Speaker 1: Look girl, it's only films to be buried with. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to films to be buried with. My name
Speaker 1: is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian, an actor, a writer,
Speaker 1: a director, a pink panther, and I love film. As
Speaker 1: Frank Herbert once said, there is no real ending. It's
Speaker 1: just the place where you stop the story. Hence where
Speaker 1: the title of the film Never Ending Story is justified
Speaker 1: despite its running time. Fair play Frank Yes smart. Every
Speaker 1: week I'm a special guest over. I tell them they've died,
Speaker 1: and I get them to discuss their life through the
Speaker 1: films that meant the most of them. Previous guests include
Speaker 1: Barry Jenkins, Himmespitel, Sharon Stone and even But this week
Speaker 1: it's the brilliant actor, writer, podcaster and producer Star Have
Speaker 1: Always Sunny in Philadelphia and the excellent film BlackBerry. It's
Speaker 1: mister Glenn Howardon. Head over to the Patreon at patreon
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Speaker 1: extra twenty five minutes a chat with Glenn. You get
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Speaker 1: Forward slefst Brett Goldstein, So, Glenn Howardton is an excellent
Speaker 1: actor and writer, amongst many other things. You're known him
Speaker 1: from Always Sunny in Philadelphia and ap Bio, But if
Speaker 1: you haven't seen his film BlackBerry, I highly recommend it.
Speaker 1: It's an excellent film. He gives a totally surprising and
Speaker 1: brilliant performance in it. I really loved it. You should
Speaker 1: check it out. We recorded this on Zoom a few
Speaker 1: months ago. We'd never met before, but what a fucking
Speaker 1: great time we had. I really think you're going to
Speaker 1: love this one. So that is it for now. I
Speaker 1: very much hope you enjoy episode two hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: eight of Films to be Buried With. Hello, and welcome
Speaker 1: to Films to be Buried With. It is I, Brett Goldstein,
Speaker 1: and I am joined today. Writer, a creator, an actor,
Speaker 1: a podcaster, a live performer, an improviser, a teacher, a doctor,
Speaker 1: a businessman, a cranker, and an even more voltage cranker.
Speaker 1: He's here, He's alive. I can't believe he's in front
Speaker 1: of me, can you? Well? He is. Let's welcome to
Speaker 1: the show. It's the one and only the man the legend.
Speaker 1: It's Glenn Happen.
Speaker 2: How you doing man?
Speaker 1: How are you? Thank you for doing this? How's it going?
Speaker 3: It's gone great. I have a question, is this is
Speaker 3: this on video? Are we videoing this? Or is this
Speaker 3: just audio? I've only listened to the podcast.
Speaker 1: There is a video that goes black and white to
Speaker 1: the patreons like it's a film. No if you come
Speaker 1: to with that, or we get rid of the video.
Speaker 1: But you look fucking great.
Speaker 2: Thanks man, great.
Speaker 3: I got I got a I got a fresh summer cut,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Fresh. Hello. Tell me There's so many things I want
Speaker 1: to ask you about. Let's okay, let's start at the
Speaker 1: present day. I saw your film BlackBerry. It's fucking excellent.
Speaker 1: It is one of the films of the year by
Speaker 1: a long shot. It's excellent, You're excellent in it. And
Speaker 1: what I really like about it, it's a proper like
Speaker 1: I wonder. My guess would be that you are in
Speaker 1: that position of being a very very funny, very funny
Speaker 1: comic actor who sometimes wants to be like, hey, look
Speaker 1: I'm actually a really good dramatic accer, and then you
Speaker 1: do BlackBerry and it is like second second into it,
Speaker 1: You're like, holy shit, this guy's a really good dramatic accer.
Speaker 1: You're so like from the top, it doesn't take adjustment.
Speaker 1: That's what's interesting about it, knowing that I know you
Speaker 1: from so many other things. You bang bang in straight
Speaker 1: from the top. It's a great film and you're great.
Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that. I Yeah.
Speaker 3: The weird thing is is I always wanted to be
Speaker 3: a dramatic actor. That was what I strove to be
Speaker 3: my whole young acting life, but actually kept getting pulled
Speaker 3: into comedy. And it's not that I didn't enjoy comedy.
Speaker 3: I did enjoy it. I liked it. I loved it actually,
Speaker 3: but it was never my ambition to become a comic actor.
Speaker 3: And then you know, next thing, I know, it's like
Speaker 3: all I'm doing And.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but funny is funny. Some people are funny and
Speaker 1: you can't help it. And there's a lot of it's
Speaker 1: a lot of people who aren't funny. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of dramatic people who would love to do the opposite way.
Speaker 1: And I mean, you've.
Speaker 3: Got the gift, Well, thank you. It's yeah, it's fun
Speaker 3: to look. It is very un touched. It's very I
Speaker 3: mean comedy is just really fun. It's undeniably fun to
Speaker 3: work on comedy. It's undeniably fun to come to work
Speaker 3: every day. And the object is to make.
Speaker 2: People laugh, as opposed to to.
Speaker 3: Make them feel things, which is great, but not as
Speaker 3: much fun as making people laugh. So I think in
Speaker 3: some ways I was always destined to do it.
Speaker 2: I just was in denial for a long time.
Speaker 3: And now I want to see what it's like to
Speaker 3: make people cry.
Speaker 1: You can do it. You can do it ex When
Speaker 1: you were making but on BlackBerry. You've also got to
Speaker 1: be fair. It's a cast of comic act is actually
Speaker 1: in it. So yeah, by definition, who were all very,
Speaker 1: very very good. Was it funny on set we having
Speaker 1: a right old time between takes? Or was it a
Speaker 1: bit more serious?
Speaker 3: I think because the tone of the movie is not
Speaker 3: overtly comic, even though it is funny. Yeah, everyone is
Speaker 3: doing their best to turn in a dramatic performance, and
Speaker 3: ideally what's funny about it is just sort of the circumstances,
Speaker 3: the ridiculousness of the situations, the absurdity of how extreme
Speaker 3: their decisions are, and et cetera. The laughing is almost
Speaker 3: more of a release valve so it wasn't the same
Speaker 3: as being on the set of a true comedy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was. But we were having fun for sure.
Speaker 1: And then at the other end of the scale and
Speaker 1: the other end of your career, you started Always Tunny
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, and forty five years later, you're still making
Speaker 1: it and it is now like the Simpsons. Rights as
Speaker 1: long as is it longer than the Simpsons? No? Oh,
Speaker 1: how long is it? Nineteen eighteen seasons?
Speaker 3: Well, we've been on the air for eighteen years. The
Speaker 3: show is so cool. Yeah, the sixteenth season is airing
Speaker 3: right now, and we have been working on the show
Speaker 3: in some form or another for almost twenty years.
Speaker 1: Basically, wow, yeah, okay, So here's my question on that, right.
Speaker 1: I would also guess this is all speculation that there
Speaker 1: was probably a point year five where you thought, well,
Speaker 1: this is going to come to an end and we're
Speaker 1: going to have to There must have been a point
Speaker 1: where you thought it would end. Then you made a
Speaker 1: decision for it not to end. I imagine that's gone
Speaker 1: up and down, and then it's like, oh, do we
Speaker 1: get to do this forever? And you've changed and you've
Speaker 1: grown and you're all this, but it's still fucking funny,
Speaker 1: and they're all your friends. Why wouldn't you do this forever?
Speaker 1: Tell me your version of my speculation.
Speaker 3: That's I know your speculation is almost exactly right. I'd
Speaker 3: say about it was about year six, the season six,
Speaker 3: I should say that I started to get a little
Speaker 3: antsy to move on. I started to feel like it
Speaker 3: was preventing me from pursuing other ambitions that I had
Speaker 3: as a performer. And then I kind of came out
Speaker 3: of that funk for season seven and really hit it
Speaker 3: hard in season seven. Was very excited about it, and
Speaker 3: that was the last season that we were contracted to
Speaker 3: do at that point.
Speaker 2: And so when we finished.
Speaker 3: When we wrapped season seven, we didn't know if we
Speaker 3: were going to get picked up again, and I was
Speaker 3: sort of okay with it being over. I was really sad.
Speaker 3: I remember thinking like, oh, man, that's really sad if
Speaker 3: that was the last time I get to play that
Speaker 3: character and last time I get to do those scenes
Speaker 3: with these with these guys. And then they picked us
Speaker 3: up for like three more seasons, and that was both
Speaker 3: incredible and also terrifying at the same time, just that
Speaker 3: the thought of having to do three more at that
Speaker 3: point was just you know, and then yeah, I kind
Speaker 3: of hit a wall again around season twelve, and I
Speaker 3: tried to dip on the show, and I did dip
Speaker 3: as a writer and as a producer, and then they
Speaker 3: they kept pulling me back in as an actor. And
Speaker 3: then finally season fifteen, I gave in and just came
Speaker 3: back full time.
Speaker 2: I was like, I guess this is just who I am,
Speaker 2: this is my life. Yeah, yeah, this is who I am.
Speaker 3: But you're but you're also right, like it's it's very
Speaker 3: seductive because it's a really fun show to work on,
Speaker 3: and we can we can go to so many crazy
Speaker 3: places that I think a lot of shows can't go to,
Speaker 3: and and I get to work with my friends. So
Speaker 3: it's a it's extraordinary privilege that I try not to
Speaker 3: take for granted, and I don't take it for granted,
Speaker 3: but there have been definitely times where I felt like,
Speaker 3: you know, there it was a golden handcuffs kind of situation.
Speaker 1: Do you think between you, that sort of ebb and
Speaker 1: flow of that feeling. Do you take turns with that feeling?
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Have you been telling
Speaker 1: the other one? No? Hey, hey, come on, it's the
Speaker 1: best time of our lives or is it only been
Speaker 1: used had that fit?
Speaker 2: It's only been me? But I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I don't understand why those guys are both so busy
Speaker 3: with other things. I'm kind of surprised. I think they
Speaker 3: just I think they were just able to have a
Speaker 3: little bit better more perspective on it maybe than me,
Speaker 3: or at least a different perspective, which is, hey, this
Speaker 3: is so fun, this is the dream. We should figure
Speaker 3: out a way rather than ending the show, we should
Speaker 3: figure out a way to be able to do both
Speaker 3: pursue our other interests and still continue doing the show.
Speaker 1: I guess I say this like in terms of like
Speaker 1: legacy and stuff. It's amazing that the show is as
Speaker 1: good as it always has been, frankly, and it's like
Speaker 1: eighteen years. But like, was there a tipping point between like,
Speaker 1: oh god, what if we can't keep this level up?
Speaker 1: To No, We've got this, We've got this, this can
Speaker 1: run forever, do you know what I mean? In the
Speaker 1: same way I think with the Simpsons, like at some
Speaker 1: point they must have if it's this thing, if we
Speaker 1: have to make this perfect two season thing, or you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like and it becomes no, I
Speaker 1: can just keep going because it's really good, Like, do
Speaker 1: you lose faith in that side of it quality? I
Speaker 1: guess it.
Speaker 3: Definitely becomes more and more difficult each season to come
Speaker 3: up with new and interesting things, you know, But that's
Speaker 3: just by virtue of the fact that for as loose
Speaker 3: as the premise is, it gives us a lot of freedom.
Speaker 3: But at the same time that the characters have been
Speaker 3: established to have certain characteristics and you can't chang change
Speaker 3: those characteristics, so the challenge is less. And you're a writer,
Speaker 3: so maybe you can relate to this too. But it's
Speaker 3: the world is constantly providing great stories or things to satirize,
Speaker 3: you know, ideas, so it's not difficult coming up with
Speaker 3: ideas for stories. What is difficult is coming up with
Speaker 3: a point of view that you haven't seen the character
Speaker 3: express in a comedic way yet, or a variation of
Speaker 3: what you've seen, because you can't change again. You can't
Speaker 3: change the character entirely. But you also don't want to
Speaker 3: see the same reactions from the characters over and over
Speaker 3: again because it gets old and it feels like you're
Speaker 3: just kind of leaning on catchphrases and old jokes that
Speaker 3: you've established, you know, and to some degree, I think
Speaker 3: that's unavoidable because again, you've established certain characteristics that the
Speaker 3: characters have, but you don't want to lean on that
Speaker 3: too much. So you have to come up with new
Speaker 3: dimensions to a character that you've been exploring for twenty years.
Speaker 2: And that's difficult.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you also have you can't particularly with your character,
Speaker 1: they can't change too much. It is I do think
Speaker 1: it's incredible any stickle on that runs for years and
Speaker 1: years there, but it because isn't the game. Like, for example,
Speaker 1: in this scene, the character is definitely going to be
Speaker 1: outraged by what has just happened. So it's like there's
Speaker 1: a million different ways of expressing outrage and that's the
Speaker 1: game in this Like, we know his reaction is going
Speaker 1: to be in this area, So how do we do
Speaker 1: an original way of that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Right, and how do you do that?
Speaker 1: Where?
Speaker 3: Because one of my favorite things about early any entertainment,
Speaker 3: but especially in comedy is I want to be shocked.
Speaker 2: I want to be a little shocked.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, initially, I think there was a
Speaker 3: lot of talk and always has been a lot of
Speaker 3: talk regarding our show about like us pushing boundaries or
Speaker 3: you know, the shock value of the show. And it's
Speaker 3: never our intention to push boundaries for the sake of
Speaker 3: pushing boundaries, but I do think that you have to
Speaker 3: kind of shock people a little bit Otherwise, I don't know,
Speaker 3: you can't keep people engaged in the way that I
Speaker 3: like for entertainment to be engaging, I want to be
Speaker 3: sitting forward in my seat, not sitting back, and I
Speaker 3: need a little bit of like, whoa, that's wow, I
Speaker 3: can't believe they did that, or or I was not
Speaker 3: expecting that or normally you know so, so I think
Speaker 3: that's that. But that's also the fun in it, too,
Speaker 3: is when you find those variations, being able to present
Speaker 3: them in a way that feels like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: surprising or not what the audience expected, even for the
Speaker 3: long term fan of the show who's seen every episode.
Speaker 1: Amazing and now you do this podcast so you can
Speaker 1: hang out even more. I mean, it just seems like
Speaker 1: you really like you really like spending time together. And
Speaker 1: I do think that's like a secret to my to
Speaker 1: my TV shides. I think the secret is if there's
Speaker 1: a group of people that genuinely like each other, yeah,
Speaker 1: or really that's you want to hang out with them,
Speaker 1: that's the deal, right guy?
Speaker 2: I think that Yeah, I think that's absolutely right.
Speaker 3: I think there's no you can't totally fake chemistry, right,
Speaker 3: There needs to be some chemistry, some real chemistry there,
Speaker 3: and we do. I think it's that that's an interesting dichotomy,
Speaker 3: is that our characters are so awful to each other,
Speaker 3: but we as people love each other and support each other.
Speaker 3: And and I think that that comes through regardless of
Speaker 3: the awfulness of the characters.
Speaker 2: And I do think that's that's kind of the secret
Speaker 2: sauce of it.
Speaker 1: Do you ask you this question? Maybe it's two personal
Speaker 1: and we can cut it. It's given that you kind
Speaker 1: of you're an ensemble show that started before any of
Speaker 1: you were famous. I imagine now you're all older, Miiser
Speaker 1: and Setive. Was there a period where you might be
Speaker 1: jealous of each other doing other things, or you know,
Speaker 1: someone going off to a film. How are all your
Speaker 1: egos managing your success? I suppose over the years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a very fair question, because I do think
Speaker 3: that that's something that can cause a lot of problems
Speaker 3: with TV shows. Right, if you have a breakout character,
Speaker 3: you have a breakout actor from a show who you
Speaker 3: know suddenly is getting all these incredible opportunities because of
Speaker 3: the show that you're also on, and you don't get
Speaker 3: those same opportunities. It can lead to a lot of
Speaker 3: jealousy and weird feelings and sort of like all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, you're not on equal footing and all this
Speaker 3: kind of stuff, and it's a little goofy. And you know,
Speaker 3: I would say, for sure, initially, you know Charlie, because
Speaker 3: he's so incredibly talent and so incredibly funny, he broke
Speaker 3: out as was expected. Even when I watched the show,
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's the guy that I would want to
Speaker 3: see immediately do other things as well. For some reason,
Speaker 3: Rob and I both well all of us really, even Caitlin,
Speaker 3: and you know, Danny's already a massive movie star, so
Speaker 3: what does he care?
Speaker 2: But we're just not.
Speaker 3: I guess I'm just I've never been I've never been
Speaker 3: the type of person to resent somebody else's success or
Speaker 3: or to feel jealous of somebody else's say. I mean,
Speaker 3: I've had I've had twinges of it. Certainly, it's not
Speaker 3: I'm not impervious. I'm not impervious to it.
Speaker 2: But I guess for me.
Speaker 3: You know, look, I love Charlie so much as a
Speaker 3: human being, as a person, as a friend, and he's
Speaker 3: always been so incredibly supportive of me, and I think
Speaker 3: he's genuinely made me a better performer an actor overall.
Speaker 3: He's added so much to my life. I've so so
Speaker 3: much gratitude for him as a human being that when
Speaker 3: I started seeing him break out, because we really came
Speaker 3: up together on this show, instead of being jealous, I
Speaker 3: was really like, really proud of him, and I was
Speaker 3: really really happy to see him succeed in that way.
Speaker 2: I mean not genuinely.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, it's like, yeah, no, I love
Speaker 1: the sense to it.
Speaker 2: It's it's true. I mean, it really is, you know.
Speaker 2: And he stayed.
Speaker 3: But he also continued to stay loyal to the show
Speaker 3: even after he started starring in movies. He didn't go, oh,
Speaker 3: now I'm gonna go off and be a movie star
Speaker 3: and you know, screw you guys and kind of leave
Speaker 3: us behind. He recognized that it was still a great
Speaker 3: creative outlet for him, and so maybe maybe I would
Speaker 3: have been a little bit more upset if he had
Speaker 3: left the show or something. But and then you know,
Speaker 3: with Rob now going off and owning a soccer team,
Speaker 3: and you know, becoming best friends with Ryan Reynolds, who's
Speaker 3: a massive movie star.
Speaker 2: It was kind of the same thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's I see his talent and his brains
Speaker 3: and his intelligence, and I'm like, it's almost more like
Speaker 3: I wonder why what took him so long?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, So I don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's just some of it is just
Speaker 3: I inherently don't really have that thing that makes me
Speaker 3: feel that way. So this is the nature of who
Speaker 3: who we are as people were. We never take each
Speaker 3: other for granted.
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna make me cry. We're fucking seventeen minutes
Speaker 1: in piece of shit?
Speaker 2: Who knew you were such a softy? Brett?
Speaker 1: Don't tell anyone, right, is there? It is the deal.
Speaker 1: I've forgotten to tell you something, and I should have
Speaker 1: said it up to No do this. I feel terrible
Speaker 1: about it, but what well, I'll just say it. You've died.
Speaker 1: You're dead. Dead, You're dead.
Speaker 2: What do you like? Actually dead?
Speaker 1: Like I I actually got You're dead? Yeah you did?
Speaker 1: How did you die?
Speaker 2: Oh my god?
Speaker 1: I did? Yeah? Wow? Yeah? Do you remember?
Speaker 2: Wait a minute? Mm hmm yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: It's weird that I didn't know that going into this,
Speaker 3: because I guess I always thought that if you were dead,
Speaker 3: you you knew that you were dead. But now I'm
Speaker 3: realizing it's.
Speaker 1: Sort of it's my job to intellgion. I forgot to
Speaker 1: be fair, so don't. I don't want you being yourself
Speaker 1: up about this.
Speaker 3: I should have said, Okay, so you were actually charged
Speaker 3: with letting me know that I died.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so it self. You know, you make
Speaker 1: your own business, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't. I was hired. I sort of took
Speaker 1: the job.
Speaker 2: I understand.
Speaker 3: So now that you've brought it up and yeah, and
Speaker 3: now that it's all coming back to me, which is,
Speaker 3: I guess what happens when you die and somebody tells
Speaker 3: her that you die suddenly, now you you remember.
Speaker 2: All the ways.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, so okay, here it's a little it's
Speaker 3: a little crazy. All right, it's going to sound kind
Speaker 3: of insane, but okay, here's what happened. So, in an
Speaker 3: effort to fulfill what was I would say, a lifelong
Speaker 3: childhood dream of mine of becoming Spider Man, right, what
Speaker 3: I did was I I purposely got myself bitten by
Speaker 3: a radioactive spider. And and it was first of all,
Speaker 3: that was difficult to find a radioactive spider, and it
Speaker 3: was difficult to break into the facility and all that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. But anyway, I won't go into that
Speaker 3: part of the story, but suffice it to say I
Speaker 3: was able to pull off getting bit by reactive radioactive spider.
Speaker 3: And I at first it was going great, right, you know,
Speaker 3: I was almost instantly strong and fit. Next thing I
Speaker 3: knew I could I could climb walls and you know,
Speaker 3: stuff like that. And I even had I even had
Speaker 3: the spidy senses.
Speaker 1: Yeah I could.
Speaker 3: I could sense things sort of before they were about
Speaker 3: to happen or and I was also really really fast.
Speaker 2: My speed just shot up. Is extraordinary, Yeah, no, it was.
Speaker 3: And it all kind of happened incrementally over the course
Speaker 3: of like I would say, three or four days, just
Speaker 3: you know, Okay, suddenly I would notice these new these
Speaker 3: new things.
Speaker 1: Did your family know we keep an it quiet?
Speaker 3: I wanted to keep it quiet because I wanted to
Speaker 3: have the option of it just being fully like a
Speaker 3: secret identity type situation. I wanted the option on the table.
Speaker 3: I figured out a certain point, I would probably have
Speaker 3: to tell my wife just because you can't really I
Speaker 3: think she would start to notice.
Speaker 1: Things if you were on the ceiling when you went
Speaker 1: to bed and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, or should catch me, you know, practicing
Speaker 3: climbing up the side of the house or.
Speaker 2: Something like that.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: The weird thing is that I couldn't I couldn't figure
Speaker 3: out how to get webs to shoot out of my
Speaker 3: wrists for whatever reason. That that that part of it
Speaker 3: wasn't working, and that that's part that's one of the
Speaker 3: most fun parts, right is shooting the webs out of
Speaker 3: your wrist and then you know, attaching it to buildings
Speaker 3: and like being able to swing around and you know,
Speaker 3: so that was kind of a bummer, but I kept
Speaker 3: I kept, I kept kind of working on it. And
Speaker 3: then one day I was, I mean, this is kind
Speaker 3: of gross, but I was. I was taking a ship
Speaker 3: and I shipped a spider web and and I found.
Speaker 1: Out, yeah, that's where they come from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was like, well, okay, I guess I
Speaker 3: guess that kind of makes sense. Like you can't expect
Speaker 3: to get bit by a radioactive spider and have your
Speaker 3: powers like be exactly like what you've seen in movies,
Speaker 3: because that's a movie and this is real.
Speaker 1: And there's no hole in your wrist, so it makes sense.
Speaker 1: What were the webs coming out exactly?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I and I realized that in retrospect, I
Speaker 3: was like, well, yeah, worse, that makes that actually makes
Speaker 3: more sense. Okay, I can work with that, right, So
Speaker 3: I'll just figure out I can figure out a way
Speaker 3: to work with that, right because training in martial arts
Speaker 3: and training to you know, figure out how to get
Speaker 3: it to come out of my butt and still be
Speaker 3: able to swing by it.
Speaker 2: Like I figured that was all workable, right, I could
Speaker 2: figure that out.
Speaker 1: I just figure you've got to go. But first everywhere,
Speaker 1: that's the issue I see, is like you're aiming for
Speaker 1: like tops of buildings. You can have to be mm hmm.
Speaker 3: But right, well, in my mind, I thought like, well, no,
Speaker 3: it'll come out of my butt, but then I'll swing
Speaker 3: it around and I'll just it'll be like sort of
Speaker 3: a thong situation.
Speaker 2: But again, okay, okay, so it'll be almost more like.
Speaker 3: I'm sitting on the spider web because if I'm upright,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, and it's like coming this way,
Speaker 3: but then I could still kind of grab onto it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I hadn't like a sort of rollercoaster, see,
Speaker 1: like one of those hanging.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, not unlike that. Yeah yeah, okay, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: So I thought this is workable. I'll figure this out eventually.
Speaker 3: But I be told that that was that the first sign.
Speaker 3: That was really when things started to take a little
Speaker 3: bit of a turn.
Speaker 2: Jesus. Yeah. So here's what I learned.
Speaker 3: The truth is like when you get bit by a
Speaker 3: radioactive spider, and this is true, you do get you
Speaker 3: do get the spider Man powers at first, but the
Speaker 3: metamorphosis doesn't stop there, do.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Unfortunately. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So soon after that, I started growing a lot of
Speaker 3: hairs everywhere, and it was pretty gross, and I was
Speaker 3: like trying to wax it and stuff like that, but
Speaker 3: it was just coming back so fast.
Speaker 2: And then there was no hiding.
Speaker 3: In anymore because legs started protruding from my body and
Speaker 3: I and I oh Jesus yeah, and eyes started appearing
Speaker 3: on my back.
Speaker 2: Wow, it was pretty gnarly.
Speaker 1: What did your wife say?
Speaker 3: Well, she said, maybe there's something we can do. And
Speaker 3: I said, I don't know. I don't think there's an
Speaker 3: antidote for this. But we you know, she was doing
Speaker 3: a lot of Internet research and couldn't find any you know,
Speaker 3: stores of people who had done what I had done
Speaker 3: in real life. Everything was coming from my comic books.
Speaker 3: And she was like, well, this is all comic book logic.
Speaker 3: It doesn't you know, this is not Yeah, what do
Speaker 3: you do when I I boz a beer on your
Speaker 3: husband's back. She's googling and stuff like that. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: that was the point at which and by the way,
Speaker 3: I still had all the Spider Man powers, so that
Speaker 3: was awesome, but at that point, like I was, so,
Speaker 3: I was becoming quite gruesome to look at. So it
Speaker 3: was like not as much fun because you want to
Speaker 3: be you know, sexy and ripped and have Spider Man powers.
Speaker 3: But you know, this is I had to learn the
Speaker 3: hard way that that that's just not how it worked.
Speaker 3: And I suddenly had an insatiable craving for meat. I
Speaker 3: grew fangs and I and I'm not proud of this,
Speaker 3: but I started eating folks.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, Oh okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not good. Not good. And I knew and then
Speaker 2: the thing is like I do, you know, not ideal.
Speaker 3: And I knew it wasn't good, right, I knew it
Speaker 3: was a bad thing to do, but the spider stuff
Speaker 3: was really kind of taking over and I had a
Speaker 3: difficult time fight it. And I don't want to make excuses,
Speaker 3: but you can't really know what that feels like until
Speaker 3: you've actually gone through it.
Speaker 1: That's fair, that's fair. I can empathize, I can, I
Speaker 1: can imagine, but I can never really know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, But I did, you know, because I still
Speaker 3: had a conscience, I did turn myself into the police.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 2: Well they shot me on site.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is kind of an understandable.
Speaker 3: I mean if if picture what I was becoming walking
Speaker 3: into a police station and put yourself in their position,
Speaker 3: I totally get it. I think anyone would would have
Speaker 3: shot me had they had guns. And they really they
Speaker 3: really let me have it. I mean they emptied their
Speaker 3: clips and yeah, yeah, yeah, it was gruesome. But but luckily,
Speaker 3: you know, I appeared in the afterlife, I you know,
Speaker 3: back to my bite yourself corporeal form.
Speaker 2: As a as a human.
Speaker 3: And you know, I think, honestly, I think it should
Speaker 3: be a lesson out there for for everybody, especially kids
Speaker 3: like you know, who think that they want to be
Speaker 3: Spider Man.
Speaker 2: You don't.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the lesson is more sort of be
Speaker 1: careful turning yourself into the police.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, maybe right right, I could have right, maybe
Speaker 2: that was a mistake.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's the takeaway that you know, the
Speaker 1: Spider part possibly had solutions, but you you sort of
Speaker 1: idealistically went to the police hoping for sort of justice.
Speaker 3: I guess I just really felt bad about like eating
Speaker 3: so many people, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, look, it's not the first time that's that's
Speaker 1: come up on this podcast. Many people have died that way,
Speaker 1: and it's it's not it's you know, we're very understanding here,
Speaker 1: we're very well welcoming to two people like yourself, and
Speaker 1: that's so so welcome. And don't don't worry, You're you're
Speaker 1: forgiven and it was kind that you do you and
Speaker 1: just and I just wish i'd gone to the police,
Speaker 1: but happy to have you here. I guess my next
Speaker 1: question would be do you worry about death? Was it
Speaker 1: something you used to worry about pre Spider read out
Speaker 1: to Spider, No, it's.
Speaker 3: Not something I really concerned myself with on a daily basis.
Speaker 3: There're been a handful of times where it creeps in,
Speaker 3: you know, But I don't really, I don't really think
Speaker 3: about it that much. How about you? Do you do
Speaker 3: you think about death?
Speaker 1: Oh? Sure? Yeah? I mean, and now is I think
Speaker 1: about it in as a motivating force for me to
Speaker 1: get on with shit because I'll be dead, say, sort
Speaker 1: of my answer for everything I do as well, I'll
Speaker 1: be dead, saying, so I bet I should do this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: get busy, get busy dying right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you do you think there's enough to life for
Speaker 1: you or everyone? You know? Man?
Speaker 3: This weird thing was like, I don't. I really don't know,
Speaker 3: And I mean I guess, like a true agnostic, I
Speaker 3: don't know, and but I also don't feel like I
Speaker 3: need to know.
Speaker 2: I think it just kind of is what it is.
Speaker 3: If I had to say I believed something, it would
Speaker 3: be that I believe that God, if there is a God,
Speaker 3: that he has a sa to humor, and that if
Speaker 3: he really is all knowing and all powerful and created
Speaker 3: everything and created us.
Speaker 2: I think he created us exactly the way he wanted
Speaker 2: us to be.
Speaker 3: And so I don't think he's got a problem with
Speaker 3: what we're with what we're doing down here. So you know,
Speaker 3: I guess I just kind of trust that if there
Speaker 3: is that entity that I'll be okay.
Speaker 2: And if there isn't, then it's just all darkness and nothing.
Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you there is a heaven and
Speaker 1: you are welcoming it. I tell you for many reasons. One,
Speaker 1: everyone's a big fan of work. Also, it's the best death.
Speaker 1: It's the best death we've ever had. So you are
Speaker 1: really welcome with heaven. Everyone's like it's same, it's same people.
Speaker 1: It's legendarly or death Evan. It's filled with your favorite thing.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing?
Speaker 2: I mean, I love watching movies.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, then you'll you'll fit right in. It's filled
Speaker 1: with movies, screening rooms everywhere, perfect cinemas. As far as
Speaker 1: I can say. Everyone wants to talk about your life,
Speaker 1: but they want to talk about it through films. And
Speaker 1: the first thing that they ask you, Glenn, howardon is
Speaker 1: what's the first film you remember seeing? How it did?
Speaker 3: This might not have been the first thing that I
Speaker 3: ever saw, but it's the first thing I remember seeing, which, really,
Speaker 3: I guess is the question. It was right before the
Speaker 3: return of the Jedi was coming out and I was
Speaker 3: living I was actually living in England at the time.
Speaker 3: Little town, Yeah, a little town called Felix Stowe. I
Speaker 3: don't know if you're familiar with it and have you? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I was living there and I was probably six or
Speaker 3: seven years old, and it was right before Return of
Speaker 3: the Jedi came out.
Speaker 2: So they did a double feature of Star Wars.
Speaker 3: And Empire Strikes Back at a at a local movie theater.
Speaker 3: And so it feels like the first thing I ever
Speaker 3: saw was back to back Star Wars movies, which feels
Speaker 3: like a big commitment. But you know, when you're six
Speaker 3: years old and you've never seen anything like that, I
Speaker 3: mean I was absolutely riveted.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, do you have do you have siblings? Were?
Speaker 1: Who were you with when you watch this?
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 3: I mean I'm sure, I'm sure or I was. I
Speaker 3: don't remember who I was with. Isn't that sad?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But I do know that I do know that.
Speaker 3: I almost immediately afterwards joined the Star Wars fan club.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you get? What did you get as
Speaker 1: a as a fan?
Speaker 3: I remember I got a patch that you could put
Speaker 3: on your that I could put on my jacket just
Speaker 3: said Star Wars. That's and I'm sure I got other
Speaker 3: stuff too, but that's the only thing I remember getting.
Speaker 1: Did do you remember thinking any part of you, as
Speaker 1: in thinking, oh I want to be in this, I
Speaker 1: want to be part of this, or were you just
Speaker 1: like fucking hell? I think it was the latter. I
Speaker 1: don't think at that point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at that point it was there was nowhere in
Speaker 3: my brain that thought that being an actor was a
Speaker 3: real thing, or that it was even something.
Speaker 2: That I that I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right? What about being scared? What is the film
Speaker 1: that scared you the most? Do you like it? Do
Speaker 1: you like being scared?
Speaker 2: No? I don't. I don't.
Speaker 3: I like scary movies and I like things that are
Speaker 3: very chilling, but I don't like the feeling. I think
Speaker 3: it takes a lot to scare me these days. I
Speaker 3: feel like I've seen it all, but I don't like
Speaker 3: it when something actually effectively troubles me and scares me.
Speaker 3: And I will say that I kind of have two
Speaker 3: things for this. One was The Blair Witch Project, which
Speaker 3: genuinely genuinely disturbed me when I saw it, and then
Speaker 3: a couple of years later, watching The Ring something about
Speaker 3: the idea of harmlessly playing a videotape, getting a phone
Speaker 3: call and knowing that you have seven days before some
Speaker 3: unknown entity is going to kill.
Speaker 2: You really really messed me up, you know.
Speaker 3: And I was like, well into my twenties at that point,
Speaker 3: but it's still just like, it really got to me
Speaker 3: that movie.
Speaker 1: It's a fucking great idea. It's a great idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty great, and it stopped me. I stopped
Speaker 3: watching horror movies for a solid twelve thirteen years after that, Like,
Speaker 3: it messed me up. So it's like I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't want to watch horror movie. I don't want
Speaker 3: to feel that way anymore, So I just stopped.
Speaker 1: Do you remember what was your return about that in
Speaker 1: the horror movie that you watched?
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good question.
Speaker 3: I got you back? I don't remember. I don't remember.
Speaker 3: I don't remember what got me back. I like it
Speaker 3: when horror movies are are fun. When they're genuinely, genuinely
Speaker 3: disturbing and scary, that's tough.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: There's instances where movies have been genuinely scary, but they're
Speaker 3: just such great films that that makes up for it.
Speaker 3: In a way, like, you know, like The Exorcist, which
Speaker 3: I consider to be just a brilliant film outside of
Speaker 3: the fact that it's a horror film.
Speaker 2: It's just I just love it.
Speaker 3: And you know, like Hereditary was just just an incredible,
Speaker 3: incredible film but really really disturbing and scared.
Speaker 2: It's awful.
Speaker 1: What about crying? What's the film that made you cry?
Speaker 1: Do you cry? Are you a crier? I am?
Speaker 3: I'm a total I'm actually a total softy that doesn't
Speaker 3: take that much to make me cry, And yet I
Speaker 3: have a really hard time thinking of movies that made
Speaker 3: me cry the most.
Speaker 2: I do have this very.
Speaker 3: Specific memory, though, of being in I don't know, it
Speaker 3: was like fifth or sixth grade, and it was the
Speaker 3: first time I'd ever been on like a date, and
Speaker 3: it's been by date. I mean, there was a girl
Speaker 3: that I liked, and we went to the movies together,
Speaker 3: and I think we went with another some other friends
Speaker 3: and our parents dropped us off at.
Speaker 2: The movies and we went and saw the movie.
Speaker 1: Please give me what's what's fifth and sixth grade? How
Speaker 1: old are you? And that place? Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have been eleven or twelve?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, all right, yeah, and we went and saw
Speaker 3: the movie Beaches in theaters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I remember.
Speaker 3: This one stands out to me just because like I
Speaker 3: couldn't a movie was so sad and I could not
Speaker 3: stop myself from crying. It was one of those situations
Speaker 3: where I would have normally wanted to stop myself from
Speaker 3: crying because I was with a girl, and I think
Speaker 3: some of my buddies were there, and I was just
Speaker 3: like stop crying, Like I'm just I couldn't stop crying
Speaker 3: because it was just so sad.
Speaker 2: It really got me in that movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's a nightmare. It can't take a
Speaker 1: date to Beaches. That is a film you watch on
Speaker 1: your own in the basement. Yeah, get it all out
Speaker 1: and then you return to the world.
Speaker 3: I know, as I recall, I think she was crying too,
Speaker 3: so I think I sort of made it through that.
Speaker 2: I don't remember what the end result was of that
Speaker 2: happening to me.
Speaker 1: But did you kiss on this date after crying?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I wasn't ready for that yet. I was a late bloomer.
Speaker 3: I wasn't ready for all that stuff yet. It's isn't
Speaker 3: it sad?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 3: That I think so many of us as men, as
Speaker 3: little boys were told not to cry and that it
Speaker 3: was embarrassing to cry. Yeah, I think we got to
Speaker 3: get rid of that shit. I think we got to
Speaker 3: be able to cry. I think we'd men. I think
Speaker 3: we do.
Speaker 1: And I also was like I always think I wonder
Speaker 1: where it came from, because it didn't come from my dad,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think about that. It
Speaker 1: wasn't my dad wasn't telling me don't cry, you big no.
Speaker 1: But it must have been the coach. Well, I definitely
Speaker 1: thought your.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was. I think it was something
Speaker 3: it was more. Yeah, because my dad it was the
Speaker 3: same way.
Speaker 1: He didn't.
Speaker 3: He wasn't telling me not to cry, and nobody in
Speaker 3: my family was. But it was one of those things
Speaker 3: where I think, you cry enough times at school and
Speaker 3: some kid makes fun of you for crying at school,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: I think that's where I got the message.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was from other kids who had gotten the message.
Speaker 3: From their parents that you're not supposed to cry, and
Speaker 3: then they passed it on by you know, making fun
Speaker 3: of you for crying.
Speaker 2: Or I think that's what happened to me.
Speaker 1: Interested Yeah, with your kids, are you like cry cry?
Speaker 2: We certainly don't discourage it.
Speaker 3: I mean they're at an age now where, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't think they're quite at that place where they're
Speaker 3: trying to stop themselves from crying. Maybe my oldest is
Speaker 3: my eleven year old, he's a little more self conscious.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, they're they're pretty good.
Speaker 3: About expressing their feelings, and we definitely try to be
Speaker 3: the kind of parents that allow space for them that
Speaker 3: kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's challenging. It's challenging.
Speaker 1: God, bet tell me this, what is the film that
Speaker 1: you love? Critics don't like it, most people don't like it.
Speaker 1: You love it unconsistently.
Speaker 3: This, you know, I'm sure that there is a better
Speaker 3: answer to this, but it was the only only thing
Speaker 3: I could think of, which is The Exorcist three.
Speaker 1: That's a great answer.
Speaker 2: Do you have you seen that movie?
Speaker 1: Answer? That's the one in the Insane As Island.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it's got George C. Scott and Brad Dorief
Speaker 3: or Brad Dorif. I'm not sure how you pronounce his name,
Speaker 3: but as that recall, yet, it got sort of pretty
Speaker 3: ignored and and I wouldn't say it was like panned
Speaker 3: by critics, but it was just kind of like seeing
Speaker 3: as like it's not as good as the original, right,
Speaker 3: and just kind of brushed off. And I know that
Speaker 3: The Exorcist two was was widely considered to be a
Speaker 3: pretty terrible movie.
Speaker 2: I actually never saw it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but because The Actressist three was actually direct written
Speaker 3: and directed by William Peter Blade, who wrote the original novel,
Speaker 3: and it was it was the true sequel to The Exorcist,
Speaker 3: I was interested in seeing it as a kid, and
Speaker 3: I remember that movie scared shit out of me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's a really I think it's a beautifully shot film,
Speaker 3: and the performances are phenomenal.
Speaker 2: Brad Dorif is like incredible.
Speaker 1: He's amazing. Yeah, he's always good. He's a really good Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've never understood why.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just that movie really stands out to me
Speaker 3: as being one of those movies that I never understood
Speaker 3: why it didn't get more attention. But for the people
Speaker 3: who have seen it, everybody remembers some of the scariest moments.
Speaker 2: From that movie.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you remember some of those moments,
Speaker 3: but there's a moment where.
Speaker 1: Like one of the great jump scars in it, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the best, one of the best if
Speaker 3: not the best I've ever ever ever seen. Do we
Speaker 3: want to give this away or do we want people
Speaker 3: to just watch the movie? But I'll put it this way.
Speaker 3: I'll set it up. There's a scene and it's in
Speaker 3: the middle the night, and it's just a camera is
Speaker 3: not moving, it's just set. We're just looking down a
Speaker 3: hospital hallway and it stays like that for a very
Speaker 3: very long time, and that it just yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: I almost don't want to give it away just because
Speaker 3: you know, for people who haven't seen it, just that
Speaker 3: it's a great movie, and I recommend that people see
Speaker 3: that movie.
Speaker 2: And it does and it totally holds up.
Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent answer. What about a film that you saw
Speaker 1: that you loved, you used to love it, but you've
Speaker 1: watched it recently and you've got I don't know this anymore.
Speaker 3: Well, to be fair, I saw it again recently. I
Speaker 3: saw this movie again recently, but I knew going in.
Speaker 3: I was like, I know this is not going to
Speaker 3: be a good movie. I know it isn't because even
Speaker 3: my memories of it as a kid, I was like,
Speaker 3: even though I'm remembering it fondly and remembering how much
Speaker 3: I loved this movie. I was like, this, I just
Speaker 3: know that this movie is going to be really bad.
Speaker 3: But it was a super Girl Oh yeah, is it? Yeah,
Speaker 3: which I think came out in the early eighties.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I haven't seen it since I was little,
Speaker 1: and I can imagine there's probably some issues.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's real bad on almost every level, but very
Speaker 3: cool that in the most recent movie, The Flash, they
Speaker 3: go into this kind of multiverse type thing where he
Speaker 3: encounters different versions of different superheroes, and they used a
Speaker 3: lot of the superheroes that you've seen throughout the year,
Speaker 3: of the actors that you've seen throughout the years and
Speaker 3: age them down, so you actually see Helen Slater as
Speaker 3: Supergirl in The Flash, which I was like, that's that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Supergirl. It has a special place in my
Speaker 3: heart because it was the very first VHS tape that
Speaker 3: we ever owned as kids. I remember we finally bought
Speaker 3: a VHS when we were living in Korea. We bought
Speaker 3: our first VHS. I was probably seven or eight years old,
Speaker 3: and my dad said, you can pick out one movie
Speaker 3: and you can buy it. And my sister and I
Speaker 3: had both seen Supergirl in theaters, and I guess we
Speaker 3: loved it. Yeah, And we saw that videotape and as
Speaker 3: I recall, it probably wasn't this much, but in my
Speaker 3: it was so expensive.
Speaker 2: It was like sixty bucks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can believe that for.
Speaker 2: A VHS tape in the eighties. It probably wasn't.
Speaker 3: It was probably twenty dollars, but I seem to remember
Speaker 3: it being like sixty dollars, yeah, which is so expensive
Speaker 3: for a VHS tape, especially for that time.
Speaker 2: And yet my dad was nice and he bought it
Speaker 2: for us.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about your childed, why were you
Speaker 1: in so many different countries? May I ask?
Speaker 3: Dad was an Air Force pilot, so we Yeah, we
Speaker 3: moved around quite a bit my kids.
Speaker 1: Yeazy, what is the film that means the most to you?
Speaker 1: Not necessarily the film itself is good, but the experience
Speaker 1: you had around seeing it always makes it special to you.
Speaker 1: Then how it's.
Speaker 3: Well, it's got to be Jackass too, and that's good
Speaker 3: because it was the I don't know why I thought
Speaker 3: this was a good idea. Well, I sort of do,
Speaker 3: but like it was the first. I took my now
Speaker 3: wife to see that movie on our very first date ever.
Speaker 2: She I'd met her at a party that I had
Speaker 2: had at my house.
Speaker 3: Rob and I were living together in Venice, and she
Speaker 3: was at the house and I met her, and I
Speaker 3: could tell she had a really wicked sense of humor,
Speaker 3: and I just thought, like, that's a more fun date
Speaker 3: movie than something romantic.
Speaker 2: I want to go see something and laugh.
Speaker 3: So we went and got sushi and then we went
Speaker 3: to Jackass too, and I remember the amount, the degree
Speaker 3: to which she was laughing. I just remember thinking, this
Speaker 3: girl is awesome that she thinks that funny. Yeah, because
Speaker 3: that movie is it's messed up, all those Jackass movies are.
Speaker 3: And she just thought it was hilarious, and so did I,
Speaker 3: and so it was a real bonding moment for us.
Speaker 3: And I'll just never forget that first date.
Speaker 1: Man, that's really very lovely. Is it's really it's a problem.
Speaker 1: What is the film that you both relate to?
Speaker 3: I can't think of anything in that department, if I'm honest. Now,
Speaker 3: maybe it's because I think I've had I've just been
Speaker 3: such a I felt like as an Air Force brat,
Speaker 3: as a as somebody who moved around so much, have
Speaker 3: a pretty tenuous grasp on who it is that I am.
Speaker 2: Even now to this day interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it just was changing so much as
Speaker 3: I was growing up, as I moved from different culture
Speaker 3: to different culture, that it kind of messed with my identity.
Speaker 2: So I don't really even know who I am now.
Speaker 2: So even if I saw.
Speaker 3: Myself on screen, I don't know that I would recognize it.
Speaker 1: Were you like a chameleon, would you change to whatever
Speaker 1: school you were at, the type of vibe, would you
Speaker 1: just become what you thought was the right thing there?
Speaker 3: I think so, Yeah, I think it was important to
Speaker 3: me to fit in and not be the new kid
Speaker 3: as quickly as possible. But I do think that's also
Speaker 3: where I developed a sense of humor. I think that
Speaker 3: was a way of getting people to like me was
Speaker 3: making them laugh. So I'd say that that making people
Speaker 3: laugh was always a common thread throughout all of that
Speaker 3: and acting, Yeah, and I think and I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: being an actor having to become or a feeling like
Speaker 3: I was feeling the pressure to become something or someone else.
Speaker 3: When you move from South Korea, from an Air Force
Speaker 3: base in South Korea to Montgomery, Alabama, to a regular
Speaker 3: school where not filled with a bunch of other Army
Speaker 3: brats and Air Force brats where everybody had been going
Speaker 3: to school together since they were in preschool and everybody
Speaker 3: already knew each other. It was that was very much
Speaker 3: like major culture shock where I thought, I got I
Speaker 3: gotta figure out what it is that people like in
Speaker 3: this town, yeah, and try to become that.
Speaker 1: What was the longest you were in one place have
Speaker 1: your childhood?
Speaker 3: While my dad was still active military England. We were
Speaker 3: there for about four years in Felix Stone.
Speaker 1: And what was the shortest if you remember.
Speaker 3: We were in Virginia for six months. The sad thing
Speaker 3: is is I remember that was the place that I
Speaker 3: liked the most other than England, England, England and Virginia, England.
Speaker 3: I was that really destroyed me, honestly looking back on
Speaker 3: it now, there's.
Speaker 2: Some there's there's some trauma. There's some real trauma there.
Speaker 3: But we we left when I was I lived there
Speaker 3: from three till I was I don't know, almost about
Speaker 3: to turn eight, I think, And that was like, as
Speaker 3: far as I was concerned, that.
Speaker 2: Was where I wanted to live for the rest of
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 3: And I had such good friends there, and that was
Speaker 3: that was extremely difficult.
Speaker 2: And Virginia I just liked. It was just beautiful. The
Speaker 2: house was beautiful that we lived in, the neighborhood was beautiful.
Speaker 3: I liked the school and everything. It was like six
Speaker 3: months and we were out of there.
Speaker 1: Did it make you when you were making friends and stuff.
Speaker 1: Did you have in your head, this is going to
Speaker 1: be so short, I have to make the most of
Speaker 1: It's like, did it train you I'm going to be leaving.
Speaker 1: Did you act in any way different because you knew
Speaker 1: time was short?
Speaker 2: It took a while, but eventually yeah.
Speaker 3: I think by the time I had moved to Alabama
Speaker 3: when I was ten, but I had sort of, I think,
Speaker 3: to get a little just a little bit like keeping
Speaker 3: people at arm's length a little bit. So it was
Speaker 3: the kind of the opposite of what you were just saying.
Speaker 3: Instead of trying to make friends as quickly as possible,
Speaker 3: there was a little bit of like, I don't want
Speaker 3: to make too close a friends because I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: end up leaving and it's just gonna hurt too much.
Speaker 3: I don't think my guard was up that much when
Speaker 3: I was in Alabama. So I made some very close
Speaker 3: friends and I'm still friends with now. But then when
Speaker 3: I left Alabama, when I was eighteen and moved to Miami.
Speaker 3: That was like, even then, I was still able to
Speaker 3: make a couple some very close friends in Miami. But
Speaker 3: then I moved to New York two years after that,
Speaker 3: and I was done. At that point, I was like,
Speaker 3: I can't, I can't, I can't anymore.
Speaker 2: It's really sad.
Speaker 1: Fascinating. Yeah, yeah, fast saying what is Well, there's no
Speaker 1: segue to this, but here we go. What's the sexiest
Speaker 1: film I've ever seen?
Speaker 3: Yes, sexiest film? I don't know. I guess I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know that I've ever seen a film that
Speaker 3: I considered sexy. I've seen, I know, I've seen actresses
Speaker 3: that I found sexy, But the actual film itself. I
Speaker 3: can't even think of an example of a film that would.
Speaker 2: Make someone feel that way.
Speaker 1: Can you?
Speaker 2: What are some examples of films that you think are sexy?
Speaker 1: I mean I can think of a million.
Speaker 3: Okay, let me see if any of them I've seen
Speaker 3: and agree with you? Yeah, go ahead, Blue, You ever
Speaker 3: seen that? No, I've never even heard of that.
Speaker 1: Okay, what about well, I mean, a basic level, basic
Speaker 1: instinct I believe is designed for you to think it's
Speaker 1: sexy in not sexy.
Speaker 3: You know, definitely see what you mean, definitely would be
Speaker 3: considered a sexy film, not necessarily what I was ever into.
Speaker 3: So I don't think I thought of it like it
Speaker 3: wasn't sexy to me, although I recognize that it is
Speaker 3: a sexy film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Greace too.
Speaker 2: Never saw it.
Speaker 1: God never saw it. Yeah, give me the sexy films,
Speaker 1: I guess. So, yeah, so you've got zero. You've got
Speaker 1: no answer for this.
Speaker 2: I got no answer for this, man. I Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3: I know, it's it's really disappointing, and I really, I
Speaker 3: really am trying to think, but I just can't. I
Speaker 3: just can't come up with anything. I mean, yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know. It's it's weird.
Speaker 1: So there's no there's a sub category that you're traveling.
Speaker 1: Bone is worrying. Why don't a film you found arousing?
Speaker 1: You went, sure you should. It doesn't sound like you've
Speaker 1: ever found a film arousing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3: I guess I'm not. I'm not really seeking arousal in
Speaker 3: my films. Not that not that people who films. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's not.
Speaker 2: That's not something that I'm that I'm looking for.
Speaker 3: It's not something I want as a matter of fact,
Speaker 3: I think you have a little bit of a puritanical upbringing,
Speaker 3: you know, super Christian parents. Maybe maybe I think like
Speaker 3: sex in films makes me more uncomfortable that, you know,
Speaker 3: like I don't. I don't really want to see sex
Speaker 3: in films. Again, it's very I don't have a problem
Speaker 3: with it. I just don't. It's not something I'm seeking
Speaker 3: or find sexy. Most of the time I'm watching a
Speaker 3: film with other people and I'm like.
Speaker 1: This is like, I don't know, it's just not so
Speaker 1: you're saying I'm a disgusting pervert. Okay, I think that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe that is the implication, is that the Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the takeaway.
Speaker 1: What is objectively, objectively the greatest film of all time
Speaker 1: might not be your favorite, but it is the best
Speaker 1: film ever made.
Speaker 3: I could only think of things that are films that
Speaker 3: I consider to be the greatest films of all time.
Speaker 1: Ilo.
Speaker 3: Now I realized that that wasn't really the assignment. The
Speaker 3: assignment was right to come to think of a film
Speaker 3: that I think is objectively So I thought of two,
Speaker 3: and am I allowed to do?
Speaker 2: Am I allowed to bring up two films?
Speaker 1: You can do two and I'll pick one, Okay, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you which one's correct.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: One is one is Fargo, which to me is just
Speaker 3: the perfect movie top to bottom. It's dark, it's dramatic,
Speaker 3: it's tense, it's thrilling, it's super super funny. The dialogue
Speaker 3: is incredible, the plotting is credible, the acting is incredible.
Speaker 3: It's just top to bottom perfect as far as I'm concerned. Fargo,
Speaker 3: and then the other movie, just because it was so
Speaker 3: groundbreaking and so mind blowing to so many people, including.
Speaker 2: Myself, was two thousand and one of Space.
Speaker 3: Honestly, that movie shook me, really really shook me the
Speaker 3: first time I saw it, and then continued to shake
Speaker 3: me as subsequent times. Anytime I ever saw a theater
Speaker 3: that was playing it, I would go see it. Because
Speaker 3: you're seeing it in a theater is just obviously that's
Speaker 3: where you want to see that movie.
Speaker 2: You don't want to see it on a small screen.
Speaker 3: It's just when you talk about, like objectively, the greatest
Speaker 3: movie of all time that's got to be up.
Speaker 1: There, that is that that's the correct time. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love Fargo, but two thousand and one is the answer
Speaker 1: to that question. Correct? Well, okay, okay, all right, what
Speaker 1: is the film that you could or have what's the
Speaker 1: most over and over again.
Speaker 3: This is probably not a movie that I have. I mean,
Speaker 3: I have seen it multiple times. And sometimes I do
Speaker 3: this with movies where if it's a movie that I
Speaker 3: love so much that I like, I almost don't want
Speaker 3: to watch it too many times because I love it
Speaker 3: so much. I want there to be a lot of
Speaker 3: time between the last time I watched it and the
Speaker 3: next time I watch it, so I can be as
Speaker 3: excited as I possibly can be to see it again.
Speaker 3: So in that sense, I think I've held back on
Speaker 3: as many times as I probably would have watched this
Speaker 3: had I not had that my personality.
Speaker 2: But Tombstone a great I just love that movie. I
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 3: It's so it's so fun, it's so fun, and it's
Speaker 3: it's exciting. It just it's got some of the greatest performances.
Speaker 3: It's such an incredible ensemble cast. I'm admittedly drawn to
Speaker 3: sort of little kind of testosterone movies, I have to admit,
Speaker 3: you know, for I think just because I'm a dude.
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe I just I kind of like
Speaker 3: movies where like dudes are dude in it out, you know,
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 2: But I just love Tombstone. Man, I love it. I
Speaker 2: love it. I could watch it. I don't think I'd
Speaker 2: ever get tired of that movie.
Speaker 1: So, you know what is interesting Tombstone. A lot of
Speaker 1: not a lot of people, but more than three have
Speaker 1: answered Tombstone for most watched over and over again, like
Speaker 1: really is it it? Really? Yeah? It really? It stuck
Speaker 1: with people like I love it. It's great that it's
Speaker 1: not a massive film. I mean, it wasn't massive, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, no, I think it was successful,
Speaker 1: but it is. And yet it's come up here three
Speaker 1: or four times.
Speaker 3: Oh, you've got You've got some people on this podcast
Speaker 3: that have very good taste in movies. But you know, interestingly,
Speaker 3: I don't even I'm not even a fan of the
Speaker 3: of Westerns as a genre. I don't know that I
Speaker 3: can even think of another Western that I enjoyed on
Speaker 3: any level. I'm sure there's there must be one, but
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm just I just am not into westerns.
Speaker 3: And yet that movie is one of my favorite all
Speaker 3: time movies.
Speaker 1: Right now. On the other end of the scale, what's
Speaker 1: the worst, what's the worst film you've ever seen?
Speaker 3: Well, the obvious answer would I think for most people
Speaker 3: probably be Tommy Wiseo's The Room. I'm not gonna say that, though,
Speaker 3: because that is one of those movies that hits the
Speaker 3: sweet spot of so bad it's so good. So in
Speaker 3: some ways I actually consider that movie to be really,
Speaker 3: really good because it's super.
Speaker 2: Entertaining, super entertaining. However, there is a filmmaker.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you're familiar with this guy or
Speaker 3: if he's come up in these conversations before, but there's
Speaker 3: a filmmaker named Neil Breen.
Speaker 1: He hasn't come up and I haven't seen his films,
Speaker 1: but I have seen the trailers for his films, and
Speaker 1: I'm aware.
Speaker 2: Of you're aware of his existence.
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll do yourself a favor and see if you
Speaker 3: can get through even forty five.
Speaker 2: Minutes of one of his movies.
Speaker 3: And I recommend starting with his I think what was
Speaker 3: maybe his first movie. It was called Double Down, and
Speaker 3: he's got a few more of the he's made, like
Speaker 3: I Am Here Now and Fateful Findings. Buddy, there is
Speaker 3: no worse full length feature film on the planet than
Speaker 3: everything that Neil Breen has ever made.
Speaker 2: It's extraordinary.
Speaker 3: I mean, it is extraordinary and on some level, I guess,
Speaker 3: kind of fun, but mostly just so fucking boring that
Speaker 3: I challenge anybody that will sit through the entire thing. Now,
Speaker 3: we've watched almost all, if not all, of the three
Speaker 3: movies that I named, with a group of friends of
Speaker 3: mine and I that love to watch terrible movies together
Speaker 3: just because we enjoy that and like making jokes and
Speaker 3: having a laugh. That's where I've seen Neil Breen's movies.
Speaker 3: But yeah, really, really really bad?
Speaker 1: Is he Okay?
Speaker 3: Definitely not because I think he thinks he's making unbelievably
Speaker 3: good movies. He clearly has a savior complex as a
Speaker 3: as a human being. He is always the hero of
Speaker 3: his He acts in his own movies too, He directs them,
Speaker 3: rights them and stars in them, and he is always
Speaker 3: the hero.
Speaker 2: And he does not.
Speaker 1: He just ain't. God bless them. Yeah, well, is queuing comedy?
Speaker 1: You're very funny as much as you want to do drama,
Speaker 1: you're also very funny. What's the film that made you
Speaker 1: laugh the nice.
Speaker 2: There's a there's a few.
Speaker 3: There's a few, for sure, But I really I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: if I had to boil this down to what is
Speaker 3: the movie that made me laugh the hardest ever. Really,
Speaker 3: there's two of them and it's kind of a toss up,
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with Borat. Yes,
Speaker 3: I think I might have broken my theater seat. I
Speaker 3: was laughing so hard, like I was. I was enjoying
Speaker 3: that movie so much that I was I think I
Speaker 3: was bouncing on this seat like a little child with ADHD,
Speaker 3: you know, a hyperactive child. It was so so so
Speaker 3: funny to me. Yeah, it just it absolutely killed me.
Speaker 3: It absolutely killed me.
Speaker 1: And what was your second op? Sit?
Speaker 3: Close second would be the South Park movie for sure,
Speaker 3: fucking love. It's just another movie where where I was
Speaker 3: laughing so hard I was almost falling on the ground
Speaker 3: in the theater.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm amazing musical. Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: fucking banging. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Those guys are amazing. Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 1: Love it now, Ben Hallerton, you have been an absolute delight.
Speaker 1: I'm very grateful for your time and I've really enjoyed this. However,
Speaker 1: when you were researching how can I become Spider Man,
Speaker 1: something you've been thinking about for years, and you figured
Speaker 1: out the radioactive spiders being tested upon in a lab,
Speaker 1: but first you had to work out how to break
Speaker 1: into that lab, and you spent six months googling, working
Speaker 1: out the intricate plans how do you get in this place?
Speaker 1: You found out the only way to really do it
Speaker 1: was to train to become a scientist who worked in
Speaker 1: that lab. So you did years and years researching, and
Speaker 1: you became a scientist, and then you got a job
Speaker 1: at the very lab where the radioactive spiders were living.
Speaker 1: You went in.
Speaker 3: Is this one of those weird afterlife things where you
Speaker 3: actually know because I didn't tell you that part?
Speaker 1: I know? Okay, God, seeing your death flash before your eyes.
Speaker 1: You handled this radio spider and what was sweet about it?
Speaker 1: Didn't want about you, and you kept being fite minutes
Speaker 1: crawling over you and you went to bite me, and
Speaker 1: then you hit it. And that was your mistake because
Speaker 1: you hit the spider and the spider bit you out
Speaker 1: of anger. So when when it bit you, it didn't
Speaker 1: bite you with love. It bit you with rage. So
Speaker 1: first three to four days great fun, sure, climbing walls,
Speaker 1: hanging up stick. Then you realize, oh, I can only
Speaker 1: shit cock webs. You're shitting webs, You're swinging around. But
Speaker 1: first but then because of the rage, these powers get
Speaker 1: stronger and stronger. Suddenly legs shoot out of your rib cage.
Speaker 1: You fucking you've got eight eyes on your back. Your
Speaker 1: wife walks in, you're seeing ten of her. She's like,
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, what's going on here. You're like, it's a
Speaker 1: long story, don't worry about it. And you then you
Speaker 1: go to the neighbors. Neighbors go, ah, thet's start screaming,
Speaker 1: and you go shut up, and you eat them. You
Speaker 1: start eating your neighbors. You eat all your neighbors.
Speaker 3: Do.
Speaker 1: Your wife's like, listen, I can't live in a street
Speaker 1: without any other people in the street. You can't just
Speaker 1: eat them all. And you go, I'm sorry, I don't know.
Speaker 1: This is probably mindful. I don't really know what's happened,
Speaker 1: but I should probably have my off in and she says, well,
Speaker 1: maybe take yourself back to the lab and hand yourself
Speaker 1: into scientists. And you said, no, no, the police are good.
Speaker 1: I should hand myself into the police. And she goes,
Speaker 1: I don't know, okay, and you say bye, I see
Speaker 1: you later. You shoot web to shoot over to the
Speaker 1: police station and you knock on the door with all
Speaker 1: your your legs and the police see you and immediately
Speaker 1: shoot you. Bang, Bill, it's in all your eyes dead,
Speaker 1: you collapse dead. I'm walking past with a coffin. I go, gee,
Speaker 1: well I saw this noise. Guys, who are you shooting now?
Speaker 1: They said, there's a giant spider turned up at the door,
Speaker 1: and it was we were sort of terrified, and actually
Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't have shot as many times as we
Speaker 1: did because we don't know him. And I go, that's
Speaker 1: not a fucking spider. That's angry spider man. I've he's
Speaker 1: been eating all his neighbors. And they go, well, then
Speaker 1: maybe it's good be shot. And well, what happened to you?
Speaker 1: Do you know? Fair justice? Like he should have had
Speaker 1: a trial anyway, right, They say, well, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: He's dead now. I go, well, let's put him in
Speaker 1: the coffin. So much bigger than I thought you'd be
Speaker 1: because of all your spiders stuff. So the police handing
Speaker 1: me fire axes. We're chopping you out, chopping out, chopping out,
Speaker 1: chopping out, chopping out, put bits of you, put all
Speaker 1: of you in this coffin. But there's more of you
Speaker 1: than I was expecting. Yeah, the coffin is absolutely jammed.
Speaker 1: There's only enough room in it for me to slide
Speaker 1: one DVD into the side for you to take across
Speaker 1: to the other side. And on the other side it's
Speaker 1: movie night every night. What film are you taking to
Speaker 1: show people in heaven when it's your movie?
Speaker 3: Now? Well, first of all, I'm absolutely astonished at the
Speaker 3: revelation that the reason it all went bad it was
Speaker 3: because because I forced the spider to bite me out
Speaker 3: of anger.
Speaker 2: That was that was the that was the thing. So
Speaker 2: you man, that sucks, dude.
Speaker 3: So basically, like, if I had just figured out a
Speaker 3: way to cajole it into biting me out of love
Speaker 3: or excitement or anything other than to.
Speaker 1: Trust you, the spider didn't feel safe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's fair, then, I think that's that's that's fair.
Speaker 2: That's fair. It's just it's not great. It's not great.
Speaker 3: But if I had to yeah, if I had to
Speaker 3: take one DVD, maybe The Big Lebowski excellent. I mean,
Speaker 3: I I'm worried that too many people have said that,
Speaker 3: maybe on the show, but.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's taking that.
Speaker 2: No one's taking The Big Lebowski. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's come up, but I don't know if
Speaker 1: anyone took it.
Speaker 2: That's just so fun.
Speaker 3: That's another movie I could just watch over and over again,
Speaker 3: never get sick of it.
Speaker 1: There you go, they're gonna have a lovely time with you. Glenn,
Speaker 1: is there anything you would like to tell people to
Speaker 1: look out for in the coming months that you are
Speaker 1: in or doing or have On the guy.
Speaker 3: We're doing a couple of live Always Sunny podcast shows
Speaker 3: in Philadelphia and New York. By the time this goes out,
Speaker 3: they may have sold out by then, but maybe they haven't.
Speaker 2: And if they haven't, then you should go check it out.
Speaker 3: Go to the Always sunnypod dot com and get your
Speaker 3: live tickets to our live show. They're a lot of fun,
Speaker 3: and then just the podcast. Other than that, you know,
Speaker 3: we're on strike, so we can't we can't do anything.
Speaker 2: Nothing we can do, you know.
Speaker 3: So we just got to talk to each other about
Speaker 3: all the wonderful movies we wish we'd been in and
Speaker 3: hope that one of these days we can be in
Speaker 3: another one.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know when it comes out or anyway,
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen BlackBerry, you should see BlackBerry. I'm
Speaker 1: telling the audience it's oh really really good.
Speaker 3: Of course, that's what I should be promoting more than
Speaker 3: anything is. Yeah, BlackBerry is available on vide on demand
Speaker 3: now you can, you can rent it. I'm very, very
Speaker 3: proud of that movie, So thank you for shouting that out.
Speaker 1: It's really good. You know what else, it does a
Speaker 1: really smart with no spoilers. There's a kind of simple
Speaker 1: thing that it sets up for a complicated business, you know.
Speaker 1: It distills an idea into a very simple thing that
Speaker 1: is really like, it's such good storytelling. It's just such
Speaker 1: good storytelling in the way that that pays off this
Speaker 1: small thing. Brilliant truly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was even in script Forum it was. It
Speaker 3: was absolutely incredible. I feel so I'm so grateful that
Speaker 3: I was able to do that movie.
Speaker 2: And it's such a pleasure talking to you, man. I
Speaker 2: really enjoy your work.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I loved it. Thank you. That's very kind
Speaker 1: of you. Yeah, A big fan of yours.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really it's really cool seeing you in personally,
Speaker 3: talking to the real you. You're such a lovely guy,
Speaker 3: not bristly at all. Shut up, it's lovely to see you.
Speaker 3: I have a lovely death. All right, Good day to you.
Speaker 3: So that was episode two hundred and sixty eight. Head
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Speaker 1: My neighbor Marien loves it. She always cries there and
Speaker 1: she all really appreciate We both really appreciate it. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much to Glenn for doing the show and
Speaker 1: for being so great giving me his time. Thanks to
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Speaker 1: So that as if for now, I hope you are
Speaker 1: all very well. In the meantime, have a lovely week,
Speaker 1: and please now more than ever, be excellent to each other.