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Speaker 1: Welcome to Katie's Crib, a production of Shonda Land Audio

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Speaker 1: in partnership with I Heart Radio. There are videos online

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Speaker 1: of like had a hand express right, because I remember

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Speaker 1: being like, what am I doing? Am I a cow?

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Speaker 1: A lot of us just squeeze, So it's not squeezing.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna squeeze all day. You're going to get a

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Speaker 1: much out. Hi, everybody, and welcome back to Katie's Crib.

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Speaker 1: I want to be one of the first, if you

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Speaker 1: haven't heard yet, to say Happy National Breastfeeding Awareness Month.

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Speaker 1: That's right, folks, it is National Breastfeeding Awareness Month, and

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Speaker 1: at the end of the month it is Black Breastfeeding

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Speaker 1: Awareness Week. You guys know from listening to Katie's Crib

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Speaker 1: that breastfeeding was literally one of the hardest, most challenging,

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Speaker 1: craziest wild rides around motherhood that I've ever had, and

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Speaker 1: so I love doing episodes about it. And here to

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Speaker 1: honor National Breastfeeding Awareness Month and Black Breastfeeding Awareness Week,

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Speaker 1: we have Crystal do Haney. She is freaking awesome. She's

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Speaker 1: an educator on all breastfeeding issues. She has a registered nurse,

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Speaker 1: she's an International Board certified lactation counselor. She's a breastfeeding

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Speaker 1: mommy of two and she's got another baby on the way. Guys.

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Speaker 1: She's the founder of Milky Mama, which is an awesome company.

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Speaker 1: It makes delicious lactation treats designed to promote breast milk production.

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Speaker 1: I eat them on the regular. They are freaking delicious,

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Speaker 1: and her company is incredible. It's dedicated to educating, supporting,

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Speaker 1: and empowering parents to have the best breastfeeding journey possible.

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Speaker 1: She's here and she's awesome. Please welcome to Katie's crib.

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Speaker 1: Crystal du Hainey. Could you be cooler? Stop? You make

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Speaker 1: cookies and delicious treats that help us breastfeed our children,

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Speaker 1: and you put your money where your mouth is, and

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Speaker 1: you literally provide true help and social justice in an

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Speaker 1: area that is highly lacking in terms of black lactation

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Speaker 1: consultants and and helping black women to breastfeed. This is

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Speaker 1: all incredible. And when does your child do October? So

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Speaker 1: I'm doing October about six months along. So if you

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Speaker 1: hear me like burping or making weird noises, please don't

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Speaker 1: mind me. I'm just six months pregnant at the time

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Speaker 1: of this recording. We will not judge you that you

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Speaker 1: should ever feel that you found a safe space to burp,

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Speaker 1: to complain about your acid reflux, you're swelling ankles, etcetera, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: It is here. Tell me about your personal breastfeeding journey

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Speaker 1: with your first two and how it pushed you to

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Speaker 1: create milky Mama. Okay, that's a tough story. So with

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Speaker 1: my son, he's nine, by the way, when I was

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Speaker 1: pregnant with him, I was a nurse on the floor

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Speaker 1: could as a health care professional, and I my doctor

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Speaker 1: just would say, hey, you know, breastfeeding is good, but

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Speaker 1: that was really it. I didn't have any classes. Everyone

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Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, it's gonna be easy. I

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Speaker 1: can do that. It's natural, right, So outcomes the baby.

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Speaker 1: Then the nurses are like, here's your baby, feature baby,

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Speaker 1: So latched the baby on super painful. But everywhere else

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, you know problem we went home,

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Speaker 1: you know, screaming baby, nipples falling off. Basically I get it.

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Speaker 1: And none of my family, you know, it is maybe

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Speaker 1: of it's either this or that. It's not all or nothing. However,

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Speaker 1: it until you do it, it's really hard. Pumping is

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Speaker 1: So you've heard it here first from Crystal do Haitima.

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Speaker 1: Pumping is also breastfeeding, yes, But the point is that

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Speaker 1: know if it's old wise hill, but oh honey, no,

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Speaker 1: these lactation cookies. I mean, good lord, So, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: Moms hotel in our cookies. Yeah, none of that's going on.

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Speaker 1: But we have just nice healthy ingredients like oats, oats

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Speaker 1: herbs and our stress levels down. And when I pump,

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Speaker 1: I like look at videos of my daughter and I

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Speaker 1: meditate and I breathe. I love that cover the bottles.

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Speaker 1: Don't look at them because you don't want it to

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Speaker 1: become like a counting game of like I only made

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Speaker 1: this so many ounces on this boob and this many

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Speaker 1: ounces on that boob and all of those things. And

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Speaker 1: make sure your flanges are the right size too at

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Speaker 1: that in there. Oh that's the biggest thing, guys. We

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Speaker 1: never talked about this, and this is also not taught

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Speaker 1: from lactation consultants, but the filange, which is the pump

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Speaker 1: part that fits over your nipple, and it's sort of

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Speaker 1: like the shape of a cone has to be the

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Speaker 1: right size for your nipple, not only because then it's

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Speaker 1: not painful, but I mean it helps get the milk

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Speaker 1: out correct correct, And one can be a different size

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Speaker 1: than the other because our breasts or sisters are not twins.

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Speaker 1: So you gotta really got to measure I mean things

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Speaker 1: that we did not know and no one would tell you.

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Speaker 1: As mothers, we can be super self critical and overstretch

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Speaker 1: ourselves as we know this to be perfect. So I'm

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Speaker 1: curious that I'm going back to work and you're an entrepreneur.

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Speaker 1: How do you handle running a business being the mother

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Speaker 1: of two with a third on the way. How's your

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Speaker 1: mom guilt? How do you feel about being a working

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Speaker 1: milky mama? My mom guilt is present all the time.

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Speaker 1: I really have to like sent her myself and realize

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Speaker 1: that I just like I tell everyone else, like I'm

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Speaker 1: doing the best that I can. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: that being a business owner because I know that not

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Speaker 1: only is this business what feeds my family. I mean

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Speaker 1: my husband works too, hands a great job, but I

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Speaker 1: also have employees. Um, I have a team and it

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Speaker 1: provides for their families too. So when I'm working and

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Speaker 1: my kids want me to play and I can't, it's

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Speaker 1: such a hard struggle with you know, am I a

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Speaker 1: bad mom? While I'm to provide from them that I'm

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Speaker 1: sure just any working well and that has to go

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Speaker 1: to work, you know, has to struggle with So I

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Speaker 1: just have to keep things under her perspective and and

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Speaker 1: no when to be present and no when to shut

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Speaker 1: it off, and no one work will be there tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: and just try to balance and not beat myself up

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Speaker 1: and just give myself grace. I think that's one thing

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Speaker 1: that I've learned. And she just give myself grace. My

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Speaker 1: daughter taught me that. She said, well, me, just just

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Speaker 1: say sorry to yourself, don't you know She's just She's

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Speaker 1: just said's so sweet. Yeah, she's amazing. So she taught

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Speaker 1: me to just forgive myself and to not hold things,

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Speaker 1: you know, hold myself accountable for so many things because

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Speaker 1: it really adds to pressure and can cause depression and

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Speaker 1: anxiety and lots of things that I don't like to

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Speaker 1: deal with. So give yourself grace. Guys, you told me

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Speaker 1: why you created Milky Mama, and I want to talk

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Speaker 1: to you about how Milky Mama provides education and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that. What are some of the things that Milky

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Speaker 1: Mama is doing current me? So, currently we have my

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Speaker 1: entire team except our shipping department. And so if you

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Speaker 1: call email smoke signal D m however, you're going to

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Speaker 1: talk to a lactation consultant free, you charge, like we

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Speaker 1: don't charge you to call us and talk to us

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Speaker 1: and ask questions. I do alive almost every Monday since

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Speaker 1: I've been pregnant. You know, day, it's life, But I

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Speaker 1: try to do a live every Monday where I am

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Speaker 1: on Instagram and Facebook live demonstrating how to latch with

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Speaker 1: my fake boob and my fake baby. We have an

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Speaker 1: eight number, it's eight seven seven eight eight milky super cute,

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Speaker 1: and you can call us Monday through Friday and ask

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Speaker 1: for ask for lactation consultant and will answer your questions.

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Speaker 1: And then if you go to our Instagram page, if

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Speaker 1: you don't catch me live, my previous lives are safe,

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Speaker 1: so you can just scroll through our our type of

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Speaker 1: videos and watch flatching or you know, get answers to

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Speaker 1: common questions. So I try to do that every single Monday,

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Speaker 1: whenever possible. We also have a really robust email marketing system.

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Speaker 1: Or every month, if you say, hey, I am nursing

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Speaker 1: or I am pumping and my baby is two months old,

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Speaker 1: every single month you'll get a new email with tips

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Speaker 1: for breastfeeding a two month old or breastfeeding a three

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Speaker 1: month old as you progress in your journey, and you

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Speaker 1: also get this really cute certificate that meant that would

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Speaker 1: have meant so much to me, or it just says, hey,

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Speaker 1: you are amazing no matter how much milk you produce.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations for making it to three months or two months

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Speaker 1: just got to goose bumps. I think that's really important.

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Speaker 1: I would have loved that too. And I try to

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Speaker 1: give that to my friends who are breastfeeding, you know

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Speaker 1: who are like, oh shit, I you know, I'm giving

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Speaker 1: formula too, And I say, you're doing uh may zing.

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Speaker 1: Besides all the classes, um that are free and all

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Speaker 1: of these ways to help our mama's tell me about

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Speaker 1: the Milky Mama's Scholarship Fund. Oh yeah, so last year, um,

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Speaker 1: we launched a scholarship fund. Um. When I became a

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Speaker 1: lactatian consultant and i'd be CEO sed International Board certain

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Speaker 1: Lactation Consultant, I realized that there weren't very many, like

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Speaker 1: there's a group on Facebook of black lactation consultants, but

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Speaker 1: they earned a lot of us in there. And I

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Speaker 1: was trying to figure out what are the numbers, and

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Speaker 1: I found out that less than one percent of lactation

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Speaker 1: consultants are black, which is kind of sad because representation

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter, you know. And when you pair that with

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Speaker 1: the fact that Black women have the lowest rate and

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Speaker 1: breastfeeding when it comes to any other race, and Black

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Speaker 1: infants are dying at multiple, you know, rates higher than

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Speaker 1: any other race, you kind of start to think that

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Speaker 1: everything is connected. And then you also think about all

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Speaker 1: the generational and trauma and slavery and all of that

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Speaker 1: other stuff that just creates this big giant ball of crap. Right,

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Speaker 1: So I realized that something had to change, and I

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Speaker 1: wanted to kind of not only raise representation by being

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Speaker 1: a black woman showing hey, I breastfed and I you know,

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Speaker 1: I support you, um, but also allowing others that wanted

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Speaker 1: to support other women and wanted to help women learn

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Speaker 1: how to rescue as well, um that are women of color,

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Speaker 1: to achieve their dreams. So we started the Milky MoMA

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Speaker 1: Scholarship Foundation, where last year we ordered thirty applicants with

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Speaker 1: certification to become alloctation consultant or if they had already

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Speaker 1: completed the ninety hour course we paid for their example

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Speaker 1: to become an International Board certified Victation consultant. I have

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Speaker 1: goose bumps. Again, doesn't happen to me much these days,

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Speaker 1: but because I'm so tired of two children. But oh

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Speaker 1: my god, that is just really important, awesome work that

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Speaker 1: you guys are doing to make change and to keep

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Speaker 1: on the topic of race and you being a black

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Speaker 1: woman entrepreneur starting this business yourself, which by the way,

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Speaker 1: the community reaches over five hundred thousand Milky Mamas worldwide,

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Speaker 1: which is incredible, and congratulations on this, but you run

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Speaker 1: this business by yourself. In an Essence magazine, you noted

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Speaker 1: that in the beginning you actually framed from being the

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Speaker 1: face of the company because you were afraid that if

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Speaker 1: people knew you were black, you wouldn't get sales. So

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Speaker 1: what changed that for you? A day Like, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, I never did lives. I would never show

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Speaker 1: who I was um. And so one day I got

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Speaker 1: off work. A lot of people were asking questions and

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Speaker 1: doing like and I couldn't keep up with answering them all.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, it would be easier

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Speaker 1: if I just went on live. And I just kind

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Speaker 1: of struggled with myself and I said, you know what, effort,

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Speaker 1: Let's just do it. And so I went on Facebook

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Speaker 1: Live and showed my face and just said, hey, I'm

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Speaker 1: Crystal on the Owner, and just act like I was

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Speaker 1: as confident as I could be, even though I was

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Speaker 1: terrified inside. And they loved it, and they wanted me

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Speaker 1: to come back every week and nothing changed. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, every now and again we get some crazy

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Speaker 1: around Black Breastfeeding Week, which is the last week in August.

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Speaker 1: But for the most part, you know, I've been really

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Speaker 1: embraced by the breastfeeding community, which has has been really

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Speaker 1: you know, I opening and really inspiring to let me

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Speaker 1: know that hopefully, you know, the world is changing and

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Speaker 1: that women of color and black business owners can not

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Speaker 1: be afraid to show that they're a black owned business

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Speaker 1: and it really shouldn't have to be a thing that

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Speaker 1: we're a black owned business and we're just a business owner.

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Speaker 1: What are your dreams for Milky Mama in the future,

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Speaker 1: Oh wow? Um. I hope that we continue to reach

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Speaker 1: parents all over the world. I hope that through our

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Speaker 1: company that parents everywhere that choose to breastfeed or choose

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Speaker 1: not to breastfeed or whatever. Just figdn a place of

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Speaker 1: support where they can come and just get non judgmental,

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Speaker 1: unbiased support for their feeding journey and their parenting journey.

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Speaker 1: And I hope that we develop new products we already

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Speaker 1: are kind of like the cheesecake factory actation products. What

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Speaker 1: advice do you have for other parents who might have

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Speaker 1: a great entrepreneurial idea like yours to change the world?

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Speaker 1: You know, go for it. There are lots of tea

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Speaker 1: and cookie companies in the world, right but walk down

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Speaker 1: the bread out there hundred different types of breads. But

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Speaker 1: that didn't stop the next bread company from starting their company.

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Speaker 1: If your product or service solves a problem, people need it.

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Speaker 1: You know, we need more problem solving things in the world.

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Speaker 1: So go for it. And I support you, Crystal. I

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Speaker 1: just think you're so wonderful. Thank you. I think your

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Speaker 1: whole business Milky Mama is so inspiring. I think how

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Speaker 1: hard you work and the incredible efforts you're making to

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Speaker 1: try and fix the horrible disparity in lactation consultants and

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Speaker 1: all of that is just huge. Between the fund and

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Speaker 1: all of your access to education surrounding breastfeeding is awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thank you and thank you so much for coming on

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Speaker 1: Katie's Crib. And I encourage everyone to follow Milky Mama

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Speaker 1: on Instagram to crush those drinks and smoothies and cookies

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Speaker 1: and really use Milky Mama as your source to help

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Speaker 1: yourself and help your friends on your breastfeeding and feeding journey.

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Speaker 1: All of it um and Happy Breastfeeding Awareness Month. And

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Speaker 1: at the end of the month it is Black Breastfeeding

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Speaker 1: Awareness Week, and there's also many other weeks. There's Latin Um,

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Speaker 1: there's Hispanic, there's need of American, there's Asian, and there's

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Speaker 1: so many drop the month and will be highlighting every

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Speaker 1: single one UM this month, So stay tuned, stay tuned everybody.

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