WEBVTT - Selena with Mala Muñoz 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:03.600 On the Beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:07.320 have women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:11.479 and husbands, or do they have individualism the patriarchy zef 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:15.720 in best start changing it with the beck Del Cast. 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:19.360 Welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus, 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:24.319 my name is Caitlin Darante, and today is a much 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:28.160 requested episode that we're excited to bring you. But first, 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:31.240 it is our sacred duty, our soul and duty, our 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:33.720 only duty in this lifetime to tell you what the 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:36.080 podcast is about, which we don't always remember to do. 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:38.599 I thought you were going to say that, like it's 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:42.400 our sacred duty to to sing, since we've been doing 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:45.520 that a week lately, we have been singing quite a bit, 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.879 I feel like, because I mean, if you've clicked on 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.239 the episode, you know, I just it would not be 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:55.360 you know, I can imitate a Disney orchestra, but I 0:00:55.400 --> 0:01:01.040 can't be Selina. So I'm it's best if we know. 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:03.880 Although I have heard I mean when when Selena songs 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:07.760 come up at karaoke, they always are the most spirited 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:12.680 performance as whether they are good or really bad. Um, 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.960 but yes, it's our those our sacred duty to pod 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:23.679 in this life. Yeah when in our podcast, it is 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:29.520 a podcast where we examine movies from an intersectional feminist lens. 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:33.400 That's true, and what we've noticed is that a lot 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:38.280 of movies do a very bad job. Hold on, no, 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:41.800 it's true. Um, And we use the Bechtel tests simply 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:46.120 as a jumping off point to inspire a much larger conversation. 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:49.800 And the Bechtel Test, of course, is a media metric 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:53.080 created by queer cartoonist Alison Becktel, sometimes called the Bechtel 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:57.680 Wallace Test and by our standards because there's some different 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:01.600 renditions of the test, but the one that we use 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:07.720 is two people with names of any marginalized gender speak 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:11.240 to each other about something other than a man for 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.520 at least two lines of dialogue. You think it would happen, 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:18.560 but you think it would happen more than it does. 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.600 But today is I'm really excited. It has been a 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.200 much requested episode that I think we've gotten another spike 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:28.799 in request recently because of the recent TV adaptation which 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:33.000 I also watched, and I'm interested to talk about. UM. 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:36.320 So let's bring our guests into the mix. Yes, let's 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:39.480 do it. She is a writer and the co host 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:47.280 and co producer of the podcast Locator Radio. It's Malomnios. Hello, Hi, welcome, 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.800 thank you, thank you for having me. I'm extremely excited 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:54.280 to talk about this movie, and I mean the Bechdel 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:58.280 test in general, but like even the invitation, I had 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.560 never thought of this before in relation to Selena the movie, 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:03.680 Like it had never occurred to me to apply this 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:06.720 metric to the film. So I've never talked about this 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.320 before in relation to the film. Um, so I'm excited. 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:13.040 I'm excited too. Well, part of it is like when 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:17.320 we cover biopics, which we haven't done a whole ton of, 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:21.120 but we've done some. Sometimes there's kind of like just 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:24.680 a trickier conversation around doing a biopic because it's a 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.680 story about a real life person versus like a completely 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:32.519 fictional character. So like you know, sometimes like the conversations 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:34.720 that we tend to have get a little trickier when 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:39.120 it's a biopic. But you know, Bectal test does apply 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:43.440 to Selena. And yeah, for sure, Yeah, it was interesting. 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.560 I will first, Um, I guess let's talk about what 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.920 our personal histories with this movie. And I guess, well, 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:53.160 let's extend that to Selena in in general. You know, 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:57.360 I identify as Chicana. I'm Mexican American born in ninety 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:03.120 two in l A County and raised by two Mexican Americans. Right. Um, 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:06.360 my father identifies as Chicano, and he's from California. He's 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:09.160 from Bakersfield, and my mom is from l A. Um, 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:11.680 depending how do you count. I'm like third or fourth 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:17.720 generation Mexican American. And so I found Selina by way 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:21.440 of just existing and being raised in that house and 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:26.200 via my kind of like I really connected with her 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:30.680 because she's also like a second third gen Mexican American 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:36.360 raised by Mexican Americans. And she also had a very 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:39.560 public sort of relationship with her learning of the Spanish 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:44.080 language and her music was around. You know. The movie 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:47.640 came out in the nineties. She was murdered in the nineties, 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:50.800 and she was um twenty two, and I grew up 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.680 with her, you know, as a nineties baby. So the 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.320 film is one of those movies that there are periods 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.479 of time where it's just I have memories of the 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:00.679 movie just being on, like on repeat, eat in the house, 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.560 you know, like somebody left the DVD in and then 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:06.920 it just keeps closing. The next time on TV, it's 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:09.479 back on the movie. And then when you're you're walking 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.120 with the kitchen, you stop and you stand because it's playing, 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:16.800 and it's just a cycle. For so, you know, very much, 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:21.440 just in my life and as an adult, getting really 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:24.440 into the sort of fandom of Selena, especially here in 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:28.600 l A who among us has not donned a Selena 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:32.360 costume for Halloween or for a karaoke night, a Selena 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:34.839 Oaky night at east Side Love. You know what, I'm 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:40.920 the bi monthly like anniversaries and celebrations, the countless fan 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:44.679 accounts and Facebook and Instagram and YouTube pages and channels 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.920 about her, the Selena impersonators, the shows, the Coma Left 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.039 Lord festival, you know that anything for Selena's this, that, that, that, that, 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:52.760 all of it. I'm in it. I go to the 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.400 party's the Selena techno Cumbia. I love the drag queens, 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:59.640 have the merch um. It's it's all things all Selena 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:03.120 all the time. Hell yeah, yeah, I love it. And 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:08.760 she has such iconic looks that like, yeah, replicating all 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:12.440 the looks, yeah, all the highwaisted pants, all the crops, 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:15.359 the red lips, the hair, all of it, because she 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:18.760 was dawning looks that were like they're easy for for 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:21.840 like a girl who looks like her or who's somewhere 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.320 in that that range. You know, it's like, we can, 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.200 we can wear these looks and like really rock them, 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:29.279 and they're accessible. She wasn't serving Kylie Jenner, you know, 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:34.080 she was serving Selena keepinning up from Corpus Christie and inaccessible. 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:37.200 And and that's why so many women today continue to 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:40.320 replicate her aesthetic because it's like, oh, yeah, this is ours, 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.600 we can rock this, this is easy. We do this anyways. 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:46.400 We would have done this regardless. You know. A friend 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.960 of the pod, uh, Danny Fernandez has done some incredible 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:57.679 Selena looks over the years. Truly, concur I agree, shout 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:01.040 out Danny, Danny another iconic Kanda. We love it, We 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:07.480 love Jamie. What about you your history and relationship? Um 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.960 I I've known Selena's music since I was really young. 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:15.520 I didn't know uh any like I guess specific details 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:17.880 of her life. I kind of just knew the general 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:22.080 overview of her life. But when I was little. I 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.760 just remember this the other day, By when I was little, 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:28.119 I did uh like ballet Dance to Dreaming of You, 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:31.200 and it was like a herd of little girls in 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:36.880 pink dresses, just like flailing around. And so I remember 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:38.800 learning a little bit about Selena, because that would have 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.280 been maybe like five years after she died. I was 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:45.200 um and and then I didn't learn more about her 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:48.440 life and kind of the fan culture around her life 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:52.960 until kind of a couple of years ago where another 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:57.320 friend of the pod uh Melissa Lozada Oliva, who's an 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:01.480 incredible poet and writes about Selena pretty extensively, And it 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:04.080 was just through interacting with her work and just talking 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:07.240 with her that I learned more about Selena's life. So 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.040 as far as the movie goes, I'd seen it in 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.600 like bits and pieces over the years, but I hadn't 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:15.360 really like sat with it um before a couple of 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.880 weeks ago to get ready for this show what About You, Caitlin. 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:24.360 I admittedly had never seen this movie and only had 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:30.000 a general understanding or general sense of Selena. I knew 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:34.280 her as an icon, and I knew just the tragic 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:38.520 story of her murder, but I I didn't know a 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:41.600 whole lot. And it wasn't until I saw this movie 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:45.000 that I was like, oh my gosh, she was amazing. 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:49.560 And now I I was like, I'm gonna listen to 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:53.640 Selena songs on Spotify and so now I and I 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:56.720 have like Komala Floor stuck in my head right at 0:08:56.720 --> 0:09:01.080 this very moment, like so yeah, I uh in a 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:05.079 in a short time now have become a pretty big fan, 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.800 all thanks to Selena the movie. And I also watched 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:12.240 the series on Netflix to kind of prepare for this 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:15.760 episode and did a bunch of reading and yeah, listen 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:19.520 to a bunch of our music and yeah, so that's uh, 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:22.920 that's kind of where I'm at. Well, I wanted to 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.000 ask you before we kind of just jump into the 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:28.760 meat of the movie. So I found this and Kyl 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.520 found it as well. This amazing interview you did with 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.480 Vice around the time that the series was coming out. 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:38.600 And I mean there were certainly a lot of takes 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:43.760 on the series, um, but you you spoke like really 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:47.680 in depth about where Latin X representation is at in 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.559 Hollywood right now, and so I kind of wanted to 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.680 start before we jump into the hyper details of the movie, 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:57.360 just talking a little bit about that because Selena is such, 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:00.880 you know, such a huge figure. But you know, you're 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:04.280 you're saying that there should be absolutely more figures in 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:07.600 the Latino community represented, So, um, yeah, I just would 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:09.800 like to kind of open that up. Yeah, So I 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:13.200 want to start by saying that I have been talking 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:18.240 about Selena a lot recently online because um of Selena 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.880 the series, right, So it brought up a lot of 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:25.880 conversations a new and what folks in the creative space 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.520 have pointed out and in the fandom have pointed out 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.480 is that there's been a lot of activity around Selena 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.400 in the past few years. The Matt Cosmetics line, the 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:39.000 Ever twenty one line, the series, I feel like more 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:43.160 Selena like impersonators and tribute artists and bands more than ever, 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:47.120 and a lot of activity from the fandom on the internet. 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:50.920 So she has this enduring legacy that has had like 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.280 a spike. And so with the series, there were so 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.640 many things going on with the series, and I have 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:59.360 been putting out like I g t V videos to 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.960 give my actions and my reviews of even the promo material, 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.320 the trailer they put out like in at this point 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:10.000 and then one itself. So I've been like really kind 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:13.880 of just digging in and um, so all that to say, 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:19.839 you know, sometimes when women criticize things and analyze things 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.280 and give opinions on things like TV shows and pop 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:25.600 culture icons. Um, you know, I experienced a lot of 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.960 online I'm a hater. I just am mad that they 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:33.920 didn't cast me as Selena. I'm a relationship with my father, 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:36.920 i am a traitor to the Latin community, and I'm 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.720 tearing us all down. You know, the list goes on 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:44.600 very chill, very chill reactions to having an opinion, very 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:52.040 about a television show about So that being said, I 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:56.240 love Selena, and I recognize that when somebody like Selena 0:11:56.440 --> 0:12:02.640 a huge talent of just boundless, you know, potential cut 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:06.120 way too short. I'm talking about somebody like this, like 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:09.319 she was so amazing and so talented and so gifted, 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:12.959 but also such a professional. She was going places and 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.520 an icon like her, we can expect to see her 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:21.720 everywhere forever. Tattoos, people have Selena rooms in their houses. 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:25.160 I've been to to Selena super Fan like a house 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.439 in Texas. Uh. I went down there with the podcast 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:32.320 to like do a speaking engagement in South Texas, and 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:35.120 the woman who was hosting us, she took us to 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:38.000 her house real quick and she had a Selena room 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:41.040 not in common build with merch you know what I mean, 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:46.240 So not unlike Marilyn Monroe or Elvis Presley, you know, 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:49.840 or Tina Turner, any icon of this status. We're going 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:53.120 to see her on on all kinds of products and 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.680 on TV and in film and commercials forever. It's to 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.560 be expected. There's nothing wrong wrong on some level with it, 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:03.200 and it's almost speaks to how legendary she truly is. 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:06.800 At the same time, at the same time, there are 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:13.240 so like few examples of her level of talent, but 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:17.720 there are more people and more figures who possessed and 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:21.760 possess her level of talent in the Latin X and 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:25.199 the Latin American space, and I would love to learn 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.520 about them as well and see more of those figures 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:33.000 as well, and have that magnitude of you know, social 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.760 awareness and appreciation for their work and talent as well 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:41.280 from Black artists from Latin America, Indigenous artists from Latin America, 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.840 and US Latin X artists from a lot of different 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:49.520 ethnic and cultural backgrounds. And as a Mexican American, I 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:53.679 want to apply like a lens that complicates Mexi centrism 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.600 and that allows us to say, yes, this is great, 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:01.679 also we can we want more, right, you know. So 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:06.120 that's that's kind of where my take on the Selena 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.960 and representation because I don't think that this is necessarily 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:14.800 a celebration of like more representation. M it's kind of 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:19.640 a rehashing of something that we've seen, and it's not 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.240 as though it's undeserved. And of course you'd want to 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:26.240 highlight a figure like Selena in movies and TV and stuff, 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:30.680 but there's just so few stories with Latin X characters 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:35.800 in mainstream American media that we should see stories about 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:40.000 people with more just kind of average lives who didn't 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:44.680 rise to superstardom, because I mean, just so many different 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:48.240 people with so many different experiences deserve to have their 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.120 story told, and you know, we just need to see 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:55.080 a wider scope of Latin X stories in general. Yeah, 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:57.880 I mean, how many different kinds of white families do 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.880 you see on TV? And in movies like a ba 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:06.120 jillion they make them up like there it is, it's 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:09.960 always so yeah, like it it is like just some 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:13.280 bare minimum ship and it's always really frustrating, especially when 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:17.880 it's a cultural figure who's so like who is as 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:21.560 amazing as Selena is. It's like, it's not knocking Selena 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:25.680 to say that there should be more like that's that's 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:30.640 part of what she was fighting for. Yeah. Um, So 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:35.880 it's really interesting to also see how like people shut 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:41.600 down criticism. In my experience talking about Selena recently, the 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:45.600 number of men specifically and including queer men, which I 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:48.400 think is really important to talk about in fandom circles 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:52.560 because we all like love and appreciate a queer fan 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:56.720 base because queer fans have the best taste, and really 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:01.040 it's true, like true europe queer icon, it's because your 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.440 fan base has taste and you're really delivering something of 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:07.160 high quality, and that's what gives an artist staying power 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:12.080 and lasting power. Like in the pop culture space pointbling period, 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.640 if you're a diva, like, you're not a diva unless 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:18.560 you have queer fan base, and that's true. Queens dressing 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:22.240 up as you like you haven't done it right. So 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:26.640 but there is can still be a toxic masculinity among 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:30.720 your men, among gay men in particular, and so you 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.960 know within the Latin X space that queer macheese will 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.720 exist and that queer misogyny exists, and it for me 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:38.680 came out in these ways that a number of queer 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:42.600 men and straight men, Latin X men, Mexican American cheka 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:47.600 woman telling me as a Latino community, we must uplift 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:52.560 like everything Latin or everything Mexican or the or they Netflix, 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:53.960 They're going to think that we don't know how to 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.120 support each other. They're never gonna give us anything ever. Again, 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.160 I'm like, you guys are still fucking dramatic. First of all, 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.920 she has a feature as the fucking series and it's 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:05.040 the number one show on Netflix. Kenna Bitch Rant on 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:10.320 her own Instagram page, Lord under the Bags were all 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:12.880 Latinos to support all of it, and I'm like, look, 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.600 you know how many motherfuckers have a Spanish surname. You 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.679 think I'm a community with everybody with the Spanish last name? 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:24.760 Absolutely not. Also, that's what you're advocating for, is like? 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:29.600 More so like, what's the problem people are addicted to 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:35.880 being mad? Um? Yeah, okay, should we talk about the 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:40.639 movie and recap it? Let's do it? Okay, so um, 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:45.440 obviously this is a biopic about Selena Kentonia, the iconic 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:51.200 Tejano music musician. We open in media rez to get 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:56.480 very film school and everybody. Um was that me again? 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:00.440 Um into the midst of things? Okay, Um, I think 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.080 something I don't know. I don't know Latin. Okay, But 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:06.960 we opened that way on Selena about to play the 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:11.120 huge show that she plays at the Houston Astrodome. Um, 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:15.760 she's at the height of her career. It's February, only 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:19.199 about a month before she would be murdered. So we 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.879 see her playing this show, and then we cut to 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:26.440 her father, Abraham, as a young man and member of 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:30.440 a group called Lost Dinos, who get screwed out of 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.720 doing a gig by a racist club owner who didn't 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:37.600 know that the Dinos were Mexican. So they go and 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:41.440 try to play at a club where the clientele is 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:46.199 mostly Mexican, thinking that they'll fit in, but the crowd 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:50.960 there doesn't like the Dinos, kind of like white barbershop 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:55.720 quartet style of music. So, um, there's a bit of 0:18:56.080 --> 0:19:00.760 backlash there. Then we cut to twenty years later, to 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:08.640 nineteen one now, and Abraham is now Edward Jim's almost Uh, 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:11.040 we need to talk more about him on this show. 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:17.000 Another character actor icon for the ages. The first major 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:20.240 thing I saw him and I think was Battlestar Galactica 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:25.439 and what I grew up watching Stand and Deliver from 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:28.680 substitute teachers. That was my Edward James. Almost like any 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:30.560 time a teacher is sick, there would be like a 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:33.080 twenty two year old substitute that's like, um, here's a 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:38.399 movie about math, like inspired, Yeah, and I loved it. 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:40.600 I was like I could. I could probably recite Stand 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:45.840 and Deliver from memory at Easter LA Community College. And 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:47.439 I don't know if they still do this. They probably 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.240 still do. They offer this summer math program for kids 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:53.800 called the High Miss Galanthan Math Program, and I was, yeah, 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:55.320 it was, it was. I mean, I mean it was. 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:57.919 It's cool. It's a great community resource. I went to 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.720 the Highest Glantha math program every s as a kid. 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.959 I was. It was so like, it's just yes, Edward 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:09.920 and him are everywhere. That's that's so cool. He made 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:13.440 math sexy. I'm not easy to do, not easy to do, 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:17.280 so true icon. I want to say, and and Edward 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:21.679 not Edward, um hemislanta. I want to say he was Bolivian. 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:28.040 Let me check, yes, yeah, Bolivian American educator. Yeah, oh god, 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:30.399 that was like l A l A used to feel 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:33.320 so far away and abstract to me. So I was like, oh, yeah, 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.159 it's like whatever happens in Standing Deliver, that's what l 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:42.320 A is like. It's a bit of a dramatization, but there. Yes, 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:48.520 um okay, so we got we have Edward James almost. 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:52.760 He now has a family including his wife Marcella played 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:57.440 by Constance Marie, a young son, a b and two daughters, 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:02.040 Suzette and of course Selina, who I think is eight 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:04.320 or nine when we first meet her as a child, 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:08.840 and Abraham's discovers that Selena can sing very very well, 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:12.720 so he basically makes his family start like form a 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:16.920 band with a B on bass, Suzette on drums, and 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:21.000 Selena as the singer. And the kids are reluctant at first, 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:24.040 but then they keep with it and they start playing 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:29.240 as Selena I Loostina's at the restaurant that Abraham opens up, 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:34.840 and Selena discovers that she loves performing. Uh. Then Abraham 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:37.199 teaches her to sing in Spanish and they have a 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:42.399 conversation about their identities as Mexican Americans. But then the 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:45.639 family restaurant has to close down after a few months 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:50.720 because of the Reagan era economic recession that was an 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:54.560 iconic I love when there This movie I feel like 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:56.720 does pretty well with the fact that it's like at 0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:59.359 times of period piece. But I love when in a 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:03.720 period piece someone just like drops like a hot vocabulary 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.399 word to remind you what year it is where it 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:08.600 was like they're they're like, why is the why is 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:13.400 the restaurant closing? And someone responds Reaganomics. I was like, right, 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:23.280 it is the eighties, right, Reaganomics. Great line. Yeah, So 0:22:24.000 --> 0:22:28.080 the family has to move to leave their home and 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:31.800 move into an uncle's house, which is when Abraham starts 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:35.879 trying to kind of ramp up their like music careers 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:39.479 and book gigs for Selena I Loostino's and get them 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:41.680 more exposure to see if they might be able to 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:46.360 kind of earn money this way, and Marcella expresses concerns about, 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:51.520 you know, people making only space for men in Tahano music, 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:54.080 which is the type of music that they are now playing, 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:57.359 and she's worried that Selena, because she's a girl, won't 0:22:57.359 --> 0:22:59.640 be able to get very far. But then we cut 0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:05.159 two nine and Selena is now Jennifer Lopez, and the 0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:09.679 band is really good and they are pretty well established 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:15.400 Tejano musicians with a following and people love Selena. Uh. 0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:18.600 Then we get this fun scene where their tour bus, 0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:21.960 Big Bertha, gets stuck and these two guys stopped to 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:24.800 help and it fox their car all up, but they 0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:27.720 don't even care because they love Selena so much and 0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:30.080 they're just like, I'm gonna hang this as a shrine 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:33.760 on the wall of my garage. Iconic love that scene. 0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:40.960 Then Chris Pettrez played by John Cita, gets brought into 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:46.240 the band as a guitarist and Selena thinks he's cute 0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:53.520 because he's cute, that's favorite. John Cita as Chris Press specifically, 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:59.080 is just like like in the film Universe, Jazz Cram 0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:02.879 Dela Crown for me. Yeah, I love him. It's so 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:07.640 and they're like their chemistry is so good, and you're 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:11.200 like it's sometimes I'm like, oh, this this romance is 0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:13.240 taking up too much space in the media, But this 0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:15.960 this one, Caleb and I were both like, no, it's beautiful. 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:18.760 I texted Jamie this morning and I was like, I'm 0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:23.720 obsessed with Chris and Selena, Like their scenes are scenes 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:27.359 that that I rewind and rewatch, like, you know, like, no, 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:30.440 I need to rewatch the scene where she told him 0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:33.440 he's a dumb idiate after he trashes the hotel room. 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:37.760 I must must replay. Yes, it's so like, it's so 0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:41.760 it's I don't know, it should tip over into super melodrama, 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:45.040 but it somehow doesn't. Where John Cita So I love 0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:47.080 when Selena goes up to him and he's like, I'm 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:48.879 no good for you. Like he's just like I'm a 0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:52.320 bad boy. You don't understand, and she's like, shut the 0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:55.560 funk up, like perfect, you're not that tough. I love 0:24:55.600 --> 0:24:59.359 this music you spent You've spent a lot of hours 0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:09.719 rehearsing in practicing music, Like please, I love it. So uh, 0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:12.760 Selena thinks he's cute, and then they flirt a little bit. 0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:17.280 They go out for pizza, they start to like each other, 0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:23.800 and then they kiss on the bus, but more like 0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:29.560 because it's danger and someone I forget which character walks 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:31.919 in on them and it's like, oh my god, I'm 0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:35.960 so sorry, but he I think it's Pete. Yeah, so 0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:39.080 they get caught, but like the real threat is getting 0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:43.680