WEBVTT - Geoff Ogilvy - Playing in the Masters

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to another edition of the Frida Egg podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>For Masters week, we have a special edition with Jeff Ogilvie,

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<v Speaker 1>This should be one of a couple podcasts with Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>a beat with the Masters. So this is the first

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<v Speaker 1>of a couple podcasts with Jeff this week where we

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<v Speaker 1>talk mostly about his experience playing in the Masters.

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<v Speaker 2>I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When

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<v Speaker 2>I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I find my ball in.

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<v Speaker 1>A bright egg Frida Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg, Frida

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<v Speaker 1>Egg Egg Egg Egg, bright Egg, Lie I'm about ready

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<v Speaker 1>to run off the course. First, you're here not playing.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the difference in playing versus attending that you've noticed

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<v Speaker 1>so far?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? Well, yesterday was my first day. Asked the golf

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<v Speaker 2>course Monday and stood under the tree, like and you

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<v Speaker 2>forever the thing that you miss when you play this torment.

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<v Speaker 2>Every time you come, you have twelve friends, twelve guests

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<v Speaker 2>because everyone takes your tickets and you're organizing the ticket

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<v Speaker 2>drop offs and all that, and everybody is excited. And

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<v Speaker 2>every night you get back to the house, everybody tells

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<v Speaker 2>you about how good a date the Masters is. And

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<v Speaker 2>all you've been doing is worrying about how you're hitting

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<v Speaker 2>it and trying to like kind of stay under the radar,

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<v Speaker 2>if you like, Does that make sense? And every day

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<v Speaker 2>you walk through the clubhouse. I don't mean anybody who's

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<v Speaker 2>been to the Masters would work this out, but the

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<v Speaker 2>locker room, you come out of the clubhouse, you walk

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<v Speaker 2>under this big, famous old tree from the clubhouse, between

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<v Speaker 2>the clubhouse and the first tea and you go to

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<v Speaker 2>the pudding green and then you're tee off. You're walking

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<v Speaker 2>through that area trying to not catch anyone's attention because

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<v Speaker 2>you're playing the tournament right head down. I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to anyone, even though everybody I know in

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<v Speaker 2>the golf world is here. I'm looking at my shoes

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<v Speaker 2>and the way of the putting green. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>play because I can't afford distraction, really, And so you

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<v Speaker 2>miss the Masters in that respect, the Masters that everybody

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<v Speaker 2>who doesn't play the tournament. You miss that experience of

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<v Speaker 2>catching up with everybody having a nice tea under the tree,

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<v Speaker 2>having a permentation sandwich or whatever your thing is. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't get any of that when you play the

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<v Speaker 2>tournament because you're just playing a tournament. I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the Masters and it's amazing, but you experience it

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<v Speaker 2>completely from a different perspective because you're concerned about how

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<v Speaker 2>you're playing. Like yesterday it was amazing, and you see,

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<v Speaker 2>I just watched the players walk under the tree head

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<v Speaker 2>down and like try to get past all the journalists

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<v Speaker 2>and the friends and stuff, and I'm like that used

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<v Speaker 2>to be me, And it's kind of nice to just

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<v Speaker 2>catch up with people that I hadn't seen for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time. There's sort of people I would have liked

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<v Speaker 2>to have hung out and talked with when I was

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<v Speaker 2>playing the tournament and I couldn't. Now I can, So

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<v Speaker 2>it was from that respect it was interesting and seeing

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<v Speaker 2>just a whole lot less. There's a level of anxiety

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<v Speaker 2>when you play something like this good anxiety, like nervous

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<v Speaker 2>tension or whatever it is. And the focus the whole

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<v Speaker 2>week is sleep and diet and feeling good and getting

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<v Speaker 2>your game and thing. And now it's like, well, if

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<v Speaker 2>someone's having an extra glass of wine at dinner or

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<v Speaker 2>you have another one, right because you get as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting to enjoy the Master's week for what it

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<v Speaker 2>is as opposed to having any concern about playing. So

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<v Speaker 2>from that respect, it's fun, but it's still making me

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<v Speaker 2>a bit jealous.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what I noticed here is like when I

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<v Speaker 1>come down here, if I it's hard because I have

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<v Speaker 1>to write, It's it's similar. It's not similar at all, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>but where I have to write and do all this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff all week. But you could be out and talking

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<v Speaker 1>to people and networking the whole time. But it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I still have to write stuff. I would love to

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<v Speaker 1>hang out here all night, but I got stuff to

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<v Speaker 1>do at home. How would you say your routine changed

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<v Speaker 1>from the first time you played two thousand and six

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<v Speaker 1>till that till the last time you played twenty fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>It evolved a little bit. I mean, I think the

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<v Speaker 2>first time you play, you hear when they open the

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<v Speaker 2>gates some Monday morning, like whatever it is. And actually

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most incredible things for player the experience

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<v Speaker 2>you can have you because we can get in the

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<v Speaker 2>gate before the gates open, so you go into the

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<v Speaker 2>locker room, you have your breakfast, and the locker room

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<v Speaker 2>is where we have breakfast. It looks out over the

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<v Speaker 2>first tee and down that old range and down the

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<v Speaker 2>eighteenth and across to the second green. You have that

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful view across the golf course and you have your

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<v Speaker 2>coffee and you have your eggs, and you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>you can step out on the balcony as the gates

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<v Speaker 2>open and you see the swarm of humans go across

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<v Speaker 2>the golf course, not running doing that augusta not running

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<v Speaker 2>thing right with all their chairs, and it's just one

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<v Speaker 2>of the best experiences in golf. Like it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>maybe misty in the morning, and it's like it's like

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<v Speaker 2>it's out of a book, a novel. You get the

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<v Speaker 2>whole course was full in about five minutes, even though

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<v Speaker 2>they're not running right. So the first year I was

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<v Speaker 2>here at that time every day like just get beat.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't spend enough time with the golf course. And gradually,

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<v Speaker 2>over the time you start realizing that, hey, look, you

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<v Speaker 2>can't actually be a total Masters fan and play well

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<v Speaker 2>in it as well, you know. So I'd yeah, Monday,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd come up at ten, and I would I ended

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<v Speaker 2>up instead of playing eighteen eighteen eighteen in the practice rounds,

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<v Speaker 2>I would play like nine on Monday, maybe eighteen on Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe a little nine on the back, nine on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 2>And energy preservation became number one because you could very

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<v Speaker 2>easy to just blow it all out of the water

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<v Speaker 2>in the first two or three days because you're just

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<v Speaker 2>so pumped to be here, and you spend all day

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<v Speaker 2>on the range and all day on the punt and green.

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<v Speaker 2>You just want to be at the Masters, right that.

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<v Speaker 2>Gradually the shine never wears off this tournament, but it

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<v Speaker 2>does a little bit in the respect. After a few

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<v Speaker 2>years you get to treat it just like a normal

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<v Speaker 2>tournament again, and that's when you can start playing well.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess. So that's what it changed. I just the

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<v Speaker 2>golf fan. After you've been in the gates twenty or

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<v Speaker 2>thirty times and you've played the course a lot and

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<v Speaker 2>it's not new anymore, I started treating it a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more sensibly, I would guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you attribute some of that kind of nervous energy

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<v Speaker 1>of that, treating it not like any other tournament to

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<v Speaker 1>why typically first time or struggle here.

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<v Speaker 2>I would think, I mean, it's like Disneyland for a

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<v Speaker 2>grown up, right, if you're a golf fan, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it's and you've waited your whole life. And there's a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a superstition amongst good golfers that golfers who

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<v Speaker 2>think they're ever going to play well in the Masters

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<v Speaker 2>or go to the Masters don't want to come here

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<v Speaker 2>until they're in the Masters. Like it's kind of a thing,

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<v Speaker 2>which is weird to me, but I would have been

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit the same. So you hold it in

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<v Speaker 2>such a steam, such a high regard that it's hard

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<v Speaker 2>to just not be like a kid at Disneyland that

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<v Speaker 2>first couple of years. So it's what a tournament. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just such a mystique about it, and you've actually you've

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<v Speaker 2>got no sense of what the place is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be like you think you know exactly what it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to look like, but you're so excited to get in

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<v Speaker 2>the gates, and you get in the gates and you're

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<v Speaker 2>just looking at everything. First year, it's just an amazing

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<v Speaker 2>experience the first couple of times. Every time it's an

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<v Speaker 2>amazing experience, but the first couple of times it's a

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<v Speaker 2>completely mind blowing and incredible and everybody's happy. The spectators

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<v Speaker 2>are happy, like everybody's having the best day of their

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<v Speaker 2>life when they first go to the Master's right, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the people that work like the geates are

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<v Speaker 1>the nicest people of any sworrying event I've ever been to.

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<v Speaker 1>Like usually you're like walking through the gates of saying

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<v Speaker 1>in a football game and everybody's barking at you. Here

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<v Speaker 1>they're just like smiling, have a nice day, have a

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<v Speaker 1>nice day. It is different than everything everything else. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you have any superstitions about Masters playing?

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<v Speaker 2>Not really, No, I'm not ever been a superstitious guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's just learning the week and learning your

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<v Speaker 2>way around the kind of the best way to manage yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>And as I said, time, it's very easy to spend

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<v Speaker 2>nine hours at a golf course, it's something like this,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's way too long, right, because you come out

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<v Speaker 2>and you spend a little bit too long on the

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<v Speaker 2>range because all the manufacturers floating around and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>Anybody who's anybody in golf is here this week, and

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<v Speaker 2>they all want to be associated and be standing next

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<v Speaker 2>to the players and talk to them, and like everybody

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<v Speaker 2>wants to kind of be on the inn in the masters, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's really easy to get out here at seven

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<v Speaker 2>or eight and leave it six every day because you

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of want to be out here and you

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<v Speaker 2>get kind of distracted and caught up in the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>No superstisions. I just had to get a bit more

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<v Speaker 2>disciplined about doing my thing, you know, like, and that

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<v Speaker 2>takes a couple of years, I think, to just do

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<v Speaker 2>your thing. So first time, it's also the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>I think. The course is very The course forces you.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes you nervous one because of what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>But even if you just came here for a if

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<v Speaker 2>it was a muni and you came and just dropped

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<v Speaker 2>from balls, it's a nervous making course because there's trouble

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere and there's some crazy places to miss it, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're difficult shots that you can only play well if

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<v Speaker 2>you're not nervous, but the course makes you nervous. It's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the genius of the course. So it does

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<v Speaker 2>take quite a long time of hitting these shots to realize.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the second shot to fifteen, then everybody knows it's

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<v Speaker 2>the most ridiculous shot. You would never take it on

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere else in the world, but you have to take

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<v Speaker 2>it on here. And it takes it ten times of

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<v Speaker 2>hitting that shot to free up and put a real

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<v Speaker 2>free swing on it, because when you're hitting it, you

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<v Speaker 2>know you shouldn't be hitting it, but you just have

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<v Speaker 2>to hit it anyway. That for the first time is

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<v Speaker 2>the hardest thing. I think putting proper swings on twelve

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<v Speaker 2>and putting a proper swing on it on fifteen, and

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<v Speaker 2>like really difficult shots, you know, four irons from downslopes

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<v Speaker 2>into the tenth Green, which probably don't hit four irons

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<v Speaker 2>very much anymore, but it's really not a very big green,

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<v Speaker 2>like it really isn't from the ball way above your

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<v Speaker 2>feet and way on a downslope. It's a hard shot anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you miss it left, you make a double

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<v Speaker 2>and if you miss it right, you'll probably make a bogie.

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<v Speaker 2>And the only way you'll hit it on the green

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<v Speaker 2>is if you put a free, not nervous, completely loose

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<v Speaker 2>kind of swing on it. That's really difficult to do

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<v Speaker 2>the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a genius of the whole design. Though

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a lot the downslope long iron into ten.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a long par four. Your fifteen handicap isn't thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about that. They're just like they can make an easy

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<v Speaker 1>five there.

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<v Speaker 2>I think sure. The true genius of this course, like

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much all the best causes in the world except

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<v Speaker 2>for maybe like PV and Oakmont, is that the worst

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<v Speaker 2>you are, the easier it is almost the better you

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<v Speaker 2>are harder. It is like it brings the eighteen handicapper

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<v Speaker 2>and the scratch handed cap a really close together. Augusta,

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<v Speaker 2>Like an eightien handicap guy could break ninety every day,

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<v Speaker 2>who's life here if he played it sensibly and smart

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<v Speaker 2>once you kind of worked it out a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>But the scratch handicap to break par that's tough because

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to hit some really brave shots.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the challenges get are subtle in the sense that

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<v Speaker 1>the eighteen handicap doesn't even know how hard the shot

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<v Speaker 1>they're looking at is. But the batter you are than

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<v Speaker 1>the harder the shot is. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost the more advanced the shot you want to hit,

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<v Speaker 2>the harder it is. The second shot ND. Nine, it's

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<v Speaker 2>complete genius, the night till right, negative canbers, reverse Cambers,

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<v Speaker 2>I should say. So the ball is below your feet

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<v Speaker 2>on a shot you want h a draw, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>very hard to hit it in a good spot on

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<v Speaker 2>the ninth green without hitting a draw. But the ball

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<v Speaker 2>is significantly below your feet and a significant downslope.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is because of the pitch of the green, because of.

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<v Speaker 2>The pitch at the angle of the green and the

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<v Speaker 2>pitch of the slope. The slope is making you want

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<v Speaker 2>to hit a low fade. Yeah, and almost the only

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<v Speaker 2>shot you can hit from the ninth fairway is a

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<v Speaker 2>low fade. But the only way you can hit the

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<v Speaker 2>green is hit a high draw. So and that is

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<v Speaker 2>something you can't capture until you actually try to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's all over the course. Like thirteen, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>drawer off the tee, But the only real sensible way

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<v Speaker 2>to hit the second shot is a fade. But you're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to fade it with the ball significantly above your feet,

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<v Speaker 2>like six inches above you a long way like surprise,

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<v Speaker 2>people would be very surprised at how far aby your

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<v Speaker 2>feet the ball is on thirteen and so it's for

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<v Speaker 2>the average guy who's not going for the thirteenth green,

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<v Speaker 2>it's actually an easy stance. The ball above your feet

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<v Speaker 2>and carriages a drawer. You just aim it out to

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<v Speaker 2>the right. You've got one hundred yards a fairway your

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<v Speaker 2>wedge on the green. You're like, I don't see what

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<v Speaker 2>all the problem is. But for the guy who's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to hit a four on the green with a ballway

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<v Speaker 2>above his feet, you have to hang it out over

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<v Speaker 2>the water because the stance is making you start the

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<v Speaker 2>ballder the right and all you want to do is

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<v Speaker 2>start the border to the left, but you can't. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's a really and fourteen. It's kind of you

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<v Speaker 2>want to draw it, but the balls below your feet,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all around.

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<v Speaker 1>The course's thirteen to two. With a long iron that

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<v Speaker 1>lie typically draws less than you expect it to too.

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<v Speaker 1>Always like you're always surprised at how little it druk

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<v Speaker 1>because like it's the same thing with a lab wedge,

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<v Speaker 1>it goes way left because the laft.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's it's ingenious in that sense. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that's why form coming into the Masters is so

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<v Speaker 1>important because you have to be so daled inn at

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you go through these grooves where you're swinging

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<v Speaker 1>really well or then you're a little off. And does

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<v Speaker 1>that those uneven lies and those difficult shots really accentuate

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<v Speaker 1>who's who's striking it well and who's you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>in between swing thafts.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, And definitely it's a form course. You have

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<v Speaker 2>to be and I said, i'd like mentally, so you

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<v Speaker 2>have to be swinging it free. You have to believe

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<v Speaker 2>in what you're doing. You don't have to. You shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be trying to force a drawer down ten to eleven

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<v Speaker 2>and thirteen off the tee because if you're forcing a

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<v Speaker 2>drawer usually struggling to hit a draw right with that

0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:41.760
<v Speaker 2>drawer to be coming out nicely off the tad like,

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<v Speaker 2>so you can swing it free and not have to

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<v Speaker 2>worry about it. And those free swings, as I said,

0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:49.840
<v Speaker 2>like second shots like ten and thirteen and nine and

0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.800
<v Speaker 2>sixteen on that front right pin and fifteen the second shot.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, all these shots out there, you can

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<v Speaker 2>only hit them if you're loose. Yet the course and

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<v Speaker 2>the atmosphere and the course with the trouble you can be,

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<v Speaker 2>and the atmosphere of the tournament, and the whole mystique

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<v Speaker 2>and the history and all of your history and the feelings,

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<v Speaker 2>it all makes you apprehensive and nervous. Yeah, the only

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<v Speaker 2>way to play it well is to be loose and free.

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<v Speaker 2>So the guy who's going to be the best at

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<v Speaker 2>getting loose and free is the guy who's been playing

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<v Speaker 2>the best up to that point. I would think, who

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<v Speaker 2>feels the best about his game. And it was like

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<v Speaker 2>a Phil Mickelson paradise, right, because he, if anything, has

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<v Speaker 2>always played loose and free.

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<v Speaker 1>Irrational confidence almost.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean you kind of have to be like

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<v Speaker 2>irrationally confident. And we've seen them in some incredibly great

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<v Speaker 2>players struggle out here just because they're either not in

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<v Speaker 2>form or the shots just don't fit their eye. The

0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:46.880
<v Speaker 2>thing is, the shots don't fit anybody's eye. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of them, as I said that, they're counter of the

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<v Speaker 2>slopes are going the wrong way for the shape or

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<v Speaker 2>it was very very cleverly laid out this course, probably

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<v Speaker 2>with a little bit of luck involved too, that the

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<v Speaker 2>serender it as placement of everything. It just worked out.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to be really confident, and the putting is

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<v Speaker 2>I would go against what everybody says that here relatively

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<v Speaker 2>easy if you're putting well once you learn the greens.

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<v Speaker 2>The greens are so perfect if you get it online.

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<v Speaker 2>It goes in once you work out the slopes, which

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<v Speaker 2>are a little bit weird and extreme, like the slopes

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<v Speaker 2>are extreme. Once you get realized that there's six foot

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<v Speaker 2>it's actually not that hard a part. You just have

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<v Speaker 2>to start at two feet outside the left. But the

0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.320
<v Speaker 2>thing does funnel into the hole if you do start

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<v Speaker 2>in the right place. Once you work the putting it

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<v Speaker 2>if you're confident with your putting, you can make a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of parts. But if you're if you're not confident

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<v Speaker 2>with your putting, you're going to get that Ernie El's

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<v Speaker 2>thing on the first green. And I've had a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of years where I've been off with my putting here

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just get me off the course. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to hit these parts. It's just too scary because

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<v Speaker 2>you can't guarantee the next one is going to go

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<v Speaker 2>in because they're so.

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<v Speaker 1>Fast, they actually have the slope and the speed, which

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<v Speaker 1>is rare because most of the time, if their speed,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not going to put it in the spars that

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<v Speaker 1>they put.

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<v Speaker 2>It in it no, And I think the advantage they've

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<v Speaker 2>got is they've had this tournament for so long that

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<v Speaker 2>they know their golf course so well that when the

0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:21.480
<v Speaker 2>USGAS to pick on the USGA just for a second,

0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:24.360
<v Speaker 2>their greens don't really get I mean, they probably get

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit bumpy and beaten up because of the

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<v Speaker 2>courses that they're playing on and the amount of play too,

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<v Speaker 2>at amount of playing how much they've forcing them to

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<v Speaker 2>get fast here, they're not force them to get faster.

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<v Speaker 2>It is naturally fast, and they've got all year with

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<v Speaker 2>no traffic to do that. But they've had seventy or

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<v Speaker 2>eighty years to realize that. You know what, when the

0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.520
<v Speaker 2>greens are at fourteen or whatever, they are tournament speed.

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<v Speaker 2>When we put the pin there, it's perfect, but you

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<v Speaker 2>move at six inches the other way, it's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to work. And almost every hole they have so wired

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<v Speaker 2>that they have greens that are probably in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of respects completely out just not playable. In some respects,

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<v Speaker 2>but they know those little patches on the greens where

0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:09.600
<v Speaker 2>they can play it, where they're actually playable, and so

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<v Speaker 2>that that's the advantage of having the tournament at the

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<v Speaker 2>same course every year. They've got it so dialed in

0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:17.000
<v Speaker 2>and so worked out that they never get it wrong,

0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:21.040
<v Speaker 2>and it would be so easy to get wrong. They

0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:23.200
<v Speaker 2>set up of this course, the greens, at least the pimpositions,

0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:25.760
<v Speaker 2>but they never get it wrong. They've completely got it right,

0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.280
<v Speaker 2>and no one walks off thinking those pins were outrageous ever.

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<v Speaker 2>But if they were some in some cases a foot

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<v Speaker 2>or six or twelve inches in a different spot, they

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<v Speaker 2>would have been completely unplayable. But they just get it right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Last year, it was amazing. I was out late one

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<v Speaker 1>afternoon last year and I was watching the whole competition

0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:50.120
<v Speaker 1>committee out there setting up pins, and it was it's unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking about, like, how the USGA and my

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<v Speaker 1>mind does it. I don't know, but I mean, there

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<v Speaker 1>was like twenty five guys out there, and all of

0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:02.040
<v Speaker 1>them were hitting parts from all different directions to like

0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:05.480
<v Speaker 1>the spots that they were looking at. And I think

0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.760
<v Speaker 1>that they, like you said, they know it so well,

0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:12.239
<v Speaker 1>and then they they take so many precautions with like

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<v Speaker 1>the setup, like they were looking at a cup like

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<v Speaker 1>I saw them like moving the cup from four inches

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<v Speaker 1>left to four inches right, and you could see them

0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:24.800
<v Speaker 1>putting like. I mean, I sat there for they were

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<v Speaker 1>on the second green for thirty minutes and I sat there.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just watching them. I took like one hundred pictures.

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<v Speaker 1>I never used them because I was like, what am

0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:33.960
<v Speaker 1>I going to use these for? But it was it

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<v Speaker 1>was really interesting to watch them them put put together

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<v Speaker 1>the course. So you never missed a cut at the Masters.

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<v Speaker 2>Nah, that's a pretty good little stat.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I can't be many guys that play made

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<v Speaker 1>a significant amount of them and it suits.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I was I always played well where I wanted

0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:56.919
<v Speaker 2>to play well, if that makes sense now, That not

0:19:57.040 --> 0:20:02.280
<v Speaker 2>just I mean like you enjoyed playing, enjoyed the big things.

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<v Speaker 2>I always played better in the bigger ones. For some reason.

0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:07.000
<v Speaker 2>I get little tournaments I'd play awful. I just whatever.

0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:10.200
<v Speaker 2>For whatever reason, the course suited me. The putting here

0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:12.480
<v Speaker 2>is very similar to putting at Roll Melbourne or on

0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:16.879
<v Speaker 2>the sand Belt, big sweeping breaks and having six footers

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<v Speaker 2>at break from two feet outside of the hole. Is

0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:22.960
<v Speaker 2>is not abnormal in Melbourne or at Royal Melbourne especially,

0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:25.760
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of abnormal at a lot of places. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>not a lot of people grow up with crazy fast

0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:30.560
<v Speaker 2>bent greens that if you miss it low it goes

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<v Speaker 2>twelve feet past. Like that's growing up in Melbourne, so

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<v Speaker 2>you really naturally my misses would just I would put

0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:40.879
<v Speaker 2>bad swings on it, but would always be a bad

0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:44.320
<v Speaker 2>swing under the whole, Like it's just the way you

0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:46.680
<v Speaker 2>grow up. You don't short side yourself. You go under

0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:48.840
<v Speaker 2>the hole in Melbourne, otherwise you just you're going to

0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:50.959
<v Speaker 2>have a bad day and it becomes part of your

0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:54.000
<v Speaker 2>instinct or you feel. So there was that the putting

0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:59.320
<v Speaker 2>didn't take. It suited my feeling about putting, Like the way.

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<v Speaker 1>You look in vision as a putt was where when

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<v Speaker 1>you have a big sloper you brought in it was

0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:07.399
<v Speaker 1>fast when you probably understood how to use the slope

0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:08.160
<v Speaker 1>to slow it down.

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<v Speaker 2>It just matched my eye. Whereas we go to the

0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:12.280
<v Speaker 2>slow green flat place, flat green play, we go to

0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:14.080
<v Speaker 2>the bob Hope and they're not slow, they're perfect right

0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:16.280
<v Speaker 2>and the desert but they're dead flat and you've got

0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:18.320
<v Speaker 2>these twenty foot is from right edge, Oh hopeless. I

0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:21.400
<v Speaker 2>couldn't never, And a lot of other guys out there

0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:23.879
<v Speaker 2>are making everything because they seem really easy, like straight

0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:26.200
<v Speaker 2>puts from twenty feet, But for me, I needed a

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<v Speaker 2>to when I got two feet break from twenty feet

0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:30.760
<v Speaker 2>like Capellura, I played great. That was the same big

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<v Speaker 2>sweeping breaks.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's funny I grew up playing a course with

0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:39.080
<v Speaker 1>like big breaks like the greens were very undulating, and

0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:41.800
<v Speaker 1>I always struggle playing courses with really subtle breaks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I really to this day, I struggle with a

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<v Speaker 2>straight twenty foot I'd much rather a twenty foot of

0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:50.080
<v Speaker 2>that broke two feet. Yeah, it's funny, it's I guess

0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:53.520
<v Speaker 2>it's just your natural eye. It's like I struggle with

0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:56.640
<v Speaker 2>pitching on soft greens too. I struggle flying a pitch

0:21:56.640 --> 0:21:58.520
<v Speaker 2>shot to the hole because I grew up having to

0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:00.359
<v Speaker 2>land pitch shots twenty or thirty feet short to have

0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:02.600
<v Speaker 2>them skip and roll up because of the firm greens.

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<v Speaker 2>As much as I practiced my pitching, I still still

0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:07.880
<v Speaker 2>my brain could never fly a pitch shot to the whole,

0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:10.000
<v Speaker 2>really have trouble with it unless there was a bunker

0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:13.080
<v Speaker 2>short of the like unless I had to, but that

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<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to play well. Here I happened to

0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:19.040
<v Speaker 2>be playing well my first I was in a sweet

0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:20.960
<v Speaker 2>spot of form, Like usually when you start getting in

0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:23.040
<v Speaker 2>the Masters, you've been playing pretty well, you've been winning

0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:26.119
<v Speaker 2>two events, so you're top fifteen in the world. I

0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:29.119
<v Speaker 2>was in form and leading up to like that was

0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:31.040
<v Speaker 2>in the period that I was. I started well, won

0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:33.240
<v Speaker 2>the US Over and some WG seas and stuff, so

0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:34.480
<v Speaker 2>I was playing it in the right.

0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:36.919
<v Speaker 1>I noted in my career, I noticed that like a

0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:39.720
<v Speaker 1>couple of years you were in unbelievable for him coming

0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:42.160
<v Speaker 1>in one year you won the match play and then

0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:46.200
<v Speaker 1>second at the Houston Open. I was surprised. I didn't

0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:48.320
<v Speaker 1>remember if two thousand and six was your first one

0:22:48.359 --> 0:22:50.840
<v Speaker 1>then you won your next major at the US Open.

0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:54.520
<v Speaker 1>I was, you know, twenty eleven, you were in the

0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:57.639
<v Speaker 1>thick of it and the back nine. Is there another

0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:00.920
<v Speaker 1>one where you were like were you think think back

0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:04.240
<v Speaker 1>to maybe a stretch of four or five holes or

0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:08.600
<v Speaker 1>a nine that you're like, God, if it hadn't been

0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:09.840
<v Speaker 1>for this, it would have.

0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Been you know, Zack Johnson's year two thousand and seven,

0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:16.320
<v Speaker 2>it was like the most horrific weather ever. And it's

0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:18.160
<v Speaker 2>hard to imagine this week because it's kind of humid

0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:22.160
<v Speaker 2>and stall me right, But it was in the thirties

0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:26.000
<v Speaker 2>most of the week, especially Saturday, it was blowing forty

0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:28.119
<v Speaker 2>and thirty four degreeses. I mean, I mean, it was

0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:30.720
<v Speaker 2>just outrageously cold and windy and difficult. And I think

0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:33.080
<v Speaker 2>Zach ended up winning what one under one over or something.

0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:36.680
<v Speaker 2>But that year I was I'd got about I think

0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:39.920
<v Speaker 2>I was about two or three back on fifteen on Saturday,

0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:42.720
<v Speaker 2>like a pretty good shape right, two or three back,

0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:45.439
<v Speaker 2>with twenty two holes to play. I lay it up

0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:46.920
<v Speaker 2>and this was one of my lessons that I had

0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:48.600
<v Speaker 2>to learn the hard way. I laid it up on

0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:49.960
<v Speaker 2>because it was straight into the wind and you couldn't

0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:52.080
<v Speaker 2>get to fifteen, or I couldn't. I don't think anyone

0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:54.320
<v Speaker 2>did that day. I laid it up on the right

0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:56.880
<v Speaker 2>with a pin on the left that left low pin

0:23:56.920 --> 0:23:58.600
<v Speaker 2>on the left, because I figured, well, you laid it

0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:01.080
<v Speaker 2>up to the right for a left pin, and I

0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:03.960
<v Speaker 2>did that classic lands right on the front, skips up,

0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:07.359
<v Speaker 2>spins into the water, drop again, skips up, drops in

0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:09.159
<v Speaker 2>the water. I made nine, and then I think I

0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:10.800
<v Speaker 2>had a couple of bogies coming in it at like

0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:13.359
<v Speaker 2>seven or eight behind really with eighteen holes, and completely

0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:15.919
<v Speaker 2>ruined the tournament on that moment. And I don't know

0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:17.399
<v Speaker 2>if I would have won, but I was in the

0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:19.600
<v Speaker 2>mix with twenty two holes to play, and with twenty

0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:21.399
<v Speaker 2>one holes to play, I was completely out of it.

0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:24.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, that was a really I had an opportunity.

0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:26.320
<v Speaker 2>I was playing really well on a tough day.

0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:29.800
<v Speaker 1>You came into that year really great for him too.

0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was playing really well, and that was kind

0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:33.440
<v Speaker 2>of the period. I'd won the US Open the year before,

0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:35.439
<v Speaker 2>and I was like feeling it in the majors and

0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:39.480
<v Speaker 2>every major I'd played since, I felt more and more comfortable.

0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:41.439
<v Speaker 2>And it was just one of those moments, and like

0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:43.320
<v Speaker 2>everybody has one of them at Augusta. Most people, if

0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:44.760
<v Speaker 2>you play here for long enough, you have five of

0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:49.640
<v Speaker 2>those moments, right, And it taught me that fifteen at least,

0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:52.320
<v Speaker 2>you have to lay it up as far left as

0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:55.000
<v Speaker 2>you can, because then your pitch shot, if from the right,

0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:58.399
<v Speaker 2>you're landing it on a down slope because the Greeners

0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:01.840
<v Speaker 2>really effectively slopes from front right to back left, if

0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:04.920
<v Speaker 2>that makes sense. It's almost a doubt that makes sense. Almost.

0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:07.000
<v Speaker 2>So your wedge from the right is taking such a

0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:09.400
<v Speaker 2>big first bounce that that's why we see all these

0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:11.439
<v Speaker 2>wedges at land near the pin and just go one

0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:13.560
<v Speaker 2>bounce over the back. But when you're on the very

0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:16.160
<v Speaker 2>left edge of the fairway, you're landing it on quite

0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:18.360
<v Speaker 2>an extreme upslope and you can just bail it out

0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:20.080
<v Speaker 2>twenty feet right of the pin and actually spin it

0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:23.160
<v Speaker 2>back towards the pin from left and it's a flat

0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:27.639
<v Speaker 2>of light. But anyway, that wasn't really because I just

0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:29.479
<v Speaker 2>needed to be really conservative for my wedge and hit

0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:31.280
<v Speaker 2>it to forty feet and realized that today's a good

0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:33.639
<v Speaker 2>day to make five on fifteen, and I didn't. I

0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:35.159
<v Speaker 2>tried to bite off more than I could chew and

0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:36.919
<v Speaker 2>got stubborn on the second one and tried to do

0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:39.719
<v Speaker 2>it again, made a nine and ruined the tournament. But

0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:45.080
<v Speaker 2>that one left a bad taste in my mouth. Twenty

0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:48.639
<v Speaker 2>eleven I left. I mean, I was tied for the

0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:51.919
<v Speaker 2>lead on seventeen. On Sunday seventeen ten and n burdied

0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:53.639
<v Speaker 2>like a bunch of holes in a row playing with

0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Freddy on Sunday, and we both hit at stiff on sixteen,

0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:57.760
<v Speaker 2>and it was just outrageous, like it just the most

0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:02.840
<v Speaker 2>amazing moment ever. Crowd didn't sit down from when Freddie

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:05.080
<v Speaker 2>and I hit it close on sixteen, both those cool

0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:06.800
<v Speaker 2>ones up on the slope and they were rolling down

0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:09.840
<v Speaker 2>like looking like holing ones from the team. They didn't

0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:11.720
<v Speaker 2>sit down until we got to the seventeenth t because

0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:13.800
<v Speaker 2>it's Freddie, right, yeah, and we both made Bertie and

0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Tiger had set the day up by making thirty, shooting

0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:17.919
<v Speaker 2>thirty on the front and people were burning everywhere and

0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Schwartzel was holding shots and I was time lad on

0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:22.960
<v Speaker 2>seventeen part of the last two and lost by four.

0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Adam made a couple of birdies and he was two

0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:27.720
<v Speaker 2>in front with two to play part of the last

0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:29.720
<v Speaker 2>two and lost by two. Schwartzeor just went and birdie

0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:33.000
<v Speaker 2>the last four holes. It was just the most outrageous tournament.

0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 2>And that was the Sunday with the most raws and

0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:39.760
<v Speaker 2>the most noise that it was like, wow, this is

0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:42.600
<v Speaker 2>a special, special tournament. Yeah, so that one I didn't

0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:44.399
<v Speaker 2>leave with any regrets at all because I played great

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:47.960
<v Speaker 2>and whatever. But seven times you.

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Played great and you yeah, that's like the goth you know, and.

0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:52.960
<v Speaker 2>There was ten guys who felt like they should have

0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:55.360
<v Speaker 2>won that tournament, you know, when Schwartzell was probably one

0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:57.680
<v Speaker 2>of the ones that no one He was just another

0:26:57.720 --> 0:27:01.320
<v Speaker 2>one man. I think Adam and Jason Tiger and a

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:02.399
<v Speaker 2>bunch of guys were up there with.

0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:06.639
<v Speaker 1>A chance that back nine feel, especially you're playing with

0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Freddy and the roars. Is there anything else in goth

0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:12.080
<v Speaker 1>that's ever come close to that?

0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:15.480
<v Speaker 2>No, not even close. I mean there's some of those

0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:17.639
<v Speaker 2>fun holes on tour, like Phoenix. Obviously if you hit

0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:19.880
<v Speaker 2>one close and I've made some long puts on sixteen

0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:25.760
<v Speaker 2>and that's louder probably that's kind of fun, but that's

0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:28.879
<v Speaker 2>fun in a goofy kind of carnival way. You know.

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:32.800
<v Speaker 2>This is the build up to this tournament is so immense,

0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:36.159
<v Speaker 2>and it goes for so long. It really goes from

0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:39.600
<v Speaker 2>the PGA right traditionally. I mean, there's people are thinking

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:41.359
<v Speaker 2>about this for a really long time, and especially from

0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:44.440
<v Speaker 2>January onwards. It's Golf Channel and the magazines and the journalists.

0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:46.040
<v Speaker 2>They're all talking about the Masters and the Masters and

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:48.639
<v Speaker 2>the Masters, and it's maybe the first golf tournament a

0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:50.200
<v Speaker 2>lot of people in the country or the well watched

0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:53.520
<v Speaker 2>for the year. It's just such a big deal. And

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:57.560
<v Speaker 2>Tiger goes out and shoots thirty on the front after

0:27:57.640 --> 0:28:00.320
<v Speaker 2>he hadn't won for a while, and it was like

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:03.639
<v Speaker 2>kind of that period that was had been rough for Tiger,

0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:07.679
<v Speaker 2>and that just set the crowd up and it was

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:11.879
<v Speaker 2>so loud, and then it was you just heard. There's

0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:14.760
<v Speaker 2>five or six significant leaderboards that the masters for anyone

0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:16.880
<v Speaker 2>haven't been there, those old school ones where they pull

0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:19.400
<v Speaker 2>it down and they flip the number up and everybody

0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:21.440
<v Speaker 2>always reacts to it. But you hear theose little reactions

0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:23.440
<v Speaker 2>here and there, and when you're putting on we're hitting

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:25.199
<v Speaker 2>off on the twelfth tee, sometimes you hear it the

0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:27.879
<v Speaker 2>one on eleven get locked up and Phil's made a

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:30.439
<v Speaker 2>birdie and everyone kind of, oh, that's cool. But this

0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:33.640
<v Speaker 2>was like out and out raws every time the leaderboard

0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:36.120
<v Speaker 2>got changed, and you could hear, oh, that's the one

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 2>on eleven, just saw that Tiger made eagle. Oh that's

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:40.320
<v Speaker 2>the one on fifteen that just Tiger just made an eagle,

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:42.160
<v Speaker 2>And you could hear the reaction from his eagle. You

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 2>heard the real eagle, and then you heard the echoes

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 2>of his eagle three or four times across the course

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 2>in the next two minutes. It was just I can't

0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 2>even describe it. I mean, everybody in the gate that day,

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:54.680
<v Speaker 2>on that day would have just they had a good day.

0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:56.120
<v Speaker 2>It was just unbelievable.

0:28:56.960 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 1>That's the cool thing with Augusta with the no phone,

0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:07.720
<v Speaker 1>is that, especially now, it's a throwback. Where as a player,

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:11.200
<v Speaker 1>it's probably different too because there's not real time leader

0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 1>boards all over the place. Were you a leaderboard watcher

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:16.400
<v Speaker 1>when you were in the thick of it.

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 2>I didn't study leaderboards, but I always knew what was

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:20.760
<v Speaker 2>going on. I had to know what was going on.

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:26.920
<v Speaker 2>I didn't study names or scores, but I always thought

0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:32.040
<v Speaker 2>it was valuable knowledge to know or look, everybody's bogied fourteen.

0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:34.160
<v Speaker 2>There must be something weird about that, like just pay

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 2>extra attention. So I always thought there was an advantage

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:40.200
<v Speaker 2>to knowing that, an advantage. Sometimes you feel like it's

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 2>really tough and that everybody's making birdies on the leaderboards.

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:44.840
<v Speaker 2>Well maybe I'm not playing for it. It was a

0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:48.200
<v Speaker 2>measure about how you were playing too sometimes, so I

0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 2>watched leaderboards. But it's different here, but you still know

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 2>what's going on. It separates the field a little bit.

0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:57.360
<v Speaker 2>It's usually not like a regulator, and there's twenty guys

0:29:57.360 --> 0:30:00.240
<v Speaker 2>on Sundays sometimes that can win, and you really have

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:02.480
<v Speaker 2>to try to play well, and it's just a complete

0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:04.720
<v Speaker 2>kind of shambles and it doesn't really take shape until

0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 2>the last few holes, right, because there's people playing well everywhere,

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:10.120
<v Speaker 2>but this one you've got a pretty good sense of

0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:13.480
<v Speaker 2>who the major players were in the tournament. There's a

0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 2>guy two groups in front, and you know who's in it.

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:17.000
<v Speaker 2>And there's a guy the group behind you. You know

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 2>who's in it, and you can kind of hear the

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:21.680
<v Speaker 2>roars and feel how he's playing. And you know, I

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:23.680
<v Speaker 2>don't think you've missed out on information as a player

0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:28.480
<v Speaker 2>here just because no digital leaderboards. But it's you're right,

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:30.840
<v Speaker 2>it's for everything annoying, Like we all come to the

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 2>Masters and get annoyed about the old school policies with

0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:36.480
<v Speaker 2>the no phones and it's frustrating. It's so much better.

0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:39.880
<v Speaker 2>It's a throwback to a better period, right, Yeah, the

0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:42.280
<v Speaker 2>cheap food and the no phones. And I'll meet you

0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:44.120
<v Speaker 2>at twelve o'clock under the tree over there on the

0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:47.120
<v Speaker 2>second green, and so I mean it's just it's nice.

0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:52.840
<v Speaker 2>It's just a nice kind of throwback to like probably

0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:55.000
<v Speaker 2>a better time to watch the sporting event in some ways.

0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:59.000
<v Speaker 1>You know. Yeah, the I mean they have to instad now.

0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:01.720
<v Speaker 1>You see everybody with their phones out and they aren't

0:31:01.720 --> 0:31:04.720
<v Speaker 1>even watching. They're like getting a video to watch later.

0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 1>I always find it funny. It happens at concerts too.

0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:09.360
<v Speaker 1>I said to it. I went to a concert the

0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:10.840
<v Speaker 1>other day. I said to my wife, I was like,

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:12.360
<v Speaker 1>a take it to video. I'm like, this is a

0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 1>video I'll never watch again in my life, you know,

0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 1>yeah what.

0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 2>Am I doing?

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 1>And the same thing happens at the events. And I

0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:24.040
<v Speaker 1>think with like, there are some clubs that don't allow

0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:26.280
<v Speaker 1>cell phones now and I'm always annoyed when I pull in,

0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 1>but then I leave my phone in the car and

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 1>I like have the best day on the golf course

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:32.160
<v Speaker 1>that I have. You know, a few times a year

0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:35.120
<v Speaker 1>that I go to those places. It's like that's unbelievable.

0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:39.800
<v Speaker 1>It's like those are I think they hit on something

0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:43.160
<v Speaker 1>with that, with the tradition, and everybody gets annoyed by

0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:46.040
<v Speaker 1>tradition if it inconveniences them, but then they realize, like

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, this is really good. How often would you

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 1>come down to augusta non tournament weeks.

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 2>I always came once every time I played. I think

0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:00.880
<v Speaker 2>every time I played. I came once before the tournament,

0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:04.560
<v Speaker 2>usually bouncing out of the Florida Swing, the old school

0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Florida Swing usually finished about three weeks before the Masters.

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:13.640
<v Speaker 2>We'd play like, yeah, wherever we finish Tampa or bay

0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:15.720
<v Speaker 2>Hill or something, and I'd be going back to Scottsdale

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 2>for a week, and it's three weeks before the tournament,

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 2>and that would logistically geographically for me, I would just

0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:24.320
<v Speaker 2>come and stop by here, usually arrange with Scotty. I

0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:26.840
<v Speaker 2>did it with a few times, and whoever was going

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:30.040
<v Speaker 2>back that direction. How you want to stop at August

0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:31.440
<v Speaker 2>and play for a couple of days. I did it

0:32:31.440 --> 0:32:33.840
<v Speaker 2>every single time. To me, that the best privilege about

0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:35.600
<v Speaker 2>getting an invite to the Masters has been able to

0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 2>do that because it's the Masters is a special week

0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:42.160
<v Speaker 2>and it's really amazing. But being in this, being having

0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:45.960
<v Speaker 2>access and being allowed to play when there's nobody in

0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 2>here is even better. No, It's really incredible.

0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how much different is the course three weeks before

0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:53.640
<v Speaker 1>than it is for the tournament?

0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Wow, there's all the stories about that, like on Wednesday night,

0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:58.960
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, like Thursday morning, it's all faster

0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:03.920
<v Speaker 2>and stuff, And that's kind of true. The fairways are

0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:05.960
<v Speaker 2>a little bit longer. They're trying to make sure there's

0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:10.040
<v Speaker 2>just plenty of grass and like it's not quite as

0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 2>sharpened up I would say, but it's still it's incredible.

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 2>The greens are great. I mean, they might get two

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:18.960
<v Speaker 2>feet faster tournament week, you.

0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Know, pens are a little bit more accessible.

0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Pins are accessible, but it's still Augusta and it's very quiet.

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:29.959
<v Speaker 1>There's always that's got to be weird, right, how quiet

0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:30.280
<v Speaker 1>it is.

0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:33.200
<v Speaker 2>It's incredibly quiet. Yeah, it really is. And Magnolia Lane

0:33:33.240 --> 0:33:35.920
<v Speaker 2>is really kind of special that week because it's when

0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 2>there's no tournament, because it's very frequent, you're the only

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 2>person to drive. There's only a person drives up at

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 2>once an hour or something, you know, and it's just

0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 2>a real kind of it's almost like your own golf club.

0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 2>It's a I don't know, it's just a really special thing.

0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:51.320
<v Speaker 2>And you have you have breakfast and they make you

0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:54.240
<v Speaker 2>anything you want, and then you play eighteen and you

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:56.080
<v Speaker 2>have some lunch and maybe you go play another nine,

0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:57.720
<v Speaker 2>you take an Augusta caddy. You kind of one of

0:33:57.760 --> 0:34:00.360
<v Speaker 2>the dealers. You can come with your cat, but he

0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:02.440
<v Speaker 2>just walks and kind of can take notes. You have

0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:04.680
<v Speaker 2>to take an Augusta caddy outside of the Master this week,

0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:07.960
<v Speaker 2>which is the best thing they do for us, because

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 2>those guys are great. I mean, some of them trying

0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:15.040
<v Speaker 2>to tell you things that you probably already know, which

0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:18.640
<v Speaker 2>is fine, but some of them have got wisdom about

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:20.880
<v Speaker 2>the course. It's just incredible, and you learn something new

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:22.919
<v Speaker 2>off them every time. And they've got all they tell

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:24.680
<v Speaker 2>all a lot of the stories and maybe some of

0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:27.280
<v Speaker 2>the stories they're probably not supposed to tell about the Masters,

0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:29.360
<v Speaker 2>and you kind of you learn a bit of the

0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:32.360
<v Speaker 2>inside gossip from the caddies. And it's just a nice experience.

0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:35.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've usually done it with another tour player

0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 2>or two the odd member here and there. It's just

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 2>an incredible It's just a just one of the best

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:47.320
<v Speaker 2>privileges in golf. If you can get that invite to

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:49.239
<v Speaker 2>the Masters. You can come here pretty much from when

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:52.239
<v Speaker 2>you've got the invite. I don't think you could camp here,

0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 2>but you come here a couple of times and practice.

0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:55.719
<v Speaker 1>Just move in.

0:34:56.120 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you feel like you want to a little bit.

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:02.600
<v Speaker 2>It's just one of my favorite things in my career

0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 2>was coming here early, so I never missed it. I

0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:05.279
<v Speaker 2>always did it.

0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, did you play your practice rounds typically with the

0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:14.479
<v Speaker 1>same guys or same that you have, like a core

0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:16.840
<v Speaker 1>guys that you did it with and then.

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not really here maybe on tour a little bit.

0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 2>It was the regular tournament. It was my peer group

0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:27.920
<v Speaker 2>that the people my age which I would the names

0:35:27.920 --> 0:35:30.680
<v Speaker 2>that everybody knows. It would be like Justin Rose, Trevor Ummerman,

0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Adam Scott, I don't know, Carl Petterson, like all my

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:37.759
<v Speaker 2>age group that I grew up with all the way

0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 2>through amate A Golf, you would usually gravitate towards your

0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 2>peer group like everybody else. Right, the Justin Thomas plays

0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:46.399
<v Speaker 2>with Jordan's Beith because they've grown up together and that

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:50.120
<v Speaker 2>doesn't change in any age group. But the Masters, everyone

0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 2>has their own schedule at a major. You know, some

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:54.440
<v Speaker 2>guys want to play eighteen every day. Some guys want

0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:56.680
<v Speaker 2>to play nine. Go hit balls, go play nine. Some

0:35:56.719 --> 0:35:58.560
<v Speaker 2>guys want to chip and put around the greens for

0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:01.800
<v Speaker 2>forty five minutes on every green. Everybody has a different program.

0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:04.080
<v Speaker 2>I would usually just get to the first tea and

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:06.959
<v Speaker 2>hope there was an older guy there to be honest

0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:10.400
<v Speaker 2>with you, like someone who'd played here a lot. And

0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:13.239
<v Speaker 2>I played with a lot of fun guys in practice rounds,

0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:17.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, like Ian Wusnam and like Freddie and you'd

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:20.160
<v Speaker 2>play with Ben Crenchaw for nine holes or I mean,

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:24.160
<v Speaker 2>it's just anyone who'd been here a lot. I felt

0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:29.239
<v Speaker 2>was you could only just not only ask questions, just

0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:32.359
<v Speaker 2>listen because usually when the experience plays at Augusta, they

0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:35.600
<v Speaker 2>just start talking because it's fun to talk about the

0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:37.680
<v Speaker 2>little stories I've had about I missed it here one

0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:39.560
<v Speaker 2>time I made a seven, or I did this and

0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 2>did that. Little stories and you just gradually pick up stuff.

0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 2>And I really enjoyed getting to the first team and

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:48.120
<v Speaker 2>just seeing who was there.

0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there is there like a story that one of

0:36:52.000 --> 0:36:54.960
<v Speaker 1>the older guys told you that like clicked made you

0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:58.040
<v Speaker 1>think differently about either a hole or shot or the

0:36:58.080 --> 0:36:58.880
<v Speaker 1>course overall.

0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:01.680
<v Speaker 2>No, but when you come here, the caddies all talk

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:05.120
<v Speaker 2>about the grain, like and there isn't any grain on

0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 2>the greens per se. Wow, there's bent grass has a

0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:10.279
<v Speaker 2>bit of grain, but it's not the grain. It's they

0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:12.560
<v Speaker 2>When they say the word grain, they really mean everything

0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:15.840
<v Speaker 2>breaks towards the twelfth green, really like they're always saying, oh, well,

0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:17.399
<v Speaker 2>it break the grains that way, the grains that way,

0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:18.960
<v Speaker 2>the grains that way. And I didn't work it out forever,

0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 2>and then someone I can't remember who it was a

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:23.960
<v Speaker 2>time me, they said, twelve is the low point eleven Green,

0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:27.080
<v Speaker 2>and twelve is the low point Rays Creek. If in doubt,

0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:29.880
<v Speaker 2>the ball will go that way. And I'd never noticed

0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 2>it before that, and you kind of people talk about

0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:35.440
<v Speaker 2>it the kind of the grain thing, and I never

0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:38.800
<v Speaker 2>really clicked for me. But then all of a sudden,

0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:41.080
<v Speaker 2>I kind of went through it one day and I thought, right,

0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:42.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna work out where twelve is in the

0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:45.719
<v Speaker 2>book like in my head, and just just watch where

0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:48.320
<v Speaker 2>the putt breaks. And it's actually true, like a straight

0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:51.319
<v Speaker 2>a part that looks straight, and most of Augusta will

0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:54.120
<v Speaker 2>kind of want to go that way, doesn't. It's not

0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:56.040
<v Speaker 2>obvious and it's not every part, and it's not so

0:37:57.480 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 2>blatant that every partner the course breaks that way, but

0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:01.880
<v Speaker 2>it's if in doubt or if it's a part that

0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:04.160
<v Speaker 2>breaks away from twelve, it'll just break away just a

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:06.560
<v Speaker 2>little bit less than it looks, you know, there's just

0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:10.200
<v Speaker 2>a natural slope that way. And gradually over the years

0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:13.440
<v Speaker 2>of Caddy's drumming it into me and old school players, well,

0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:15.399
<v Speaker 2>of course it breaks that way. It always breaks that way,

0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:18.839
<v Speaker 2>like it's just picking up little throwaway comments for me

0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:20.320
<v Speaker 2>rather than actual out and out advice.

0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:24.960
<v Speaker 1>That makes sense, yeah, it does. So wrapping up, you

0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:27.200
<v Speaker 1>gotta go to the course. I think we might do

0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 1>another one of these this week. What's something about Augusta

0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:37.200
<v Speaker 1>or the Masters that so you just gay it on

0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:42.360
<v Speaker 1>the couch watching, doesn't know? That's really cool, one little insider.

0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I don't know. Wha They just do everything perfectly well,

0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:52.840
<v Speaker 2>like they do everything better than every other golf tournament,

0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:56.920
<v Speaker 2>from driving in the gate to leaving. There is no

0:38:57.000 --> 0:39:03.080
<v Speaker 2>stone unturned. There's a I don't know, it's just what

0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:05.279
<v Speaker 2>do they not know? Everybody knows everything, don't they. The

0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:08.360
<v Speaker 2>thirteenth tee is the coolest place in professional golf, without

0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:13.480
<v Speaker 2>any doubt. There's not even a close second. It is

0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:17.279
<v Speaker 2>really a special place to be the thirteenth tee. There's

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:19.320
<v Speaker 2>a restroom on almost every tea at Augusta that you

0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:20.640
<v Speaker 2>don't know is there for the players.

0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can't see you don't see anime, you know,

0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 1>and like.

0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:26.000
<v Speaker 2>When you first play it, you're like, there's nowhere to

0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:27.799
<v Speaker 2>go to the toilet, there's too many people, and like

0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 2>and then you kind of learn all these there's all

0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:32.200
<v Speaker 2>these little snecret little I mean, that's silly, but that's

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:34.480
<v Speaker 2>that no stone unturned for the players. There's a little

0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 2>hidden bathroom on almost every single tea that's pretty easy

0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:40.920
<v Speaker 2>to access. It's like, wow, just they look after us,

0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:42.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's just brilliant.

0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:46.200
<v Speaker 1>And then people looking for them all you won't see them.

0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:50.160
<v Speaker 2>It's a I don't know. And like every it's just

0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:54.960
<v Speaker 2>that they just don't miss anything. They just don't miss

0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:59.440
<v Speaker 2>a beat. I don't know how to every tournament, every organization,

0:39:59.520 --> 0:40:01.480
<v Speaker 2>almost every in the world, they always get something wrong. Right,

0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:03.520
<v Speaker 2>We've always got something to pick out. I can never

0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:06.200
<v Speaker 2>find anything wrong with this place. It's just better and

0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:11.040
<v Speaker 2>better every year. I'll come back this week and I'll

0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:12.640
<v Speaker 2>see if I can come up with some secrets that

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:15.080
<v Speaker 2>nobody knows. But there's some secrets that Augusta don't want

0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:19.880
<v Speaker 2>people to know too, right, So it's a it's an

0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 2>incredible organization, and I believe unless the there's some players

0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:25.920
<v Speaker 2>who probably just the course doesn't fit their eye and

0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:27.200
<v Speaker 2>it rubs them the wrong way a little bit just

0:40:27.200 --> 0:40:29.480
<v Speaker 2>because they don't play well here, so they're a bit

0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:33.280
<v Speaker 2>jaded about the whole thing. But pretty much across the board,

0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:34.960
<v Speaker 2>this is everybody's favorite tournament.

0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:41.000
<v Speaker 1>MC guy, Ernie just unloaded this year. Did you see

0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:41.760
<v Speaker 1>those comments?

0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:43.000
<v Speaker 2>I think I saw.

0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I didn't read them specifically, but it's just he had

0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:49.240
<v Speaker 1>so many great chances. I mean, I had a stack

0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:51.880
<v Speaker 1>guy on my other podcast who's done like all the

0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:55.799
<v Speaker 1>Strokes gain analysis, and Ernie like should have won like

0:40:55.840 --> 0:40:58.400
<v Speaker 1>three or four based off of like how he's played

0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:00.520
<v Speaker 1>like he just happened to be in a year where

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:03.399
<v Speaker 1>he got beat. He played the best final round from

0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:06.279
<v Speaker 1>strokes game perspective of any player ever, and then he

0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:10.000
<v Speaker 1>phil just happened to Yeah exactly.

0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:14.960
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean I think him and Duval are

0:41:15.000 --> 0:41:18.719
<v Speaker 2>the two players, and Greg Norman obviously West. Yeah, but

0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:21.279
<v Speaker 2>Deval he was in the last group I think three

0:41:21.360 --> 0:41:23.200
<v Speaker 2>years in a row and really didn't do much wrong

0:41:23.239 --> 0:41:25.239
<v Speaker 2>and just didn't win. So someone played better and Ernie

0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:28.000
<v Speaker 2>was the same someone just played better. You know that

0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:30.560
<v Speaker 2>has to have a bad taste in your mouth, But

0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:32.759
<v Speaker 2>I promise you Ernie loves his place and everything about it.

0:41:32.960 --> 0:41:35.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because his nephew is playing this week, which is

0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:35.759
<v Speaker 1>pretty cool.

0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:36.120
<v Speaker 2>Really.

0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he won the he won the Cham British am

0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:47.319
<v Speaker 1>Jovon Rabula. So but who's your pick?

0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:53.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, I would really love to see Rory win. I

0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:57.080
<v Speaker 2>think he's said, regardless of the whole hype about the

0:41:57.120 --> 0:41:59.000
<v Speaker 2>career Grand Slam, I just think he's a good guy

0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:00.719
<v Speaker 2>and I just think it would it suits And if

0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:02.879
<v Speaker 2>Rory doesn't win the Masters, the golf doesn't make sense

0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:05.200
<v Speaker 2>at some point, right. He's just he's a special player

0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:06.799
<v Speaker 2>and he just looks like he should play well here.

0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:11.840
<v Speaker 2>I think Baba has to be right up there with

0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:14.200
<v Speaker 2>the favorites every time you play here. I think loose

0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:15.960
<v Speaker 2>and free, and if he puts well, he's going to

0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:18.400
<v Speaker 2>be in it because it's it's a long hitters left

0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:20.280
<v Speaker 2>it's a left handed, long hitters golf course.

0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:23.759
<v Speaker 1>I heard so the stats guy, the same stass guy,

0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:28.040
<v Speaker 1>said that last year Baba had the greatest driving performance

0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:30.359
<v Speaker 1>ever in a tournament. He drove it as straight as

0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:34.000
<v Speaker 1>longer and as long as Rory, Yeah, picked up like

0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:37.040
<v Speaker 1>seven or eight shots on the field after tea, which is.

0:42:37.120 --> 0:42:40.240
<v Speaker 2>And he'll do that most years here because it's easy

0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:42.800
<v Speaker 2>to fade a driver. Everybody can faded driver, right, I

0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:45.800
<v Speaker 2>mean most people to stop fading their driver. Even pros

0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:47.800
<v Speaker 2>are happy when they can just carve up a driver.

0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:50.759
<v Speaker 2>And that suits here if you can hit it three

0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:52.680
<v Speaker 2>hundred yards with a left handed fade, which is the

0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:58.880
<v Speaker 2>right handed draw problem solved. But that's that's probably the

0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:01.000
<v Speaker 2>long shot, I guess in the current state of affairs.

0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:03.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Dustin's Dustin should be the favorite everywhere. He

0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:07.120
<v Speaker 2>plays as good as he is. Tommy Fleetwood, go, that's

0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Tommy Fleetwood.

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:11.640
<v Speaker 1>Thinking about it, how I like all week I've kind

0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:13.839
<v Speaker 1>of been like Fleetwood, there's something.

0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:16.400
<v Speaker 2>And he's a great de He loves hooking it, loves

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:18.080
<v Speaker 2>in a drawer. It's a big drawer with his driver.

0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:19.759
<v Speaker 2>And Rory is the only other one who hits a

0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:23.759
<v Speaker 2>really big drawer with his driver. Fleetwood and he three

0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:26.239
<v Speaker 2>or four majors. Whenever a guy wins a major, and

0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:28.560
<v Speaker 2>when Danny Willett one here, people were like, well that

0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:29.960
<v Speaker 2>was a bit out of the blue. But it wasn't

0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:32.200
<v Speaker 2>the two or three previous Majors. He'd been kind of

0:43:32.239 --> 0:43:33.960
<v Speaker 2>putting his head in there, and he actually led Saint

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<v Speaker 2>Andrews a lot the year before, two Majors before, he'd

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<v Speaker 2>been in front for a lot of the tournament. Fleetwood's

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<v Speaker 2>been that guy the last kind of two months. Yea,

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<v Speaker 2>like up there in the Majors and they're deeper it

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<v Speaker 2>on Sunday. Best player at the Rider Cup probably or

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best players at the Rider Cup, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think. And he looks like he's got the bottle

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<v Speaker 2>to do it, you know, like the fire and if

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<v Speaker 2>he gets in the mix, Look, he just plays well

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<v Speaker 2>under that big pressure, right, So Fleetwood, that would be great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, Well, we'll talk to you again this

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<v Speaker 1>week and uh excited to watch. Thanks for coming on.

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<v Speaker 2>Good stuff, No worries,