1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: When I made this decision to come here, there was 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: no turning back. I am going to do everything in 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: my power to reach this school. I'm getting closer to 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: day by day, and that's all you can do. It's 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: not something that you wake up and that's just gonna 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: happen automatically. As long as you can go to sleep 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: thinking all right, I made point zero zero zero zero 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: one for that progress. That's a step in the right direction. 9 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: This is the Reformed Sports Project, a podcast about restoring 10 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: healthy balance and perspective in all areas of sports through 11 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: education and advocacy. Hi, this is Nick Bonacoor from the 12 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: Reform Sports Project podcast. Today, I'm speaking with Jake Marsh, 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: a sports business reporter for one of the country's most 14 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: popular sports podcast part in My Take by Barstool Sports. 15 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: After realizing his dreams of being a professional athlete wouldn't 16 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: come to fruition Let's be honest like most of us, 17 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: Jake studied broadcast and digital journalism at Syracuse University with 18 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: the goal of staying involved often the sport industry as 19 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: a play by play broadcaster. Jake and I discussed the 20 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: hard work and sacrifice it takes to get better, especially 21 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: when nobody's watching, how rejection can help fuel you, and 22 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: the importance of finding balance both personally and professionally. Let's 23 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: go freaking fired up. I have just a phenomenal guest. 24 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: We're gonna throw you a curveball, give you a different perspective. 25 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: I'm really really excited. Dudes on a very tight schedule, 26 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: so I'm really excited that he's able to take time 27 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: out of his busy day. He's helping out and a 28 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: part of my podcast, Barstool Sports play by play commentator 29 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: one of the hot up and comers in the space, 30 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: Jake Marks. Jake, thanks so much for hopping on, bro. 31 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me neck. I'm very excited to 32 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: talk with you today. Well, man, I appreciate and I 33 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: know your busiest heck, and thankful for the time. But 34 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: really why I wanted to have you and jac Is 35 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: is as I mentioned to you, you know, one of 36 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: my biggest beliefs is that you know, I have six kids, 37 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: and you know, all of my kids at one point 38 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: or even myself included, we all aspired. You know, when 39 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: we were younger, we played sports. I did, my kids did, 40 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: and it's like I want to go to the big 41 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: leagues or I want to play for Alabama or whatever 42 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: the case is. Um, you have all those aspirations, which 43 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: are great. We should dream, we should work for our goals. 44 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: A lot of kids go on and play professional sports, 45 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: college sports, some don't. What I'm really fascinated is how 46 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: many doors And I speak from my own experience in 47 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: this is I played college baseball, and so many doors 48 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: from the professional realm opened up in business as a 49 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: result of my relationships and experience from being a collegiate athlete. 50 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: And what I want to ask use men, how did 51 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: you get to be where you're at now? You're a 52 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: young dude, you know, work your tail off, very talented, 53 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: but like, what was your path like that? Lad? You 54 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: ultimately to be you know where you're at now working 55 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: at part of my taking and barstool sports. What was 56 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: your youth journey about when it comes to athletics? Yeah, definitely, 57 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: And first off, I, along with pretty much every other 58 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: kid out there, had those dreams of I'm a Yankee fan. 59 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: I wanted to play for the Yankees, but of course 60 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: the odds that are very slim, but you can still 61 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: be involved and that's my goal and wanted to stay 62 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: in the sports business. So how it started was, obviously 63 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: I grow up watching a ton of games, and once 64 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: that dream kind of faded out of being a professional athlete, 65 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: you're obviously still going to watch sports every single day. Uh. 66 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: So with that, who were the people who are introduced 67 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: to immediately? It's the broadcasters. You have the play by play, 68 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: you have the analysts, you have a sideline reporter, and 69 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: if you're a sports fan at all, you are aware 70 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: that these people exist. So I thought to myself, Oh, 71 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: this is cool. Like you get to cool to really 72 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: cool places. You got to travel to these awesome cities 73 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: and kind of be a part of history too in 74 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: terms of if you're calling a big game and something 75 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: comes down to the wire, everyone remembers Vince Goli's call 76 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: for when Bill Buckner uh made that error? Right, Everyone 77 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: remembers every big call from every big game. So I thought, 78 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: this is really appealing. I should get into this business. 79 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: So it started when I I'm from South Florida. I 80 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: joined our high school newspaper. Eventually became the sports editor. 81 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: Uh covered our football and basketball teams and every other sport. 82 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: And then I thought, all right, I'm really enjoying this. 83 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: I want to stay in this field when I go 84 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: to college. So I applied to a bunch of schools, 85 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: one of them being Syracuse and specifically the new House 86 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: School of Communications, which is one of us not the 87 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: top schools out there for broadcasting. And I liked writing 88 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: like I did in high school for the newspaper, but 89 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: I think I wanted to make that jump to broadcasting. 90 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: And I saw the prestigious list of a lums that 91 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: went to Syracuse, A long list, but just to name some, 92 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: Mike Tarko, I an Eagle, Bob cost this. I feel 93 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: bad just naming more names to the I'm gonna feel bad. 94 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna at least some off. But there's a ton 95 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: out there, and I thought, okay, let's keep this going. 96 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: I went from South Florida to Syracuse, New York, which 97 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: is an interesting climate change to say the least. Yeah, exactly, 98 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: but anyway, it's just a ask forward. I want to Syracuse. 99 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: Four years there, got involved in student radio and television, 100 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: eventually called some games and got my first job out 101 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 1: of school as the University of Vermont played by played broadcaster. 102 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: I love doing that. College basketball is my favorite sports. 103 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: Was really cool to be part of a D one 104 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: team that went to the n c A Tournament and 105 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: be courtside for that, and then fast forward there and 106 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: I got this internship with part of my take and 107 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: here we are three years later. Amazing, man, you know 108 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: I'm here in the journey. I'm like, when did it 109 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: go off? And you like that I might have found 110 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: my passion, you know, like, when did you realize, like, 111 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Because listen, one of the biggest things 112 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: I like to talk about is you can't want it 113 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: for your kid, right, you can't want it more than 114 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: your kid wants it. There's there comes an element where, 115 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: you know, when you come to athletics or anything. If 116 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: I wanted more for my son, you know, then I'm 117 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: probably gonna have a bad experience as a parent with him. 118 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: He's gonna feel. You can't make someone do something that 119 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: that they don't want to do. When did you realize 120 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: that broadcasting this might be your passion and you're willing 121 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: to kind of go to any length, you know, to 122 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: to make that happen. Basically, when I was just saying 123 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: home every day and just talking in the TV like 124 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: I was calling the game, it just felt natural. Obviously 125 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: I was grooping around more often than not. But I 126 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: was just seeing what these guys were able to do 127 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: and thinking that, all right, I kind of studying by 128 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: just listening and watching them and thought, this is really 129 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: really appealing. Let's go try and make this happen. And 130 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: that's uh why I took that jump to Syracuse. And 131 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: it was kind of just natural, I guess, by the 132 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: act of sitting on my couch and watching games not 133 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: and stop, and just this opportunity or this career path 134 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: was staring in front of me every single time I 135 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: turned on the TV. I hear that, man, I hear 136 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: the word. And what I'm thinking of as you're doing 137 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: as your imagination, Man, you're kind of letting things go 138 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: because you know, one thing we talked about is is 139 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: you know the ability to be free and go and 140 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: go kind of be adventurous, right, you don't want your 141 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: parents hovering over it. Sounds like you had the space 142 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: to kind of be creative and unlocking that. Like, what 143 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: was it like when you got to Syracuse? I would 144 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: imagine you weren't the only dude you know, trying to 145 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: get to be the play by play guy, Like, did 146 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: you have to compete against others and kind of put 147 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: yourself out there. Oh yeah, it's very very intense that 148 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: the radios not like scary, just like, okay, there's a 149 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: lot of people. There's only so many people who can 150 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: call a game. So it really brings the best out 151 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: of you. It's kind of like a competition in some 152 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: sort because you are competing to get as many games 153 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: as possible. It's a big ladder to climb. There's a 154 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: w A. R is the name of the radio stations, 155 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: the historical student station. All the guys I mentioned earlier, 156 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: plus so many more went through there when they were 157 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: students there. But basically you have to go freshman year 158 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: and it's kind of like pledging a fraternity in a sense, 159 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: and that your first semester you have to go in 160 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: at five thirty in the morning and write mock sports. 161 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: Costs that you write and recording get critiqued by the 162 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: older students because once you're on the air for real, 163 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: you're going in at five thirty in the morning for 164 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: the real sports costs for the morning show and doing 165 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: hits like that. So it really brought the best out 166 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: in you, because if you're not ready to make some 167 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: sacrifices maybe lose some sleep, like maybe this isn't for you. 168 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: This this job and career has very unique hours. We 169 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: record part of my take until two am every football Sunday, 170 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: which again, yes it's late, but look what you're doing. 171 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: You're talking about sports, so it's really cool. Um. But yeah, 172 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: with with Syracuse, you go and make mock sports cost 173 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: and would kind of have this clearing process where you 174 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 1: can't go on the air until you make practice tapes. Uh. 175 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: Sometimes I would go to local like high school football 176 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: games and bring my phone, like I'm talking to you 177 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: right now, bring some headphones, sit in the top row 178 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: of the bleachers so I'm not annoying anybody, and literally 179 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: just called the game and listen back to that, and 180 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: that's how you get better. Sometimes I would listen. I'd 181 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: pull up full NFL games on YouTube, and although we 182 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 1: already know the results, I would still call a quarter 183 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: of those games just to get the x as and 184 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: oh is of oh Rogers steps back, throws it far 185 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: side to Davante Adams for the touchdown and things like that, 186 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: the nuts and bolts. It really helps. You're taking reps, 187 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: your repetition, like there's discipline required in that you know 188 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: people will listen or watch you know, social media, watch Twitter, 189 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: watch whatever it is, and see like all these guys 190 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: are just having a blast, Like they just go in 191 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: there scool around. It's like people don't realize what goes 192 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: on behind the scenes, how hard and diligent you are 193 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: and how professional you are, Like you don't just get 194 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: in front of a camera or you don't get on 195 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: the mic and it just magic comes out of your 196 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: mouth constantly. Like it takes work, it takes repetition. So 197 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: is there an element of discipline that you have to 198 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: stay structured and all those things that I would say 199 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: probably are comparative to that of an athlete. Yeah, I 200 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: think that's a great comparison. Right, if you want to 201 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: be an athlete, you can't to show up for the 202 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: games and expect to be better, Right, you have to 203 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: go to practice every single day. And uh, that's where 204 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: you get better when nobody's watching. So that's that's how 205 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: I approach this, So making the practice tapes, and honestly 206 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: I should be doing it more often. Still, just because 207 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: I'm not a student anymore doesn't mean I can't get better. 208 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: So that's not me. But anyways, Uh, yeah, That's how 209 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: I approached it. I just practicing and getting better. It's 210 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: impossible to get better unless you practice with anything, with 211 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: with playing sports, with calling sports, with literally any profession. 212 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: You can't just pop in front of the camera and talk. 213 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: It's a lot more than that. How much did social 214 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: media so, like, you know, I'm forty three years old 215 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: when I was your age and social media wasn't around. 216 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: But like, you know, what a tool and what an 217 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: opportunity it is. But was it advantageous to you? Like, 218 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: you know, is it the social media? Is it a 219 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: benefit or is it kind of one of those tools 220 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: that helps you go along? How how do you use 221 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: social media to your advantage? Yeah? I think social media 222 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: added a little bit of drive when I was following 223 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: all these broadcasters and journalists like in high school on 224 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: the early Twitter days, Um, it kind of came to 225 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: the picture a little clearer and seeing where these guys 226 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: were able to go and some them. I think Joe 227 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: Bucks has tweeted out what we call boards or charts 228 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: in the business, basically this giant if you want to 229 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: call it, a cheat sheet as every player's bio information stats, uh, 230 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: things like that, because you never know what direction a 231 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: game is going to go in. So I think just 232 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: seeing those things and being like, oh, this is interesting, 233 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: this is appealing. And then, like you said, you don't 234 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: have to wait for a quote unquote real opportunity to 235 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: call a game. I used to like, I said, well, 236 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: he needs a computer and a recording device. Everyone has 237 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: a phone these days. Just do that, send it to 238 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: someone you know in the business by making connections. Don't 239 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: be afraid to d M some people or email people. 240 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: I would definitely say the internet is your friend in 241 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: that sense because you have to start somewhere, so everyone 242 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: has the ability to even though it's a game that 243 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: already happened, or even video game. I used to do 244 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: it to myself playing Madden. Things like that can definitely 245 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: help you get off to a good start. How and 246 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: and the relationship piece of it, you know, um, just 247 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: like anything in sports, I talk a lot about recruiting it. 248 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: You know, one of the best ways to get noticed 249 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 1: is to is to knock down a coach's door, you know, 250 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: blow up his email, send them video. Uh, foster relationships, 251 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: never burn a bridge. I would imagine it's the same 252 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: thing for you, Like, how do those you know, the 253 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: relationships that you have, you know, kind of in the 254 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: trenches before you got to you know, bar stool. But 255 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: now even still does the relationship piece of your progression 256 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: in the business play a big role? Yeah? Absolutely. One 257 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: thing my dad always told me is it's not what 258 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's who you know. And obviously what you 259 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: know it's still very important. But relationships, especially in a 260 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: business like this where it is super competitive and there's 261 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: only so many spots, relationships are everything. Right. You have 262 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: everyone in the business trying to climb that louder I 263 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: mentioned and trying to get to the top because everyone 264 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: wants to call a Super Bowl or a Final four 265 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: or the NBA Finals, including myself. Right, But it's being 266 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: nice to people can go a very long way because 267 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: that helps keep those relationships alive. And I never know, 268 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: you never know where you would be just by being 269 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: nice and keeping relationships alive. Right. I got my first 270 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 1: job Vermont Basketball. Heard of the opening from a guy 271 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: in power, genner Off, who was in charge of What's 272 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: with One Sports. I interned for him my junior year. 273 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: He gave me a call after I graduated and told 274 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: me the job was opening. I kept in touch with 275 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: him I sent him an email every few months, and 276 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: that's what got me that job. That gave me a 277 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: little bit of credibility calling D one games out of school. 278 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: And when I get to part of my take there, 279 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: they see that and they say, oh, you went to Syracuse. 280 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: Oh you or a D one broadcaster that has the credibility. 281 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: So it's all kind of a domino effect and it 282 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: all is connected in some way. How did your I 283 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: think you mentioned your dad, Like how did the relationship 284 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: with yours? Like when you my second oldest son. His 285 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: dream is to do probably similar to what you're doing. 286 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: I mean, he wants to go to you know, we 287 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: live in North Carolina. He wants to go to either 288 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: Chapel Hill or one of these big schools and then 289 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: one day, you know, be able to to kind of 290 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: he want, you know, he wants to go on ESPN. Right, 291 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: that's it. I want to go on ESPN and be 292 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: a broadcast journalist or whatever the case is. So I'm 293 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: sitting here going and do go for it, like find 294 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: the path. So like, how how were your parents when 295 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: it came to helping you kind of uh managed you 296 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: know and go along where there were they super supportive 297 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: did they try to, you know, deter you from it? 298 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: How did that parents, because a lot of parents are 299 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: gonna hear this, and you know a lot of kids 300 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: may say, how I want to go on ESPN and 301 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: how do you manage that without being a dream or 302 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: keeping realistic expectations? Can you walk us through your experience? Yeah, 303 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: they were one in my corner, one supportive. It all 304 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: started with how I always dreamed of going to University 305 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: of Florida and spending four years in Gainesville. A bunch 306 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: of my cousins and friends went there and they told me, 307 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: you have free reigns to do whatever you want. You 308 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: want to go to Syracuse and continue to chase this, 309 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: do that. You want to go to Florida and complete 310 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: your childhood dream and study journalism and at a great 311 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: school as well. Do that. So they were fully supportive. 312 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: I fully made this decision on that on my own. 313 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: I'm very lucky that I have the ability to make 314 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: that decision. But yeah, it they've been in my corner 315 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: this whole time. Definitely wasn't a smooth ride, uh fully, 316 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: but it was. I'm very fortunate to have them on 317 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: my side. When we come back, Jake and I discuss 318 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: how rejection can help motivate you and why it's so 319 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: important to prioritize balance even in the relentless pursuit of 320 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: a goal. Where we left off, Jake and I were 321 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: about to talk about his continuous drive to just get 322 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: a little bit better every day and why it's important 323 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: to capitalize on every single opportunity. And that's one of 324 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: the things. Right, I'm so glad you brought it up, 325 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: But not a smooth ride? What what is a smooth ride? 326 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: Especially when you have ambitions, like failures are part of it. 327 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: And I know me as a father, it's like, you know, 328 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: it's tough to watch and I talk about this a lot, 329 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: but it's tough to watch your struggle. But at the 330 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: same time, you're not gonna get on the other side 331 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: of that and grow and get better unless you do 332 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: fall on your face. I mean, it's a terrible way 333 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: to put it, but it's true. So how to reject 334 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: And I would imagine this that I've been in sales 335 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: and marketing and such, you know, my entire career, and 336 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: and it's like the more knows you get, it leads 337 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: you closer to a yes. Like I believe in that 338 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: I've seen that work. So how was it getting used 339 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: to dealing with rejection? Because I'm sure you've seen so 340 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: many people I can dude, I don't want to do 341 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: this anymore. It's just I can't take the nose. How 342 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: many nose and such? How were you able to work 343 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: through that? Yeah, honestly, rejection is one of the major 344 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: parts of my story in this career in the last 345 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: last few years. But throughout college I knew if I 346 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: went to Florida, I would have my whole social theme 347 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: planned out because I had a bunch of uh, like 348 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: we're talking about earlier relationships and just like friend groups 349 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: that probably would have been established already. But I went 350 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: to Syracuse really not knowing anyone maybe you want or 351 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: two people, and all I wanted to do was, of course, 352 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: chased this broadcasting dream. But I also wanted to have 353 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: some fun in college to write, because who doesn't. So 354 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to get into fraternity and have an established 355 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: friend group and always something to do. And I rushed 356 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: the fraternity three times. It didn't work out any of them, 357 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: and it was really really tough because again that when 358 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: on the outside looking in, that seems like such a 359 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: poor part to some people's college experiences. And I know 360 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people listening maybe younger um, but I'm 361 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: sure they've heard of it at some point too. But 362 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: I was really depressed at that time. I was like, damn, yes, 363 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: I'm chasing this dream. I'm doing big things of broadcasting 364 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: but not really having fun on the outside. And I 365 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: think it's important to have that balance of social time 366 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: and work time, and I really wasn't getting that for 367 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 1: my first two two and a half years at Syracuse, 368 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: and I thought about transferring to Florida, where I know 369 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: I would have a lot of fun. But then I 370 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: think back to that decision I made in high school. Okay, 371 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: college is four years, but your career is forever, and 372 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,719 Speaker 1: I stuck it out and I couldn't have been happier 373 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: that I did. I found a group of friends, eventually 374 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: a couple of groups of friends through non broadcasting and 375 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 1: broadcasting side, and still keep in touch with all of them. 376 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: So without that sense of rejection, I don't know where 377 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: I would be, because, like you said, it really shines 378 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: a light and it helps add fuel, uh to everything 379 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: that you're doing. And in terms of broadcasting too, I 380 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: mentioned the clearing process. I didn't get clear until midway 381 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: through my junior year. So the first two and a 382 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: half years of college, nothing I was doing was on 383 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: the air. So that was really tough to swallow, but 384 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: I just kept going, you're only required to write those 385 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: sportscasts like once or twice a week. I would literally 386 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: go in all five days because I'm like, I can 387 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,719 Speaker 1: still somewhat control this timeline. I'm not waiting anymore, like, 388 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: let's get me on the air, Like, let's make this happen. 389 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: This is enough. I'm going to get better and I 390 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: can control that. So yeah, rejection and a social perspective 391 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: and a professional perspective has definitely helped shape me to 392 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: where I am. Now, how did you know when you 393 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 1: were I don't know if you were one years old 394 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: when you really you said after two and a half years, 395 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: you didn't say the word, but I heard. I'm like, 396 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: you revisited your why, Like you went back to why 397 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: you made that decision to not go to Like that's 398 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: a very mature that I have to do that at times, 399 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I'm I have to revisit and 400 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: I hear the highest level athletes and coaches and professionals 401 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 1: say they have to always go back and revisit their 402 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: why you know, I think that's such a critical point 403 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: because while we're doing, like while we're stumbling and facing 404 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,959 Speaker 1: the fire per se, it's like, you gotta remember what 405 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: you were doing. Did you write down your goals? Was 406 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: that something you did or would you just have them 407 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: lock barreled in your head and know to go back? 408 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: How did you know to do that? It's something that 409 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: was just in my mind every single day when I 410 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: woke up there, like when I made this decision to 411 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: come here, there was no turning back. I am going 412 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: to do everything in my power to reach this goal. 413 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: And of course that long term goal calling a Super 414 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: Bowl or Final four is obviously the ways away. The 415 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: ouds are still stacked against me. But I'd like to 416 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: think I'm I'm getting there, right, I'm getting closer to 417 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: day by day, and that's all you can do. It's 418 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: not something that you wake up and that it's just 419 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: gonna happen on the odtically. But it's a lot of steps. 420 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: And as long as you can go to sleep each 421 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: night thinking all right, I made point zero zero zero 422 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: zero one present progress, that's a step in the right direction. 423 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: That's all you can really ask for. Dude. This is 424 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: so on point because you know that everywhere you look, 425 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: you know so and so sitting to the bench and 426 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: they transferred. The transfer port are such a big, big 427 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: thing and it almost you know, and there's always a 428 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: time and a place for that. There there are times 429 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: and places where you know, the grass is better situation 430 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: on the other side, but the transfer porter gets a 431 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 1: bad repit times because it's like, I'm not getting my way. 432 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go somewhere path of least resistance. So 433 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 1: I think there's such a valuable lesson to see. It 434 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: doesn't just go from sports, it goes to life. And 435 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,959 Speaker 1: you're on that path right now. Like, what would you 436 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: say if you had a couple of minutes some advice 437 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: to these kids, because I mean, I think it translates 438 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: a lot of these kids want to go to D 439 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 1: one schools, right They want to go to Power fives. 440 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: They want to play, you know, in the biggest game, 441 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: in the biggest arena. They want to get million dollar contracts. 442 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: Were like you mentioned point zero zero, the odds of 443 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: that are so few and far tweet. But what's a 444 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: way how do you help these kids not only chase 445 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: their dreams, but realize like, like, hey, there are other 446 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: things out there. Keep your eyes open, foster these relationships 447 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: through this whole process, because you never know what doors 448 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: are going to open up. Can you give some advice 449 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,959 Speaker 1: to the kids out there? Yeah, for sure. And I 450 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: think it was actually Iron Eagle who once told a 451 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: group of us this when we were in school. Uh, 452 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: when it comes to broadcasting, just never say no to 453 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: an opportunity. Right. Everybody wants to call football, everybody wants 454 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: to call basketball, right, those are the two most popular sports. 455 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: But if an opportunity that comes up to call soccer 456 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: standing in the rain one day, you say yes, right, Because, 457 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: like we said earlier, it's a rep. I was a 458 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 1: big REP guy in college. The more reps, the better. Uh, 459 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: you cannot get better without taking those reps. So if 460 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: it means sacrificing a night of hanging out with your 461 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: friends to go down the road into a cold Syracuse 462 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: high school and call of football game, sometimes just do 463 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: it right because it's an opportune unity. And if you're 464 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: saying yes to those opportunities, you can get that point 465 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: zero zero zero one closer. If you say no, you're 466 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: missing out a little bit. And yes, there's obviously obligations 467 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: that uh make you not able to do some things. 468 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: But if you look at your schedule and you're like, 469 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: all right, I can do this, it helps. So I 470 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: think just taking advantage of every opportunity out there. Uh. 471 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: And again, it doesn't have to be a real game. 472 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: If you're a kid out there and you're dolm with 473 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: moone work and you have two hours until you eat dinner, 474 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: pull up a phone, pull up a computer, and you 475 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: don't have to do a ton of prep. If you're 476 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: a big football fan, but pull up former Super Bowl 477 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: where all the names are familiar, and that can just 478 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: help you practice and get better. Jake marsh I freaking 479 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: love it because kids, you can take this, parent you 480 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: could take this information. And I mean it all goes 481 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: in the same It's if you want to be successful, 482 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: you've got to be willing to do the things that 483 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: other people aren't willing to do. Jake, where can we 484 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: find you're on Twitter? Where can they find you got 485 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: a newsletter? What what do you got? Yeah? My Twitter 486 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: is at PMT sports Biz. From the part of My 487 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: Take podcasts. Uh, and if you want to shoot me 488 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: an email as well. It's a very busy time a 489 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: year for us with with football season, but um, if 490 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: I have some spare time, I'm happy to answer some questions. 491 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: You can either DM me on Twitter or marship Barstool 492 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: Sports as well. Jake Marsh, bro thank you so much 493 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: for taking the time. It was a pleasure man, and 494 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: good luck. Keep crushing. I know we're gonna hear you 495 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: call super Bowl one day, all right. Thank you so much. 496 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. That's Jake Marsh, sports business reporter and 497 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,479 Speaker 1: play by play broadcaster. Thanks for listening to the Reform 498 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: Sports Project podcast. I'm Nick Boncourt and our goal is 499 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: to restore a healthy balance and perspective in all areas 500 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 1: of sports through education and advocacy. For updates, please follow 501 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 1: us on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram, or check out our 502 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: website by searching for the Reform Sports Project