1 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you 4 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: hear from our studios at Lambeufield to talk Wes unfortunately 5 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: about the Packers heading into their bye week with a 6 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: home loss to the Detroit Lions. Twenty four to fourteen 7 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: was the final score at Lambeufield. But that score almost 8 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: doesn't even really mean anything in terms of how this 9 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: game was played. There was one team on Sunday that 10 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: made a bunch of mistakes, there was another team that didn't, 11 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: and who won and who lost was pretty obvious. 12 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Detroit Lions. As Matt Lfuller talked about afterwards, 13 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: this football team is very, very good and as a 14 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: lot of the guys mentioned in the locker room, when 15 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 2: you play a very talented team, a very complete team, 16 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: you have to play your best game. Green Bay did 17 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: not do that. When when we were talking about final 18 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: thoughts last week and Packer's preview and Keys to Victory, 19 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: my biggest thing was talking about how, hey, you got it. 20 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 2: You have to win in the red zone Packers did 21 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 2: that all right. You know, Lions went two for four 22 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: in the red zone. They outyardaged them one fifty, you know, 23 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: by one hundred and fifty yards. But when you have 24 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 2: a swing and that's what I kind of isolated an 25 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: insider inbox like they had at the end of the 26 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 2: first half into the second half, Packers giving up a 27 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: pick six offensively, the defense giving up a touchdown out 28 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 2: of the break that ultimately was the deciding factor in 29 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 2: this game, and a menagerie of penalties and drop passes 30 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: and you know, kind of missed opportunities. This was the 31 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: final result. I thought green Bay battled. I thought there 32 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: were a lot of positives to draw from in terms 33 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: of if you're going to play see them again next month, 34 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: things you can build off of. But at the end 35 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: of the day, Michael, the Detroit Lions, especially their offense, 36 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: are just so freaking efficient that if you don't break 37 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: their rhythm and then don't find some heavy punches on 38 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: the other side of things, you're gonna have an outcome 39 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 2: like this. It was twenty four to fourteen, but realistically 40 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: it was more twenty four to six, twenty four to three. Yeah, 41 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: and Green Bay just could not find that momentum to 42 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: be able to knock off really the front runner right 43 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: now in this conference. 44 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I think I think the Lions have established 45 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: themselves not only as the team to beat in the 46 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: NFC North, but really as the team to beat in 47 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: the entire NFC right now. And you mentioned sort of 48 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: having you know, throwing some punches to get back at them. 49 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: I thought the Packers did that in terms of getting 50 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: some explosive plays and generating some momentum at certain times. 51 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: But whether it was the penalties or the drop passes 52 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: or the other miscues, they just missed the opportunities that 53 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: they were creating for themselves. Because that the way that 54 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: first half in particular went, the explosive plays the Packers got, 55 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: and that was something I had talked about last week. 56 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: It was, you know, when the explosive play equation limit 57 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: the ones that Detroit got, which green Bay's defense I 58 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: thought did pretty well for Yeah, a juggernaut that was 59 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: averaging forty plus points a game over the past month, 60 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: and the Packers were getting their share, but then they 61 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: weren't cashing in on those and getting the points on 62 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: the board the way the first half went for the 63 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 1: Packers to only have three points, You're scratching your head, going, 64 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: how in the world are there are only three points 65 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: on the board with what the Packers were doing offensively, 66 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: And it was really frustrating in that regard. You said it. 67 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: The possessions that sandwiched halftime was really where this game swung. 68 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: The Packers defense gets a key stop in the red 69 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: zone laid in the first half, the Packers are using 70 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: their timeouts to save time for one more possession before halftime. 71 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: The Lions have to kick a field goal, so the 72 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: game is ten to three. But then Jordan Love tries 73 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: to do a little bit too much and Kirby Joseph 74 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: makes a great play, gets the pick six, and then, 75 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: as you said, the Lions come out a halftime then 76 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: getting the ball, they marched down the field for the 77 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: second time in the game, get a touchdown on fourth 78 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: down where they went forward on fourth down in the 79 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: red zone, and suddenly that ten to three game with 80 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: a minute to go in the first half is a 81 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: twenty four to three game. The next time, Jordan Love 82 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: and the offense get the ball back. So and that's 83 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: where kind of the game plan gets thrown out the 84 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: window you've got a hurry to score because you don't 85 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: know if your defense is going to be able to 86 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: just hold them at twenty four the rest of the game, 87 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: which the Packers defense did. But you can't just sit 88 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: there and take, you know, seven eight minutes off the 89 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: clock to try to score points in the second half 90 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: when you're down by twenty one. So the game plan 91 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: was out the window and and things went from there. 92 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: I do think this was a commendable effort by Green 93 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: Bay's defense, actually missing two of your starters in the 94 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: secondary j R. Alexander Evan Williams did not play. If 95 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: you had told me before the game that the Detroit 96 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: Lions were going to have two hundred and sixty one 97 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: yards and seventeen points on offense, I would have said, 98 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: the Packers are going to have a tremendous opportunity to 99 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: win this game. And I think the Packers did have 100 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: a tremendous opportunity to win this game. They just they 101 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: couldn't get a get out of their own way with 102 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: their own miscues. 103 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 2: No, it was in Josh Jacobs touched on this after 104 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 2: the game, and Xavier McKinney did as well. I mean, 105 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: there's been recurring habits, bad habits that green Bay has had, 106 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 2: and I felt like there's been times where they've gotten 107 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 2: away with it because they're the better football team. They 108 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: play better situationally, they make some clutch plays down the stretch, 109 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: the defense makes a stop, Brandon McManus makes a game 110 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: winning field goal. There's a reason why the Packers are 111 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: sitting on six wins heading into their bye week. But 112 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 2: at the same time, when you face a team like 113 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: Detroit who was also sitting on six wins entering this game, 114 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 2: there's so many things that the Lion do well. And defensively, 115 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: I still think there's a lot of holes. Certainly, you know, 116 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: they've reportedly added Zadarias Smith. That's going to help the 117 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 2: edge rush a little bit, but you know there's still 118 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: whatever the twentieth rank defense, they still there's yards to 119 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: be had out there. I thought green Bay ran the 120 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 2: ball really well against that front when they were able to, 121 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 2: when that's what the game was dictating, right. But the 122 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: challenge is is that Detroit. It almost felt like a 123 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,559 Speaker 2: high school football game where Detroit really locked in once 124 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: you got farther down the field and they just were 125 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 2: not green Bay was not able to cash in those 126 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: opportunities you have. Brian Branch gets a huge penalty in 127 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 2: game ejection after you feel like, Okay, this is going 128 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: to be that moment where green Bay is going to 129 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 2: be able to put some points on the board. They're 130 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 2: gonna be able to get some touchdown swing momentum in their favor. 131 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: They didn't. They didn't do it. Josh Jacobs breaks a 132 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: thirty seven yard run on his first carry on a series, 133 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,679 Speaker 2: green Bay can't turn it into a touchdown. Those type 134 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: of incidents are ultimately the lead in the yards on 135 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 2: the field, leaving the points on the field, and he 136 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 2: just can't do that against a team like the Detroit Lions. 137 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 2: And I'll say this too, and this is not any 138 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: disrespect at all that Jared Goff. They made the plays 139 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 2: they needed to make, They caught the football passes, the 140 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 2: footballs that they needed to do, the passes that they 141 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: needed to do. But the way they ran the ball 142 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: in how they avoid pre snap penalties and procedural penalties, 143 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: Goff's mo becomes very simple in terms of what they 144 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: want to accomplish and how they want to do it. 145 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: I gained an appreciation for that watching because you look 146 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: at a stat sheet. Mike and I don't get to 147 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: watch these teams every week. You're like, how is Jared 148 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: Goff completing twelve straight passes? How is he going these 149 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: games where there's two or three incompletions for an entire game. 150 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: And then you watch what they did in this game, 151 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 2: the way he's protected, in the way they're able to 152 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: set up their offense with favorable down and distance. I'm 153 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: telling you, man, this will be Ben Johnson's last year 154 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: with Jared Goff. That guy is going to be one 155 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: of the most highly sought after head coaching candidates I 156 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 2: can think of in the recent twenty first century at 157 00:07:58,200 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: the end of the season because of just how a 158 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 2: fish they've been and how well they execute their offense. 159 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and here's the thing. The way this game went 160 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:10,239 Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions, I mean the fourth and goal after 161 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: the off side another big mistake by the Packers. The 162 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: off side puts the ball in the two and a 163 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: half yard line instead of on the five, so they 164 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: go for it on fourth and goal. That was a 165 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: heck of a throw and catch Jared Goff, Aman Ross 166 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: Saint Brown. That's what those guys do. Fourth and one 167 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: in the third quarter from the fifteen yard line, Jeff 168 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: Hafley goes aggressive calls for the blitz. Unfortunately, two blitzing guys, 169 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: Cooper and McKinney, both blitz the same gap. Jamior Gibbs 170 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,719 Speaker 1: takes the handoff and cuts to the one gap that 171 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 1: there was no blitzer, and he basically waltz into the 172 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: end zone for a touchdown. But the Detroit because of 173 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: the mistakes the Packers were making. The Packers didn't make 174 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: the Lions make any great plays in order to win 175 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: this game. Right the way the game was going, the lineons, 176 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: you could feel it that the Lions were like, Okay, 177 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: these guys keep screwing up. They keep making mistakes. They're 178 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: they're you know, they're false starting, they're dropping passes, all 179 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. If we don't we don't have 180 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: to do anything great to win here today. We're going 181 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: to play our game. We're going to be mistake for you, 182 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: which they were, I mean, aside from aside from you know, 183 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: maybe the one, uh, the one mistake where Pinay Sewell 184 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: trips on his yeah, on his lineman's foot and so 185 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: Aaron Moseby gets a sack, and then I think they 186 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: had maybe one illegal shift on offense as far as 187 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: a pre snat penper right, but they were like, hey, 188 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: if we don't make any mistakes, uh, we're going to 189 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: win this game, because you know, the other guys are 190 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: the ones who are making the mistakes and the game 191 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: just the game unfolded that way. You have to make 192 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,719 Speaker 1: when you come into a game like this against a 193 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: team that's been playing as well as the Lions, you 194 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: have to make that team make some great plays to 195 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: beat you. And uh and and the Packers didn't do that. 196 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: The Packers had to summon their best game of the 197 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: season to date in order to beat the best team 198 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: that they were playing to date, and quite frankly, they 199 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: didn't come close. And that's something they have to think 200 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: about now for two weeks over the bye. Maybe it's 201 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: a good thing. Maybe this one, you know, Matt Lafleuir 202 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: talked about, you know, a loss like this, as you know, 203 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: you sit and stew about it, and it's gonna stick 204 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: with you longer because of the bye week. Maybe that'll 205 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: be a good thing for this even the long run. 206 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: We'll see, you know, there's already discussion from lafleur about 207 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: maybe changing some things up in practice because the drop 208 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 1: passes and the pre snap penalties and stuff like that 209 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: is it's something that's it's been an ongoing thing. Yeah, 210 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: it goes away for maybe a game or game and 211 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: a half, but it's cropping up in every single game 212 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: that the Packers play. So it's got to it's got 213 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: to get corrected or at least get limited. Nobody's gonna 214 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: play perfect football, right, but it has to get limited 215 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: if you're going to beat these teams like the Lions 216 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: and the Vikings and the forty nine ers that are 217 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: on your second half schedule when you come back from 218 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: the buy, if you're gonna beat those teams, you've got 219 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: to play cleaner football. And that's what the Packers have 220 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: to aim. 221 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be the challenge for them, and also 222 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: just owning these elements. I mean, this was a game 223 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 2: that you know, unfortunately it was rainy, it was cold. 224 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: Who is the indoor team in this game? I mean, yeah, 225 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: they turned the Lions to turn that on its head. 226 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Green Bay from their standpoint, this is where 227 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 2: it's going to be a challenge for them because as 228 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 2: I was saying, and I've written about it and we're 229 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: talking with guys about in the locker room afterwards. I mean, 230 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 2: the weather's only going to get worse, and there's gonna 231 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: be challenges with holding onto the football, snapping the football, 232 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: catching the football, running with the football, keeping your balance, 233 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: keeping your feet, and green Bay needs to be able 234 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: to handle all that. And then also the other aspect 235 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: of this that I'm just very interested to see when 236 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 2: we come out of the bye week is exactly where 237 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 2: Jordan Love is at. Because you know, we're nine weeks 238 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 2: into this, we still have not seen the best version 239 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: of Jordan Love. And if we can finally start to 240 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: see the penalties get correct, if you see Love, you know, 241 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: looking more like he did during the second half of 242 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: last season, and guys catching passes and lifting each other up, 243 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: I still think the sky's the limit for this team 244 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: compared to where they were at last year at this time, 245 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 2: when Rasul Douglas gets traded and you're not sure which 246 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 2: direction this whole thing is going to go the second 247 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: half the season and the Packers just catch absolute fire. 248 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 2: Because the one difference between green Bay the way I 249 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: look at it and where Detroit is at is it's 250 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: almost like green Bay is a year behind Detroit in 251 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: terms of just how they've built their football team. Detroit 252 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: is on this third fourth year. Now if this reclamation 253 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: with Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes and now you've got 254 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: guys that have come up together, have lost together, have 255 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 2: started to win together, made an NFC Championship game together, 256 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 2: and now feel like, hey, we're trying to make that 257 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,599 Speaker 2: last step. We're trying to make this thing, you know, 258 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 2: be it at the top level here, whereas green Bay 259 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: had to go through their own process here with the 260 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: transition to Jordan Love and going very young two straight seasons. 261 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: Kind of fighting those battles and learning from that adversity, 262 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 2: that's the challenge. Now, can green Bay close that gap? 263 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: You cannot worry about the Detroit Lions again. For another, 264 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: you have to worry about the Chicago Bears in front 265 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 2: of you. But they saw it was right in front 266 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: of him, it was on their home turf. Exactly what 267 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 2: the standard right now is in this conference. 268 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: I think that's an excellent, excellent analysis of the two 269 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: teams and where they are, and I like the way 270 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: you put that. I want to say this about Jordan 271 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: Love because there's obviously a lot of discussion out there. 272 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur has been taking the questions. Jordan himself's been 273 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: taking the questions about the interceptions. There's ten of them now. 274 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: Jordan Love has played six and a half games and 275 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: he's thrown ten interceptions. He leads the league in that category. 276 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: Everybody knows he needs to protect the ball better. You know. 277 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: It's finding that balance between the playmaking and protecting all 278 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And there's plenty of truth in 279 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: all that. This is what I want to say about 280 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: Jordan Love. I'm hoping that after the bye week and 281 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: for the rest of the season, that Jordan Love gets 282 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: to focus on his game and less on his health. Yep, 283 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: because he dealt with the knee injury right at the 284 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: end of Week one. He missed. This is two games. 285 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: There was a process to come back and to be 286 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: able to play with the knee injury for a week 287 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: or two before he really started feeling and looking like 288 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: his old self again. And then all of a sudden 289 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, the groin injury hits, and so then you 290 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: come into the following week. I meant, Matt Lafleur told 291 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: everyone from the podium after the game on Sunday. Jordan 292 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: Love didn't take any eleven on eleven snaps Wednesday or 293 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: Thursday of last week. They were obviously focused on his 294 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: health to get him available and ready to play, and 295 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: I understand why they were why they were focused on that. 296 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: My point is, from Jordan Love's perspective and everybody talking 297 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: about his statistics and where things are at, he has 298 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: spent the better part of these nine games concerned about 299 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: his health and trying to just get his body ready 300 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: to be able to play football. If he can get 301 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: healthy and he can practice, take all the reps every 302 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: week and not have all the extra time I'm in 303 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: the training room and everything, and he can focus on 304 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: his game, I have every confidence in the world that 305 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: we can see the Jordan Love that we saw in 306 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: the second half of last year, and I think in 307 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: some respects that goes for the team in general. You 308 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: and I see it every week West the number of 309 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: guys who are on the injury report, and it's not 310 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: just it's not just the fact that yet JayR Alexander 311 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: has missed games this season and that's been tough. The 312 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: Packers have missed some key guys for some key games 313 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: throughout the course of this season so far. But when 314 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: you look at that list every week and so and 315 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: so is missing this practice or missing that practice or 316 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: limited practice reps, not being a full participant in practice, 317 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff is going to add up over 318 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: time in terms of your sharpness, in terms of being 319 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: able to reach your peak level. And I think this 320 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: game against Detroit was an example of the Packers needing 321 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: to reach their peak level against a team like this, 322 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: and they simply weren't able to do it. And I 323 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: think the overall health of the team and all limited 324 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: practice and the missed practice and whether it's Jordan Love 325 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: and other guys and everything else, my point is there's 326 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: a cumulative effect to that. And I think we saw 327 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: we saw the cumulative result in that performance when the 328 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: Packers couldn't summon their best against the best team that 329 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: they were playing. I think that's I think it's a 330 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: big it's it's a big picture look at things in 331 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: terms of Okay, now, where do you go from prior? 332 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: And I think it starts with using this bye week 333 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: to get healthy. Yes, maybe Matt Lafleur changes some things 334 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: with regard to practice and whatnot, but this is like, 335 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: this is a chance to take a deep breath and 336 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: reset and at the end of the day. Last year, 337 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: at this time of year three and six, this year, 338 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: you're six and three. Get healthy, get everybody practicing. This 339 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: is still a young team that needs to practice and 340 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: play together to reach its peak. So let's see if 341 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: they can do that over the last two months of 342 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: the regular season. 343 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 2: It was nice to finally see that by fall in 344 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 2: the middle of the season for Green Bay because for 345 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 2: so long two years it was in December. Last year, 346 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 2: it was early. I think it was the earliest last 347 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 2: year if I remember correctly. This year finally falls in 348 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 2: week ten and you can kind of catch your breath here. 349 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 2: And obviously you will have to go eight games there 350 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 2: to make a playoff push. There's gonna be a lot 351 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: of football to be played there in the second half 352 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 2: of the season still, but I just feel like seeing 353 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 2: the names. Yeah, you're right about the injur report, the 354 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: length of it. A lot of teams deal with lengthy 355 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 2: injury reports though, and you but when you see Jordan 356 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,719 Speaker 2: Love of jyr Alexander, Evan Williams, and Evan Williams doing 357 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 2: what he's doing right now, you know how he's looked 358 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 2: the first half of the season. You know, Josh Myers 359 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 2: is not able to play in this game because of 360 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 2: a wrist injury, so and Elton has to move to center. 361 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Elton Jenkins has not actually practiced a full 362 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: week for several weeks now because of things that's that 363 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: he's dealing with. And I understand you want your players 364 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: to be in the best physical condition you know possible 365 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 1: to be able to play because this game is so 366 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: demanding and having your body right and being healthy to 367 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: be able to play the game is important. But there 368 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: is accumulative effect to missing practice, and not only for 369 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: that individual, but for the group. 370 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 2: As a whole. One hundred percent. 371 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk about I'll take care of 372 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: sponsor business here and then I want to talk a 373 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: little bit about where things are in the NFC. 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Certainly a 383 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: lot of football left to be played and nothing's been 384 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: decided yet. But when you look at things from as 385 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: far as how the schedule is laid out and who 386 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: has done what, the Detroit Lions have won games at 387 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: Minnesota and at Green Bay. So the rematch is that 388 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: both of those teams will get against the Lions will 389 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: both be at Ford Field. I don't like to jump 390 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: to too many conclusions, but I'm gonna say this right now. 391 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: If the Vikings and the Packers, I think the Vikings 392 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: and the Packers both have to go into Ford Field 393 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: and win for the Lions to not win the division. Yeah, 394 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: I think I I you know, I think it's going 395 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: to I think it's going to come down to that now. 396 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: I mean, anything can change from an injury perspective, this 397 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: and that, you know whatever. But but my point is 398 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: the Lions are absolutely in the catbird seat in the 399 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: NFC North right now with winning those two division road games, 400 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: and the Packers are in a tough spot having lost 401 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: two division home games to the Vikings in line. 402 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 2: Did you have you looked at a Lions schedule at 403 00:19:58,720 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 2: all yet? 404 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: I glanced at it. Yeah. 405 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 2: So they finish out the AFC South on three consecutive weeks, now. 406 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, they Yeah, they have three straight. They have three 407 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 1: straight AFC South games and then probably gonna get They're 408 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: probably gonna get Houston without Digs or Collins at one receiver, right, 409 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: so they're gonna they're you know, the Packers caught a 410 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: break without Nico Collins being in that game for Houston. 411 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: The Lions are now going to play them where C. J. 412 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: Stroud doesn't have either of his two best receiver. 413 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 2: And the fact that then they have to still face 414 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 2: Chicago twice. Uh, obviously Green Bay again, Buffalo, San Francisco, 415 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: and then they close against Minnesota. It's pretty interesting schedule 416 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: how it lined up for Detroit considering they were Buffalo 417 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 2: and San Francisco. 418 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: Will be no picnic for sure, Lions by any stretch. 419 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: But the Packers also have to play San Francisco and 420 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,719 Speaker 1: and I think the forty nine ers they you know, 421 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: they might be a team that's gonna that's gonna start 422 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: to hit their stride here as they potentially get healthy. 423 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the tough thing is now where you look 424 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 2: at it and how it sits is yeah, the NFC. 425 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: I said this last week when you and I were 426 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 2: going through some of our analysis. Yes, certainly you want 427 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: to win the division, and you got to do that, 428 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 2: but when you're looking at tiebreakers and potential positioning for 429 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 2: a playoff run like NFC wins are so critical. Division 430 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 2: is critical because you want to win the division, you 431 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 2: want to make a run potentially at a number one 432 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 2: seed in a bye, but you have to win those 433 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 2: conference games. The Packers got into the playoffs last year 434 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 2: because of commonality and conference wins and things of that nature. 435 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 2: So it's just so pivotal to be able to pick 436 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: those off, and certainly they'll have their opportunity to do 437 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 2: that against Chicago. The frustrating thing for me, though, watching 438 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 2: how this unfolded with Minnesota in particular, was Indianapolis had 439 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: several opportunities to win that game. They went with what 440 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,479 Speaker 2: I still think was a pretty rash decision to go 441 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 2: with Joe Flacco, not because they're losing, only because I 442 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 2: think it's pretty obvious that that Anthony Richardson is the 443 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 2: future of that team. I don't think by any means 444 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: this is that bryce know, young situation where it's wavering 445 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 2: confidence and a young player. I just I don't really 446 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 2: understand the analysis because so much times, so many times 447 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 2: teams will make a move and they'll go the veteran 448 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 2: because it feels good and they won a game or 449 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 2: two and they feel like they have momentum, and then 450 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 2: you get a couple weeks down the road and then 451 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 2: you have a performance like Flacco did against Minnesota, and 452 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 2: now you're kind of back to wondering where you're at 453 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: with this thing. And again that division is up for 454 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 2: anybody's grabs right now. But still I mean Green Bay 455 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 2: as it's worked cut out for it and just seeing 456 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 2: all the rest of these things align. Chicago, we talked 457 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 2: about the you know, kind of the hangover after the hail. 458 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,479 Speaker 2: Mary did not play well against Washington, struggled to do 459 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,719 Speaker 2: anything in terms of, you know, threatening the end zone, 460 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 2: and now they're sitting at four and four after all 461 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 2: that hype early on. So you just got to you 462 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 2: gotta ride those waves, man. You have to find wins 463 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:37,479 Speaker 2: when you can get them. 464 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. We had talked last week, How would 465 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: the Bears respond to the to the Hail Mary loss 466 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 1: when they were on the verge of beating the leaders 467 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: in the NFC East in Washington, and then that gets 468 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: away on the Hail Mary. Then they go out west 469 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: to Arizona and you know, single digit points, and and 470 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: you know Kyler Murray and that Cardinals offense put up 471 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: twenty eight on them. And yeah, as you said, the 472 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: Bears are four and for and the Vikings, yeah they 473 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: won a game. They're six and two, but they won 474 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: a game with their quarterback turning the ball over three times. 475 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: There are a lot of questions in Minnesota as to 476 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: just where they are because, quite frankly, the quarterback changed 477 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: to Flacco, and then what Minnesota's defense was able to 478 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: do to frustrate Flacco and to frustrate that Colts offense. 479 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: Minnesota's defense really won that game for them on Sunday night. 480 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 2: If you'd have told me that Darnold is going to 481 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 2: turn over the ball three times, Aaron Jones is gonna 482 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 2: be held to three yards per carry and They're still 483 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 2: going to find a way to win that game, I 484 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: would have been surprised, just based on what the recipe 485 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 2: has been this year for them trying to eat those out. Yeah, 486 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: but they did it. And at the end of the day, 487 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 2: that's all that matters, is what's on the scoreboard. And now, 488 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 2: you know, seeing where Minnesota goes with this thing is 489 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 2: going to be very interesting as well, because they're a 490 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 2: team that's still making moves. They still are trying to 491 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 2: potentially make a run this season despite all the setbacks 492 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 2: that they've had, and yeah, Green Bay will see them 493 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 2: again of course at the end of the season. 494 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: Well, big picture in the the NFC, if I counted 495 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: it right, I believe there are ten ten of the 496 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: sixteen teams in the NFC are at five hundred or above. Correct, 497 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: And it was actually eleven until the Buccaneers lost in 498 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: overtime on Monday night to the undefeated these still undefeated 499 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. Ten of sixteen teams at five hundred 500 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: or above. And as as you know, there are only 501 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,239 Speaker 1: there are only seven playoff spots, So these last two 502 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: months of the regular season, there's going to be a 503 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of jockeying for position. And you know, 504 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: the conference as a whole, I think is so strong 505 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: that you don't I don't think you look at anybody's 506 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: schedule and you say, oh, yeah, you know, pencil pencil 507 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: rights guys in for eleven or twelve wins. It just 508 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: doesn't it. It doesn't feel that way. It does feel 509 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: in some ways though, that that eleven wins maybe is 510 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 1: the target to feel to feel safe with a playoff spot. 511 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: There could be a there could be a ten win 512 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: team or two in the NFC that maybe doesn't get 513 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: in depending on how this fall. 514 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and where teams are at. There's a clear line 515 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 2: of demarcation right now where Green Bay is technically the 516 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 2: seventh seed at six and three, and then Chicago's the 517 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 2: eight seed at four and four. Where those teams that 518 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 2: are sitting at five hundred, the three of them Chicago, 519 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 2: La Rams in the San Francisco. You know they're gonna 520 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 2: have to pick up some wins there to threaten that again. 521 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 2: So Green Bay does has built up a little bit 522 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 2: of a base and a little bit of a bubble 523 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 2: there in front of that group. But again, they're playing Chicago, 524 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 2: They're going to play San Francisco. Yeah, you're gonna have 525 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 2: to fend those challenges off. It's interesting because I thought 526 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: what you opened with was a good point when you 527 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 2: look at where Detroit stands in this conference, and I 528 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 2: don't know, man, like I have total respect for Washington. 529 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 2: I love what, you know, everything Daniels has done this year, 530 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 2: but they're sort of the upstart. Yeah, Atlanta is a 531 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 2: team that has not had a lot of success recently. 532 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 2: There they stand. It's just it's these teams that you're 533 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 2: you're unfamiliar with being at the top of the conference, 534 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 2: and it just it creates a lot of usion in 535 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 2: terms of Okay, who's going to last and who's going 536 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 2: to fade? You noted what you're getting in Detroit every 537 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,239 Speaker 2: single week, but seeing how teams like Washington, Atlanta, if 538 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 2: Arizona is a much different team than the one that 539 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 2: the Packers face, that it's it's gonna be an interesting 540 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 2: second half for sure. 541 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun to take a look at the big 542 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: picture when you know you're on the bye week and 543 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 1: and you know we'll get a weekend here to just 544 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: see how results shake out and what the records look like. 545 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: You know, come next week when the Packers are preparing 546 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: to play the Chicago Bears, and we will turn our 547 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: attention more from the big picture to the Chicago Bears 548 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: next week. Just a quick programming note. Because this is 549 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: the bye week, this will be our only show this week. 550 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: We won't have a second show this week, but then 551 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: we'll be back with our usual two shows next week 552 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: leading into the the road trip to Chicago. What you 553 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: got planned? 554 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: Not too much, man. I do want to, you know, 555 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 2: get some stuff done around the house. Like I'm not 556 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 2: going any big trips. I texted my buddy Dave to 557 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 2: see if he be down in Milwaukee. He's hunting this 558 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 2: week out on the western side of the state. So 559 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 2: I will not be doing that bow hunter. Yeah, oh okay, yeah, 560 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 2: I was gonna see he married a wonderful season yet 561 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 2: but he married a wonderful woman, Kelsey, whom whose family 562 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 2: has you know, land on the western side of the state. 563 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 2: So he goes and does that. I've never shot a bow. 564 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 2: I have no desire to shoot a bow, but that's 565 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 2: something that he's big into. But I'll probably be just 566 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 2: hanging out, maybe finish watching Peaky Blinders. I'm not the 567 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: Netflix guy like you are, but I've been trying to 568 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 2: get through Peaky Blinders and find with little windows to 569 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 2: watch that. I'm into season three right now. But yeah, otherwise, 570 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 2: rest up and recover and get ready for next week. 571 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 2: It's gonna be a fun one. 572 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: Definitely some work to do around the house. I'm gonna 573 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: hit be making the trip I am making. It's not 574 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: all that far, but it's just back home my old 575 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: high school. I'm actually speaking at a career your day. Well, yeah, 576 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: to talk to a bunch of kids. 577 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 2: Roll out the Platfeld carpet. 578 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: I'll let them. I'll let them pepper me with the 579 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: questions about the packers and working here and all that 580 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So it's been a long time since 581 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: I've set foot in my old high school. Really you that, Yeah, 582 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: I can't even two weeks ago. I'm sure during my 583 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: college years when I was back home in the summers 584 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: and whatnot, like I you know, I would stop in there, 585 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: you know, go catch a basketball game or something like that. 586 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: I don't think since, you know, since my college years, 587 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: that I've actually set foot in my old high school. 588 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 2: So, mister Spofford, mister Stafford, what. 589 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: I definitely I will definitely be telling them to call 590 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: me Mike, not. 591 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 2: Mister Spofford, but dude like that. Please, Michael, You're. 592 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: One of the only people in this world as all out. 593 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: Oh me, Michael. 594 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 2: Actually, you know what else is coming up? The twenty 595 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 2: twenty five NFL Draft. It is brought to you by 596 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 2: the green Bay Packers. 597 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: The countdown to the twenty twenty five NFL Draft has begun. 598 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: Green Bay is hosting this year and you won't want 599 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: to miss it. Mark your calendars for April twenty four 600 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: through April twenty six of twenty twenty five, and visit 601 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: green Bay dot com slash Draft twenty five for more information. 602 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: With that, we'll call it a wrap on this edition 603 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: of Packers Unscripted, and be sure to follow all of 604 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: our coverage of the team on Packers dot com and 605 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: we will be back next week. Thank you for tuning, 606 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: everybody to see you next time.