talking to you talking to him? Like, like where

520
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: did that type of mentality the courage, just the like

521
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: it was damn about to say something to you.

522
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 6: Well, Quinn growing up in Oakland, California, you know, and

523
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,719
Speaker 6: then what we did was we went to neighborhoods. You

524
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 6: go to neighborhoods and you challenge everybody in the hood,

525
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 6: and that's where you became get your name, you know

526
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. But in them hoods, you know, you

527
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 6: win in they hood, they gonna want to fight you.

528
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 6: So you're gonna have to You're gonna have to fight

529
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 6: up out of there. So you know, I used to

530
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 6: drink my brothers with me and my sister she was

531
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 6: rough at you know, she was a rough one, so

532
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 6: she used to fight too. So they knew I had

533
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 6: to buy a mouth with me. Man, you know, so

534
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 6: I bring the family with me, you know. You know,

535
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 6: so I'm talking crazy, you know what I'm saying, And

536
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 6: I'm going over the record shop and every hood. Right

537
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 6: So I got to be known as little Little Payton

538
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 6: around Oakland, California.

539
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: And you know, we just had that, you know what

540
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

541
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 6: We had to go to different hoods and let them

542
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 6: understand what's handling. And then by the time I got

543
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 6: it high school and stuff. Everybody wanted to get at me,

544
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 6: and you know they pay my name by then, But

545
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 6: you gotta talk because if you don't talk, they gonna

546
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 6: keep going at you. It's just like the bully. The

547
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 6: bully always gonna keep bullying you. If you don't, you

548
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 6: step up to him, and when you knock the bully

549
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 6: out and then it's all good, you know what I'm saying.

550
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 2: So that's what it was.

551
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 6: You know, my father was a big part of my life,

552
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 6: and he coached me for so long and he was like, yo,

553
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 6: you better not letting.

554
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: Nobody, nobody run up on you or do nothing.

555
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 6: If you get knocked out, you better go back to

556
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 6: the next day and get knocked out again, and get

557
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 6: knocked out again and gett knocked out because if you

558
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 6: don't fight, I'm gonna whoop your ass when you get

559
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 6: in here. So I'm gonna get two ass whooping. So

560
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 6: I might as well going and whoop this man, ask

561
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 6: and go home and be cool.

562
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, I might as well. So

563
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 2: that's what it was. The way I grew up.

564
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 6: You know, it just kept going, kept sticking, and then

565
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 6: you know it took off.

566
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a privilege to have a nickname, to be

567
00:25:54,280 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 3: called something, especially have a dope nick heard the Glow

568
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 3: and Gary Payton and me, that was just one of

569
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 3: the dopest nicknames I ever heard. And I wanted to know,

570
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 3: when did you get the nickname glove? And how much

571
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 3: do you like.

572
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: The nickname glove? Shit? I love it the glove something else.

573
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 6: But you know, Darius, it was like ninety three ninety four.

574
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 6: I heard Alan come in here and say, Kevin Johnson

575
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,959
Speaker 6: busting me. Ain't never had nobody busting like that. And

576
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 6: I did it against Kevin Johnson. You know what I'm saying.

577
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 6: We was in the conference Western Conference finals. You know,

578
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 6: they had Charles Barkley and Kevin Johnson was the man

579
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 6: during that time.

580
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 2: He was the shit. You know what I'm saying.

581
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 6: He had average like twenty six points in the regular season.

582
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 6: I didn't do nothing with him in the regular season,

583
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 6: but I had made a point that I was gonna

584
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 6: do something with him in this Western Conference and I

585
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 6: held him to fourteen points and I locked him up.

586
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 6: And then when I went back to my hotel, my

587
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 6: cousin called me on the phone talking about glove.

588
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: Glove. I was like, man, you got the wrong number.

589
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: Click you know what I'm saying up the phone. So

590
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: he hit me back.

591
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 6: He was like, this is your cus, this is your

592
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 6: cus man. Your name is the Glove from now on.

593
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 6: I said, what hell? I'm named the glove? He said,

594
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 6: cause you had Kevin Johnson in your mitt of your hand,

595
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 6: just like a baseball in coverage, just like that. And

596
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 6: then every since then it was like I cover people.

597
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 2: Just like a glove.

598
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: Man. I just all around.

599
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 6: Them and they started sticking, and then the NBA got

600
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 6: used to it, and then they started bringing out stuff,

601
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 6: and then everybody's just called called me the glove.

602
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: That's cause so so you the only point guard to

603
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: ever ever ever.

604
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: The defensive player of your life, and it's gonna stay

605
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 2: that way.

606
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: That's that like, So that's what I'm saying, Like that,

607
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: that's hard, that's a bar. Like how did that feel

608
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: to be the only person at your position to ever

609
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: win that award? Q?

610
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: That feel good?

611
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 6: Because that was the ninety sixth year I was coming

612
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 6: up for a contract with Seattle and it was just

613
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 6: one of them years where I sent my wife home

614
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 6: with the kids. I sent them back to Oakland and

615
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 6: I told them I had to do a grind. I

616
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 6: had to get on a grind. So I spent my

617
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 6: whole year by myself, and me and my hood potners. Man.

618
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 6: I brought them all up and they lived with me,

619
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 6: and I said, man, I'm gonna make this a special year.

620
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 6: And when I started playing it and I started playing defense,

621
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 6: I didn't care about nothing nothing. I started locking everybody up.

622
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 6: I let the league and the steels.

623
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 2: I was aftering about twenty seven points a game. You know,

624
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: I was doing my due.

625
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: Man.

626
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: You know, I went to the Olympics, wanna gold medal.

627
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 6: They signed a big contract that year, man, and then

628
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, they gonna tell me I get

629
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 6: defensive Player of the Year at a point guard position.

630
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 6: And I'm locking up and I'm changing everything. Because you know,

631
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 6: everybody know big men change games, but at that time,

632
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 6: I was changing games. I was changing games. But I

633
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 6: was doing people up ninety four feet. I wouldn't even

634
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 6: let them get into Yeah, I was disrupting their offense.

635
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even let them get their offense.

636
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 6: And then they start playing stuff where they start bringing

637
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 6: the point guard down to court and letting the big

638
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 6: man and the two and everything bring the ball up.

639
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 6: It was just it was a saprivilege for me to

640
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 6: do that in ninety six, even changed the game like

641
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 6: that and do it from a point guard position.

642
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 3: I can't imagine you throwing the Ali you to nobody

643
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 3: but Sean Kemp outside of Sean Kemp, who was the

644
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 3: next person in line that you love to throw the

645
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: Ali too.

646
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 6: Shaq Shaq was a good one too. But that that

647
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 6: rain man, he was a monster.

648
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: He was.

649
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,239
Speaker 6: I can throw that ball anywhere, man, and he'll go

650
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,479
Speaker 6: get it. You know what I'm saying, He'll go get it.

651
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 6: So he was you know, he was really really talented.

652
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 6: I wish he would have stayed with me longer than

653
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 6: what he did because he would have been a Hall

654
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 6: of Famer now too, you know what I'm saying. So

655
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 6: it was like, I just hate that he left. But

656
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 6: he was really really talented man. And me and him

657
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 6: started really hanging off the court like you two, and

658
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 6: we became like this, so anywhere he knew if I

659
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 6: was coming and I was going, and.

660
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: He was all he had to do is say who

661
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: you know, boo boo? All of a sudden, it's gonna be.

662
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: Aye guy, y'all don't understand what that language. Man, that

663
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: everybody understands that. You know, y'all know, y'all have no

664
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: clue what he's saying. They completely understood.

665
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 6: We understood each other, man, And I knew he was

666
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 6: gonna be there, and if that ball go up in

667
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 6: the air and I'm gonna see him swinging, he gonna come,

668
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 6: he gonna come get it, and he gonna dunk you real,

669
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 6: real hard.

670
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: So so I'm from Chicago. I clearly was sitting at

671
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: home on the floor watching w G and when y'all

672
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: went against my bulls and m J them in the finals.

673
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: I was a huge fan of yours a Sean Kimp,

674
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: but I had and Dale Ellis. I loved Dale Ellis too,

675
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: but I wanted no parts of y'all doing anything with

676
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: my bull and I'm not gonna lie. I was literally

677
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: kind of scared, cause I was like, damn, like Kim,

678
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: he on another level, you on another level. And you know,

679
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: we used to have problems sometimes with Pips. Sometimes I

680
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: used I was just like, dang, like they got kind

681
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: of like a serious too. Then y'all had the intangibles

682
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 1: with Perkins and all of that, and I was just

683
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: like man, I never forget get when that series start,

684
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: I was just like I was telling my friend, kind

685
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: of nervous about this and whether they gonna get him,

686
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: just because you and Kim. And then, like I said,

687
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: y'all had the little you know, cool Perkins. He was like,

688
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: never trip and hit big threes and all that always

689
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: make big plays. So like, like, how did you feel,

690
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: like you say, when Sean left? Like cause I know

691
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: how I felt when he got traded. We was like

692
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: this and it was like, yo, y'all tripped like that,

693
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: you at any point feel like you wanted to go

694
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: to when he left for because I know when he

695
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: got traded. My initial thing was my agent like, tell

696
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: him trade me too.

697
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like that.

698
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 6: And I went to the ownership and I expressed that

699
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 6: a lot, and they sat me down and said what

700
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 6: Sean was doing?

701
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: I say, but that don't make no difference. You know

702
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

703
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 6: You took away my batman and I Robin, y'all took

704
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 6: that away from me. And the next year I didn't

705
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 6: really have a good year when he left, you know

706
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. But when Van Baker came, it was

707
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 6: kind of cool and you know, he tried to fill

708
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 6: the void, but it wasn't a void. Felt I watched

709
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 6: Sean go to Cleveland and he got big and.

710
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: And I felt that that was my fault.

711
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 6: That was my fault because I didn't step up the

712
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 6: way I should have stepped up with the ownership and

713
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 6: make them do the right thing, you know what I'm saying.

714
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 6: And it was a problem for me to see him that,

715
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 6: But as I looked at it, that was the.

716
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: Best year Sean ever had in Cleveland.

717
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 6: Being a big big He made the All Star Team

718
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 6: two in the East, and he admitted that to me

719
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 6: that that was the best season he had. He had

720
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 6: to go and do it. But he got lost after that.

721
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 6: And I still feel that way. For him to go

722
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 6: through the things that he went through, he got lost,

723
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, to go through all the

724
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 6: problems that he had. And I really feel that way.

725
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 6: And you know, I talked to him once a week,

726
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 6: once a week. Just after talking to him yesterday, and

727
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 6: I just stay with him now, you know, I stay

728
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 6: with him because I'm never gonna leave him again. You know,

729
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 6: That's not what I'm gonna do no more, because that's

730
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 6: my guy, you know. What I'm saying, And if he

731
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 6: wasn't his rain Man and the glove, that's what it

732
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 6: is in Seattle, man, So and we still like that.

733
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 6: We steal icons up there in Seattle, and we're gonna

734
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 6: stay that way. And I'm gonna say his brother for life.

735
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: I love it. I mean I feel a lot very

736
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: some of the same way with de Males. And like

737
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: I seen something with an article of you know, both

738
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: of y'all sons are coming up playing ball and doing

739
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: y'all thing, and I saw y'all talking about that. So

740
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I definitely love and respect that type of

741
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: I feel like we got the same type of relationship

742
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: where we're gonna be bros for life and we're gonna

743
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: keep holding it down like that.

744
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what it is, man.

745
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 6: Once you know that you get with a guy and

746
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 6: you know you got a feeling for him.

747
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: Man, when y'all can hang off the.

748
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 6: Floor and y'all might not be blood brothers, but y'all

749
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 6: really really are because y'all have built that relationship.

750
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: Me and him was the same way.

751
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 6: I can know if he missed practice, if he was

752
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 6: drunk or whatever.

753
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: Whatever.

754
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 6: I can feel, I can feel the voice. How man,

755
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 6: he was over my house, but he got food poison

756
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 6: or something.

757
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, It's all good. You know

758
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

759
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 6: I'm gonna always look out for him like that. You

760
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 6: know where shine at man, chill out man.

761
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: We good. We're gonna with him right now. You know

762
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: what I'm saying with gp up man, he coop. You

763
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, don't worry about him.

764
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: You know.

765
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 6: So we got that and we know what to say

766
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 6: with each other. But when you got that feeling and

767
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 6: you know that for each other, y'all got that vibe,

768
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 6: it's always gonna be like that.

769
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: I tell you one mold story before you wrap it

770
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: up about how like we was always a young boys

771
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: looking up to you. But it was two things in particular.

772
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: And you don't remember this when I said that when

773
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: we first saw you, it was the first thing was

774
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,959
Speaker 1: when you had the pimped out three one oh ride.

775
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: You had us so like, and we never did it

776
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: because we know we rookies, our agents and financials would

777
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: let us. But we was like cause we went up there.

778
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: We were going through one no light club. Now he

779
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: got the swede. This this, it was crazy. We went

780
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: up there, they told it was probably like okay, so

781
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: we really not gonna do that. We can't do that

782
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: right now. It was that and when you first came

783
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: through telling him, when he came to it with that

784
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: the iceman.

785
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: With that red gold or whatever the roads.

786
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't even called roll first. It was like when

787
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: you you can't, We was like the Iceman like this man,

788
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: GP got rid, Like I ain't never seen this, like

789
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: I'm talking about when we saw those two things, Like

790
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: you have no clue how much we talked about you

791
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: and no through things our partners or other people like dog,

792
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: you just gotta see it. I can't even explain, like

793
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: it became a way bigger myft than it ever was

794
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: just from us talking about it, but it was. It

795
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: was crazy, like just talk about how you got hooked

796
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: up with a three one those I mean, everybody was

797
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: doing but you was like one of the first biggest

798
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: people doing it. Right.

799
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 6: So you know that's true though, you guys, because I'm

800
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 6: a big watch guy and I'm a big car guy.

801
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 6: And uh, when we went to LA and we was

802
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 6: playing the Lakers, Shaq told me, man, you got to

803
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 6: meet this dude. Man you gotta meet this little dude

804
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 6: man about this big and to today. He my best friend.

805
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 6: You know, I've been friends with him for like twenty

806
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 6: some years now.

807
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: His name is Darnelle.

808
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 6: And he came out and he had all kind of rolls,

809
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 6: Royce's and trucks all out there.

810
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm a young nigger just just getting

811
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 2: up in this game.

812
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: Man.

813
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 6: I had a lot of lot of bread man, you know,

814
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 6: coming out of opening. When you got a lot of paper, man,

815
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 6: you know, you want to spend it, you know what

816
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 6: I'm saying.

817
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, you gotta do it, you know.

818
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 6: So you know, he started showing me something, and I

819
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 6: wanted to do other things too. I started doing, like,

820
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 6: you know, let me see what the swede is about.

821
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 6: Let me have it with my name and the head rest.

822
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 6: Put four fifteens in. Then let me see how I

823
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 6: can slam. Put the cramped chrome on it. And then

824
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 6: I whipped out the Chocolate Thunder. I whipped out the

825
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 6: Cadillac Escalade when I had like eight nine TVs in there,

826
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 6: and it was doing it was the fur rugs and

827
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 6: all that.

828
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: It didn't look like a pip ride, but it was

829
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: kind of it was real, real cold.

830
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: Man.

831
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: I had it going on.

832
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: Man. So baby powder before powder.

833
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, throwing the powder on that man. So yeah,

834
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 6: so we was doing it. Man, it was it was fun,

835
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 6: you know.

836
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: What I'm saying.

837
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 6: When you can experience that type of life that you

838
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 6: ain't never had and do it and be fun with it,

839
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 6: you know, leave it there and then grow up and

840
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 6: understand what the value of everything is. It's just like

841
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 6: right now. You know, I still get the cars and

842
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,959
Speaker 6: stuff like that. You know, I don't do the ram

843
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 6: stuff no more, do the music no more. But you

844
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 6: have to experience that when you growing up like that.

845
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. I'm not mad at nobody.

846
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 6: I mean, just be sensible when it's time for you

847
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 6: to end it, you know what I'm saying.

848
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: And you got to think about that. You know what

849
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

850
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 6: You're gonna spend money at the beginning, but you always

851
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 6: got to think about it.

852
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: The life is gonna end.

853
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 6: It's gonna Endin't this ain't forever, you know what I'm saying.

854
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 6: And in our business, eighty something percent of the people

855
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 6: get broke. And I'm trying to tell these dudes, man,

856
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 6: you know, right now. You got your money, you know,

857
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 6: put some of it away and buy some stuff and

858
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 6: invest in some stuff and do some other things. You

859
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 6: can have all that stuff.

860
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: You know.

861
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 6: I was the first one to have a posse. You know,

862
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 6: I had six dudes from the hood come.

863
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: Live with me.

864
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: And you don't need all of that, you know.

865
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 6: You can still be around your dudes and your partners.

866
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 6: Bring them in, have fun with them, kick it, you

867
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. And don't be scared not to

868
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 6: tell them that we ain't going to the hood, you

869
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. And they be talking about all

870
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 6: you you done turn into this and that. Nah, you

871
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 6: don't turn into something. If you don't understand that that

872
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 6: my life no more.

873
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

874
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 6: You gotta respect me that I can't do that no

875
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 6: more because my life has changed. And if they don't

876
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 6: realize that, then they ain't your partners, you know what

877
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 6: I'm saying. Because you can go in the hood and

878
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 6: whatever and buy them all the drink, staying there for

879
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 6: an hour, kicking and they're gonna have a good time

880
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 6: with you, and they're gonna be like, gee, still come

881
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 6: to the hood, and which I do all I do now,

882
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. But I don't stay in there,

883
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, because it ain't It ain't.

884
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: About me no more. And when I did all of

885
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: that and had all.

886
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 6: Of that, it's just something now being over fifty, Now

887
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 6: I'm filling more than fifty years old. Man, I ain't

888
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 6: got time for all that, you know. I go to

889
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 6: bed early at nine o'clock. Man, what you're talking about? Man,

890
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 6: I gotta get some sleep. I'll take naps.

891
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 1: Two o'clock.

892
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 2: I got a nap.

893
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 6: Don't get up until five, you know, saying I got

894
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 6: to get it because I want to tie.

895
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 2: One more question before we get up out of here.

896
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 3: I want to ask you who is the best basketball

897
00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 3: player in the Oakland Bay Area that the world let

898
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 3: nobody else know?

899
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 2: Well, it was one dude man, y'all probably knowing he

900
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: was better than all of us. His name was hook

901
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: de Mitris Mitchell.

902
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

903
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 6: They about to bring out a thing on to him

904
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 6: in Sports Illustrated in two weeks.

905
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 2: You know, he was the best. You know, his brother

906
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: was one of the big time dope.

907
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 6: Dealers in the city, and he used to come to

908
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 6: all our games. He can dunk it. He was only

909
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 6: five ten do everything. He was everything. He was a

910
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 6: Nate Robinson, but a little bit better than Nate as

911
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 6: in scoring wise and doing a line of lines. And

912
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 6: they know about him because Nate's father is from Oakland too,

913
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 6: So we used to go to the part Roy. I

914
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 6: used to take him everywhere and he destroyed things. But

915
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 6: that's another situation where you get caught up in the streets.

916
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 6: His brother got killed in front of his mom house,

917
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 6: and he just went downhill from there. You know, it

918
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 6: went downhill from there, and I wish he could have

919
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 6: had an opportunity to be in the NBA and everybody

920
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 6: see him. And then he started going to jail and

921
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 6: start using dope, and you know, right now we're still

922
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 6: trying to keep him on the right path.

923
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: But he was.

924
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 6: Probably the best playground legend in Oakland that ever came

925
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 6: out of Oakland. That was way better than me, way

926
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 6: better than me, you know what I'm saying. But I

927
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 6: just went to the right path. I chose to do

928
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 6: something else. I wasn't in the projects like he was.

929
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 6: I grew up outside of the projects. I moved out

930
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 6: of side of the projects when I was five, so

931
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 6: I really didn't know nothing about the projects.

932
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: My brothers and sisters did.

933
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 6: But it was a blessing for me that my father

934
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,479
Speaker 6: went to a pool hall and shot pool and later

935
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 6: and made a lot of money and bought us a crib.

936
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Because that's what they was

937
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 6: doing in today.

938
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

939
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 6: That's how they can make money, shoot dice and play pool,

940
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. And my daddy did that

941
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 6: and then he got us side of there, and then

942
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 6: he told us man that he won't never let let

943
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 6: us do it.

944
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 2: And then I started.

945
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 6: Playing basketball and it changed my life. I had opportunity

946
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 6: to do everything in the streets, but I didn't choose

947
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 6: to do everything in the streets. And I think Hook

948
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 6: chose to do that, you know what I'm saying. And

949
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 6: we try to save him, but I'm never gonna let

950
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 6: him go neither, you know what I'm saying.

951
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 2: And that ain't what a friend do. You know.

952
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 6: We were real close in high school and I'm always

953
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 6: gonna be with him and I'm always gonna be be

954
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 6: there for him, so you know, and then we got

955
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 6: the little kid, Jason Kidd. You know what I'm saying

956
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 6: he was. He was a beast, you know, just made

957
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 6: Hall of Fame. You know what I'm saying. I raised

958
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 6: him too, so them too right there. Probably it was

959
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 6: really really good.

960
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: Well man, we definitely want to wrap up, but we

961
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: appreciate man like this, having you Ai Kyle, but like

962
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: you and Ai particular man, you know how it is.

963
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: We came up under y'all, watching y'all, looking up y'all

964
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: and all that, and y'all set the examples at the

965
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: table for us. Man, we appreciate you coming out and

966
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 1: everything you do for the whole culture.

967
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 6: Bro Good, And I want to tell y'all, man, these

968
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 6: two dudes right here, man, when they came in the

969
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 6: league and I seen both of them, I knew they

970
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 6: had a chip on their shoulder and they did it.

971
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: And I don't really mess with everybody.

972
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 6: If y'all know, I don't get down with a lot

973
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 6: of people, man, you know what I'm saying, So they

974
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 6: know I don't. So it's like these two, Quinn and

975
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 6: there Is. These are the two guys that if I

976
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 6: go and ask them to come to something that I do,

977
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 6: then I really respect them. And you know, especially when

978
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 6: they're doing a podcast like this. You guys, y'all gotta

979
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 6: support us, man when we do stuff like this, because

980
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 6: this is gonna get back to all the other kids

981
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 6: and the other generations to see that they can do

982
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 6: the same type of stuff. And when they ask me

983
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 6: to come on this podcast, it is a no brainer.

984
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

985
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go and help everything that's gonna be positive

986
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 6: for any kind of kids.

987
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 2: And that's what I do because we.

988
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 6: Got a lot of these kids in these hoods and

989
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 6: a lot of things that their parents can't give them scholarships.

990
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 6: But we gotta help them because they don't look up

991
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 6: to their parents no more because they think they're around

992
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 6: them all the time. But they look up to us

993
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 6: because they buy jerseys. So if we say something, they

994
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 6: gonna they gonna listen to it. So we gotta get

995
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 6: these guidance and especially when they're doing this, man, support them, man,

996
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 6: and just do what you gotta you can, man, because

997
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 6: it's gonna help other people because they looking at them

998
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 6: and they want to do the same thing they do.

999
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 3: Q Ritz de Miles, Knuckleheads and the Hall of fameer

1000
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 3: Gary Payon, thank you, Yes, I.

1001
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Speaker 2: Appreciate y'all.

1002
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1003
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