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Speaker 1: Cowboys Break. Another episode that it's that was supposed to
Speaker 1: be happening at a golf course today when the Cowboys
Speaker 1: host their annual golf tournament, but it is pouring in
Speaker 1: the DFW area, so that's kind of I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if there's gonna be a show happening later today or not.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a golf tournament later here, but there's
Speaker 1: still something that will happen over there with the media.
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, Jason Garrett, maybe a couple of
Speaker 1: players will talk. But in the meantime, welcome Brian brought
Speaker 1: us here in the show. We also have Danny McCray
Speaker 1: here with us. How are you doing? He? I like
Speaker 1: the there we go, there we go. Ready to talk
Speaker 1: some football, Yeah, of course, always that's life. Football is
Speaker 1: life all right, let's start with some questions and then
Speaker 1: we'll have about we'll get into some interesting stuff that
Speaker 1: you are doing here with the Cowboys in some camps
Speaker 1: that are gonna be happening in the near future. First
Speaker 1: of all, I wanted to talk about we're here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's okay. Wasn't your name mentioned in the intro? That's
Speaker 1: a great point. We got a special intro for you.
Speaker 1: Good point. Alright, has it been accurate in like the
Speaker 1: last three months, because we haven't all four been together,
Speaker 1: so I couldn't forget about that, all right? Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1: DeMarcus ware he's a guy that obviously has been very
Speaker 1: close with the Cowboys special even last year he came
Speaker 1: in a few times, helped DeMarcus Lawrence help the d
Speaker 1: line coaching stuff. He he talked about him wanting to
Speaker 1: be involved a little more this year and coming in
Speaker 1: a couple of days of weeks and instructing the teams,
Speaker 1: and one of the things that he said was how
Speaker 1: he feels that this team has what it takes basically
Speaker 1: to get it done this year. And that made me think.
Speaker 1: There have been several people that have come out this
Speaker 1: offseason mentioning or expressing that same feeling towards this twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen Cowboys team, and I wanted to get your insight. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I'm one, I'm one of the first to hate to
Speaker 1: start talking about Super Bowl this early in the year.
Speaker 1: But you've been here for many years, You've watched the teams,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to see, how does this team talent
Speaker 1: wise and mentality wise, feel any different from any of
Speaker 1: the other years. The difference for me is the other
Speaker 1: years that were Super Bowl contending teams, I think you
Speaker 1: felt a little bit more confident at the quarterback position
Speaker 1: with from an experienced standpoint, but I do think this
Speaker 1: is this is a really good football team. And I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people forget that part because it's like, well,
Speaker 1: they didn't draft him, or they lost here in the
Speaker 1: playoffs all that. But when you think about balanced teams,
Speaker 1: to have a really good running game, a good offensive line,
Speaker 1: probably great offensive line. They got playmaker receiver, got got
Speaker 1: veterans that are coming back into this like Frederick and Witton.
Speaker 1: Defense is young and fast and good. I think this
Speaker 1: is a really really good football team that came compete.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate this situation that we're in because my
Speaker 1: opinion doesn't matter. The ownership has kind of set the
Speaker 1: tone for what the expectations are by not renewing Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett's contract. That kind of says everything you need to
Speaker 1: say right there. This is a talented football team. They
Speaker 1: need to make the playoffs. They need to make a
Speaker 1: run in the playoffs probably for this to be considered
Speaker 1: a successful season. If that wasn't the case, Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: would probably have a new deal even go back. So
Speaker 1: I think most people would probably say even though the
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen Cowboys win thirteen and three, I think most
Speaker 1: fans would say the twenty fourteen team is the best
Speaker 1: team that they've had in recent memory, like in this
Speaker 1: iteration in the Jason Garrett era of the Cowboys. Is
Speaker 1: that fair to see? Yeah, you know, Dad's I would
Speaker 1: think the sixteen team. I think the sixteen team, to
Speaker 1: go to Nick's point, to win at Green Bay, to
Speaker 1: win at Pittsburgh with a rookie quarterback really good. But
Speaker 1: but I think people have more faith in the quarterback
Speaker 1: to pick things up when things weren't going well. I
Speaker 1: thought you were going the right path the way you
Speaker 1: were talking, well, let me, let me, let me when
Speaker 1: you started this out, I thought you were letting the
Speaker 1: right path. Let me continue down that path. Then I
Speaker 1: got distracted. Point being, I think most people would say
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen is the best team of Jason Garrett's tenure.
Speaker 1: Expectations for that team were not good. They were actually
Speaker 1: really bad. Like Jerry Jones, who's the eternal optimists, said
Speaker 1: before the season started, like we know we got an
Speaker 1: uphill battle, Like he basically was like, we might not
Speaker 1: be very good after years of getting his butt kicked
Speaker 1: predicting super well. And then you know, they're one debatable
Speaker 1: call away from the NFC Championship game, and I know
Speaker 1: Green Bay would have got the balling way shut up,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Point being is the expectations for this
Speaker 1: team are high and should be high. Like where's the
Speaker 1: flaw on this team? I guess the coaching staff? Oh,
Speaker 1: kind of like how I started this thing off. Well,
Speaker 1: now this is where No, this is because I'm not
Speaker 1: saying just because I'm a critical of Jason Garrett, but
Speaker 1: Nick just described and I think we all agree it
Speaker 1: is a very talented team. It's a very deep team.
Speaker 1: What do we know about Kellen Moore? That's the thing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's and when I talk about coaching, I'm
Speaker 1: not just trying to pile on Jason Garrett like I
Speaker 1: do every day. But I'm just trying to say, if
Speaker 1: we understand what Christopher Shard now, if if Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: has the same results that say that we had from
Speaker 1: Chris rah Shard, I think you'd have to be pretty
Speaker 1: happy this team might be on the way up. If
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore has as good as an impact as Christopher
Speaker 1: Shard did in his first year, this team should at
Speaker 1: least be playing now now Nicks Knicks analysis and your analysis.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Danny's gonna say the same thing about the team.
Speaker 1: The talent maybe won't. What is Danny gonna say? No'm
Speaker 1: saying it's interesting, but I'm gonna say this, though I
Speaker 1: thought you were going down the path, I don't know
Speaker 1: what Kellen Moore is. I have people tell me what
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore is, but I don't know what Kellen Moore is.
Speaker 1: He could come in here and he could work his
Speaker 1: magic just like christ Shard did. And this was a
Speaker 1: top ten defense, top ten scoring defense. You know, it's
Speaker 1: just till the bitter end they got run over by
Speaker 1: two teams that are really good offensively. But I think
Speaker 1: the biggest question about this team is not the talent
Speaker 1: or the quarterback or anybody else. It's the coaching staff.
Speaker 1: And came Kellen Moore, And let's let's be honest too,
Speaker 1: Mark Colombo, you know, halfway through the season, right coming in.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm interested. I think the thing that could
Speaker 1: hold this team back is if you if they're if
Speaker 1: they're they start off initially and Kellen Moore doesn't hit
Speaker 1: the ground running, then that talented team could very well
Speaker 1: have some problems. You know, we asked Danny to come
Speaker 1: on the show and talk a little bit about the
Speaker 1: camps and all of a sudden like we'll get to them.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like you know, I'm not one of those
Speaker 1: guys that likes to go Super Bowl, uh, you know
Speaker 1: before the season starts. So I think, yeah, right, I
Speaker 1: think the team is talented. I like what you said
Speaker 1: about the coaching staff, but I think that we have
Speaker 1: to understand that it's Kellen Moore and John Kittner that yeah,
Speaker 1: that or the question marks. And I played with John
Speaker 1: kitten so I do have faith in him to pick
Speaker 1: things up if it doesn't start well. For for Kellen
Speaker 1: and I think he saved the season. I mean he
Speaker 1: got he got Jason Garrett's job. Help. Yeah, five and
Speaker 1: three down the stretch, he got him his job. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, so yeah, I believe he can do it.
Speaker 1: And the questions only But you don't know Kellen Moore.
Speaker 1: I don't know Kellen Moore. But I know that I
Speaker 1: know the leader that Kittney is. Yeah, and I know
Speaker 1: that he will be in Kellen Moore's ear and there'll
Speaker 1: be he have a lot of imprints on that. On
Speaker 1: the offense. I don't give Danny enough credit for how
Speaker 1: old he is, Like, yeah, you did play with John Kittner,
Speaker 1: Damn man, that was ten years ago. You know one,
Speaker 1: I just made thirty one in March football not football football.
Speaker 1: But no, you know, are you just say what are you?
Speaker 1: What are you thinking about? Because to me, we always
Speaker 1: talk about the talent on this team. We all feel
Speaker 1: like they're doing the right things. I think, where are
Speaker 1: the questions? Where are the where are the true questions
Speaker 1: of this team? You think they could you think they
Speaker 1: would want to upgrade safety? We don't need to go
Speaker 1: down that questions. I got some questions for other than that.
Speaker 1: I mean Yeah, the rest of it is really on
Speaker 1: the coaching staff. It's like, look around, Okay, it's the NFL.
Speaker 1: Somebody that's supposed to be good is going to be bad,
Speaker 1: and somebody we're not talking about it's gonna be good.
Speaker 1: Happens every single year. But like looking around the NFC
Speaker 1: right now, you got to say, this is one of
Speaker 1: the five best rosters in the conference, Saints, and that's
Speaker 1: why the pressures on That's why the pressures on Jason Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I think that's to your point, absolutely, that's why they
Speaker 1: didn't extend him that That's exactly my points. The expectation
Speaker 1: has been set for me. I don't have to have
Speaker 1: my own expect When when we say coaching staff too,
Speaker 1: I think we need to point out that, I mean,
Speaker 1: there is a question about well there is in my mind.
Speaker 1: I don't know what other people think. I really like
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, but I don't about to pay him, I
Speaker 1: hope you know. But I'm saying, is the coaching staff
Speaker 1: better make him into the type of player that he
Speaker 1: needs to be. He can't just go out there and
Speaker 1: throw the ball around like like Drew Brees and Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: He's not that type of player. They've got to make
Speaker 1: sure he's the guy that's running flipping over, getting them
Speaker 1: third and five and getting those six yards and getting
Speaker 1: him on the move and making him be the type
Speaker 1: of player he can be if they're going to pay him.
Speaker 1: All that money goes back to Kellen Mortal goes back
Speaker 1: to the coaching staff. That's when I say coaching staff,
Speaker 1: they've got to put they got to be Dak friendly.
Speaker 1: Forget the other guys around there. They got to make
Speaker 1: sure that Dad can be the type of player he
Speaker 1: needs to be and that stand him in the pocket
Speaker 1: and make him throws. They're gonna lose games that way
Speaker 1: because there's coordinators that will outsmart the other team and
Speaker 1: then that the Cowboys by doing that. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: and it's very rare when you see that the talent
Speaker 1: is able to surpass everything that the coaching staff is
Speaker 1: about you. When you talk about the talent, there's there's
Speaker 1: very few cases where you have just a group that's
Speaker 1: so talented that they will just make it happens however
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, there's sometimes though, there will be talent
Speaker 1: that overcomes bad coaching. Right, There's sometimes that happens that
Speaker 1: no matter it's very rare. But if you do have
Speaker 1: the type of team that no matter you know, what
Speaker 1: situation the coaches put him in, the players will find
Speaker 1: a way to win. Ninety four could very well be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's not that's not that No, you're not,
Speaker 1: but you're being very honest. There will be people that
Speaker 1: give that those teams. That's those are Jimmy Johnson built teams.
Speaker 1: And they're saying despite Switzer's inability to really understand the
Speaker 1: pro game, that he benefit from a very talent into roster.
Speaker 1: What happens different that people can benefit around the area
Speaker 1: and have kids that want to be involved some camps
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys are going to be hosting. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: we have our camps coming up and then so these
Speaker 1: little guys that we coach will hopefully one day be
Speaker 1: some of the guys that are being talked about on
Speaker 1: this podcast. So we have three day camps starting June third,
Speaker 1: and they run all the way through August seventh and
Speaker 1: first through seventh grade. And we get these guys in
Speaker 1: here and they're coached by former NFL players, me being
Speaker 1: a former Cowboys player. And on the third day, we
Speaker 1: have a current Dallas cowboy player come out and speak
Speaker 1: to the kids. So we have great drills, great great teaching,
Speaker 1: great learning, learning experience for the kids, boys and girls,
Speaker 1: Boys and girls. We also do cheerleading camps, so those
Speaker 1: girls who want to come out and cheer for their
Speaker 1: brothers and their friends, we have that as well. And
Speaker 1: the boys and girls for football as well. Boys and
Speaker 1: girls for football, Boys and girls for chi leading. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is happening at the Star. Yeah, eight camps at
Speaker 1: the Star. We have four at the stadium and one
Speaker 1: at the Baylor Sports Performance Center which is directly next door.
Speaker 1: How'd you getting hooked up in this? I mean, I
Speaker 1: know you when what was your last year playing? Two
Speaker 1: years ago? Fifteen? He was a Benz watcher of TV. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: we'll bring him back to do Game of Throw. It's
Speaker 1: another time, right. We could talk about this all day. Um,
Speaker 1: So I retired, Well, I didn't get called back, and
Speaker 1: then I sit at home for a little bit, and
Speaker 1: I figured I need to go back to school. I
Speaker 1: get my NBA and I get my MBA, and I
Speaker 1: started applying for jobs. And I'm realizing that the football
Speaker 1: resume is a little it's a little shallow, it's a
Speaker 1: little didn't have enough stuff on there. So I apply
Speaker 1: for an internship to go work an office. They called me,
Speaker 1: they accept me, and I go there for six months
Speaker 1: and I learned a little bit of the ins and
Speaker 1: out sort of other corporate field of things. And I
Speaker 1: come back and I'm still sitting at home, like I
Speaker 1: have no idea what I want to do. I've done
Speaker 1: all this and I still have no idea. So I
Speaker 1: reach out to a few people here at the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and the rest is history. Danny went, kid, did you
Speaker 1: ever go to camps? Did you ever go to football camps? Went?
Speaker 1: I went to a few football camps. I'm from Houston, right,
Speaker 1: we're in Our football camps were at the middle school
Speaker 1: in high school. So it wasn't NFL players coming back
Speaker 1: our teams. It was our coaches saying, Hey, the campus
Speaker 1: at school and you need to be there. But you
Speaker 1: have a vision for your camps of what you want
Speaker 1: these kids to learn. I mean, your experienced only it's
Speaker 1: an NFL player, but your only experiences at camp. You
Speaker 1: want to make this fun for these kids, but you
Speaker 1: also want these kids to get something out of it though, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's really the whole idea. So we
Speaker 1: do drill skills and education for us. And so what
Speaker 1: we do is we want to one we their first
Speaker 1: dough seventh grade, right, so we want to make sure
Speaker 1: they're having fun. Right. Kids like to compete. They do
Speaker 1: like to compete. They want to compete, whether it's racing
Speaker 1: each other, they like to compete. So we put the
Speaker 1: competition aspect in it. We teach them a little bit
Speaker 1: about sleep and education and New Trician and then we
Speaker 1: let them get out there and compete for a flag
Speaker 1: football trophy that is a replica of a Super Bowl trophy.
Speaker 1: So they get photo ops and they get them on stage.
Speaker 1: And where was this for me? Yeah? Yeah, I could
Speaker 1: have done something with my life athletically. You know. Now,
Speaker 1: I doubt that we have many mothers listening to this.
Speaker 1: I don't know, But for those mothers and women that
Speaker 1: are concerned about kids playing football and the safety of
Speaker 1: their kids, how do you guys do this? Is it?
Speaker 1: What kind of football is it? How much contact is there? So?
Speaker 1: How safe are the kids to go out there and
Speaker 1: compete if it's a kid that hasn't done it before?
Speaker 1: So so one over, I believe like the last eight years.
Speaker 1: Flag football has become the biggest growing sport in the nation. Right,
Speaker 1: so the right parents are worried about the kids getting hurt,
Speaker 1: so they're starting to let them start off in flag
Speaker 1: football six man football, So we incorporate flag football and
Speaker 1: those type of drills into our camps. Our camps are
Speaker 1: non contact, so they won't be tackling each other, they
Speaker 1: won't be hitting each other, so there's no risk of
Speaker 1: that at our camps. Our skills also translate into it
Speaker 1: if you have a kid who just is interested in
Speaker 1: the football but not really sure if that's what they
Speaker 1: really want to do, and the soccer player, our drills
Speaker 1: translating into soccer, basketball. Pretty much any sport. You can
Speaker 1: get quicker, faster, and better any sport by coming our camps.
Speaker 1: But if you have like a big lineman that is
Speaker 1: a sophomore in high school and he's thinking I could
Speaker 1: go and play Division one football, there's camps for that.
Speaker 1: He needs to come. On May eighteenth, which is next Saturday,
Speaker 1: to our big man camp, we will have them so
Speaker 1: we will have former NFL alignment and defensive alignment out
Speaker 1: there coaching these guys and teaching them those little ins
Speaker 1: and outs like the markets where it wants to do.
Speaker 1: Here for the Cowboys, you go, So, how do people
Speaker 1: sign up for this? You can sign up, Well, you
Speaker 1: can go to Dallas Cowboys dot com slash Academy and
Speaker 1: you can find the schedule for all of our camps
Speaker 1: and you just sign them through that. Much what you
Speaker 1: played in the league for six years, six years, I
Speaker 1: assume these relationships are helping you out a lot. In
Speaker 1: this fact. Oh they are. I am able to get
Speaker 1: some of the guys that I played with the come
Speaker 1: out of these camps, and with me just retiring about
Speaker 1: two or three years ago, a lot of the kids
Speaker 1: are still recognizing some of the guys that I play with.
Speaker 1: There we go. It's exciting for them. Who better to
Speaker 1: learn from. Absolutely, Well, thank you so much for coming
Speaker 1: in today and telling us about this. I've been to
Speaker 1: one of the camps before it was hosted for like
Speaker 1: the Hispanic community, because I know they did that separate,
Speaker 1: but I think now they're just mixing it up. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what language you speak, just show up, do it.
Speaker 1: It's really fun. I saw the kids having a great time.
Speaker 1: So make sure you check it out if you have
Speaker 1: kids and sign up. Thank you, Danny, and good luck
Speaker 1: to you over there with all those kids running around.
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Speaker 1: Back to the break, Welcome back guys. The Collois Break.
Speaker 1: We talked about camps, we talked about coaching staff in
Speaker 1: the talent. Now I'll have another question. I know there
Speaker 1: are are a lot of people out there that don't
Speaker 1: really get to be around here obviously, and wonder about
Speaker 1: people's dynamic like relationships, the environment, the dynamic, the energy,
Speaker 1: the players being on the same track as long as
Speaker 1: with the coaching supporting Jason Garrett. How is that? Did
Speaker 1: they get upset? Is there some traction there happening? And
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about that whole locker room environment.
Speaker 1: Obviously we haven't had the chance to be in there
Speaker 1: this year yet, but it's happening soon. But we know
Speaker 1: most of the veteran guys it's pretty much the same.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about the dynamic around the locker
Speaker 1: rooms and the players and their relationship between the coaching staff.
Speaker 1: If you've got a social media account, you don't need
Speaker 1: me to tell you. I mean, the stuff this team
Speaker 1: does between itself is pretty unbelievable. I mean, they all
Speaker 1: went to Duke together, Like what was that a week
Speaker 1: two weeks ago, two weeks ago. Yeah, right, it's fret
Speaker 1: for the draft. It's and you know, Jason Garrett's got
Speaker 1: like a leadership council. It's like, I mean, it's it
Speaker 1: feels like it's like half the team. But I mean
Speaker 1: the team's you know, like I said, look anywhere on
Speaker 1: social media, the team, this team's leaders. Basically they're starters.
Speaker 1: They go everywhere together. They went. They all flew up
Speaker 1: to Duke together. They they went to a shooting range
Speaker 1: with like a Navy Seal team a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: You know, they went to Dirk Nowitzki's retirement. They they
Speaker 1: go to Stars games. They're all always here together. I mean,
Speaker 1: the whole team has been going through the offseason program.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it would be unrealistic to think
Speaker 1: that they're all just best friends all the time. But like,
Speaker 1: this team clearly has a very strong bond that you
Speaker 1: don't and they addy that often. And they added a
Speaker 1: guy back from the broadcast Spooth. Yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: big locker room guy, you know, with with I'll be
Speaker 1: interested to see twenty basically new names. If you think
Speaker 1: about this off season with the draft picks, the undrafted
Speaker 1: free agents, and then look at the guys they added
Speaker 1: in free agency on those one year deals. Think about
Speaker 1: that as your team as you're talking about building and
Speaker 1: going forward, twenty new personalities, you know, as we get
Speaker 1: ready for camp and so you're better have some guys.
Speaker 1: Is it really that many? Okay? Do you think about it?
Speaker 1: The got an eighth person draft class. As person draft class.
Speaker 1: How many they add in free in the free agency.
Speaker 1: You brought in Quinn or five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen,
Speaker 1: thirteen undrafted You're right, wow, yeah, you got undrafted, so
Speaker 1: you added twenty something bodies new bodies to this. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to you know, you don't want to write
Speaker 1: anybody off. But like the majority of the guys that
Speaker 1: are definitely gonna make the fifty three are not in
Speaker 1: their faces. It gonna be hard for these rookies to
Speaker 1: make this team. Yeah, this is a young team that
Speaker 1: was talented already, so I mean there will be I
Speaker 1: mean some undrafted guys are always are, and Brian's done.
Speaker 1: It's kind of report on all of them if concludes today.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's just gonna it's gonna be hard
Speaker 1: to make it. When you think about backup corners of
Speaker 1: that are already you know, Anthony Brown and Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not gonna be easy for a guy
Speaker 1: to come in and be better than that. So but
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. It's a good thing to answer
Speaker 1: your question though, I mean from my perspective, I mean,
Speaker 1: this all sounds good, and the guys that are you know,
Speaker 1: having some some good you know, camaraderie right now, all great,
Speaker 1: but you know when the bullets start flying at the end,
Speaker 1: you know, and during the games and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff, who how do they how do they you
Speaker 1: know act then? You know? Or is there a finger
Speaker 1: pointing and stuff like that? Like it all sounds good
Speaker 1: now and I think it's it's going well, but when
Speaker 1: it really goes gets down to it, you know, this
Speaker 1: team's got to be able to to you know, handle
Speaker 1: adversity on the field and stuff like that. They didn't
Speaker 1: do a good job with it in the Rams game,
Speaker 1: and there's been times this year when that didn't happen.
Speaker 1: So this is good. It's a good start, but I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, you know, the end result obviously is the
Speaker 1: biggest thing. You're absolutely right, and no two teams are
Speaker 1: the same. But this team was staring at three and
Speaker 1: five and didn't do that. I mean, what's a bigger
Speaker 1: adversity than that. We thought the coaching staff was gone,
Speaker 1: definitely didn't think they were making the playoffs trade though
Speaker 1: it took Stevens, But that that's We're not that's relevant
Speaker 1: to this conversation. I'm just talking about the character of
Speaker 1: the locker room. Well, there were a few things that
Speaker 1: popped up with the Wide Receiver group. You know, you
Speaker 1: had like, oh, comments on maybe Alan Hearns made or
Speaker 1: Cole Beastley and things kind of you hear whispers around
Speaker 1: dude's gone right ro and and I know Alan Hearns,
Speaker 1: you know, he was vaguely critical of Scotland Han's offense,
Speaker 1: but like he wasn't a from Scott has gone as well.
Speaker 1: He wasn't a problem child by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 1: I mean, he made those comments after a game and
Speaker 1: then like three days later everybody bombarded him with follow
Speaker 1: ups and he was like, well, yeah, like I didn't
Speaker 1: mean it in a bad way. That's just what happened,
Speaker 1: you know, Like Alan Hearns is like like, do not
Speaker 1: confuse that guy with some sort of diva Like that's
Speaker 1: just the opposite of the case. So and we don't
Speaker 1: really have any deep right now. So which you know,
Speaker 1: to previous three years, you had several guys who I
Speaker 1: don't know it's not but who it's every year, this
Speaker 1: is what one thing I have noticed. You always think, oh,
Speaker 1: that was the hell of a drop. He knew exactly
Speaker 1: what he was doing. Well, no, no, I mean whatever,
Speaker 1: whether it's Taco Charlton, whether it's somebody else, I'll steal
Speaker 1: the words right out of Knick's mouth. I've done I've
Speaker 1: done this long enough to know that there will always
Speaker 1: be a guy. Yeah, there's like when one guy leaves,
Speaker 1: another guy replaces him. Maybe he's not happy with his contract,
Speaker 1: maybe he's not happy with his playing time, maybe he's
Speaker 1: not what happy, but not happy about with the narrative
Speaker 1: in the media about him. There will always be that guy. Ratliff,
Speaker 1: that guy became that guy. DeMarco Murray was that guy
Speaker 1: for a while. But there's always there's always that guy,
Speaker 1: and he'll be there in twenty nineteen. But and that's
Speaker 1: my point. You know, great they go to they're going
Speaker 1: to duke together. That's awesome. It doesn't necessarily mean anything.
Speaker 1: But I still think the character of this locker is
Speaker 1: incredibly strong and the important factors of it are not
Speaker 1: going anywhere. I mean, you mentioned you mentioned Marie Cooper trade.
Speaker 1: I think Marie Cooper is great for this locker room.
Speaker 1: Zeke and Dak have taken ownership of it in a
Speaker 1: way that I wasn't sure was possible. I was actually
Speaker 1: writing about that yesterday. I remember talking to him in December,
Speaker 1: no Zeke, and he was like, well, you know, it's
Speaker 1: not like I set out to become this leader, but
Speaker 1: like guys like Witt and Dez leave and you don't
Speaker 1: really have a choice. And I know Jason Witten's back,
Speaker 1: but I think the steps that Zeke has taken to
Speaker 1: take ownership of this team are you know, he's not
Speaker 1: taken a backseat to Jason Witten just because Jason Witten's back.
Speaker 1: I don't think could a Marie's contract be something that
Speaker 1: gets in the way of this locker room? You know, well,
Speaker 1: I was about to say this before you said that.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm so glad the laws contract got
Speaker 1: done because I could see that was going down that
Speaker 1: path because why wasn't it get done and he was
Speaker 1: holding off on doing the surgery and that wasn't looking good.
Speaker 1: And then there's going to start to be columns written
Speaker 1: about him, and then let's see how he reacts, because
Speaker 1: that's what happens these guys who react to media. You know,
Speaker 1: that's critical. So we'll see what happens with a Maori.
Speaker 1: But I don't I don't think it'll get to that
Speaker 1: point for a while here. I mean I think that
Speaker 1: he's gonna I think the contract will be done before
Speaker 1: the before the start of the season. Honestly, I just
Speaker 1: Dax or a Maris. I think, as I think Mari
Speaker 1: has to get done that you don't make the trade
Speaker 1: if you're not going to sign huntil long term. He
Speaker 1: kept saying he's twenty four. He's twenty four, Well you
Speaker 1: better signed him then, So that's gonna happen. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's a I don't know if there's a standoff
Speaker 1: here or not. I don't think it's Also, I gotta
Speaker 1: see that in Amari Cooper's temperament to believe it, Like
Speaker 1: that's just that's not his style. Even what you went
Speaker 1: to the Mudbug bash two weeks ago and he was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not really worried about it because like they've gone
Speaker 1: out of their way to make it known that they
Speaker 1: intend on paying me. So like, I just assume it's
Speaker 1: gonna get done, Like he didn't sound disgruntled two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: And I would have to assume that it goes a
Speaker 1: lot further than it is right now. Before he would
Speaker 1: get disgruntled. I think I think these reports were hearing
Speaker 1: about premature, like disappointment and offers being high and all.
Speaker 1: I think that's way way, you know, again premature, and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have seen this before because I remember, wait,
Speaker 1: this is a different era, but still Tony Romo was
Speaker 1: when he had about ten good games in two thousand
Speaker 1: and six, and then now he's the starter two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven, So he's only he just kind of came
Speaker 1: out of nowhere and his initial offered on his new
Speaker 1: deal was higher than what Peyton Manning was making right then,
Speaker 1: and Peyton Manning had just won the Super Bowl, and
Speaker 1: so you know, the Cowboys like, okay, that's where we
Speaker 1: start and this is it and then they find a
Speaker 1: middle grown So yeah, his agent might just be saying
Speaker 1: he can find some way in the numbers to say
Speaker 1: he is better than Julio Jones or Antonio Brown or
Speaker 1: who is the highest paid receiver. Uh it's back up now,
Speaker 1: isn't that probably gonna be Julio? I mean he asked
Speaker 1: what they're talking about. Yeah, but I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: he's up in there and the top five to eight,
Speaker 1: I think, and he'll get paid that way. I think
Speaker 1: so too. In personality wise, he doesn't seem like one
Speaker 1: that would have made any problem. No, no, but that
Speaker 1: exactly I think about I think we kind of really
Speaker 1: you think, well, that's kind of what we said. I mean,
Speaker 1: those guys do develop. I don't think he's not gonna
Speaker 1: I don't think Himar's going to develop into that. I
Speaker 1: would have to see it to believe it. It just
Speaker 1: hasn't hasn't been even. I mean, you know, even in Oakland,
Speaker 1: when things weren't going well for him, you weren't reading
Speaker 1: or hearing a ton about Sure, but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Though they came to the point there where they made
Speaker 1: the trade. You know, we didn't hear about anything, but
Speaker 1: they did make the trade. I think Oakland, I mean,
Speaker 1: they did the same thing with Khalil Mack too, Like
Speaker 1: I think that's I think you heard more from Mac
Speaker 1: than you did from but you didn't even Khalil Mack
Speaker 1: didn't make a stink either. He just didn't report, which
Speaker 1: players do that all the time. And I think the
Speaker 1: whole Cooper thing was we've heard, well, he doesn't love football.
Speaker 1: People say that about he loves football. People say that
Speaker 1: about guys that that aren't or quiet, Yeah, that are quiet,
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't love football just because he's not ray
Speaker 1: Lewis rah Raw until something, I mean until something happens
Speaker 1: to change my mind. I think that's just more about
Speaker 1: John Gruden trying to get his guys. Sure. I hope
Speaker 1: the other two contracts don't become an issue though, and
Speaker 1: I don't think they will. But you talked about the leaders, right,
Speaker 1: is that you know Zeke and Deck and then those
Speaker 1: two guys do need contracts. So if it if it
Speaker 1: does drag out there and then those guys have to
Speaker 1: make decisions that are smart for them, that's where it
Speaker 1: could be an issue. Hopefully none of that happens. It's
Speaker 1: a lot to consider. Stephen Jones said last week, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, Zeke is the straw that stirs our drink.
Speaker 1: He called him a priority to resign. He also said, well,
Speaker 1: maybe we're not talking about it as much because we've
Speaker 1: got two years to get it done. I wonder if
Speaker 1: Zeke here's that and he's like, do you do you
Speaker 1: let me let me just say this. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, before anybody freaks out, it's just me think
Speaker 1: on my show, there's you know the Cowboys are open
Speaker 1: for business. If people want to come talk about these contracts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't get that, you know, because I said, I
Speaker 1: asked a couple of guys that said, well, is there
Speaker 1: now a priority? Is it? Dak? Is it? How's you?
Speaker 1: How do you? And they're like, nah, you want to
Speaker 1: come in? You know the music's playing. Don't get left
Speaker 1: without a chair, you know, don't don't. Don't be the guy.
Speaker 1: You know, if you if you're gonna be the last
Speaker 1: one in, then you might not get all the money
Speaker 1: you absolutely want. But it sound like to me they've
Speaker 1: got the open sign and they're ready. If if these
Speaker 1: if these agents want to deal with him right now.
Speaker 1: I mean they proved that they're willing to deal with you.
Speaker 1: They did it with with Lawrence and just things. Don't
Speaker 1: be the last guy waiting for a chair before the roster, Yeah,
Speaker 1: before the roster goes down to fifty three. I just
Speaker 1: think we're gonna be covering one to two more extensions.
Speaker 1: That's how That's why I think getting on the plane
Speaker 1: that twenty fifth of July, there'll probably be something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there'll be one more scrambling around packing a pack in
Speaker 1: the box. Now Zike has done absolutely everything that you
Speaker 1: can think of or dream of about a play or
Speaker 1: what you would want to look at it. Everything he's
Speaker 1: done this offseason, he's been on the headlines. I knew
Speaker 1: everything has been about goods stuff. The only one that
Speaker 1: popped up, yes, knock on wood. The only one was like,
Speaker 1: well is he fat? Now? Look at him? He shut
Speaker 1: that up really quick, showing a picture of himself but
Speaker 1: his position himself better than anybody. And I could not
Speaker 1: imagine how this would go further than a year from now.
Speaker 1: I do not envy them for having to figure this
Speaker 1: out because arguably the best running back in football, who
Speaker 1: deserves a pay raise, one of the ten best receivers
Speaker 1: in football, who needs more years on his contract, and
Speaker 1: maybe not. You know, there's an argument on Twitter this morning. No,
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott's not one of the five best quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the NFL, but he is a quarterback capable of getting
Speaker 1: you three winning records and two playoff appearances, and he
Speaker 1: needs more years on his contract too. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know how you figure that out. Anything I could
Speaker 1: question you, guess that's typically what you do if you
Speaker 1: were if you're the front off this and you're doing
Speaker 1: these contracts, would you worry about what you talked about
Speaker 1: in the first segment of the coach's job hanging in
Speaker 1: the balance that if you're extending guys that some coach
Speaker 1: might not want. I'm not saying a coach wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to coach Zeke, but maybe he doesn't feel as good
Speaker 1: about Dak. Yeah, well then he then he can't get
Speaker 1: an He wouldn't he wouldn't get this job, wouldn't get
Speaker 1: this job. Jerry's like, you love Dak? Right, Well, okay, thanks,
Speaker 1: you know we tried see you later. Okay. Do you
Speaker 1: do you limit yourself to maybe the type of coach
Speaker 1: you're gonna get? That that's true? You know, do you
Speaker 1: go back? You put your do you honestly that you have?
Speaker 1: You put yourself hand yourself in a corner. Having Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott makes me feel better about the coach that I
Speaker 1: would get because that's the way this league is going.
Speaker 1: The coach that wants Dak Prescott is the coach that
Speaker 1: understands how to run that type of offense. Like Cliff
Speaker 1: Kingsbury could design an offense for Dak Prescott. And maybe
Speaker 1: that's a bad example because we don't know how good
Speaker 1: he is yet, or Sean McVay maybe you know, maybe
Speaker 1: Sean McVay, maybe Dak's not his ideal quarter, but like
Speaker 1: he can't design plays for Dak. Oh, and I think
Speaker 1: I can't get this. I think I know where Brian's
Speaker 1: really going here, but I don't know ahead Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't really want to say it, but let's say
Speaker 1: there's a coach for another team right now, that that's
Speaker 1: a really successful coach from another team that's won super
Speaker 1: Bowls and stuff like that, that maybe it's been listening trouble. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, but but maybe that he wouldn't be
Speaker 1: Dack's top product. Anybody if you're if you're it's easy,
Speaker 1: I think, to extend the defensive guys because you kind
Speaker 1: of could you know, you can you can either three
Speaker 1: four or fourth three. You can work with that stuff.
Speaker 1: Tell that's a John Gruden. He just shipped off the
Speaker 1: best pass rusher in the league. Sure. Oh no, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to pay him though, that was his deal.
Speaker 1: That's pretty much how the league works. So I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, though, if you're a front office, would
Speaker 1: you you know, now you're and again, people, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's adapting to Zeke because I think Zeke can
Speaker 1: adapt anything you want to do. It's Dak that I
Speaker 1: would worry about if I was paying him thirty million dollars.
Speaker 1: And you saw, you saw what happened the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 1: Did you coach to walked in there and said, listen,
Speaker 1: you picked that guy in the top ten. I can't
Speaker 1: play with him. Can't play with that cat. Gotta have
Speaker 1: my own cat. What do we do? We use the
Speaker 1: first overall pick for a quarterback that nobody really is
Speaker 1: like totally in love with. But again, I said, if
Speaker 1: you're a good enough coach. I think if you fin
Speaker 1: yourself a good enough coach, you can make it happen
Speaker 1: with a player like Dak Prescott. In him, You've seen
Speaker 1: make plays. You just needed a coaching better. Hey, Ambar,
Speaker 1: I'd like to hire you for this job as a
Speaker 1: head coach to Dallas Cowboys. It comes with a couple parameters.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hire your defensive coaching staff for you, and
Speaker 1: I'm also going to make you play with Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: You interested? Yes, quarterback? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah that work? Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go sign Okay, I don't see the problem. Okay,
Speaker 1: Nick's right, that's gonna be the first question, and are
Speaker 1: you going to limit yourself again? We saw a coach
Speaker 1: who had a not a successful college record get a
Speaker 1: head coaching job and come in and completely change the
Speaker 1: direction of a franchise firmly, I said, firmly on the
Speaker 1: on the Draft show, like that's on Arizona's GM, And
Speaker 1: I'm confused as to why that guy. What that changed
Speaker 1: the direction? Cowboys didn't just spend a top ten pick
Speaker 1: on a quarterback. They've got their guy like they did.
Speaker 1: Think that schizophrenia is what that is, is to put
Speaker 1: a defensive coach in charge of drafting a top ten quarterback,
Speaker 1: fire him a year later, and then completely reverse course
Speaker 1: like they don't know what they're doing. And maybe they're
Speaker 1: going in the right way. Right now, we'll see how
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is. This team has designed its roster a
Speaker 1: certain way. And like I said, in this day and age,
Speaker 1: where Kyler Murray's going number one overall, you can't find
Speaker 1: a good coach who can coach Dak Prescott. Would you
Speaker 1: get the best coach if you've just joined us. In
Speaker 1: the last ten minutes, and you know, Jason Garrett has
Speaker 1: not been fired. Seriously, you just joined it and you
Speaker 1: listened about the new coach and stuff like that, like no, no,
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett. Jason Garrett cut his teeth with Tony Romo
Speaker 1: and Scott Linahan, spanned a healthy chunk of his career
Speaker 1: with Matt Stafford, who are completely different quarterbacks than Dak,
Speaker 1: and they made it work well enough to have three
Speaker 1: straight winning seasons and go to the playoffs twice working
Speaker 1: with a guy that maybe wasn't what they really wanted
Speaker 1: to be working with. And even despite all the complaints
Speaker 1: about how much the offense needed to be changed, they
Speaker 1: still went to the playoffs twice and won a playoff game.
Speaker 1: That's a good points. You can't go find a guy
Speaker 1: who knows how to work with this type of quarterback.
Speaker 1: I don't believe you don't trust on your own coaching
Speaker 1: abilities if you're a coach, which Nick Nick I'll I
Speaker 1: reluctant team. Why couldn't they? You said, schizophrenia. Why couldn't
Speaker 1: the guy then in Arizona play with that quarterback? He
Speaker 1: probably could have? Why why couldn't he He probably could
Speaker 1: could have, but he saw an opportunity to get a
Speaker 1: guy whose tailor made for what he wants to do.
Speaker 1: And he says, why did you bring me here if
Speaker 1: not to help me out? Well, they brought him here
Speaker 1: just try and get the quarterback they drafted. He was hired.
Speaker 1: Do you know that? Oh? I have an idea. Sure.
Speaker 1: I mean he was hired before Murray. He was hired
Speaker 1: on December thirty. First, he was hired way before Mary.
Speaker 1: He was hired because Pat Mahomes went crazy in the
Speaker 1: NFL absolutely, and so it's like, you know, if you can,
Speaker 1: you can recruit that guy. And his best friend is
Speaker 1: widely considered the best young coach in the league. Mcvasho.
Speaker 1: They're buddies. You know. I hate not being able to
Speaker 1: know whether or not we've seen Dak reach his full
Speaker 1: potential or not, you know, because that's what gives us
Speaker 1: something to talk to him now. Three years Huh, why
Speaker 1: why do you act like that bothers you? No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying everybody's kind of your face. I am listener. Well,
Speaker 1: let's say this about it. I mean, he was a
Speaker 1: late fourth round pick and so he's been way better
Speaker 1: than people thought. So I think you got to give
Speaker 1: somebodies credit here, there's definitely credit there. Let's go through
Speaker 1: all the top ten picks who were like completely polished
Speaker 1: products after three years. Mahomes, Oh yeah, great, awesome. Mahomes
Speaker 1: is a beast. Sure name the other ones because Tom
Speaker 1: Brady was pretty good. I'll have a break to discuss them. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: cool break, Yeah, we'll have it break. Thank you, Nick.
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Speaker 1: conversation during the break. We were able to come up
Speaker 1: with five names are not. The thing I just want
Speaker 1: people to know is that Brian does this on purpose.
Speaker 1: It's not true, David, he loves, he loves, loves. He
Speaker 1: has some interesting, maybe controversial question I got some questions
Speaker 1: for your cats. All right, you ready for this first one? Guys? Yeah,
Speaker 1: who's the one player that you'd like to throw a
Speaker 1: lifeline too? Can you elaborate what you mean by that?
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not being a smart but like what
Speaker 1: you're playing, a game will trouble on the shrost or
Speaker 1: maybe you know, is there a player you had you'd
Speaker 1: like to throw a lifeline too? Did he make sure
Speaker 1: that he's still around? He's he looks like he could
Speaker 1: be drowning. Yeah, looks like he could be drowning. This
Speaker 1: is a movie or the final round of Who Wants
Speaker 1: to Be a Man to be a Millionaire? Life? Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh life. I was thinking like I was thinking like Jaws,
Speaker 1: like lifeline. You want to throw a lifeline too? Oh?
Speaker 1: Que up the drop do it? I was thinking that too.
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, I think he needs a lifeline.
Speaker 1: Brandon Carr, I'm not ready. I'm I'm play all the
Speaker 1: drops here. Maybe I'm maybe I'm being naive. I'm not
Speaker 1: ready to think that a first round pick is in
Speaker 1: danger heading into his third year. And I know that
Speaker 1: the defensive line depth chart is pretty loaded jokes, but
Speaker 1: what happened last year it was very concerning. I mean
Speaker 1: the fact that he didn't have was healthy point and
Speaker 1: was still not playing. This is to make the team, yea,
Speaker 1: And I will Will McClay, you know, Mlle McClay did
Speaker 1: his media tour, he came on our show, he did
Speaker 1: all the media in the DFW area after the draft.
Speaker 1: But he said, you know, he was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I want Tacco to go out there and compete and
Speaker 1: you know, prove that he deserves to be on the roster.
Speaker 1: But we're not going to hold the train for anybody,
Speaker 1: which that's a telling quote. I'll throw one out to
Speaker 1: that tight end he can he can rebound it. Rico. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean why not. Oh did you guys have a
Speaker 1: how about that? No, we didn't ask no, no, but
Speaker 1: would have been good. Yeah, that's a good that's a um. Oh.
Speaker 1: How about my guy Jordan Jordan Lewis. Yeah, may, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just that's just selfish on my part because I
Speaker 1: like him. I mean, Jordan Lewis was a guy I
Speaker 1: was thinking of. Yeah, I mean, I know you guys
Speaker 1: are ever seeing a taco and stuff and I kind
Speaker 1: of think, I know what taco is, you know, because
Speaker 1: I kind of saw that at Michigan. So you're writing
Speaker 1: him off. I saw Late Bloomer in Michigan. The other
Speaker 1: player at Michigan was a better player. Jordan Lewis a
Speaker 1: better player, and Jordan Lewis, for eight snaps against the
Speaker 1: Saints proved to me that some way, somehow he needs
Speaker 1: to find a way on the field if he can.
Speaker 1: That's a guy would throw a lifeline too, because I
Speaker 1: think people once again are going to go into the
Speaker 1: season not maybe not in this room. I know you
Speaker 1: like Jordan Lewis. Yeah, yeah, But I think that that
Speaker 1: was the direction I was. I just submitted the answer.
Speaker 1: Or he's in a screwy situation because they're gonna they're
Speaker 1: gonna take the field for the first practice in Oxnard
Speaker 1: and he's gonna look like me with all the other
Speaker 1: corners that they have, which is to say he's short,
Speaker 1: um and I just I wonder how he fits in
Speaker 1: what Richard wants to do. He'll be taught, but where
Speaker 1: if you have the talent, you have it and it'll
Speaker 1: it'll come out there on the field. I just like
Speaker 1: that you answered it. Usually you throw out these questions
Speaker 1: that one about to how about this one? Could Sean
Speaker 1: Lee outplay Layton Vanderish or Jalen Smith this year? What
Speaker 1: kind of question is that at his new position? Just
Speaker 1: can he outplay? Can he can he? Can he force
Speaker 1: his way? I mean, he's they're talking. I talked to
Speaker 1: Rod Murnelli. He says he's gonna play him at SAM linebacker,
Speaker 1: But could could it be instead of having a limited role,
Speaker 1: could he outplay Jalen or vander Esh and get his
Speaker 1: starting role back as as a SAM or assume as
Speaker 1: a will or the mic and the fact that they're
Speaker 1: moving him to Sam suggests no, because if they thought
Speaker 1: that that was a realistic possibility, wouldn't they just have
Speaker 1: a competition for the will job. Keep an eye on that, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't think it would get to that. I think
Speaker 1: he will definitely be able to contribute on the field
Speaker 1: and make some plays and stuff. But as far as
Speaker 1: I'll playing those two guys, I don't think so. I
Speaker 1: don't need to. I think I think these are your
Speaker 1: two guys that are you know, young, fast, strong, ready
Speaker 1: to go durable. No, his his instincts are gonna try
Speaker 1: to get myself in trouble with the locker room here.
Speaker 1: But his instincts, I mean, his instincts will give him
Speaker 1: a hell of a leg up, you know. And have
Speaker 1: you seen him lately, Yeah, it looks good. He's very
Speaker 1: bulked up, ready to play Sam. But I just it's
Speaker 1: arguably the most physical position in football, and his competition
Speaker 1: is twenty two and twenty three. Yeah, so that gives
Speaker 1: me pause. So I don't think so. But I mean
Speaker 1: I'm not completely willing to bet against it. I think so,
Speaker 1: because if you I think he's gonna go out there
Speaker 1: and try and beat one of those guys out I
Speaker 1: think he'll play that. You know they're gonna playhim at
Speaker 1: all three spots probably or probably two of the spots,
Speaker 1: the Will and the and the Sam. But if he's think,
Speaker 1: if he's playing well enough and it's like, okay, well
Speaker 1: is he doing, maybe maybe he'd get a sophomore slump
Speaker 1: from Banderesh. I'm not predicting it, but what if what
Speaker 1: if he comes in the second year and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, Well you talk about the instincts and stuff,
Speaker 1: which I'll say what I said, but you're right about
Speaker 1: the health, Nick, that's a big question. He already had
Speaker 1: the whole retiring thing in his head. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: I mean, I talked about during this offseason that was
Speaker 1: a question, and obviously he decided to stay here. They
Speaker 1: reworked his contract, and he's healthy, he's doing well. But
Speaker 1: we know how the story goes. And when you start
Speaker 1: thinking that way, and I say that keeping in mind
Speaker 1: still the kind of passion that she only has for
Speaker 1: this game, that it's bigger than anyone I've ever met,
Speaker 1: I mean, this whole building or he said they reworked
Speaker 1: this contract. I mean Did they rework it or is
Speaker 1: it like one of those you know, fourth July car
Speaker 1: sales or they just slashed you know, yeah, rework sounds better.
Speaker 1: This is a problem when you're talking about quarterback. It's
Speaker 1: not a problem for linebacker. You're gonna need more than
Speaker 1: two to make it through the season. Three to play. Two.
Speaker 1: Feed Zeke or rest zeek. Feed Zeke. I'm allowed to
Speaker 1: whisper um feed him or arrest him. No, feed him
Speaker 1: on this three meals, but don't let him snack all day.
Speaker 1: He needs on the couch right feeling full. He doesn't
Speaker 1: eat all day long, but he eats three strong meals.
Speaker 1: And then when when you think about he needs a snack,
Speaker 1: then give the ball to Mike Wever or Tony Pollard.
Speaker 1: He needs a backup who's capable of playing every has
Speaker 1: that narrative changed in the year, but no, But I'm
Speaker 1: still like, I'm gonna think about it. But we're in
Speaker 1: a year we were all like, oh if god, you know, man,
Speaker 1: you're never gonna take him off to feel keep giving
Speaker 1: the ball, give him the ball, get it. Now we're
Speaker 1: at the point where it's like, man, we had better
Speaker 1: find somebody to back that up. Don't we. I still
Speaker 1: feel that way, like all things being equal, he should
Speaker 1: be out there because everyone has that feeling when Rod
Speaker 1: Smith would go in the game would be like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: not only that, but and they probably still will with
Speaker 1: whoever he's offered. Morris too, he's a warrior. But how
Speaker 1: how many games did it look like his ankle was
Speaker 1: dinged or his knee was ding Oh? He was not
Speaker 1: as quick as he had been in the past, right,
Speaker 1: and you need a guy who can viably shoulder some
Speaker 1: of that load. But I mean, if he's healthy and fresh,
Speaker 1: then I want him on the field. That's I didn't
Speaker 1: even hesitate feed him if he's healthy to be fed. Agree.
Speaker 1: I mean, poor guy. You see him coming off the
Speaker 1: field last year and you can just feel for him
Speaker 1: and how tired his again, amazing talent. He has so
Speaker 1: much power that he was still able to come back
Speaker 1: and play and keep going and keep going. But I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys can benefit a lot more if they
Speaker 1: have a going to be That's an interesting narrative with
Speaker 1: you know, and I said this already in the spring.
Speaker 1: It sounds great. Paul Pollard is your kind of do
Speaker 1: everything guy. He's he's got some real juice. He's a
Speaker 1: home run hitter, he's a receiver. And Webber, you know
Speaker 1: they had a higher grade on him than where they
Speaker 1: got him. Right in reality, they drafted Switzer in the
Speaker 1: fourth round and couldn't do anything with him. They traded
Speaker 1: for Tavon Austin, couldn't do anything with him, and Darius Jackson,
Speaker 1: who has six NFL carries to his name, was drafted
Speaker 1: higher than Mike Webber. So you can't tell me right
Speaker 1: now now that they definitely upgraded the position. Maybe they did.
Speaker 1: I hope they did. They think they did, but we'll see.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel. See Kellen Moore, let's see, speaking
Speaker 1: of Kellen Moore. First thing you're going to look for
Speaker 1: and Kellen Moore this year, honestly the first just move
Speaker 1: people around, priests like I miss I don't miss Lucky Whitehead,
Speaker 1: but I miss what he did. You know, I miss
Speaker 1: that element. I missed the missdirection like the Rams. You know,
Speaker 1: that was the last game we got to watch. And
Speaker 1: that's what stands out in your head is you know
Speaker 1: you set up C. J. Anderson all day and then
Speaker 1: when the game's on the line, you do the wide
Speaker 1: receiver into round to pick up the first down or
Speaker 1: the quarterback runs for the first down to kill the game.
Speaker 1: Give me that. That's the thing, and like that's something.
Speaker 1: What he's talking about is something you can see in
Speaker 1: training camp. What I'm talking about something we'll see in
Speaker 1: the first game, and that's Dak running the ball. We
Speaker 1: won't see it at any point in preseason and when
Speaker 1: we shouldn't, but I want to when it's there to
Speaker 1: run the ball and some of those misdirections where he
Speaker 1: you know, design reads for design runs for him. I
Speaker 1: just want to see him a little bit more with
Speaker 1: the ball, but we won't see that until we get
Speaker 1: to the season. So have fun, have fun. This is
Speaker 1: a young team, Yes, have fun, have fun, have fun
Speaker 1: on the field. Obviously being smart about it. By that
Speaker 1: what I mean by that ball is still fun. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's very fun. No, nothing about this fun fun. You
Speaker 1: have a young team. Just be creative, get out there,
Speaker 1: try different things. Obviously, you have enough time to get prepared,
Speaker 1: you have training camp, you have preseason to plan everything
Speaker 1: out when you go out there, don't keep that same
Speaker 1: old mentality that the team has kept for years. Just
Speaker 1: go out there, try new things and have fun. Because
Speaker 1: he will just happen. Don't be predictable. That's it. It
Speaker 1: sounds great. One year contract on the line. He's like,
Speaker 1: well we had fun, Yeah, we had fun getting fired. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Only one season I've covered would I describe as fun,
Speaker 1: And it was when they won eleven games in a row. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I say, don't like when you go out there by
Speaker 1: that what I'm trying to say, don't don't keep repeating
Speaker 1: the same play Everyone knew what was going to happen. Oh,
Speaker 1: here we go again, Here we go again. If you're
Speaker 1: having have fun with it, get creative, have fun with
Speaker 1: the playbook. Let's get creative here. Let's try new things
Speaker 1: and let's make some magic happen. I absolutely know what
Speaker 1: you meant. I just you know people, I mean, you
Speaker 1: know players later are like man, football stops being fun,
Speaker 1: like when you get to college, and it only gets
Speaker 1: less fun as you go. So, hey, if you did
Speaker 1: the same thing every day at your job, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be fun. I hear you right now. You try different things,
Speaker 1: then it keeps the job funs this front office going
Speaker 1: to regret not drafting a safety at the second round
Speaker 1: this year. That's tough because, like you know, one Thornhill's
Speaker 1: probably gonna make like this amazing play for the Chiefs
Speaker 1: at some point this season, pointed on Twitter. Why you
Speaker 1: know it happens every year? I mean, t J. Watton,
Speaker 1: Taco Charlton, everybody knows. But like, I don't know, are
Speaker 1: they are they not going to accomplish their goals this
Speaker 1: year because of what a safety drafted at fifty eight
Speaker 1: would be doing. It's it's possible, is of course it's possible.
Speaker 1: Layton vander Esh nobody thought he'd be a pro bowler,
Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't really think so. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, when when you think about Tyrone Crawford's contract
Speaker 1: and and Antoine Woods is going to be a new
Speaker 1: contract coming up, and and I you know, not having
Speaker 1: David Irving, I just think that was I mean, I again,
Speaker 1: I was all about wan Thorne Hill. But I know
Speaker 1: why they did or I think I know why they
Speaker 1: did that. So they want to just keep those defensive
Speaker 1: you know, those tacks. They had their choice of guys,
Speaker 1: So yeah, they really did. They had their choice. They
Speaker 1: they have just never put a high priority on safety
Speaker 1: like like we all have. They just haven't clearly right
Speaker 1: right and not I mean yeah, it's not the situation
Speaker 1: as it is is not good enough. But like I said,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I don't think wan Thorne
Speaker 1: Hill's gonna maybe be the difference. Maybe they think it,
Speaker 1: they will regret it. I don't think they would. Even
Speaker 1: if they do, they thinking Savior Woods has hung the moon,
Speaker 1: they could regret it on day five of training camp.
Speaker 1: They could regret it, and they'll never tell us. So
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. But they'll never tell us, just like
Speaker 1: they say, well, we don't need a number one receiver
Speaker 1: until they actually until they make a trade for the
Speaker 1: first round. Yeah. True, More likely a third quarterback or
Speaker 1: a fourth tight end. Oh that's a good question, um,
Speaker 1: because if you're talking about a team, it's extremely deep.
Speaker 1: Oh this is that getting down to the fifty third spot,
Speaker 1: four tight end or four third quarter, fourth tight end.
Speaker 1: I don't need a third quarterback anymore because Mike White
Speaker 1: is my backup. And if he's not my backup, he's
Speaker 1: not better than Cooper Rush, then I'm not I don't
Speaker 1: want him anymore. That's just me. Sorry. I don't think
Speaker 1: he got some You don't need three quarterbacks, not those three.
Speaker 1: That's tough because like these are not the are not
Speaker 1: black and white situations, like you're talking about the most
Speaker 1: important position in the game. And then a very special
Speaker 1: case in Rico gathers where like does his resume justify
Speaker 1: the roster spot? No, but does he have this undeniable
Speaker 1: talent that a lot of players don't? Then maybe does
Speaker 1: he have the favor of the general manager a little bit? Yes?
Speaker 1: So I don't know. That's tough. He still has it.
Speaker 1: That's why I mean, I'm working for false you don't
Speaker 1: think so. Yeah, I don't think he has it anymore.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't fill him the lifeline if you all right, well,
Speaker 1: in that case, then I'd say the third quarterback, these
Speaker 1: three or somebody else some accounts still out there floating around.
Speaker 1: You guys act like like, oh, no, I love Mike.
Speaker 1: If it's not my wife, you need one that's not
Speaker 1: one of them. I don't need them both. You guys
Speaker 1: act like you don't know this coaching staff, Like that's
Speaker 1: that's exactly the type of thing. I don't know the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. He's feels like I don't need these two.
Speaker 1: Then Garrett will be like, ah, Cooper's like me, we're
Speaker 1: keeping him. That's what he'll say, well, and Kellen's like, well,
Speaker 1: who do you think wins that battle for the backup job?
Speaker 1: Then between those two they want or they both just flame.
Speaker 1: They want Mike White too, but I think Cooper Rush
Speaker 1: will just no one did anything memorable. See that's what
Speaker 1: bothered me so much about Mike wa Know, you were
Speaker 1: this time last year and he was gonna take Cooper's job.
Speaker 1: And I absolutely believed it with my heart that he
Speaker 1: was gonna that he was going to be better. And
Speaker 1: and Cooper Rush played his way. He put Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: into coaching if you think about it. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he basically played, well, they okay, killing by, We're gonna
Speaker 1: make this guy the backup. That's why he's gotta need him. Well,
Speaker 1: Cooper Cooper Rush was I mean two years ago, he
Speaker 1: had one of the best preseasons of any quarterback in
Speaker 1: the league. Yeah, and so all of a sudden, now
Speaker 1: you know, but neither one of them played worth a
Speaker 1: damn in the preseason, and that I think that's why
Speaker 1: you had to keep two because they both were so
Speaker 1: just block. They got some badass undrafted offensive lineman this year,
Speaker 1: so maybe they can keep him upright and let us
Speaker 1: get Colombo did say that. He said, you know, these
Speaker 1: third and fourth quarters of these preseason games, Yeah, so showers.
Speaker 1: I just think they'll both be here, and maybe I'll
Speaker 1: be wrong. I'm wrong about a lot of stuff. So
Speaker 1: you're going with three tight ends? No, yeah, yeah, three
Speaker 1: tight ends. You said Rico, You threw him a right
Speaker 1: still until they cut cut Rico. I mean, I still
Speaker 1: think he'll be a part of it too, So I
Speaker 1: think he he'll have a shot. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: doubt it's gonna happen, but I would cut one of
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks and see the possibility of bringing someone else
Speaker 1: in as a backup with more experience. Quarterback, Yeah yeah, quarterback.
Speaker 1: Um as far as Rico, I mean, I thought that
Speaker 1: was over last year, but it wasn't. So you were
Speaker 1: not throwing him a lifeline. You were pushing his head
Speaker 1: under the water. I'm gonna limit my comments right now.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna do that too. We just have a show.
Speaker 1: Well the time. I don't probably regret what I was
Speaker 1: about to say, so I'm not gonna say it. Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you Brian for coming in the show and having
Speaker 1: all this fun questions. Nick, Thank you. David Hellman here
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