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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: We searched into the night, says a desperate family after

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Speaker 2: little Darius, just six years old, vanishes on an extended

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Speaker 2: family camping trip. How could a little six year old

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Speaker 2: boy vanish into thin air while the adults were watching

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Speaker 2: him play with other children. I'm Mascy Grace, this is

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: What was meant to be a peaceful family getaway in

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Speaker 3: the wilderness of Alberta, Canada, has turned into a devastating mystery.

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Speaker 3: The McDougall family, eager to create lasting memories, was thrown

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Speaker 3: into chaos when one of the young children wandered off.

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Speaker 2: I have taken the children from a very young age.

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Speaker 2: All across the country are being and camping. I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure how you lose a child on a camping trip,

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Speaker 2: but it's happened a lot.

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Speaker 1: This is the first.

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Speaker 2: Time a child has gone missing on a camping trip.

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Speaker 2: The parents, the grandparents, There was extended family or family

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Speaker 2: friends there.

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Speaker 1: They were all packing to leave and go back home.

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Speaker 2: And you know, when you're packing, packing up the RV

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Speaker 2: or the station wagon or the SUV, you turn your

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Speaker 2: back right you're loading it up everything's running crazy. But

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Speaker 2: how could a little boy vanish into thin air and

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Speaker 2: be gone so quickly he can't be found?

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's start at the beginning.

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Speaker 4: Listen, six year old Darius on a camping trip with dad, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins,

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Speaker 4: dad's girlfriend Buffy and her daughter Kaya. The family gathers

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Speaker 4: to celebrate family birthdays, camping in crows nest, passed with rivers, creeks,

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Speaker 4: hiking areas and small islands close to shore where the

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Speaker 4: children love to play.

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Speaker 2: Let me just start right there because I need to

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Speaker 2: understand the terrain.

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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel.

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Speaker 2: But I want to go first to Stephen Tipper, joining

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Speaker 2: us from Post Media.

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Speaker 1: Stephen, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Could you just let me just start with the terrain

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Speaker 2: where they were camping.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a very uneven train. Lots of different kinds

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Speaker 5: you know, mountainous terrain. You know there's there's bodies of

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Speaker 5: water there. It's it's you know obviously in the in

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Speaker 5: the rocky so it's you know, uh, there's quite a

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Speaker 5: varied you know mixture. I mean, the uh that they were.

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Speaker 2: A tree Steven Tipper Steven joining US investigative reporter with

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Speaker 2: Post Media Check it out. Brian Fitzgibbons, Uh Fitzgibbons, Director

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Speaker 2: Operations USPA Nationwide Secure who leads a team of expert

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Speaker 2: investigators specializing in finding missing people.

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Speaker 1: Look at those trees, Brian. I mean.

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is a child gets lost in those trees,

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Speaker 2: that's going to be really hard to find, even with dogs,

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Speaker 2: even with cadets shoulder to shoulder. Did you see that

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Speaker 2: picture we just showed, Fitzgibbons.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, this is rugged terrain, Nancy. And you can see,

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Speaker 6: as you know, the thick forests, the dense forest there

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Speaker 6: makes not only the search complicated, but for the six

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Speaker 6: year old child who's missing, he's quickly disoriented once he's

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Speaker 6: separated from his group.

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Speaker 7: So you know, this.

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Speaker 6: Terrain is possibly some of the least ideal terrain for

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Speaker 6: a search like this to take place.

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Speaker 2: Fitz Gibbons, I worked as a heightmaster and teaching tree identification,

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Speaker 2: believe it or not, in a national forest.

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Speaker 1: Had to carry a compass with.

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Speaker 2: Me just in case you get disoriented, like you were

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Speaker 2: just saying, in those trees where everywhere you look everything

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Speaker 1: That happens. It's a phenomena. Doctor Trey Sargent joining.

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Speaker 2: US PhD and psychology focus on victimology and in a

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Speaker 2: previous life starts rescue recovery expert.

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Speaker 1: It happens. It's a phenomena. You get in those trees

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Speaker 2: All seem to look alike, and you get turned around

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Speaker 1: Year old little boy.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely right, Nancy, Children at this age don't have the

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Speaker 8: they want to be. They become very disoriented, they become

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Speaker 8: very frightened. Oftentimes they hide because that a survival mechanism.

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Speaker 8: Oftentimes they cover themselves up, they get underneath logs. Not

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Speaker 8: only the challenge of the terrain itself, but then you

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Speaker 2: And to Karen Start joining US forensic psychologists ornow on

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Speaker 2: TV Radio Trauma Expert at Karenstart dot com. Karen, Okay,

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Speaker 2: just for a moment, don't think about the little six

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Speaker 2: And I'm still I got to get back with Steven

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Speaker 2: Tipper about this. I still don't get how they're camping,

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Speaker 2: they see him playing with the other children, they're packing,

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Speaker 2: they turn around, He's gone. I'm trying to figure out

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Speaker 2: that timeline. But think about them suddenly looking for him, Karen,

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Speaker 9: Without a doubt, because how can you not he's so upset.

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Speaker 9: This is a six year old, their child, their grandchild,

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Speaker 9: their relative and friend, and everybody is searching for this

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Speaker 9: little boy. They would be in a complete panic, Nancy,

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Speaker 9: you would be. I would be what can happen?

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Speaker 7: Anything?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, put Karen the star cup please, Karen.

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Speaker 2: You and I talked after this happened. And this is

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Speaker 2: just a very small, very small comparison. I've told you

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Speaker 2: when John David about John David when he was before.

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Speaker 1: He was three, and we were in that giant.

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Speaker 2: Super Baby superstore and I was down crouchtywn trying to

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Speaker 2: find organic sunscreen.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, I stood up, I turned around.

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Speaker 2: There was Lucy. No John David. Remember. I picked Lucy

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Speaker 2: up like a football and started running and screaming to

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Speaker 2: Now that you're talking, I've never thought about this before,

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Speaker 2: But everything else seemed to be a blur, like a

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Speaker 2: Lucy and running to those front doors.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know why I was running toward the

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Speaker 2: I guess to try to stop the doors from opening

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Speaker 2: somebody taking him out. Little did I know he was

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Speaker 2: playing hide and seek with mommy and was a few

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Speaker 2: But when you say they get disoriented, that can happen

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Speaker 9: They're like as you describe Nancy in suspended animation in

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Speaker 1: Really don't know what to do.

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Speaker 9: You're not aware of what you're doing. You're hard to

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Speaker 9: stop gain breathe, and you're just panicking. How can you

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Speaker 9: not that's exactly what happened with you and John David.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out though, how he could get away,

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Speaker 2: Karen start and just like that, as a matter of fact,

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Speaker 2: I want you to hear these facts before we analyze

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Speaker 2: any further tonight. Where is this six year old little boy?

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Speaker 2: How did he just vanish into thin air?

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Speaker 1: Listen to this.

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Speaker 4: As the family's packing up to head home, Darius Kaya

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Speaker 4: and a cousin are on a small island directly across

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Speaker 4: The children turn their back for a second and Darius

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Speaker 4: is gone. Father and grandfather immediately begin searching, going different

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Speaker 2: Stephen Tipper joining us investigative reporter with Post Media. Steven again,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us tonight, Stephen. I'm still

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Speaker 2: trying to nail down exactly what happened, and I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying it didn't happen, just like they're describing it. I

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Speaker 2: remember when Samantha Runyon went missing, she was with her grandma,

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Speaker 2: and grandma was at I think the kitchen, seeing looking

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Speaker 2: And before Grandma can get out there, he was gone

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Speaker 2: sixty mph. So it can't happen just like that. But

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Speaker 2: I need to understand the running case. Explain to me again,

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Speaker 2: how did this happen?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I mean they were packing up and getting

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Speaker 5: they just turn their backs, that's what the family says,

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Speaker 5: and he was gone. You know, Darius is autistic. He

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Speaker 5: doesn't like loud noises or bright lights, and that kind

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Speaker 5: of did affect the search. You know, the searchers did

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Speaker 5: avoid those kinds of things that they avoided making loud

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Speaker 1: The search, Steve, And I don't understand that. I do

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Speaker 2: How can you avoid loud noises and lights during a search.

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Speaker 2: You've got to call out for the boy, maybe on

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that they were using bright lights. How were

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Speaker 2: they avoiding loud sounds and bright lights and searching for him?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I mean the best of the rabbits. I'm

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Speaker 5: sure that they were doing that. There were some sounds

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Speaker 5: that he found appealing as well. He had a favorite

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Speaker 5: song that they would use extensively during the search. They

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Speaker 5: didn't say what that song was, but certainly you know

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Speaker 5: there were efforts to try and appeal to Darius Steven.

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Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. Would that be soothing to him?

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Speaker 2: Karen start. They were trying to play his favorite maybe

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Speaker 2: it was a lullaby. They haven't told us what the

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Speaker 2: song was, trying to find him and lure him out.

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Speaker 9: I think that that was a brilliant idea, Nancy, because

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Speaker 9: children who are artistic, they don't necessarily respond to calling

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Speaker 9: you their name. Sometimes they're afraid, sometimes they're distracted, and

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Speaker 9: yet they need to.

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Speaker 9: So playing his favorite song that might be something that

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Speaker 9: all the time. They're impulsive, so and they get scared.

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Speaker 9: Any little child will get scared, but if you're artistic,

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Speaker 9: you're particularly scared frightened.

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Speaker 1: You're in the forest crime stories with Nanthy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Joining me now high profile Theattle lawyer Anne Bremner.

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Speaker 1: This is her neck of the woods.

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Speaker 2: She's a veteran trial lawyer, legal analyst, author of Justice

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Speaker 2: in the Age of Judgment, and Bremner, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. When we were just

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Speaker 2: describing and there's Steven Tipper talking about it from Post

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Speaker 2: Media and Karen Stark about playing the music. All I

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Speaker 2: can think about Anne is is I still call him Anne.

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Speaker 2: You haven't seen him in a couple of years, but

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Speaker 2: John David is six' six, now BUT i still think

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Speaker 2: of him as Little lucy and Baby John, david AND

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Speaker 2: i can just ALL i can do and is think

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Speaker 2: about Baby John david out in that forest And i'm

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Speaker 2: trying to play his favorite lullaby or song to lure him.

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Speaker 1: Out and a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of people have been attacking the family and the,

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Speaker 2: parents AND i really believe that is uncalled. For just

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Speaker 2: like WHEN i was in the, SUPERSTORE i was down

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Speaker 2: lotion AND i wasn't staring right At John david for

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Speaker 11: Down they're trying to find their loved. One and you,

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Speaker 2: Cooperative these parents have been completely, cooperative but a lot

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Speaker 10: Not the family, well, YEAH i mean at the bottom

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Speaker 10: GO i, mean where's the evidence that somehow they secreted him.

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Speaker 2: Why there is no good. Why but that's a good

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Speaker 1: There where are you going to hide the child and?

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Speaker 2: Me you would have to believe the entire group was

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Speaker 1: The mom or. Dad that simply is not. Feasible, okay

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Speaker 4: This searching the island and screaming his, Name darius seems

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Speaker 12: Favor a young man does not suffer from any health.

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Speaker 3: News six year Old darius McDougall known for his infectious

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Speaker 2: Twentyfold straight out To stephen were joining us investigative reporter post.

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Speaker 2: Media could you explain to me who all was on

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Speaker 2: There you, know To karen start joining us forensic. Psychologists many, people.

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Speaker 1: And i'm not agreeing with, them BUT i want to

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Speaker 2: You many people are attacking the family saying they just

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Speaker 2: got tired of dealing with an autistic. CHILD i find

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Speaker 1: The parents didn't care about him.

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Speaker 2: Because he's, autistic or they had just reached their, limit

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Speaker 2: so what they killed. Him i'm not buying into that at.

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Speaker 9: Well you, know that's what happens in these days is really,

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Speaker 9: Nancy it's sad that that keeps happening, too don't you, Think, well.

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Speaker 2: You, KNOW i get the feeling of some of the,

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Speaker 1: In your mind you're, like, WELL i would never do.

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Speaker 2: That you, know you can extrapolate this And, bremner for,

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Speaker 2: Karina there's so many when women are out jogging and

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Speaker 2: well why was she jogging? Alone or why was she

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Speaker 2: THAT i wonder if people just need somebody to. Blame

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Speaker 10: Effort, no but you're so right on and like Shaden,

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Speaker 11: Crime it's the same. THING i don't want it to

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Speaker 10: Me it must have been, something must have been a jogging,

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Speaker 11: Look at and to. Blame and, finally you, know.

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Speaker 10: With social media these, days you know everybody's comment in

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Speaker 11: Know all the kind of things we never really saw.

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Speaker 10: Tragedy let's these cases get you, know investigated.

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Speaker 11: In due, course then we'll know what the real. Situation

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Speaker 2: Issue there, though a rimner Because Office gibbons joining, Me

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Speaker 2: Brian fitzgibbons FROM Uspa Nationwide, Security. Brian the statistics are

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Speaker 2: when a child goes missing or is, killed overwhelmingly it's

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Speaker 7: Not you, Know i'll, disagree you know with the previous.

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Speaker 6: Ordinary you, know this group was isolated, camping so no

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Speaker 7: Me i'm not saying that they. Did it just does

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Speaker 1: GUYS i just want to give you a tip line

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Speaker 7: There we relying our search and rescue experts for.

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Speaker 12: That there are two small rivers that are also in.

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Speaker 2: Terrain from our friends At Global news trade back out to,

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Speaker 5: BOG i mean that was among the the bodies of

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Speaker 2: A bog is is like a freshwater.

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Speaker 1: Marsh it's, spongy.

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Speaker 2: as reeds or. Cattails that's HOW i picture. Bog very

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Speaker 2: Well the search to rescue volunteers mount to over four

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Speaker 13: Listen more than four hundred search and rescue volunteers from

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Speaker 13: fifty teams or to search For. Darius these volunteers contributed

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00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 13: to eleven thousand hours of search effort on the. Ground

442
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 13: they were joined by sixty members of THE Rcmp Specialized

443
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 13: Tactical Support group that were directly involved.

444
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 14: In searching For.

445
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 13: Darius the search extended up to twelve kilometers from Where

446
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 13: darius was last. Seen the distance traveled by ground search

447
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 13: assets inside that twenty two square kilometers on field tasks

448
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 13: was more than fivesy three hundred. Kilometers the search extended

449
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 13: up to twelve kilometers from Where darius was last. Seen

450
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 13: the distance traveled by ground search assets inside that twenty

451
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 13: two square kilometers on field tasks was more than five,

452
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 13: thousand three hundred.

453
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: Kilometers Great City.

454
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 3: News just across the, Creek darius was playing with other

455
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 3: children near the, campsite and the adults.

456
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 7: Were keeping a watchful.

457
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 3: Eye but in a single fleeding moment of, distraction Feel darius.

458
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 2: Vanished joining Me, Now Crime stories investigative reporter on the,

459
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 2: Case Dave Matt, dave let me understand What i'm just.

460
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: Hearing so.

461
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 2: The little Boy varius is on the other side of

462
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 2: a river.

463
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: Or a, stream playing on an. Island, What, yeah It's.

464
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 14: Nancy the camping area actually is right on the. Water

465
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 14: and you're talking about an area that has it does

466
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 14: have creeks and streams and. Ponds in this particular, case

467
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 14: you've got a creak and it's not a big. Distance

468
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 14: it's right, there maybe twenty thirty, Yards, nancy and they

469
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 14: can see the children playing on this little. Island, now

470
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 14: as a, parent when your children are with other, children

471
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 14: we tend to feel a little bit safer in what's taking.

472
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 7: Place whole safety in, numbers.

473
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 14: And while they're packing, up they're all keeping an eye

474
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 14: on the. Children it's not just one parent's, child it's

475
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 14: multiple parents and family members that are watching after these

476
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 14: children that are playing in a Confined that's the shocking

477
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 14: part of all of this is that they were right

478
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 14: there and the children are the ones that that we

479
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 14: turned our back and he was.

480
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 4: Gone friends and family create A facebook Page Bring darius McDougall,

481
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 4: home where the family posts their first message to the.

482
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 4: Public in the, post they explain arriving at the campsite

483
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 4: On friday with the extended family members together and celebrate.

484
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: What they call a few.

485
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 4: Birthdays as the adults packed to go, home the kids

486
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 4: are playing on the island adjacent the camp just across

487
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 4: the creek where the adults could see. Them Darius kaya

488
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 4: and a cousin were walking playing together with other kids close.

489
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 4: By they turned their backs And darius was.

490
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 2: Gone, okay, granted it doesn't make sense to. Me they

491
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 2: turn their back and now he's. Gone Steven, Tipper i'm

492
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: not saying that's not. Correct i'm just trying to understand

493
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 2: SO i can piece together some similars of a, timeline

494
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 2: because nobody can Just. Dan it's like that when you

495
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: turn your back and you turn back. Around there had

496
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 2: to be some intervening time period.

497
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: Something what are you.

498
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 5: LEARNING i, mean there's been, little but it's been you,

499
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 5: know given to us by the, family other than the

500
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 5: public statement that they made this, week you, know and

501
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 5: THE rcmp said that they were they see the call

502
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 5: at eleven thirty on That sunday, morning and you know

503
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 5: of a missing. Boy there's you, know that's the call

504
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 5: came in about after an app about an hour after

505
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 5: the family had begun their search For, darius.

506
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: You, know And brimner right there they waited an hour

507
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: to call nine one. ONE i also do not find that.

508
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: Disturbing And i'll tell you. Why unlike a child that

509
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: goes missing from their own, home when the child is

510
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: supposed to be asleep and you go in the next

511
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: morning and they're, gone this is a lot.

512
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: Different because they're out. Camping they started.

513
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: Looking for him, first and then when they couldn't find,

514
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: him they called nine one.

515
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: ONE i don't find that, Unusual? Ambrimner not at?

516
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 14: All, YEAH i don't either an.

517
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 11: ANSWER i, mean the fact is is that they're, thinking,

518
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 11: well he's got to be here.

519
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 10: SOMEWHERE i, mean you, know he was just here with,

520
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 10: everybody and everyone just faun him and so they. LOOKED

521
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 10: i think an hour is not. EXTREME i mean that.

522
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 11: The fact is they might have looked for him for

523
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 11: more than an, hour you, know being satisfied they could find,

524
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 11: him you.

525
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: Know BUT i do have anne uh control and thinking

526
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: you go back to those.

527
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: Pictures of the forest where the searchers are, GATHERED i

528
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: don't understand looking at this, picture how.

529
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: Where he. Was he was across.

530
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: From them on an, island but they could see. Him

531
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: AND i have a also a problem with the, time

532
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: not the hour that they search for.

533
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: HIM i get, that BUT.

534
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: I still am not buying into he was there and

535
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: they turned their back and then he was.

536
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: Gone that's like three. Seconds so what really?

537
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: Happened were they playing hide and go seek and he

538
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: was hiding and then he was? GONE i Just i'm

539
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: not the timeline is concerning to. Me let me look at.

540
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: That how can you say he was? THERE i turned my,

541
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: BACK i turned, around he was. Gone that part's not

542
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: making sense to. Me but let's hear from the mom.

543
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 15: As a mother who is very concerned about her. Son

544
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 15: i'm pleading with my entire being if anyone Knows i've seen,

545
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 15: anything tell the police anything From september twenty first time

546
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 15: now when The coses passed.

547
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: Area that can.

548
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 15: Help please keep Saying darius's photo on social media update

549
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 15: so that his beautiful face is out.

550
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: There we've just exhausted all search.

551
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: Tactics there's just nothing else for us to search at this.

552
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: Time but there's nothing to indicate foul play is. Involved,

553
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: okay she's saying, That Corporal Gina, slaney she's saying there

554
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: is nothing to indicate foul play is, Involved so then

555
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: where is? He? Guys that's for our friends At Bridge

556
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 2: To news AND. Cbc, brian that seems inconsistent to.

557
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 6: Me, yeah that is, inconsistent, right because if you knew,

558
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 6: that if you could rule out that there was no foul,

559
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 6: play we would either have Found darius or we would

560
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 6: have found evidence of what may have. Transpired, Right so

561
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 6: it's impossible to rule out foul play here in my, opinion.

562
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: How a Little, Yeah how can you just right off

563
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: the bat rule out foul? Play how did they get to?

564
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 8: That?

565
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 6: Brian, yeah it seems that's kind of a whitewashing. Statement

566
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 6: there's no way to say that definitively. Right SO i

567
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 6: would have to, assume Or i'd like to assume that

568
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 6: there is an ongoing investigation, here given That darius has

569
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 6: not been found and nobody has been, recovered that the

570
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 6: police are still interviewing and speaking, with particularly the children

571
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 6: that were supposedly on that walk with.

572
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: The crime stores With Nancy.

573
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: Grace you, Know i'm just trying to figure out again

574
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: regarding this Terrain Crowsness, pass.

575
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: Is it heavily?

576
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: Camped are there a lot of campers, hikers travelers.

577
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,479
Speaker 1: There, Steven, yes for.

578
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 5: SURE i mean there are several campgrounds in the. AREA

579
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 5: i mean it is a popular spot to go camping

580
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 5: in The Rockies, theirs and it's but, YEAH i mean

581
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 5: there are are you, know lots of people enjoy going

582
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 5: to that area during the summer in the, fall and,

583
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 5: yeah so it's it's A i, mean it's a picture as,

584
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 5: spot you, know to spend weekend away kind. Of so,

585
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 5: yeah it's it's pretty.

586
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: Popular, Okay Fitz, gibbons think this through with me for

587
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: just one.

588
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: Moment we keep referring to this as a remote, area

589
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: but the town itself has about fifty seven hundred in.

590
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: Population but wait for.

591
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: This according to The, atlas around three hundred thousand people

592
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: visit are walking Through Crow's nest every.

593
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: Year put, Up Fis, gibbs, Please so it's not like

594
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: the family is out there all by. Themselves.

595
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: Right you ever heard the Name Israel? Keys is that

596
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: ringing a? Bell he was one of the most prolific

597
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 2: serial killers in THE us, ever and he went under the.

598
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: Radar but one.

599
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 2: Place he liked to stalk his victims national, PARKS rv,

600
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: camps people that were camping.

601
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: Intents he loved.

602
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 2: It and he spoke of, it and his words were

603
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: matched up with actual victims that prior to his speaking

604
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: had been unsolved. Aumicides so this is like a stalker

605
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: of predator's happy hunting. Ground what do you think about

606
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: that three hundred thousand strangers a, Year.

607
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 6: Hey could be and you, know certainly for transient and you,

608
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 6: know serial, killers.

609
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 7: Folks with nefarious.

610
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 6: Intentions the these places that have very limited, control campgrounds

611
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 6: and things like that are hunting grounds for. Them so

612
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 6: is there a possibility That darius was separated from his

613
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 6: group and was. Abducted certainly there's enough people there to

614
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 6: make that, possible and it's isolated enough.

615
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 7: To make the search very.

616
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 6: Difficult so this is really the worst of a lot

617
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 6: of potential scenarios.

618
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 4: Here the search For darius includes volunteers and experts. Alike

619
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 4: ground personnel were supported by, helicopters, drones, dogs, horses boat mounted,

620
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 4: sonar swift water rescue and underwater search. Teams it is

621
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 4: a massive operation involving multiple. Agencies the search and rescue

622
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 4: teams covered thirteen square miles over rough terrain and found no,

623
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 4: clothing no, footprints no signs Of.

624
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 7: Darius were.

625
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 4: Found two volunteer teams of cadaver dogs also searched the

626
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 4: area and detected no trace Of.

627
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: Darius, no, no this is really not fitting.

628
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 2: Together now to a doctor trace, sergeant you don't have a, shoe,

629
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: clothing a, toy, nothing and cadaver dogs search and don't find.

630
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: Anything what people.

631
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 8: Don't realize our end goal with all these resources is

632
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 8: to Find. Darius but what is just as important as

633
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 8: using all these resources to eliminate areas to, say you know,

634
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 8: what we don't know Where darius, is but we can

635
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 8: say definitively he's not, here which actually helps mooth the

636
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 8: investigation forward and even answer some of those questions that

637
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 8: many people.

638
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: Have, yeah what about, it Fitz.

639
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: Gibbons not only do they fail to find any trace of,

640
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: him like a, toy he had a, shoe a, sock,

641
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 2: clothing a, shirt they also don't get a hit from

642
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 2: any of the cadaver.

643
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 1: Dogs so there he. Is he either he's there hiding.

644
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: Alive well that's or he's been completely removed from the,

645
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 2: area or those cadaver dogs would have hit on him

646
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 2: even in a Bog, yeah.

647
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 7: You would, Think, Nancy and remember this is a six

648
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 7: year old. Boy, okay he's.

649
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 6: Not going to cover that much terrain by. Foot and

650
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 6: you had police searching rescue. Groups there were upwards of

651
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 6: four hundred individuals.

652
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 7: Involved by the seventh day of this. Search they were

653
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 7: in line on a grid, search, okay shoulder to.

654
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 6: Shoulder you, know you had, helicopters thermal imaging, drones people on,

655
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 6: horseback you had swift, teams boat teams searching river beds

656
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 6: and where the swift waters. Were so there was a

657
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 6: very extensive search that took. Place here they've narrowed down

658
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 6: and said some of these areas he's definitely not in

659
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 6: no sign of him in.

660
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 7: There. Okay so now you're, thinking was there animal?

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Speaker 6: Activity there is a high bear population, Here what could happen?

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Speaker 7: There would we find? Something would though you would still

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Speaker 7: hit with that kibbons if that were.

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Speaker 2: The, case if a bear or creature had gotten, him

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Speaker 2: we would still have adverdog.

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Speaker 7: Hit you.

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Speaker 6: Know the only thing there is you, know he could

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Speaker 6: be taking miles and miles away outside of that.

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Speaker 7: Grid that would be the only.

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Speaker 2: The only piece by a, creature because the creature is

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Speaker 2: not going to take a boy miles and miles. AWAY

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Speaker 2: a person, would but not a, creature a creature was

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Speaker 2: stout to, eat it's a, victim not miles and miles

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Speaker 2: and miles. Away he would go back to its layer

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Speaker 2: and eat the. Victim at, WORST i believe from What

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Speaker 2: i've learned in past cases that the, creature the imaginary

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Speaker 2: creature would eat the victim before it got to its.

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Speaker 2: LAYER a human would absolutely take the tile miles and miles.

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Speaker 1: Away so, correct where are you going with?

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Speaker 7: That, No i'm saying.

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Speaker 6: That you, know it's it's conceivable that a bear could

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Speaker 6: carry its victim quite some.

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Speaker 7: Distance so there's. That and, also you know what we

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Speaker 7: brought up.

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Speaker 6: Before you, know if there was nefarious play here and

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Speaker 6: there was a.

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Speaker 7: Human moving, him you, know and that's quite quite.

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Speaker 2: Possible, Yeah and if a human moved, him we would

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Speaker 2: get a scent dog. Hit you remember When Lacy peterson was, Taken,

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Speaker 2: well that was, her that was her, body but a

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Speaker 2: god everdog followed her scent all the way from her

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Speaker 2: home On cozena In modesto all the way to The

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Speaker 2: San Francisco Bay.

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Speaker 1: Marina, okay so a regular scent dog would have picked

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Speaker 1: up on. Him but then there's another shot to the.

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Speaker 4: Family in another shot to the family Of. Darius Kyle,

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Speaker 4: warrior the six year old playing With darius at the

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Speaker 4: time he went, missing has now passed away At Children's

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Speaker 4: hospital from a medical. Emergency investigators say her death was

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Speaker 4: not criminal and not related to darius. Disappearance kyle was

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Speaker 4: the daughter Of dallas McDougall's, Girlfriend. Buffy they were on

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Speaker 4: the camping trip With dallas And darius and participated in

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Speaker 4: the search.

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Speaker 1: And, bremner high Profile seattle defense.

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Speaker 2: Lawyer i've said a million times there is no coincidence

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Speaker 2: in criminal. Law but we're being told the girlfriend who

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Speaker 2: was on the trip with her Boyfriend darius's father When

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Speaker 2: darius goes, missing now her, Child, kiya also six years,

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Speaker 2: old playing With darius at the time he goes.

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Speaker 1: Missing she's. Dead What, no you're, right.

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Speaker 11: There are no coincidences in criminal.

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Speaker 10: Law and, man, see you're exactly right in the deal

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Speaker 10: saying that he doesn't strike.

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Speaker 11: TWICE i, mean it's WHEN.

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Speaker 10: I saw, THAT i thought that IF i were the,

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Speaker 10: Prosecutor i'd be paying a lot more attention to this.

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Speaker 2: Case the search is still on for six year Old.

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Speaker 2: Darius where is? He there's no sign that he's. Dead

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Speaker 2: hence we are left to Believe darius is a live

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Speaker 2: sum where.

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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything.

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Speaker 2: About this, child think of your own children at this tender.

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Speaker 1: Age please dial four zero three five six' two two eight.

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Speaker 1: Six six repeat four zero three five six' two two.

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Speaker 1: Eight six' six.

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Speaker 2: Now we remember, An American, Hero Firefighter Isabella, oskarson idaho department,

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Speaker 2: land just twenty six killed in, the line of duty leaving,

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Speaker 2: Behind her Grieving. Parents kelvin And Kathleen American Hero Firefighter

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Speaker 2: isabella oskarson nancy grace, signing off goodbye friend