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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone. Welcome to The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about how contestants on the reality shows

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Speaker 1: Survivor had to poop VR or virtual reality headsets are

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Speaker 1: being given to prisoners, a woman who had astronomical amounts

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Speaker 1: of lead in her body, a woman who was born

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Speaker 1: without the ability to blink, and a woman who is

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Speaker 1: allergic to her husband. All that and more on today's episode.

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Speaker 2: All right, So, Sophia Bullerti, who I guess was on

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Speaker 2: the most recent season of Survivor, which I cannot believe

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Speaker 2: that show is still airing consistently.

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Speaker 1: As you, I wanted to know, like, why does anybody

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Speaker 1: want to do?

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Speaker 2: Yes? I don't know, and it's season like forty nine

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Speaker 2: or something crazy. I don't know why anybody would want to.

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Speaker 2: But I actually wrote an article a couple of years

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Speaker 2: ago about that show Naked and Afraid, which I think

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Speaker 2: is worse because you're completely nude the whole time and

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Speaker 2: they just introduce a whole other set of problems. But whatever, So,

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Speaker 2: like she's on Survivor, she's getting asked by a fan

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Speaker 2: the question I'm sure everybody wants to know, which is

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Speaker 2: how do you go to the bathroom on the show?

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Speaker 2: Because they're supposed to be on a quote unquote like

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Speaker 2: desert island type of situation and have to survive. So

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Speaker 2: she explains there's basically one of two options. The first,

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Speaker 2: which is the easiest, is you can go in the

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Speaker 2: ocean and just poop right there. Or the second is

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Speaker 2: they have something called the coconut grove where the teams

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Speaker 2: will create this designated area called the coconut grove, and

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Speaker 2: you basically dig a hole in the ground, poop and

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Speaker 2: bury your poop. But that comes with concerns of digging

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Speaker 2: up other people's poop. So none of this seems appealing

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Speaker 2: at all exactly.

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, why does anyone want to do that?

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Speaker 1: It reminds me of I wrote an article in the

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Speaker 1: Gross Room about this how people are going to the

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Speaker 1: bathroom in some areas of India and it's the same thing,

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Speaker 1: like on this poop beach, and that's the same exact thing.

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Speaker 1: They're either going on this beach and pooping or they're

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Speaker 1: going in the water and pooping in the water. But

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Speaker 1: at least I guess on this show, the producers are

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Speaker 1: like designating areas where people should do that, because if

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Speaker 1: you just let people go wherever they want it, it's

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Speaker 1: really going to become a problem on areas where you

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Speaker 1: want people to eat their lunch and enjoy the beach,

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Speaker 1: you know. So I just think, like the pooping outside

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Speaker 1: is just like no, I'm good, thanks, And I enjoy

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Speaker 1: doing hikes and outdoor activities and things like that. But

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Speaker 1: but like I don't I don't really even know. I

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Speaker 1: just don't understand the show. I never actually watched it.

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Speaker 1: But do you want I'm assuming you win something.

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Speaker 2: I think you win money at the end, just respect

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Speaker 2: or I think you might win money at the end,

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Speaker 2: but I don't think you get anything at all if

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Speaker 2: you get kicked off before. So like you could basically

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Speaker 2: get to the end, And.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's kind of a challenge for people.

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Speaker 1: I guess that you want to see if you could

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Speaker 1: do that and how you could last and stuff. I

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Speaker 1: just I don't know.

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Speaker 2: And they're out there for like a month, it said

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Speaker 2: it ranges from twenty six to thirty nine days, depending

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Speaker 2: on like what the season is or what format they're

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Speaker 2: doing that season.

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Speaker 1: So no, thank you.

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Speaker 2: This doesn't sound I feel like at all.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the worst part for me would just

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Speaker 1: be which I've heard there. It would be like the

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Speaker 1: like mosquito bites and stuff and just that kind of stuff,

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Speaker 1: the sun sunburn.

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Speaker 2: That's what I wrote about about Naked and Afraid because

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Speaker 2: so most of the time, so they'll bring like a

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Speaker 2: fire start or something like that to make their life easier.

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Speaker 2: But the most common issues they see on that show

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Speaker 2: You just never know what's gonna Yeah, I wouldn't want.

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Speaker 1: To have my vagina like exposed to all that outside

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Speaker 2: No, I think it would be just a terrible.

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Speaker 1: And especially where do they film these things in locations

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Speaker 2: Wondering if I don't really I've never watched I don't

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Speaker 2: I don't know how it works at all. But I

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Speaker 2: wonder if it's the same I would assume it's the

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Speaker 2: same property. They're on every time. So are like they

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Speaker 2: think it's not like they only film it once a year.

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Speaker 2: If they you have going into fifty seasons. The show's

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Speaker 2: been on probably twenty twenty five years, so they're filming

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Speaker 2: at least two seasons a year. It's not like, you know,

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Speaker 2: I just don't understand why.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if we have any survivor that there has

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Speaker 2: Oh, there totally is. So I know one of you

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Speaker 2: guys out there, so you need to let.

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Speaker 1: Us know, all right.

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Speaker 2: California prisons are introducing VR headsets to inmates as quote

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Speaker 2: hope machines that they can provide them with an escape

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Speaker 2: or exposure to real world scenarios to help them re

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Speaker 1: I think this is kind of cool. I mean, like

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Speaker 1: a lot of times you would just we talked about

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Speaker 1: people like people who leave a little girl for dead

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Speaker 1: to get eaten by alligators, that don't deserve to have

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Speaker 1: any in my opinion, like escape. They shouldn't be able

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Speaker 1: a VR headset. But I think for so I think

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Speaker 1: I would be a fan of it. For certain prisoners,

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Speaker 1: I would have to handpick all of them, of course,

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Speaker 1: according to their crimes. But like one of the things

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Speaker 1: was saying that it does these like virtual job interviews,

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Speaker 1: which is really good because if I think it could

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I think when I first started reading the

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Speaker 2: an escape to take what you just said, like a

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Speaker 2: quote unquote vacation at Highland for example, Right, And when

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Speaker 2: I was reading that, I'll probably get shit for this,

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Speaker 2: but like, depending on what the severity of the crime was,

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Speaker 2: I saw it at first. But then once they started

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Speaker 2: And obviously I don't think they're just handing it out

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Speaker 1: Do you think they can make some kind of program

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Speaker 1: for Brian Coburger or something that that simulates like him

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that would be an ethical concern with like

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Speaker 1: Ethics could be bent sometimes you could.

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Speaker 2: in response, like Coburger, like that guy in jail. So whatever.

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Speaker 1: But I but the guy that robbed the gas station

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Speaker 1: totally cool. He could go on his pseudo vacations to Thailand.

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Speaker 2: No whatever. I you know, there's obviously people that just

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Speaker 1: Or form Oh you want to hear something cool? Actually

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Speaker 1: I don't think I told you this. So when we

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Speaker 1: asked him. She was like, why were you in jail here?

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Speaker 1: So it was actually like really shitty at Alcatraz because

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Speaker 2: From, even though Clint Eastwood did exactly.

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Speaker 1: I love that that movie. It's so good. So so yeah,

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Speaker 1: they brought him to Alcatraz because he kept breaking out

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Speaker 1: served time at Alcatraz, you know, well, this.

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Speaker 2: Is what I'm talking about, Like he made a bad

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Speaker 2: But clearly, like he eventually paid his time and he

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Speaker 2: So they start the doctors then start asking him, like,

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Speaker 1: You just I just I just don't want to know.

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Speaker 2: He convinces her to get back with him, and then

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Speaker 1: Oh no.

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Speaker 2: A contractor goes to the police and says, I recently

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Speaker 2: I don't think they ever found the capsules, but they yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's just it's it's really scary, Like we actually know

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Speaker 2: She got pregnant very quickly. They got married within months

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen her every day like you have. It

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Speaker 2: he probably would have if that contractor never came forward

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Speaker 2: and showed police the source of lead that could easily

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447
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Speaker 1: So a woman's gone viral on TikTok after sharing she

448
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Speaker 1: was born without the ability to blink, and it's a

449
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: condition that she inherited from her father. It's called congenital potosis.

450
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 1: So potosis is droopy eyelids. So she was born with

451
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Speaker 1: a condition that her levitator muscle that is surrounding her

452
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Speaker 1: eye it doesn't work to lift up her eyelids, so

453
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: her eyes just constantly look like sleepy.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting the article is saying that she had a

455
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Speaker 2: procedure done to try to fix this, because immediately I'm like, well,

456
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Speaker 2: how does that work? Because what in her eyeballs dry

457
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Speaker 2: out and cause other issues. But I guess they were

458
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Speaker 2: able to go in and change the way. You could

459
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Speaker 2: probably explain this better than I changed the muscle it

460
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 2: was coming from. So it comes from her eyebrow muscle

461
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Speaker 2: the way she blinks.

462
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be a problem for some people because

463
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: the lids could droop so much that it actually covers

464
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: the pupil and could cause problems with visions, so they

465
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Speaker 1: have to surgically intervene sometimes. But you could see still

466
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Speaker 1: as an adult that her eyelids look a little bit

467
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Speaker 1: different than anybody else's. But I think it's cool, Like,

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Speaker 1: it's cool she's talking about it. Of course, she said

469
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Speaker 1: that she got bullied and made fun of and stuff

470
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Speaker 1: like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which surprised me with her decision to share it

472
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Speaker 2: online because she said she had never met anybody else

473
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Speaker 2: with a condition except people in her family that also

474
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Speaker 2: have it. So she's actually been met with overwhelming amount

475
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Speaker 2: of kindness on TikTok, which I can't believe because people

476
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Speaker 2: are so mean on there, which she's actually been connected

477
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Speaker 2: with other people that have it too, So it's cool

478
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Speaker 2: that she's trying to like show off this unique thing

479
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Speaker 2: that's going on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is all right.

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Speaker 2: After getting married in twenty twenty three, this couple was

482
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 2: going to get pregnant, wasn't having any luck, and thought

483
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Speaker 2: they were facing the dreaded diagnosis of unexplained infertility, which

484
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Speaker 2: I explained to my IVF to SECTION a couple of

485
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Speaker 2: weeks ago. But as it turns out, after some testing,

486
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Speaker 2: doctors discovered that the wife is allergic to her husband's DNA.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is really crazy. So when you

488
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Speaker 1: know these people, so she's having a fertility problem, but

489
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Speaker 1: these people often don't have a problem for fertilization of

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Speaker 1: the egg, and in this case, she was getting IVF,

491
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Speaker 1: so thinking that that was the problem, when really the

492
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Speaker 1: fertilization isn't the problem. It's once it, you know, the

493
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Speaker 1: fertilized egg is then a combined your own DNA and

494
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Speaker 1: the father's DNA, And this happens when a person's body

495
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: recognizes that father's DNA as foreign and attacks it and

496
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Speaker 1: gets it out. I mean, this is like really bad

497
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Speaker 1: if you have this happen, obviously, and it's an interesting

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Speaker 1: question bring up because people that have this happen have

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Speaker 1: history of multiple failed IVF attempts, and is this something

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Speaker 1: that gets brought up at the IVF doctor if a

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Speaker 1: person's having multiple attempts.

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Speaker 2: Well before in my case, before you even go through IVF,

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Speaker 2: Before you get there, I mean, you got to get

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Speaker 2: so much testing done to try to figure out what

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Speaker 2: the problem is. But unfortunately, when they really can't find

506
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Speaker 2: an answer, you get diagnosed with unexplained infertility, which is

507
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Speaker 2: like probably the worst thing ever. You just don't know

508
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: what's causing it. So in this case, they ended up

509
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Speaker 2: doing one round of IVF that failed, and before continuing

510
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 2: on with that, which is so astronomically expensive. The husband

511
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 2: was like, hold on a second, like, I just think

512
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Speaker 2: we need to get some more testing done, and that's

513
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: when they gave them this test and figured it out.

514
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Speaker 2: So now they're trying to do this quote unquote immunotherapy

515
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Speaker 2: with her, where they said it's called lteth therapy, where

516
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 2: they're injecting process samples of the husband's blood into the

517
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Speaker 2: wife to help her immune system try to build tolerance.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is just such a rare thing and

519
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: I feel like they have a really long road ahead

520
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Speaker 2: of them, and not to mention extremely expensive.

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Speaker 1: Well it's kind of like she's getting like allergy shots,

522
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: yeah for the husband, right wow. But yeah, it's also

523
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:33,719
Speaker 1: not it might be like semi controversial treatment too. You know,

524
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: a lot of practices don't do it. It's not FDA

525
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: approved for normal fertility treatment. That doesn't mean that it

526
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: doesn't work and people aren't using it, but there are

527
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: controversies with it, and a lot of the studies are

528
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: showing that it's the results are inconsistent and it's hard

529
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Speaker 1: to reproduce the results, and some studies show that there's

530
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Speaker 1: a benefit to this therapy. Others don't but they also

531
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Speaker 1: said they're working to improve her immune system so it

532
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily attack those cells as soon as it sees them.

533
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, like I guess, I guess I

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Speaker 1: have a lot of questions about it because just because

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Speaker 1: she's allergic to his DNA, would she be allergic to

536
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: someone else's DNA. It seems like you have these markers

537
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: on your cells, and it seems like this is happening

538
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 1: in people that have similar markers on their cells, So

539
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: like maybe if you found one that was a little

540
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Speaker 1: bit you know what I mean, Like the markers are

541
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Speaker 1: just close enough that the body is like getting these

542
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: mixed signals and freaking out when it sees something that

543
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: it doesn't exactly recognize, whereas if it was a little

544
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Speaker 1: bit different, it might not have such a reaction.

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Speaker 2: I feel like this is just such a weird thing

546
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Speaker 2: that maybe I'm sure reproductive endochronologists have come across case

547
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Speaker 2: studies like this in the past, but it's it's just

548
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: such an unusual thing I don't think they would jump

549
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 2: to and not even recognize. I think for unexplained fertility,

550
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: the most common reasoning they believe causing it is what's

551
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: called like silent endometriosis when you're not really presenting with

552
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: typical endometriosis signs, but something's down there is still causing.

553
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: You know. It's mostly when women get transfers and the

554
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: embryos just will not take and they keep having miscarriages

555
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So this is interesting. We should

556
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Speaker 2: maybe get my beloved doctor osmond On here to talk

557
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 2: about exactly what they look for. So I don't know,

558
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: I think it's like, I think it's interesting, and I

559
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: think it's cool. They're being very open about it, so

560
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: maybe if there's other I mean, they can't be the

561
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: only people in the world going through this. We've had stories,

562
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Speaker 2: I feel, in the past of women being allergic.

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Speaker 1: I guess this was my question because a lot of

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Speaker 1: it is like, especially talking to certain not just you a,

565
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Speaker 1: but other people that have been going through eyes for

566
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Speaker 1: years that I've known, there's a little bit of you know,

567
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Speaker 1: since there's big money attached to it and cash, it

568
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Speaker 1: does make me a little concern sometimes, like for this

569
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Speaker 1: particular couple, like this was the husband's decision to check

570
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Speaker 1: this to see if this was a thing, and it

571
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Speaker 1: got checked and figured out, But like, how many times

572
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Speaker 1: do they let a woman go through the IVF treatment

573
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Speaker 1: and the husband the couple go through the IVF treatment

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Speaker 1: before they all they even suggest that this could be

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Speaker 1: a possibility, because if they didn't bring that up, they

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Speaker 1: might have went for a second round and never had

577
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Speaker 1: it done. Unless this is part of the normal testing

578
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Speaker 1: that they do at a place like yours.

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Speaker 2: I think it just depends on your clinic and your

580
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Speaker 2: specific doctor. There's definitely bad faith actors in this community

581
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Speaker 2: that are going to take advantage because it is so

582
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Speaker 2: expensive and they could be so profitable for these clinics.

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Speaker 2: But I also think it boils down to experience, and

584
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Speaker 2: it's like you just might have a doctor that's never

585
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: even thought of this being a possibility, and it.

586
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Speaker 1: Well, that's alarming to me. I Yes, So if that's

587
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: your thing, it's you know.

588
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I feel like, you know, everybody has IVF

589
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: is kind of also just one of those weird things

590
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: because it's so particular down to the chemistry of the

591
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,959
Speaker 2: one or two people trying to go through it together,

592
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: and so it's hard to tell what's right and what's wrong,

593
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: and what's being done right and what's not and everything.

594
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Speaker 2: So I think that's where they can get away with

595
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff like that. You just want to

596
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 2: hope in this world that people aren't doing that, but

597
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 2: we definitely know that some are.

598
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean one in particular, a family member of

599
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: mine went through it three four or five rounds, never

600
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: got pregnant. Never, and and like she's spent hundreds of

601
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Speaker 1: thousands of dollars to get it done. Well yeah that,

602
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Speaker 1: And I'm just kind of like, is there a point

603
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Speaker 1: where I mean, I understand they want to be optimistic,

604
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: and I guess it's chance, but it's it's also just like,

605
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: that's that's crazy. I think if you have a.

606
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Speaker 2: Good doctor, they won't allow you to a physically go

607
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: through that and be emotionally go through it. I mean,

608
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: it is so much to go through something like that.

609
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: I know my clinic, for example, before I knew what

610
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: my particular situation is, and we talked about the possibilities,

611
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: they were like, okay, we we would start you off

612
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: with IUI basically, but we only do three rounds of

613
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: EUI and if the three rounds are unsuccessful, then we

614
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: go to IVF. There are some clinics that will do

615
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 2: like twelve rounds of IUI before allowing you to go

616
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: to IF and it's like, Okay, at what point, I

617
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: feel like my place is a little bit of a

618
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: nicer clinic that maybe runs more of their own studies

619
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Speaker 2: and has better practices and everything, so they know what

620
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: works for them, and maybe that's why they're like, we've

621
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Speaker 2: seen in our practice and our research that if it

622
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: doesn't have been in three attempts, it's not happening. Yeah,

623
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Speaker 2: there's like a two percent chance of it happening, So

624
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: we're not even gonna bother. But then you have insurance

625
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: coming into it. Some insurances won't cover IVF unless you

626
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: go through a certain amount of IUI and testing. It's

627
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: just this is an industry that's you know, you want

628
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: to think that first IVF baby was born fifty years ago,

629
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Speaker 2: so it's been around for five decades give or take,

630
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: maybe more. But it's still kind of a new industry.

631
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: It's like social media and all this tech stuff. There

632
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: still needs to be some regulations put in place.

633
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you just want to hope.

634
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: In this case, it was like truly they couldn't figure

635
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: it out, and then well.

636
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Speaker 1: There's been thirst stories and then news all the time

637
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Speaker 1: that they're bad actors. Yeah, people like I just read

638
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: one the other day. Actually we didn't even talk about

639
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: it on the show. This woman like same thing, did

640
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: like a twenty three and meter test, found out that

641
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: she's got all these half siblings and they all figured

642
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: out they went to the same place, and you know, yeah,

643
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: it's like like it happens. Unfortunately, greed gets the best

644
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: of people sometimes, And.

645
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you could go to a really good place

646
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: and still have an issue happen, or have somebody be

647
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 2: a bad actor. So like, I don't know, it's really

648
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: up to you. You gotta like listen to your gut

649
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: and if something doesn't feel right, As somebody that just

650
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: went through this, I think you really gotta be like

651
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: I've gotta switch doctors or places or whatever.

652
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: To make it.

653
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: It should feel right to you the entire time. This

654
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 2: is such a serious thing. It's very emotionally taxing. It

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Speaker 2: costs so much money. It's a lot to go through.

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Speaker 2: And like I can't even express enough the emotional mental

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Speaker 2: So like, it has to feel good to you the

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Speaker 2: entire time, or it's just not gonna feel right even

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Speaker 2: if everything ends up being successful. You have to feel

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Speaker 1: Yes, all right.

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Speaker 2: On that note, we are gonna be on True Crime

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Speaker 2: with the Ours live on YouTube tomorrow night at six. Oh,

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Speaker 2: that's gonna be fun with Joe Jackaloone. We are so

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Speaker 2: excited for that.

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Speaker 1: I love him. He is so funny.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he is so funny and I really can't wait

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Speaker 2: to see what topics he has for us and talk

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Speaker 2: to him.

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Speaker 1: Oh God, it's gonna be a good time.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget, we have Mother Knows Death March now too, and.

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Speaker 2: We're trying to work on a Valentine's Day collection.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, if you guys have any ideas, you feel free.

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Speaker 2: Email us your ideas. But we'll have some new stuff

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Speaker 1: listening to Mother Nos Death. As a reminder, my training

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Speaker 1: is as a pathologist assistant. I have a master's level

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