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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to.

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Speaker 2: The Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My guest today is

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Speaker 2: Tony Kinnitt. Tony is national correspondent for The Daily Signal

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Speaker 2: and host of the nationally syndicated Tony Kinnitt Cast and

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Speaker 2: The Daily Signal's Top News in ten.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Tony's so nice to have you on.

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Speaker 3: Hi. Sorry about the mouthful there.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I feel like you deserve every one

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Speaker 1: of those words. So it's okay.

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Speaker 3: It's any consolation.

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Speaker 4: I tried very hard to originally when it was just

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Speaker 4: a tiny radio show in Indianapolis, to have it named

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Speaker 4: anything else at all, and the station manager said, no,

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Speaker 4: it needs to be branded to your name, kid, and

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Speaker 4: so it's stuck forever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I hear you, Carol Marcowitz Show, right,

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Speaker 2: you have to put.

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Speaker 1: Your name right in it.

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Speaker 2: So tell me about your path to getting into this

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Speaker 2: thing of ours.

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Speaker 1: I know you were a teacher. How did you make

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Speaker 1: the change?

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Speaker 4: Man? I mess around with a like video and do

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Speaker 4: stuff and politics. As a kid, I always enjoyed it.

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Speaker 4: When I was in college, I worked in a Governor

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Speaker 4: Scott Walker's office in Wisconsin a little bit, did a

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Speaker 4: little bit of theater and acting stuff. Not as a

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Speaker 4: just you know, kind of over on the sidelines, enjoyed

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Speaker 4: a little bit of everything. And I got into teaching

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Speaker 4: mostly because I knew I wanted to do some science

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Speaker 4: at first, because everyone likes d majors. But I got

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Speaker 4: into teaching in college the first couple of times and

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Speaker 4: fell in love with it. The click moment, like when

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Speaker 4: it all makes sense, like the light bulb just turns on.

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Speaker 3: I fell in love with that.

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Speaker 4: And so I really enjoyed teaching middle school students, which everyone.

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Speaker 3: Else said was the worst, basically courting.

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Speaker 1: Death, Yeah right, the worst.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I looked because they were they were smart

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Speaker 4: enough to zip up their own pants, like they didn't

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Speaker 3: And I loved it.

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Speaker 4: So if you've ever seen the movie Hoosiers, I started

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Speaker 4: my teaching career two years teaching in the school that

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Speaker 3: and that was not a wow. I must be God's

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Speaker 4: As much as I thought something might be a little

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Speaker 1: Like, I'm pretty good at this, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I didn't think I was all that in a bag

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Speaker 4: write for this tiny publication that had just started called

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Speaker 4: Lone Conservative. Formerly Cassie Dylan now Kassie Akiva was running,

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Speaker 3: Wrote a couple of articles for it. Loved it.

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Speaker 4: I just fell in love with writing. Got to master's

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Speaker 4: Something about getting in there and writing about what we're

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Speaker 4: got married and then moved to Indianapolis to this school

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Speaker 4: Being asked to do, ironically enough, was the stuff that

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Speaker 3: That was me with critical race theory. I loved it.

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Speaker 4: And so eventually, by that point we had started this

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Speaker 4: It took off because again it was an open forum

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Speaker 4: asked directly to lie to our parents and teachers. That's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was right before Youngkin's election. I remember because

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Speaker 4: Nicole Wallace had said critical race theory, which isn't real,

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Speaker 4: and like that was there's gas lighting and then there's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what that was.

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Speaker 4: And this little tiny corner of a spare bedroom that

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Speaker 3: Enough in the world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it looks good.

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Speaker 3: Actually, thank you.

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Speaker 4: I sat down and said, when we tell you that

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Speaker 4: Keep looking and I showed all of these citations because

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Speaker 4: I was a former science teacher. Citations were how I

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Speaker 3: They banned me from coming back to the school.

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Speaker 4: They said I had caused psychological trauma to my colleagues,

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Speaker 3: Was in the delivery room. Wow, which was you know,

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Speaker 4: And so after that just kind of hopped into this

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Speaker 2: Well story, that's incredible. Do you still consider education kind

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Speaker 3: Us and know I love education.

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Speaker 2: Because associate you with education. Well, I know you talked

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean when you get involved in education and

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Speaker 4: education publication. You know, you work with Christopherfoon and I

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Speaker 4: and I still do, talk about a lot of education.

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Speaker 4: Most of my obsession these days is probably in developmental

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Speaker 4: and pattern psychology. So I really enjoy, for example, right now,

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Speaker 4: of expanding beyond that. Education is a huge part of

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Speaker 2: I feel like there's education is just one battleground in

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Speaker 2: It all comes down to it's like a one blob

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Speaker 1: It's like they they.

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Speaker 2: Push the agenda, their agenda in schools, but they also

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Speaker 2: all these different places. So I don't see education as

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Speaker 4: No, I think I think that's fair when I when

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Speaker 4: I say that education isn't my main focus. I do

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Speaker 4: a little bit of education policy advising, and I used.

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Speaker 3: To do a lot more of it.

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Speaker 4: I don't really throw all of my weight into that anymore,

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Speaker 4: just like I don't really do investigative column work and write.

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Speaker 3: As much as I used to, although I miss it.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of broadcast work that just involves being

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Speaker 4: everything cranny. But the pattern recognition kind of the developmental

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Speaker 4: psychology that's a huge facet of health science right now,

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Speaker 4: or the LGBTQ plus two IA and the transgender hormone

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Speaker 4: it's so like you said, it's all part of this

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Speaker 4: omni cause to an extent where even if I'm covering,

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Speaker 4: you know, some kind of a pro Hamas riot, it's

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Speaker 1: Right because it all does tie together.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Israel is that war.

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Speaker 2: I ran a nation that has vowed to wipe Israel

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Speaker 2: necessary act of self defense, Israel struck Iranian nuclear facilities,

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Speaker 2: military targets, and top leadership. Right now, the International Fellowship

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Speaker 2: I love it well. I have loved this conversation. I've

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Speaker 4: Lee.

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Speaker 3: That's very kind.

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Speaker 1: Leave us here with.

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Speaker 2: Your best tip for my listeners on how they can improve.

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Speaker 4: Their lives for Carol's listeners, obviously, if you're for listening

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Speaker 4: to Carol, you're already doing a lot of things correctly.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't have to tell you that I've

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Speaker 4: You should be practicing writing. It keeps you mentally healthy,

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Read your Bible kids, it really does work. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much, Tony he Is Tony Kennett. Check them out

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Speaker 2: at top news in ten.

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Speaker 1: On the Daily Signal site. Thank you so much, Tony,

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Speaker 1: Thanks Carol,