WEBVTT - Episode 88: Yoda 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:13.680 What is up, everybody, and welcome back to another episode 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:17.320 of Nerdificent Time and one half of your host if 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:21.560 you are sitting across from me as always is Danny Fernandez, 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:23.680 and what is good? I feel like we both have 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:27.800 like really great radio voices right now. When you came in, 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:30.200 you sounded like you were like working at a station. 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:32.960 But do you My favorite thing about she's year round, 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:35.559 but my favorite the thing that reminds me of Christmas 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:39.720 is Delilah. Do you know Delilah? Oh my god, she's 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:44.560 like syndicated. She's syndicated, but it's like Delilah, it's always 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:48.559 like your local, like whatever the Christmas station has turned to. Um, 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:51.720 let me know, y'all if you listen to Delilah. I 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:53.440 definitely did when I was like in Dallas, but I 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.320 know she's syndicated all over and so she'll be like 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:02.520 this one is out to a special someone, Um, Richard 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:05.880 and your loved one is sending in Santa Baby, please 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:08.720 come home for Christmas, you know whatever. And so I 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:11.160 always do the jazz one where he's like, hey, how's 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:15.400 it going, y'all? This is Tony Jones over and T Jazz. 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:19.840 This one goes out to Candice. Uh, you know this 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.920 one comes from Bobby. He says, I know you're working late. Yes, 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.360 come home. There's going to be a play to Rice 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:30.880 for you. Oh my gosh. We should bring in our 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:34.000 guys because he's also in comedy. It is writer comedian 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:38.760 Joseph Scrimshaw. Hey, hey, hello, you also have I was 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:40.360 listening to you talk and I know that you said 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:42.840 you did a storytelling podcast and I'm like that so 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:44.399 makes sense. I mean, you do a bunch of them, 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:47.760 but like your voice is so we have a couple 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:50.360 of those friends. Mark Ellis is another one. Like y'all's 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.680 voices are very much Yeah, he's got a radio voice too. Yeah. 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:55.600 I spent years doing theater and then when I started 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:57.920 doing podcasts and be like, oh I don't have to 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:01.160 yell anymore. My voice is an octave lower than I 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:05.040 thought last. You have the rich undertone. It's like a 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:09.919 smooth cup of coffee with Bailey's in it. Thank you, 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:15.120 Bailey's in me right now. Yeah. Well, we always start 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:19.080 our show with what we're seeking out about. Joseph, what 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.720 are you seeking out about this week? I am geeking 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:23.640 out about Watchman. But if everybody has come in and 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:27.440 said that to you, I mean other thing I'm gonna 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.760 say it. I mean every week, it's just yeah, it 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:32.359 gets better and just sticks in your head. I think 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:34.120 the thing that I love so much is that the 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:37.920 that original comic book also cares about the history of 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:39.840 comic books. So that's what I was waiting to see. 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:43.000 And I love that the Watchman story is using like 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:47.160 the history of media and how like televised visual media 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:50.240 affects people. And yeah, I think that's just like a 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:52.440 brilliant layering into what it is. Were you a big 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:55.040 fan of the comics, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I read them 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:57.079 a lot over different ages, and like the first time 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.240 I read it's like cool, some punching, Yeah, some people 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.240 are angry, and yeah, I did not fully appreciate what 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.160 it was, and so I've read lots of different times 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:07.600 over my life. Yeah. I think what I really like 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:12.320 about this last episode is Damon Lindelof went down even 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:17.960 more than any any anime director ever of the best 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:21.000 fan service I think anybody wants, because I think the 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:25.040 moment that reveal happened, people were like wondering, like we're 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:31.400 gonna see and um, yeah you do. Spoil alert you're 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:35.760 gonna see that thing. Uh, Swan and a fine Watchman 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:40.960 tradition was I know, I know, I love that. Every 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:44.400 actor who's who's done it was like yep, yeah, we're 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:48.120 just gonna do it. Uh. Um yeah, is there anything 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.240 you're geeking out about, Danny? Is there anything like a 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:54.480 favor one of your favorite heroes, one of their like, uh, 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:57.920 their trailer for their movie came out. Yeah, I'm geeking 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:02.920 out about two things. One definitely uh you know Wonder Woman. 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.800 Of course, I'm excited to see what more eighties stuff 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:08.360 they'll play. I kind of want more of that, uh 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:10.840 like really showing the decade, but who knows. I know 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:14.520 that they also have to make it feel relevant. Um, 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:16.880 I think it's more playful. I'm I'm just fascinating to 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:19.440 see what they're gonna do because it's like who is 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:21.800 the big Like you know, they kind of did that 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:23.599 thing last time where they tricked us about who the 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.520 big bad was, so that I mean, I know we 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:32.839 have Cheetah and like, uh yeah, I'm just I'm I'm fascinated. Um. 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.039 Also very excited that I finally got to share my 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:38.560 news today about my HBO Max show, which like if 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:40.800 he has known about for a long time, and like, 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.719 there's so much hard work that happens behind the scenes 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:46.200 that nobody sees just for this moment. So it was 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:49.159 like kind of just waited. It feels like my entire 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:53.960 life to have my show announced. But yeah, so that 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:58.880 that was a really great, cool day. Thank you, thank you. Yeah. 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:00.960 I mean we've talked about I've talked about like my 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:04.200 history with depression and honestly also treatment a kind of 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:07.479 guinea pig myself. Uh, And so I'm really glad that 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:11.400 HBO Max like saw the value in telling this story 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:13.599 about like the humor that can be found and also 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:16.080 just like kind of making fun of the American health 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.320 care system. And you know when people say get help, 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:21.680 you know, ask for help, Like what does that look like? 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:25.520 Because it's not like just one straight trajectory, Okay, everything's 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.400 sunshine and rainbows. I asked for help. It's like a 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:32.680 lot of a lot of dark humor and failure along 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.160 the way. And so yeah, I'm excited to tell that story. 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.680 Thank you every single person that shared that and wrote me. 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:40.120 But today we were talking about something that I've been 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:45.440 seeking about technically extremely a lot into the Internet we're 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:51.559 talking about yoday. And also I'm a slide in baby Yoda. 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.360 As I'm a slide I'm gonna slide them in there. 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:57.479 Still don't know if it's everyone says him? Does John 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:01.640 Favreau refer to him as the child the doctor, the 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:06.880 creepy perhaps cloning doctor. Dr Pershing says him, Okay, wow, 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:09.719 So that's why people have been leading with that instead 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:13.080 of the normal reason that people say him, which is sexism. Yeah, 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:17.719 because the first couple of weeks of the Mandalorian, I 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.200 was like, uh, well, this would be cool if it 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.840 actually turns out to be a girl, like nobody expects it, 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:24.599 and it was like always taking care of this little girl, 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:28.360 daddy daughter, like whatever. So I'm still holding out of it. Yeah, 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.480 it is absolutely possible that the doctor did some bad 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:34.080 readings for the brief time that they had with Yoda. 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:36.440 This is like when I adopted my cat when I 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:38.599 was like seven and they said it was a girl 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:40.080 that we took it to the vet and they were like, no, 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.159 it's a boy. I did the same thing. Really. Yeah. 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.080 The cat came to us on fourth of July and 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.840 we named it like a Liberty bell and then like 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:52.279 the nope, and changed the cat's name to uncle. That's 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:56.720 so funny. Um, So, I guess you know your profile 0:06:56.760 --> 0:07:00.320 pictures you with Yoda. Would you say that? That's like? 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:05.400 What is your connection? Why do have you watched onto Yoda? First? Like, 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.200 I think Yoda just spoke to me as a child 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:10.760 and I had the action figure and I thought about 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:12.760 him a lot, and you know, a lot of the 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:14.800 wisdom certainly came through. But then when I got to 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:16.480 be an adult and tried to reflect, like why did 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:18.400 he grab me when he was when I was a kid. 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:20.680 I think the way he's introduced in Empire strikes back 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:25.240 where he seems weird and kind of grabby and like 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:29.040 he's kind of acting like a child, but he is 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.760 secretly wise. And I think that's the way a lot 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.760 of kids feel like. They feel like they're kind of 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:36.640 acting out, kind of being a weirdo, and people are like, 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:38.640 can can you? Can you shut up and take me 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:41.320 to the real important person, the adult? And then is 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:43.400 a kid you feel like but no, I I'm wise, 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:45.520 I have things to say. And I think that's why, 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:48.720 especially when people are young, they connect with Yoda. He's 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:52.280 a secretly wise, Weirdoh yeah, and kind of like a 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:56.320 prankster to be honest, there's like so much humor filling him. 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:58.680 And I think this is the best time to interject 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.400 because there's a lot of uh, you know, debate because 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:04.880 people get mad that they call the child baby Yoda. 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:09.240 No one cares people and but I but you know, 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:13.680 it's because Yoda's race is never just like you talked 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.840 about like they they left it vague, so there isn't 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:20.920 a name for Yoda's race. Fans came out with tridactyls. 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:25.559 Uh oh, I haven't heard that fan theory. Yeah, because 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.880 they have three toed feet, so they call them tridactyls, 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.520 which I thoroughly reject. Uh, it's gonna be every one 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.280 of them is a Yoda. And it's because and it's 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:38.880 funny because like on the one level, it's just easier 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.520 and simpler, but on the other other level, that's just 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:46.200 like simple almost human linguistics, where if you the kind 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:52.520 of um colloquialism. Yeah, you typically like when people say, uh, 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.840 Q tip, like those are all every Q tip isn't 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.080 a Q tip. A Q tip is a brand, but 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:01.160 because it's the one that's more wide clean X to 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:05.480 clean x to band, you know, like that's just a 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.080 general thing you do. So, of course the one Yoda 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:11.800 that we've seen, the first one, will refer to the 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:15.200 race as Yoda. And I hope that whoever writes the 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:18.800 movie that finally names the race just trolls everyone. It 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:23.000 calls the race Yoda, so that all the baby And 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:26.079 it's because it's so funny, because also it's like, um, 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.640 because it's very it's such an obvious attempt to be pedantic, 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:33.079 because if you're mad at people from for calling baby 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:37.400 Yoda baby Yoda, you're you're purposely ignoring the fact that 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.720 there is not a name for the race like your 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:43.680 new Yeah Frankenstein's Monster. Yeah, pedantic, Like yeah, we could 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:47.400 say baby of the same ambiguous species of Yoda that 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:51.880 takes up a lot of doesn't sound funa, it's just yeah, 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:55.000 but yeah, they they are known as uh from for 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:59.320 some people, I'm not tridactyls. Yeah, I think that's a 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:03.480 pretty deep fan conjecture type thing. Yeah, after Yoda, but 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:10.560 before chronologically we saw Yoda with Yattle. Yes, yeah, who 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:12.920 also used the force as well. Can you talk to 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.440 us about Yattle for people that don't know, Yeah, Yeah. 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:19.720 So in the Phantom Menace, we see the Jedi Council 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.200 and there Yoda is leading it, and then there's just 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:25.560 a random lady Yoda in the background, like really, like 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:29.240 just the puppet was actually designed to possibly be a 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.880 younger Yoda. And they're like, we don't that doesn't work. 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:33.880 But how about a lady Yoda And she has long 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.640 auburn hair. She does not speak in the movie. Uh, 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:41.880 And then in uh the Legends comic books back in 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.880 the day she had some adventures and was fleshed out 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:49.720 in comic books and eventually died. So unattracted it is. Yeah, 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:53.000 the different legs are difficult. In that one, they're like, 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.680 she got two broken legs, like she crossed the I'm 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:00.200 not she looks like I don't know, like Mima, or 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.560 she's like I don't know, about to pass out, like 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:04.880 she's in the middle of telling a story, and then 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:07.360 just like her eyes roll to the back of her head. Yeah, 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.160 this is also a good time, is you you've done 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:13.720 collider and screen junkie stuff, right, And I can tell 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.840 because you talk like a movie nerd, And I say 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.360 I would love because you're not because you say movie. 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:25.760 Then the year which is something I always forget. Phantom 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:30.240 Menace and I was like, yeah, that that's that's that's 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:32.480 how you win. I could never survive on those because 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:37.400 I'm so bad with years, but gosh, yeah, that um 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:41.319 Phantom Menace was I mean, what are your you know, sidebar? 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.840 What is your general idea of the prequels? You know, 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.319 I've gone a long journey with the prequels. Bottom line. 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:50.440 I do think there's some rough writing, some rough dialogue, 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.120 maybe some rough c g I here and there. But 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:55.800 the more time I've spent with them, I have problems 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:59.000 with the execution, but not the movies. Lucas created really 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:01.920 specific theme and ideas, and I think it all ties 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:05.280 together into a really great story and adds a ton 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.959 to the Star Wars mythos. So I'm a big prequel fan. 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.000 At his voice, like and it's even the stuff that 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.439 I like, I'm not sure about that, like Yattle, Like 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:15.480 I was like, why is there a Yeattle? What the 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:17.280 deal with? You? Just so angry about it? And I 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.480 was like, there's a lady Yoda and her names Yattle, 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:24.160 and she's got weird chicken legs, awesome, what's not to enjoy? 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:29.400 I do love the fact that George added another person 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.560 to the Yoda race but still was like, we're not 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:34.320 going to give a name real attention to the Baby 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:35.880 Yoda thing of whether or not we're going to discover 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.880 because Lucas kind of kept wanting to explain things, and 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:42.000 he added Yattle, but he still didn't want to explain 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.440 the race. So it's been one of the really really 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:47.480 hands off things in all of Star Wars. Um. I 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:50.160 just love the wire reminds me of Dragon Ball with 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:53.959 like Goku goten Gohan, Like, I hope they keep doing that. 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:58.800 I hope Baby Yoda is something with Yoda Yattle's saying. 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:02.120 It's like basic on the naming function for both Yoda 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:07.080 and Yattle. It has to be why vowel d vowel 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:11.520 Like yeah, like if it'd be weird to change it 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:13.800 now rule of threes, we have to keep it going. 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:22.360 So maybe, yeah, how I would love Yado Yeddi Yeddi, Yeddi. 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:28.440 Are you Yeddi? Oh um? So getting back to the 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.600 creation of Yoda. So, the puppet version of Yoda from 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:34.640 the O G series was designed by Jim Henson, voiced 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.240 and performed by Frank Oz. The character went c g 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:40.920 I for the two thousands prequel, Oz recounted how director 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:43.439 Ryan Johnson courted his return for The Last Jedi that 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:45.679 said quote, we had lunch and Ryan asked me if 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:47.600 I wanted to be Yoda there, and I said sure. 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:49.480 I thought it was c G I. So I was 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:51.440 shocked when I found out they really wanted to do 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.200 the real Yoda, because that's a huge mass of undertaking. 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:56.640 But that's what they did. It just began with Ryan, 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:58.720 and it made sense. You couldn't have c g I 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.280 Yoda with Mark Luke because Luke wouldn't have a c 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.960 g I Yoda. The only Yoda Luke knew was a 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:09.160 puppet character. That's so sweet. Also, same thing happened with Mandalorian. 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:14.320 I remember, um, I'm forgetting his name, the older general. Yes, 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:16.920 I know where you're going and it's beautiful. Yeah. Do 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.000 you want to tell them the what he said? Yeah? 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:20.320 So he I mean, he said a lot of things 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:22.280 about how beautiful the puppet is. But there's there was 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:25.800 alleged report that they were wondering whether the puppet was 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:27.840 working on set and talking about should they c G I, 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:32.920 and apparently were hurts like your coward? Yeah, yeah, that 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:38.040 was so funny, so great. So this is I don't 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:39.960 know if you know this fact. George Lucas had originally 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:44.120 conceived Yoda's full name as being Mint Yoda. Yeah, okay, um. 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:47.520 And then the makeup artist Stewart Freeborn based Yoda's face 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:49.920 partly on his own that's really cool, and partly on 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:53.120 Albert Einstein's, which is not very I can totally a 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:57.200 thousand percent see then also not very flattering at all. Um. 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:59.760 In The Phantom Menace, he was redesigned to look younger. 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.560 He was computer generated, as we said, for two distant shots, 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:05.320 but he actually remained mostly a puppet. Yeah. So the 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:08.040 Phantom Menace he he was a puppet for many years, 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.040 and then they needed him to be digital for Attack 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.360 the Clones for his big lightsaber fight, and then they 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:15.120 went back and put digital Yoda into Phantom Menace. So 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:16.560 if you buy the Blue Rays, now we're watch him 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:18.920 on Disney. Plus, you're not going to see the the 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.880 puppet from Phantom Menace. He's all all the time, and 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.880 any prequels. Now, that's so interesting. I don't know why, 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.480 I guess to match it, I guess I think so 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:33.720 in that that that puppet was interesting. Okay, um, yeah, 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.080 so this is just finishing up on what frank Oz said. 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.440 He said, people don't realize that A great, a great 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.800 part of the reason why Yoda works is because of Mark. 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.760 It's because if Mark doesn't believe in that character, nobody 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.840 else will. What he does there is extremely important, always 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:48.840 has been. When we got together, it was just like 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.840 old times. He never changed. He is just a wonderful guy. 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:54.000 Very funny too. People forget that when you have c 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:57.120 g I you're looking at a tennis ball. Yeah, I 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.920 mean there's something to having frank Ozz literally being right there, 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.280 like mastering a puppet. Oh yeah, I mean I did. 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.720 There was an old show on Fox called Son of Zorn, 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:10.480 which it was a a live action animated show with 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:15.160 a Heman style character that was animated, and uh, I 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:18.880 did an episode and it was my buddy Dan Lippert, 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:21.960 who's like six something like has to be like, I 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:24.160 don't know his actual hype a six three six four, 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.840 And he was wearing this all silver suit and then 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:31.760 he had like the like a kind of eyeline on 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.440 his head so that people would look up and I 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.200 was like, yeah, this this definitely changes it because like 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:39.720 I'm not looking at him and I'm looking at my 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:44.120 friend in a weird silver suit, So so I can 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:49.240 imagine like it's using like those puppets probably give you 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:53.280 a better performance too, because especially if you've ever done 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:58.480 anything like you know, hyper We'll do had like perception 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.360 check of Perception Studios and now does it on their own, 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.320 where you would do dn D with puppets, and after 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:06.600 a while, it just kind of fades away and it 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:10.080 feels like you're, yeah, you're interacting with a puppet. Yeah, 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:11.760 I mean, I think puppets are so much better than 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:17.440 c J I. But for Empire Strikes Back, I think 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:21.399 there's that such credit to to Mark Hamill, because you know, 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.120 sci fi and fantasy wasn't as big of a deal, 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.800 and it certainly wasn't a big blockbuster movie to be 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:30.240 taken seriously and like Star Wars breaks the mold actually 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.280 having good effects. And then suddenly Mark Hamila has a 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:35.359 chalnge like you're not Harrison and Carry. You're gonna be 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.919 fallen in love and you're gonna be alone with the 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:41.000 puppet for most of the movie, and it's going to 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:43.840 be deep philosophy and it's gonna ride your back? Could 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:46.880 you make everyone take that seriously? I don't think people 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.800 ever give Mark Camila enough for what he did back 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.360 back then. So can you tell us what we know 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:54.800 about Yodo? Like a little bit of his history. I 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:58.000 know that he lives to be nine hundred apparently his 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:02.520 height is blow to be a half feet. That's around 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.040 where they are. But like, I just don't I don't know. 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:15.040 I'm moving on. I guess what do we know of 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:19.840 his lore before he meets uh Luke? Yeah, so it's 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:23.200 a there's a little bits and pieces in modern cannon. 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:25.520 So you know, there's the Legends of Star Wars, which 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.439 there's all these comic books and various books that have 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:31.000 been written in the years before Disney bought it, and 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:32.880 then two thousand and twelve they buy it and say 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:34.960 we're going to ignore that and call it legends. You 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.639 can enjoy it if you want. And then there's modern 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:41.720 Star Wars cannon. So were those written a Star Wars 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:45.320 official Yeah, they were licensed by George Lucas. And then 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:47.800 he sometimes would go like, oh, it's this level canon, 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.280 this level canon. Other times you go like, I don't 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:52.679 care that you said something different than what I'm going 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:54.399 to say in the movie, because the movie comes first, 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:56.240 so we kind of licensed them, but he never took 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.560 them really seriously, you know, And I think when Disney 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:02.040 takes over, they know the kind of nerds that exist now, like, oh, 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.520 everybody's gonna wanting everything to be connected, and if one 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:07.560 thing happens, it's true. So they have been, you know, 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:10.320 they have a story group to keep everything consistent. So 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:13.880 within the modern canon, we know a couple random adventures 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:17.159 Yoda had as he was growing up and being a 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:19.920 Jedi over hundreds of years, but for the most part, 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:21.959 we kind of catch up with him mainly in The 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:26.360 Phantom Menace, and he is leading the Jedi Council. He's 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.880 been leading it for a while, and he's the Yoda. 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:31.440 We know he's wise and kind, but he's also kind 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:34.600 of stuck in his ways in getting a little bit rigid. 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:37.639 And that's a large part of the story of the 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:40.960 prequels and the story of the actual Jedi that they've 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:43.159 been around for so long. Yoda has been leading it 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:46.040 for so long that he's getting kind of stuck in 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:48.639 his ways. In a part of Jedi philosophy is you know, 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:50.880 you're never done learning that you should always be open 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:54.399 to new things. And it's Yoda doesn't handle things as 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:56.080 well as he could, which you know, you go to 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.639 Phantom Menacing where he meets Anakin and he's he's a 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.359 little cold to him. It's like, how do you feel? 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.840 And and Anakin's like cold, sir, He's like fear fearing, 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:06.920 like you know, he goes in on this kid right away, 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:09.760 and you're like, damn Yoda. Uh. And that is part 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.040 of the storytelling that Yoda has is getting a little 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.080 stuck in his ways and a little a little fearful, 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:16.520 a little like overly on guard for anything that might 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:18.840 lead to the dark Side. And is this because it 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:23.840 happens after Count Dooku goes to the dark Side on him. No, 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:26.480 it's actually before Duko has left the Jedi Order because 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:28.800 he has doubts in it. So I think that has 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:33.520 maybe affected Yoda because he's that's his padawan of Doku 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:36.120 as his padawan, and Doku basically said like, I don't 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:38.360 think the Jedi Order is actually working well. You're two 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:41.080 in league with the government and falling what they do 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:43.200 instead of just listening to the will of the force. 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:45.639 Duke has already got some problems, so yeah, they're probably 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:48.679 affected Yoda. But I mean the story that Lucas is 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:53.000 really interested in with the government, the Republic and with 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:57.680 the Jedi Council is that he just doesn't like big organizations. 0:20:57.960 --> 0:20:59.680 And you go back there, like he had to leave 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.160 the Directors Guild because they were fighting with him about 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:04.760 where the director credit goes on Empire strikes back, and 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:07.200 you know, he's an indie filmmaker who kind of made 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:10.200 one of the biggest things ever kind of on his own. 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.439 You know, he got distribution and all that. But so 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:15.040 then he goes back to tell this story and what 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:17.560 do you know, A lot of it's about big organizations 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.080 eventually get all crusty, ridgid and full of themselves and 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:24.960 fall apart. Three adventure movies about that. Do we know 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:28.760 how or when he joined the Jedi We don't know 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:30.959