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Speaker 2: What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to Inside American Soccer.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Tom Boger, joined by my friend, one

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Speaker 2: of the greatest players in US soccer history, veteran of

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Speaker 2: free World Cups and much much more, tab Ramas. Tab

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Speaker 2: I'm happy about today. I know that you're probably snowed

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Speaker 2: joined by our guy, Brian Dunt. Dunny to a ten

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining No, I appreciate it as always two

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Speaker 3: Welcome Donny and thanks for coming on. You know a

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Speaker 4: You know your your love for the game, but at

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Speaker 3: I think you and Tony are are the best at this.

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Speaker 4: And if people haven't listened to counterattack, definitely do that

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Speaker 4: But I can say this that I knew I liked

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Speaker 3: To me said everything I needed to hear about you.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I appreciate that tab. Yeah, legend. I can tell

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Speaker 2: We think that'll be good for your development. All that.

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Speaker 2: As they're going back and forth with these teams and

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Speaker 2: Like this is my son's dream. This is an opportunity

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Speaker 4: So I think this may be the right time for

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Speaker 2: Next one big one, A big piece of breaking news

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Speaker 2: Villa Reale. Villar Real and Orlando City have agreed to

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Speaker 2: I'm told that this deal is happening now, which I'm

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Speaker 2: Same thing with his intelligence. I think you saw that

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Tom, I've had the opportunity to watch him in

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Speaker 1: So to your point, Tom, the breakout season, his player profile,

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Speaker 2: not like and that led to him being visibly upset

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Speaker 2: and the very very clear sentiment from sergeant of I'm

437
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Speaker 2: not playing for this club again. So that is really

438
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Speaker 2: disappointing to hear. And while there's no new update in

439
00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,400
Speaker 2: terms of terms being agreed between Norwich and Toronto things,

440
00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,439
Speaker 2: I think that people would be a little bit more

441
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Speaker 2: optimistic orridch insists that the eighteen million dollar bid isn't

442
00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,920
Speaker 2: gonna be enough. I think if Toronto upset a little bit,

443
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,280
Speaker 2: it's gonna happen. But Norris also needed to buy some

444
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 2: time to find a replacement. They're linked with some guys,

445
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Speaker 2: so this is something to watch over the next few days.

446
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,359
Speaker 2: But in terms of his future at at Norwich, Norris

447
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,760
Speaker 2: are saying, hey, if he apologizes, he you know, he

448
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 2: could come back in. I don't know if I see

449
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 2: that happening. So right now the relationship is completely completely broken.

450
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Speaker 2: Toronto and Norris continue to negotiate. Toronto has not turned

451
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Speaker 2: to other targets for the DP Ninzers. They are locked

452
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Speaker 2: in on Sergeant. Sergeant has made it clear to everybody

453
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Speaker 2: he only wants Toronto. He wants to go back for

454
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Speaker 2: his family, and I think logic should win out and

455
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 2: will went out, but TBD over the next however long

456
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Speaker 2: because the UMOST transfer window does not close when the

457
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 2: European windows does, so there is time for this to happen.

458
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 2: Obviously Toronto wanted to happen as soon as possible, but

459
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Speaker 2: negotiations are ongoing and it looks really strong that Josh

460
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Speaker 2: Sargent will not play for the Nords again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Tom, I know there's a different group of leadership

462
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Speaker 1: at Toronto FC, but obviously the history of Michael Bradley

463
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Speaker 1: and Josie Altador suggests that you could still have a

464
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Speaker 1: fantastic continuation of your career playing for Toronto FC. And

465
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Speaker 1: we all know that they pay extremely well, and so

466
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Speaker 1: for Josh Sargent whatever. And this is this is the

467
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Speaker 1: nuanced conversation I love having with guys like yourself because

468
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Speaker 1: I never think situations like this are black and white.

469
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Speaker 1: I think that I can reference points in my life

470
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Speaker 1: even when I got into really high high optane verbal

471
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Speaker 1: confrontations with Fernando Clavijo when he was my head coach

472
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Speaker 1: and New England Revolution because I wanted to leave and

473
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Speaker 1: he would always say, Dunny, the thing that it is,

474
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Speaker 1: nobody wants you. And then I got down to Ray

475
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 1: Hudson in Miami and he's like, but I need I've

476
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 1: been trying to get chuff for the better part of

477
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Speaker 1: the last year and a half.

478
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Speaker 2: And I was like, ah, screw you, Fernando. You lied

479
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Speaker 2: to me the.

480
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Speaker 1: Whole time, so I can understand it.

481
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

482
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then there's times where I didn't want to

483
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Speaker 1: get traded and I just bought a house and I

484
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Speaker 1: getn't traded from Columbus and I was like in Salt Lake,

485
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Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, what what did I do wrong?

486
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 2: So there's this.

487
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Speaker 1: Weird thing where you know, a coach can come in

488
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Speaker 1: and ice a player out and we're just like, well,

489
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Speaker 1: that's the end of his time. But then there's this

490
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 1: weird feeling where if a player goes in and say, hey,

491
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Speaker 1: I would like to leave, all of a sudden, he's like, well,

492
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Speaker 1: you signed a contract and you got to be loyal

493
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Speaker 1: to the club, and you still got three more years

494
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Speaker 1: and We're not going to let you leave unless we

495
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Speaker 1: get the price point that we want. So it's tactics.

496
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Speaker 1: You know, you don't want to show your cards. You know,

497
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Speaker 1: it's at some point it's a fascinating reference point to

498
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Speaker 1: what's happening in San Diego when you cut all your

499
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Speaker 1: leverage out from underneath you versus the way that Norwich

500
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Speaker 1: City is playing it out. Ali Ahmed coming from Montreal

501
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: is a fantastic start with a couple of goals and

502
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Speaker 1: assists so far. So maybe there's a little good, feel

503
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Speaker 1: good factor, but ultimately, whatever happened behind the scenes, and

504
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Speaker 1: I read your reports and you know, you see the

505
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 1: whispers are around that's happening. As a US men's national

506
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Speaker 1: team fan, we need him clicking. I don't know where

507
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Speaker 1: he falls in line for the structure of you know,

508
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: Haji Wright and we obviously we're just talking about Ricardo

509
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Speaker 1: Peppi and flow Balligan. But Josh Sargent when he's on,

510
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 1: he's a very very good player. And I think all

511
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Speaker 1: of us as US men's national team fans want to

512
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Speaker 1: see that domestic form translate to international success, which we

513
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Speaker 1: have yet to seem consistently.

514
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you're right, And you know, I've had

515
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Speaker 4: the opportunity to coach Josh and and and to me,

516
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 4: you know, coming up over the last you know, let's

517
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Speaker 4: say eight ten years, one of one of the most

518
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Speaker 4: talented nines that came across the national team, if not

519
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Speaker 4: the most talented.

520
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Speaker 3: He really has all the tools.

521
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Speaker 4: I just think at this point, you know, first of all,

522
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Speaker 4: there's no turning back when this all this stuff happens

523
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Speaker 4: at a club, right, So Norwich, I just don't think

524
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Speaker 4: it's it's ever.

525
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Speaker 3: Gonna work now after what's already happened.

526
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Speaker 4: It's unfortunate because regardless, it leaves a mark, right, I mean,

527
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 4: think about what we all think about Esak over the

528
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Speaker 4: summer and how that developed, and how you develop these

529
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Speaker 4: negative feelings. And I know there's two sides of the story,

530
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Speaker 4: but it's you know, it's too bad that his time

531
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Speaker 4: in Norwedge is gonna end the way it's gonna end,

532
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Speaker 4: because he's had some great times there and he has

533
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Speaker 4: been great for that club. Not easy and by the way,

534
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 4: last year was a great year for Josh, great year

535
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 4: for Norwich, and it's too bad that it has to

536
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Speaker 4: end the way it does, and it will definitely leave

537
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Speaker 4: a mark on the rest of Josh's career.

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Speaker 2: A couple more quick ones here, two moves that I

539
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Speaker 2: very very much doubt will happen practice Godjamong. He's been

540
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Speaker 2: linked with some Premier leage clubs. There is definitely interest,

541
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Speaker 2: but Darby County only signed him in the summer. They

542
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Speaker 2: are not looking to sanction a departure. Maybe next summer,

543
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Speaker 2: but even that might be a little bit quick. He's

544
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 2: playing really really well for Darby. Nothing really to read

545
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: into here. Another one is Diego Luna at Real Salt Lake. Celta.

546
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 2: Ego and Espanol are two clubs that have long had

547
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Speaker 2: interest in him. RSL are pretty intent on he's you know,

548
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 2: he's staying here till the summer, and then we expect

549
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 2: and are welcoming transfer offers in the summer at the

550
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: right price to potentially move him on. But right now,

551
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Speaker 2: six months before the World Cup, Diego Luna not likely

552
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 2: to leave before the end of the January Transferando and lastly,

553
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 2: goalkeeper Ethan Horvez so to tell me he's finalizing a

554
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 2: deal to sign with the New York Red Bulls. I

555
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 2: believe he'll be Hitler. Starting goalkeeper Wholl obviously at least

556
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 2: compete for it. They we have John McCarthy and some

557
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: younger players on the books at the club, but even

558
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 2: Horvaz looking to get some playing time to maybe see

559
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 2: if he can play his way back into the team. Dunny,

560
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 2: any one of those three that you feel strongly about.

561
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Speaker 1: Yeah, For first off, I remember in the summer when

562
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Speaker 1: Patrick Ajamont left Charlotte, there was this there was this

563
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Speaker 1: this weird new there's this weird conversation that was happening

564
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: that was going around that was suggesting that he wasn't

565
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: ready for the move, that he from a development standpoint,

566
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Speaker 1: from a game standpoint, that he wasn't ready, and even

567
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: to Klamadi at the time I think was starting over

568
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: him right when that move was starting to happen. So

569
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Speaker 1: this is a great move and to see his opportunity

570
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: and his star continue to shine and how quickly he's

571
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Speaker 1: adapting to that levels great. Obviously close to home being

572
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: in Salt Lake, Diego, Luna and watching him develop in

573
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Speaker 1: real time, I always thought that Spain would be the

574
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Speaker 1: perfect move for him, followed up by maybe Italy, just

575
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Speaker 1: because of his style of play, his player profile, his size,

576
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Speaker 1: you know how dynamic and quick. He can be with

577
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Speaker 1: short bursts. Again, another player when we're talking about influencing

578
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: the US men's national team, I think could have a

579
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: huge role in the roster construction from Mariso Pochettino and

580
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: then Horvath. He's just got to get games and consistency

581
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: in the club that wants to nourish his ability to play,

582
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: because he is he most certainly feels like he's on

583
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: the outside looking in of that goalkeeper group right now.

584
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Tom, I'm sure you want my expert opinion on

585
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 4: Horvath at this point and how.

586
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Speaker 3: He's going to fit into the UH, into the back

587
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 3: of the Yeah, you know, if he stepped out a

588
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 3: little bit sooner on shot. No, I'll just have.

589
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Speaker 4: One quick comment. I'll just mention Azimond because you know,

590
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Speaker 4: I haven't been on this bandwagon. I'm one of the

591
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 4: ones that said, ah, you know, maybe he's just one

592
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 4: dimensional and I watch him play for the national team

593
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 4: and I only see that diagonal run towards the left

594
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 4: side of the box, and that's his only thing. I

595
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 4: have to tell you, this kid's still getting better. I mean,

596
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 4: you talk about late developers and then you talk about

597
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 4: really late developers. I still think he's getting better. I

598
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 4: really see him as a better player every day, and

599
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 4: I'm and I'm happy to see that because, you know,

600
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 4: and even if he were to be you know, we've

601
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 4: seen his last couple of goals where he gets into

602
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 4: the box and he you know, he crashes in which

603
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 4: you know, as a coach, you want to have a

604
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 4: guy like that on the bench at the very least,

605
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 4: by the way, right because end of the game at

606
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 4: the World Cup, you gotta, you know, you gotta, you know,

607
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 4: get some crosses in the box lost, you know, long

608
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 4: throwings into the box. You you want to have that option.

609
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 4: You want to look down the bench and know that

610
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 4: you have someone that's a little bit, you know, a

611
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 4: different tool.

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Speaker 3: In your tool set.

613
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: Right.

614
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 3: So, but I think he's getting better.

615
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: Man.

616
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 4: You you watch him play now, and he's taking people on,

617
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 4: he's getting on the into the box on the right side.

618
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 3: He's taking shot. I just I really like where he is.

619
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Speaker 4: I'm excited about the fact that he he's not who

620
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 4: I thought he was six months ago. And by the way,

621
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 4: six months ago, he was not a bad player. Of course,

622
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 4: he scored like sixty goals for Charlotte so, and not

623
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 4: anyone does that, but but I just think he's still

624
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 4: getting better.

625
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 3: And I really like that.

626
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: Shout out to D three Soccer, you two US national

627
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 2: team knuckleheads, just saying we got we got some players

628
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 2: to come up and break through. But it's time for

629
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 2: a quick break. We'll be right back. We're gonna get

630
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: into some rapid fire questions with Donny around the US

631
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: national team, his analysis, his interest, all that stuff. Please

632
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: rate review. So it's gob inside American Soccer, Tombogger and

633
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: tabroamas wherever you get your podcast, and we'll be rip.

634
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 2: All right, coming back. We got Brian dunsays here. Donny,

635
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: you're very close to the US men's national team for

636
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: a very long time. You broadcast a team on TNT,

637
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: you do shows on Serious Exam, You're always talking about

638
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: the team. You always got your great analysis. So let's

639
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: get into it here. I wanted to start with a

640
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: little bit of a macro one like talking about the

641
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: Rico Pochatino era. How has he changed the culture of

642
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: the team and and what would you kind of grade

643
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: it at this point in terms of its positive or

644
00:28:58,920 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: mid level effect.

645
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say for the players it's a different lens, right,

646
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot was made and somehow

647
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: we all weaponized the word vibes, right, the word culture

648
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: that that became friendship. Yeah, it became it became weaponized.

649
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: And I think the one thing in TAB you you

650
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: know this better than anybody, because you had all of

651
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: these kids coming through the system. You understand their unique

652
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: dynamic of friendship and that competitive atmosphere and how they've

653
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: you know, they've been boots in the grass for a

654
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: long long time, battling shoulder to shoulder with one another

655
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: for reason. Potchettino, listen, I think people forget sometimes the

656
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: the the the level and the character of players that

657
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: he and his coaching staff have been around, you know,

658
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: from Tottenham to PSG to Chelsea and the success that

659
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: they've had. So what I noticed was that, and I

660
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: don't know if this is the right way to describe it,

661
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: but players were on their toes a little bit more

662
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: where you know, there's obviously going to be a comfort

663
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: level with Greg and going through the cycles, similar to

664
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: a comfort level that there was with Bruce Arena in

665
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: the cycles, even for Bob Bradley, for Jurgen obviously, TAB

666
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: with with with your time, even though Jurgen and those

667
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: empty stomach runs were probably the biggest thing that the

668
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 1: players always complained about. But for Marisa Putchettino and his staff,

669
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: there's like this harmonious like feeling around the group and

670
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: then the moment that they start the activation and step

671
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: on the field, all of a sudden, they all walk

672
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: in and if it's not Marisa Pochettino, if it's not Jesus,

673
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: if it's not Mickey, if it's not Tony kie Men.

674
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: As the goalkeeper, he's loud and you can hear him

675
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: barking at his keep. Like there's even when the starting

676
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: eleven goes to the side and you see the guys

677
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: that are gonna be the substitutes, there is a level

678
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: of intensity and I feel like when I'm watching these players,

679
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: they know that they're being watched and that's gonna be

680
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: the way they approach, you know, the training sessions and perform.

681
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: But I also think it's gonna be like an instinctual

682
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: understanding tab And again, you know this better. When you're

683
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: putting together it's never about the best players. It's about

684
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: the best group of players to get you through that tournament.

685
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: And you've got to have a bunch of good guys.

686
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: You've got to have a great leadership group that can

687
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: get maybe some of the knuckleheads of the outliers back

688
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: in line if they need to be. And ultimately, I

689
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: think for Maris and Pochettino, what he's done is open

690
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: a pathway for maybe a different set of players that

691
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't have had the opportunity had he not come in

692
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: with a fresh set of eyes or a collective fresh

693
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 1: set of eyes of what they want to kind of

694
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: more for melt this US men's roster into.

695
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: Donnie I was gonna say before kind of tablays in

696
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: on all of this from I guess, I don't know

697
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: want you to betray confidences, but from your view, who

698
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: are kind of the true leaders or the true leadership

699
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: council on the field for the team rather than coaching staff.

700
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: Who are the guys that are really instilling this into

701
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: the team.

702
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it would. I think it's adjusted. I

703
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: think it's certainly adjusted with what happened at the Gold Cup.

704
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: But I would say for me, Christians always going to

705
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: be a leader. Right. His status is cemented, his legacy

706
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 1: is cemented, and he might not be quote unquote kind

707
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: of the roddy rob verbal guy that we're used to seeing,

708
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: kind of the stoic leadership, but he certainly leads with

709
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: his play. Weston is looked at as a leader because

710
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: it's Weston and he's got this gregarious personality, but when

711
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 1: he turns it on, he's hyper focused. Tyler is for me, Tyler,

712
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: and watching Chris Richards grow, I think we're too. I mean,

713
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: Tyler's Tyler, right, He's always going to be a captain

714
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: mentality because he's, for me, one of the most competitive

715
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: human beings I've seen on the field with kind of

716
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: this really laxed, nonchalant like I don't give a flying

717
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: squirrel who you are. Because I remembered at the All

718
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: Star Game when he was like seventeen against Uve and

719
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: we interviewed him right after and I was like, man,

720
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,479
Speaker 1: how crazy is to play against you Va? And he's like, yeah, man,

721
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: the way I look at it is just another team.

722
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: And I was like, is he like incredibly cocky or

723
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: is he naive? Like it was almost like when Bees

724
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: and Landon started the World Cup, like they didn't know

725
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: any better, so it's just like, yeah, man, let's go

726
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: kick a ball around and have another game, I said,

727
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: Chris witchd Tim Reim is just always going to be

728
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: captain material for me. But I would say without disrespecting it,

729
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: and I think Tim Waya has his own leadership capabilities

730
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: because it's about a level of accountability and performance that

731
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: he tries to set for himself, which I think bleeds

732
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: into the group. So I think that's kind of the

733
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: group in my mind that I look at. That are

734
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: the guys that everyone's going to kind of be paying

735
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: attention to how they're handling their business and how they're

736
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: prepping and what they're consuming, you know, prehab, rehab, postgame,

737
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. I think that's kind of the

738
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: core group that I see.

739
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, you're definitely right on all

740
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 4: those points. And I think if if I only could

741
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 4: add something would be the fact that at the end

742
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 4: of the day, these guys like each other, you know,

743
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 4: and that's that you know, American teams have that. You know, there's,

744
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 4: of course there's a little bit of jealousy and old

745
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 4: teams that you're on, but these guys truly root for

746
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 4: each other. This is something that not every other country has,

747
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 4: and that's something that we always use as ammunition for ourselves.

748
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: Right.

749
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 4: I always looked at American players as two different things

750
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 4: from my experiences of coaching them.

751
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 3: Number one is they will run through the wall for you.

752
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 4: They just need to know what you want from them.

753
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 4: They don't want to go on the field not knowing

754
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 4: what to do. But if you can express to them

755
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 4: what needs to be done, what your job in particular is,

756
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 4: they will do it. They will do it. Any of

757
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 4: those guys will do it. And then number two was

758
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 4: the fact that they like each other and they will

759
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 4: fight for each other.

760
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 3: And you know, I think the.

761
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 4: Issue that we've all had in some sort of way

762
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 4: over the last year and a half is the fact

763
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 4: that we thought that and you mentioned that I think

764
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 4: perfectly when you said, you know, Pushatino has been in

765
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 4: front of, you know, the top guys. Obviously he was

766
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 4: a PSG. I think he had Messi and Bape and

767
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 4: they are at the same time. So it doesn't get

768
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 4: bigger than that ever in the history of soccer. Right,

769
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 4: So he had those guys, so he wasn't gonna be

770
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 4: in awe off whoever we had. Matter of fact, and

771
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 4: now I know that he didn't know most of our

772
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 4: guys because no, because it took him a year to

773
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 4: get to this point where we are now right a

774
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 4: little bit over a year. I think now we're happy

775
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 4: with what we're getting from the team, but this is

776
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 4: really what we expected from day one. For some we've

777
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 4: been saying it for years. This team just doesn't have

778
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 4: that gear, doesn't have that fighting ability that other American

779
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 4: teams had. How can we get that out? And it

780
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,479
Speaker 4: took a year and a half, but we're finally there.

781
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 4: So I think, you know, I'm happy that we're finally there.

782
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 4: But at the same time, I think all of these things,

783
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 4: all of these fights that we've had over the last year,

784
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 4: have been over the fact.

785
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 3: That man, why is this taking so long?

786
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: Right?

787
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,479
Speaker 3: But he's certainly there and we're in a good place

788
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 3: right now.

789
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: Dunny, is there something that the average us N and

790
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: T fan doesn't, you know, really understand about the group

791
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: or the dynamic or what is going on around the team?

792
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: You know, as as you're asking a question, I already

793
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: had something in my mind without knowing where you were

794
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: going to go with this, without looking at the rundown,

795
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: and and I think the one thing, Tap and you

796
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: being of of American and Uruguayan descent and seeing the

797
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: game and so many different versions of countries and players,

798
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: this melting pot that we have, you know, when we

799
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: get to play the game at the highest level. I

800
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: think the one thing that I was constantly trying to

801
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 1: figure out a way and obviously in these short bits

802
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: when you're on television, you know, you only have so

803
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: much time to get into deeper conversations. But I always

804
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: think about Marisa Puchatino, the player, you know, and thinking

805
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: about you know, his pathway as an Argentine defender and

806
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: from Rosadio and into Espanol and heading over you know,

807
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 1: his time at PSG and playing in the World Cup,

808
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: and you know, playing for Loco Bielsa and kind of

809
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: like all of these things, how that shape too he

810
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: is and then and you know, the collective group with

811
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: Mickey de Algostino and Hey Zeus and Tony kime Inez

812
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: and his entire staff. I just always I always wondered,

813
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: in like the transparent moments where you could either be

814
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: a fly on the wall or you could have like

815
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: a really open and honest conversation, how the view was

816
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: after the first couple of camps of how they were

817
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: viewing not only the quality of the player, but the

818
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: mentality of the player, and then kind of the personality

819
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: of the player. And to your point, Tab, after really

820
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: tumultuous twenty twenty five, that was a lot of unnecessary drama.

821
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: It almost became necessary for Mauricio Pochettino and his staff

822
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: to create whatever they've created behind the scenes that even

823
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: you know us as former player and podcasters, broadcasters, former players,

824
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: you know people around that we always kind of like

825
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 1: hear the whispers. But it wasn't until the September, October

826
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: November window where I felt like, to your point, TAB

827
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: finally got a great understanding of this competitive desire and

828
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: it was almost like we I don't say dumbing it down,

829
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: but we peeled back the onions so deep to like

830
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: the core, like, hey, let's let's restart. How what are

831
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: the non negotiables. We'll talk about style and talk about

832
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: tactics and all that stuff, great, but like, what are

833
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: the non negotiables? With the moment that you walked through

834
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: the door, and I felt like that's one of the

835
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: things that God is To the point where everybody was

836
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: really happy with the way that the last three windows

837
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: because outside that first half again South Korea in New

838
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: Jersey when he switched to the back three with Chris Richards,

839
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: and Chris Richards had that ankle knock, and had he

840
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: started maybe you know, the four in the back is

841
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: still you know, the shape of choice. But all of

842
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: like these little dominoes that start to fall, and like

843
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: reintroducing a Christian Roldan who was a great role player

844
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: for the group at the World Cup, and I just

845
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: I just always wish I could have been a part

846
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: of those conversations to truly understand how he got to

847
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: ending out was a successful twenty twenty five. But God,

848
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: that June July window when they're playing Turkey and Switzerland

849
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: and heading into the Gold Cup and you know, obviously

850
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: big names and big players and big personalities, it became

851
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: a really dramatic moment for US Soccer, for the players,

852
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: for the coaching staff. Yeah, it was kind of wild

853
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: to see this year play itself out, because I think

854
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: a lot of us were really concerned last summer that

855
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: we were looking at a repeat of potentially what the

856
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: Copa Meedica was a few years ago down in Atlanta.

857
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 2: That was my worry to on that one. I thought,

858
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 2: that's a really excellent answer and nuance, and like you said,

859
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 2: like a lot of the stuff that even again not

860
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: just saying fans like media, ourselves, the people who can't

861
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 2: be in the locker morton around the locker room, and

862
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: all you can do is kind of judge on on

863
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: field performances and tactical decisions and particular managers. And I've

864
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: spoken to a few coaches about this who kind of

865
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 2: stressed the importance of like, look, I get it, like

866
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 2: I'm going to get criticized for like my subs, but

867
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: it's like, dude, that's like twenty percent of like whether

868
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: I'm successful or not. It's like it's like eighty percent

869
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: of man management and everything that leads up to what

870
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 2: everybody sees on game day, because like, yeah, if I

871
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: take out a right back and put in a wing

872
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: back or something like that, like, yeah, that's important, But

873
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 2: what's most important is all the work that happens within

874
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: the group on the training field and everybody being bought in.

875
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 2: And it's just it's difficult to talk about it because

876
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: it's easier to criticize somebody. Why did you wait till

877
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: the sixty fifth minute for a sub or why did

878
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 2: you put out this formation. And again those things are valid,

879
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: but it's it's harder to be like, yeah, this is

880
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: the work that this is how all of these guys

881
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 2: bought in, or this is the leadership stuff, or these

882
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 2: are the foundational things that are being put in that

883
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 2: you can't really see really really quick.

884
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: Tab Let me ask you this as a player and

885
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: then as a manager, how much is you know, the

886
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: culture of competition, Like again, the ninety minutes is ninety minutes.

887
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: But I always think about, like, how do you create

888
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: a culture of competition with guys that are so hungry,

889
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: that are the outliers that all of a sudden they

890
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: are pushing the elite group in the national team to

891
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: now a level where I think I could name and

892
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: feel comfortable with four or five guys that are like,

893
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: you know, the the top A plus level players in

894
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: this group. And then it gets into you know who

895
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: who the rest of the guys are, And I think,

896
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, in the last four or five months,

897
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: we've got a new crop of guys that are you know,

898
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: like a Tanner Testaman. You know, where where does the

899
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: Sebastian Burholter Li, Like where does the Christian rodn Lie

900
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: how's the Diego Luna versus a Malec Tillman versus a

901
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: Geo Reina versus a West McKenney in those midfield positions.

902
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: I think about the culture of competition might be the

903
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: most important thing that Marisa Pochetino in this group.

904
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 4: Has and that starts in training, right, and that's where

905
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 4: it starts. Think, I think this group, you know, and

906
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 4: for all the good things that you know, Greg Burholter

907
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 4: did with the team and through the World Cup in

908
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two and all of that, I think the

909
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 4: team there was a culture created of going to the

910
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 4: training sessions, to go through exercises, to go through patterns,

911
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 4: to go through pre program plays too, you know, and

912
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 4: it wasn't so much about the playing and about the winning.

913
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 4: And I think, you know, it starts in practice with competition,

914
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 4: just like you said. And the competition is as little

915
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 4: as the one v one going to goal, the three

916
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 4: v two going the goal. The transition games that you

917
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 4: do is how much you win.

918
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: So I'll give you.

919
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 4: An example when I you know, when I was a

920
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 4: Tigris in Monterey, I had the chance to to play

921
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 4: for Victor Bustich, who is a great coach in Mexico,

922
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 4: probably one of the winningest of all time. Tough, tough coach,

923
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 4: like you just don't become friends with him, right, good guy,

924
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 4: good guy by the way, but you know, you know,

925
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 4: he's one of those coaches where you know he's he's

926
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 4: at the top and you're you're just a player. And

927
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 4: he said to me at one point, he goes, hey,

928
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 4: you know, I noticed in your career you never won anything.

929
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 3: I worry about that.

930
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 4: No, just like that, right, And it's difficult think about

931
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 4: it as a player. This is a team game at

932
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 4: the end of the day. It's not like it's not

933
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 4: like you measure yourself by rings, because it's it's difficult.

934
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 3: You have to be you, first of all.

935
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 4: You have to be a great player obviously in order

936
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 4: to be on a great club that wins things, right,

937
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 4: So it's that part is not easy. But having said that,

938
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 4: I put myself in an environment at Tigris where I

939
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 4: made sure that every single practice we had, whether I

940
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 4: played a four four or a five to five or

941
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 4: a soccer, tennis or whatever I did, that I won.

942
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 4: Because then I went to him and I said, you

943
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 4: saw that, right, I won?

944
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 3: And every no, no, no, and I'm not I'm not exacting.

945
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 4: I actually did that, and through the year I didn't

946
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 4: lose like a two v two or three v three

947
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 4: are going to go.

948
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 3: I try to win everything.

949
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 4: And that's part of that was part of him maybe

950
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 4: getting in my head right for me to be at

951
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 4: my best. But all these little things are really important, Donny,

952
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 4: to have the players play at their best. And I

953
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 4: think you know, as you said before, we sort of

954
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 4: don't know how he did it. We don't know they

955
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 4: were when Pussatino and his staff were in a room.

956
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 4: We don't know what they discussed. But the fact is,

957
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 4: you know, even if you're a serge your desk or

958
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 4: Anthony Robinson right now, you're a little you have to

959
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 4: be a little bit worried.

960
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 3: About, Hey, am I playing? Am I going to be

961
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 3: the guy? Or am I not going to be the guy?

962
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 4: I mean, there's no discussion that Anthony Robinson was our

963
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 4: best player for the last five years maybe four and

964
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 4: a half, right, he was our best. He was good

965
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 4: every time he was on the field, and he won

966
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 4: games for us for that position.

967
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 3: But now you can't forget about Max Arsten. The kid

968
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 3: can do the job too. So Anthony Robinson asked to come.

969
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 4: And that's I think the competition that we have in

970
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 4: pretty much every position now, and I think the coaching

971
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 4: staff and in particular Mariso Pocentino has to get credit

972
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 4: for that.

973
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: I agree on that front, and that's a good transition

974
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: to it's difficult to name is stoning eleven And I

975
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: think that this is going to be a fluid process

976
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 2: all the way through the World Cup and in the

977
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: World Cup. But Donny, we do this most weeks or

978
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: every other week sometimes, but I think people are stick

979
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: from here from tab and I about what we think

980
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: are Eleven's are so, Donny, you give us a USMNC stoning and.

981
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: Ido Taba a good friend of he's. I call him

982
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: wreck at Ralph Hans Tony Miola was always saying to me,

983
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: I mean his hands are massive, like you know this,

984
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, he just Donkey Kong's people on the

985
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: top of the head and he gets mad.

986
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

987
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: He'd been talking about three in the back and I

988
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: was always saying in that like, I don't know if

989
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: we got the players. I don't know if we got

990
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: the horses. I don't know if we have the right guys.

991
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: And you know, think about goalkeepers and outside backs, and

992
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: something changed. And I think one of the things that

993
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: changed is we became and someone like yourself who was

994
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: so elite in that that winger type of position, I

995
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: just don't I'm not sure if Marisa Pucatino and his

996
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: staff really view this group of players with out and

997
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: out wingers, and I think there'll be a huge trickle

998
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: down effect in that, and I think a lot of

999
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: that then bleeds into a three in the back system.

1000
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: And the only one I'm not sure about was Tim

1001
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: Reeen because he's tried and trusted and I just think

1002
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: he's been such a fantastic servant for the US men's

1003
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: national team. But I imagine the size of our back

1004
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: line and our goalkeeper, and when I think about Matt

1005
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: Freeze and goal and I think about Miles Robinson, and

1006
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: I think about Chris Richards, and I think about Mark

1007
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: McKenzie being the smallest of the group now with Alex

1008
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: Freeman on one side, and thinking about Anthony Robinson opposite.

1009
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, on the margins of set pieces, corners,

1010
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: throw ins, all of that, we got really big, we

1011
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,479
Speaker 1: got really really athletic, all of a sudden, So those

1012
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: were the kind of idea of playing a hybrid of

1013
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: three in the back slash, five in the back Looeballigan,

1014
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: undisputed number nine, Christian Pallistic for me, sits in that

1015
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: pocket ten a little bit more on that left hand side.

1016
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,959
Speaker 1: I think, if as long as Tyler's healthy, you're gonna

1017
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: play Tyler in that sitting pocket. So five, six, seven,

1018
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: eight spots for a couple of more if Geo's healthy. God,

1019
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is about my love affair,

1020
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: my man crush on Geo. I just think that his

1021
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: player profile is so different than the other guys in

1022
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: a moment where you want him to speed it up

1023
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: or you want to to slow it down. You want

1024
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: a guy to get it, get in the rhythm of

1025
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: the game. He's kind of always going to be my

1026
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: outlier in this group. But I'm really intrigued by Tanner

1027
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: Tessman sitting with Tyler. But I think with you got

1028
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: Wes McKinney in the field and the job that he's

1029
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: putting in for Spalletti and for Juve right now, he's

1030
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: going to be my box to box kind of connector

1031
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: between Tyler and Christian, and I still can't figure out

1032
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: the right position for Tim Waya in this conversation, because

1033
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: I know that he's an impact player off the bench

1034
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: that's going to be phenomenal, but I don't know how

1035
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: to get him into the starting eleven if Jedi is

1036
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: on one side and Freeman's opposite. So that's kind of

1037
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: the framework with three in the back that I would

1038
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: go with as of right now, considering there's still some

1039
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: guys like where do you put Luna? Where do you

1040
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: put Aaronson? Where do you put alex In Dejas In

1041
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: this conversation, all of a sudden, we've got a lot

1042
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: of competition for kind of that right of midfield role.

1043
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: Makes it really difficult to pick.

1044
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 2: Out Donny quick fall ve are you psychopath? I've never

1045
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: I've never heard anybody again asked starting eleven, and I

1046
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 2: think you named three center backs, center forward.

1047
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, two outsides, two outsides. So there's my five, there's

1048
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: my six, there's my satellings. There's my eight because I

1049
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: was leaving it open, there's my nine. It's my biggest

1050
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: it's honestly, it's it's who plays next to Christian is

1051
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: my biggest question. Everything else, I feel like I've got

1052
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: the framework yeah, because I went like this, and then

1053
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: I went like this, and then I went this, and

1054
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, over here, so I think it's

1055
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: west seemed like, yeah, it's it's close.

1056
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1057
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 2: Crazy. The tap pics picked up on it. I was

1058
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 2: I was trying to put the pin the string theory

1059
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: on the board of Okay, who goes there and where?

1060
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: That was like, no, I'm right with you, brother, Yeah, no,

1061
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm gonna have date night with solve

1062
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: the Solve the murder with my wife at any moment.

1063
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: That's how my mind works. But again, Kelsey Fuller's in

1064
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: three semesters, you can't expect much from me.

1065
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 2: On On McKenny really quickly, So you like him kind

1066
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: of in the box of box role rather than next

1067
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 2: to politic in the attacking line.

1068
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: I just think he is. I think he is. And

1069
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: how do I say this without like shading anyone else.

1070
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: I think Weston mckenny's mentality is a monster mentality. I

1071
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: think that after what was a surprising move to a

1072
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: lot of us at UVE to then bet in to

1073
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: effectively being threatened with departure each and every offseason to

1074
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: win the trust in the faith of the manager, and

1075
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: managers to almost become undroppable the consistency of his performances.

1076
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 1: And I don't think anybody and I know it's a

1077
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: different time and it's a different era, but for him

1078
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: to have nine Champions League goals and Pavelo Nedved to

1079
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: have eleven Champions League goals and again, different format, different games.

1080
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: To Tony Miola was letting me know that the other day,

1081
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 1: I was just telling him he was old. He also

1082
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: doesn't like the weight of away goals in Champions League format.

1083
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 1: Well whatever, psychopath? Uh, I just I think just Weston

1084
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 1: for me is how do I say this correctly?

1085
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 2: Undroppable?

1086
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: I think he's our most well rounded player.

1087
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 2: And he's really so And that's that's been part of

1088
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: the conversation about him, is that he's very good at

1089
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 2: a lot of things and you're trying to figure out,

1090
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 2: like again, like Pool is sick. You talk about his

1091
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: dribbling technique, it's like that's elite. McKinney's is good, but

1092
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: it's not elite. It's like, well, his engine is really good,

1093
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: but like Tyler Adams is kind of elite his ball

1094
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: winning is It's just like he's so good at so

1095
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 2: many things, which is why we have this pysicial discussion

1096
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 2: all the time. And this week, I don't know, I'm

1097
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 2: sure you saw the Juventus manager came out and goes,

1098
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 2: quote McKenny would would be the perfect center forward. He's

1099
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 2: one of the best in that role because he's always

1100
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 2: where the ball is. He fights for every ball. He's

1101
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 2: good in the air because of his impressive eleap. He

1102
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: attacks the space behind like nobody else. We don't only

1103
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: have Jonathan David, we also have Weston mcginney who does

1104
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 2: a bit of everything. Now was managers saying he might

1105
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 2: get set a.

1106
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: Forward, but I will chop up.

1107
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 4: But I will say this, he is better than everyone

1108
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 4: else at getting into the box from a deep midfield position.

1109
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 4: And so you know, I had a coach a long

1110
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 4: long time ago, Jorgey dallas Andro, who said I was

1111
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 4: talking to him about a certain player and I said, hey,

1112
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 4: you know, I really like him, and he goes, why

1113
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 4: do you like him? And I said, well, because he's

1114
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 4: you know, he's good at this and he's good at that.

1115
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 4: And he said to me, he goes, well, you know

1116
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 4: I don't like him, and I said, well why and

1117
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 4: he goes, well, you know when I watch him play,

1118
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 4: he's he's pretty good at creating in the middle of

1119
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 4: the field. He's pretty good at receiving with his back

1120
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 4: to goal and play, and he's pretty good at getting

1121
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 4: into the box. You know, he's decent in the air.

1122
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 4: You know, he's not bad at tackling and winning balls.

1123
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 3: He said.

1124
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 4: But you know what, every time I watch him and

1125
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 4: in any of those situations, he's only pretty good. I

1126
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 4: want somebody that's great at something, and I have to

1127
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 4: tell you there's no one. There's no one like McKinney

1128
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 4: getting into the box. And if if McKinny becomes that

1129
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 4: third and I think, I think Dunny and I agree

1130
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 4: perfectly on the lineup, except whether that would be Freeman

1131
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 4: on the right side or desk. Who knows, it can

1132
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 4: potentially be Whea two right, depending on what you know,

1133
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 4: how much we're dominating a game, because if Paraguay is

1134
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 4: sitting back in the World Cup, I can see us

1135
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 4: going to like a way I'm using them more like

1136
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 4: a winger, right.

1137
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 3: So that that could happen.

1138
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 4: But I have to tell you, I think, you know,

1139
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 4: having Testament and Adams with McKinney as a little bit

1140
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 4: more advanced knowing that McKinny can get into the six

1141
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 4: yard box of the other team to finish plays. That's

1142
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 4: huge because with Christian coming into receive and having now

1143
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 4: balligan and having McKenny coming from behind, I think that's

1144
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,479
Speaker 4: dangerous and he does that better than anyone else.

1145
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was good to bring up that

1146
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 2: is what he's a lead at. But as we've kind

1147
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 2: of said on the show plenty of times talking for

1148
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,959
Speaker 2: tab Of like that skill is best suited for being

1149
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 2: a central Joe trio rather than a double pivot. So

1150
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 2: it is interesting, But I don't know, it's more and

1151
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 2: more clear every week that this is a guy that

1152
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 2: you got, you're gonna find a way to get on

1153
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: the field, and no matter where you put him. You

1154
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 2: can put him at left wing back and I think

1155
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 2: he'd be successful because that's Wes McKinney. But we got

1156
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: one more break. We'll be right back. We got a

1157
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 2: couple a couple of trips down memory lane with Dunny here,

1158
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: So please rate mview and subscribed inside American Sock.

1159
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 1: Wh'll be right back.

1160
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. Let's go back inside the locker

1161
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 2: room and we're gonna give tab a little bit of

1162
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 2: a break here and he gets to just have the

1163
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 2: fun of listening and reacting. So Dunny one of the

1164
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: best storytellers I know. And you know, normally I would

1165
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 2: be careful to not overbuild you up, but I think

1166
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 2: across the course to show people. I hope everybody listening

1167
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 2: knows you. But but whoever didn't, I think that they

1168
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 2: got the message pretty quickly. So let's go back into

1169
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 2: that two thousand Olympic team that you played on that

1170
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: was so very good.

1171
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think one of my favorite stories was Clive

1172
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: Charles would always take us to England and we'd head

1173
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: over there and play against Sunderland or Darby County or

1174
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: Liverpool and one of these days was Manchester United. It

1175
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: was when John Thorington was at Manchester United and he

1176
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: was a part of our Olympic team. And back in

1177
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: the day, Danny Higginbotham, Jonathan Greeney, Wes Brown, I think

1178
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: Phil Neville was in that game, Jordi Kroife. I mean

1179
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: they it was kind of a mixture more of the

1180
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: younger side and some of the guys that weren't getting games,

1181
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: and we ended up playing the game, and we end

1182
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: up winning and when we go back to the hotel,

1183
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 1: and it was one of the first trips of Landon

1184
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: being with us, and you know, here's this young, precocious

1185
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: teenager kid who's significantly younger than the rest of us.

1186
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: And we get back, we're all supposed to go back

1187
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: in the hotel, shower, go to lunch, and I remember,

1188
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: like Chad McCarty was my roommate, legend, and he looks

1189
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: out the window and Chad has this like giggle and

1190
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: he just goes, what and again, we just got done

1191
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: playing Man United, And he looks out the window. He's like, dude,

1192
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: you got to come look at this. And there's landing

1193
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: in the parking lot outside of the hotel and he's

1194
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: just juggling. He's just juggling, and like I think Chad

1195
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: was like geek or something like that, and like, unbeknownst

1196
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 1: to us, we were talking. You know, here's the greatest

1197
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 1: player of our generation who's coming through and at the time,

1198
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: like you know, he was impacts up coming off the bench,

1199
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: a kid. You know, him and Bees were involved in

1200
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: the build up to the Olympics, and just like I

1201
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: always I always giggled. I just always laughed at that

1202
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: moment where it was like, here's these you know, these

1203
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: two older guys getting ready for the Olympics were probably

1204
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: like twenty one twenty two at the time. Land is

1205
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: like sixteen seventeen and he's just out in the parking lot,

1206
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, juggling by himself after playing Manchester United instead

1207
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: of getting ready and going to lunch. So that was, yeah,

1208
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: that was always my my national team. But I mean

1209
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: tab you know, Clive Charles and Peter Meller and all

1210
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 1: of those guys. My son is named after after Clive.

1211
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: That'll put mica Clive.

1212
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 2: You know.

1213
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 1: It was such a such an unbelievable human being, such

1214
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 1: a legend, you know, from his time and being involved

1215
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: with the build up to the ninety eight World Cup

1216
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: under Samson. Uh. And can I say the disaster that

1217
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: was the build up or no, that's not that's not

1218
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: the right word. Uh. The story time that was created

1219
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: because of the build up heading into the ninety eight

1220
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: World Cup and the subsequent performance would led to even

1221
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 1: more story times. Yeah, having having Clive around, having Thomas

1222
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: Rong and smoking his unfiltered reds on the sideline with

1223
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: the spit stuck to his lips, and you know, Steve

1224
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: switching up formations. It was you know, I was always

1225
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: really really lucky. I think my favorite though with the

1226
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: national team was at the Limit or sorry, it was

1227
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 1: in Orlando. Tony Meal was behind me. Sampson was the coach.

1228
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: Tony rolls a ball out to me. I hit a

1229
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: big switch to Frankie. Frankie's chugging up the sideline, and

1230
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: all of a sudden I hit him like with a

1231
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: line in the back because he never looked and he

1232
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: just thought the ball was gonna be played. But he

1233
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: was so fast he gets the front. I nail Frankie

1234
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: in the back, and Steve goes, mister Haydock, you must

1235
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: turn your body face the ball, and Frankie goes, yeah, whatever, bro,

1236
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: next one, and Steve just goes, uh, Frankie, all right, no,

1237
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: take a seat. So frank goes over. Frankie's like, yeah, whatever, bro,

1238
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: And he goes over, and Frankie goes and he sits

1239
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: and like at the at the ESPN whatever fields that

1240
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: we're on, yeah, there's these like giant grates in behind,

1241
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: like in between the fields. And Frankie goes over, sits down,

1242
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: takes a piss into the grate and like at that time,

1243
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: Samson turns he goes, mister, adok, what are we doing.

1244
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: We are professionals, we must not do this. And Frank

1245
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't know, Bro, I just had to

1246
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: take a leak, bro, not a big meal. That was

1247
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: like I just remember looking back at Tony and I

1248
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: just pulled my bib over my face because I was

1249
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: trying not to laugh hard, and Tony just goes, what

1250
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: just happened? And I mean, you know, Meatball, it was.

1251
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: It was brilliant. So yeah, that was one of my

1252
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: favorite like national team moments.

1253
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 4: But these are you know, these are all the great

1254
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 4: scenes behind the scenes that people don't know about that,

1255
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 4: you know, regardless of the club you're at or the

1256
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 4: money anybody makes or anything else. These are all the

1257
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 4: stories that anyone ever remembers, right, the funny things that happened.

1258
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 3: I think you know and I know you.

1259
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 4: You know you you've played with these two guys that

1260
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 4: I'm going to ask you about because I think most

1261
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 4: fans don't know much about them, but I wish they

1262
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 4: knew how great these two guys were. And one is

1263
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 4: John O'Brien and the other one and the other one

1264
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 4: is my favorite, I think American player of all time,

1265
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 4: and that would be Clint Mathis.

1266
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 3: So can you can you just give us a little

1267
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 3: bit about what it was like to play with those

1268
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 3: two guys.

1269
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Johnny and I grew up playing against

1270
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: each other in southern California, and he was he was

1271
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: either on AGSS with Afshin Goti or he was at

1272
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: cal Flyers at the time. And I remember he was

1273
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: just the best player in southern California by a country mile.

1274
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: And he went over to IAX and I remember when

1275
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: he came back, we caught up and it was just

1276
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: like the little things like what's what's the life like,

1277
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: what's training like? And he was, you know, one of

1278
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: the things I always talked about was the individual training

1279
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: was just like in the racquetball courts and you would

1280
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: just have a ball and you'd just have this repetition

1281
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: left right, left right touch, bounced laces outside the right foot,

1282
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: outside left foot, and then he would tell stories about

1283
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: like how you know the og i AX group, I

1284
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: mean the you know this is like ninety three, ninety four,

1285
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: ninety five i AX. So this is like talk about

1286
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: a football and education. He he would he was telling

1287
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: a story about how he was the ball boy and

1288
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: how like the boars and right cards and they would

1289
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: like teach them like speed the game up, slow the

1290
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: game down. We were just having this conversation and the

1291
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: jokes about the owls and the long throws for Deutsche

1292
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: ate it like the towels for nodding forrest game the

1293
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: other day, but like all those little fun stuff. And

1294
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: then finally Johnny became so Dutch that we used to

1295
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: joke that he would get dressed in the dark in

1296
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: his closet because he'd come out and he'd have like

1297
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: bright yellow and bright orange and this look, and he

1298
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: was super Euro like you could you could see his

1299
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: DNA from how tight his pants were in all the

1300
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: fun spots. So, uh yeah, Johnny. My favorite memory is

1301
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: a player of Johnny. We were playing against Liverpool and

1302
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: it was against Danny Murphy, and Paul Ince and Steve

1303
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: McManamon and Friedol were sitting on the sideline and Danny

1304
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: Murphy was just crushing people left and right, and all

1305
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Johnny pops up, no slide tackles Danny

1306
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: Murphy pops up, nutmegs him and then Chip the keeper

1307
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: from like forty yards and we were just like Johnny Oh,

1308
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: Johnny Oh's and the how. So that's what I have a.

1309
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 3: Quick one with John O'Brien.

1310
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 4: So John O'Brien sort of got into the national team

1311
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 4: picture when the year I was retiring, which was right

1312
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 4: around I think it was two thousand, so at the

1313
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 4: time I was, you know, like thirty three years old.

1314
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 4: So we're playing a We're playing a qualifier in New England,

1315
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 4: and I recall this and that There's not much I

1316
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 4: remember at this point because I'm too old to remember,

1317
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 4: but I do remember this. I remember that I got

1318
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 4: a ball in midfield and I went to play a

1319
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 4: through ball and lost it. And John O'Brien says to me,

1320
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 4: what are you doing. You can't lose the ball there,

1321
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 4: And that had never in my career had anyone tell

1322
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 4: me you can't lose the ball.

1323
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 3: Never. I never had a player ever tell me that.

1324
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 3: And he must have been nineteen or twenty at the time.

1325
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: I don't know how old he was, but I was like, man, yeah,

1326
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: we would have been like twenty two.

1327
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 3: I remember thinking, man, I really like this kid.

1328
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: If you ever get John on, you got to ask

1329
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: him about the transfer to Barcelona. You got you got

1330
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: to hear his story because if if things had gone

1331
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: just slightly different, Johnny O'Brien would have gone from Hiex

1332
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: to Barcelona, which would have been incredible and he would

1333
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: have fit right in. I mean, I think he was

1334
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: one of the most elegant players that I've ever played with.

1335
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: And had he not and I think it was right

1336
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: around the Olympics when he played through with a calf issue, Man,

1337
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: what would what could have been and what would have

1338
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: been in terms? And he was always up for the

1339
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: big tournaments. He'd get himself fit enough to get through

1340
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: the big tournaments, but he just couldn't stay healthy after

1341
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, it was like it was like the start

1342
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: of one injury then led into another injury by the

1343
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: time he and it was just this crazy trickle down.

1344
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: It actually reminds me somewhat of what's going on with Geo.

1345
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: And I remember asking Christian when he made the move

1346
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: to AC Milan, you know what was the difference, because

1347
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: physically he was so healthy and he he referenced that

1348
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: he was starting games and playing games. So I'm constantly

1349
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: in my mind using that as the reference point, Like

1350
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: if Geo could find this like a coach and a

1351
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: system where he could start every single game. I wonder

1352
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: if that would deflate the amount of injuries, because you know,

1353
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: the warm ups, the cool downs, you know, jumping into

1354
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: a game at full speed, all of that stuff's a

1355
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: little bit different, but yeah, those are the ones Clint

1356
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: mathis talk about a character. I played against Clint when

1357
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: he and WOLFI were at South Carolina, I believe, and

1358
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: they were out in like it was like a Santa

1359
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: Clara type of tournament in college. And his his his attitude,

1360
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: man like, his his presence was rock star quality. But

1361
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: you knew Clint was on the field, like you knew

1362
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: Clint was on the field. And so then when he

1363
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, when he got he got the draft and

1364
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: went into the national team. He was in that Orlando

1365
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: trip where Harksy and Waldo fell in love with him.

1366
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 1: In the build up to ninety eight, he was I

1367
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: think only like two weeks he was two weeks too

1368
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: old to be I think he was a seventy six,

1369
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: So he's two weeks too old to be with our

1370
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: group with the Olympic team, and talk about such an

1371
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: addition like him and Wolfe and Connor Casey, Benny Olsen

1372
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 1: and Chris Albright and Johnny O and the Pocket p

1373
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: d Vinus, Like we would have been outrageous with Clint.

1374
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, listen, on the field. Off the field, I

1375
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: think people forget like in the days of like ESPN,

1376
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: The Life and MTV cribs, like in the early two thousands,

1377
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:33,919
Speaker 1: Clint was on those, Like Clint Clint was a rock

1378
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 1: star and tab I know you spent you know, plenty

1379
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: of time with him on the field. Off the field,

1380
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: I mean I can remember like one night being out.

1381
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: He's like we're going out. You're in town, We're going

1382
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: out and going out, and it was like we were

1383
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: at like one Oak and it was like like the

1384
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: dude that sang like the rapper that did like jump

1385
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: around from House of Payne was like just the three

1386
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 1: of us and we were like chatting, you know, Clint, Yeah, yeah,

1387
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: just just I mean Clint, Clint knew everybody, like everybody,

1388
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: and then even when we're out here in Salt Lake together.

1389
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: He is the most gracious human being, the most respectful

1390
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: human being. Yes please is no, thank you, yes, ma'am

1391
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: uh no sir. At a time where he was like

1392
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: at the penultimate like financial success of his career. Up

1393
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: in Park City. Every day after training, he'd be like, hey,

1394
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: Trace and I are going to take the boat out.

1395
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: Do you guys want to come? You know, always like

1396
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: I got you, and he was. He was taking care

1397
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: of everybody, like all the guys that didn't have any

1398
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: money buying them lunch, taking care of everybody. He is.

1399
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 1: He is such a gentle soul, but at the same

1400
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: time the most competitive human being I've ever been around

1401
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: in my entire life. Like you go play golf, I'm

1402
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: a lefty. He was a righty. He'd smash one like

1403
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty yards. I'd hit mine and he'd

1404
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: be like, oh, let me, let me have a swing.

1405
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: And then he'd hit go lefty ambidextrious and hit it

1406
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: like two eighty right down the middle, and I'd be

1407
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: you and effort like whether it was like playing like

1408
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: basketball or is kicking field goals or playing cards like

1409
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: he was, he was just like you would never you

1410
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: would never believe it based on his body type because

1411
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: he just he had a different body type than everyone else.

1412
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: He was never gonna be like I remember the joke

1413
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 1: coming in he like we did our body fat testing

1414
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: and the start of preseason, he was like twenty two

1415
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: and we all started like laughing, twenty two percent, and

1416
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: he just laughed and he goes, why.

1417
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 2: Do you think they call it preseason? Like, I don't know,

1418
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:33,919
Speaker 2: this ain't the season, this is preseason.

1419
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play myself back into the fitness And yeah,

1420
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's just he's an incredible soul, incredible person.

1421
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 1: I've got the utmost love for it.

1422
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 4: And I have to, obviously because I was rummaged with

1423
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 4: him for a little while too, so I got to

1424
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,959
Speaker 4: know him really, really, really well. But I also tried

1425
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 4: to keep him a little bit in check right and

1426
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 4: he had he because he is a great person. He

1427
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 4: is very respectful. He always respectful with me. He tried

1428
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 4: to kind of play the game that way. But I

1429
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 4: have to tell you, you know, as for me, he

1430
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 4: is the He had more tools than any American player ever,

1431
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 4: and he was just as great a person off the field.

1432
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,439
Speaker 4: But I have to say, I've never seen someone when

1433
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 4: you talk about tools, someone who was excellent technically, could

1434
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 4: shoot with the right, could shoot with the left, could

1435
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 4: shoot free kicks with the right and the left, which

1436
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 4: really very few or no one can do. He was

1437
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 4: good in the air, he was fast, he could take

1438
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 4: you on one v one.

1439
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 3: He had everything.

1440
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way to your point about either feet.

1441
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,439
Speaker 1: The first goal for me also, like I was lucky

1442
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 1: enough to score back in two thousand and five, the

1443
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 1: very first home goal, and it was Clint and I

1444
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 1: knew that Jason christ was going to make the first

1445
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: run and he was going to be chased. I knew

1446
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 1: that Eddie Pope was going to make the second run.

1447
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: But Clint and I had already talked about that curling

1448
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: ball around and he takes it so quickly that I

1449
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 1: get a jump on. I think it was like Richie

1450
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: Kotchaw was the guy was it was defending against me

1451
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: and Clint actually on purpose. The way he hit it,

1452
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: it almost fainted like it was going to go to

1453
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: Jason and Eddie, and the way he hit it, it

1454
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: bounced and like Joe Cannon couldn't come out. And then

1455
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: I just laid out and I scored a diving header

1456
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: to win the game. But like as much as I

1457
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: was like proud about my header, Clint knew what he

1458
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: was doing. He had already he had already the quality

1459
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 1: of the service, the spin, the curve on the ball,

1460
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: the weight of it. Everything he hit it with the

1461
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 1: inside and so he just knew. And you know, I

1462
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: mean you saw him in training like his ability inside inside, right,

1463
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 1: left foot outstanding. But yeah, he meant to do it

1464
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: on purpose. And I don't ever think he gets enough

1465
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:47,719
Speaker 1: credit for that assist.

1466
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 2: That's a good point.

1467
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 1: Man.

1468
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 2: Listen, Donny, we could sit here and talk with you forever. Again.

1469
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 2: Everybody listen to him on serious XEM. Listen to him

1470
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 2: when he calls USMNT games, and listen to him when

1471
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 2: he calls MLS games. Donny. Before I let you go,

1472
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 2: we'll just do a quick postgame interview here. If Bruce

1473
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 2: Arena was here and was giving giving his assessment of

1474
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 2: how you performed on the podcast today, you know what

1475
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 2: would he say?

1476
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 1: Uh, he would say something like brilliant. Dun Seth just

1477
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 1: told you all he knows about soccer in the first

1478
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: ten seconds of the interview. And Tommy Boga, you're a knucklehead,

1479
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 1: cuts your hair.

1480
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 2: Tab. I love you, Tab, You're all right, Donnie, You're

1481
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 2: the man. Thank you so much for this.

1482
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 1: Love, appreciate you guys, Thank you so much for having.

1483
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 2: Tab thanks as always and everybody, thank you for listening

1484
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,760
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1485
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,880
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